Its not canon
#lore-discussion
finite urchin
peak escarp
in the game, it heals his HP
fathom tartan
Wait so does hog have cancer
finite urchin
No?
pliant sparrow
He has radiation sickness/poisoning
finite urchin
It’s just to treat radiation
peak escarp
It’s not canon, in the real lore it doesnt do shit
hang on
finite urchin
It’s not for cancer
fathom tartan
Yall know cancer can be caused by radiation right?
finite urchin
Plus the reason he needs them is bc australia is radiated by omniums
But
Ok
Radiation causes cancer
But
pliant sparrow
Radiation poisoning and cancer are different things
finite urchin
Roadhog doesnt have cancer
sweet jetty
now correct me if im wrong
pliant sparrow
They have different treatments
finite urchin
Regardless
prime zephyr
Yeah but radiation causes cells to mutate
pliant sparrow
Yes
prime zephyr
C’mon guys this is like middle school stuff
pliant sparrow
What's your point
sweet jetty
But where exactly does hog come from
finite urchin
C’mon guys this is like middle school stuff
Ok? Well roadhog still doesnt have cancer?
Regardless?
peak escarp
@finite urchin
pliant sparrow
But where exactly does hog come from
I assume New Zealand, but I don't think it is confirmed
sweet jetty
So why was he in Australia
peak escarp
he's an Australian citizen, but it's hinted at that he has Maori heritage
worthy rose
hog is australian
pliant sparrow
Because people travel?
finite urchin
<@!508668111273328670>
Uhh yea?
prime zephyr
Hog is kiwi
pliant sparrow
We don't know much about him pre radiation
worthy rose
wiki says he's an australian citizen so i dunno
finite urchin
I only meant that hogdrogen doesnt heal him
pliant sparrow
Being a citizen isn't the same as heritage/origin
finite urchin
Roadhog has maori skins
daring talon
how do you pronounce zenyetta
finite urchin
Pronounce it like an american would
It’s literally what it sounds like
Zen-yah-ta
pliant sparrow
Zenfreedomta
finite urchin
Sure
No one said that couldnt happen
Btw @peak escarp how did u get those roles?
finite urchin
Ok
limpid agate
@daring talon If you don't know, he says it in game.
worthy rose
I wonder if we get more of the shimada brothers story later on
I like it
worthy rose
I think Jeff said something about giving us that, or at least about the shimada link he mentioned
worthy rose
On the poster, is doomfist the Scourge or Successor?
peak escarp
he's the Successor
finite urchin
the scourge is his mentor, akinjide adeyemi, who he killed and took the gauntlet from
worthy rose
Okay thank you
limpid agate
Oh, speaking of Shimadas
Where's my list...
My predicted list of characters absent from Overwatch 2's story are:
Ana, Ashe, Junkrat, McCree, Pharah^, Roadhog, Sigma, Soldier 76, Hammond, Zarya
Jump
^ I only think Pharah will appear if Helix is made to be the third enemy faction. It will give her a choice between OW and Helix
Oh okay good, Hanzo wasn't there to begin with
I think Kanezaka makes it certain he will appear.
silver oriole
Why would they be absent? (Sorry, I'm a little late to the discussion)
finite urchin
yeah why
i mean, if you think about it, every character is very essential to the plot
even roadhog and junkrat
because they found a treasure so valuable that people who couldnt care less about money, hanzo and reaper, were interested in it
hammond tho, probably not
and i think he's the only one
valid terrace
They aren't important to the Null Sector plot as far as we know
valid terrace
They've said that not every character will be present in the first arc
cosmic crest
What?
finite urchin
null sector will be primarily centered around PvE
silver oriole
What about soldier and zarya? We can assume they would see what Null Sector is doing and retaliate.
silver oriole
Multiplayer will be like it is now, fun stuff
valid terrace
Yeah
cosmic crest
The whole game is multiplayer.
finite urchin
what i mean is, there probably wont be that many null sector heroes
cosmic crest
PvP has little to no story relevance.
finite urchin
but null sector will be primarily for the PvE missions
silver oriole
SMH, they needed a PvE right when the game launched, the lore has so many holes and they're making it so confusing!
valid terrace
It's not really holes, as much as it's just not information they advertise
finite urchin
i thought it looked pretty similar to bastion's core
valid terrace
We know most of the important stuff already
silver oriole
i thought it looked pretty similar to bastion's core
You got a pic? I wanna see this.
silver oriole
We know most of the important stuff already
But it's still confusing. It's not, how do I say, fleshed out?
limpid agate
Why would they be absent? (Sorry, I'm a little late to the discussion)
Not everyone is going to be in the story.
The devs told us this straight, using Junkrat as an example of someone who is uninterested in the plot.
finite urchin
how do i post a picture??
limpid agate
You need a role.
finite urchin
can i have one
finite urchin
i mean, im not here to troll
cosmic crest
i thought it looked pretty similar to bastion's core
It's only similar in that it's a cube.
finite urchin
and i think ive proven that
but it's cool
we havent seen another glowy cube thing before
beside bastion
sooooo
silver oriole
The way I see bastion's core is it's a cooling source. In the game, (go to hero gallery->Bastion->sentry config) It appears to give off like, heat. Much how breathing in cold air looks. And it makes sense, because it's only visible when he's a turret, which would generate the most heat because of the high fire rate.
But it could be a power source for one of Talon's plans.
limpid agate
I think the source book says what it is
finite urchin
yeah, maybe a power source for a god program?
silver oriole
Source book?
limpid agate
No, it's unrelated to Anubis
silver oriole
What's a source book?
limpid agate
It's a concept art book that came out when the game launched
silver oriole
Oh, I saw that in Barnes & Noble the other day
limpid agate
I don't have the book on me right now
finite urchin
ok
limpid agate
Okay its not in the source book.
silver oriole
Alright
terse oar
I’ve always seen it as some sort of energy source
silver oriole
So, I have a question about how Reaper reloads(doesn't everyone though?) Anyway, I understand in the PSST spray, they all hang inside his coat, but there is no way that man uses a total of just six shotguns(the PSST spray shows him holding his coat open and you can see three Hellfire Shotguns hanging) Does he have a pocket dimension similar to Cloak? It kinda makes since, when you realize he has shadowstep and wraith form. They could both work by using his pocket dimension to travel. In wraith form, he's partially iside it, and in shadowstep he could pop in and then pop out in a different location. Even his ultimate makes sense becaue that explains why he can't just run around, being a beyblade 24/7. Going into his pocket dimension could make him (literally) lose his grip on reality.
TL;DR I ask a question, then once I start thinking about it, I answer it myself
winged dragon
Also I assume death blossoming 24/7 might be quite dizzy
silver oriole
Reaper could man up if that was the case.
finite urchin
well, game isnt canon
winged dragon
Except archives stuff
winged dragon
I wish Overwatch would make another short. The last one was like a year ago :((
terse oar
Wraith and Shadow Step are more or less the same in the lore, it’s just him turning to gas
limpid agate
I wish Overwatch would make another short. The last one was like a year ago :((
Wait for Blizzconline
winged dragon
Wait for Blizzconline
Yo when👀
limpid agate
February
winged dragon
That’s like when ow2 comes out, isn’t it?
limpid agate
No
winged dragon
😦
winged dragon
I wish they had more short cinematics to hype it up tho
terse oar
I think a beta is likely
terse oar
I wish they had more short cinematics to hype it up tho
They did that around the time OW was releasing, so maybe they’ll do it again 
Personally I’d love to see “What You Left Behind” as a cinematic
winged dragon
What is that?
winged dragon
I think 2015
terse oar
What is that?
“What You Left Behind” is Baptiste’s short story. It’s pretty good imo
winged dragon
IMO I think zenyatta desperately needs one. We literally know nothing about that guy
terse oar
when the beta of ow 1 came?
No, around the global release. I think they released 3 cinematics (Hero, Dragons, The Last Bastion)?
winged dragon
The museum one, too
terse oar
One for Zenyatta would be nice, but I don’t think it’d really captivate as big of an audience since his abilities aren’t even canon
The museum one was for the initial announcement of OW
worthy rose
Read the new symm comic to learn about zen
terse oar
The ones I listed were for it’s global release (May 2016)
terse oar
Read the new symm comic to learn about zen
^^^
winged dragon
She has a comic?
arctic loom
The Overwatch beta was the beta test phase of Overwatch, beginning on October 27, 2015.
cosmic crest
Read the new symm comic to learn about zen
Stone by stone is a short story, not a comic.
cosmic crest
They are the same.
finite urchin
Guess im late lmao
terse oar
The Overwatch beta was the beta test phase of Overwatch, beginning on October 27...
That was about 7 months between the beta release and the official release. Assuming OW2 comes in November with BlizzCon2021, then releasing a beta in February would give a bit more of the same time frame
peak escarp
I don't think OW2 will need as long of a beta period as OW had
they could skip straight to a public beta/PTR launch
a burst of new lore right before launch would be nice though
drifting haven
can someone plz help me i have the "unable to log you in" problem?
limpid agate
can someone plz help me i have the "unable to log you in" problem?
This is lore discussion, so no.
Try asking in #overwatch , #general-discussion , or using Google/Overwatch Forums.
limpid agate
!!shitposting @fringe solar
twilit nacelleBOT
@fringe solar Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid agate
This is lore discussion
Not meme skin suggestion.
Overwatch takes place in the ~2070s also.
fringe solar
<@!258002823080443905> Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
BACKTACLKING will result in a loss of penis priviledges
also its not shitpost
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
finite urchin
Lol pepega @fringe solar
trim haven
LMAOOOOOOO
limpid agate
@trim haven @finite urchin This channel is for Lore Discussion only
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
finite urchin
@limpid agate i think you should at least let us make comments on what’s currently happening
limpid agate
Mockingly saying pepega and pinging a muted user isn't appropriate behaviour, whether or not its offtopic.
limpid agate
I don't see why that would be relevant to lore discussion
Moving swiftly onwards means, moving swiftly onwards.
So move on.
peak escarp
for anyone who was waiting for an audiobook version of The Hero of Numbani, there is one now
proud pike
sad Russian noises
I'm waiting for Russian translation, they said it will be on 28-29 Dec
But still nope....
finite urchin
Tomorrow is another day
fathom tartan
for anyone who was waiting for an audiobook version of The Hero of Numbani, ther...
That was me
peak escarp
it's on Audible or where ever you get audiobooks
it's read by Cherrelle Skeete (Orisa)
fathom tartan
Nice
fathom tartan
I want a small ow show not for anything really big at all just keeping up with smaller characters like Emily or bastion's bird
Or maximillon making deals and doing accounting
Maybe see an interworkins of junkertown by following the queen and seeing a mech fight
thick swallow
👏 where 👏 is 👏 moira's 👏 short 👏 story 👏
limpid agate
Emily is less than unimportant
She is Tracer's love interest
That is the end of her value as a character.
proud pike
Means... she was just added to show the orientation of the game's mascot?
limpid agate
Male or female, she is the game's mascot's love interest, who is otherwise an unimportant side character
But considering all the love interests who are unimportant have all been LGBT, it certainly does feel that way.
proud pike
somehow... not cool
limpid agate
Are you suggesting Emily is, in fact, important in some capacity?
proud pike
Nope
limpid agate
Then I don't see the problem.
proud pike
I'm a little afraid to write this, but it seems to me that LGBT relationships were only added because of outside pressure. The most interesting thing is that they were added to some of the most popular media characters. Jack is the Leader of OW. Tracer - Mascot.
I have nothing against it, but still it looks very much like an influence from the outside
limpid agate
If that were true, it would have been Genji or McCree.
proud pike
Why?
limpid agate
The most interesting thing is that they were added to some of the most popular media characters
Genji/McCree are popular media character
Soldier 76 isn't as much
proud pike
I was referring to the fact that Jack is the leader, etc.
Like media character, but in another way
Even if you think about it, there is no white, heterosexual man without any disabilities among the heroes in OW.
Okay, I don't think that's a good topic.
Sry about that
limpid agate
Reinhardt, potentially.
proud pike
left eye
limpid agate
Ok.
proud pike
I thought about RH at first, but as far as I remember, he's tied to his radiation repellent, right?
proud pike
||My eng is bad af||
thick swallow
<@!222207076762386433>
i meant the video ❤️
bc they have one for her lore
but like yk how they have shorts for like mcree/ashe, mei, sombra, etc
we need one for moira
proud pike
we need one for moira
Oh, sry, nope. No Moira cinematic.
proud pike
especially with the lore she has
I don't want to sound boring, but I don't think she's 100% important to the main plot, so therefore, cinematics for her is already too much
thick swallow
tru true
talon is her, sombra, doomfist, reaper and widow right
like the main villains of the story?
proud pike
Talon is big terroristic organization
and the ones you named are just key personalities in it
Moira, Doomfist, Reaper, Maximilien, and Sanjay are members of Council of Leaders of Talon
Widow and Sombra are just members
And Sigma too
proud pike
talon is her, sombra, doomfist, reaper and widow right
^
terse oar
Sadly, I don’t see many of the supports capable of having a cinematic
Zenyatta is immediately excluded since his abilities aren’t even canon, and others like Mercy or Moira I feel wouldn’t be able to captivate an audience like Genji and McCree
thick swallow
ahh yea
sigma is too
i thought zenyatta is the guy that widow shot in her cinematic LOL
then i realized that wasnt the case
proud pike
XD
proud pike
Sadly, I don’t see many of the supports capable of having a cinematic
Lets be honest supports are the most weird guys here
Like...
Lucio's heal doesn't exist
Brig's heal too
Moira's.... I'm not sure, but as far as I remember - nope
Zeny? - nope
Only Ana, Baptiste and Mercy actually can heal
lament prawn
Zenyatta is immediately excluded since his abilities aren’t even canon, and othe...
dps being "more fun and action packed" doesnt translate to the lore at all really, they could give someone like ana just as action packed of a story as tracer. and it's not like "action" is a necessary checkbox for a short. look at rise and shine, barely any action in it at all but told a great story regardless
thick swallow
what does dps even stand for
drifting arch
what does dps even stand for
damage per second
it's the general term for dps heroes
doesn't make much sense but you know, that's how gaming works
finite urchin
i just read the overwatch novel
||i gotta say it was dissapointing af||
||they turned doomfist from not even flinching at bullets to being knocked meters away by a speaker||
||he should be an invincible force||
||he's the OG||
||im literally in tears because they made my boy so weak||
worthy rose
Wow that really is dumb af...
finite urchin
yeah ikr
finite urchin
what?!
i didnt want to spoil it dude!
what i wrote was supposed to be for after you've read it
worthy rose
Meh spoilers are fine
Its not that big of a deal to me unless Reaper is in the novel
sweet skiff
Moira's.... I'm not sure, but as far as I remember - nope
Moira heals for alot
Wait
iron plume
Did you actually read the novel or just skim it
because the event you're describing has taken the combined effort of Lucio and whole Efi's gang, and even then he wasn't "brought down"
peak escarp
||being knocked back isn't really an indicator of being weak, it's just physics||
last inlet
I still think Tracer's rounds aren't that strong, somehow
worthy rose
They are pretty strong.In the zero hour cinematic Tracer's rounds destroyed a robot that tanked regular bullets no problem
limpid agate
If you're basing it off her fight with Doomfisy
He appeared to have some kind of invisible shielding
cosmic crest
I guess personal shields can be considered cannon then.
Not too surprising, it's not an original idea.
Halo and Borderlands both have them.
silver oriole
I read the overwatch novel, my library had it. I liked it a lot, got some insight on Efi, a character we don't know much about!
tired pivot
The lore in my opinion has way more plotholes than it should have, as a game Overwatch excels but lore wise to me it kinda doesn’t
finite urchin
Doomfist, who tanked above average bullets, was hindered by some speaker and busted up or15
peak escarp
The lore in my opinion has way more plotholes than it should have, as a game Ove...
such as?
silver oriole
I mean that's how I feel about it sometimes. I feel like the entirity of the lore is a plothole
cosmic crest
I mean that's how I feel about it sometimes. I feel like the entirity of the lor...
That doesn't make sense.
peak escarp
I don't understand how the entire plot can be a plothole
plot holes are things that don't make sense, not things intentionally left vague or incomplete
silver oriole
Just ignore it
cosmic crest
I would agree to the notion that there are too many loose ends in the lore, but plot holes? No.
peak escarp
I can't just ignore it - I'm tired of people saying Overwatch is full of plot holes when it's really just people who can't follow the lore
silver oriole
i think so
proud pike
I'm not sure, but Tracer's life story is plot hole a bit. She had almost no flight experience, but she was put to test a new development...
solid flume
“discussion”😏
peak escarp
she's a prodigy
solid flume
tracer is such a cutie
proud pike
She's too young for that.
peak escarp
prodigies get special treatment
proud pike
tracer is such a cutie
solid flume
shes a hottie✊
proud pike
OK, that was a stretch
solid flume
what was 👁👄👁
cosmic crest
Apparently you need to be as old as 16 to apply to the RAF so I don't think she was too young.
peak escarp
she could have had 2-3 years of flying experience by then
proud pike
Apparently you need to be as old as 16 to apply to the RAF so I don't think she ...
so she was a punk at the time, wasn't she? she only got on the bike at 16.
proud pike
And punks don't usually care much about their studies
cosmic crest
And punks don't usually care much about their studies
That sounds like an unbased assumption.
silver oriole
I've researched USAF requirements
tired pivot
such as?
The logic of Black holes, The robot society itself and null sector as some examples
proud pike
That sounds like an unbased assumption.
In her teens, Lena was something of a party animal; staying out all night, and attending rock concerts.
peak escarp
it's science fiction, so they can make up how black holes and robot society work
they don't have to strictly adhere to real world logic
proud pike
she doesn't look like a person who studies all day long, does she?
tired pivot
Doomfist, who tanked above average bullets, was hindered by some speaker and bus...
I will admit Doomfist is powerful but being fair the highest strength in Overwatch is large building level, which is pretty weak compared to post crises from DC and the 616 universe from marvel
proud pike
Also, as I recall, she joined the RAF at the age of 18.
tired pivot
it's science fiction, so they can make up how black holes and robot society work
Yeah but at the same time even science fiction films follow some logic in real life Perfect example the Martian movie, it’s basically becoming a reality
tired pivot
As well as Star Trek
peak escarp
And punks don't usually care much about their studies
what do studies have to do with it?
tired pivot
And even Star Wars
peak escarp
Star Wars isn't science fiction
cosmic crest
It's more fantasy with spaceships and lasers, but that's neither here nor there.
It's nothing like OW either way.
tired pivot
Okay, I'm confused a bit
Same literally Star Wars itself is science fiction and sifi mixed and even Star Wars follows real life logic
peak escarp
it's a space fantasy
proud pike
It's more fantasy with spaceships and lasers, but that's neither here nor there.
Meanwhile OW with time traveling, mutant gorilla, energetic weapons etc
tired pivot
It's more fantasy with spaceships and lasers, but that's neither here nor there.
In the comics and legends it’s basically a combination of every genre
pliant sparrow
Star wars is a mix of sci fi and fantasy
tired pivot
Yeah but in Legends it’s a whole different story
cosmic crest
A lot of tech in OW draw inspiration from real word science. Particle cannons, temporal mechanics, cybernetics, etc. That's what makes it sci-fi.
silver oriole
So, uh, what're we talkin' 'bout now?
tired pivot
Right but the thing is the way they describe the technology doesn’t add up
tired pivot
The lore in my opinion has way more plotholes than it should have, as a game Ove...
This
@silver oriole
silver oriole
Oh, ok
tired pivot
To my knowledge and what I learned Gravity doesn’t make black holes Dead suns do so really sigma would have to make a super giant star in order for him to create a black hole
pliant sparrow
People in britain can learn basics of flying at 15
tired pivot
Yeah
cosmic crest
To my knowledge and what I learned Gravity doesn’t make black holes Dead suns do...
That's not how that works at all.
pliant sparrow
Also gravity can make a black hole
pliant sparrow
But it has to be an immense gravitational force
silver oriole
Black holes are formed when matter is compressed together REAAAAALLLLLYYYYYY hard
Right?
pliant sparrow
Almost to an infinite point
silver oriole
Yeah
silver oriole
Like, levels of compression we shouldn't be reaching
pliant sparrow
Which realistically only normally happens following the death of yellow stars from what I remember
cosmic crest
Whatever the case, this is not a plot hole. This is more pseudo science.
tired pivot
Can I send pictures here
cosmic crest
Tracer's pulse pistols are probably not scientifically feasible but we aren't going to call those a plot hole.
cosmic crest
Can I send pictures here
No, only mods can.
silver oriole
Tracer's pulse pistols are probably not scientifically feasible but we aren't go...
How so? How does the lore say they work?
tired pivot
Alright but that link should tell you what they’re made of
Even Nasa’s website explains it too
peak escarp
it's soft science fiction, they don't need to explain everything
pliant sparrow
I thought regulars could send pics
tired pivot
So really Sigma wouldn’t even have created a black hole
peak escarp
things not matching reality isn't a plothole
tired pivot
it's soft science fiction, they don't need to explain everything
Yeah but as stated earlier even fiction has to have some logic
peak escarp
there is some logic
Overwatch abides by its own internal logic
that's why Hammond can't speak
pliant sparrow
I mean, a very large part of science is that we don't know most of it
What if sigma did indeed find a way to create black holes
tired pivot
things not matching reality isn't a plothole
No but it just doesn’t make sense especially the side affects he has after his black hole
pliant sparrow
We don't know for sure if it's impossible
tired pivot
Yeah but we do know what black holes can do
pliant sparrow
True
But was it confirmed that what sigma created was a genuine black hole
And not a 'pseudo black hole' or something along those lines
tired pivot
Overwatch abides by its own internal logic
But it at least has to be in par with some logic from reality
tired pivot
But was it confirmed that what sigma created was a genuine black hole
Yeah and scientifically it doesn’t add up and even then we’re mostly certain that a black hole will not give him mental instabilities
cosmic crest
It's probably not that simple.
peak escarp
slowing someone's heart doesn't make them a better sniper either
cosmic crest
It's more likely that the experience is what caused him mental damage.
tired pivot
it does in that universe
Granted in some moments it does but I don’t think the entirety of it does
tired pivot
It's more likely that the *experience* is what caused him mental damage.
So PTSD is that what you are saying?
cosmic crest
It's difficult to discern, his origin video is intentionally vague.
tired pivot
I would get that he has PTSD but if he really did he wouldn’t even study gravity anymore nor would he be fond of black holes
cosmic crest
That's not really what I meant.
tired pivot
But that’s basically what PTSD is
cosmic crest
I'm not a psychologist, but he doesn't seem to show signs of trauma. He just seems highly eccentric.
peak escarp
I don't think Sigma has PTSD
tired pivot
Same
peak escarp
the heroes that show symptoms closest to PTSD are Bastion and Baptiste
peak escarp
he doesn't make sense because he doesn't have PTSD?
not all traumatic events cause PTSD
cosmic crest
I'm not sure if Bastion reverting to a combat state when it heard what it thought to be gunfire could be considered PTSD, but since it is a conscious being, it's possible.
tired pivot
he doesn't make sense because he doesn't have PTSD?
No but the logic around him doesn’t add up
Even Midichlorians from Star Wars makes way more sense than Sigma’s logic
tired pivot
not all traumatic events cause PTSD
Yeah
tired pivot
Yeah and it isn’t just sigma it’s more characters and even Tracer is one of them
peak escarp
how so?
tired pivot
Like how her time travel doesn’t make sense as well some parts of her story, the rest is ok, also why do you seem on edge
peak escarp
what makes me seem on edge? I just like discussing the lore
asking more questions keeps the conversation going
her time travel has its own rules that it follows, so it has internal logic
and I don't see any problems with her story
tired pivot
Oh ok
silver oriole
How does teleportation, which the Vishkar Corporation(probably spelled wrong, sue me) can do so well, cause "quantum displacement" or whatever Tracer's condition is
tired pivot
Yeah but in movies like back to the future or doctor who that doesn’t work
peak escarp
chronal disassociation
cosmic crest
How does teleportation, which the Vishkar Corporation(probably spelled wrong, su...
I don't understand what you mean, Vishkar has nothing to do with Tracer's backstory.
peak escarp
because it wasn't really teleporting
the fighter jet appeared to teleport, just like how Tracer appears to teleport when she blinks
tired pivot
Marty Mcfly or Dr. Brown were only vanishing if the butter fly affect was getting to her not vanishing and teleporting randomly from accidentally time traveling
silver oriole
I don't understand what you mean, Vishkar has nothing to do with Tracer's backst...
Tracer's condition came from a mishap in teleportation experiments, but Vishkar can use teleporters(as evidenced by Sym's abilities)
cosmic crest
Probably not the same method.
silver oriole
Touche
peak escarp
think of the timeline as a groove on a record - Tracer's condition made her jump out of that groove, like a needle skipping
the chronal accelerator made her stay in the groove, but also allowed her to manually choose when to skip
silver oriole
like picking up the needle
peak escarp
yes
tired pivot
Dr. Brown was shot by lightning in the time Machine and nothing happened to him
peak escarp
or like fast forwarding or rewinding on a video
tired pivot
Same with Dr. who when the time machine is on fire
pliant sparrow
Why do the rules of other universes have a say in the rules of overwatch's
peak escarp
Doctor Who and Back to the Future have their own rules for time travel
Overwatch rules are different
tired pivot
Mainly because almost every time travel show or movie follows the same theories of reality so why can’t Overwatch
peak escarp
and it's not really time travel, more like timeline manipulation
pliant sparrow
Because overwatch isn't those shows/movies
peak escarp
she can't go back in time and change things that have happened in the world - she can reverse her own time and change things that happened to her
tired pivot
and it's not really time travel, more like timeline manipulation
That’s literally not how it works
Unless is dimension swapping that isn’t how it works
pliant sparrow
And I'm pretty sure different shows/movies handle time travel differently
peak escarp
when she recalled during the fight with Widowmaker, Widowmaker wasn't affected at all
she was still standing where she was after Tracer got hit by the venom mine
cosmic crest
It's literally the same as it appears in game.
She goes back, but the world around her stays the same.
tired pivot
Yeah but I’m not saying it should affect everyone and everything
peak escarp
universal time still progresses forward
so Tracer isn't time travelling
she is only reversing/fast forwarding her own time
everything around her continues to progress forward at the usual rate of 1sec/sec
if she recalls at 5:05 and goes back 5 minutes, she doesn't arrive in 5:00 - she arrives at 5:05 in the location she was in at 5:00
tired pivot
So you’re basically saying it’s not time travel but it’s time travel 🤣😂😂
pliant sparrow
So, she leaves an imprint and can willingly return to that imprint?
tired pivot
That’s not even how that works
peak escarp
how does it work then?
pliant sparrow
it doesn't because it's not possible
tired pivot
Because in reality all time travel really is is going through different points in time while also having the butterfly affect and that’s basically what tracer did except she somehow has side affects that aren’t existent to what is supposed to happen to someone that travels in time
If there is any
pliant sparrow
But she doesn't go back in time for the universe around her
peak escarp
pliant sparrow
The universe around her continues forward as she moves backwards
tired pivot
So she is a Dimension jumper?
peak escarp
if it's easier to think of it that way, then yes
pliant sparrow
She seems to exist on a different, level? I'm not sure what you would call it
tired pivot
That’s literally dimension jumping
And even then there aren’t any side affects of that
peak escarp
but she comes back to the same dimension
arctic loom
so doctor the rest of junkertown members and the queen are thieves like junkrat and roadhog?
peak escarp
so doctor the rest of junkertown members and the queen are thieves like junkrat ...
mostly
pliant sparrow
So, it's kind of like how star wars ships travel?
tired pivot
Because if she didn’t travel with the universe she would be stuck in a whirlpool for eternity
pliant sparrow
Only she can move back and forth within a set range
peak escarp
the Junkers are outlaws and raiders
cosmic crest
I don't even think going backwards in time is possible irl.
pliant sparrow
Because if she didn’t travel with the universe she would be stuck in a whirlpool...
It isn't
tired pivot
It isn’t
pliant sparrow
Ye I meant to respond to teacup lmao
Was gonna say that she basically was stuck in a 'whirlpool' until the accelerator anchored her
Idk how it anchors her
That is Winston smart not me smart
peak escarp
science fiction does take some liberties and requires you to ignore real-world physics sometimes
tired pivot
Yeah they can but as stated before even they follow some logic
tired pivot
How?
peak escarp
they're limited by the charge of her chronal accelerator - if it runs out of charge, she can't blink/recall
her blinks cover a set distance
there's probably a limit to how far back she can recall
tired pivot
Is there an example of that as a real life theory or formula
tired pivot
Then how is it following logic when there is no theory or formula for it?
peak escarp
logic just means it makes sense
there doesn't have to be a real-world theory or formula for something to have logic
tired pivot
Again just because it’s fiction doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t follow any type of logic
peak escarp
none of those links say that in order for a story to be logical, it has to be grounded in real-world theories and formulas
they all say that a story must have internal logic, which Overwatch does have
tired pivot
Yeah but it also shows that fiction doesn’t always have to be free of logic
peak escarp
Also, when discussing story logic, I don’t necessarily mean determining if the story is “realistic” or not. Contrary to popular belief, realism is not the measure of artistic excellence. It can be an aspect of it, especially as it relates to historical stories, but I want to make it clear that “story logic” is not synonymous with a story’s “realism,” (whatever that means).
tired pivot
Alright explain it
peak escarp
explain what
tired pivot
How logic is in Overwatch
peak escarp
because make sense
tired pivot
Also it’s ironic that you say that Fiction shouldn’t have logic while also saying that Overwatch is a fiction story and it has logic
peak escarp
they follow the rules set down in the universe
tired pivot
because make sense
Not really an argument
peak escarp
I didn't say fiction shouldn't have logic
I said sometimes you have to stop comparing it to the real world
tired pivot
Yeah but you are using it as an excuse to pass the fact that it doesn’t follow logic
peak escarp
but it does follow logic
limpid agate
What is this discussion about
peak escarp
discussing whether Overwatch's story has logic
I'm saying it does, because it conforms to the rules set down in the universe
like Tracer's blink/recall working consistently, or Hammond not being able to talk because he's a hamster and logically, he wouldn't be able to talk even if he is genetically enhanced
tired pivot
I’m saying it doesn’t since it really doesn’t follow any logic that it tries to display
peak escarp
what's an example of it not following logic?
peak escarp
fictional stories are allowed to make their own logic
tired pivot
Yeah but even some universes that are fiction and make their own logic also follow real logic
And I even set a few examples
tired pivot
🤦🏻♂️😂🤣🤣
Dude I’m not saying this as an insult but I think you need to take a break from discussions
peak escarp
there has not been any character in Overwatch that has come back from actually being dead
believed to be dead, sure
but not anyone who was confirmed, body in the ground, dead
cosmic crest
Well, except maybe Reaper but we don't know the specifics on that. Although I suppose it's possible he never clinically died.
tired pivot
Dude but even then other universes and even Overwatch follows more deep logic than that, but when they try making their own rules it doesn’t add up
cosmic crest
What part of it doesn't add up?
tired pivot
Stated before Time Travel, Black Holes, and others that also don’t make sense or aren’t explained well like reapers powers and genji’s armor
And those are just some
peak escarp
Genji's armor?
vale hamlet
but its fiction..
peak escarp
he's a cyborg
silver oriole
Genji is a cyborg lol
peak escarp
silver oriole
I zoomed in, it's just blurry
lament prawn
click open original
silver oriole
Maybe if I had a $200 moniter
silver oriole
click open original
Thanks
tired pivot
Ok you got with Genji but what about reapers powers?
vale hamlet
peak escarp
he's constantly decaying and regenerating due to a combination of his accelerated healing factor from the Soldier Enhancement Program's genetic enhancement, and whatever Moira did to him (which we don't know the full details of)
he can decay down to a cloud of cells (essentially looking like smoke) and then regenerate himself at will
tired pivot
Brb eating
peak escarp
Overwatch makes sense, it's just not realistic
swift mason
Not the best idea to try and explain realism in a game that has a giant genetically engineered gorilla and hamster from the moon
valid terrace
Or in any game that's meant to be fun
vale hamlet
Not the best idea to try and explain realism in a game that has a giant genetica...
LOL
maybe we should try to figure out how space jam works
might be easier..
cosmic crest
Even more realistic games have inconsistencies with reality. I've been playing Rainbow Six: Siege a lot recently and the newest character in that game is a cyborg lady that shoots laser gates from her arm.
terse oar
(I didn’t read the whole conversation) it could be worthy to note as well some things aren’t even canon, meaning the Devs acknowledge that it can’t be explained well
Example: Zenyatta’s Discord/Harmony Orbs
cosmic crest
There are very few examples of that though.
terse oar
Yes, mainly because we have little confirmation
clever silo
Zenyatta's Discord and Harmony orbs have a brief explanation in the art book
cerulean ice
it didnt explain shit
terse oar
Yes, they use “omnic energy”
terse oar
However, the book itself is very outdated
clever silo
Mmm, fair
terse oar
“Omnic energy” is also very vague, and we don’t know how that would apply to his abilities
limpid agate
Omnic Energy was never used for Harmony/Discord
It was used to describe his physical orbs
Which do exist
tired pivot
Not the best idea to try and explain realism in a game that has a giant genetica...
I mean how come logic goes for a trilogy that has a time traveling car, a universe where a man can make a bullet proof skin tight armor thats red and gold, a guy who dresses up as a bat and even a universe where a bounty hunter has to take care of a baby version of a jedi master
limpid agate
Those are some poor examples
DC and Star Wars are notoriously inconsistent
Marvel too
DC is the universe where Superman literally got a new super power every issue in the golden age.
And Star Wars is the one where they can't decide if Medichlorians exist or not.
tired pivot
Hmmm
You sure about that?
I mean even in Batman comic it does follow real logic
Sure they’re all fiction but the point I’m trying to make is that even fiction follows logic even when it creates logic of its own
Even Metal Gear follows real life logic
limpid agate
I have a Batman comic in my hand that does not "follow real logic"
valid terrace
DC comics 100% does not abide by real logic
You can't go faster than light
You can't physically have infinity and eternity and whatever else they've made
Like the book of infinite pages
But it makes sense in it's own universe
Or multiverse I guess
swift mason
In general, video games aren’t meant to abide by real world logic, since they act like an escape from the real world for a period of time
valid terrace
As long as something makes sense then that's all that matters
It doesn't have to be achievable or relatable to real life
It just needs to follow it's own rules and remain consistent
limpid agate
That was pretty much your whole point.
tired pivot
That was pretty much your whole point.
Yeah but thats like saying all movies are fictional and therefor should not follow anything realistic
limpid agate
That... Is not what I said at all
swift mason
Even those "true story" films add their own flare to the story that didn't necesarily happen in real life
tired pivot
Yeah but they are still sticking to the story that really happened
tired pivot
That... Is not what I said at all
I meant to quote Rynothorian
limpid agate
Again, Overwatch is not playing realism
swift mason
Point is, not all pieces of media, including video games like overwatch, doesn't always follow real life logic, it's meant to be an escape
I'm just lost at what point you're trying to make
limpid agate
No one cares how realistic Schindler's List is trying to be when you're trying to talk about E.T.
tired pivot
Again, Overwatch is not playing realism
I know but it sort of follows some aspects of real life logic
swift mason
yes, some, not all
limpid agate
It is firm science fiction that's root in real life logic is that magic isn't real.
tired pivot
Ok
limpid agate
It has its own consistent rules
And it makes up new sci-fi science that obviously isn't real.
Because its firm science fiction
tired pivot
But does that really back how the omnic society works?
limpid agate
What
swift mason
Ok i'm lost, what was your original point again?
tired pivot
Ok yeah I’m getting a bit side track but lets tackle it one at a time properly, sorry I got out of hand
Hold up
tired pivot
The lore in my opinion has way more plotholes than it should have, as a game Ove...
@swift mason
swift mason
They aren't really plotholes
limpid agate
Popular wrong answers.
swift mason
they're more like loose ends
tired pivot
How the Omnic society just doesn’t make any sense, how some characters don’t really have any origins, and how the story itself at some point can be a bit jumpy
limpid agate
How the Omnic society just doesn’t make any sense
You keep just saying this
No one knows what you mean
how some characters don’t really have any origins
What?
how the story itself at some point can be a bit jumpy
What?
Can you explain things more concisely. Especially since none of this is related to your weird "real life logic" rant.
Be specific
swift mason
Just so we're clear, we're not attacking you, we are attacking your argument
tired pivot
I know
limpid agate
I have no idea what you are trying to even say.
peak escarp
how the story itself at some point can be a bit jumpy
it's not a linear story, it's not being told in order
or at least, it wasn't up to this point
OW2 seems like it will be linear
terse oar
It's also important to note that OW's story hasn't had as much time to develop compared to others like DC or Marvel
tired pivot
Why are Omnics being portrayed as robots that are going through segregation, I get that in some movies like Chappie and Short Circuit show that people treat them differently and even try to tear them apart which I get how they are displayed but in Overwatch Omnics are basically part of society and are basically part of future technology, I get that they’re trying to display them as a society going through segregation but the reason why isn’t really clear
peak escarp
because of the Omnic Crisis
limpid agate
Its explained pretty often
terse oar
They're being treated like that because of the Omnic Crisis
peak escarp
they were the aggressors in a world war
limpid agate
The leftover civilian omnics are now treated like shit by humans.
terse oar
The Omnics killed millions and destroyed cities. People aren't going to immediately trust them
tired pivot
Yeah but wasn’t that Null sector not average omnics?
peak escarp
similar things happened to German and Japanese people post WWII
terse oar
Null Sector is a different thing
swift mason
Null sector were built specifically for war
limpid agate
If you're thinking of the King's Row thing, that was 7 years ago
terse oar
They're Omnic Extremists
limpid agate
The Crisis was 30 years ago
swift mason
just like bastions
tired pivot
And even then why did they get into war?
limpid agate
That's a mystery in universe
tired pivot
Then why did it even happen? That basically means that they had no reason to fight
terse oar
It's also important to note that OW's story hasn't had as much time to develop compared to others like DC or Marvel
limpid agate
That's a mystery in universe
Directly above your comment
swift mason
Not everything in OW lore has been answered yet
terse oar
Tracer described them as an "Omnic extremist group" if that helps at all
swift mason
that's probably why you think it has plotholes
peak escarp
it will probably be answered in the future, since the current/upcoming plotline revolves around another omnic war
limpid agate
- Liao makes the Omniums for Omnica (>~35 years ago)
- Omniums make Omnics
- Omniums/Omnica shut down
- Years later they turn back on, wage war on humanity (Omnic Crisis, ~30 years ago)
- Overwatch is created to end the Crisis
- Overwatch wins the war for humanity and shuts down the Omniums (~25 years ago)
tired pivot
That's a mystery in universe
How is it a mystery when it should’ve already been known, In WW1 it was because of the assassination of archduke Ferdinand, in WW2 it was because of the invasion of poland, really it shouldn’t even be a mystery it should be known world wide
limpid agate
- Years later they turn back on, wage war on humanity (Omnic Crisis, ~30 years ago)
This is your shooting of Franz Ferdinand
But no one knows why it happened
It just did
tired pivot
But what was their reason?
limpid agate
But no one knows why it happened
\
terse oar
OW right now is mainly focused on gameplay, and they wanted to make a PvE game mode. OW2 will provide these answers as it's more focused on the story
And again,
It's also important to note that OW's story hasn't had as much time to develop compared to others like DC or Marvel
peak escarp
it's a plot point that the cause of the war is unknown
the fact that nobody knows why it started is a big deal
tired pivot
Oh so it’s not like Ferdinand was assasinated by a group of terrorists and how poland was invaded for power, literally everyone should know the reason why, it shouldn’t even be a mystery
terse oar
If we knew the answer the story wouldn't be as captivating
limpid agate
That's like saying Jack the Ripper's identity being unknown 150 years later is a plot hole
tired pivot
If we knew the answer the story wouldn't be as captivating
Kinda
terse oar
So that answers the question
tired pivot
That's like saying Jack the Ripper's identity being unknown 150 years later is a...
Yeah back he didn’t wage a war against humanity
swift mason
These mysteries keep our interest, if they were solved straight away, interest would be lost
terse oar
^^^
limpid agate
I could pick any mystery you want from the real world's history.
Would you rather I talk about the Hindenburg?
Or JFK?
Black Dhalia?
terse oar
Zodiac Killer...
terse oar
||The greatest heists are the ones we don't know about||
tired pivot
I get they’re trying to do the whole “it was planned but it was kept a secret” cliche which the Modern Warfare series actually handles really well, the reason why is because you know who the real badguy is and you feel bad that everything happening around you was caused by one person and it wasn’t supposed to happen and no one was really the bad guy but the person who planned it, with Overwatch it left as a mystery which didn’t even caused tension or excitement it just looks like a plot hole
And even then it felt rushed
limpid agate
They aren't going for any angle. Its a mystery because the characters in universe don't even understand it.
There is only one person who understands how Omniums work, and she didn't even know
And she's dead now
swift mason
Modern warfare isn't the same game as Overwatch, if all games were similar, it would be boring
terse oar
Confirmed dead btw, following logic
tired pivot
Modern warfare isn't the same game as Overwatch, if all games were similar, it w...
Yeah but the story around the omnic crisis is basically the same thing
limpid agate
The story isnt around the Omnic Crisis
The world being post-Omnic Crisis is the setting
swift mason
Not every story developer would want to copy from other developers
terse oar
The story right now is centered around the second Omnic Crisis that is emerging
swift mason
They have to make theirs stand out somehow
limpid agate
The story is about Winston Recalling Overwatch in a world that needs a new hope.
lament prawn
just because they caused a global war doesnt mean people suddenly know why the omniums reactivated. that would make less sense. the omnics didnt talk to humans, they just killed
tired pivot
The story isnt around the Omnic Crisis
Yeah but I’m using MW as an example about that part of the story, I’m not saying that the Omnic crisis is the entire story
limpid agate
The Omnics in the crisis weren't even capable of speech.
tired pivot
just because they caused a global war doesnt mean people suddenly know _why_ the...
Thats like saying nobody knew taht Germany wanted world power when they invaded poland
swift mason
but we know that
limpid agate
No, that's not what it is like
tired pivot
The Omnics in the crisis weren't even capable of speech.
Yeah but then again they were run by technology anyone with a brainstem could hack them at any moment
limpid agate
Its more like if the Roman Empire crawled out of Mount Vesuvius and started trying to conquer Italy.
slender hound
The Nazi Gold?
That’s not lore discussion
tired pivot
🤦🏻♂️
tired pivot
Thats why I refer to them as germany or german army as to not call them that
limpid agate
Because there is nothing like it
tired pivot
There is no real world comparison to the Omnic Crisis
Are you sure about that?
limpid agate
Yes
tired pivot
Ok prove it?
It doesn’t even need to have a society of robots just the scenario itself
lament prawn
im outta this one 
tired pivot
Alright
limpid agate
The Omnic Crisis is a mystery because a bunch of factories that were shut down suddenly started producing war machines and inexplicably waged war against humanity.
If you want to talk about Germany, it would be comparable to if Germany was destroyed, and then out of nowhere more Germans suddenly came out of a hole in the ground and invaded Poland.
tired pivot
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
limpid agate
I don't know why you keep doing that.
There are points to make, but the battle you are choosing is a foolish one.
peak escarp
we've been discussing this for several hours now, and you're just now asking if we're diehard fans?
terse oar
You're in an Overwatch Discord, what are you thinking?
limpid agate
Again. There are points you can be making
But the battle and analogies you are making are not the right ones
tired pivot
Ok
limpid agate
There is no real world equivalent to the Omnic Crisis.
Its not comparable to any event in human history
Its not World War III
surreal torrent
hi
limpid agate
Its closest comparison in media is The Matrix, and the motive behind the two robot uprisings are different.
swift mason
Just accept the lore as it is, arguing against it won’t change anything
tired pivot
The matrix?😂😂🤣🤣😂
limpid agate
Can you please speak in words and not emotes.
tired pivot
Just accept the lore as it is, arguing against it won’t change anything
I know I’m just expressing my opinions so are you saying that I can’t keep my opinions
surreal torrent
lore discord told me there was drama so time to read 
vale hamlet
dam yagyu i commend you bro
swift mason
Of course you’re allowed to have opinions, it’s just sometimes opinions can be wrong
I’ll respect your opinions, as long as you respect ours too
tired pivot
Of course you’re allowed to have opinions, it’s just sometimes opinions can be w...
I do respect yours
Just because I start a debate doesn’t mean I see your opinions as garbage
limpid agate
There is a difference between a mystery not being compelling, and being a plot hole
You are arguing that, because its not compelling, and real world wars between humans are generally known, its a plot hole.
Other than the Matrix, Gears of War is probably another close comparison, with the Locust being the mysterious force that invaded rather than the Omnics.
The difference is, the mystery of the Locust invasion was solved in universe after the war started
The mystery of the Omnic Crisis was not solved because there are no living people who can solve it.
proud pike
I was only gone for half an hour, and then there was some drama again...
What happened?
terse oar
What happened?
Way to much to explain lol
vale hamlet
a confusing argument about logic and plotholes of the story
proud pike
Oh...
terse oar
and changing stand points
terse oar
and movies lol
vale hamlet
and also history
swift mason
A lot
proud pike
and also history
WWII?
swift mason
Basically
vale hamlet
yeah somehow ww1 and ww2 came out
proud pike
I saw "Nazi gold" message
terse oar
History and movies/other media were used to support the argument
proud pike
Lol, well let's put it this way. OW does not mow down to realism, so explaining all the details in it is quite a stupid task.
Like
terse oar
fighting tracer
That's a great way to put it
proud pike
Hard light
terse oar
It was focused around logic rather than realism
They were saying how OW doesn't follow normal logic, only it's own (I think)
proud pike
fighting tracer
a bit offtop a bit shitpost ||** sounds of Tracer-main's fear **||
terse oar
Doc's argument was that OW, although not realistic, does follow the logic is has laid out and is consistent with said logic
proud pike
Although the Genji's katana still raises questions.....
terse oar
Then Taiga and the other dude argued for 2 hours
terse oar
Although the Genji's katana still raises questions.....
I assume you refer to deflect?
terse oar
I don't get it
proud pike
For two-handed weapons, the scabbard on the back is not worn - the arm is not long enough to reach the weapon
peak escarp
characters do it in fiction because it looks cool
proud pike
Rule of cool, i remember
peak escarp
irl, it's impossible to draw a sword that way
vale hamlet
and supercedes logic
terse oar
"He's a cyborg"
vale hamlet
hahahaha
proud pike
"He's a cyborg"
XD
vale hamlet
oh yah true he is a cyborg
proud pike
nice
peak escarp
proud pike
Imagine.... Genji lengthens his arm at the moment when we can't see.
terse oar
His sword is curved to, yet he pulls it out straight
I don't think he can even put his arm out far enough to pull it
peak escarp
if you look at the animation, the sword just goes through the scabbard
limpid agate
You can probably watch Dragons for a more realistic pull
peak escarp
same thing with Link in Legend of Zelda
vale hamlet
also yelling a quote evreytime you are about to attack is illogical
limpid agate
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
terse oar
It's the most viewed one 🙂
vale hamlet
story of two brothers
proud pike
I love Bastion one more
vale hamlet
always hits home
proud pike
It's beautiful.
terse oar
Dragons received quite a positive reception
limpid agate
And watching the short
terse oar
My least favorite is probably Hero :/
limpid agate
It looks like it phases through the sheath.
proud pike
My least favorite is probably Hero :/
Why?
Soldier goes brrr pow pow pow brrrr
Its nice
terse oar
Idk why, it just doesn't captivate me as much
limpid agate
Its not a Soldier short. Its an Alejandra short where Soldier is seen in a fight.
vale hamlet
It looks like it phases through the sheath.
maybe the scabbard opens up
limpid agate
Maybe. But it hasn't been shown to in any source book or clear animation
proud pike
Its not a Soldier short. Its an Alejandra short where Soldier is seen in a fight...
Why not?
peak escarp
I enjoy Hero for the action sequence, but it doesn't add anything to the lore or develop any characters beyond what we already know of them
limpid agate
Its a popular gun.
terse oar
I enjoy Hero for the action sequence, but it doesn't add anything to the lore or...
Maybe that's why...
limpid agate
Its economical and reliable
proud pike
Even in 2070-80
limpid agate
The M1911 is 110 years old
terse oar
It's probably there because people will recognize it, and it is still efficient
swift mason
Is it me or is the decade 2070’s really popular when it comes to earth sci-fi
limpid agate
For context, the M1911 is used by the US military still 110 years later
peak escarp
the 2070s are near enough to be within the lifetime of people currently living, but far off enough that it's "the future"
proud pike
Okay, I'm a jerk.
limpid agate
And the AK in the short was used by gangsters, not even a military force.
proud pike
xd
limpid agate
I could have also used the M1917 Revolver as an example. First made in 1917 alongside the 1911, and still used in the army today. Its also a popular gun because of its reliability
proud pike
Today revolvers are not so popular.
limpid agate
Like, bear in mind, the 47 in AK-47 is a refrence to the year it was made
And they are still being used today
proud pike
Multi-shot pistols are more practical. And in the special forces, they are generally not used anywhere except in France and in several other countries.
limpid agate
So some gangsters pulling it out in the 2070s isnt unbelievable
proud pike
That was a pretty big explosion
But a pretty useless
Yes, he's a super soldier, but not to the same extent.
It exploded just a meter away from him.
okay, let's say he withstands high temperatures, etc but.... shards.
limpid agate
He has a healing factor
proud pike
That is.... he can detonate grenades a meter away from him and even without taking out fragments from the body just go on?
limpid agate
We don't see anything for the same reason we don't see Balderich bleed
It's a family friendly short
proud pike
oh... so that guy with minigun is okay?
limpid agate
No he's dead
limpid agate
We didn't the body though because that would be gruesome
proud pike
Wdym?