it won't make total sense until OW2, but it seems to be pointing at a future hero
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
cerulean ice
just brit from what ive noticed
peak escarp
there's a few things that tie in to a preview of OW2 heroes shown to Game Informer last year
worthy rose
What kind of hero do you think it’ll be?
peak escarp
a support hero, possibly the swordsmith who made Genji's sword
worthy rose
Or Maybe another shimada brother? Like a long lost one or just someone thats against both of them, forcing Hanzo to work with his brother Genji?
Like someone from another clan maybe
peak escarp
I don't think it would be another Shimada
worthy rose
An enemy clan
peak escarp
another clan is possible
worthy rose
I feel like genjis Swordmaker is more possible though
peak escarp
there's a sword workshop on the new map
worthy rose
But maybe it would feel too much like a mix of Zenny and Torb?
worthy rose
Oh then yeah probably genjis swordmaker
Sanjin
Maybe look at what that name means?
Japanese names usually have some meaning
peak escarp
it means "mountain god", but I don't think that's relevant
Shimada means "island field"
worthy rose
The only tie I can make with those is the Shimada palace is on a mountain
But nvm
What weapon do you think Sanjin would have?
Maybe a sword of his own
peak escarp
there was a description of a hero with a giant shuriken or chakram type weapon
The hero that stood out the most, and I couldn't take my eyes off of, appeared to be a female with short hair. At her side and standing up to her knees was a fuzzy little critter with pointy ears and an equally pointy tail. It looked like a fennec fox, but with longer ears and a more aggressive stance. The hero of note wielded a giant four-sided weapon,
worthy rose
Like rein’s hammer, the guy could swing it and slash at enemy heroes possibly
And oh
limpid agate
I would rather we don't go more melee heroes, so hopefully its a throwable or a surrogate for firing something
worthy rose
Yeah
peak escarp
or the person who saw it misinterpreted the silhouette
limpid agate
Which we havent
peak escarp
two daggers held perpendicular to each other could be mistaken for a large shuriken
limpid agate
And it hasnt been addressed by anyone else
worthy rose
Another wall climbing hero maybe? Like climbing the walls with the daggers?
Idk
Or maybe throwing knives!!!
limpid agate
I think that all sounds bland for what should be sci-fi.
Even the traditional weapons like Hanzo's bow bring tech in
worthy rose
And maybe they could me remote control so they can track targets
limpid agate
But a silhouette can be a lot of things.
worthy rose
Looks like the rip-tire
limpid agate
It isn't.
worthy rose
Lol
Ik
Just reminded me
I feel like maybe genjis swordmaker could be evil?
Idk
I feel like they’re gonna end up making hanzo and genji team up
To defeat someone
peak escarp
not Zen, that would just be retreading Genji's story
worthy rose
Ahhh yeah
peak escarp
he could find purpose somewhere else
worthy rose
But where do you think
Maybe the short would be about Hanzo taking a travel around the world (or just Japan)
seeking redemption
peak escarp
personally I'd like to see him meet up with the Old Soldiers and find a purpose in joining Jack's vendetta
but that's just me
nothing suggests that will happen
worthy rose
Oh my, that would be a cool idea
We have yet to see deeper into Jack’s story in a short
So maybe Blizzard will deliver something like that
worthy rose
I feel like they’re gonna make another overwatch 2 short tho
They’re gonna want to hype that game up a lot
So maybe it’s an overwatch 2 related one with that soldier plot
peak escarp
they usually have a short every Blizzcon
limpid agate
Of course there is going to be another short.
peak escarp
so we'll get one in Feb
limpid agate
It probably won't be related to this though.
worthy rose
Oh sweet
peak escarp
but yeah, it'll probably be about the OW2 plot, maybe introducing a new hero or new faction
worthy rose
Seeing something with Torb or Zenyatta though. Or maybe another Talon-related one
Could maybe even be a wildcard like Pharah
Or Lucio
Actually now that I think of lucio
That’s a big possibility
limpid agate
It wont be Lucio
peak escarp
Lucio will be featured in OW2 and we know how he joins Overwatch
limpid agate
We already know what happens to him at the start of the game
worthy rose
Ahh yeah
limpid agate
Same with Torb and Zen
You somehow picked all 3 of the heroes we know will be introduced mid-story
worthy rose
Where can I find those?
limpid agate
Its in the OW2 trailer
limpid agate
Lucio is in Brazil, we see the mission at Blizzcon
Torb/Bastion work with OW in the Gothenburg mission
Zen is there in an India mission against Talon.
worthy rose
Hanzo meeting the old soldiers... something about that just seems so blizzard
It’ll be something that will leave the fans with their jaws dropped
worthy rose
That’s true
peak escarp
I'd also like to see Pharah join them
worthy rose
Well, I’m gonna sleep now. And yeah, Pharah would be neat*
peak escarp
she gave up because Overwatch disbanded
serene hedge
I believe this fox character is the female omnic whose mugshot is shown in Paris’ police station (among 4 other omnic extremists). Radio chatter from an officer can be heard near the station, and this is one of their lines (translated from French of course):
“Suspect spotted inside the Carpentier bookstore. Voss, female omnic, 1m60”
Voss means “fox” in northern German. And since she’s the only female omnic shown with a mugshot, there’s no doubt in my mind that she is at least somewhat significant. Not only that, but she also fits GameInformer’s description of the fox character’s silhouette (“Female with short hair”), as she is shown to have a quite feminine build and short, black hair.
limpid agate
That makes no sense.
Why would it be a French female omnic who is related to Kanezaka and the Shimadas.
Whose name is German
serene hedge
We don’t necessarily know that she’s French, just that she’s wanted in France. Junkrat and Roadhog’s mugshots are also in the station, so maybe she travels
limpid agate
Junkrat and Roadhog existed as heroes for 4 years by that point
serene hedge
Junkrat and Roadhog are wanted in France even though they aren’t French. What I’m saying is that just because her mugshot is in France doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have connections to other parts of the word
She may have originally been from Japan and then moved after the fall of the shimada clan
And this is just speculation. I think that since omnics play such a pivotal role in the lore and plot of Overwatch, then they should be better represented among the playable heroes.
And I agree that a German name for a (probably) Japanese character wouldn’t make much sense.
I think “Voss” could be one of three things: An alias or code name, the name of the character’s fox companion, or simply a term to describe them.
limpid agate
This sounds like you are reaching very very far
limpid agate
Just to connect a bunch of dots for the sake of having a picture
The more likely answer is this is the first time the character has ever been acknowledged in the lore.
serene hedge
Like I said it’s just speculation
cerulean ice
it technically still is, just not right
serene hedge
I’m not as devoted to my theory as you believe I am. I was simply curious if there were any undiscovered lore clues hidden in one of the current maps. I didn’t jump to Paris expecting anything. I combed through multiple maps beforehand and didn’t find anything I hadn’t seen before. I agree that this character probably hasn’t been acknowledged in lore before and that my idea is pretty unlikely. Therefore, I’m not trying to convince you to agree with me, I’m just trying to convince you that it’s at least possible.
cerulean ice
your evidence is low, brushed it with "may have", "i think", "could be", or anything synonymous from those lines. so its even unlikely to consider the possibility, you just went investigating a character thats not relevant to the lore.
serene hedge
You could have told me I was wasting my time an hour ago.
Nonetheless, it was enjoyable while it lasted
cerulean ice
Why would it be a French female omnic who is related to Kanezaka and the Shimadas. Whose name is German
golden jasper
Damn, Bruiser, Rumble, and the big red guy under McCloud have some cool designs and would be cool to have as playable characters.
limpid agate
The big red robot is a canon Overwatch agent.
The design is nicknamed Wildebeest
Its design has been recycled into Reinhardt, Orisa, and Brigitte.
rain star
you know i thot more effort went into those heros
im kinda bigsad the are just recycling
limpid agate
... What?
Game development is more than just having 1 design from point a to point b
iron plume
they're also "recycling" different parts and building upon them
it's not like they use the same one
lament prawn
how does iterating on a design multiple times, instead of settling on the first one, mean there's less effort involved?
if anything the effort is being multiplied
maiden gorge
Can someone link the ow2 trailer?
limpid agate
maiden gorge
Thanks
terse oar
im kinda bigsad the are just recycling
A lot of abilities are recycled as well, not just hero designs
It’d be a waste to throw out these ideas
limpid agate
For instance, Scatter Arrow didn't work
Now we have Hyperspheres
Sometimes not even heroes.
Genji had his assassination. Now the Talon Assassin has it
iron plume
people telling you you're wrong is not 'flaming'
golden jasper
Its design has been recycled into Reinhardt, Orisa, and Brigitte.
Oh, I can see it now thanks to searching up the name. Cool to know, thanks.
Would be cool to see the other two become characters though.
terse oar
I’m sure some of them on that chart will become heroes
limpid agate
Many of them have
Literally:
- Roadhog
- Angelica (Mercy)
- Reaper
- Longshot (Widowmaker)
- Ironclad (Torbjorn)
- Iris (Echo)
- Mercy (Pharah)
- Hanzo (Genji)
- Symmetra
- Winston
- Tracer
Just the kit: - Huntress (Hanzo)
- Frost (Mei)
- Rumble (Bastion)
- Troy (Brigitte)
- Wildebeest (Rein)
- Hivemind (Sombra)
- Praetor (Soldier 76)
I also think Recluse is being adapted to Junkerqueen
That makes 18 of our 32 heroes based off this chart.
And that's ignoring some that have been cut off.
As well as Brit as a potential D.Va start, or Bruiser for someone like Orisa or Mauga
Among the designs not used as heroes:
- Helio Wildebeest are canon Overwatch agents.
- Brit seems to be a fictional character
- There is a painting of McCloud in King's Row
rain star
people telling you you're wrong is not 'flaming'
hmm, seems like a mild flaming to me. whatever. lore discussion isnt the place for this
terse oar
Brit is used on the new map on a billboard
pliant sparrow
Fictional character in fiction
limpid agate
Like Junkenstein or Pachimari
maiden gorge
So like lore inside of lore yeah I get that
white cobalt
- Brit seems to be a fictional character
Brit looks like a Dva
white cobalt
fictional, not even a hero doing ads? https://i.imgur.com/ucZc856.jpeg
frosty shell
Maybe it's a Meka Guardian V-related ad?
limpid agate
The sign reads "Virtual Tour House"
It appears to me that she is a fictional character.
valid shell
@peak escarp Are you the only one still here of the old old crew?
valid shell
I can't even remember their names, I popped in here on a whim remembering I used to be a constant presence lol
I remember you and Party tho.
peak escarp
well now's a good time to come back, we're getting new stuff to discuss pretty regularly for once
valid shell
Tempted.
But I haven't thought OW lore in like 2 years.
Though I doubt much has changed.
valid shell
So I can stop being mad about people seeing anyone's face ever and asking "LIAO??????"
peak escarp
yes
now we get to deal with people seeing any new art of a character and asking "NEW HERO???"
peak escarp
let's see . . . your last post was in October of 2019, so . . .
swift mason
Hero of numbani yes
fathom tartan
What else we get
peak escarp
- Zero Hour: an animated short where Null Sector attacked Paris and Winston's team responded, leading to him announcing the return of Overwatch
- Valkyrie: Ana and Soldier went to see Mercy, and Ana convinced her to answer the Recall
- Lucio will be joining Overwatch in a mission in Overwatch 2
- Hero of Numbani: the story of Orisa's creation and first rematch with Doomfist, cameo by Lucio
- Echo was added, giving us the identity of Dr. Mina Liao and explaining why McCree seemed to be close with Echo
- London Calling: this 5 part comic (currently on part 3) follows Tracer over the events before, during and after Alive, and her rocky friendship with an omnic named Iggy from the Underworld
- Stone By Stone: a short story featuring Symmetra and Zenyatta bonding over a broken statue
also most recently, the new FFA map Kanezaka has some hints towards a future hero with connections to the Shimada brothers
swift mason
And that map was only a few days ago
peak escarp
oh and also a second novel has been announced for next year that will focus on Ashe and the founding of the Deadlock Gang
fathom tartan
Nice
peak escarp
we have actually gotten a lot in the past year
fathom tartan
Yeah
lapis wagon
cerulean ice
its not new, just changed the response
err well thats still new but she didnt rlly say much
we alr know dae hyun is a mechanic anyways
nothing new
ocean elm
what if that one kid for the museum cinematic grew up to be the new doomfist
that'd be pretty neat i guess
peak escarp
that would be very random
limpid agate
It wouldn't make sense
The kid is still a teenager. Unless you meant the child with the cast.
Which makes even less sense
ocean elm
the teen
peak escarp
also the current Doomfist got the title by killing the previous one
I don't think that kid stands a chance against Doomfist, even grown up
fathom tartan
Hm
I was looking back through the cinematics and realised something in infiltration
After reaper is smacked by the mech he tries to wraith but seems he's stopped by pain or something
shadow lily
So I’m new to Overwatch lore
Can someone help me?
Where should i start and where to look?
Oh my bad I see the pins sorry to disrupt
limpid agate
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
limpid agate
@shadow lily
shadow lily
Thank you!!!
@limpid agate
finite urchin
mauga needs to be added into the game
mauga has to be
and he better have minigun
hushed jetty
He probably will be, once ow2 comes out
proud pike
only PvP part of it
worthy rose
but i am broke
proud pike
?
proud pike
Wdym?
devout sable
so wait, was Aurora before or after the Omnic Crisis?
also, I'm confused about the timeline of London Calling, shouldn't Winston have initiated the Recall by now?
peak escarp
the recall hasn't happened yet
Aurora must have been after the Omnic Crisis
because omnics didn't have individuality/free minds before the crisis
cerulean ice
london calling was before recall
and the iris something was formed after the omnic crisis
then aurora ascension go brr
unreal tartan
I’ve seen a few videos on Kanezawa potentially hinting at a new character, is there any concrete evidence for this or is it just speculation so far?
scarlet apex
Quick question about Junkertown
so it's in the Australian Outback, and something happened with the Omnic Production Factory/Site/Area (idk the right name) that caused it to turn into a wasteland
peak escarp
the Australian Liberation Front sabotaged the reactor and made it detonate
peak escarp
pretty much
scarlet apex
And you're telling me the Australian government, the country's allies, and the United Nations never did anything to help out???
well not you specifically
peak escarp
the Australian government gave the omnium to the omnics as a post-war settlement
the ALF wasn't happy about "their land" being given to the omnics, so they fought back
peak escarp
why would they do anything about that?
nuclear fallout is hard to clean up - just look at Fukushima and Chernobyl
it's easier to just abandon it
and I don't think the Junkers would be too happy about government aid
even today, without any nuclear fallout, the outback is a lot of empty unused space that can't support farms or anything
supple shard
im imagining if there was another gang that ruled in the east coast of the usa
since deadlock stormed the west
fathom tartan
Nah
That's prosperous
Hmmm
Do you think deadlock and uh
I forgot there name but the mexican sugar skull paint gang
Ever get into fights
iron plume
im imagining if there was another gang that ruled in the east coast of the usa
It’s more likely that the East is under more competent government control
since it’s much more densely populated
grand wedge
I forgot there name but the mexican sugar skull paint gang
It's Los Muertos
fathom tartan
It's Los Muertos
That honestly what I thought but then I was thinking that's day of the dead
finite urchin
has anyone noticed that there are three omnics in the null sector art that look a bit more special than the rest?
the scythe omnic, the staff one, and the floaty pod
also the disc head one resembles the training bot: guns on both arms, and lacking the distinct purple accents
and isnt talon using sigma's and moira's research?
they could've given it to null sector to seal their deal or smth
with that considered, the mage probably would have telekinetic abilities
lastly:
only the special omnics have dots on their forehead
also the null sector leader does as well
everyone else has a dot for an eye
could dots signify status?
arctic loom
''The Art of Overwatch, Volume 2 Hardcover – October 15, 2021''
we got that on amazon...
means something? idk if is real
opaque tundra
i have a hard time believing that overwatch 2 will come out in 2022
arctic loom
nope is cant be
i really hope for 2021
echo is the last character of ''ow 1''
I don't think we will be without a new hero
opaque tundra
even if it's possibly fake, i'd love a volume 2 of the artbook
arctic loom
in 2021
finite urchin
blizzard wont admit it, but i speculate they're just using overwatch 2 to bring the hype back
it makes sense, they haven't have experience with such shooters before, and OW 2, besides pve, isnt really all that different
and probably regretted a few things on the initial release
so ow 2 is kinda like their reset button
this means that there's a high change they'll release it soon
my only fear is that they'll turn overwatch into a continuous franchise, idk what's the name for it
what i mean is a gaming franchise that regularly develops new games, like COD or battlefield
lament prawn
it makes sense, they haven't have experience with such shooters before, and OW 2...
just because they didnt tell us about the pvp aside from push, several new heroes and maps, doesnt mean it wont be different. what we know is coming is already a lot more than what we would have gotten had the game continued on its regular release cycle, but jeff has also teased fundamental changes to the way the game works
opaque tundra
i just want more ow lore honestly
fathom tartan
Everyone who cares about lore always wants more lore
arctic loom
people now are saying
ow 2 going come november 2021
i really hope to not be true...
soft vale
cannons
terse oar
People are saying that because an art book releasing in Oct says “get a sneak peek at OW2”
Sadly, these speculations are probably right
arctic loom
is cant be right...
proud pike
I don't think we'll be without new heroes for another year...
Echo is the last hero before OW2. If OW2 is in November 2021, then.....
cerulean ice
that doesnt rlly make sense
also theres alr been tons of info regarding the release date of ow2
theyre all different though
cerulean ice
yes mb
proud pike
It's just that the game is supposed to come out later than the book, isn't it?
cerulean ice
we dont know (?)
proud pike
That line scares me "Sneak peek at Overwatch 2 "
peak escarp
so? it could just be a preview of OW2 concept art
proud pike
Same
arctic loom
i got a little nervous because of that line too..
of sneak peek..
i dont wanna wait... more...
peak escarp
!!shitposting @vivid horizon
twilit nacelleBOT
@vivid horizon Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
proud pike
ha-ha, not funny, tbh
vivid horizon
worthy rose
I have an actual question. Why tf are Lúcio and Dva and a whole lotta other characters in the game if they don’t relate to Overwatch or it’s plot?
And if Lúcio is shown in the Overwatch 2 art, does that mean he joined them? And does this mean that Dva would join too?
worthy rose
Imagine a story mission in Busan
peak escarp
D.Va might, if her country's issues can be permanently dealt with (maybe by Overwatch)
worthy rose
It would make sense because apart from that, she’s not related to Overwatch in any way
Neither are her teammates
cerulean ice
its not unnecessary for characters to exist thats irrelevant to the main storyline
its just more lore
proud pike
So... I still don't remember what conclusion we came to about the DF's shields?
It doesn't looks like hard light
I would even say that it is simply invisible
proud pike
oh
welp
...
It turns out that his shield is.... just a something?
Something... what?
last inlet
I don't know if they've appeared in lore
proud pike
Yes
In his OS
When Tracer was shooting at him
1:13 moment
There are distortions in the air and her shots just disappear
Or am I wrong?
last inlet
It honestly doesn't look that different from when they were making contact with him before
Makes me wonder how lethal they could be, but maybe his shielding is invisible
last inlet
It's another one of those things we're not gonna get a hard answer for
Shields and temporary shields
proud pike
Well... if the color change in hard light is confirmed, then quite a lot of things can be explained.
Like Shimada dragons, DF's shields
Perhaps even Zenyatta's yellow hands will become canon
last inlet
It could also be that Tracer's rounds aren't very deadly
less likely I guess
But hey
proud pike
He completely ignored them and Genji as well
last inlet
I kinda took that short as "he's built different"
If it is actually shielding, it's probably the same kind that lot of characters have ingame
some technology that gives an invisible force field around the person's body
and the tech probably would be easiest explained as hard light or just something names "shields" in lore
last inlet
those, yeah. Plus the temp shields used by Doomfist, Lucio, Hammond's Wrecking Ball
last inlet
true, but if they ever needed them to be, they have something in there already, sort of
Thanks to Doom
proud pike
Yep
last inlet
His whole deal with shrugging off bullets and shuriken hasn't been explained
I guess people haven't asked enough
proud pike
I've already figured it out
proud pike
However, a little offtopic, I really like Tracer as a character, but I just admire his calculation
He just stood there and waited for the perfect moment
It's really cool
proud pike
I even felt sorry that he lost
He really was stronger and smarter, much more.
But... angry Winston goes brr
and a note. He didn't kill either Tracer or Genji, though he could
last inlet
not for lack of trying
He threw a car door at Genji
They do move pretty fast
Threw an entire car at Tracer too
last inlet
Yeah, though I imagine it would've been hard to do that. I guess he might've thought it was good enough after seeing what it did to her
willow walrus
Hey what is this lore discussion about
Because I know a thing or two about the lore
finite urchin
i mean, doomfist is loaded with cybernetics, right?
limpid agate
Yes
finite urchin
and i think we should honestly just give up on reaching a conclusion with the shields
hear me out:
we still don't even know anything about his gauntlet
there's honestly no way we could conclude something with such little to go on
i say we wait until blizzard wants us to know
finite urchin
my point is i dont think we can really figure out where his shield generation comes from right now
limpid agate
Could be anywhere
finite urchin
oh yeah i was referring to the argument above
they were trying to figure out the source of doom's shields
unreal tartan
At the moment his passive shields are a game mechanic, not a confirmed canon ability as far as I’m aware
limpid agate
They were barely visible in Doomfist Origins
When Tracer is shooting him
You can see the pulses deflecting off some invisible space between them
keen heart
they were visible?
i havent noticed that
i thought it was just a game mechanic with no connection to lore
limpid agate
Maybe the hitting things generating them is the game mechanic
But he does appear to have some form of invisible shielding.
keen heart
really havent noticed that
huh
well now is the question, where do they come from
it could be the impact of kinetic energy
peak escarp
it kinda reminds me of the kinetic absorbtion feature of Black Panther's suit
keen heart
but that would mean him getting hit would also grant him shields
keen heart
it kinda reminds me of the kinetic absorbtion feature of Black Panther's suit
exactly what i said
but it just doesnt fit in
if that were the case, him getting hit would grant him shields
and thats not the case
opaque tundra
That's a nice cover, it shows the newer characters
finite urchin
maybe he’s just that tough
I mean, he fucking leveled a skyscraper
Some tiny water guns aint gonna tickle the dude
finite urchin
Still though, if ur rumored to be capable of smashing a building, you’re probably hella strong
And just correcting ur grammar
*dey say
peak escarp
"dey" is not a word
finite urchin
Lol
I was joking
There’s a doomfist voiceline
Called “And they say”
It’s a meme
Better purchase it now, its also christmas seasonal
thick jetty
is hanzos storm arrows an example of hard light
thick jetty
Yea that would make sense
And another question is genjis deflect canon, like can he move his arms that fast
proud pike
In Zero Hour too
golden pewter
I wonder when hardlight was actually made and who made it
It’s looks like for the most part you need cybernetics to do it. The only person that doesn’t have obvious cybernetics is hanzo
proud pike
It’s looks like for the most part you need cybernetics to do it. The only person...
Yes, but no
He uses a special arrow
golden pewter
I keep thinking about symmetra in particular, they amputated her arm to give her more capabilities with hardlight
proud pike
Yep
swift mason
I don’t think we’ll ever know about what exactly hardlight is, just that it is a powerful and useful tool/material in the OW universe
low brook
we might, isnt it not only barriers but also shield hp too?
proud pike
I dont think so
Its just called "shields"
For example DF's shields
Its not looks like HL
worthy rose
Does sombra secretly hate the people she works with?
As seen in her trailer cutscene she clearly ditched htem then lied
cerulean ice
i dont think she hates anyone in that sense
that aside, no, shes just using talon so she can accomplish her own goal
but doomfist remarked it was a good choice to have katya volskaya alive and on their side
finite urchin
wait a sec
who even said that barriers had to be made of light in the first place
they could just be energy or something
and hard light was created after the crisis (maybe?)
terse oar
It had to be created before/during, as Germany used it to make their barriers
finite urchin
"Hard-light is a type of technology available in a post-Omnic Crisis world"
and you missed my point
im saying barriers may not be made of light in the first place
they could just be energy or smth
and I think the quote confirms that barriers aren't made of hard light
cosmic crest
We know they are made of har light.
finite urchin
oh but how
cosmic crest
And what do you mean by "energy"?
finite urchin
did i miss that?
like, particle barrier
particle energy
or something
cuz i dont see a reason why zarya's barriers are any different
Wait come to think of it, zarya’s barriers are called particle barriers
And definitely arent made of light
Which proves that non-light barriers can exist?
terse oar
We know the typical barriers in the game (Reinhardt, Orisa, etc) are made of hard light
However, you could be right in that Zarya’s are not. The problem with that is we just don’t have enough lore about her or Volskaya yet...
restive flower
well zarya's barriers were originally blue in the beta
restive flower
TIL OW has an artbook...and it has a cinematics art book.
peak escarp
it's going to have one more of each in the coming year
loud haven
But how would hard light transfer energy directly to zaryas laser
Especially seeing as no other barriers do they
cosmic crest
It absorbs kinetic energy and redirects it into her weapon.
worthy rose
That's cool
autumn veldt
I would go with Draco and say that zarya barriers aren't made of hard light.
They have different priorities.
limpid agate
They have the same properties outside gameplay. And even then, they're 80% identical
Its like saying a motorcycle and a car use different tech, even though they both use internal combustion engines
last inlet
Here I thought they had something to do with whatever tech was in the weapon she has
But that it somehow wasn't hard light
peak escarp
the specialized tech in her gun is the Tobelstein reactor
which generates enough power to create the graviton surge
and probably powers the barriers too
limpid agate
Orisa also has a Tobelstein
And can also create differently-coloured hard-light-energy weapons and barriers
In the books she can make a hard-light lasso. In game, she has halt.
limpid agate
It is 100% official
finite urchin
Damn
I gotta read it
I wanna hear a lot more about doomfist
He’s my fav character
By far
peak escarp
he gets some good moments in the book
finite urchin
Yes!!!
finite urchin
Sry we got off topic there for a sec
fathom tartan
Orisa lasso
Lol
Be a pretty funny ability
So who yall think could win a lassoing competition mcree ashe or orisa
I'm thinking mcree
Because ashe was raised with high life
scarlet apex
Which proves that non-light barriers can exist?
if you can see it, it's made of light
at least I think that's how it works
worthy rose
Why can Winston talk?
worthy rose
how was he modified
is bastion a woman
Actually, is Bastion a male or female?
It’s a robot, but people see it as a male
swift mason
Bastion doesn't have a gender, or any concept of gender, so it's just an it
cerulean ice
how was he modified
genetically modified
worthy rose
So,
Since the creator of echo died.
Was her soul transferred into echo in someway?
As we know echo's "name" is iris from what i've seen.
cerulean ice
no, echo adapted her personality
and the "echo" of her creator figuratively
iris is echo's concept name
sand barn
Quick question, is Doom a cyborg or does he just have a gauntlet
swift mason
He has cybernetic implants and a robotic arm that is able to wield the doom fist gauntlet, so yeah, I’d say he’s a cyborg, but not at the same level as sojourn or genji
worthy rose
iris is echo's concept name
ah. concept
cerulean ice
old scrapped name or whatever
hallow steeple
I just ate some fried rice and it was rlly good
anywho
can someone fill me in on doom lore
after he escaped prison and stuff
worthy rose
has the "new fox hero" got any specific lore yet
hallow steeple
there are people saying she's a shimada but that's just speculation
cerulean ice
after he escaped prison and stuff
starting a new war, bla bla bla, went to numbani to recover his gauntlet. ends there for now
cerulean ice
just because shes related to okamis/foxes/dragons?
speculation
finite urchin
if you can see it, it's made of light
yes, but we just had a whole discussion on whether zarya's barriers are hard light or not
clever crater
Is diva trans?
halcyon ginkgo
What gender is zenyatta?
valid terrace
No current hero is trans using our current knowledge
finite urchin
zenyatta is male
hushed jetty
No hero has been confirmed to be trans, but you can speculate and headcanon all you like
peak escarp
a little hard to speculate and headcanon when we've seen several of them as cisgender children
peak escarp
we haven't seen all the heroes as children
but it seems very unlikely that any of the current heroes are transgender
limpid agate
No hero has been *confirmed* to be trans, but you can speculate and headcanon al...
You can't really.
We know most if not everyone is not trans.
raven sluice
I thought your profile picture was sans looking at you with his head sideways
limpid agate
Of course not.
limpid agate
We know the reasons now
raven sluice
Why?
worthy rose
french ???
peak escarp
it's a shitpost
limpid agate
@worthy rose No
limpid agate
Most heroes haven't met
Some don't even know others exist.
Rein doesn't know Orisa exists.
If he does, its from hearing about her off-hand by chance.
fringe blade
I would imagine that Rein would know the major news around the world
And I would think that, because of DF, Orisa would be a pretty prominent face
peak escarp
Efi probably had many articles written about her, some featuring Orisa
worthy rose
sup
swift mason
You got any questions about the lore? We are happy to answer them
As long as they are genuine and not shitposting
finite urchin
yeah we'll try our best
also i find it really infuriating how the government didnt even think about analyzing sigma's research
they just locked him up
or maybe they did, and talon stole it before they could make progress
cerulean ice
his experiment was waaaaaay too dangerous
idk what youre defending him for when his experiment could probably swallow the world
finite urchin
wasn't the original purpose of his experiment to control gravity or smth?
i think the black hole that formed was just a mistake
peak escarp
it was to harness the power of a black hole
creating the black hole was intentional - he thought they could control it
cerulean ice
its dangerous regardless
finite urchin
it's still a scientific breakthrough
they coulda at least studied his research
i mean, if aliens gave us a laser gun
even though it's a weapon
i think the first thing we'd do is try to study how it works
peak escarp
maybe they did
but it sounds like his experiment was a failure, and was dangerous, so I doubt they'd want to repeat it
Talon on the other hand doesn't care if it's dangerous
finite urchin
yeah ig
finite urchin
ur right
but i just wanna add that sigma pre-brain damage didnt really come off as a bad dude
to me
peak escarp
nah, he's just a quirky professor type
cerulean ice
a gentleman
finite urchin
poggies
limpid agate
Yeah that's not what happened
1 - This is the lore discussion channel, not your conspiracy channel.
2 - Your conspiracy is wrong anyways, every year gave us 1 hero of each role.
3 - They had a different character in line to be Sigma. The reason why Sigma was made at the last minute was because the hero they wanted to make was a berzerker, and Sigma's playstyle seemed too smart and calculating, so they instead made a new professor character.
If you're just here to stir shit, you're going to be disposed of.
There are problems with the story, and those could be discussed. What you brought up isn't relevant.
terse oar
The only exception to the one hero per role per year was with Moira and Brig, but even then it was because Symmetra was moved to DPS
Most new heroes aren’t connected to the main story
terse oar
^
limpid agate
There are problems with the story, and those could be discussed. What you brought up isn't relevant.
peak escarp
the lore is written organically, not everything is pre-planned
nobody said that
it was an afterthough
no
he said "If you're just here to stir shit, you're going to be disposed of."
if you have an actual discussion, you're fine
but if you just come in to make statements and cause trouble, that's what gets you kicked
what's your point then?
Sigma's lore does connect to Lucheng Interstellar's space station
so some thought was put into it
terse oar
So we’re not gonna talk about half the characters that aren’t even related?
peak escarp
but again, not everything has to be connected
D.Va has no connection to any other hero
Lucio barely had any connection until we got the novel
Symmetra had no connection to any other hero until Stone By Stone
limpid agate
And Sigma will inevitably have more to do with Winston, and perhaps play a part in the development of OW2 Talon armaments
terse oar
Why do you fear that if you’re gripe is that he’s not connected to the lore?
peak escarp
sounds like you should get some help
I think they did their best to make a new character that fits into the lore, and even used him to tie up an unresolved loose end with the space station that had an accident
considering they had to make him up practically on the spot and only had like 8 weeks to get everything finalized, yeah, they did their best
what did you expect? that they would dig up some deep lore that was hidden somewhere?
I just don't get why this bothers you so much
terse oar
I for one love Sigma’s personality and voice actor
peak escarp
but they did insert him into the lore
I keep telling you
he's tied to the space station accident that has been hinted at on Lijiang Towers since launch
terse oar
They added what people wanted in the lore, a Talon tank, and he’s at least somewhat related to Horizon, which is in turn related to Winston
peak escarp
Breaking News: Interstellar Journey Space Station suffered sudden emergency failure, Tracer and Winston appeared again, is Overwatch back? Ancient Greek statues emerge in Ilios to reproduce the sun.
what I mean is, those hints weren't for him originally, they were just open ended hints left there to get filled in later
and Sigma is that "filled in later"
it's like leaving a spot open when decorating because you don't know what will go there
then you find something that works
there's not much difference between hints and plans
Lijiang Tower hinted at a problem with the space station
and?
what's the problem with that?
it leaves room for future additions, rather than closing things off and having to invent things or retcon them
terse oar
Were you wanting teasers like the disastrous Sombra ARG?
peak escarp
no but it was a hint
then you should have the same problem with Ashe - she was made on a whim because the devs liked her design
it seems like you just don't like things that shake up the gameplay, which isn't the scope of this channel
young knoll
peak escarp
what would be a better story for Sigma?
such as?
it's one thing to come up with ideas, but they have to fit into the lore and be consistent with the universe
most hero concepts I see (the ones that bother to write any lore) always get something wrong
terse oar
It’s one thing to write a good story, but another one to write a consistent story
peak escarp
they also didn't have other people who had to approve everything
producers, directors, head writers
limpid agate
Did I miss anything important in this discussion?
lament prawn
then go show them how perfect you are and get payed for it
complaining wont change anything
peak escarp
Did I miss anything important in this discussion?
not particularly
limpid agate
I think you ignored what I wrote entirely
so they could add in a tank they thought the game needed and that due to their lack of brain nobody in the overwatch team forsaw being needed
You wrote this. I said this isn't what happened.
lament prawn
if there's one thing i learned it's that people that are actually good at something rarely shit on others who do the same thing, shitting on other people's work is never a good sign
peak escarp
no need to resort to insults
limpid agate
@lament plume If you're just gonna insult users and stir shit, you will be disposed of
This is your final warning
This is a discussion channel for the lore of Overwatch.
When I say final warning, that goes to everyone in the channel
If someone insults you, report them
Don't make it worse
We are moving on.
lament prawn
hate all you came up with means you still do that type of work, and if you're admitting to not being the best then your judgement about what is best probably isnt right either
limpid agate
We are moving on.
lament prawn
okay
terse oar
!!movingon
twilit nacelleBOT
Moving swiftly onwards
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
The next chapter of the comic will probably come out next week
I'm not really looking forwards to it anymore
What you did wrong here is ban evasion
Rather than appeal your mute
terse oar
Did he really make another account to get around a mute...
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
peak escarp
I'm not really looking forwards to it anymore
why not? don't see it leading to a new hero anymore?
limpid agate
No, I still do
I just lost all interest in the story.
It's not very good, and each chapter is worse than the last.
peak escarp
fair enough
terse oar
I honestly forgot about the comics
peak escarp
most of them aren't important
they're just a way to introduce the characters
I'd say the important ones are Binary, Masquerade, Old Soldiers, Uprising and Retribution
opaque tundra
I'm only reading the London Calling comics because I love the art and I wanna see how it ends
terse oar
The art is good, but the story isn’t that great imo
It’s definitely leading up to something for BlizzConline though
peak escarp
yeah, I just included the other two because they add context
finite urchin
Yeah that's not what happened
?
finite urchin
Ngl tho
I can really picture sigma as the final boss of overwatch
And tracer would defeat him or some shit
Because, sigma has telekinesis and tracer has chronokinesis, time and space
And, their powers were the result of an accident
It’s kinda like a direct contrast, no?
I have a feeling sigma would be heavily involved with the plot
Ofc this is all a headcanon
terse oar
Sigma wouldn’t willingly fight most likely
finite urchin
now i need this.
🙂
reef basin
finite urchin
she manipulates her own time
Regardless, the fact that both superpowers revolve around manipulating those two elements still stands
finite urchin
Sigma wouldn’t willingly fight most likely
Sigma’s currently being controlled
terse oar
Hes not being controlled, he’s being manipulated
finite urchin
Hes not being controlled, he’s being manipulated
Yes, he wouldn’t willingly fight, but right now his actions are against his will, so what he wants isnt going to play a part in this
Which means it doesnt matter whether sigma would willingly fight or not?
peak escarp
there's no evidence that he's acting against his will
terse oar
He has free will, he can make his own choices
finite urchin
So you think he’d want to be talon’s weapon?
I mean, we can infer that he wouldnt be doing this if it werent for talon’s influence
peak escarp
he's being lied to
finite urchin
Ok
peak escarp
probably being told his research is going to good use
finite urchin
So this means he wouldnt fight tracer, but would do everything else
peak escarp
he doesn't know he's Talon's weapon
peak escarp
he doesn't seem like a violent man
finite urchin
Idk man, it’s just common sense
U gotta learn to know common sense
So i cant really argue rn
terse oar
How is it common sense?
Of the limited lore we have on Sigma, it’s more likely he’s being deceived than being controlled
peak escarp
nope
terse oar
We don’t have enough lore outside of him doing research. We don’t even know if his abilities are canon
peak escarp
the origin trailer was highly stylized
peak escarp
shouldn't be taken at face value
peak escarp
nothing in his description says he fights for Talon on the field
it says he's being used and manipulated
finite urchin
So you’re saying he does no battling with his telekinesis
peak escarp
correct
finite urchin
Correct? Damn
terse oar
It’s not technically telekinesis either
finite urchin
Ok fine “gravity fucking manipulation”
peak escarp
Lucio heals in the game, but doesn't in the lore
things are often different between gameplay and lore
finite urchin
I know that at least
But i find jt hard to believe that you’re saying talon doesnt make use whatsoever of a gravity manipulating dude other than letting him sit in a lab all day
limpid agate
Overwatch didn't use Winston for 4-5 years
peak escarp
he doesn't have complete control over his gravity manipulation
terse oar
We don’t even know his limitations of it either
peak escarp
and his research could eventually let all Talon agents manipulate gravity
limpid agate
Winston was just a scientist that was part of Overwatch for ~5 years too.
Sigma is much more recent
terse oar
and his research could eventually let all Talon agents manipulate gravity
I never thought of that, would be cool to see a PvE unit that could do it
finite urchin
Yeah i brought up a long time back
That the omnic mage in the null sector OW 2 artwork
Could have gravity manip
Bc talon might have shared sigma’s research with them or smth
valid terrace
Also if they let him into the field, he would pretty quickly figure out what Talon really is, whether he's ok with that or not is unknown, but it's a risk they don't need to take for an unstable asset
finite urchin
Wow i never really considered that sigma wasnt being used at all
valid terrace
For all he knows, Talon is the only organization that believes in his research, he may accept a number of their actions to continue studying
We really don't know
He's one of the characters with a fork ahead of them, along with Symmetra, Pharah, Hanzo and some others
limpid agate
I don't think Sigma is developing tech for Null Sector
I don't think either of them are interested in that.
finite urchin
I don't think Sigma is developing tech for Null Sector
i just couldnt think of any other power for them
if you look closely, his staff is shaped like a hexagon
same as sigma's balls
and there seems to be a huge ball floating in the middle of his stomach
finite urchin
i dont think overwatch would be a big fan of summoning
because that's rng based
so what other powers can this dude even have?
peak escarp
it's hard to predict
finite urchin
im just saying doe
summoning lets the computer make the decision, not the player
so, there could be times when summoned minions prioritize wrong targets
limpid agate
The entirety of PvE is the computer making decisions
How is it bad that the computer is making more computers
fathom tartan
so, there could be times when summoned minions prioritize wrong targets
Bob?
limpid agate
If you wanna talk gameplay, there's also other heroes with turrets, which is functionally identical
But that particular character is a PvE enemy
fathom tartan
What is the likeness that moria was a double agent for blackwatch and talon considering that the snipers had weaponized wraith teach as blackwatch was up and moria was an operative
limpid agate
Likely
fathom tartan
But do you think she really leaked much info to either side
I think what was more likely is that she used both to raise her own personal scientific research
peak escarp
if she was on both sides, she was using them
fathom tartan
But did talon use her
It's reminding me of sombra
With the ol who's using who
So is doomfist the highest power in talon or is there something above him
@peak escarp
last inlet
It's likely, but unlike with Sombra, it hasn't been outright stated. Sombra does her own thing and Talon seems to be fine with it so long as she doesn't completely screw them over
With Moira, she doesn't seem to be doing anything that has the same risk as the things that Sombra does
She's just doing research and experiments, looks like. She happens to be doing it with stuff that Talon could use
peak escarp
it's a mutual using
Moira gets "willing" test subjects, Talon gets to use her research
worthy rose
Is blizzard world a canon place
cerulean ice
Is blizzard world a canon place
yes, apparently
finite urchin
But that particular character is a PvE enemy
The mage? How do u know that
cerulean ice
peak escarp
The mage? How do u know that
because they were in a lineup of other Null Sector units
fathom tartan
No one answered my doomfist thing
peak escarp
Doomfist is a member of the Talon council
technically they're all equals, but Doomfist is leading and nobody seems to object
fathom tartan
Isnt moria on the council
peak escarp
yes
cerulean ice
doomfist, sanjay, max, moira, reaper
fathom tartan
Who is sanjay
peak escarp
Symmetra's boss
peak escarp
we don't know if Vishkar is in with Talon or if it's just Sanjay
fathom tartan
But max would technically manage that wouldn't he sense he's like the business handler
cerulean ice
vishkar isnt exactly owned by talon just because sanjay works there
fringe blade
Like Doc said, we don't know how deep the corruption in Vishkar is
peak escarp
I don't think it goes that deep
fringe blade
They have some shady business practices, that's for sure
But if they work for Talon or not is another question
fathom tartan
Well what is Sanjay in vishkar
peak escarp
he's Symmetra's handler, and seems to be management level at least
fathom tartan
What's his like role in talon
fathom tartan
Oh
fringe blade
I'd imagine that he supplies Talon with intel on hard-light developments and such
fathom tartan
I'm assuming talon is split into sections
Like max is business moria is science reaper strike force or reacon
peak escarp
we don't really know how Talon is organized
fathom tartan
Do we know the founding members of talon at all or when it started
peak escarp
nope
cerulean ice
no
fathom tartan
Hm
peak escarp
Maximilien is just the money guy
fathom tartan
Yeah
unreal tartan
We know that talon isn’t a super cohesive organization, as indicated by masquerade. They have competing interests and infighting
fringe blade
Talon was having internal conflicts way before Masquerade too
peak escarp
it's very cutthroat