#lore-discussion

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glad quiver
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you're taking the mick are they actually

thorn moss
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I rarely even see Zarya mains, she’s only really in games if one team has Dva

civic lynx
glad quiver
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I feel like she's just the least fun tank to play as. like yeah she's good but I don't really enjoy playing her

civic lynx
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They want this to be her final rework

thorn moss
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Not like other tanks like rein or mauga

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Venture doesn’t get skins because venture has a lower than 3% pick rate

meager geyser
civic lynx
glad quiver
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they're probably like my favourite dps to play

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whenever flex grants me the blessing to actually play dps at least

thorn moss
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I’ll look it up

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Venture is currently the second least picked hero in the game at 2.8%

glad quiver
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jesus

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I really did not expect that icl

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I'm actually in the mood to go boot up the game and queue dps only for a few games

thorn moss
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Sym is the lowest in the game so far

odd slate
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yesss how are they faring

glad quiver
meager geyser
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Have you ever seen someone say: "I finally got home and have time to play overwatch! I can't wait to play Symmetra!!!"?

glad quiver
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I pick sym when the enemy team has rein/sigma/ram/anyone with a shield of some kind

thorn moss
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It makes sense why characters like mercy and Kiriko get skin since they are constantly in the top most picked heroes. Everyone uses venture as an example of no skins yet no one wants to play venture to justify giving them skins

glad quiver
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oh right no embed perms yet

civic lynx
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I wonder if they are somewhat right (obviously we didn’t get a drop today) and they’ll release drops a bit quicker until mid season in about 2 weeks

spare fox
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I was kind of hoping for a midseason trailer (for the Anniversary event) today but

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guess not

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they'll probably hve the anniversary event the last 2-3 weeks of the season ig

civic lynx
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The Diablo event ends in 13 days I think anniversary/mid season shit will be shown next week

edgy meadow
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considering this is marked for the entire season 2

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also it do be may, i forgot we're already at the half season

torn dagger
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interesting

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does it mean that like

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they would at some point would wish to reunite with doomfist

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orr like be separate people

civic lynx
torn dagger
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doom def aint accepting moira back

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sombra and reaper and widow and doom would be a cute family

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sorry i forgot abt sigma

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and their pet sigma

civic lynx
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She just works for whoever funds her experiments

torn dagger
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oh you mean moira

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i see i see

robust owl
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What did venture have to do with Sombra’s conspiracy hunt? I forget

past copper
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Nothing. She was just there to steal or learn something and Venture just happened to be there

potent briar
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They’re just happy to be (somewhat) included

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I can respect that

peak escarp
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quick and dirty, here's my tierlist of all the moms of heroes seen/mentioned in Overwatch (bonus points if you know who is who - I used icons for moms with no canon visual)

spare fox
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Ooo what about Venture's abuela?

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Oh! And Kendra Woods

peak escarp
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oops, forgot Sierra

spare fox
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Mizuki's mom is also rip

peak escarp
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Venture... I don't know if their Abuela should be counted since we don't know how involved she was in raising them

sonic sierra
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Winston’s ult in the lore is insanely powerful (considering he defeated Doomfist) yet it’s so weak in the game

peak escarp
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Overwatch has a lot of dead moms

sonic sierra
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What is your tier list ranking?

peak escarp
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just rating them on how good of a mother they are

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tbh the standard is pretty low

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basically caring for your kid and loving them puts them in A tier

sonic sierra
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Isn’t there only like Ana, Ingrid, and Kiriko’s mom in the lore?

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I don’t really know many characters that are mothers in the lore

peak escarp
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I found images for all the ones I could

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Ingrid Lindholm (Brigitte), Zahra Sarioglu (Emre), Freja's mom, JQ's mom, Jiayi Teo (Juno), Asa Yamagami (Kiriko), Efi Oladele (Orisa), Kendra Woods (Sierra), Ana Amari (Pharah), Anran and Wuyang's mother, Lifeweaver's mother, and Dr. Mina Liao (Echo)

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Ashe and Genji/Hanzo made the list because although we haven't seen their mothers, we do know enough about them to know that they're trash mothers

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and then all the ones in RIP have dead moms

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(heroes not listed have never had their mother mentioned)

sonic sierra
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Damn I didn’t realize how many characters were mothers

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Anyways I think you should make a tier list of who’s the most powerful Overwatch characters lore-wise next

peak escarp
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that's a lot harder to judge

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since we don't have canonical power levels for most of the heroes

sonic sierra
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To me, I think Sigma, Doomfist, and Winston are top 3

hushed jetty
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sigma is only theoretically up there

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we havent really seen him do anything yet

sonic sierra
hushed jetty
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we've seen him like. levitate a couple balls

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thats abou tit

sonic sierra
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Maybe Winston should be up there too because he defeated Doomfist in his origin story which they stated his gauntlet can level a skyscraper

peak escarp
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somehow it always comes back to "who is the strongest"

sonic sierra
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Yeah I don’t know does Vendetta count as being one of the strongest because she defeated Doomfist as well?

hushed jetty
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i guess?

sonic sierra
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Who would actually be considered the weakest character in the roster lore wise?

peak escarp
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probably Mei or Juno

sonic sierra
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I was honestly thinking Mercy, at least in terms of power

peak escarp
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if you don't count her suit, sure

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but her Valkyrie suit gives her superhuman strength

sonic sierra
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Ok that’s fair, I would say Hanzo, since he uses an objectively outdated weapon, but it’s pretty powerful gameplay wise

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Kinda like how people mock Hawkeye from Marvel in a world where gods and aliens exist

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And I guess his dragons can boost him up a bit higher

peak escarp
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heroes in Overwatch tend to be as strong or as weak as the plot needs them to be

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like, Hanzo is a trained martial artist, proficient with sword, bow and hand to hand combat... but in the short story "Where Honor Lives" he was captured pretty easily by the Hashimoto and Kiriko had to bail him out

sonic sierra
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Yeah I now realize how hard it is to properly scale their power levels

peak escarp
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exactly

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Reaper is a deadly mercenary with spooky wraith powers that make him nearly unkillable... but if he fights Winston he automatically loses

sonic sierra
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I thought Vendetta beating Doomfist was ridiculous because he defeated Genji and Tracer and it took Winston using primal rage to take him down, yet Vendetta who I don’t think is as strong as Winston, or even Genji or Tracer, easily took him down

peak escarp
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she won because the plot needed her to

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and eventually, she'll lose because the plot needs her to

sonic sierra
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Yeah I also think it’s funny how Talon had so many powerful characters like Reaper, Doomfist, Sigma, Widowmaker, Mauga, Moira, Sombra, Emre, etc. and Overwatch has characters like freaking Jetpack Cat

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I don’t see how Overwatch’s roster could ever beat Talon’s without plot armor

hushed jetty
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well there's more of them, for one thing

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if you dont count the unnamed talon grunts

sonic sierra
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Oh yeah I forgot about them

sonic sierra
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I literally don’t see Overwatch’s roster beating them

hushed jetty
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idk about the junkers but the others yes

sonic sierra
hushed jetty
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yeah but we havent seen the result of that yet

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i imagine it'll be a yes but we havent seen it

sonic sierra
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Yeah Overwatch is cooked

sonic sierra
hushed jetty
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ramattra's kinda gone

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he talked to zenyatta and dipped

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but he was never really "working with talon" very much. they were aligned but they never did much together

sonic sierra
hushed jetty
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kinda

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i think talon was kinda just Facilitating null sector. supporting them, if you will

sonic sierra
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Oh but not actually joining forces?

fathom grove
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Yeah no it was more of like a support thing not a joining up fully thing

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Null sector still exists its just a matter of whenever Ramattra wants to come back

odd slate
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he's content to let overwatch and talon fight it out before emerging to finish off the rest

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that's my interpretation

mental sail
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hasty inlet
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Reaper evil

sonic sierra
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Vendetta beating Doomfist was like the dumbest choice of the writers

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I would have bought it more if Vendetta found one of Doomfist’s weaknesses and exploited that but she just straight up overpowered him

naive saddle
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i agree, it’s a shame bc she could have beat him in a more justified and realistic fashion but they had to rush it into a few minutes of animation for the promo, which made it kinda unbelievable

patent moth
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the way she beat him couldve been improved on but i think her defeating him represents the self cannobalising nature of social darwinism

sonic sierra
sonic sierra
naive saddle
sonic sierra
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Like if she had to use speed or stealth or strategy or something

odd slate
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girl came in, swept, and that was that lmao

naive saddle
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OW doesn’t exactly have a stellar track record of accurately portraying relative strength 😭 you kind of just have to take the animations at face value

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theyre more about portraying a moment and a vibe and a message than realistic combat between varying forces and levels of strength

sonic sierra
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Wasn’t it also stated that Doomfist’s gauntlet can level a skyscraper?

civic lynx
naive saddle
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yeah, this is why the animations often feel slightly alienated from written or recorded lore, because it would be rlly hard to depict the same degree of power and a realistic balance between two fighters every time. yeah in previous content doom beat multiple OW agents, but that was because it was his job to be the Big Bad in that era. in this era, his job was to be dethroned, and the plot armour was passed to Vendetta instead

civic lynx
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Doomfist theoretically shouldn’t have lost as easily as he did but they wanted to show vendetta as being so powerful she could easily defeat the person they spent a decade building up as the most powerful threat in OW’s world

sonic sierra
naive saddle
sonic sierra
naive saddle
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the cutting off of his arm, his incredibly powerful weapon that weve seen so much of, was more just a metaphor for taking his power rather than the best strategic move for the battle yknow. the animators where just making it clear who is in control now.

civic lynx
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I would’ve preferred if they spent more time (maybe half/all of this year) setting up vendetta and showing more of her training and learning doom rather than being added to the game and overthrowing doom within 2 months, but clearly they just wanted to kick off this new phase of the game with a brand new storyline

naive saddle
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i’m not saying the realism was all that but it was definitely dramatic and fun 🥰

naive saddle
sonic sierra
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I honestly wish Reaper, Sombra, and Widow were still part of Talon

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They were literally the staples of Talon imo

civic lynx
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It seems with this year they want all heroes to be either OW or talon to fit with the overall theme so S6’s hero (||hivemind?||) may be the one that replaces vendetta or helps doom/whoever the next leader actually is take over

naive saddle
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yeah, there will surely be plot line reasons for all the sides emerging and the various departures from talon too, they won’t just kick them out for the giggles

sonic sierra
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Overwatch sure has a lot of enemies that I’m not even sure they’ll beat without plot armor

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They have Talon and the omnics?

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Plus everyone Vendetta recruited?

civic lynx
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She will eventually end up with nobody to assist her when ow turn the tides

naive saddle
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noooo don’t say that she’s perfect and will rule forever 💔

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jk ur right

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she pushes too hard, and her behaviour polarises people both for and against her. she makes too many enemies to keep her throne

sonic sierra
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That comic with Vendetta shows her recruiting Domina and Vishkar, Ashe and her deadlock gang, Freja, and possibly the junkers

civic lynx
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If Sombra ever gets sigma out of talon her backup option vanishes

sonic sierra
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Oh yeah not to mention she has Sigma and Emre

civic lynx
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Sigma is currently just in containment and vendetta will only use him if absolutely necessary

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If Sombra swipes him from out under her she’s instantly left much weaker

sonic sierra
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Maybe Emre will be her backup

civic lynx
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If the in game interactions are meant to be setting up future lore the junkers alliance will fall apart before it even forms

sonic sierra
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Doesn’t he have that AI controlling his other persona?

civic lynx
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Yes chernobog

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That makes him a loose cannon same as sigma

sonic sierra
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I’m guessing she still has Emre

civic lynx
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But unlike sigma Emre/chernobog actually knows what day of the week it is

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So containment wouldn’t necessarily work instantly

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If Emre/especially chernobog was to go against her commands there’s not much she can do about it

sonic sierra
civic lynx
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Sigma can’t really do anything without assistance and moira probably knows how to keep him in check

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Emre himself is… ig like mostly going to follow orders (?) but chernobog may end up doing more damage than vendetta originally planned for and could disrupt the goal

sonic sierra
civic lynx
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Chernobog seems like it’ll get the job done but it’ll do it in the way nobody could’ve planned for

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Emre himself doesn’t seem to remember what happened when chernobog is in control so while yes the mission is completed he could’ve caused absolute mayhem and never know

sonic sierra
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Yeah Vendetta has like two powerful allies yet I don’t know what characters Overwatch has that can beat them besides Winston and maybe Genji

civic lynx
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With Sombra planning to snatch sigma she only really has 1 with Emre and he can’t always be relied upon

sonic sierra
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Overwatch’s roster is nowhere near as powerful as Talon’s roster tbh

civic lynx
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She’s left in a constant position of being vulnerable if OW or another faction was to somehow interfere with her mission

sonic sierra
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Yeah I wonder how this’ll play out in the later seasons

civic lynx
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I assume we’ll see OW begin to gain on her if mizuki defects from the hashimoto next season and the whole clan begins to fall apart, then s4 finally shows mauga’s junkertown shenanigans and how that went to shit instantly, s5 and 6 I’m not entirely sure what will happen but both of the new characters would probably reinforce the fact she’s not gonna last much longer

noble scroll
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I don’t think they’d send genji to Japan after what’s been going on in currently lore at all though

civic lynx
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Yeah I don’t think genji will go or if he does it won’t be for very long, I’d assume most of s3 will revolve around mizuki defecting to the yokai and s3’s hero/the clan leaders and vendetta going ape shit at their plan being threatened

south torrent
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Ready to hear her voice already I just know she gonna have a peak va

spare fox
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At the spotlight, they did specify that Mizuki was going to OW...

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Now I'm wondering if that'll be in S3 or later

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I'd think S3 but who knows

lean creek
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If magic isnt supposed to exist in the OW verse how the fuck do Wuyang and Anran perform actual Water and Fire bending respectively?

keen summit
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anran is confirmed tech in comics but its likely easier cuz its just in lore yknow, throwing fire around and fanning it

keen summit
dull comet
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I stopped watching OW lore when I quitted back shortly after Orisa release.

Whats the best way to pick up where I left and see where the story is? Seems like theres a lot of twists

peak escarp
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the in-game Story tab will get you caught up on the current plot

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if you want to see older lore, the use the Media tab on the Overwatch website (https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/) or my database (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit?usp=sharing)

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my database includes release dates for everything, so you can pick up right where you left off

latent lark
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Ive been working on organizing a overwatch fanfic that would cover both the null sector Arc and the reign of Talon and right now it's still in the chapter planning phase

  • Zero Hour: Paris, France
  • Resistance: Rio, Brazil
  • New blood: Busan, South Korea
  • Unity: Numbani, Nigeria
  • Liberation: Toronto, Canada
  • Iron Clad: Gothenburg, Sweden
  • Enlightenment: Varanasi, India
  • ???: New York City, USA
  • ???: idk (we don't know where the sixth PVE mission was going to be)
  • ???: Veracruz, Mexico
  • Underworld: London, United Kingdom
  • ???: Lagos, Nigeria
  • ???: idk yet
  • ???: Chengdu, China
  • ???: Buenos Aires, Argentina
  • ???: watchpoint Gibraltar,
  • then whatever happens during overwatch undivided
sonic sierra
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Overwatch Ranking

  1. Echo (potentially)
  2. Winston
  3. Genji
  4. Reinhardt
  5. Sojourn
  6. Anran
  7. Tracer
  8. Wuyang
  9. Mizuki
  10. Brigitte
  11. Lucio
  12. Mercy
  13. Mei
  14. Jetpack Cat
  15. Juno
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Talon Ranking

  1. Sigma
  2. Emre
  3. Doomfist
  4. Mauga
  5. Reaper
  6. Vendetta
  7. Widowmaker
  8. Sombra
  9. Moira
south torrent
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She’s not

sonic sierra
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I don’t really follow Kiriko’s lore all that much

south torrent
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You’re not missing much

sonic sierra
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I like Talon’s lore a lot more than Overwatch if I’m being honest

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The characters are a lot more captivating to me

south torrent
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You’re missing Sierra too 😭

latent lark
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There is implications that both mizuki and Kirko will join OverWatch during season 3, based off the fact that the two of them represented OverWatch during the third week of conquest. And if they were strictly sticking the characters that were a part of OverWatch, they would have probably have just used genji in its place.

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I'm using voice to text which is why OverWatch is spelled weirdly

ember harness
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So what would Ana do if she finds Phara and Mercy are secretly dating

thorn moss
wintry cave
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wintonwinStare

thorn moss
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Winton

meager geyser
ember harness
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Let's hope we get an answer to that question

peak escarp
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reminder that fanfic (even fanfic based on canon) is not the purview of this channel

noble scroll
thorn moss
peak escarp
junior ore
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i think fika has no lore cuz she was released early and her lore is a part of hammonds lore, and she was a rescue hammond saved when he visited luchang intersteller and that evil science lady- he was went there to steal stuff for junkertown but ended up doing some personal work too.

i think we will see in a junkertown story arc, more information about what hammond did after/during the "thoughtless gods" story- and in that story arc i think we will see hammond find her in the files and make the decision to ghost drop fika at watchpoint gibraltars landing bay (where brig first saw her) because dispite his frustration with winston, he thinks she will be safer or happier with him or just the overwatch org in general than the chaotic and frankly dangerous enviorment that junkertown is.

also he dont wana baby sit no kid fika young

edgy meadow
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there would need to be an explanation as to how fika got from the moon to earth, then from australia to gibraltar

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i doubt this is the story behind fika

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its not impossible, i jus doubt it

thorn moss
ruby ridge
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Emre having “unauthorised user terminated” playing for sombra and another unreleased character
And vendetta having “you cannot escape your past” to reaper and another unreleased character

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Wonder if it’s about #them

ruby ridge
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I think it’s the first one

civic lynx
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I think s3 could be the “you can’t escape your past” one just based on vibes

wooden knoll
civic lynx
latent lark
# civic lynx Unreleased characters you say

Convinced that this character is hive mind from OverWatch Declassified. She's the one that got Reinhardt fired from OverWatch. She looks a lot like her beta design from the old OverWatch concept art

noble scroll
civic lynx
noble scroll
civic lynx
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She would be in control of a section of the clan and have a say in what they do

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But not be the leader of EVERYTHING they do

noble scroll
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I’m excited of what she could be like I just genuinely hope she isn’t monotone voice like Mizuki

civic lynx
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She probably sends mizuki bc Kiri is within the region she is meant to be in control of

noble scroll
civic lynx
noble scroll
junior ore
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the very fact she is "young kitty" means luchang or any other org is doing ground tests, or that means a new space base will come into play- which i doubt even more than the explination she was a ground test

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so if ground tests are going on, then i doubt wreckingball dident run into some of those files when he literally raided the company responsible for the original process

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i doubt any other company would have access to the process either- given how they literally started on the moon to keep it secret- meaning it had to be luchang, meaning wreckingball must have saw something in his raid, and i feel like he wouldent turn a blind eye

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and then on the australia to gibraltar- he just crossed continent and stole flight material from luchang- i think he can manage driveing a cat to a base, he likely dident even take her to australia- he would have most likely taken her straight from her labs to gibraltar, but he could have taken her to junkertown and realized it wouldent work- that part could go anywhere rlly

spare fox
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I get the speculation that Fika is an experiment but... I just don't see it

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it would require so many big, big reaches that we just don't have any evidence for

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plus, yet another experimental animal... I mean I can see them adding more once the Lucheng/HLC story becomes relevant again (and we have far more heroes in game)

brittle sky
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i mean I'd trade a good 80% of any one ow2 release char to get hypatia or whoever else from the colony, in terms of what's interesting for both narrative arcs and cast variety.

junior ore
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i mean i kinda get that but whats the bigger reach, shes literally just an unexplainable cat, or shes one of the established existing modified animals created by the evil intelligent animal making corporation

ive thought about it and i really think its the most logical step, could you explain what one of the many, big, reaches that could be there that arent just a "they havent said it yet" think- i feel like i dident really make a reach- i just connected whats in the lore, what they have wrote recently- and what is the logical path of least resisitance that could happen in the lore that they could have not said anything about yet

brittle sky
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leaving her unexplained as a 'just remember the meme, don't think about it hard enough that it's animal abuse' may well be what they're doing (and if they are explaining her behavior more, it could be something other than horizon), but it would be quite the disappointing bunt if so.

peak escarp
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the devs have also said they didn't want to do another "escaped science experiment" backstory with Fika

junior ore
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thats a good argument do u remember where they said that

peak escarp
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let me see if I can find it

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"We already have two animal characters in the game," he explained. "Winston's basically a human, he was very intelligent as an ape. And then Hammond, he's actually very intelligent. He just speaks through his robot. So we also wanted a cat not to be that. It's not another animal that had some scientific experiment that made [her] smart. [...] People who own cats, you realize [that] we feed them, we change their little box, we allow them to sit in our laps. They're smarter than they appear. We wanted to inject that. How do we make this cat that looks suspiciously smart, basically?"

junior ore
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danng i dident know they said they they really going with just a cat

brittle sky
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they're coy about it often saying it's suspicous, which has helped fuel ongoing speculation

junior ore
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i dont buy it they gonna switch up but thats just my personal opinion cant state that as fact

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but yeah my theroy effectivly disproven i guess

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for now

brittle sky
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I mean, I think part of the reason people are so ready to speculate is that the alternative - this is just a cat - feels simultaneously lazy and disinterested in its own world.

junior ore
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i mean it kinda does

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like wheres her shielding then

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she gonna get swisscheesed day one

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well i guess her being genetically bulletresistant is also ridiculous so thats a net zero point nvm

peak escarp
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all the humans in Overwatch are bullet resistant too

junior ore
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yeah they just play cover in lore so like she would learn that too

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still tho its irresponsible of brig to not put shielding on her but that would mud the designn

brittle sky
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I mean, suspension of disbelief of tanking bullets is one thing (that's just the reality of any shooter), but saying a cat can reliably operate machinery to achieve battlefield objectives it has no way of understanding and no real motivation to do is my bigger hangup.

junior ore
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honestly not to kinda switch sides but if u got purrfect luck i think its possible to get a jetpack cat especially in the future- some cats are really smart- and some rats even drive cars in labs for fun after being trained with treats- in a real life senario even now in the "past" of overwatch world governments could definately get a cat to fly something if we trained them with treats and found the perfect cat, probably good dieting- the biggest hang up is teaching the cat to use the joystick to fly- i suppose using a glove to temporarily attach the paw to the stick and let her figure it out paw forward means forward in a gaurdrailed trainer machine or simulation

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but theres even like brainwave tech that can pick up when ur thinking of something, so u can think of forward and it can pick that up its real u can google it some youtuber drove a car with it once, that would be more feasable with the cat than the joystick

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give it treats when it shoots moving targets

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the bullets have a dual effect with intent

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so maybe it does pick up on fikas feelings towards the target

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or at least some future version of friendly signals used in real military combat planes and stuff- the operating system you can hear probably just scans for friendly and non friendly signals that each agent wears and changes the effect based on that- meaning her combat training can really just consist of "shoot humanoid target for treats"

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and then teach her to hide from unfamiliar faces and to stay well behind friendly faces, shes a support not a dps- in lore she would always be put in the safest possible area close to the exfil with zero expectations but that she shoots at you to heal u and be cute

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from there if the cat is smart enough through enough simulations she could even learn to avoid snipers or sniper angles cats have good eyesight like they watch birds n stuff

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i think she uses buttons for up and down which should be easy to grasp

dull kestrel
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I'm glad to see people are still talking about Overwatch lore after all these years.

wind wind
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ofc

meager geyser
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That explains the absolute demon part

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And Lovtacft did in fact had a thing with cats

odd slate
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fika being a lovecraftian cat monster would be SO funny

peak escarp
#

didn't Marvel already do that?

odd slate
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with goose

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she's not a cat, she's a species that looks like a cat

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same difference i guess

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not like it's unusual for media to do the same troupes

odd slate
#

oh is it orisa's birthday today?

south torrent
odd slate
#

aw

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happy birthday orisa OrisaHappy

wooden drift
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I hate orisa too much to be happy for her

brittle sky
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Well that's a take. I guess if you're all "acab includes the defender of numbani"

edgy meadow
#

probably hates orisa bc tanky horse that doesnt die

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and not lore wise

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if i had to make an educated guess

past copper
#

Can't wait to these skins make the scene

viscid ether
#

The vendetta one is so tough

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Swinging around a barbell in game would be sick

odd slate
#

that wuyang skin is so good to me

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i realllylyy hope we get it

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the ram maid skin is so cute too!!

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slaying chores and housework

noble scroll
#

i think its confirmed that we'll be getting at least ram and wuyang

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not sure abt vendetta

odd slate
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i hope!!

edgy meadow
#

the belts around ven's waists is some guilty gear ahh bullshit 😭

odd slate
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lmaoo

spare fox
#

Ngl I wonder if that's going to be an emote too

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I could see the Ram one too tbh

keen summit
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highlight intro id presume

spark blaze
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But yes it certainly so cool

spare fox
#

Ha! I called it!

odd slate
noble scroll
odd slate
#

PLEASEEEE

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LET THEM ALL BE A FAMILY

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I BEG YOU BLIZZARD

spare fox
#

Oh hey the person who made that was in this channel, they were asking me abt it

#

We know Mizuki is going to be in OW but it hasn't happened yet

#

I'll eat my phone if Kiriko doesn't wind up in OW as well

#

I kinda think/hope Junkrat is going to wind up in or detained/"detained" by Overwatch just bc of voicelines and such... I'm split between Roadhog too but I kind of think Roadhog's going to wind up working for the Queen again

#

Hazard/the Phreaks is real interesting...

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they would HATE to work with either of them BUT I think the fact that Hazard is more entangled with Moira than he thinks is going to come up and be an interesting story

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might even be putting "I'd rather die than work for the likes of you" to the test

dry pebble
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I like that they changed the orb and projectile colors unlike other skins actually

odd slate
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yeah bro's chilling now

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no need to fight for omnics, he can slay germs instead

proven timber
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I wonder since we didn't see doomfist body after the window I reckon he's either climbed onto something or he's swam away to somewhere safe where Vendetta doesn't know.

spare fox
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Yeah atp I'll be MORE surprised if Doomfist is actually dead lol

dry pebble
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And Bastion as child

dry pebble
#

Maybe a mask perhaps, from what i can tell this isn't a regular firefighter. Rather than some tech themed

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Pretty solid skin that has correlation with his abilities i think i'm kinda on less amount of equipments it has compared to its base design

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I wish he had some burn marks too actually

odd slate
#

im just happy someone i play regularly is getting attention at all

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he could easily be in a situation where he doesnt get skins or like mizuki where, although he fits the typecast of characters that would sell skins easily, isn't getting any

dry pebble
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I just wishing them to be quality instead of thirsttrap

noble scroll
spare fox
noble scroll
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a fight between hanzo and the hashimoto lady would be pretty cool too imo

spare fox
#

I'm interested in if S3 is going to be the all-out defeat of the Hashimoto

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Bc if not then they need to reinforce them as an actual threat

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Bc frankly, yeah we're told they have a stranglehold on Hanamura/Kanazaka but they're depicted as kinda inept

noble scroll
noble scroll
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argument isnt rthe right word sorry i got distracted more like.. disagreement?? feud??

spare fox
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Overwatch is going to something to do with it, if just to get/ rescue Mizuki

noble scroll
peak escarp
#

accepting Mizuki doesn't mean he's chill with the Hashimoto

noble scroll
spare fox
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Yeah I'm confused by the meaning here

peak escarp
#

I don't think he would immediately accept Mizuki - he would be skeptical about him

spare fox
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Mizuki is in the hashimoto but he's hearing for a change of heart

noble scroll
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yeah thats what i mean i think i could've just said. i hope they keep that up uhh im not very good at describing things thats mb

spare fox
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What if there's a twist and the S3 hero isn't the Hashimoto boss but is actually a deep undercover trying to take them out from the inside

peak escarp
#

I don't think she's the Hashimoto boss

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or even the boss in charge of Kanezaka, because we've seen him

spare fox
#

Yeah everyone's expecting the boss

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I think it'd be interesting to see some kind of mole or similar character

noble scroll
peak escarp
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I could see that

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hoping for an older character though

noble scroll
#

i only hope not cause i want it to be an older character too, apparently according to leaks she looks like a fem version of cassidy

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at least from what ive heard but then again leaks can be wrong

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(they were wrong abt sierra at least to some degree)

spare fox
#

I was under the impression that the leaks saying she's a female Cassidy meant her kit - however much of the leaks you want to believe

noble scroll
#

her kit sounds like it'll be fun though, hoping her design is sick

peak escarp
#

it would be very weird for a Japanese character to look like a femme Cassidy

spare fox
#

Yeah

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Especially since her silhouette really doesn't either

noble scroll
#

it would yeah that was my main thing abt it too, it probably was just kit and Im thinking abt smthn else

spare fox
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Just the gun holsters I guess?

noble scroll
#

yeahh I guess people just thought it was alike in some versions of it

spare fox
#

Personally, I never believe leaks bc the leakers always get random things right and the rest is so far off base it's like... what?

noble scroll
#

ppl assumed sierra would’ve been deadlock .. which I personally like that expansion of helix much more

brittle sky
#

did helix get expanded?

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She's still nominally working for them, but we learned pretty much nothing new about them, and her motives are a mixture of aligning with ow and her own thing.

keen summit
spare fox
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Idk this is based solely on me speculating she's not a villain-villain

#

She very well could be a straightforward villain and that's that

keen summit
#

same with how i kinda want an australian hero not from the junkers, from the richer parts who might be anti junkers, some variety. tho i do still secrelty kinda hope shes an omnic somehow cuz itd be a nice contrast

grim condor
#

Are Mercy and Ana on bad terms because of the biotic rifle?

grand wedge
#

Mercy didn’t like that her tech was use on a sniper riffle

spare fox
#

I don't think they're on "bad terms" - neither is she with Torb - but yeah like was said, she didn't like that her tech was used on a weapon after she explicitly laid out the condition that it couldn't

#

relationships are complicated

brittle sky
#

Mercy being mad about the fundamental militarism of ow broadly and the horrific weaponization of her healing tech specifically has been largely dropped, at least for the moment, as thinking about that might make the iconic healer of the game very reasonably quit the main group.

brittle sky
spare fox
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just thought it would be an interesting spin

#

Mizuki isn't really an infiltrator in the Hashimoto though

brittle sky
#

Eh, we've yet to see someone represent the actual antagonist faction of the shimada ecology. Probably shouldn't have the second hashimoto affiliated one also not actually rep them.

spare fox
#

true, unless they're looking to wind down the hashimoto-shimada story, maybe S3 will be a major defeat for the hashimoto with the help of OW

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story-wise, OW has been experiencing a lot of losses lately since the Null Sector retreat, maybe this'll be a win for them?

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between losing Gibraltar, the IJC ruling to shut them down, losing both the weapons AND the serum from Grand Mesa, maybe taking down a crime org could be something for the "win" column

brittle sky
#

Ijc is a soft ruling that they'll clearly turn around.

#

And nuking a major ecology just as they're adding new character seems an odd choice. Set your stage, then take a beat to escalate it, then you conclude it.

spare fox
#

yeah we know that the IJC is going to turn around the ruling but OW needs to prove itself to earn that in the narrative

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and so far, they haven't had much success with that

brittle sky
#

Playing the hits of their predecessor of brutally massacring another Japanese crime org. Surely this time it'll be good and healthy for the community rather than destabilizing the local underworld and encouraging worse players to step in, because unlike the shimada, the hashimoto are kind of tacky.

keen summit
#

Went from legit part to turning on them not publicly

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While meant to infiltrate the yokai he now is starting to be with the yokai and against hashimoto

spare fox
# brittle sky And nuking a major ecology just as they're adding new character seems an odd cho...

you're not wrong here, it just seems like the Hashimoto aren't this huge faction within the overall narrative. They weren't even named until Kiriko's intro, and compared to other Big Bad factions, they've received a bit of stage-setting and escalation, too, between the Kiriko cinematic, two short stories, a manga, plus the intro of Mizuki... I'm not saying it's leading to a climax or a sunset of the Hashimoto as a whole but with a new season focusing on them as villains, it has to be leading to some kind of turning point

keen summit
#

Or if u meant that with intro as her first introduction

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I just hope we get a leader of hashimoto once like actual main leader and its a high tech omnic contrasting the whole traditional stick shimada had, tho my headcanon version is kinda far fetched but Id like that theming

brittle sky
spare fox
# keen summit Mizuki is reverse infiltrator

yeah I understand that, but the point I was referring to was that he's not infiltrating the Hashimoto
I speculated that S3 hero could potentially be a Hashimoto infiltrator
Pete countered that by saying Mizuki already kinda is (referring moreso that he's going to be a turncoat/"good guy")
I was making a point that Mizuki isn't infiltrating the Hashimoto, however

keen summit
#

As of how mizuki is kinda reversed. Hes a infiltrator for the hashimoto, but is now Turning into more allued with the yokai and by extension overwatchs side so instead hes kinda starting to become it without being it

spare fox
#

plus, from a meta-storytelling standpoint, I can just see them (writers/c-suite) wanting Kiriko to be officially in Overwatch, but they can't exactly do that if she's needed by the Yokai - so I'm theorizing that S3 will see a moderate win for the Yokai/Shimada, with the Hashimoto at least subdued for now

#

plus, in all we've seen so far of the Hashimoto, the yokai (and even Kiriko on her own in several instances) have managed to win against the Hashimoto... now with Hanzo and OW on their side I could see the tides turning on the Hashimoto's hold on the region

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plus the fact that the locals also don't like the Hashimoto - if they're brought to justice locally (instead of what OW has done in the past) and Hanzo is allowed to take his father's place... again a win

spare fox
#

I was just doing some calculations and IF they plan on releasing S4 on the tuesday after Blizzcon (IF), then S3 is going to be a loooooong season

#

13 weeks

high granite
edgy meadow
#

the hashimoto get a big win on the yokai and the shimada which gets kiri to cross path with overwatch and join them out of desperation

#

especially if said win happens bc of mizuki's confliction

spare fox
#

Ooo that's got potential too

#

I just don't see them writing another L for OW as a faction so soon

brittle sky
#

So question that seems like it might be sarcastic but is genuine - what does blizz gain by kiriko joining ow? A chance for her to interact with the other new recruits in canon?

spare fox
#

Yeah that, plus a money-making fan fav character to be part of the front- and-center story

edgy meadow
spare fox
#

similar thing with Mercy and Juno

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as was said a bit earlier today, Mercy is opposed to OW's use of her tech

#

and Juno... she's just not a combatant hell she's never so much as swatted a fly until a few months ago, why is she in OW other than being under the "supervision" so to speak, of Mei?

#

Rule of Cool, simply put

brittle sky
#

I mean before Juno, Mei herself raised a similar concern

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"welcome, traumatized climatologist! You were in a coma for ten years, and by benefit of us finding you before anyone else, you have automatically rejoined our very illegal paramilitary, now go shoot some bad guys. And no we will not dedicate resources to your old work or retrieving your friends' corpses"

  • Winston, hero of overwatch.
spare fox
#

I mean, yeah pretty much except Mei did voluntarily answer the recall lol

civic lynx
#

NEW LORE DROP

spare fox
#

EYYY

civic lynx
#

THIS FINALLY RELEASED

odd slate
#

where

#

oh

#

lemme restart my game

civic lynx
odd slate
#

"questionable ethics" no shit with moira 😭

spare fox
#

"questionable ethics" way to graywash it lol

civic lynx
#

The lore drop is currently unplayable

#

Give the small indie company time

odd slate
#

stop the shimada brothers 1 is so cute

#

stooop

civic lynx
#

I wonder if he’s getting a comic

#

Like they did with soldier

odd slate
#

ugh the what if skin

#

PRIDEWEAVER OMG????

spare fox
#

ok I know the 21 anniv recolors are getting a lot of hate, but like the textures on them are soooo cool

civic lynx
#

They’re locked behind lootboxes

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We have to laugh

brittle sky
# edgy meadow what does blizz gain by having anran and wuyang join overwatch or having reaper ...

I mean them leaving talon was just following the logic of the changing of the guard (though widow might just be a reason to progress her character arc?). Kiriko, unlike anran and wuyang, don't need a 'so what' for why they're in the game, why they're shooting hamsters in blizzard world. Given there's no playable pve, it's not like we need to concentrate all our eggs in one basket (though the ow v. talon framing seemed rather like trying to consolidate). Narrative resources to side ecologies can be done alongside ones to the main overwatch fight, and that split actually lets you focus ont he most relevant characters, rather than have a glut of like 18 people who each get like two panels, as we see in united.

odd slate
#

i think these new skins look so cool

#

oughh

#

im gonna see if i can get ra ana

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rana if you will

civic lynx
#

It won’t let me select it for some reason

odd slate
#

yeah

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probably a bug for rn

#

id give it some time

#

DAMN i dont want to spend more money but these what if skins

#

ughhhhh

civic lynx
#

The what if skins won’t be added to lootboxes btw eggdog

odd slate
#

loverwatch mauga what are you doing

odd slate
#

i want wuyang's and ram's

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despite not going to use ram's

#

i think it's silly

#

THE TOILET CHARM HAHA

#

how long will they stay for i wonder....

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i can wait till i get paid i think

#

safely anyway

#

date night genji <3

brittle sky
spare fox
#

it's already vanished again :/

slow wasp
spare fox
#

it's gone 🙁

slow wasp
#

WHAT

#

MY BELOVED

#

I NEED THAT LORE DROP

civic lynx
#

That’s 2 times now they’ve accidentally leaked it

#

😭🙏🏽

slow wasp
#

😭

odd slate
#

ow classic mode sucks holy shit
ik it's not related to lore that much but people miss this?

#

so thankful for what we have now

brittle sky
#

which era of classic they on now?

odd slate
#

i assume on release

#

mercy revives everyone, sym portals are different/she's support, genji is insane, dva can be shredded very easily

#

you can play multiples of the same character

brittle sky
#

oh yeah, classic classic

#

all torb or all mei teams

odd slate
#

4 stack healers, bastion, mei

spare fox
#

honestly the only people who love OW classic are the ones who proudly proclaim how they don't play OW anymore lol

#

give it 2 days the q times for it will be 25+ min

odd slate
#

knocking out these garbage challenges now so i never have to touch this crap again

civic lynx
#

Week 2 is that fuck ass gun game ltm from Halloween terror

odd slate
#

gun game?

#

junkenstein?

#

WHY DOES IT TAKE EONS TO RELOAD

civic lynx
odd slate
#

if the challenges can be completed during any of these weeks then fuck this game mode

#

gonna go back to regular games

#

on a better note if anyone has the anniversary poster art png please send it my way

odd slate
#

mobile wont let me check requests fir some reason

noble scroll
odd slate
#

@noble scroll

noble scroll
odd slate
noble scroll
#

where is hanzo’s second dragon that’s his baby </3 /j

noble scroll
odd slate
#

its very cute

spare fox
#

who is nunu?

odd slate
#

someone's dog ig

#

could be a dev pet

spare fox
odd slate
#

susie rep haha

#

the sprays are pretty nice honestly ZoeyThink

spare fox
#

apparently DVA's cardboard also gets a recolor?

#

hahaha

civic lynx
#

S3 would be June-early/mid August then BlizzCon is like a couple weeks after s4 begins

ruby ridge
#

The ppl yearn for gay brigitte

#

How interesting that moira lore is truly coming out

civic lynx
edgy meadow
#

this isnt new

edgy meadow
sacred dagger
#

not sure if anyone’s mentioned this but it seems doomfist might be alive

#

new spray gave him a goatee

shrewd pivot
#

Holy cow the shop is stacked this update
Hype for that Moira comic,,,

brittle sky
robust owl
#

Man I wish archives would’ve returned for the 10 year anniversary event but it isn’t advertised in the announcements
I get that they have a new engine and that’s why they couldn’t do archives but I thought they could’ve fixed it by now, it’s been a few years :(

#

Or instead a new archives event for more lore instead of the same ones

spare fox
#

I'm afraid they want to distance themselves as far away from anything PvE as possible... 😭

peak escarp
#

sadly

#

despite the relaunch being the perfect opportunity

mortal heart
robust owl
#

Surelyyyyyyyyyyy they drop it for a surprise 4th week 😭 (all the air in my body is replaced by copium)

robust owl
#

IT’S JUST TOO PERFECT

#

AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE DOING MORE LORE SO IT WOULD BE PERFECT TO DO IT NOW

mortal heart
#

Honestly they should just make the invasion bundle free for everyone, and give those who bought it some shop coins and maybe a skin.

I doubt many people are still actually buying it still

#

Then maybe there would be enough of a playerbase for matchmaking to work

#

Oh and make the Underworld mission permanently available

robust owl
#

Nah I think they needed to hang that shit up ages ago 💔 it should’ve been a free ltm like the archives

#

No mode like that would EVER have a consistent player base past the first few weeks

#

Not even archives

mortal heart
#

You're right but there's no way to make it limited time now so why not make it free during the anniversary event

#

I'm also salty I never got to play Underworld

robust owl
#

Yuh

mortal heart
#

Anything extra would make this event better lol

robust owl
#

It feels kinda..lackluster lol
For a 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY??? You’d think they’d redo archives and run all of the OW Classics in a row (at least more than two)

#

I get other anniversaries being like this but the 10 year one is just too big of a milestone

mortal heart
#

Event focus feels like it's shifting from "here are cool things to do in the game" to "here are a ton of shop bundles"

#

Normally it's whatever, but they really hyped up the 10 year anniversary in February

merry mason
#

Yeah it feels like there were other anniversaries that were better than this

mortal heart
#

The season 1 event was great and they could have just done something similar tbh

robust owl
#

Yeah

mortal heart
#

I don't know if I'll ever lose the hope (cope) that they'll bring archives back, so I'll probably just keep shooting myself in the foot

peak escarp
#

I have hope that they will bring it back some day

robust owl
#

Same

fallow knot
#

i think if venture was real, THEY could be an actual overwatch fan XD

peak escarp
#

they

fallow knot
sullen girder
#

I just had a thought, in the mirrorwatch universe, would venture be a junker or work for talon?

peak escarp
#

I'd love to see Junker Venture

fallow knot
#

em, any theories of how the reing of talon storyline could continue?

peak escarp
#

we're going to see the rest of Vendetta's plan play out

#

the attack on Grand Mesa to steal the serum and make supersoldiers, her alliance with the Hashimoto, trying to get the Junkers on her side, etc.

#

they showed it all in Vendetta's comic

robust owl
#

definitely continuing with the helix mountain prison map in the next season IIRC!
I think sierra’s mom could be in there too. It would solve the mystery of where she is and it would make sense that Helix would imprison her, they could be the ones that were searching for her

peak escarp
#

the map next season is the Japan map

mortal heart
#

I'm excited to see how they merge everything with the conspiracy

#

For Undivided readers there's a promo going on where reading 5 episodes gets to a lootbox

#

You can go through old ones again if you already read them all

rancid meadow
#

Hello folks, did some of you read episode 9, of the Overwatch "undivided" Webtoon?

#

If you finished it, you'll know something very interesting is going to happen in the future of the world of "Overwatch."

rancid meadow
peak escarp
#

people can find it on their own

rancid meadow
#

Understood, sir.

peak escarp
#

not a sir

rancid meadow
#

Right, please excuse me, my friend,

#

I am rather new here.

#

So I didn't know if you were a mod, or smth.

peak escarp
#

I'm a reddit mod, which gives me priviledges here

#

also you can find my pronouns in my profile

rancid meadow
#

Oh, understood.

#

Sorry about that.

#

Uhmm, may I ask you, if you read episode 9 of the webtoon?

peak escarp
#

yes

rancid meadow
#

It's really interesting, especially, it's ending.

peak escarp
#

I'm currently on ep 14

rancid meadow
#

I'm not gonna mention specifics, because it's....

#

WHAT

peak escarp
#

you can pay to unlock more episodes

rancid meadow
#

I'm still stuck on ep 9 😭

#

Ik that

#

I only figured that out a few like...

#

40 minutes ago.

mortal heart
#

Ep 14 we meet an exciting new character 🤭

rancid meadow
#

When I woke up, and saw that the episode came out....

#

DON'T SPOIL IT

#

PLEASE

#

I BEG YOU.

mortal heart
#

Not gonna say anything else don't worry:)

rancid meadow
#

I HAVEN'T PAID FOR THE NEW EPISODES

#

😭

rancid meadow
#

Well, if it's not anything specific.....

#

I'll forgive you.

mortal heart
#

Sorry it was a joke it's genuinely not anything big!!

rancid meadow
#

Oh, well, I don't understand sarcasm, very quickly.

mortal heart
#

No worries!

rancid meadow
#

If I may tell you a personal thing, I'm actually on the spectrum. Considered high on the Spectrum, but still..... It gives me a few debuffs/ things I gotta work harder in order to understand/ do.

#

Like.

#

It's not the channel for it, so I won't state specifics,

mortal heart
#

If you did want to pay for the newer episodes it would be 217 coins to get all them to the end

rancid meadow
#

But I'm like a normal person.

mortal heart
#

You're all good don't worry about it:)

peak escarp
#

I'm not surprised

peak escarp
#

a lot of people here are on the spectrum

rancid meadow
#

IT WAS 7 COINS PER EPISODE

rancid meadow
peak escarp
#

there's like 40 episodes

mortal heart
#

217 would cover you through the end

#

They really cheap the first time you buy coins too iirc

rancid meadow
#

Well.... My childhood dream is to be a rather famous cook/baker, but my current dream it to draw, write, and publish one manga series.

#

And so, I am paying for manga drawing tutoring lessons....

#

MY current dream is to have an actually popular anime adaptation

#

Rivalling MHA, One Piece, Bleach,

#

And those kinds of shonen.

#

Perhaps, more rivaling MHA, and bleach, and also like.....

peak escarp
#

don't get ahead of yourself, one step at a time

rancid meadow
#

Ofc, I know.

#

That's why I only started two pages,

#

And figured out, I should start learning to draw professionally.

#

So I hired a tutor.

#

Wanna see my 2 pages, before I hired a tutor?

peak escarp
#

also, try to keep the discussion in this channel on topic

rancid meadow
#

I will.

#

I'll post it somewhere else, if I may?

#

is there any unofficial art channel in this server?

#

If not, I could just show you in DMs......?

#

If you're interested, I mean.

peak escarp
#

I'm not interested

rancid meadow
#

UNderstood.

#

So, thank you very much for your time.

#

Have a good day.

#

Sorry for bringing the channel into off-topic mode.

sonic sierra
#

If Overwatch got the Arcane treatment and got their own TV series, who would the story center around?

peak escarp
#

they would do something similar to Undivided, and focus on one of the younger heroes

sonic sierra
mortal heart
#

Has a clear motive she's working towards, as well as existing relationships to tie into other factions (overwatch through soldier 76, talon through Sombra)

robust owl
# peak escarp the map next season is the Japan map

I could’ve sworn there was supposed to be a helix-owned prison on a mountain for a map. But maybe I’m mistaking it for watchpoint grand mesa. There was supposed to be some big mech frozen in it or something? I don’t remember :(

peak escarp
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there's a prison map coming, but later in the year

robust owl
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I seeee

peak escarp
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I think it's set in Iceland?

sonic sierra
robust owl
sonic sierra
robust owl
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I like how the new maps seem to carry very significant new lore importance

mortal heart
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I hope we're getting more short stories soon

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Actually has anyone here read the overwatch novels? Was thinking about checking them out

peak escarp
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they're quite good

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if you can, get the audiobook versions

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they're read by the VAs

snow summit
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can earthling procreate with martian in overwatch universe?

meager geyser
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Very specific question

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I guess you're talking about Juno

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You know she's still a human right?

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She only larps as an alien

snow summit
robust owl
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Almost all of them are bangers, especially the new Cass one bc Matt Mercer is never not a treat to hear

mortal heart
mortal heart
keen summit
snow summit
odd slate
raw swan
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It pretty much alligns with an lore im working on

shadow salmon
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Realistically how much would it cost to make a overwatch TV show do yall think with the quality of the Cinematics cos the lore is actually eating away at my soul

odd slate
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dunno

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the cinematics we get are already few and far between compared to what we used to get

noble scroll
odd slate
ruby ridge
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And they’re what, around 8 minites?

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Minutes

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It’s just not really sustainable long term

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It would cost too much and if they don’t have a big funder behind it it can’t work

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And it also conflicts story wise

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OW’s story livelihood relies on being drawn out through years so they can milk each évent

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If they had a series they’d forcefully have to start advancing the story very quickly which isn’t sustainable

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And if by some miracle they resllt went through with it it’d have to be some outsider character without too much impact on the main story so its either

-soldier 76/conspiracy story (might still be too revealy)
-illari (interesting POV but would ultimately end up with sombra, soldier 76 and moira às the only characters basically, so not very overwatchy and more so an illari show)
-hazard/phreaks (and nobody likes them)
-lifeweaver/symettra (but they don’t really have much plot in their stories to create an engaging hook)

odd slate
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i wish we got more for the phreaks

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they're an interesting group within this world

mortal heart
mortal heart
ruby ridge
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If they for example finish the entire vendetta storyline in an 8 episode series then they just used 1 year worth of story content which they wanted to draw out

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They don’t want to finish talon/bull sector plotlines so quick becquse that’s their main hook

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Yes they can introduce another group or another person but it gets repetitive to a degree

solemn reef
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guys what do yall think about doom vs vendtta

spare fox
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As much as I'd love a series, I can also see how - visual media being what it is - it could turn out disastrous
Everything released is Sooooo expensive that it absolutely MUST be a lightning-in-a-bottle hit lest it be declared a disastrous failure

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Thus they'd wind up overly sanitizing and making it bland in an effort to appeal to as many people as possible which would make it not particularly appealing to anyone in particular

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The webtoon comic is good imo, it's a regularly scheduled slice-of-life with action and some character focus

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Idk why everyone has a problem with it being on webtoon... but that shows they'd have a problem if a series was on Netflix/Hulu/Prime so, yeah same problem

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Take the Genesis mini series. It had good information, a good way to present a story, decent-ish animation... but it was bland you have to admit

pastel stirrup
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my issue with the webtoon is they've been picking the most boring shit to show us

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but that's just me

ruby ridge
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It’s a continuous story from day to day

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They’ll stick with this snail pace

civic lynx
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Tbh I think the whole point of the webtoon is to be frequent yet small/somewhat insignificant lore

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The motion comics and origin stories for new heroes will be when they actually make big reveals

spare fox
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Me when last night's was just JPC filler

pastel stirrup
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yea filler

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that's the word i was looking for

spare fox
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And like, I know I shouldn't complain, it's regular lore

pastel stirrup
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slow pace =/= filler

spare fox
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But... you guys have enough to not focus a whole episode on JPC flying around being a menace

pastel stirrup
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yea exactly

civic lynx
solemn reef
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GUYS GUYS

ruby ridge
spare fox
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A few episodes ago Sojo had mercy and Genji and rein and Mei and a few others suit up. I want to see what they're doing- not jpc's origin for the 4th time

solemn reef
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in April fools doomfist voice line got changed to and dey say DOOMFIST is dead

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now im no smart guy but that means something

civic lynx
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That something being them leaving the door open for him to return when they’re done with vendetta

solemn reef
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honestly vendetta shouldn't even win in the first place

spare fox
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Like I keep saying, atp I'd be more surprised if he's actually dead

civic lynx
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We’ve known for years ow uses plot armour to get certain outcomes

solemn reef
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doom in ow1 adaptes to tracer. defeated tracer. defeated genji. and almost defeated WINSTON

civic lynx
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Vendetta having it to pack up doom isn’t exactly out of the ordinary

solemn reef
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its doom

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literally everyone is scared of him

pastel stirrup
civic lynx
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Doom has been shown actually fighting a whopping 1 time and it was most likely stylised to look cooler than it actually was

solemn reef
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he has the gauntlet

pastel stirrup
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you don't rlly learn anything new abt anran or wuyang by watching them train and anran kicks ass and wuyang does bad and feels like shit abt it etc. cuz we already saw all this in their origin stories

spare fox
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And every nth character has a faked/should be dead story... which is fine ngl, very comic-super hero

civic lynx
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They also set it up with in game lines saying doom is getting rusty

pastel stirrup
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at best it's abt developing wuyang and juno's dynamic

solemn reef
civic lynx
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Doom was designed to be potential man with loads of aura and possible feats of strength that we never really see

spare fox
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I think they're focusing on Juno, Anran, and Wuyang to give the outsider new guy perspective- a good intro point to start with

solemn reef
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powerscaling is ahh

civic lynx
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His fight was done quickly just to get him out the way for vendetta

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I’ve said for a while I think vendetta and all future villains will be thrown out in the exact same way doom was

solemn reef
civic lynx
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The new villain rocks their shit within 3 minutes and boom they’re the new big bad now

solemn reef
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honestly idk man like its getting worse with the new cinematics

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ow1 was absolute cinema

civic lynx
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I think it’s just bc live service games don’t really have the ability to make drawn out stories and villains

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With how short people’s attention spans are now villains essentially have to be a revolving door and as soon as they’re introduced they need to be this apocalypse level threat or people tune out

wise grotto
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Power scaling in a series that doesn't care about power scaling always ends up being ass let's be real

pastel stirrup
# spare fox I think they're focusing on Juno, Anran, and Wuyang to give the outsider new guy...

yea i can see that
i just don't want the focus to stay on them for too long cuz i feel like there have already been several occasions where like you said, i would much rather be watching what someone else is up to

like for example winston's basically a background character when the story is about his literal home being destroyed, and athena being killed is told to us in retrospect as exposition instead of us seeing his pov when it happens.....

and instead they choose to portray juno as the person who somehow has a super big attachment to gibraltar now just from being there a few months

spare fox
pastel stirrup
# spare fox To be fair, Juno's past experience does have an effect on her reaction to Gibral...

honestly i dislike the direction they've take her character in general (prolly even outside of the webtoon) cuz it feels like her original goal of rescuing her parents and everyone on mars has been shafted for what's a very repetitive shallow arc.

and it definitely doesn't work for someone who they've chosen as the protagonist. you can summarise the whole webtoon with:
juno has a panic attack every time she has to do something hard, but eventually succeeds anyway because she uses the advice someone gave her

there isn't much to distinguish between her reaction to having to leave gibraltar vs when she had to fix the comms vs when she had to shoot the talon guy to save lucio, etc.

civic lynx
spare fox
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ah ok, so the in-game voicelines are all lined up with the current Undivided comic

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which means that Sojo and the Grand Mesa events are going on concurrently with that

meager geyser
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This fraud didn't win a single on screen battle

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They even pulled a classic shonen trope on him where the previous powerful villain gets killed by a new villain to show that this new guy is even more powerful and ruthless then the previous guy

peak escarp
odd slate
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wonder if we'll get any payoff for athena's deletion or if that'll be rectified within the next few chapters/subsequently forgotten

spare fox
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And I wonder how Echo feels about that- and like

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It also makes Echo an even greater target without Athena

odd slate
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she has some of the same information athena did right?

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or something

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im not 100% sure which is why i ask

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also all these 2016 maps

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im so lost

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i dont know hanamura at all

spare fox
odd slate
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right

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wonder if that will be a point or not

odd slate
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as in if it'll be touched upon in the webcomic or not

#

i didnt realize i didnt finish that thought lmao

hard moon
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Super odd question but does anyone have a list of all the characters who hate omnics 😭😭

thorn moss
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You know, wouldn’t it be cool if Dva’s back and arms have scars from her near death experience and that’s the reason she rarely wears sleeveless clothing?

rugged drift
hard moon
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Hrm

rugged drift
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That’s fair

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Reaper hates everyone lmao

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He doesn’t discriminate

grim condor
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Imagine if Mei was asleep like a week longer so the last battery went out and she just fucking died😭

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Also her entire story is like so tragic wtf

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Especially since details in the ecopoint Antarctica map say that the whole cryofreeze thing was HER idea

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AND the day they went in was her birthday

sharp steeple
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can someome enlighten me with widow lore

spare fox
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Heh, Torb Sierra interaction, she calls him Dr Lindholm
Torb says No, Dr Lindholm is my wife!

rain cobalt
sharp steeple
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email me.

junior wedge
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Overwatch anime when

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I do love the manga tho

weary quarry
thorn moss
brittle sky
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Gerard was an early Intel agent and key blackwatch guy but not a founder.

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And current descriptions only have the killing be a brainwashed bit, running off and returning to talon is (as of her ow2 website lore) her decision to avoid authorities and jump on the (likely pavlovian) thrill she got to killing.

grim condor
# sharp steeple can someome enlighten me with widow lore

Amélie Lacroix was the wife of a key member of overwatch, Gerard Lacroix. After several failed assassination attempts against Gerard, Talon kidnapped Amélie to drug and torture her which suppressed her feelings and turned her into a heartless assassin. When they finally got Amélie back, she murdered Gerard in his sleep and went back to Talon under the name of Widowmaker.

brittle sky
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Again, emotional suppression came after her return. The official site describes a clear order of operations

peak escarp
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the "killed him in his sleep" is an important part - she wasn't trained as a sniper until after she returned to Talon

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so she probably smothered him

sharp steeple
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Thank you for your service guys🥹

wooden estuary
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so like, Sierra's mom will be playable sometime?

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i mean, she's Soldier 0

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i wonder what she can do

civic lynx
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I don’t think we even have confirmation she’s alive currently 😭

spare fox
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I don't think we have any reason to believe she's dead

meager geyser
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She isn't much more interesting then Sierra

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And Sierra isn't that interesting herself

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I saw someone say that Sierra feels more like a game mechanic then part of lore and I kinda understand that

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Her only purpose in the lore is to remind us that helix security exists

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Just for her to join overwatch

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lmao

spare fox
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she also opens up more of the Super Soldier storyline

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it's something they've been doing - giving a unique perspective on a storyline
like instead of how they made a hero out of one of the first people on Mars, they made a hero out of their child, the first person born on Mars

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they did flag the whole "it is unknown how the children of SEP experiments turned out" in Declassified

ruby ridge
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another moiraloreless day

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Ffs they’ve leaked the comic like two months ago

spare fox
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LAST season even!

winged sierra
civic lynx
peak escarp
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Ingrid mention

rain cobalt
spare fox
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Maybe they'll get a new base made by the arcology

junior wedge
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Domina it's my wife (lore says so)

odd slate
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the way they keep screwing up the moira patch is so funny to me

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its not intentional i know but i cant wait for the day it IS and we all think it's STILL bunk

teal halo
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I haven’t been following the game lore since a good while anyone has a good resume of the whole lore they could share? I could use a refresh and also learn if there is something new

spare fox
# teal halo I haven’t been following the game lore since a good while anyone has a good resu...

So I a few months ago I started this little project because I was bored. Thought it might be useful to some other folks so here I am sharing it. If…

teal halo
odd slate
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god bless loreholders

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that's what i aspire to be

peak escarp
spare fox
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it was the last post I saw I still had the tab open T_T

peak escarp
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I should see about making a command to link the database

odd slate
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there's more than one database out there

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whatever's easiest

summer ermine
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Can someone please dumb the lore down for me? 😬

past copper
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In the 2070s, humanity was advancing to new global heights with AI, then the machines suddenly turned against them without warning leading to the Omnic Crisis, but a new organization of heroes were formed to stop it, Overwatch

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They were successful in ending the war and entering a new era where the machines, omnics, they once fought against became sentient while Overwatch operated as a global task force for years, until they were shut down due to public opinion on their actions

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Now a new generation of Overwatch is coming together to stop Null Sector and Talon

brittle sky
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Omnic crisis was like 2040s

fathom grove
peak escarp
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we don't know the chronological order of a lot of the lore

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just our best guess

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release order is still valuable, to see how the lore has changed over time

ruby ridge
opal yoke
lone cosmos
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info from page 15 onwards is not finished but it should show t he events and relative links in order at least

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dates are just personal approximation and not confirmed

lone cosmos
opal yoke
lone cosmos
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Your welcome

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It's been months in the making

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Just don't open it on mobile I haven't optimized that in like a month

spare fox
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Blizzard should hire you/buy this design fr

lone cosmos
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If only lol

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I'll sell it if they mention ecopoint osa in game
That's my price

fathom grove
opal yoke
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To my knowledge, even the Overwatch Fandom Wiki page doesn't have all the faction logos in HD

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Had to do those myself for the website lmfao

odd slate
lone cosmos
odd slate
digital linden
past copper
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Alright, who's the mod to deal with thi.... never mind

spare fox
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I think there was a spam/inappropriate post that got deleted

willow canopy
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ILLARI AND EMRE ARE CONNECTED TO EACHOTHER

past copper
broken eagle
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When this season ends?

past copper
spare fox
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June 16th I think. You can see the official estimate in the time remaining on the battle pass, but that's subject to change sometimes

fallow mantle
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Isn't the official estimate bugged atm and says something like 202620 days

pure solar
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i like how mercy is slowly losing her accent since ow1, it feels realistic seeing how shes been speaking a lot of English since then

brave dagger
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Do you think Domina is Indian or Punjabi (both races from India) despite she's (might be) born & raised in London?

Also ||Punjabi has higher caste & considered as Dalits (Untouchable) since they're Ancestral North Indians compared to Ancestral South Indians||

pure solar
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I'm pretty sure shes both

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Her ult voice line has both Hindi and punjabi

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words in them

glossy panther
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I think domino’s is black

mental island
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why is mauga like dripping in blood in his new diver skin

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on his legs

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is it a visual glitch or is it intended?

peak escarp
mental island
potent briar
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Game developing is weird sometimes ig

spare fox
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it def looks like water in my game - maybe it's your graphic settings or smt

fallow mantle
mental island
fallow mantle
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Mine are on ultra or epic and same thing for me

round bramble
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Do you people think they'd actaully kill off one of the heroes?

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Unambiguosly?

rain cobalt
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gonna have to kill moira to cut down cost for the VA

civic lynx
latent lark
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characters like Rein on the other hand is just surrounded with deathflags lol

spare fox
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yeah basically what they (Jeff K) said a looooong time ago was that if a hero dies in the lore, they would still be playable in the game

noble scroll
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though I doubt it

spare fox
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Perhaps, he's def not a "safe" hero imo

brittle sky
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I mean, his arc is one about how in stepping away from his old life he left a power vacuum (further worsened when OW went real killy on the rest of Shimada), and implies the full arc of that is resuming some kind of responsibility

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Feels safe in its narrative beats

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Compare that to say, Rein, whose subtext is pretty much begging for death

noble scroll
brittle sky
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Sure, but like, narratively experiencing peril does not make you any more likely to narratively die, if that makes sense.

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Yeah, someone in a higher risk situation in life is more likely to die, because that's probability.

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Narrative is something purely controlled, and follows different rules than that

noble scroll
latent lark
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so im writing a fanfic based around both the Null Sector invasion and Reign of Talon and rn im trying to figure out the amount of missions I want to assign to the Null Sector arc

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I have about 11-12 chapters so far idk if I should go for about 15 or

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like I feel I can squeeze in a few more

Chapter 1 - Zero Hour - Paris, France
Chapter 2 - New Blood - Busan, South Korea
Chapter 3 - Resistance - Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
Chapter 4 - Liberation - Toronto, Canada
Chapter 5 - Iron Clad - Gothenburg, Sweden
Chapter 6 - Enlightenment - Varanasi, India
Chapter 7 - ??? - New York City, United States
Chapter 8 - ??? - Sydney, Australia
Chapter 9 - ??? - Delacruz, Mexico
Chapter 10 - Underworld - London, United Kingdom
Chapter 11 - ??? - Lagos, Nigeria

last Chapter of the arc - ??? - Buenos Aires, Argentina

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but idk what kind of plot or story padding I could do

rustic gate
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DM me if you want to

rough ridge
#

We need more solder 76 lore

potent briar
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With how they’re going with him, Sombra, and Illari, I can see them adding more to his lore really soon.

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now I just need Venture and Hazard to do something in the lore besides exist

rain cobalt
potent briar
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Overwatch kind of?

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Iirc it was an overwatch aircraft that crashed onto him, which ended up with him losing most of his limbs.

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But that was like 10 years ago inlore so idk if there is anything new with that

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There’s also a connection with Moira seeing that it was her Oasis technology, i.e. the spiky lean, that he stole and uses to fuel his abilities