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I rarely even see Zarya mains, she’s only really in games if one team has Dva
They soft announced it last year and reconfirmed it in a dev blog recently
I feel like she's just the least fun tank to play as. like yeah she's good but I don't really enjoy playing her
They want this to be her final rework
Exactly, Zarya just isn’t fun
Not like other tanks like rein or mauga
Venture doesn’t get skins because venture has a lower than 3% pick rate
*Final rework this year
😭
???? really????????
they're probably like my favourite dps to play
whenever flex grants me the blessing to actually play dps at least
Yeah, venture is quite low
I’ll look it up
Venture is currently the second least picked hero in the game at 2.8%
jesus
I really did not expect that icl
I'm actually in the mood to go boot up the game and queue dps only for a few games
Sym is the lowest in the game so far
yesss how are they faring
ANOTHER dps i like playing is it something about my tastes
That makes sense
Have you ever seen someone say: "I finally got home and have time to play overwatch! I can't wait to play Symmetra!!!"?
Never
I pick sym when the enemy team has rein/sigma/ram/anyone with a shield of some kind
It makes sense why characters like mercy and Kiriko get skin since they are constantly in the top most picked heroes. Everyone uses venture as an example of no skins yet no one wants to play venture to justify giving them skins
I wonder if they are somewhat right (obviously we didn’t get a drop today) and they’ll release drops a bit quicker until mid season in about 2 weeks
I was kind of hoping for a midseason trailer (for the Anniversary event) today but
guess not
they'll probably hve the anniversary event the last 2-3 weeks of the season ig
The Diablo event ends in 13 days I think anniversary/mid season shit will be shown next week
i think its the latter
considering this is marked for the entire season 2
also it do be may, i forgot we're already at the half season
interesting
does it mean that like
they would at some point would wish to reunite with doomfist
orr like be separate people
Widow probably not since moira would still be there, Sombra and reaper maybe depending on how their story progresses now that they’ve left
no liek
doom def aint accepting moira back
sombra and reaper and widow and doom would be a cute family
sorry i forgot abt sigma
and their pet sigma
Moira’s still in talon 😭
She just works for whoever funds her experiments
and who is dat
oh you mean moira
i see i see
What did venture have to do with Sombra’s conspiracy hunt? I forget
Nothing. She was just there to steal or learn something and Venture just happened to be there
quick and dirty, here's my tierlist of all the moms of heroes seen/mentioned in Overwatch (bonus points if you know who is who - I used icons for moms with no canon visual)
oops, forgot Sierra
Mizuki's mom is also rip
Venture... I don't know if their Abuela should be counted since we don't know how involved she was in raising them
Winston’s ult in the lore is insanely powerful (considering he defeated Doomfist) yet it’s so weak in the game
What is your tier list ranking?
just rating them on how good of a mother they are
tbh the standard is pretty low
basically caring for your kid and loving them puts them in A tier
Isn’t there only like Ana, Ingrid, and Kiriko’s mom in the lore?
I don’t really know many characters that are mothers in the lore
I found images for all the ones I could
Ingrid Lindholm (Brigitte), Zahra Sarioglu (Emre), Freja's mom, JQ's mom, Jiayi Teo (Juno), Asa Yamagami (Kiriko), Efi Oladele (Orisa), Kendra Woods (Sierra), Ana Amari (Pharah), Anran and Wuyang's mother, Lifeweaver's mother, and Dr. Mina Liao (Echo)
Ashe and Genji/Hanzo made the list because although we haven't seen their mothers, we do know enough about them to know that they're trash mothers
and then all the ones in RIP have dead moms
(heroes not listed have never had their mother mentioned)
Damn I didn’t realize how many characters were mothers
Anyways I think you should make a tier list of who’s the most powerful Overwatch characters lore-wise next
that's a lot harder to judge
since we don't have canonical power levels for most of the heroes
To me, I think Sigma, Doomfist, and Winston are top 3
Yeah I guess but I’m just judging by cinematic shorts and origin stories
Yeah he does harness the power of gravity and I don’t think there’s really any weapon that tops that
Maybe Winston should be up there too because he defeated Doomfist in his origin story which they stated his gauntlet can level a skyscraper
somehow it always comes back to "who is the strongest"
Yeah I don’t know does Vendetta count as being one of the strongest because she defeated Doomfist as well?
i guess?
Who would actually be considered the weakest character in the roster lore wise?
probably Mei or Juno
I was honestly thinking Mercy, at least in terms of power
if you don't count her suit, sure
but her Valkyrie suit gives her superhuman strength
Ok that’s fair, I would say Hanzo, since he uses an objectively outdated weapon, but it’s pretty powerful gameplay wise
Kinda like how people mock Hawkeye from Marvel in a world where gods and aliens exist
And I guess his dragons can boost him up a bit higher
heroes in Overwatch tend to be as strong or as weak as the plot needs them to be
like, Hanzo is a trained martial artist, proficient with sword, bow and hand to hand combat... but in the short story "Where Honor Lives" he was captured pretty easily by the Hashimoto and Kiriko had to bail him out
Yeah I now realize how hard it is to properly scale their power levels
exactly
Reaper is a deadly mercenary with spooky wraith powers that make him nearly unkillable... but if he fights Winston he automatically loses
I thought Vendetta beating Doomfist was ridiculous because he defeated Genji and Tracer and it took Winston using primal rage to take him down, yet Vendetta who I don’t think is as strong as Winston, or even Genji or Tracer, easily took him down
she won because the plot needed her to
and eventually, she'll lose because the plot needs her to
Yeah I also think it’s funny how Talon had so many powerful characters like Reaper, Doomfist, Sigma, Widowmaker, Mauga, Moira, Sombra, Emre, etc. and Overwatch has characters like freaking Jetpack Cat
I don’t see how Overwatch’s roster could ever beat Talon’s without plot armor
well there's more of them, for one thing
if you dont count the unnamed talon grunts
Oh yeah I forgot about them
Wait a minute didn’t the comic with Vendetta also show her recruiting like Domina, Freja, Ashe and her deadlock gang, and the junkers too?
I literally don’t see Overwatch’s roster beating them
idk about the junkers but the others yes
I thought she sent Mauga to Junkertown to sort of recruit them to work with Talon
yeah but we havent seen the result of that yet
i imagine it'll be a yes but we havent seen it
Yeah Overwatch is cooked
Wait didn’t Doomfist recruit Ramattra and Null Sector or did they leave Talon?
ramattra's kinda gone
he talked to zenyatta and dipped
but he was never really "working with talon" very much. they were aligned but they never did much together
Yeah I thought the storm rising cutscene implied that Talon and Null Sector were working together
kinda
i think talon was kinda just Facilitating null sector. supporting them, if you will
Oh but not actually joining forces?
Yeah no it was more of like a support thing not a joining up fully thing
Null sector still exists its just a matter of whenever Ramattra wants to come back
he's content to let overwatch and talon fight it out before emerging to finish off the rest
that's my interpretation
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Reaper evil
Vendetta beating Doomfist was like the dumbest choice of the writers
I would have bought it more if Vendetta found one of Doomfist’s weaknesses and exploited that but she just straight up overpowered him
i agree, it’s a shame bc she could have beat him in a more justified and realistic fashion but they had to rush it into a few minutes of animation for the promo, which made it kinda unbelievable
i think it works by virtue of the fact it pits his own ideology, that of social darwinism, against him
the way she beat him couldve been improved on but i think her defeating him represents the self cannobalising nature of social darwinism
Honestly even if she utilized her speed or stealth to beat him it would’ve been a little more plausible than just brute forcing her way through
I was fine if she did beat him, but how she beat him was straight ridiculous
the concept is super interesting for sure, i think the downfall was purely in how easily and fast she seemed to take him out, without much context, but then again, what are they going to do with such a short video
Maybe if she utilized her something other than strength to beat him, I would’ve bought it
Like if she had to use speed or stealth or strategy or something
girl came in, swept, and that was that lmao
OW doesn’t exactly have a stellar track record of accurately portraying relative strength 😭 you kind of just have to take the animations at face value
theyre more about portraying a moment and a vibe and a message than realistic combat between varying forces and levels of strength
I mean we did see Doomfist defeating Genji and Tracer and it took Winston using primal rage to finally defeat him so he must be powerful
Wasn’t it also stated that Doomfist’s gauntlet can level a skyscraper?
Yes but blizzard also love plot armour
yeah, this is why the animations often feel slightly alienated from written or recorded lore, because it would be rlly hard to depict the same degree of power and a realistic balance between two fighters every time. yeah in previous content doom beat multiple OW agents, but that was because it was his job to be the Big Bad in that era. in this era, his job was to be dethroned, and the plot armour was passed to Vendetta instead
Doomfist theoretically shouldn’t have lost as easily as he did but they wanted to show vendetta as being so powerful she could easily defeat the person they spent a decade building up as the most powerful threat in OW’s world
I’m fine with that but they should’ve thought of a more plausible way to defeat him
yeah, the purpose was really just to display the new hierarchy in a visually striking and impactful way rather than depict a statistically accurate battle between the two
If she like outsmarted him and exploited a weakness of his then that would have been fine regardless of how strong they were
the cutting off of his arm, his incredibly powerful weapon that weve seen so much of, was more just a metaphor for taking his power rather than the best strategic move for the battle yknow. the animators where just making it clear who is in control now.
I would’ve preferred if they spent more time (maybe half/all of this year) setting up vendetta and showing more of her training and learning doom rather than being added to the game and overthrowing doom within 2 months, but clearly they just wanted to kick off this new phase of the game with a brand new storyline
i’m not saying the realism was all that but it was definitely dramatic and fun 🥰
yeah it def would’ve helped with the believability and the solidity of the world building but what can u do 😩 it’s blizzard
I honestly wish Reaper, Sombra, and Widow were still part of Talon
They were literally the staples of Talon imo
It seems with this year they want all heroes to be either OW or talon to fit with the overall theme so S6’s hero (||hivemind?||) may be the one that replaces vendetta or helps doom/whoever the next leader actually is take over
yeah, there will surely be plot line reasons for all the sides emerging and the various departures from talon too, they won’t just kick them out for the giggles
Overwatch sure has a lot of enemies that I’m not even sure they’ll beat without plot armor
They have Talon and the omnics?
Plus everyone Vendetta recruited?
I think vendetta’s downfall will be her shaky alliances falling apart like wet cake
She will eventually end up with nobody to assist her when ow turn the tides
noooo don’t say that she’s perfect and will rule forever 💔
jk ur right
she pushes too hard, and her behaviour polarises people both for and against her. she makes too many enemies to keep her throne
That comic with Vendetta shows her recruiting Domina and Vishkar, Ashe and her deadlock gang, Freja, and possibly the junkers
If Sombra ever gets sigma out of talon her backup option vanishes
Oh yeah not to mention she has Sigma and Emre
The deadlocks are more so just working with her on that particular mission
Sigma is currently just in containment and vendetta will only use him if absolutely necessary
If Sombra swipes him from out under her she’s instantly left much weaker
Maybe Emre will be her backup
If the in game interactions are meant to be setting up future lore the junkers alliance will fall apart before it even forms
Doesn’t he have that AI controlling his other persona?
I’m guessing she still has Emre
But unlike sigma Emre/chernobog actually knows what day of the week it is
So containment wouldn’t necessarily work instantly
If Emre/especially chernobog was to go against her commands there’s not much she can do about it
That’s true I guess Emre has higher chance at going rogue on his own than Sigma
Sigma can’t really do anything without assistance and moira probably knows how to keep him in check
Emre himself is… ig like mostly going to follow orders (?) but chernobog may end up doing more damage than vendetta originally planned for and could disrupt the goal
Yeah you’re right Emre does seem to follow Talon but Chernobog, not so much
Chernobog seems like it’ll get the job done but it’ll do it in the way nobody could’ve planned for
Emre himself doesn’t seem to remember what happened when chernobog is in control so while yes the mission is completed he could’ve caused absolute mayhem and never know
Yeah Vendetta has like two powerful allies yet I don’t know what characters Overwatch has that can beat them besides Winston and maybe Genji
With Sombra planning to snatch sigma she only really has 1 with Emre and he can’t always be relied upon
Overwatch’s roster is nowhere near as powerful as Talon’s roster tbh
She’s left in a constant position of being vulnerable if OW or another faction was to somehow interfere with her mission
Yeah I wonder how this’ll play out in the later seasons
I assume we’ll see OW begin to gain on her if mizuki defects from the hashimoto next season and the whole clan begins to fall apart, then s4 finally shows mauga’s junkertown shenanigans and how that went to shit instantly, s5 and 6 I’m not entirely sure what will happen but both of the new characters would probably reinforce the fact she’s not gonna last much longer
I was thinking a lot about the hashimoto stuff cause there’s so many ways it could work. the one I think being most plausible I guess could be, as hypothetical of course, maybe genji bringing up the whole situation in Japan or maybe it’ll be something related to hanzo being called to the hashimoto again by what he assumes is that vision of his father, this time more prepped? I dunno
I don’t think they’d send genji to Japan after what’s been going on in currently lore at all though
Yeah I don’t think genji will go or if he does it won’t be for very long, I’d assume most of s3 will revolve around mizuki defecting to the yokai and s3’s hero/the clan leaders and vendetta going ape shit at their plan being threatened
Ready to hear her voice already I just know she gonna have a peak va
At the spotlight, they did specify that Mizuki was going to OW...
Now I'm wondering if that'll be in S3 or later
I'd think S3 but who knows
If magic isnt supposed to exist in the OW verse how the fuck do Wuyang and Anran perform actual Water and Fire bending respectively?
from what we know wuyang just controls moisture through his staff
anran is confirmed tech in comics but its likely easier cuz its just in lore yknow, throwing fire around and fanning it
to add, he was on ows side in the talon v ow thing
I stopped watching OW lore when I quitted back shortly after Orisa release.
Whats the best way to pick up where I left and see where the story is? Seems like theres a lot of twists
the in-game Story tab will get you caught up on the current plot
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Ive been working on organizing a overwatch fanfic that would cover both the null sector Arc and the reign of Talon and right now it's still in the chapter planning phase
- Zero Hour: Paris, France
- Resistance: Rio, Brazil
- New blood: Busan, South Korea
- Unity: Numbani, Nigeria
- Liberation: Toronto, Canada
- Iron Clad: Gothenburg, Sweden
- Enlightenment: Varanasi, India
- ???: New York City, USA
- ???: idk (we don't know where the sixth PVE mission was going to be)
- ???: Veracruz, Mexico
- Underworld: London, United Kingdom
- ???: Lagos, Nigeria
- ???: idk yet
- ???: Chengdu, China
- ???: Buenos Aires, Argentina
- ???: watchpoint Gibraltar,
- then whatever happens during overwatch undivided
Nice I did make a ranking of who’s the most and least strongest character from each organization
Overwatch Ranking
- Echo (potentially)
- Winston
- Genji
- Reinhardt
- Sojourn
- Anran
- Tracer
- Wuyang
- Mizuki
- Brigitte
- Lucio
- Mercy
- Mei
- Jetpack Cat
- Juno
Talon Ranking
- Sigma
- Emre
- Doomfist
- Mauga
- Reaper
- Vendetta
- Widowmaker
- Sombra
- Moira
Kiriko is in overwatch?
She’s not
I thought she was tbh
I don’t really follow Kiriko’s lore all that much
You’re not missing much
I like Talon’s lore a lot more than Overwatch if I’m being honest
The characters are a lot more captivating to me
You’re missing Sierra too 😭
There is implications that both mizuki and Kirko will join OverWatch during season 3, based off the fact that the two of them represented OverWatch during the third week of conquest. And if they were strictly sticking the characters that were a part of OverWatch, they would have probably have just used genji in its place.
I'm using voice to text which is why OverWatch is spelled weirdly
So what would Ana do if she finds Phara and Mercy are secretly dating
I also did a couple ow fanfics surrounding Dva
winton
Winton
Let's hope we never get an answer to that question 😃✌️
Let's hope we get an answer to that question
reminder that fanfic (even fanfic based on canon) is not the purview of this channel
I’m hoping at least hanzo goes along with kiriko if this DOES happen but it’d be really sad if hanzo made the choice to stay behind in kanezaka while they moved on
Out of curiosity where do they belong?
i think fika has no lore cuz she was released early and her lore is a part of hammonds lore, and she was a rescue hammond saved when he visited luchang intersteller and that evil science lady- he was went there to steal stuff for junkertown but ended up doing some personal work too.
i think we will see in a junkertown story arc, more information about what hammond did after/during the "thoughtless gods" story- and in that story arc i think we will see hammond find her in the files and make the decision to ghost drop fika at watchpoint gibraltars landing bay (where brig first saw her) because dispite his frustration with winston, he thinks she will be safer or happier with him or just the overwatch org in general than the chaotic and frankly dangerous enviorment that junkertown is.
also he dont wana baby sit no kid fika young
there would need to be an explanation as to how fika got from the moon to earth, then from australia to gibraltar
i doubt this is the story behind fika
its not impossible, i jus doubt it
Because I wrote one I’m rather proud of and wanted to share it
Emre having “unauthorised user terminated” playing for sombra and another unreleased character
And vendetta having “you cannot escape your past” to reaper and another unreleased character
Wonder if it’s about #them
Unreleased characters you say
I think it’s the first one
I think s3 could be the “you can’t escape your past” one just based on vibes
the second one is the one we‘re getting next season and the boss of the hashimoto I think
I think she’s just the leader of the kanezaka division of the hashimoto, she would probably lead to us seeing the boss in a comic/animated short later on but she herself isn’t the boss
Convinced that this character is hive mind from OverWatch Declassified. She's the one that got Reinhardt fired from OverWatch. She looks a lot like her beta design from the old OverWatch concept art
according to leaks, she was the one that sent mizuki out so I can only assume she’d be of some leadership (but I dunno)
I’d assume she is in some leadership role but not the overall clan leader
considering its most likely following the shimada/hashimoto its most likely
mhm!!
She would be in control of a section of the clan and have a say in what they do
But not be the leader of EVERYTHING they do
I’m excited of what she could be like I just genuinely hope she isn’t monotone voice like Mizuki
She probably sends mizuki bc Kiri is within the region she is meant to be in control of
hanzo is working with kiriko too, which in honor lives they did try to ||execute him and failed|| so that’s gonna be interesting too
I think she may be more like… ig vendetta? Like some sort of character that could intimidate her opposition just by walking into a room
would work very well with hanzo and kiriko in that case who don’t get intimidated easy (kiriko a little less able to handle that intimidation, but hanzo would probably be able to stay on her level)
she wasent on the moon, luchang intersteller was actively still conducting tests- they 100% are doing it on earth now- and a cat would be a perfect candidate for advancing the program- and fika is young i dont even think she ages out to the lunar days
the very fact she is "young kitty" means luchang or any other org is doing ground tests, or that means a new space base will come into play- which i doubt even more than the explination she was a ground test
so if ground tests are going on, then i doubt wreckingball dident run into some of those files when he literally raided the company responsible for the original process
i doubt any other company would have access to the process either- given how they literally started on the moon to keep it secret- meaning it had to be luchang, meaning wreckingball must have saw something in his raid, and i feel like he wouldent turn a blind eye
and then on the australia to gibraltar- he just crossed continent and stole flight material from luchang- i think he can manage driveing a cat to a base, he likely dident even take her to australia- he would have most likely taken her straight from her labs to gibraltar, but he could have taken her to junkertown and realized it wouldent work- that part could go anywhere rlly
I get the speculation that Fika is an experiment but... I just don't see it
it would require so many big, big reaches that we just don't have any evidence for
plus, yet another experimental animal... I mean I can see them adding more once the Lucheng/HLC story becomes relevant again (and we have far more heroes in game)
i mean I'd trade a good 80% of any one ow2 release char to get hypatia or whoever else from the colony, in terms of what's interesting for both narrative arcs and cast variety.
i mean i kinda get that but whats the bigger reach, shes literally just an unexplainable cat, or shes one of the established existing modified animals created by the evil intelligent animal making corporation
ive thought about it and i really think its the most logical step, could you explain what one of the many, big, reaches that could be there that arent just a "they havent said it yet" think- i feel like i dident really make a reach- i just connected whats in the lore, what they have wrote recently- and what is the logical path of least resisitance that could happen in the lore that they could have not said anything about yet
leaving her unexplained as a 'just remember the meme, don't think about it hard enough that it's animal abuse' may well be what they're doing (and if they are explaining her behavior more, it could be something other than horizon), but it would be quite the disappointing bunt if so.
the devs have also said they didn't want to do another "escaped science experiment" backstory with Fika
thats a good argument do u remember where they said that
let me see if I can find it
"We already have two animal characters in the game," he explained. "Winston's basically a human, he was very intelligent as an ape. And then Hammond, he's actually very intelligent. He just speaks through his robot. So we also wanted a cat not to be that. It's not another animal that had some scientific experiment that made [her] smart. [...] People who own cats, you realize [that] we feed them, we change their little box, we allow them to sit in our laps. They're smarter than they appear. We wanted to inject that. How do we make this cat that looks suspiciously smart, basically?"
danng i dident know they said they they really going with just a cat
they're coy about it often saying it's suspicous, which has helped fuel ongoing speculation
i dont buy it they gonna switch up but thats just my personal opinion cant state that as fact
but yeah my theroy effectivly disproven i guess
for now
I mean, I think part of the reason people are so ready to speculate is that the alternative - this is just a cat - feels simultaneously lazy and disinterested in its own world.
i mean it kinda does
like wheres her shielding then
she gonna get swisscheesed day one
well i guess her being genetically bulletresistant is also ridiculous so thats a net zero point nvm
all the humans in Overwatch are bullet resistant too
yeah they just play cover in lore so like she would learn that too
still tho its irresponsible of brig to not put shielding on her but that would mud the designn
besides mauga
I mean, suspension of disbelief of tanking bullets is one thing (that's just the reality of any shooter), but saying a cat can reliably operate machinery to achieve battlefield objectives it has no way of understanding and no real motivation to do is my bigger hangup.
honestly not to kinda switch sides but if u got purrfect luck i think its possible to get a jetpack cat especially in the future- some cats are really smart- and some rats even drive cars in labs for fun after being trained with treats- in a real life senario even now in the "past" of overwatch world governments could definately get a cat to fly something if we trained them with treats and found the perfect cat, probably good dieting- the biggest hang up is teaching the cat to use the joystick to fly- i suppose using a glove to temporarily attach the paw to the stick and let her figure it out paw forward means forward in a gaurdrailed trainer machine or simulation
but theres even like brainwave tech that can pick up when ur thinking of something, so u can think of forward and it can pick that up its real u can google it some youtuber drove a car with it once, that would be more feasable with the cat than the joystick
give it treats when it shoots moving targets
the bullets have a dual effect with intent
so maybe it does pick up on fikas feelings towards the target
or at least some future version of friendly signals used in real military combat planes and stuff- the operating system you can hear probably just scans for friendly and non friendly signals that each agent wears and changes the effect based on that- meaning her combat training can really just consist of "shoot humanoid target for treats"
and then teach her to hide from unfamiliar faces and to stay well behind friendly faces, shes a support not a dps- in lore she would always be put in the safest possible area close to the exfil with zero expectations but that she shoots at you to heal u and be cute
from there if the cat is smart enough through enough simulations she could even learn to avoid snipers or sniper angles cats have good eyesight like they watch birds n stuff
i think she uses buttons for up and down which should be easy to grasp
I'm glad to see people are still talking about Overwatch lore after all these years.
ofc
I stand with Cthulhuian monster theory
That explains the absolute demon part
And Lovtacft did in fact had a thing with cats
fika being a lovecraftian cat monster would be SO funny
didn't Marvel already do that?
with goose
she's not a cat, she's a species that looks like a cat
same difference i guess
not like it's unusual for media to do the same troupes
oh is it orisa's birthday today?
WE yes WE all celebrated
I hate orisa too much to be happy for her
Well that's a take. I guess if you're all "acab includes the defender of numbani"
probably hates orisa bc tanky horse that doesnt die
and not lore wise
if i had to make an educated guess
Can't wait to these skins make the scene
that wuyang skin is so good to me
i realllylyy hope we get it
the ram maid skin is so cute too!!
slaying chores and housework
i think its confirmed that we'll be getting at least ram and wuyang
not sure abt vendetta
i hope!!
the belts around ven's waists is some guilty gear ahh bullshit 😭
lmaoo
highlight intro id presume
We had same profile
But yes it certainly so cool
Ha! I called it!
found a pretty cool affiliations chart on reddit. interesting to see which groups have so little rep. kinda funny when you see it laid out this way!
hanzo, mizuki kiriko for overwatch plsss plss
Oh hey the person who made that was in this channel, they were asking me abt it
We know Mizuki is going to be in OW but it hasn't happened yet
I'll eat my phone if Kiriko doesn't wind up in OW as well
I kinda think/hope Junkrat is going to wind up in or detained/"detained" by Overwatch just bc of voicelines and such... I'm split between Roadhog too but I kind of think Roadhog's going to wind up working for the Queen again
Hazard/the Phreaks is real interesting...
they would HATE to work with either of them BUT I think the fact that Hazard is more entangled with Moira than he thinks is going to come up and be an interesting story
might even be putting "I'd rather die than work for the likes of you" to the test
Cool as fuck skin ever
I like that they changed the orb and projectile colors unlike other skins actually
I wonder since we didn't see doomfist body after the window I reckon he's either climbed onto something or he's swam away to somewhere safe where Vendetta doesn't know.
Yeah atp I'll be MORE surprised if Doomfist is actually dead lol
Now we need overworked office worker zenyatta skin
And Bastion as child
Don't adjust this as complain, skin could've used more firefighter equipments tho
Maybe a mask perhaps, from what i can tell this isn't a regular firefighter. Rather than some tech themed
Pretty solid skin that has correlation with his abilities i think i'm kinda on less amount of equipments it has compared to its base design
I wish he had some burn marks too actually
im just happy someone i play regularly is getting attention at all
he could easily be in a situation where he doesnt get skins or like mizuki where, although he fits the typecast of characters that would sell skins easily, isn't getting any
I mean his both gameplay and visual appearance easily sets him as a character that will gonna have major series of skins in future updates
I just wishing them to be quality instead of thirsttrap
what do you think hanzo is gonna end up doing? Do you think he’d end up going with kiriko just to watch over her or do you think maybe something is gonna happen to where he kind of HAS to stay unaffiliated (maybe something hashimoto related)
Imo i think after the whole hashimoto storyline, he's going to return as head of the shimada clan
I really hope so,, at least I hope he’s happier doing it as he tries to rebuild to make it better for hanamurq cause one of the things I’m pretty sure hanzo was told was that the shimada do for their people what their people would do for them
a fight between hanzo and the hashimoto lady would be pretty cool too imo
I'm interested in if S3 is going to be the all-out defeat of the Hashimoto
Bc if not then they need to reinforce them as an actual threat
Bc frankly, yeah we're told they have a stranglehold on Hanamura/Kanazaka but they're depicted as kinda inept
i think theres gonna be a new tokyo at night map too and knowing how much that plays into hanzo (he does a crazy amt of stuff at night, and all the stuff that happened in where honor lives is just another reason for him to get his due of aura)
if hanzo somehow manages to take down the head of hashimoto, whether it be by himself or with small assistance from someone else i think that'd be huge consider hashimoto/shimada have been aat an argument for decades
argument isnt rthe right word sorry i got distracted more like.. disagreement?? feud??
Overwatch is going to something to do with it, if just to get/ rescue Mizuki
im curious how they're gonna handle that with hanzos character too considering a lot of his voicelines and stuff is this buildup to him not exactly liking the hashimoto (for good reason), i hope they at least ease into it instead of straight going "yeah hes chill with the hashimoto now"
accepting Mizuki doesn't mean he's chill with the Hashimoto
oh yea no i mean just!! i think it'd be a bit odd for him to just immediately accept mizuki, i really like what they've doing with the thing of making hanzo seem curious and skeptical with him in voicelines
Yeah I'm confused by the meaning here
I don't think he would immediately accept Mizuki - he would be skeptical about him
Mizuki is in the hashimoto but he's hearing for a change of heart
yeah thats what i mean i think i could've just said. i hope they keep that up uhh im not very good at describing things thats mb
What if there's a twist and the S3 hero isn't the Hashimoto boss but is actually a deep undercover trying to take them out from the inside
I don't think she's the Hashimoto boss
or even the boss in charge of Kanezaka, because we've seen him
Yeah everyone's expecting the boss
I think it'd be interesting to see some kind of mole or similar character
HELLO
do you think they're gonna pull a vendetta thing and be like "oh yeah this is his daughter" cause i hope not
i only hope not cause i want it to be an older character too, apparently according to leaks she looks like a fem version of cassidy
at least from what ive heard but then again leaks can be wrong
(they were wrong abt sierra at least to some degree)
I was under the impression that the leaks saying she's a female Cassidy meant her kit - however much of the leaks you want to believe
yeahh, i've heard one or two leakers say she does look a bit like cass too butr maybe it was just her kit and im misremembering cause i dont have the best memory
her kit sounds like it'll be fun though, hoping her design is sick
it would be very weird for a Japanese character to look like a femme Cassidy
it would yeah that was my main thing abt it too, it probably was just kit and Im thinking abt smthn else
Just the gun holsters I guess?
yeahh I guess people just thought it was alike in some versions of it
Personally, I never believe leaks bc the leakers always get random things right and the rest is so far off base it's like... what?
ppl assumed sierra would’ve been deadlock .. which I personally like that expansion of helix much more
did helix get expanded?
She's still nominally working for them, but we learned pretty much nothing new about them, and her motives are a mixture of aligning with ow and her own thing.
im expecting a type of enforcer cuz mizuki was talking bout her getting him if she finds out hes doubting it, most bosses would let their lackeys do that
I'm spitballing on my theory here that she's a Hashimoto infiltrator- if she is an infiltrator she'd be acting like a ruthless enforcer
Hashimoto learns of Mizuki's betrayal, she's ordered to kill him- she instead lets him go (to overwatch)
Idk this is based solely on me speculating she's not a villain-villain
She very well could be a straightforward villain and that's that
i hope she is tbh having an outright actual mobster who is actually yknow, ruthless would be a change of pace for the japanese heroes
same with how i kinda want an australian hero not from the junkers, from the richer parts who might be anti junkers, some variety. tho i do still secrelty kinda hope shes an omnic somehow cuz itd be a nice contrast
Are Mercy and Ana on bad terms because of the biotic rifle?
Mercy didn’t like that her tech was use on a sniper riffle
I don't think they're on "bad terms" - neither is she with Torb - but yeah like was said, she didn't like that her tech was used on a weapon after she explicitly laid out the condition that it couldn't
relationships are complicated
Mercy being mad about the fundamental militarism of ow broadly and the horrific weaponization of her healing tech specifically has been largely dropped, at least for the moment, as thinking about that might make the iconic healer of the game very reasonably quit the main group.
Yeah we already have mizuki as a split allegiance infiltrator. Why do we need the one person repping hashimoto as soon as he inevitably quits secretly not hashimoto?
just thought it would be an interesting spin
Mizuki isn't really an infiltrator in the Hashimoto though
Eh, we've yet to see someone represent the actual antagonist faction of the shimada ecology. Probably shouldn't have the second hashimoto affiliated one also not actually rep them.
true, unless they're looking to wind down the hashimoto-shimada story, maybe S3 will be a major defeat for the hashimoto with the help of OW
story-wise, OW has been experiencing a lot of losses lately since the Null Sector retreat, maybe this'll be a win for them?
between losing Gibraltar, the IJC ruling to shut them down, losing both the weapons AND the serum from Grand Mesa, maybe taking down a crime org could be something for the "win" column
Ijc is a soft ruling that they'll clearly turn around.
And nuking a major ecology just as they're adding new character seems an odd choice. Set your stage, then take a beat to escalate it, then you conclude it.
yeah we know that the IJC is going to turn around the ruling but OW needs to prove itself to earn that in the narrative
and so far, they haven't had much success with that
Playing the hits of their predecessor of brutally massacring another Japanese crime org. Surely this time it'll be good and healthy for the community rather than destabilizing the local underworld and encouraging worse players to step in, because unlike the shimada, the hashimoto are kind of tacky.
Mizuki is reverse infiltrator
Went from legit part to turning on them not publicly
While meant to infiltrate the yokai he now is starting to be with the yokai and against hashimoto
you're not wrong here, it just seems like the Hashimoto aren't this huge faction within the overall narrative. They weren't even named until Kiriko's intro, and compared to other Big Bad factions, they've received a bit of stage-setting and escalation, too, between the Kiriko cinematic, two short stories, a manga, plus the intro of Mizuki... I'm not saying it's leading to a climax or a sunset of the Hashimoto as a whole but with a new season focusing on them as villains, it has to be leading to some kind of turning point
I do think they were known before kirikos intri, they were mentioned in kanekaza letter
Or if u meant that with intro as her first introduction
I just hope we get a leader of hashimoto once like actual main leader and its a high tech omnic contrasting the whole traditional stick shimada had, tho my headcanon version is kinda far fetched but Id like that theming
Turning point sure, and a win for the goodies likely, but I think they're still laying the groundwork in a way that says they're still building out the conflict rather than wrapping it.
yeah I understand that, but the point I was referring to was that he's not infiltrating the Hashimoto
I speculated that S3 hero could potentially be a Hashimoto infiltrator
Pete countered that by saying Mizuki already kinda is (referring moreso that he's going to be a turncoat/"good guy")
I was making a point that Mizuki isn't infiltrating the Hashimoto, however
Im aware i was just adding onto it
As of how mizuki is kinda reversed. Hes a infiltrator for the hashimoto, but is now Turning into more allued with the yokai and by extension overwatchs side so instead hes kinda starting to become it without being it
plus, from a meta-storytelling standpoint, I can just see them (writers/c-suite) wanting Kiriko to be officially in Overwatch, but they can't exactly do that if she's needed by the Yokai - so I'm theorizing that S3 will see a moderate win for the Yokai/Shimada, with the Hashimoto at least subdued for now
plus, in all we've seen so far of the Hashimoto, the yokai (and even Kiriko on her own in several instances) have managed to win against the Hashimoto... now with Hanzo and OW on their side I could see the tides turning on the Hashimoto's hold on the region
plus the fact that the locals also don't like the Hashimoto - if they're brought to justice locally (instead of what OW has done in the past) and Hanzo is allowed to take his father's place... again a win
I was just doing some calculations and IF they plan on releasing S4 on the tuesday after Blizzcon (IF), then S3 is going to be a loooooong season
13 weeks

i wuld honestly love to see the opposite
the hashimoto get a big win on the yokai and the shimada which gets kiri to cross path with overwatch and join them out of desperation
especially if said win happens bc of mizuki's confliction
Ooo that's got potential too
I just don't see them writing another L for OW as a faction so soon
So question that seems like it might be sarcastic but is genuine - what does blizz gain by kiriko joining ow? A chance for her to interact with the other new recruits in canon?
Yeah that, plus a money-making fan fav character to be part of the front- and-center story
what does blizz gain by having anran and wuyang join overwatch or having reaper and widow leave talon? I dont think its about gain more than about spicing up the lore so people have something to be attentive to
similar thing with Mercy and Juno
as was said a bit earlier today, Mercy is opposed to OW's use of her tech
and Juno... she's just not a combatant hell she's never so much as swatted a fly until a few months ago, why is she in OW other than being under the "supervision" so to speak, of Mei?
Rule of Cool, simply put
I mean before Juno, Mei herself raised a similar concern
"welcome, traumatized climatologist! You were in a coma for ten years, and by benefit of us finding you before anyone else, you have automatically rejoined our very illegal paramilitary, now go shoot some bad guys. And no we will not dedicate resources to your old work or retrieving your friends' corpses"
- Winston, hero of overwatch.
I mean, yeah pretty much except Mei did voluntarily answer the recall lol
NEW LORE DROP
EYYY
THIS FINALLY RELEASED
"questionable ethics" no shit with moira 😭
"questionable ethics" way to graywash it lol
ok I know the 21 anniv recolors are getting a lot of hate, but like the textures on them are soooo cool
I mean them leaving talon was just following the logic of the changing of the guard (though widow might just be a reason to progress her character arc?). Kiriko, unlike anran and wuyang, don't need a 'so what' for why they're in the game, why they're shooting hamsters in blizzard world. Given there's no playable pve, it's not like we need to concentrate all our eggs in one basket (though the ow v. talon framing seemed rather like trying to consolidate). Narrative resources to side ecologies can be done alongside ones to the main overwatch fight, and that split actually lets you focus ont he most relevant characters, rather than have a glut of like 18 people who each get like two panels, as we see in united.
people are complaining to complain honestly
i think these new skins look so cool
oughh
im gonna see if i can get ra ana
rana if you will
It won’t let me select it for some reason
yeah
probably a bug for rn
id give it some time
DAMN i dont want to spend more money but these what if skins
ughhhhh
The what if skins won’t be added to lootboxes btw 
loverwatch mauga what are you doing
honestly idc abt vendetta's
i want wuyang's and ram's
despite not going to use ram's
i think it's silly
THE TOILET CHARM HAHA
how long will they stay for i wonder....
i can wait till i get paid i think
safely anyway
date night genji <3
What are the odds they just don't have it functional and are going to fix it with the internet release, and what are the odds this was accidental and it vanishes again?
it's already vanished again :/
WHEREE? I CANT FIND IT
it's gone 🙁
😭
ow classic mode sucks holy shit
ik it's not related to lore that much but people miss this?
so thankful for what we have now
which era of classic they on now?
i assume on release
mercy revives everyone, sym portals are different/she's support, genji is insane, dva can be shredded very easily
you can play multiples of the same character
4 stack healers, bastion, mei
honestly the only people who love OW classic are the ones who proudly proclaim how they don't play OW anymore lol
give it 2 days the q times for it will be 25+ min
knocking out these garbage challenges now so i never have to touch this crap again
Release this week, 2020 is week 3
Week 2 is that fuck ass gun game ltm from Halloween terror
if the challenges can be completed during any of these weeks then fuck this game mode
gonna go back to regular games
on a better note if anyone has the anniversary poster art png please send it my way
lmk if you get it
cant tell if i did or not
mobile wont let me check requests fir some reason
WHATTT WHAT SHOW ME
it's a little spray...you might be able to see it in game
@noble scroll
is it a lootbox one or is it straight up free like you immediately get it
uhhh i think it's a lootbox one? i cant remember how i got mine, i logged in and just got it
where is hanzo’s second dragon that’s his baby </3 /j
oooh I remember the design now, I think you get it from just logging in then
its very cute
who is nunu?
well damn
Season 4 should begin in August
S3 would be June-early/mid August then BlizzCon is like a couple weeks after s4 begins
😛 I recognise that image…
The ppl yearn for gay brigitte
How interesting that moira lore is truly coming out
And and Freja interaction @OWvoicelines
︀︀
︀︀If I'm not mistaken, that "friend" has to be Jack (notorious stubborn old man)
this isnt new
this one is new though
not sure if anyone’s mentioned this but it seems doomfist might be alive
new spray gave him a goatee
most guessed so
Holy cow the shop is stacked this update
Hype for that Moira comic,,,
Got an image?
mekamechanic shippers stay winning
Man I wish archives would’ve returned for the 10 year anniversary event but it isn’t advertised in the announcements
I get that they have a new engine and that’s why they couldn’t do archives but I thought they could’ve fixed it by now, it’s been a few years :(
Or instead a new archives event for more lore instead of the same ones
I'm afraid they want to distance themselves as far away from anything PvE as possible... 😭
They absolutely could have fixed them if they wanted to. They're a massive company that has the ability, it's a deliberate choice not to unfortunately
Surelyyyyyyyyyyy they drop it for a surprise 4th week 😭 (all the air in my body is replaced by copium)
same
IT’S JUST TOO PERFECT
AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE DOING MORE LORE SO IT WOULD BE PERFECT TO DO IT NOW
Honestly they should just make the invasion bundle free for everyone, and give those who bought it some shop coins and maybe a skin.
I doubt many people are still actually buying it still
Then maybe there would be enough of a playerbase for matchmaking to work
Oh and make the Underworld mission permanently available
Nah I think they needed to hang that shit up ages ago 💔 it should’ve been a free ltm like the archives
No mode like that would EVER have a consistent player base past the first few weeks
Not even archives
You're right but there's no way to make it limited time now so why not make it free during the anniversary event
I'm also salty I never got to play Underworld
Yuh
Anything extra would make this event better lol
It feels kinda..lackluster lol
For a 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY??? You’d think they’d redo archives and run all of the OW Classics in a row (at least more than two)
I get other anniversaries being like this but the 10 year one is just too big of a milestone
Event focus feels like it's shifting from "here are cool things to do in the game" to "here are a ton of shop bundles"
Normally it's whatever, but they really hyped up the 10 year anniversary in February
Yeah it feels like there were other anniversaries that were better than this
The season 1 event was great and they could have just done something similar tbh
Yeah
I don't know if I'll ever lose the hope (cope) that they'll bring archives back, so I'll probably just keep shooting myself in the foot
I have hope that they will bring it back some day
Same
i think if venture was real, THEY could be an actual overwatch fan XD
they
sorry, i know they is they.
I just had a thought, in the mirrorwatch universe, would venture be a junker or work for talon?
I'd love to see Junker Venture
em, any theories of how the reing of talon storyline could continue?
we're going to see the rest of Vendetta's plan play out
the attack on Grand Mesa to steal the serum and make supersoldiers, her alliance with the Hashimoto, trying to get the Junkers on her side, etc.
they showed it all in Vendetta's comic
definitely continuing with the helix mountain prison map in the next season IIRC!
I think sierra’s mom could be in there too. It would solve the mystery of where she is and it would make sense that Helix would imprison her, they could be the ones that were searching for her
the map next season is the Japan map
I'm excited to see how they merge everything with the conspiracy
For Undivided readers there's a promo going on where reading 5 episodes gets to a lootbox
You can go through old ones again if you already read them all
Hello folks, did some of you read episode 9, of the Overwatch "undivided" Webtoon?
If you finished it, you'll know something very interesting is going to happen in the future of the world of "Overwatch."
I won't tell you what, but I will tell you that only.
people can find it on their own
Understood, sir.
not a sir
Right, please excuse me, my friend,
I am rather new here.
So I didn't know if you were a mod, or smth.
I'm a reddit mod, which gives me priviledges here
also you can find my pronouns in my profile
Oh, understood.
Sorry about that.
Uhmm, may I ask you, if you read episode 9 of the webtoon?
yes
It's really interesting, especially, it's ending.
I'm currently on ep 14
you can pay to unlock more episodes
I'm still stuck on ep 9 😭
Ik that
I only figured that out a few like...
40 minutes ago.
Ep 14 we meet an exciting new character 🤭
When I woke up, and saw that the episode came out....
DON'T SPOIL IT
PLEASE
I BEG YOU.
Not gonna say anything else don't worry:)
But you already spoiled something big for me..... 😭
Well, if it's not anything specific.....
I'll forgive you.
Sorry it was a joke it's genuinely not anything big!!
Oh, well, I don't understand sarcasm, very quickly.
No worries!
If I may tell you a personal thing, I'm actually on the spectrum. Considered high on the Spectrum, but still..... It gives me a few debuffs/ things I gotta work harder in order to understand/ do.
Like.
It's not the channel for it, so I won't state specifics,
If you did want to pay for the newer episodes it would be 217 coins to get all them to the end
But I'm like a normal person.
You're all good don't worry about it:)
I'm not surprised
WHY 217?????!
a lot of people here are on the spectrum
IT WAS 7 COINS PER EPISODE
Oh really?
there's like 40 episodes
7 per episode x 31 more episodes from ep 9
217 would cover you through the end
They really cheap the first time you buy coins too iirc
Well.... My childhood dream is to be a rather famous cook/baker, but my current dream it to draw, write, and publish one manga series.
And so, I am paying for manga drawing tutoring lessons....
MY current dream is to have an actually popular anime adaptation
Rivalling MHA, One Piece, Bleach,
And those kinds of shonen.
Perhaps, more rivaling MHA, and bleach, and also like.....
don't get ahead of yourself, one step at a time
Ofc, I know.
That's why I only started two pages,
And figured out, I should start learning to draw professionally.
So I hired a tutor.
Wanna see my 2 pages, before I hired a tutor?
also, try to keep the discussion in this channel on topic
I will.
I'll post it somewhere else, if I may?
is there any unofficial art channel in this server?
If not, I could just show you in DMs......?
If you're interested, I mean.
I'm not interested
UNderstood.
So, thank you very much for your time.
Have a good day.
Sorry for bringing the channel into off-topic mode.
If Overwatch got the Arcane treatment and got their own TV series, who would the story center around?
they would do something similar to Undivided, and focus on one of the younger heroes
Illari would be my bid
I was thinking Winston would be the central character because he was the one who initiated the recall
Has a clear motive she's working towards, as well as existing relationships to tie into other factions (overwatch through soldier 76, talon through Sombra)
I could’ve sworn there was supposed to be a helix-owned prison on a mountain for a map. But maybe I’m mistaking it for watchpoint grand mesa. There was supposed to be some big mech frozen in it or something? I don’t remember :(
there's a prison map coming, but later in the year
I seeee
I think it's set in Iceland?
Illari wouldn’t be bad honestly
Yeah I think that’s right
You mean someone like Illari, Dva, Wuyang, Brigitte, etc?
I like how the new maps seem to carry very significant new lore importance
I hope we're getting more short stories soon
Actually has anyone here read the overwatch novels? Was thinking about checking them out
Kirkio
100%
can earthling procreate with martian in overwatch universe?
Very specific question
I guess you're talking about Juno
You know she's still a human right?
She only larps as an alien
im disappointed
Iirc they’re on the ow channel on YT and on the official website’s media page
Almost all of them are bangers, especially the new Cass one bc Matt Mercer is never not a treat to hear
Oh wow I had no idea, that's so cool
Those are the comics and some short stories, there are also 3 full length novels you have to purchase separately
why would a human not be able to
maybe she has different chromosome
Soldier 76 and Ana on Talon's Next Target Interaction - Overwatch (Reign of Talon Season 2.5: Summit Mid-Season)
#Overwatch #Gaming #Shorts #Overwatch2
It pretty much alligns with an lore im working on
Realistically how much would it cost to make a overwatch TV show do yall think with the quality of the Cinematics cos the lore is actually eating away at my soul
dunno
the cinematics we get are already few and far between compared to what we used to get
I’ve heard people speculate this could be illari
yeah, has to be
The OW cinematics cost millions to make
And they’re what, around 8 minites?
Minutes
It’s just not really sustainable long term
It would cost too much and if they don’t have a big funder behind it it can’t work
And it also conflicts story wise
OW’s story livelihood relies on being drawn out through years so they can milk each évent
If they had a series they’d forcefully have to start advancing the story very quickly which isn’t sustainable
And if by some miracle they resllt went through with it it’d have to be some outsider character without too much impact on the main story so its either
-soldier 76/conspiracy story (might still be too revealy)
-illari (interesting POV but would ultimately end up with sombra, soldier 76 and moira às the only characters basically, so not very overwatchy and more so an illari show)
-hazard/phreaks (and nobody likes them)
-lifeweaver/symettra (but they don’t really have much plot in their stories to create an engaging hook)
Realistically if they wanted to they could, they're a massive company with means. But it's Blizzard/Microsoft so I doubt they'd ever invest that much into something that's not immediately profitable
This doesn't make sense, the story isn't limited to a certain timeframe/arc. They can always introduce new conflicts and characters after resolving a story arc
If they have a show it usually requires a full satisfying plot from start to end
If they for example finish the entire vendetta storyline in an 8 episode series then they just used 1 year worth of story content which they wanted to draw out
They don’t want to finish talon/bull sector plotlines so quick becquse that’s their main hook
Yes they can introduce another group or another person but it gets repetitive to a degree
guys what do yall think about doom vs vendtta
As much as I'd love a series, I can also see how - visual media being what it is - it could turn out disastrous
Everything released is Sooooo expensive that it absolutely MUST be a lightning-in-a-bottle hit lest it be declared a disastrous failure
Thus they'd wind up overly sanitizing and making it bland in an effort to appeal to as many people as possible which would make it not particularly appealing to anyone in particular
The webtoon comic is good imo, it's a regularly scheduled slice-of-life with action and some character focus
Idk why everyone has a problem with it being on webtoon... but that shows they'd have a problem if a series was on Netflix/Hulu/Prime so, yeah same problem
Take the Genesis mini series. It had good information, a good way to present a story, decent-ish animation... but it was bland you have to admit
my issue with the webtoon is they've been picking the most boring shit to show us
but that's just me
I think that’s the thing woth webtoons
It’s a continuous story from day to day
They’ll stick with this snail pace
Tbh I think the whole point of the webtoon is to be frequent yet small/somewhat insignificant lore
The motion comics and origin stories for new heroes will be when they actually make big reveals
Me when last night's was just JPC filler
i don't even mind slow pacing tho, i just don't particularly care for stuff like wuyang and anran training, or the cat origin story basically told to us again
yea filler
that's the word i was looking for
And like, I know I shouldn't complain, it's regular lore
slow pace =/= filler
But... you guys have enough to not focus a whole episode on JPC flying around being a menace
yea exactly
Eg whenever they actually drop the new moira comic instead of accidentally leaking it fifty ‘leven times and it possibly sheds a bit of light on whatever moira/talon broadly plan to do with the super soldier serum
GUYS GUYS
I feel like they’re trying to make up for those characters not having lore
A few episodes ago Sojo had mercy and Genji and rein and Mei and a few others suit up. I want to see what they're doing- not jpc's origin for the 4th time
in April fools doomfist voice line got changed to and dey say DOOMFIST is dead
now im no smart guy but that means something
Us never seeing his body also means something
That something being them leaving the door open for him to return when they’re done with vendetta
and his fight is ahh
honestly vendetta shouldn't even win in the first place
Like I keep saying, atp I'd be more surprised if he's actually dead
We’ve known for years ow uses plot armour to get certain outcomes
doom in ow1 adaptes to tracer. defeated tracer. defeated genji. and almost defeated WINSTON
Vendetta having it to pack up doom isn’t exactly out of the ordinary
it is
its doom
literally everyone is scared of him
obviously but that doesn't make it an interesting read imo
Doom has been shown actually fighting a whopping 1 time and it was most likely stylised to look cooler than it actually was
he has the gauntlet
you don't rlly learn anything new abt anran or wuyang by watching them train and anran kicks ass and wuyang does bad and feels like shit abt it etc. cuz we already saw all this in their origin stories
And every nth character has a faked/should be dead story... which is fine ngl, very comic-super hero
They also set it up with in game lines saying doom is getting rusty
at best it's abt developing wuyang and juno's dynamic
i mean doomfist adapts to fight. and then gets defeated by a crying girl?
Doom was designed to be potential man with loads of aura and possible feats of strength that we never really see
and gets defeated under 1min
I think they're focusing on Juno, Anran, and Wuyang to give the outsider new guy perspective- a good intro point to start with
powerscaling is ahh
His fight was done quickly just to get him out the way for vendetta
I’ve said for a while I think vendetta and all future villains will be thrown out in the exact same way doom was
just like i said. the power scaling in overwatch is AHH
The new villain rocks their shit within 3 minutes and boom they’re the new big bad now
honestly idk man like its getting worse with the new cinematics
ow1 was absolute cinema
I think it’s just bc live service games don’t really have the ability to make drawn out stories and villains
With how short people’s attention spans are now villains essentially have to be a revolving door and as soon as they’re introduced they need to be this apocalypse level threat or people tune out
Power scaling in a series that doesn't care about power scaling always ends up being ass let's be real
Very true
yea i can see that
i just don't want the focus to stay on them for too long cuz i feel like there have already been several occasions where like you said, i would much rather be watching what someone else is up to
like for example winston's basically a background character when the story is about his literal home being destroyed, and athena being killed is told to us in retrospect as exposition instead of us seeing his pov when it happens.....
and instead they choose to portray juno as the person who somehow has a super big attachment to gibraltar now just from being there a few months
To be fair, Juno's past experience does have an effect on her reaction to Gibraltar
honestly i dislike the direction they've take her character in general (prolly even outside of the webtoon) cuz it feels like her original goal of rescuing her parents and everyone on mars has been shafted for what's a very repetitive shallow arc.
and it definitely doesn't work for someone who they've chosen as the protagonist. you can summarise the whole webtoon with:
juno has a panic attack every time she has to do something hard, but eventually succeeds anyway because she uses the advice someone gave her
there isn't much to distinguish between her reaction to having to leave gibraltar vs when she had to fix the comms vs when she had to shoot the talon guy to save lucio, etc.
3 new Brigitte and Torbjorn interactions @OWvoicelines
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︀︀Highlights:
︀︀- Torb is happy to have her back home at least for a while
︀︀-Torb is not happy about a cat being put into a jetpack (lol)
**👁️ 8 **
ah ok, so the in-game voicelines are all lined up with the current Undivided comic
which means that Sojo and the Grand Mesa events are going on concurrently with that
Doomfist is a powerful character that exists only to show that there are other powerful characters in a universe
This fraud didn't win a single on screen battle
They even pulled a classic shonen trope on him where the previous powerful villain gets killed by a new villain to show that this new guy is even more powerful and ruthless then the previous guy
the Grand Mesa raid is mentioned in the cliffhanger for ep 14
wonder if we'll get any payoff for athena's deletion or if that'll be rectified within the next few chapters/subsequently forgotten
And I wonder how Echo feels about that- and like
It also makes Echo an even greater target without Athena
she has some of the same information athena did right?
or something
im not 100% sure which is why i ask
also all these 2016 maps
im so lost
i dont know hanamura at all
She's made by Dr. Liao
Echo not only has all of OW's sensitive data... she's also made of Dr. Liao's best work
as in if it'll be touched upon in the webcomic or not
i didnt realize i didnt finish that thought lmao
Super odd question but does anyone have a list of all the characters who hate omnics 😭😭
You know, wouldn’t it be cool if Dva’s back and arms have scars from her near death experience and that’s the reason she rarely wears sleeveless clothing?
I think it’s just the junkers icl
Definitely not because I know at least freja and reaper have vitriol against omnics
Hrm
Imagine if Mei was asleep like a week longer so the last battery went out and she just fucking died😭
Also her entire story is like so tragic wtf
Especially since details in the ecopoint Antarctica map say that the whole cryofreeze thing was HER idea
AND the day they went in was her birthday
can someome enlighten me with widow lore
Heh, Torb Sierra interaction, she calls him Dr Lindholm
Torb says No, Dr Lindholm is my wife!
I can tell you that when she was a little girl she was afraid of spiders
email me.
Soon (tm)
She was married to one of the founders of overwatch then talon brainwashed her into killing him and running away where they drug her to suppress her memories yet also make her a lethal sniper
Gerard was an early Intel agent and key blackwatch guy but not a founder.
And current descriptions only have the killing be a brainwashed bit, running off and returning to talon is (as of her ow2 website lore) her decision to avoid authorities and jump on the (likely pavlovian) thrill she got to killing.
Amélie Lacroix was the wife of a key member of overwatch, Gerard Lacroix. After several failed assassination attempts against Gerard, Talon kidnapped Amélie to drug and torture her which suppressed her feelings and turned her into a heartless assassin. When they finally got Amélie back, she murdered Gerard in his sleep and went back to Talon under the name of Widowmaker.
Again, emotional suppression came after her return. The official site describes a clear order of operations
the "killed him in his sleep" is an important part - she wasn't trained as a sniper until after she returned to Talon
so she probably smothered him
Thank you for your service guys🥹
so like, Sierra's mom will be playable sometime?
i mean, she's Soldier 0
i wonder what she can do
Possibly?
I don’t think we even have confirmation she’s alive currently 😭
I don't think we have any reason to believe she's dead
I doubt it
She isn't much more interesting then Sierra
And Sierra isn't that interesting herself
I saw someone say that Sierra feels more like a game mechanic then part of lore and I kinda understand that
Her only purpose in the lore is to remind us that helix security exists
Just for her to join overwatch
lmao
she also opens up more of the Super Soldier storyline
it's something they've been doing - giving a unique perspective on a storyline
like instead of how they made a hero out of one of the first people on Mars, they made a hero out of their child, the first person born on Mars
they did flag the whole "it is unknown how the children of SEP experiments turned out" in Declassified
LAST season even!
for those not keeping up with all the overwatch lore leaks, what comic are you referring to? I know the webtoons one exist but is there more than just that coming?
This motion comic thumbnail/description for moira with the super soldier serum that appeared like before S1’s mid season patch then vanished, reappeared in this mid season patch then vanished again
Ingrid mention
she also showed up in the most recent webtoon that went free I assume we will get a little more of her but idk
Maybe they'll get a new base made by the arcology
https://x.com/i/status/2055020271963185626
Ooo teaser of a story we don't know yet?
Genji and Sierra interactions @OWvoicelines
Advice from the champ of overextending :v
Domina it's my wife (lore says so)
the way they keep screwing up the moira patch is so funny to me
its not intentional i know but i cant wait for the day it IS and we all think it's STILL bunk
I haven’t been following the game lore since a good while anyone has a good resume of the whole lore they could share? I could use a refresh and also learn if there is something new
this is pretty comprehensive. I think there's a thing or two missing but this'll keep you busy for a while:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1t9mmue/complete_list_of_overwatch_lore_by_release_date/?solution=af49a57aef124535af49a57aef124535&js_challenge=1&token=bbbe4bf1c9a2b5160829c4be34da58613b056edb3dc9a50692c9285e2f965457&jsc_orig_r=
Awesome you are the best thank youuuu
you chose to link a reddit post over my Google doc? I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed
Overwatch Lore DatabaseBy Doctor_Six For lore discussion, join my server. Entries highlighted grey are not hosted by an official source.Entries highlighted green require a purchase. Please report any broken links. Title Release Date Type Overwatch Cinematic Trailer November 7, 2014 An...
it was the last post I saw I still had the tab open T_T
I should see about making a command to link the database
Can someone please dumb the lore down for me? 😬
In the 2070s, humanity was advancing to new global heights with AI, then the machines suddenly turned against them without warning leading to the Omnic Crisis, but a new organization of heroes were formed to stop it, Overwatch
They were successful in ending the war and entering a new era where the machines, omnics, they once fought against became sentient while Overwatch operated as a global task force for years, until they were shut down due to public opinion on their actions
Now a new generation of Overwatch is coming together to stop Null Sector and Talon
Omnic crisis was like 2040s
this is in release not chronological, if this was in chronological I'd say it'd be far more valuable
we don't know the chronological order of a lot of the lore
just our best guess
release order is still valuable, to see how the lore has changed over time
There’s a guy called Diego solans who has a website with all the lore in chronological order
great im in the right place

https://diegosolanoc.github.io/Overwatch-Atlas/
this is a WIP, should have a good approximation of the entire lore
info from page 15 onwards is not finished but it should show t he events and relative links in order at least
dates are just personal approximation and not confirmed
2050S Actually
This link right here by myself and Diego is chronological
this is awesome wtf?!?!?
Your welcome
It's been months in the making
Just don't open it on mobile I haven't optimized that in like a month
Proceeds to open it on mobile bc my laptop is all the way over there...
It actually looks real good on mobile! Portrait mode is best, it functions pretty well and looks real pro
Blizzard should hire you/buy this design fr
This is genuinely fantastic even if clearly wip this is amazing
actual gem oh my

To my knowledge, even the Overwatch Fandom Wiki page doesn't have all the faction logos in HD
Had to do those myself for the website lmfao
WIP my ass this is baller
fantastic work
Thanks lol
It's just daunting to keep writing the data for the timeline and Sylas keeps coming up with ideas for things to add lol
yeah, i get it
always new stuff to add haha
amazing work, thank u so much for this
you may be the goat
Alright, who's the mod to deal with thi.... never mind
What
I think there was a spam/inappropriate post that got deleted
ILLARI AND EMRE ARE CONNECTED TO EACHOTHER
A bot account yes
When this season ends?
How long is 9 weeks?
June 16th I think. You can see the official estimate in the time remaining on the battle pass, but that's subject to change sometimes
Isn't the official estimate bugged atm and says something like 202620 days
i like how mercy is slowly losing her accent since ow1, it feels realistic seeing how shes been speaking a lot of English since then
Do you think Domina is Indian or Punjabi (both races from India) despite she's (might be) born & raised in London?
Also ||Punjabi has higher caste & considered as Dalits (Untouchable) since they're Ancestral North Indians compared to Ancestral South Indians||
I'm pretty sure shes both
Her ult voice line has both Hindi and punjabi
words in them
I think domino’s is black
Alright thx
why is mauga like dripping in blood in his new diver skin
on his legs
is it a visual glitch or is it intended?
it's supposed to be water
Ohhh okay ty! I have no idea how they even made that mistake its so weird
Game developing is weird sometimes ig
it def looks like water in my game - maybe it's your graphic settings or smt
I def think it's the lighting + water + his skin tone = blood 😭 lmao. I was asked about it when the skin released and I was like, uhhhh? wtf?
Yeah to be fair I do have my graphics on minimum hahah
Mine are on ultra or epic and same thing for me
gonna have to kill moira to cut down cost for the VA
Maybe later down the line
I feel like before the PVE was released they said they arent afraid to kill of characters but in dooms case yeah hes still alive for sure
characters like Rein on the other hand is just surrounded with deathflags lol
yeah basically what they (Jeff K) said a looooong time ago was that if a hero dies in the lore, they would still be playable in the game
makes me fear for ||hanzo|| after that whole lore thing in ||where honor lives||
though I doubt it
Perhaps, he's def not a "safe" hero imo
I mean, his arc is one about how in stepping away from his old life he left a power vacuum (further worsened when OW went real killy on the rest of Shimada), and implies the full arc of that is resuming some kind of responsibility
Feels safe in its narrative beats
Compare that to say, Rein, whose subtext is pretty much begging for death
he did go through ||being shot in the shoulder and just barely surviving blood loss|| so I mean. I hope not that’s not in the cards for my goat yet
Sure, but like, narratively experiencing peril does not make you any more likely to narratively die, if that makes sense.
Yeah, someone in a higher risk situation in life is more likely to die, because that's probability.
Narrative is something purely controlled, and follows different rules than that
mhm!! this is a better way to say kinda what i wanted to portray
so im writing a fanfic based around both the Null Sector invasion and Reign of Talon and rn im trying to figure out the amount of missions I want to assign to the Null Sector arc
I have about 11-12 chapters so far idk if I should go for about 15 or
like I feel I can squeeze in a few more
Chapter 1 - Zero Hour - Paris, France
Chapter 2 - New Blood - Busan, South Korea
Chapter 3 - Resistance - Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
Chapter 4 - Liberation - Toronto, Canada
Chapter 5 - Iron Clad - Gothenburg, Sweden
Chapter 6 - Enlightenment - Varanasi, India
Chapter 7 - ??? - New York City, United States
Chapter 8 - ??? - Sydney, Australia
Chapter 9 - ??? - Delacruz, Mexico
Chapter 10 - Underworld - London, United Kingdom
Chapter 11 - ??? - Lagos, Nigeria
last Chapter of the arc - ??? - Buenos Aires, Argentina
but idk what kind of plot or story padding I could do
Sounds cool, i'd be willing to help with this sorta stuff if you want to. I'm also doing some fanfics one of them on Overwatch.
DM me if you want to
We need more solder 76 lore
With how they’re going with him, Sombra, and Illari, I can see them adding more to his lore really soon.
now I just need Venture and Hazard to do something in the lore besides exist
I feel like if sombra gets something venture gets something and Hazard idk who he is connected to
Overwatch kind of?
Iirc it was an overwatch aircraft that crashed onto him, which ended up with him losing most of his limbs.
But that was like 10 years ago inlore so idk if there is anything new with that
There’s also a connection with Moira seeing that it was her Oasis technology, i.e. the spiky lean, that he stole and uses to fuel his abilities

