lore-discussion

[brittle sky]

She's not awakened in the same way as omnics, her road to self awareness is or was much messier, and learning or mirroring through copying is still her thing.

That said, she does not seem to be missing any real cognitive aspect of sapience (self aware, reflective, demonstrates agency, perspective, choice) and there's a recurrent theme of people underestimating her awareness, so the line excluding her from sapience is rather arbitrary.

[wary flame]

Echo is an AI along the lines of Athena and Anubis. Anubis was the god program that was evil, it ran during the omnic crisis, I think it was tied to temple of anubis, that program is a step up from Athena and Echo, echo is just the embodiment of the AI program.

Athena is a seperate AI.

[keen summit]

I wouldnt call Anubis evil

Icl

I get why you'd call it that but it didn't mean any harm, it only followed its directive, in its case it was in charge of well, ecology

[wary flame]

Unintentionally malicious(

[keen summit]

Also

Echo was made to try and copy what they achieved with aurora

Aka a truly sentient robot

Athena icl we know, next to nothing about

We can assume that because its an ai named after a god that its atleast similar to other god programs, but its never been confirmed

[wary flame]

I just wish they tied the lore of torb to the lore of athena with it in lock down / custody while its being worked on idk

[keen summit]

I wish we'd get anything on athena tbh

Like we are learning more about Chernobog rn which was the god program i was most interested in so im very happy bout thar

[opal stratus]

I just learned abt sigmas lore and was wondering if there’s a site or a thread where I could read the entirety of the overwatch lore

[keen summit]

thats a big ask

not really

start at media on overwatch site

[meager geyser]

Or watch one of those lore breakdown videos on YouTube

[noble scroll]

as for more recent lore, I believe they have a tab on the game itself now for the more recent season lore stuff if you’re interested in that as well

I think sigma also has a cinematic somewhere if you look it up on YouTube, those are always fun to watch

[silent linden]

There is a channel called hammeh

He does a lot of overwatch lore

Also he has a nice voice

[ruby ridge]

Do y’all think we might ever get a louella/lou lou thg type hero in OW?

Maybe Kendra

[silent linden]

What?

What is louella

[ruby ridge]

Watch his hero trailer first
And then read the “code of violence book”, just look up OW code of violence
Then read his overwatch website hero profile

And then listen to the ingame voicelines or go on YouTube for a full resume

[silent linden]

Ngl...im hoping Blizzard go very edgy for overwatch in future for no reason

[ruby ridge]

It’s a character in the hunger games franchise

It’s basically a girl who died and got replaced with a girl who looked like her but the girl was extremely brainwashed and was used to spy on the “good guys”

[silent linden]

I read the hunger game i dont know who that is

Wait...is she from one of the prequel book?

[ruby ridge]

But everyone knew she was being controlled/used to spy but she was still a human

[ruby ridge]

Yes

[silent linden]

Oh then i havent

I read them when i was like elementary

Hot take, overwatch next asian character shouldnt be from China, or Japan

[civic lynx]

Well

[noble scroll]

the next ones confirmed to be from Japan! leader of the hashimoto

[meager geyser]

Ngl, I never cared about the whole Shimada VS Hashimoto war. I always thought of it as a background for personal story of Hanzo and Genji.

[silent linden]

Of course 😭

Ngl the way blizzard handle Japanese character is literally "oh every japanese is a ninja"

Like come on

[meager geyser]

Nahh, everyone from Japan is a ninja which can wall climb! Am I right Mizuki?

[silent linden]

I mean he still a ninja

[meager geyser]

A ninja that can't climb on walls

But Hazard can

lmao

[civic lynx]

S3’s hero is described as being cass but a woman so if they mean that as in literally everything including kit is the same type of shit then she would be more of a stand around and click heads than fast ninja with mobility

[silent linden]

I mean we have to see. I just kind of cringe when blizzard keep pulling stereotype

Like blizzard think they are being diverse but it end up looking racist

[civic lynx]

The only appearance description I’ve seen is she has some sort of “anime” face and is slightly older than the recent heroes

[silent linden]

Im hoping the giant big guy silhouettes is an omnic

[civic lynx]

She’s not

She’s one of Dva’s squad mates

[silent linden]

Damn

We need more omnic

[civic lynx]

Th guy behind Sierra is an omnic support for s5

[silent linden]

That nice at least

[meager geyser]

I've seen someone once say that overwatch characters are stereotypical, but I think that's kinda necessary when you don't want your international cast to be rainbow six roster - where outside of a flag on a uniform and a name, there's nothing that represents their nationality.

However I do agree that their representation of Japan ||(and the whole east Asia tbh)|| is kinda concerning...

[silent linden]

I will say this i like mauga and baptise

Mauga is poleynesian without being stereotypical and unique personality.

[meager geyser]

I like how Illari represents Peruvian culture and history

[silent linden]

It just funny that every Japanese character is the same honor and ancestors

Or duty and discipline

It like one of the most steoretype east asian thing

[meager geyser]

And shinto! Don't forget that they're heavily influenced by shinto.

[silent linden]

Exactly

I hope blizzard release a south east asian heroes

From filipino or vietnam

[meager geyser]

It's like if Reinhardt litteraly had a cross on his shield, because he's a crusader

[silent linden]

Because he is German

[meager geyser]

That would a different cross...

[silent linden]

I remember when reinhardt cinematic release comment "why do german have all the cool shit"

Somebody replied "superior race" 😭 😭 😭 😭

[meager geyser]

😭

[silent linden]

But seriously though Overwatch really need to explore crusader lore

You mean there is an entire military order invovled people wearing cool armor and sword?

[civic lynx]

S6’s hero hivemind is linked to rein (she forced his retirement from ow since she escaped him) but I don’t think they’ll reveal anything with the crusaders as part of it

[past copper]

They're all dead

There's nothing to explore

[silent linden]

I mean they can bring them back

[meager geyser]

And their basically super soldiers from warhammer 40.000 ||(or whatever they're called, idk much about warhammer lore)||

[silent linden]

Space marine. Yes

[past copper]

If they wanted to bring them back, they would have

[silent linden]

Did blizzard said that?

[meager geyser]

Show something from the past. Like an archive event.

Man they need to bring back archives...

[past copper]

30 years and they haven't. The Crusaders served their purpose in the Crisis

There's nothing to else to talk about with then

[civic lynx]

I really hope they do either PvE archives or a lore event with a set of like 5 comics or something that goes further into heroes origins eventually

[meager geyser]

The fun police arrived

[silent linden]

Blizzcon is this september

We shall see

[past copper]

If being the logical smart one makes me the fun police, give me a badge

[civic lynx]

And allegedly ow isn’t really the focus

Blizzard are gearing up to announce a new PvE StarCraft game

[silent linden]

We probably see a cinematic

[civic lynx]

That’ll be the main BlizzCon thing that gets showered with attention

[silent linden]

Im excitef for starcraft

May be ANOTHER STARCRAFT SKIN

[civic lynx]

Impossible, 18 more le sserafim skins

[silent linden]

😭 😭

[meager geyser]

If they announce Starcraft 3, D.va playing Starcraft 2 in like 2070 would be even less realistic

[silent linden]

There are people still playing the original brood wars in korea

[civic lynx]

This one seems to be a spin off rather than full StarCraft 3

[silent linden]

In fact Blizzard remastered Og starcraft BECAUSE KOREA didnt like Starcraft 2

If anything Dva being starcraft 2 purist is par for the course of starcraft fan base 😭 😭

[gray raven]

Allegedly if there’s enough support (there is) and they find a work around on the engine archives will be back in anniversary

[civic lynx]

I don’t think it’ll be this year tbh

[gray raven]

Now the real question is will anniversary be in May or September

[civic lynx]

It’s confirmed for this season

[silent linden]

I just want story mode again

[silent linden]

Null sector uprising was fun

[civic lynx]

They’re not celebrating OW2’s anniversary anymore

[gray raven]

Yeah Because that game is dead

[silent linden]

Well because overwatch 2 is just overwatch

[civic lynx]

If we see archives return I think it could be next year

[gray raven]

Yeah ow killed ow2

[civic lynx]

Gives them more time to work on it and re-run them for uprising’s 10th anniversary

[gray raven]

I am only missing archive achievements I really hope it comes back

[silent linden]

Although have you guy see the new game by Jeff kaplan?

[gray raven]

Nope never heard of legend of California

[silent linden]

😭 😭

[civic lynx]

I’ve heard of it but I’m not that interested in it

[gray raven]

My feed has been spammed with helldivers lol

[civic lynx]

My feed is mostly tomodachi life

[gray raven]

Oh and siege can’t forget siege

I’m hyped for new tank this winter

[silent linden]

Question

[gray raven]

Answer?

[silent linden]

Is hawaii independent in overwatch universe

[meager geyser]

The fact that they've retconned my goat Rammatra out of the main story in a short story is sad to me 😔 He deserved better

[gray raven]

Kinda

[silent linden]

Im still salty about that. Ram is legit one of the most interesting character ever release and blizzard DID NOTHING with him

[gray raven]

Hawaii is apart of the Polynesian league if I’m correct which is the pacific island coalition

[silent linden]

Sos did the U.S break apart in this universe

[gray raven]

Well it’s weird tbh

The USA is still a thing with all 50 states

I think Hawaii is in both groups kinda like how most of Europe is apart of the eu and nato

God I might be a d.mon main when they drop, although I do wonder if they will be like d.va and have a unmeched form

[silent linden]

Also did Australia just become mad max style wasteland?

[south torrent]

They said that was very hard to do and that’s why we never got another hero from her squad iirc 😭

[silent linden]

Or the government is ok that junker queen ruled most of their nation?

[gray raven]

Yet our sierra leaker said next tank is a part

[potent briar]

It would be funny

Especially in 6v6

Baby dva and baby dmon running around trying to remech

[south torrent]

I meant the mech and unmeched form

[civic lynx]

The outback did

The coastal cities are fine

[gray raven]

Aussie (to end the omnic crisis in their land) game the clankers a factory of osmium, the people of Australia not very happy so the destroyed the factory which ruined the Australian outback

[civic lynx]

Sydney is shown in lucioball and art as the same futuristic city as the rest of the world has

[gray raven]

Gotcha

Still I do wonder when it’s leaked that d.mon will be like Angela how that will play into ow compared to rivals

[civic lynx]

I think she’d be a bit slower than Angela tbh

When I played rivals Angela was movin at breakneck speed all over the place

[gray raven]

Trying to remember other leaks

I know next season is gonna be pretty much a female Cassidy

[civic lynx]

S3 is cass 2.0, 5 is the anti heal AOE support, 6 is hivemind with nano drones

[gray raven]

I’m still scared of the anti heal

[civic lynx]

They need to very closely monitor it if real

[gray raven]

I think it’ll be like a mix of wayang and ram

[civic lynx]

Him being melee to me gives brig

But even more anti dive

[gray raven]

I could see it

[trim knoll]

is hivemind a tank?

[south torrent]

Support

[trim knoll]

also anyone bored enough to try a thing I made for stadium?

[trim knoll]

yesssss

I'm so excited after they gave us Mizuki my hopes are sky high

[hollow spire]

Im lazy so I'm bumming off the lore professors here um has anything else significantly happened after Vendetta's take over and what happened in Crossroads for whoever read it because I'm lazy

[gray raven]

I just realized

If archives does come back (assuming it’s everything) I can do retribution with vendetta

I can kill her father with her

[civic lynx]

I think the missions if you did the all heroes one skips cutscenes 😭

[civic lynx]

Sombra, reaper and widow left talon, Emre + Freja attacked watchpoint grand mesa and stole the super soldier serum (probably to give it to moira so she can enhance talon agents), the crossroads comic is the grand mesa attack from cass’ perspective coming into contact with Ashe again and goes deeper into what happened when cass joined blackwatch

[hollow spire]

thank you /genuine

[edgy meadow]

the ongoing overwatch undivided webtoon series also describe the events that happen following the attack on gibraltar

parallel to the seasonal events

[silent linden]

do blizzard follow the story based on who won?

what if Talon won? do they canceled all their comic?

[grand wedge]

no

[civic lynx]

The conquest event seemingly meant nothing

It was just to give players something to work towards

[grand wedge]

because in lore : Talon won, and Overwatch abandonned Gibraltar

[silent linden]

They did?

[civic lynx]

Yeah the destroyed version of Gibraltar we have now is lore accurate

Talon is seen attacking and forcing ow to leave in the webtoon

[silent linden]

Where it said that?

[civic lynx]

The webtoon shows the attack

the map is now reflecting that lore event and showing just how much destruction talon did to force them out

[grand wedge]

in this comic : https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/comic/from-the-ashes/

And there is the Juno POV in the webtoon there : https://www.webtoons.com/en/action/overwatch/list?title_no=9843

[slim pine]

Is mercy's resurrect ability in game and lore or is it just a game ability?

[spare fox]

In lore it's more like a mega-fast full body heal to get the downed person back in the fight. It doesn't actually bring someone back from the dead

[leaden swallow]

Does anyone know when sombra is getting my boy sigma out? Also is ramattras lore gonna continue anytime soon or is he dunzo

[lyric chasm]

We don't know.

Sombra will probably get the spotlight soon, alongside Emre, considering both are tied to the Conspiracy.

[marble basin]

so umm, regarding the latest premium undivided comic:

||rip athena :(||

[vale loom]

Rein should die next

[patent moth]

im glad the latest premium webtoon gave bastion a bit of focus

that being said ||given what torbjorn said, i think its lampshading the fact that bastion might have another ptsd episode, considering hes willing to tell efi that bastion doesnt mess up in spite of what we know||

||to be fair, reinhardt was actively trying to kill bastion||

[fading ridge]

Can people go follow my gaming account ( nrfbastion67 )its on tiktok an instagram overwatchclips

[keen summit]

tbf bastion in pve didnt shoot its like putting your hands on a weapon to someone running at you with a giant weapon

[patent moth]

torbjorn specifically mentions ||misidentifying a threst, but at the same time hes likely just showboating||

[keen summit]

||i wouldnt say its misidentifying though cuz in that case, rein was actively running with it with intent to crush, so it was an threat yet bastion still didnt shoot||

||personally i think the more likely thing is that bastion will NOT shoot when needed because it keeps being told to not shoot humans by himself now, so when he does have to how will he properly identify what IS a threat?||

[patent moth]

||100% agreed here, as a bastion hyperfixater. i just think torb is obviously playing up bastions abilities to efi because thats the type of person he is||

[patent moth]

||honestly i think thats more likely, and i hope thats explored over the other sngle, because its much more truebto his character||

[keen summit]

||it shows how his growth is kinda hard but can also show how bastion needs to overcome stuff||

[patent moth]

indeed

[edgy meadow]

chat how do you get access to the premium episodes again

[grand wedge]

7 coins by episodes, only on the Wbtoon app.

[spare fox]

Let's not forget the Torb and Bastion short story it's confirmed that Torb wiped all the last of Anubis programing from Bastion, so he has total and complete control over his own actions

[ruby ridge]

What Exacrly happened? || bastion got a ptsd episode abd shot Athena? ||

[indigo rivet]

I just got caught up on the webcomic

So ||Athena is dead then?||

[mossy vale]

Yes, unfortunately. That’s what it’s looking like

[grand wedge]

|| Winston destroyed the command center before they left||

[grand wedge]

And for Bastion : || nothing happened in this webtoon, juts Torb fixed him real quick.|| Bastion growth is shown in his animated short, comic, and Torb's journal (and PVE gotteborg cutscene)

[spare fox]

https://x.com/i/status/2049231815928594820

y'all might!! (@ravenstaag_)

incredible voice line lmao, i'm assuming it's coming out for the anniversary

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Omg chef's kiss

[odd slate]

apparently mizu has one where he says "beneath my mask....is my face"

lmao

[languid nacelle]

i still enjoy blasting my lobby with "ill sleep when im dead"

[indigo rivet]

I seen someone say that Mitzi being hostile to Fika could be more foreshadowing that Fika is hiding something

Obviously there's an equal chance its just cat schenigans but you can add it onto all the other stuff hinting Fika is hiding something

[odd slate]

i think mizu was trying to be joking with her and fika doesnt like his vibe haha

it read to me more as she could somehow tell he was lying or is a liar and reacting based off that

able to tell in that way that animals can sometimes tell more things about humans

[shrewd pivot]

I saw a panel reposted of webcomic, seems Mitzi and Fika are both alive at the same time. I'm so curious why they chose to make Fika and not Mitzi to be jetpack cat, it could imply that they made JPC Fika for a lore reason.

Edit: Mitzi in the scene full context seems to be jealous of Fika or wanting personal space rather than it being inherently some clue imo? But who knows lol

[shrewd pivot]

Welp. Friend just shared the most recent chapters to me. Tw spoilers: How does ||Athena sacrificing like that make sense? That's such a fundamentally giant loss, all that data and communications infrastructure gone. There's no way Athena is actually fully destroyed right??? The characters should be treating this as a massive loss to overwatch's organization abilities. I wonder what Echo will think... Also. How does Juno not know about Doomfist with Orisa on the team? I get Juno is a newbie POV, but Juno not knowing who Doomfist is really doesn't make sense. It was interesting to see the IJC, but yeah this really reframes Sojourn's forgiving aspects as of late (like Sojourn seemingly forgiving Winston's recall of Wuyang and Anran), she is extremely focused on coordination for the limited time they have left before Overwatch disbands. And last thought, I found Mercy's little hug interaction with Ingrid sweet. ||

Also within context of the scene and how the webcomic reads, the Juno and Wuyang blushing reads more like they are happy to greet eachother rather than blushing bc of crushes? Like individual panels sure, but within context of the scene it reads like a happy greeting often seen in webcomics.
Like, the romance in the comic COULD be Juno and Wuyang, but it very well could be a different character relationship entirely.

[noble scroll]

as much as people like to ship them, and the fanart of them is super cute, I think Juno and wuyang are in a case where they just don’t talk to people much. they’re learning what talking to people is like, especially Juno who seems a lot more innocent and not as in-the-know with human interaction

if I had to guess whose gonna be the romance though.. I’m really hoping it’s emre and freya. I don’t ship much in overwatch besides gency and yeehan but emre and freya are pretty darn cute together if I say so myself. would love to see them extended on more as a duo

[shrewd pivot]

I hope it's not Emre and Freja bc honestly it seems like a soap opera romance (with inevitable self sacrifice), but more than anything, I hope it's not og overwatch Emre and Freja confirmed as romantic bc that's like, best case scenario 23 year old fresh new recruit thrill seeker Freja x 33 seasoned agent Emre who is supposed to be ethical lol (he left overwatch due to it's corruption)

As for Wuyang and Juno I don't ship them personally, but It depends how it's handled in the webcomic if it does end up being the romance

[noble scroll]

I mean tbf I wouldn’t ship them obviously if the ages were weird but they’re a duo I see and go more “oh yeah they’re cool”. same with wuyang and Juno. they aren’t ships to me personally but duos I’d like to see more of

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah imo if Freja was older, the ship wouldn't be such a big deal. So far for canon Freja had romantic subtext within comics, but Emre has not had any in return.

[noble scroll]

I talked with somebody briefly about the possibility of the writers being like “oh yeah hashimoto leader x hanzo” in season three and goodness I hope not. not for any other reason other than it wouldn’t make sense with what hanzo’s dealing with etc

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah that's very unlikely

[noble scroll]

ofc this was just like an idea we tossed up in the air as a joke (me and the person I was chatting with) but I don’t think they’d do something like that

I wanna see hanzo beef 💔 I’m just hoping the hashimoto leader isn’t just monotone voice like Mizuki is

[shrewd pivot]

best guesses for what the romance plot might be thus far are the following: Juno x Wuyang, or Freja x Emre, or Mercy x Genji (bc of the recent plushies)

No idea tho really, I just hope the romance is written decently within the story.

[noble scroll]

I prefer more like slow burn stuff when it comes to that.. thinking about it a lot of characters aren’t in a good state for pairings at all

like just as a random example Cassidy’s got that whole thing going on from crossroads, he seems more stressed out about deadlock and talon at the same time

[shrewd pivot]

Agreed lol, characters have a lot of stuff to worry about atm

[noble scroll]

Juno’s not in terms with the human world enough yet at least in my eyes to be shipped with anybody at the moment, genji I think would be more mentally prepared for something like that but with talon I don’t think genji would want to have someone that could potentially be put in harms way

I don’t think any of them that are super popular in shipping rn are probably in a good state to be with somebody it’s either like. boom talon. boom, null sector. just as much stress as possible for these heroes rn

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah imo Juno has a good ways to go learning about earth and settling in to dangerous hero work before she can even think about pursuing a romantic relationship.

Edit: I agree about Genji too, wouldn't want to endanger.

[noble scroll]

hanzos in a very similar state to me, although his circumstances are obviously VERY different

[drifting vapor]

Hey I was wondering if hivemind's gonna be revamped too fit the current mold of ow designs,does that mean her lore too as well?

[shrewd pivot]

Unknown, all we have are rumors that the silhouette with a hat and hexagons might be hivemind. We will have to wait and see if her lore (a few mentions in text) gets changed any

[noble scroll]

I have a feeling for sure they’ll fix up the model for them (if it is truly is that character) but lore wise maybe? we gotta wait for that

[drifting vapor]

Ah thank you so much,I was wondering if she'll end up being Kendra lol since it's not the first time someone was augmented too an extent and she isn't dead within Sierra's story.

[shrewd pivot]

I don't think there was any canon design for hivemind yet tho? All we had were concepts

[drifting vapor]

I see ty

[civic lynx]

I think her lore is following the storyline of her being involved in the mission that led to rein’s forced retirement, they will probably actually show that for her origin story/reveal comic

From what I know the mission has just been described but never actually shown in any sort of visual

[shrewd pivot]

Pardon to curve the topic, but mannnnnn the webcomic has me so curious what Sojourn's longterm plan is.

[fluid sparrow]

so why does the turk speak swedish

[south torrent]

Who?

If you’re talking about Emre that’s Finnish 😭

And it’s because his ai is based in Finland

[odd slate]

oh mitzi is someone completely different
ignore what i said i thought it was a typo lmfao

[odd slate]

gency would make me so happy....

i want the plushes so bad ugh

[spare fox]

Yeah ngl, I'm not hardcore into the ships they're teasing: Emre/Freja and Juno/Wuyang but they work nicely

Idr get the whole "but it's unethical / age gap (still adults) / Juno hasn't been on Earth long enough" discourse like... it's a story, not giving advice to your coworkers

I def think the panel with Wuyang and Juno blushing is the beginning of a puppy love plot line
I want to see how it unfolds

Especially with each of them getting advice - solicited and unsolicited- from Anran and Auntie Mei respectively

[peak escarp]

a 10 year age gap isn't unethical

as long as they're both consenting adults and there isn't a power imbalance

[shrewd pivot]

The 34 and 44 isn't the concern, it's the past og overwatch agent era for Freja and Emre lore that has a power dynamic situation

And it's more about character motivations like, Juno has a lot on her plate, as do many characters. I don't think she really has time to manage allll that's happening + a romantic relationship atm. I think treating relationships as something meaningful to maintain (be it platonic or otherwise, it carries responsibility) adds to groundedness in overwatch's worldbuilding and makes characters feel more lively.

I'm not against a romance plot, I just hope it fits well within the writing/pacing of the webcomic.

[spare fox]

I just think it's FAR more interesting for a story to have two characters have attraction/feelings for each other, let it play out - whether they learn it works or not
Rather than curtailing it bc [insert real world reason here] which is... boring and sanitized

[peak escarp]

bringing real world reasons into fiction is always boring

[shrewd pivot]

When a story does not write relationships with a purpose (like character growth, or to say something to the reader about X subject) either it ends up as an angsty breakup, or you get kind of ooc no stakes romance, both fall into soap opera-y writing which isn't really my cup of tea.

Ideally there would be relationships that progress a character arc or showcase some general themes of the series. It's really easy to mess up roster x roster romance imo, but imo roster x npc has been handled decently

Honestly I think bringing in grounded reasons as to why something does or does not work, makes a fictional world feel more immersive and relatable. I enjoy scifi (tends to be outlandish but grounded cause and effect) a lot more than high fantasy (loose magic rules, anything can happen, etc) for that reason.

And overwatch is set on a future earth where we can recognize familiar cultures and countries still (it's not say, a faaaar future where boarders are completely changed), sprinkle in some superhero scifi 'magics' and you get a fun ip that feels grounded but still fantastical and fun

[peak escarp]

I enjoy fiction of any kind because it lets you escape the problems of real life

so trying to bring up real world issues takes the fun out of it

[shrewd pivot]

Overwatch's themes include having Hope for the future of Earth and humanity though, no?

[peak escarp]

yes, a future earth where we've move past these issues

[shrewd pivot]

Mei touches on climate change

Lúcio vs Vishkar touches on class division

Hazard has ableism that veterans face front and center in his story

Ramattra touches on the horrors of war

Overwatch is very much about human hubris and about having hope for a better future. Great improvements have been made but there's still work to be done, "the world could always use more heroes" yada yada

[peak escarp]

and honestly, a lot of the issues probably never crossed the devs/writer's minds when writing it

[shrewd pivot]

I doubt that. Oasis is an example of the devs specifically wanting to portray Iraq differently

It's a T rated "optumistic future" so that's probably why we don't see certain kinds of discrimination outright, but there's still ableism front and center as a type of discrimination in overwatch's story imo

Not that the devs heavily considered every angle or anything, but to create an optumistic future, you would address certain issues within the worldbuilding, declassified did so with all the tech advancements being listed

[peak escarp]

what ableism?

pretty much any hero with a disability has a way to overcome it

and aren't discriminated against for having a disability

[shrewd pivot]

Ableism from the societal aspects. Sojourn faced discrimination for her prosthesis, and Hazard was given bare minimum to survive and told to shut up by the higher ups.

Edit: Also Symmetra being compelled to mask her autistic symptoms.

I meant ableism as a discrimination type a character faces, not that a character's portrayal was ableist, pardon

[peak escarp]

that's not really "front and center"

those are things that happened in backstory and were overcome

my point was that I don't want to be thinking about isms when I enjoy my superhero fiction, and Overwatch doesn't really dwell on them

[shrewd pivot]

Ah pardon my wording, I meant front and center being portrayed. Like blatantly shown. beyond omnic discrimination idk what other discrimination is front and center in overwatch beyond ableism. Maybe ageism? Idk

I mean, superheroes fight against the isms... that's kind of the point of superheroes, the foundation of the superhero genre. To fight hatred, like og Superman, etc

Overwatch doesn't dwell too heavy on certain topics because it's T rated and global game, so they steer away from certain topics all together. (I doubt we will get Volskaya lore any time soon)

But yeah idk i am kind of suprised ngl, bc overwatch is fundamentally a lore based on a war (omnic crisis) and how that war impacts the world. The overwatch lore touches on and leaves lots of isms to be addressed there (all of Vishkar lore for example)

[past copper]

Hey, if there was a possible Overwatch x FNAF collab, who you think would get the skins?

Aside from Kiriko as Foxy

[zinc obsidian]

it doesn't fit

[wooden drift]

I don't think fnaf ever would do Collab like these. Dbd was an exception

[civic lynx]

I think Scott said he’d only do collabs with horror things

That’s why we never got Fortnite x fnaf

[cold berry]

Anyone else facing issues in the game? I get stuck in the loading screen and it shows I have 300 ping, but if I manage to get past the loading screen I have 70 ping. I keep getting kicked for inactivity and banned cause of it.

[leaden swallow]

Really? I feel like we’ve gotten fnaf collabs with non horror things. I could just be tripping

We got rec room but that’s like saying a gmod and fnaf collab. We also got Popeyes and Fanta but those aren’t media so I guess they don’t count either. The only real collabs fnaf has has are creep castle and dbd

[civic lynx]

IIRC he said he doesn’t want to collab with anything that would damage the scare factor of the ip

DBD was approved bc it’s a horror game

[haughty hill]

salut une idee du probleme svp parfois ma souris marche pas que en jeu je peux tire mais bouger la tete du hero impossible
je comprend pas

pourtant sur mon pc ca marche normal

[twilit patrol]

Sorry this is lore channel and it's not a french server

[haughty hill]

sorry

[heady wigeon]

Wait

Can someone PLEASE tell me what in the world did they do to Athena???

They DELETED her? What happened? All I see is Winston crying 😭

[edgy meadow]

i still dont understand if the only way to get coins to read ahead on the webtoon is by paying or not

[heady wigeon]

So we’re just…CASUALLY killing MAIN characters like this and we’re not going bananas?

Athena’s deletion should’ve been treated like Tony Stark’s death. Such a massive loss of dang near all the history of Overwatch.

[peak escarp]

Athena isn't exactly a main character

and it's possible there's a way to restore her

[spare fox]

hm, but IF there's a way to restore her, isn't that even worse? since she's in Talon's hands now

[heady wigeon]

But she’s still an integral part to many Overwatch players considering how many got introduced to Overwatch b/c of her and Winston.

And her being revived is cool, but if they had the balls to kill her off here…then maybe it should have more power behind it. Not a “ah dang…she died. Time to revive her, but for evil!”

[heady wigeon]

They must have some extensive brainwashing because Athena has so much history with Overwatch. I don’t see them converting her easily.

Oh wait, clt c clt v

[peak escarp]

no I mean Overwatch might be able to restore her, once Talon is dealt with

or they'll like, reveal that Efi made a backup before they left and Athena is fine

the fact that they didn't make a huge deal of it (like with Doomfist's death) makes me feel like it will be undone at some point

[peak escarp]

also spoilers, damn

[spare fox]

Well it might be bc Athena isn't sentient? But yeah I think there's going to be some restoration or Athena 2.0 in the future

[peak escarp]

also that

losing Athena is like losing Siri

[merry mason]

But it is crazy that they killed her i wasn’t expecting that

[heady wigeon]

Sorry…

But the film did come out nearly a decade ago, it’s on Disney plus, and it can be pirated so…

[brittle sky]

I think more the spoiler of what happened in a comic still behind a paywall?

[peak escarp]

both, but I don't care about Tony Stark

[elfin apex]

https://discord.com/channels/94882524378968064/1499583997855010938

[keen summit]

the trivia bot is wrong..

[noble scroll]

this was only revealed recently to be Kirko’s father! I’m sure this was an added question before the new interactions happened to come out :)

[shrewd pivot]

I agree tbh

It felt like only Winston was the one reacting to a monumental loss to overwatch's information and organization infrastructure lol

Characters don't need a personal connection to ||Athena to know Athena is integral to overwatch's functioning and coordination||

[heady wigeon]

I…was under the impression that most people knew of what was going on because someone did discuss in two days ago. But my bad.

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah tbh I think the way they monetized the chapters like they did is nickle and diming fans, just be sure to put new chapter stuff under spoilers

|| on either side

[heady wigeon]

Didn’t Winston create Athena…or they’ve just been good friends? Either way it’s just weird to see him being the only one that’s emotional.

Although he’s always been a more emotional character.

[shrewd pivot]

Athena was created by Mina Liao

Winston does have a connection to Athena tho ofc

[heady wigeon]

Gotcha. Maybe we gotta wait until the next chapter to really see how the news hits everyone. I just…

It just bothers me that:
A) this happened over a comic.
B) it’s not given much weight because they could reverse it later.
C) This wasn’t an LTM or something everyone could view or play through. To me—that’s like saying Winston dying would just be a “oh dang it happened” and not a spectacle. We don’t need flashy effects—that’s not what I’m saying—we just need weight behind the sacrifice.

But, I do like how bold they are being. One of the worst problems to have in a story is not having the guts to go far with the stakes. Show how distressing they can be.

Overwatch did that right…

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah. Plus the context of Sojourn's attitude towards others recently being behind a pay walled comic is certainly a choice

Atleast we are actually getting lore tho lol

But I agree if they just skim over this event like no big deal that's very ooc imo

Will have to wait for the next chapter

[fallow mantle]

I know it's due to a partnership and all but I am rather disgruntled it's not in game.

like, only the first comic is on the overwatch website

I get it'll probably change when the whole thing's finished but that's not for a long while yet

also the goddamn overwatch youtube channel making posts about the UPCOMING comic episodes as if they're like, the current one out, lol -_-

[spare fox]

They become free eventually at least

They need to pay the artists and writers of the comic somehow. This is more than just "promo" level stories. It comes out on regular schedule for most of a year, not just when they have something to promote in-game

[edgy meadow]

to be honest considering he was by far the most involved member with athena's development i can kind of understand why winston would have a more emotional reaction

it might even have some emotional attachment as one of the last reminders to him to the Good Old Days™

[odd slate]

definitely weird this isn't being freaked out more over in-universe, if im reading everything right. im not paying for the comics so i have second hand information

im sure they can bring a backup of her back online. ofc winston is gonna be upset, athena's like his best friend, but im sure others like efi had a plan in case this happened. probably the shock of it happening at all is what made him react like that.

could also see an era where overwatch and talon have athena, but i feel that would be explored in the game as a major lore point. would be cool, but not isolated to a comic, ykwim

if they did straight up delete her then uh....well

[sullen girder]

I just realized, specifically about someone in mirrorwatch… would Mei technically be dead? Cause remember she was the soul survivor

[broken eagle]

Its a very Big strech but Mei colud die and be revived as an Experiment made by Vengeance Mercy

[fallow mantle]

you'd think he'd have precautions after the hacking incident back in Recall

[swift trout]

It may not be possible to have precautions. Athena is a highly complex AI, and more to the point, the woman that designed her is dead.

[willow canopy]

Can we talk about how they dont expand the main lore and rather wanna expand on this dumb bounty hunter lore

[shrewd pivot]

Winston is the only one having a reaction though, ||everyone else at the end of the chapter treats it as kind of a "oh, that happened" and not a serious loss to infrastructure at minimum. ||

Ty to a friend for the link, here is Sierra concept art https://x.com/playoverwatch/status/2050253684974514573?s=46&t=Yih3kGo92m1F2RIijJKAuw

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch)

From her vibrant hair to her military-inspired outfit, Sierra’s Hero design never ceases to amaze 🔥

See what inspired the team when creating Hero 51 before trying her out today in S2 🎨

X · May 1, 2026, 4:39 PM

Not sure what this is supposed to mean tho. Celebrating.... Dorothy? Dorothy the drone robot? What's there to celebrate?

[odd slate]

mightve been the wrong word to use

maybe they meant something more like "honored" or "highlighted"

[spare fox]

Yeah I think the context here for "celebrated" is "highlighted"

[potent briar]

Do you guys think (spoilers for webcomic if you haven't already seen it) ||Athena will come back or will Winston resort to creating a new AI to use in the lore?||

[south torrent]

Sombra’s va got Mauga

This gonna be good

[latent lark]

||I think Talon will recreate her||

evil Athena when

do these maps look familiar? I cant figure out where they'd be, there was a fourth one which was New York

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/409785741644660736/1500032787997134868/image.png?ex=69f6f5e5&is=69f5a465&hm=4c84e572f76babfc5309da887da44a9e7e4262ad8d78218d61fb11e3e66972a7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/409785741644660736/1500032788340932608/image.png?ex=69f6f5e6&is=69f5a466&hm=bfa441b2152bc2621a63b00cae55734e1d0a1d0c5112b330978e38b9502c51a5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/409785741644660736/1500032788664029204/image.png?ex=69f6f5e6&is=69f5a466&hm=427d4c10df99ffc802f6a99600120f790724d86e6e8cef396293b52a5db8f6d2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[keen summit]

guys

reaper had his son AFTER his super soldier stuff

this means his son SHOULD also be super soldier esque

[swift trout]

Rio

[latent lark]

which of the three

[swift trout]

All of them

[latent lark]

I dont think they're all of Rio

[swift trout]

The third one is pretty clearly the first point

[latent lark]

theres a fourth one that is in New York

ok yeah that one makes sense to be Rio

oh wait

[swift trout]

The first is the main street you escort the payload up

[latent lark]

maybe youre right

[swift trout]

The second I’m not sure about but it could be one of the buildings along the main street

[latent lark]

I was skeptical because theres just a random one of new york
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/409785741644660736/1500032551761350666/image.png?ex=69f6f5ad&is=69f5a42d&hm=21a5dcb795fecac3e618f47e87f68e20565b7a00736152a80eca04fd3ce707b4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

although I speculate thats because New York was either the 5th or 6th mission (which I have proof of)

[swift trout]

If they only have three shots of Rio and four displays to fill it makes sense to use one of another map

[odd slate]

this is so cute omg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1mnreyy/cool_detail_about_wuyang_and_his_sister_anrans/

[south torrent]

I noticed that too it’s so cute 😭

[kind drum]

whats wuyangs lore

[ruby ridge]

he was a filler character for anran his lore is that he’s the underdog of his family and made them proud

He might be getting more lore regarding a relationship with junk but that’s just speculation

Juno

Not junk

[ruby ridge]

What??

[wooden drift]

Ngl, freja and emre's lore for now is the only interesting thing going on for now. Hating on it is kinda lame

[peak escarp]

they've been expanding the main story lore all year

[keen summit]

Has anyone here heard bout ojuiceee cuz theyre misrepresenting alot so f loore and im curious how others feel on him

[odd slate]

having some side stories too keeps it fresh :)

very curious to see how freja/emre end up and if he gets free of chernabog

[keen summit]

We could get a series and people would go they dont move the story

The story is finally moving yet it still isnt enough

[odd slate]

also more details on chernabog haha

[keen summit]

Expanding the story wasnt ever the issue

Theyve been doing that nonstop

Moving it forward was

[wooden drift]

Meh, Sierra's inclusion doesn't really do anything to progress the main story. The same thing with Cassidy's comic. It's good. But cutting it down wouldn't change a thing

[peak escarp]

the Cassidy comic shows half of the Grand Mesa heist, which is main story action

Sierra's introduction shows the other half

[swift trout]

I do feel like Sierra’s story will tie back to ongoing events down the road.

[wooden drift]

Dunno how they'll connect it to Vendetta though

I just think they added the whole subplot too early

[swift trout]

Talon may try to track her down for their supersoldier project.

[wooden drift]

When there are unfinished subplots already

[swift trout]

The unfortunate consequences of a live service game plot.

[wooden drift]

Don't think so, they just want formula

[peak escarp]

Vendetta hired the Deadlock Gang to raid Watchpoint Grand Mesa as a distraction while Emre and Freja grab the supersoldier serum... Sierra is the Helix captain in charge of Watchpoint Grand Mesa

she's already connected

[wooden drift]

That's such an insignificant role though

Anyone could've been the captain

[peak escarp]

it's still a connection

she's more connected to the main plot than Soldier and Illari

[wooden drift]

They just gave her this backstory to make her a bit more important

[wooden drift]

Wouldn't denie it

They have their own thing going on

[peak escarp]

yes, and? new characters usually get backstory that ties them into the plot

[wooden drift]

Oh wait, nuh

[wooden drift]

How kiriko would've been connected to null sector plot before it was scrapped...?

[peak escarp]

I did say usually

there are a few heroes with no direct connection to the main plot, although Kiriko will be relevant in the Hashimoto plot next season

[swift trout]

The Junker heroes

[peak escarp]

the Junkers, Illari, Venture...

[swift trout]

Though actually given…whatever it was that Mauga actually did they may become more relevant

[peak escarp]

Hazard has a loose connection through Moira

[swift trout]

Illari has a similar connection via the Inti data she and Soldier destroyed

Venture is tied in via whatever the hell Sombra is doing (as is Illari too now that I remember that)

It’s possible she may drag them into a plan to rescue Sigma

[wooden drift]

What a team...

[swift trout]

Trauma Dad
Trauma Child
R o c k

[wooden drift]

Soldier would groan everytime venture opens their mouth..

[peak escarp]

...I kinda want to see it

[swift trout]

Solider would walk out of that with two children

[wooden drift]

Venture is an adult person tho

[swift trout]

And?

[wooden drift]

Grownass

[swift trout]

They will be adopted

[wooden drift]

They as in two people or they as in venture?

[swift trout]

Venture

Illari was already adopted

[past copper]

Interesting new survey skins looking dope

My favorite so far is the one with Junkrat, Anran, Widowmaker, n Hazard

Vendetta, Mizuki, n Venture are close contenders

[peak escarp]

they got Reaper's skintone wrong on those summer skins

[civic lynx]

Everyone on Twitter is talkin about that

Rare occasion the fanbase can actually all agree on something

[keen summit]

Obviously why else would it be such a big deal rn

[keen summit]

Noticed ut too

[past copper]

I mean. It's survey skins

Nothing is finalized on these

[odd slate]

PLEASEEE MIZU GET THIS SKIN
also that JPC could totally be a mythic. would be so cute!

man these skins all look so cool...the skull ones, the shark ones

ughhh

[odd slate]

hey, quick check: anyone know how long the mephisto bundle will be around for? my PS is throwing a fit and the store wont connect

[late wigeon]

Until May 18th I think

[odd slate]

much appreciated! 💖

[ruby ridge]

God forbid reaper enjoys his vacations off from talon

[past copper]

That Vendetta one gotta be a mythic

Otherwise, that chainsaw sword is just for show

[shrewd pivot]

People can tan ofc but that beach Reaper skin is very random imo bc of the skin tone + hairstyle where it looks like he has different textured hair? Not to mention the skinline feels very ooc fashion wise, save for Mei's ig bc that one seems more silly bc if the leg/shoe design. None of the skins in that beach line really showcase archetype or personality.

Something funky going on with Illari's legs to face skin tone too in one skin.

Also like... I wish concept artists would use the 3d models as a base so ppl could see what the skins would actually look like on the ingame models-- especially for like, Vendetta for example. Simple proportions can change the appeal of a skin, like the retro space Symmetra skin is fun ig but I doubt her hair in 3d will look as good as it does in 2d concept.

The hazard one looks really cool

Not sure why Vendetta is getting another big cat skin with then... Wuyang being a crop top wolf??

[potent briar]

Why did they give reaper that hair texture 😭?

[vast garnet]

Anran is best girl!

[glad zenith]

What about shark mauga

[hushed jetty]

i knew reaper was an afro latino king ☝️ /hj

anyway this validates my personal headcanon but if he is not intended to be of that ethnicity then Why Does he Look like that

[spare fox]

Yeah honestly, I'd believe it if the concept artist really didn't know what he looked like under the hot topic clearance rack and just kind of made it up

That or they used really dark lighting on the s24 reference

Meh it's just concept art, not like it's going to be final, or even made to begin with

[odd slate]

until or unless they actually put the skins in game, i dont think it's quite fair to judge them completely. yes, thinks can be off, but that doesn't mean they'll stay that way or even exist.

reaper does look goofy, but honestly he's too much an edgelord to have that sort of skin. the only "non edgy" skins he has are the heartbreaker one and the recolor, which still are very much in the emo scene. i doubt they'd keep the beach theme; if anything, they'd go for something else with a skull.

wolf wuyang is really funny, thought. what is that idea, haha

[chilly knoll]

emre needs more.

[spare fox]

What do you all think about the Conspiracy/Chernabog and the Inti Warriors like... emre's ult is basically Illari's right?

Think the wiping out of the Inti was on purpose as part of the plan or that it messed something up?

[swift trout]

I remain of the opinion that what happened was simply a tragic accident, no conspiracy behind it

That said, though, the Conspiracy having its claws on the Inti data would not surprise me

Hell maybe that could even be a driving force behind Illari joining the fight against it; either taking back the data or destroying it so they can't use it again

[keen summit]

there ARE some ways it might be possible that they wanted em gone tbf, the whole security aspect of their special weapons n all. but i do prefer the idea that it was all legit just an accident

[swift trout]

It makes Illari's story a lot more compelling imo if it's an accident.

Not every tragedy has a secret villain behind the scenes. Sometimes things really do just go wrong. How Illari chooses to live with that is much more interesting to me than a cliché quest for revenge.

[wooden drift]

Well, unfortunately for you it was somewhat confirmed that someone meddled with that whole thing.

[swift trout]

A shame.

[wooden drift]

Bro wants Illari to suffer...

[swift trout]

All will be put into the blender. It's character development!

[wooden drift]

She still gets character development. Sometimes when writers are reminded about her existence and soldier's

[copper coral]

plus shes still working with sombra and 76 to find out why her upgrade went wrong

[gusty falcon]

..

[past copper]

Ya know. Some of those skins remind me of that Galatic Empire event

Illari, Cassidy, Domina, and Brig

Probably not related, but ya never know

Not the first time events returned

[ancient moon]

Does anyone think that doom fist is still alive??

[swift trout]

Yes.

[civic lynx]

It seems quite likely imo

They’ve never officially said he’s dead other than the webtoon where the characters assume he’s dead due to there being no evidence in universe he survived vendetta’s attack

[meager geyser]

Remember when events used to have lore?

Those were the times...

[shrewd pivot]

I swear there was something about Naughton being in marine biology before the super soldier program.

Not that Sierra's fav animal being a pupfish means anything deeper, but it would be funny if that was some kind of wink wink hint at Naughton lore from the writers. Pupfish are notable because they live in extreme conditions and evolve very fast compared to other species of fish.

[shrewd pivot]

Also im a doofus, Sierra has a scarlet beret not a maroon beret. Atleast for USA (Sierra was shown with scarlet beret in USA military first), Maroon beret is parachute training, scarlet beret is all terrain vehicle training + skydiving and parachute training + extreme conditions survival + scuba certification + air traffic controller certification.

That makes much more sense for Sierra to have a scarlet beret

Oh. I just looked up the standards for beret wear in usa military, and Sierra's beret isn't low enough on her face, it should cover her hairline (brim is 1 inch from eyebrow) and the clip should be more forward above the left eye, and the loose fabric should reach her ear. Now im curious why they kept the scarlet beret color in different skins despite not having the beret worn to standard...?

Example

[peak escarp]

so you're the beret police now?

pretty sure other parts of her outfit are nonstandard too

[shrewd pivot]

I mean other military berets have been more standard, Lúcio is wearing the beret at the standard one inch above brow (that's a more universal standard for military beret, the loose fabric is placed differently depending on country) so idk

[pastel stirrup]

the beret police😭

[shrewd pivot]

No idea why you need to reply so negatively, i was just reading about military uniform standards and I noticed the difference. This would be good information to know when drawing fanart of Sierra, especially if it's in her younger years in USA military.

[peak escarp]

your constant microanalyzing of details is exhausting

[shrewd pivot]

One big thing many were asking was why Sierra's beret color didn't change, and that's bc the beret color signifies her specialization. But if it's not worn to standard, why not change the color?

That's all I was noticing

[shrewd pivot]

This is the lore channel, and details of character design are indeed lore. Idk what to tell you.

[peak escarp]

maybe they picked red because it looked good with her colour scheme and didn't look into what the colours mean

[shrewd pivot]

Then they picked lucky, both maroon and scarlet berets relate to her airborne kit with her drone (how to break falls etc). But I think they probably intentionally chose a beret color that signified airborne forces

Overwatch did take it's time to portray Soldier76's military skin accurately iirc, so I am just applying that to other characters where military is an important part of the design/lore.

[wise grotto]

Soldiers old military skin is also like the literal only military skin that's simultaneously lore focused and actually accurate to military dressings

[shrewd pivot]

I mean, we don't have any other character on the roster wearing military uniform parts in base hero design except for Sierra iirc.

that's why I was using Soldier76's USA military skin as a base for the level of detail for a USA military character like Sierra. She doesn't have to wear the beret standard now ofc, but I would presume that not wearing it standard is for characterization bc the beret is a notable part of her design.

I think it's good info to note if you wanted to draw fanart of Sierra in her younger military years so I thought to share.

[bleak skiff]

I'm a bit confused, was Pharah born in Canada or Egypt

[peak escarp]

she was born in Egypt

her father was a Canadian diplomat working in Egypt

[odd slate]

how is it any different from other people correcting every small thing about the lore lol
it's not hurting anyone, don't interact if you don't want to

sometimes small details like this, even if unintended, can be pretty neat to learn about, and provide happy coincidences

it's fun speculation

some people like to microanalyze things bc that's how they interact and show their care for it, by picking things apart and giving critical detail and thought to the lore instead of glossing over the way many people do

[peak escarp]

okay

[odd slate]

anyway i wonder if they'll keep her beret in further skins or if they'll remove it like what they did for the paint skin (i think)

i imagine remove it as needed since it's not the focal point of her outfit

[nocturne willow]

Late but I think it’s cool that you are trying to pindown how to draw Sierra in proper fashion, fuck that guy saying you were micromanaging details. It’s very interesting to me!

[peak escarp]

okay rude

also, not a guy

not every piece of fanart has to be accurate to every detail - heck not even every official artwork is 100% accurate

I'll agree that it's an interesting detail, but they probably didn't put as much thought into it as Vio thinks

[edgy meadow]

this is probably one of those instances where the fans are putting more thought into the details of things than the devs did

i dont mean this to anyone's offense but the beret on sierra's design feels like one of those last touch flares they add in the refinements

not a significant part of the design

https://tenor.com/view/awebo-grouse-bird-willow-gif-8882359681421696375

its probably there to help highlight the color around her head in contrast to her long ass braids

[shrewd pivot]

No need to curse off someone melody, but I am happy atleast someone else thought it was useful info.

Also ...Sierra has military as a core part of her lore. the beret isn't random.

To say that the beret was just a random detail thrown in doesn't make sense imo, the design is not as haphazard as say, Cammy's beret is. Like. For Sierra they got the general shape right, horizontal fit right, a color that makes sense for her activities, and even have the triangle as an insignia like military berets have.

Imo Sierra's base design colors clash and are not well balanced, if anything she needed one less color in her design palette, removing the red would have been easy to do but they kept it.

[shrewd pivot]

Pardon, but I am not following. I never implied every piece of fanart has to be accurate to every detail, and I am fully aware official artwork is not always 100% accurate.

Idk why you are being so highly dismissive of an observation? It's not an opinion or anything, I was noticing something about a design, mentioning "huh! I just learned it's not military standard, so I wonder why does the beret stay red in recolors if not for military standard" and mentioning it's a good detail to note if a person wants to draw fanart of younger Sierra in military standard.

Obviously fanart can be anything Doctor. Many artists like to portray symbolic clothing within standard (military standards, cultural ruleset standards, etc), so I thought it was a cool fun fact to share.

I don't understand why you are being so contrarian. And I don't understand why this escalated to this point.

[keen summit]

Well to play devils advocate, helix isn't military so it might count as stolen valor if theyd do the same standard

Helix is military esque but isnt actually the military, and as they also allowed bright blue suits for pharah and bright pink, ultra long hair that goes to sierras feet i doubt theyd care about military standards

(sierras hair is a pet peeve of mine cuz she uses 2 things, her weapon and drone, woth spinning parts yet she has hair that would be dangerous to have for that)

[shrewd pivot]

Sierra's hair isn't logical to her lore, I place it in the same non-logic rule of cool as Juno's glowing hair lol

Regardless, Sierra served in USA military, so the beret would be worn to that standard even outside serving.

If it was a storytelling detail, not wearing a uniform standard would imply something about the character. Like maybe the character feels a certain way about the military and is wearing it out of standard to make a statement.

If the beret is just a slapped on detail, then it means nothing.

[keen summit]

I do think her thinking differently of the military feels kinda likely cuz of the whole soldier program aswell

Or just that sierra hates standards

Which feels in character

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah, if its a storytelling detail, it's either wearing her accomplishment in her own way, or intentionally dismissing the military standard bc she feels a certain way about it.

[keen summit]

I do think its just an oversight but i think you could justify it in story through her not exactly yknow, fitting standards and not trying to

Her hair does just pmo

You have a spinning gun, go in harsh conditions, a drone that you hang and jump from, and you decide to have hair thats almost as long as yourself?

Thats not even being unconventional thats just stupid and dangerous, why does she have that type of hair, so people can grab onto her?

[shrewd pivot]

I wish her hair made sense too.

Like i don't even mind the braid concept (the Helix braid shaoe is a really cool idea!) I just wish it was more grounded to her activities, currently it's a tripping hazard and she is captain and her braid glows in the dark. For whatever reason.

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah that sums it up well.

I feel like her silhouette suggested the haur would actually mean something to her storytelling, but it's a Juno glowing hair situation, rule of cool over any sense of grounded design

[keen summit]

My opinion, keep it pink but shorten it VASTLY, long hair is dangerous with her gear. Her hair glowing n stuff whatever helix isbt exactly good at camo anyways, but it being so long is a hazard to herself

[keen summit]

It doesn't even feel cool to me

The glow idm

Its just i know drones and weapons

[shrewd pivot]

Ah by rule of cool I mean that it's a "does this sound cool or fun? Go for it!" kinda thing, her braids are a distinct part of her silhouette

Yeah like ik her arm and drone glow but the hair glow feels a bit random? The neon pink was distinct enough. Like, imagine if Zarya's hair glowed in the dark lol

For Sierra her braids could be in a bun or in a ponytail with the beret if we go by military standards. I think a braid ponytail would look nice, include criss cross for a Helix shape on the scalp, maybe add in some unique shapes like a butterfly motif to make it distinctive in her silhouette despite being shorter

Regardless I reallllly hope Sierra gets skins with fun styles bc her character is a perfect muse for that. Looking forward to Sierra skins to see what kind of designs they create

[keen summit]

Mizuki also doesn't use the chains in his arm cuz he only does the technology chain

[shrewd pivot]

Oh is that so? Huh interesting.

Maybe they didn't get to combine those aspects due to an animation change during development. They usually have block outs of characters for ability dev, then animate later. Domina's snap was actually happenstance bc a person used a snap sound as a placeholder for the initiation, and they liked it so much they included it as a snap animation in the final. I was suprised to learn that because the snap was probably by fav part of her animations, it had good storytelling aspects to it.

I do hope as the new team eases into overwatch style we get more integrated designs. Making the characters feel like thier design details are for storytelling (like, the detail isn't just there to look cool, it actually has context or is actually used) and fit the worldbuilding makes it much more engaging as a viewer to watch imo

[keen summit]

Might be misremembering

It could be that im wrong

But iirc its green

So maybe its empowering it

[keen summit]

I just find that its that sierras design unlike most gets worse when you learn more about her

Certain ones dont get enhanced like bap or ashe imo but very few get worse

Reins ow2 design like sierra feels worse when you learn more

[keen summit]

Reins whole arc was being less reckless so he decided in ow2 to not put on a helmet

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I think Reinhardt losing his helmet (not sure why that had to change) would have made more sense is Brigitte kept her crown (it was removed for whatever reason in her overwatch 2 design).

I think Sierra's general ideas are fun, but yeah her design does not feel grounded for what her character's activities are. I would argue Vendetta feels similarly not really grounded.

But I think Domina is probably more on the right track for a design that feels grounded in worldbuilding. Seems believable within what her character is about

[keen summit]

the others all feel cohesive and fitting but only rein and sierra feel counter to the character

also as i said few of the heroes also have that i think the design doesnt ADD much

[shrewd pivot]

I would argue there's more than two new designs that feel counter to the character, but I get what you mean.

I do think the silhouettes for the other unreleased heroes do look interesting though

[main dagger]

like Omnic Detective

[shrewd pivot]

Trench coat omnic will probably be grounded in worldbuilding-- yeah exactly haha

[main dagger]

Omnic Detective is Maximilien's secret twin brother guys trust me

[keen summit]

like?

[shrewd pivot]

Trenchocoat omnic looks to be faurly grounded in worldbuilding, D.MON is a different take on MEKA so I imagine that's pretty grounded in worldbuilding, Hashimoto hero could be anything, and hivemind looks interesting imo (hexagons on arm character)

[shrewd pivot]

Anran, she should not have bare legs, I also think they didn't quite capture her vibes from the cinematic.

Vendetta, needs atleast some spinal armor and her sword is somehow light and heavy in her animations

Hazard, he looks too conventional for a cyberpunk body modder, JunkerQueen looks more punk than Hazard

[keen summit]

I agree with these except a few things
Tho i think an helmet with vend wouldve been better abd fit history more, her not being armored, fits her really well
Anran complete agree i think her design doesnt at all fit her and is instead just "look in chinese"

[shrewd pivot]

Venture's jacket design also does not make sense imo

[keen summit]

Venture having sum dangerous on their jacket fits them tbf

[shrewd pivot]

Just some spinal armor to explain her tanking robot arm hits, she can still show skin, I think a helmet would have been cool too, like the ones from her teasers

[keen summit]

That hit was bs in general just shouldnt have been in there

[shrewd pivot]

Oh i meant the way the back flaps lay on the jacket, it seems kind of nonsensical

[keen summit]

Ohhh

[keen summit]

Its the one thing i find very bs from vendetta, that shes so tough for no reason

[shrewd pivot]

Atleast JunkerQueen has the excuse of radition! :p

But yeah

[keen summit]

We also dont ever see jq take that type of hit and fall 10+ meters

[shrewd pivot]

I don't mind Vendetta doing badass things ofc, just wish her design made more sense for the feats she does

[keen summit]

To me if in her trailer she just blocked it partially and then fell it couldve been believable

[shrewd pivot]

JQ takes hits in her cinematic, hits from mech and a scrap metal straight to her skull

[keen summit]

And her barely wearing armor fits her whole ego pride thing

[keen summit]

I know, why do you think shes so much dumber now

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I think that's a fair compromise.

Still, not even Zarya could tank the hits Vendetta somehow survived

[keen summit]

Vendettas toughness is ghe thing i critisise

[shrewd pivot]

Noooo 😭 it's the radiation poisoning,,, trust 🙏

[keen summit]

I do think helmet wouldbe been cooler cuz of the symbol a helmet had in gladiator fights

[shrewd pivot]

I am happy we do have lore moving tho so ill just hope it's growing pains of a new team.

I am interested in Sierra's plotline and Mizuki's plotline, so that will be interesting to follow

[keen summit]

If you had a helmet you were succesfull

[shrewd pivot]

I am a bit hazy on my gladiator history but helmets also signified what type of fighter the gladiator was too.

[sage compass]

We need more Sombra lore drops please

[keen summit]

its a bit of both, but the fact you OWNED a helmet meant success

because otherwise you werent alive long enough to even earn one or be recognized as a type of fighter

[odd slate]

it's secretly a weapon used in last ditch efforts

[feral compass]

But Juno and Wuyang ship is cannon?

[spare fox]

I wouldn't say canon but they seem attracted/at least to like each other based on the comic

[swift trout]

There is an implication of a ship but it could just as easily be nothing

[brittle sky]

I mean professionally trained gladiators rarely died. They were a major investment, and as a manager you're actively screwing over your colleagues if you let your investments kill their investments like that. Prisoners of war and the like are there to die so they get the fatal verdict, but a pro getting sentenced to die was relatively rare, and gladiators were trained generally not to go for fatal wounds on each other.

[keen summit]

hence why getting a helmet meant that you often were respected

[brittle sky]

Sure, but it wasn't like a harrowing crucible to survive your first match if you were a trained gladiator with some low survival rate.

It was still a combat sport in the truest sense, kills and maiming happened, but not at huge rates (again, applied to the pros, prisoners there to just be executed in entertaining fashions are a different metric)

[edgy meadow]

i didnt say its random, i just dont think it was a significant and core piece of the design

[finite escarp]

https://medal.tv/games/overwatch/clips/mE35gk3rBoPnu45bO?invite=cr-MSx4d3IsMTQxNjQ4Mzgw can anyone tell me where you actually unlock this spray ive never seen it or recall getting it and cant get anything from a reverse image search

[shrewd pivot]

I would disagree, Imo the beret is pop out bc its a red beret again the greens and pinks. The viewer notices her pink arm drone and braids shape and beret and green crop top jacket thingy in her design at a distance. Her silhouette has the hat included as a unique shape that reads like military. And she IS military so the military beret signifies that visually.
The beret is not like... say Freja's necklace.

[shrewd pivot]

I presume this was in relation to 2022 esports, probably a event drop or twitch drop?

[sharp finch]

Check dm @elder forum

[thorn moss]

Zarya kit change idea:
particle cannon: send a steady stream of particles from the cannon dealing damage to enemies you hit

Ult fire: overload particle cannon sending ranged projectiles that do splash damage upon impact

Barrier: Zarya can target herself or her teammates giving them a temporary shield against incoming damage with damage charging the power of her particle cannon

Gravitational quake: send a shockwave down knocking back enemies and dealing damage

Gravitational surge (ult): send a miniature black hole out dragging in enemies within its range while also dealing damage the longer enemies are trapped within

[spare fox]

wrong channel I'm afraid

[thorn moss]

Is lore complacent considering her weapon

[grim condor]

Is Ramattra supposed to be a raging hypocrite

Cause I feel like they didnt want to present him as such but he REALLY is

[meager geyser]

I actually think the opposite: His motives are so understandable that blizzard needed to give him the whole "kidnapping omnics against their will" thing to not make people sympathize and root for him LOL

[grim condor]

He wins every argument he has and just never gets "proven wrong" in voicelines and its so irritating

😭

His Hazard interaction is great

And its just like

What is he liberating

[meager geyser]

Yeah, because he's the GOAT. he's always right

[grim condor]

He kills people and hurts omnics

[meager geyser]

Also keep in mind - in game voice lines are not canon

[grim condor]

He has nothing going for him that you could ever look at and just be like

Wow hes so correct and moral

[meager geyser]

Nothing in the game is canon

[grim condor]

Oh

Lmfao

Does this mean

Dva isnt really attracted to BOB?

😭

And I HATE that he is allied with Talon oh my god

[meager geyser]

They haven't met so...

[grim condor]

If he cared about Omnics and liberation and revenge he would never ever ever be allied with the organisation that killed Mondatta, thereby going against everything Ramattra claims to stand for

😭

[grim condor]

Yeah but

💔

Its funny

[meager geyser]

Rammatra doesn't work with or for Talon. They've crossed paths with each other a few times, but Talon and Null Sector aren't allies

[grim condor]

Wait but theres the comic with him and Zenyatta and Zen mentions his allies, no?

And then theres a panel focused on Talon

[meager geyser]

And on that panel Rammatra says that Talon is not his ally

[grim condor]

Oh

LMFAO

Wait no

Im reading it now

He doesn't deny that Talon are his allies

He just starts shit talking them

"Talon has proved... lacking, as an ally."

And then he foreshadows Vendetta, which is the end of the comic

[meager geyser]

But they aren't allies

He tried to work with them, but it didn't work out

And Vendetta is definitly not intrested in working with Null Sector

[grim condor]

I see

[delicate galleon]

I made tracer and her gf in my tomodachi island

She just fell in love

[brittle sky]

One hopes with the gf

[brittle sky]

Ram seems to have accepted mondatta's assassination (there was even credible speculation he had them do it) because he saw mondatta's function as just anesthetizing omnics into complacency without solving the issue of humans oppressing and killing them. The reunion comic seems to nod towards him being less involved there (or he could have just been dodgy) though.

[civic lynx]

https://youtu.be/ozaBSxQUFG0?si=zWml7hyWs4GkrCg7 THEY REMEMBERED LORE

[odd slate]

sojurn casually shitting herself at the implication

i cant recall, does ow know freya/emre work for/are trapped by talon?

[civic lynx]

I don’t think so?

I’m not entirely sure

[odd slate]

bc if they did i think they'd be able to guess immediately "oh they stole this serum so talon can make more soldiers"

[civic lynx]

But judging by soj’s reaction at minimum she was completely in the dark on it

[odd slate]

ok so they know they're with talon based on "who knows what talon plans to do with it"

again....talon and the serum? it's not a crazy stretch to think they want to make more soldiers

so she's officially part of overwatch now

unsurprising

[civic lynx]

I’ve assumed since Sierra’s trailer that’s what they’ll do. Emre/freja got it, turn it into vendetta who gives it to moira and she experiments to try and make it even more powerful (or try and reduce the chances of it killing the subject like it did to the original soldiers) then later this year we see talon grunts actually have the serum injected into them

[odd slate]

oh 100%

[south torrent]

SOJOURN VA

[odd slate]

moira is ptobably gonna maek it a thousand times worse

[south torrent]

MY DAY IS SAVED

[odd slate]

pretend i didnt butcher spelling there

i wonder if moira would have any interest in trying to inject it to her cells to try and stop the rapid decay stuff she has going on, or if she just doesnt care at this time

since her guinea pig is gone i'm not sure who else she'd run tests on

doubt it would be sigma, space grandpa is chilling in solitary while all of this is going on, so probably random people in the back

[civic lynx]

I always assumed vendetta may be willing to let her use a couple of the basic talon soldiers as subjects

[odd slate]

those who keep screwing up missions are first to be tested on

[civic lynx]

Oh for sure

[noble scroll]

[[spoilers cause it was released like 3 minutes ago my time]] with the whole 'rare power story time' between sojourn and sierra, ||sojourn claims that she was aware that when overwatch disbanded, that some people went off to be mercenaries. could that be why in crossroads sojourn wasn't insanely nervous at finding out cassidy wanted to go against deadlock?||

[odd slate]

oh probably

not to mention that was his old gang. there'd probably be old wounds/unfinished business there

[noble scroll]

it seems like sojourn has her own experience with stuff ike that which is what intruiges me the most,, especially cause she seems to know which overwatch heroes wouldn't do things that arent like them

[noble scroll]

she probably believes in some way that cassidy's pretty darn capable to go up against them especially with that flare in how many ppl they're hiring for deadlock/talon etc

[odd slate]

she clocked emre easily

"oh that's not like him. that's weird. don't like that"

[odd slate]

oh yeah. helps cass was part of deadlock at one point and likely knows their tactics/MO

insider information; no one currently on OW better equipped to handle them than him

[noble scroll]

sojourns quickly becoming one of my fav characters in the lore i think, espeically with how she handles interactions with others. she shows her concern but she also just knows how capable they are (with sierra especially)

[odd slate]

she's great

we love sojourn

[brittle sky]

Y'all know the pros version is definitely answering this right?

[odd slate]

pros version?

[noble scroll]

i'm really hoping it'll be a similar case with hanzo and kiriko where it's insider intel that him and kiriko know (maybe something similar to this, considering they've been trying to see if genji can be released to go back to kanezaka, but i highly doubt they'd send genji in alone)

[noble scroll]

im sure it is, i just wanted to talk about it cause the whole webtoon thing which has other current lore is paywalled

[brittle sky]

I'm just saying for questions like what do they know beyond the dialogue, the prose fills the gaps

[noble scroll]

considering hanzo claims he even watched the whole paris attack which isn't superrr related but at least that means that theres obviously ways overwatch could possibly find out about whats going on in kanezaka (similar broadcasts??)

[noble scroll]

mhm!!

[odd slate]

genji would probably go alone if he absolutely had to, since i think he's pained by the fact kanezaka is in such a sorry state and wants to help. the smart decision, though, is to not to that

we'd have to wait until s3 for anything related to japan, though, since that's supposed to be the japan centric season. excited for that...

[noble scroll]

yesss im so excited. i've been a huge fan of how they're doing cinematics lately (though it's genuinely hard to top dragons for me that whole cinematic was gorgeous)

[odd slate]

yeah dragons was goated

[noble scroll]

i dont think hanzo has really told many people about what he saw in the hashimoto hideout from when he was taken there, except for kiriko considering she saved him and toshiro who claimed hanzo's death would've been considered them sparing him (which is so tragic)

whether he told genji or not is a different thing entirely, i don't think they'd have much contact with how much is going on with talon and null sector atm

[odd slate]

do we even know where the new base of operations is

it's very likely rn they're between stable bases so that could definitely play into genji's low contact

"yeah my base got firebombed so i havent been able to chat much"

[novel forge]

do we know what the serum is?

[noble scroll]

i had this similar question too cause i know they evacuated but because of webtoons paywall i havent really been able to catch up

i dont even know the full ||athena thing|| that ppl were discussing

[odd slate]

||apparently she got blown up or sacrificed herself||

im not paying to find out since i have other things i want to spend my money on so it's all word of mouth for me too

very little makes sense LMAO

so we have to wait until it's free in about a month's time, i think

same with ||wuyang and juno or something||

i almost put jinu that wouldve been so much funnier

[noble scroll]

this should be such a major thing?? and it sucks because most people didnt even know because its paywalled

[civic lynx]

If the leak of S3’s hero being ||the leader of the kanezaka branch of the hashimoto || is correct then genji, hanzo, kiri and mizuki would all be centre stage alongside her in lore drops I assume

[odd slate]

it shouldve happened in game honestly

that's a huge thing

[noble scroll]

yeah!! hanzo is also getting a confirmed mythic weapon finally which im so excited for

[odd slate]

what sucks too is ||apparently only winston really cares and everyone else is like 'eh' which is so....weird????||

[odd slate]

YEAH it's gonna be so baller

please please pleaseeeeeee mizuki and kiriko found family arc

[meager geyser]

Moira will be turning people into Abomination now 😭

[civic lynx]

The new Tokyo map would also probably have a few small hints at either S3’s hero background or what she will do next

[odd slate]

that's what she does best

[noble scroll]

i genuinely have a headcanon that cassidy would ||care so much more than he claims he would because hasnt cassidy been there since like. the beginning. or like very close to it all||

[odd slate]

i think???? it's just been a weird, weird reaction from the info i've been getting

||the major CENTER OF OPERATIONS and DATA is gone. the only one who seems to care is winston, which yes that makes sense bc she was his friend and rock for a while, BUT ALL THAT INFO JUST GONE? HUH?||

as i said it should've been in the game. if they just do a copout ||she has a backup and is totally fine, dont worry guys|| then it wont hit as hard and make you wonder what the stakes were at all

[noble scroll]

this would be so cute but im thinking abt hanzo like. i had a realization recently,, if u know that one voiceline with bap and hanzo where ||bap asks if he can have his bow, and hanzo says he'll snap it in his final breath||, i can hardly imagine the pain of what hanzo's been thinking after seeing ||toshiro in the hideout and realizing hes been making weapons||.

|| toshiro isn't even making balanced weapons right now like he made for the clan and yet hanzo STILL managed to use his fathers bow to hurt others unintentionally||. like. thats so devastating.

[odd slate]

ughhh yeah 🥀

compliated old man lore fs

[noble scroll]

yeah this my thing too abt it too. like. ||thats genuinely such a big thing and they didnt even bother to put it in game??||

[odd slate]

||let's paywall something that's a pretty big moment so a good chunk of the player base is unaware of it until months after the relevancy is gone||
???????

dont get me wrong, i understand the paywall and needing to pay artists for their hard work. that's undeniable

but that specific piece of lore....why????

[meager geyser]

Imagine if they replaced Athena as narrator and put someone else. Who could it be?

[noble scroll]

no wonder ||hanzo seems so awkward about mizuki. he got shot, ziptied, almost got publically executed and genji probably knows NONE OF THAT|| oh my godd..

[odd slate]

is the webtoon canon to the game universe? are they two separate but closely linked universes?

[twilit patrol]

It's canon yes

[odd slate]

mizuki staring at this old man freaking out if he knows he's hashimoto, meanwhile old man is reminiscing on all the shit that's happened in his life

[meager geyser]

The whole game universe and canon universe is so weird and confusing man...

[odd slate]

to the game universe, is what i presumue you mean?

[noble scroll]

this makes me think. what if for season 3.. they went back towards dragons territory. and had sojiro as narrator like how it was in the cinematic? because they've discussed that hanzo ||actually tends to 'hallucinate' his father (at least, from what i saw personally when reading where honor lives. he hears his fathers voice and is drawn to where he hears it)||

[odd slate]

bc im still trying to piece this together and figure out stuff

[civic lynx]

Isn’t the game we play non canon 😭

[twilit patrol]

It is canon yes !

[civic lynx]

Other than the PvE stuff

[odd slate]

that's my point!!! there's like...two or three canons, so which storylines line up with the game lore versus outside lore gets confusing

why would such a big event canon to game lore happen in a webtoon as opposed to within the game proper?

[civic lynx]

I always assumed any lore means jack shit for the game itself unless it’s a PvE event

The lore in comics, books, cinematics etc and the game itself exist separate from eachother

[odd slate]

bc the story lore we get is the overarching universe, not the game itself

the game lore is it's little microcosm

and often the distinction between the two is not clear LMAO

[civic lynx]

The game sometimes has maps redesigned to fit current lore happenings

But the game itself is not canon

[noble scroll]

for me i like to view some of the stuff like for example,, junkersteins revenge,, as an alternate universe because at least for junkerstein it views the characters without names (such as archer for hanzo, gunslinger for cassidy and they call eachother by those roles, as if it were their names)

[meager geyser]

Wait until Doomfist comebacks with a rework

[civic lynx]

True

[noble scroll]

also i heard something about like. a romance blooming or something?? did we get any hints whatsoever abt that

[odd slate]

juno x wuyang

apparently

juyang
wuno

[civic lynx]

Yeah junkenstein and mirrorwatch as well as ig star watch, dokiwatch and superultramegawatch are alternate universes imo

[odd slate]

LMAO

[noble scroll]

okay thats what i suspected

[south torrent]

Milkywave

[odd slate]

i love wuyang but idrc abt ships

most of the time im like "aw cute" and move on

[meager geyser]

Junkersteins revenge is a story tolled by Raindhardt

[meager geyser]

FREMRE 🔥 ❤️‍🔥 🔥

[odd slate]

also them

they have chemistry in their lines its crazy

[noble scroll]

mhm! but even then it seems like some of the major points in story happen to certain characters for it (hanzo, referred to as archer, is spoken to by the gunslinger about what home was like for him. "cherry blossom high upon the hill, i miss it dearly")

rlly tragic that even in a fictional story hanzo still doesn't have a good time with his home

[meager geyser]

They're really pushing this ship. All the other ships are just fandom being fandom, but milkywave is pretty much canon atp

[meager geyser]

😭

[odd slate]

hanzo can't be happy ig

[noble scroll]

fremre is kind of on the fence for me cause of the whole age thing (i heard that they were VERY far apart in age, im not for sure on it, i could be wrong)

[odd slate]

like yeah it's cute but again it's something i gloss over

kiriko x illari, illari x wuyang, wuyang x mizuki, mizuki x whoever

[civic lynx]

They’re 10 years apart

[odd slate]

all cute things but i like the lore better

ive always been like that

also yeah the age gap thing

[south torrent]

Orisa day soon

[odd slate]

ive heard arguments abt her being a fresh recruit while he was a full fledged ow officer at that point which is why they dont like it

[noble scroll]

from a writers perspective im looking at it like. juno and wuyang would be cute, sure, but i don't think that they'd genuinely be in a relationship because they havent had lots of interaction with the world around them like others have

[odd slate]

and im like

[noble scroll]

yeah thats what i heard too

[civic lynx]

I mean blizzard used to (and to some extent still do) fw Gency which is technically doctor x patient so…

[odd slate]

i love how i just saw wuyang's birthday was four days ago and went "oh he's 20 now" like he's an actual person and not perpetually 19 until blizzard makes him 20

[noble scroll]

yeah this too

[noble scroll]

STOOP. CAUSE THEY DID THIS WITH HANZO HE IS OLDER THAN 40 NOW.

[odd slate]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[meager geyser]

And it isn't 20 yo x 30 yo, it's 34 x 44. If your that old age doesn't matter anymore

[odd slate]

yeah the gency plushes that just came out are so cute

[civic lynx]

True

[odd slate]

i have no issues with fremre honestly

[noble scroll]

i'm not too crazy abt a bunch of ships when it comes to overwatch

[civic lynx]

I didn’t fw Juno x venture bc (at least to me, I may be too woke) 19 and 26 is too large of an age + maturity gap

[odd slate]

oh im mizu's age

huzzah

[noble scroll]

except yeehan i suppose but that one has been talked about my devs, va's, and interactions for AGES

[odd slate]

juno also has no idea about the majority of earth culture

any ship with juno i treat with skepticism bc people take it too far and heavily utilize the "born yesterday/born sexy" troupe with her and it's very uncomfortable

mixed with the infantalization i've seen of her? yikes

[noble scroll]

oh yeah thats real bad

[civic lynx]

Blizzard lowkey play into the born yesterday idea with how she acts in game imo

She seems a bit confused and overwhelmed in lore which makes sense but in game she comes across as genuinely dense enough to put a fork in a plug socket

[noble scroll]

yeah 😭 i love juno but it can get a bit tiring of them playing the born yesterday card

[odd slate]

yeahhhhhh

[noble scroll]

i'd love to see her become in tune and more confident

[odd slate]

thankfully we have anran for that

in game at least

anran big sister role lets go

[meager geyser]

Tbf, Blizzard designed her in a VERY suggestive way. They even stripped her of the armor she used to have in concept arts ||(it's sad, it was so cool)|| to make her tight clothing more visible

[odd slate]

yeah juno for me is just

her lore is cool

she's sweet

[civic lynx]

I get that’s she’s meant to be a bit of an outsider who struggles to fit in with what to us is normal social dynamics but there’s no reason for her to be just straight up empty headed

[odd slate]

please stop making her so sexualized

[odd slate]

they write her like she's never been around people at all ever when she was raised on a colony with extremely competent scientists

[noble scroll]

i wish there were more interactions between illari and hanzo cause it feels very like. how the fandom would view cassidy as an uncle or d.va or something in really early fandom

[odd slate]

older characters taking younger characters under their wing my BELOVED

i love found family dynamics

one of my fav dynamics in media ever

[meager geyser]

I hate how Juno acts. Like she's an astronaut and a scientist. Stop making her act like a baby and giving her pink coquette skins

[civic lynx]

Exactly

[odd slate]

her webtoon writing is a lot better than her game writing from what ive seen

with how she was able to use scraps she had around her to fix the comms module

that's what i want to see

someone who struggles socially but who is still extremely capable and intelligent

[noble scroll]

hanzo has this with kiriko in a way to me. espeically with that interaction of hanzo and her where he tells kiriko 2 have faith that genji will come to help them. hanzo's been waiting for YEARS and he's still trying his best to juggle it all

[odd slate]

absolutely

"should we not help kiriko?"
"we lost the right to guide her when we left."

like

the shimadas, kiriko, and mizuki have my favorite found family dynamics

the voice lines where the shimadas/kiri play around

"you've gotten better."
"your pocket ninja got you!"

very sweet

[noble scroll]

LITERALLY UUGHH i could ramble on abt them forever. i recently heardi n game this one voiceline that was hanzo and kiriko and it was like. "have you heard from your father?" "no, not since you got kidnapped" "i did not mean to make it more difficult for you. im sorry" hanzooo.

[odd slate]

the idea of 20something shimadas taking care of a ten year old kiriko, playing hide and seek with her and telling her about their anima weaponry

please let them be the big brother/uncle figures in her life

[civic lynx]

I’m very interested to see what blizzard do long term with S3’s hero since mizuki probably won’t be part of the hashimoto for much longer after she’s added

[noble scroll]

i cant wait for more soft hanzo but also. intimidating hanzo is gonna be so sick. theres no way he doesn't lock in

[odd slate]

oh no mizu's ass is getting the fuck outta there

[civic lynx]

If he defects to the yokai (instead of just straight to OW) I’d be interested to see how Kiri acts if S3’s hero ends up findin him there

[noble scroll]

hanzo was even defiant when ||the hashimoto literally tried to execute him. he literally got shot in the shoulder and spit at their face anyway. which i personally think the execution would've been discovered just for the hashimoto to do as an intimidation factor because we've already seen they love to use that.||

would've been really devastating if they did that and had genji eventually find out. the hashimoto and the shimada have feuded for ages ||i wouldn't be surprised at all if the hashimoto revealed hanzo was dead in a grandiose way (all as hypothetical ofc)||

[noble scroll]

i know for sure hanzo doesn't intend to spare any hashimoto, not after what they did to him and his family for ages (hopefully not bringing his hostility onto mizuki)

[odd slate]

mizuki hiding behind kiriko and praying he's spared 😭

oughhh

[noble scroll]

i also miss hanzo and d.va interactions they're such a fun duo

[odd slate]

yeah his gruffness mixed with her wit is fun

[edgy meadow]

yipee new story

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395210505638907906/1487309890635563049/fika_belly.gif

[spare fox]

see, imo they don't infantilize Juno - they def make sure to show she's capable. I think the correct term for what the trope they use is "fish out of water"

[odd slate]

yeah, in the webtoons

in the game she's airheaded

she is very much "born yesterday/born sexy" in the game and a lot of fandom runs with that

they don't give any focus to the fact her family is trapped on mars in the game, instead focusing on how inept she is at socialization

[thorn moss]

Little known fact, Dva and the cat don’t actually sleep when hit by Ana’s dart, instead they wrestle with their controls to gain control over their vehicles

[shrewd pivot]

New lore video! Nice to see some nicely rendered art and two VAs, I am suprised they didn't lean into more details about Sierra's interaction with Talon, or create foreshadowing about Sojourn's situation with overwatch that was revealed in webtoons (ie, a concerned look at the end to suggest something is up, or something)

I wonder if there will be a text version of this video?

[odd slate]

it was a good video

not surprised sierra is part of OW formally now

felt like that was always where she was headed

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah, nice to get confirmation atleast.

I am curious why specifically this scene was chosen for video tho, hopefully there is a text version to give more insight

[odd slate]

probably for the "sierra is part of ow now" bit

soj's reaction at emre and freja doing their thing

[shrewd pivot]

Yeye! I was expecting maybe some further details on Sierra's strategy and whatnot in the fight, the scene felt rather "showing what is already known"? For what the implications are.

Like Sojourn is playing it super cool considering she's probably internally "aha,,, pls don't join overwatch,,, (webtoon spoilers) ||overwatch only has limited time left,,,"||

But still, nice to have two VAs in an animatic :)

Looking forward to the text version of this story if there is one

[unborn aurora]

Can you guys gym me the soldier 76 lore about him being gay? I've played him for like 6 years and don't know too much about his lore

[shrewd pivot]

It's mostly within text, mentioned prior to this story, but this story delves into the relationship Jack had with Vincent.

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-gb/media/short-story/futures-past/

[unborn aurora]

Wait this is so cool I didn't know they mad comic book type of stuff for the characters

That's awesome thanks for the help ultravioart

[swift trout]

I want this to be canon, the idea that the sleep dart can somehow take out the tech and not the people in it is hysterical

[thorn moss]

I tested it in practice range and saw Dva just fight their controls. Doesn’t apply to Hammond though who actually does sleep

Only seems to be Dva and jpc that this applies to

I’d be curious to see if there was any lore behind it

[swift trout]

My guess is it’s just meant as a bit of humour

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah! Overwatch website has a media tab, you can ready many comics and short stories there :)

[shrewd pivot]

Probably not, not all in game animations/abilities are canon. Just some fun humor imo :)

[thorn moss]

Dva’s are canon at least

[shrewd pivot]

I don't think sleep dart canonically hacks mechs haha, but dva would probably do a similar response if her mech failed

[noble scroll]

apparently hanzo’s sonic/scatter arrow is canon which surprised me. yes he makes them as meditation like his normal arrows but with the knowledge of weapons he has, super cool to see him use it for tech

[odd slate]

"i craft my arrows by hand. each one, a meditation."

sigh he stays being peak

[thorn moss]

All of dva’s abilities are canon and demonstrated in her cinematic

[noble scroll]

i love rambling abt hanzo hes such a cool dude

[brittle sky]

It's hinting an evangelion style twist that the mechs are secretly made of meat beneath a thin ceramic shell

[odd slate]

STOP 😭

oughhhh

[thorn moss]

Does that mean Dva is actually a robot underneath a meat shell?

[odd slate]

horrifying

[thorn moss]

Robot pilot with a meat suit and meat mech with a robot suit

[mental island]

doom fist should come back looking like the hulk n solo everyone

[wise grotto]

This unironically means dvas max actions per minute is in the millions

So how effective she is with DM Is PROBABLY over exaggerated

[thorn moss]

She used it to destroy Gwishin missiles in the cinematic but probably doesn’t use it as often in canon

[wise grotto]

True but like
Someone did the calc and she can do at least over 15k per second so
She's good but she's not gameplay mechanic good

[thorn moss]

Her ult is canon but that’s most definitely a last resort option considering it almost killed her in canon and replacing that mech isn’t quick

[thorn moss]

She’s definitely no blowing her mech up every other fight that’s for sure

It would be incredibly reckless and dangerous

[wise grotto]

Oh yea definitely
I just think it's funny that if her main gameplay was cannon her reaction time is like such a tiny margin to such extreme accuracy she'd rival fuckin speedsters in comics

[thorn moss]

Maybe the robot in human skin thing from earlier really does apply 😭

[wise grotto]

I still really don't think that theory works
It is still funny AF that dva can eat like 11 roadhog ults simultaneously And she's supposed to be clicking each individual projectile

[thorn moss]

She’s definitely not doing that in canon unfortunately

[hexed thorn]

https://giphy.com/gifs/overwatch-winston-need-healing-hLtZPXr2FOuoijaSO3

[latent lark]

something I adore is that they made sure to attach a major lore moment to the pride story, dont wanna read it because of lgtq themes? fine you're missing out on some major character growth for soldier and illari (the one hero who had the least amount of screen time compared to any hero at the time) it'd be funny if the next pride story has like Ramattra in it or something lol

I love the pride stories they're always so wholesome or emotional in all the right ways

[spare fox]

I wonder if we're going to get a big pride-related story this year

they seem to be doing it every other year

[potent briar]

Here's hoping

[ivory rock]

Dm Me lf You Struggle To Pay Your Bills I Wanna Make You Smile Fr❀☘︎

[odd slate]

perhaps

we shall need to see if they do any pride stories

maybe lifeweaveer and bap haha

[gusty cloak]

sierra's drone in the new story time cinematic has "R.O.T.H" with the "do" and "y" written at the start and end. is ROTH some company in the overwatch lore?

[fathom grove]

Probably the drone model name
"Remote(?)-operated(?)-(???)-(???)"

Oh remote-operated-tether-helix maybe but idk why it would be hrot then

[civic lynx]

Roth is just the name of the drone, the do and y was added by Sierra to give the drone an actual personalised name

[glad quiver]

i find it so interesting that some new heroes get so much love and attention from Blizzard while others get put into the game and forgotten

Not even upset cuz I understand you can't give every new character the same loving treatment but I feel like it's always either extreme glazing or nothing at all

[thorn moss]

Kinda like Zarya

[lyric chasm]

Zarya's an ow1 character so it's a bit different I guess, clearly they want to give everyone attention and lore but it's going to be when they are relevant

[brittle sky]

Zarya is also a Russian soldier defined by a Stalemated ground war prosecuted under at least somewhat false pretenses. They ain't touching that arc anytime soon.

[peak escarp]

at least she's with Overwatch now, so she can get plotlines through them

but she'll still be overshadowed by newer recruits

[true talon]

these still image lore videos are crap

used to be actual good cinematics

[spare fox]

yeah yesterday's short story was... redundant

nothing we didn't already know which ngl feels like a waste

but I am confused as to when the whole Summit story and Undivided fall on the timeline

I'm guessing that Undivided is before Summit

[peak escarp]

yes

[spare fox]

although it is a bit confusing, ngl I kind of like the concurrent timeline thing going on

it makes sense with such a large cast

I wonder if S3 and maybe S4 are going to occur concurrently too?

concurrently timeline-wise obv

[torn dagger]

hi

does anyb know why widow reaper and sombra left talon? why exactly they were dissatisfied with vendetta because like whats the diff between following doom or ven?

i dont quite understand why they left

[rain cobalt]

Reaper left bc he killed Vendettas dad and knows hes on the choping block

[civic lynx]

Based on their website descriptions widow left to escape moira, reaper left bc he didn’t care for vendetta’s goals and feared for his life, Sombra left bc she just didn’t care about vendetta

[odd slate]

LMFAO based sombra

she wants space grandpa safe and thats it

[spare fox]

it's weird that Sombra left like she was fine with Doomfist running talon but Vendetta is the line apparently lol

[odd slate]

"i don't like her style. nothing more to it."

lmfao

[spare fox]

I guess it could be "she won't let me do whatever I want"

but we don't really have confirmation of that

[glad quiver]

honestly the characters i had in mind when writing that were Illari, Venture and Hazard like. disregarding skins and such the most attention they seem to get from Blizzard is new interactions. But now that you've mentioned it yeah Zarya is stuck in negligence hell, probably worse than anyone else

Like I just wanna know what the Phreaks are up to

[thorn moss]

Her kit is probably what limits her. She’s the second least picked tank after ball and it’s likely because people dislike her kit

[glad quiver]

I've seen enough. Rework Sombra again

[thorn moss]

Even though she’s accepted as a Dva counter a good Dva can run circles around her

[civic lynx]

They already are 😭