lore-discussion

[swift trout]

Oh shit yeah, she really is the most well-adjusted of the roster

[thorn moss]

She radiates confidence tbh

[peak escarp]

and Moira's is "I couldn't back up my science so I was disgraced in the scientific community" but she was an awful person to start with

[thorn moss]

Who do you think is the most traumatized character in the roster?

[swift trout]

Sigma, Tracer, Illari

[thorn moss]

I can imagine what illari went through watching your entire village die

[peak escarp]

Illari for sure

[swift trout]

Sigma for obvious reasons, Tracer because having your molecules scattered across time and remaining anchored only by a flimsy flashlight can't be good, and Illari for obvious reasons

[spare fox]

I would say Illari but trauma is something difficult to quantify

[swift trout]

I'll second Spooky on that

[peak escarp]

it's not just that her village died, but that she wiped them out herself

[swift trout]

I don't think anyone is the most traumatised

[wise grotto]

this is more who had the worst thing happen to them\

[thorn moss]

And definitely on how the characters express it

[swift trout]

Still convinced that was an accident

[wise grotto]

which tracer and illari had prolly the scariest and worst things happen to them in particular

[swift trout]

I'd agree with that

[peak escarp]

accident or sabotage, she still blames herself

[wise grotto]

im convinced the conspiracy rigged it to do that

[swift trout]

The plot does seem to be shifting in that direction, yeah

[thorn moss]

Like tracer tries to be helpful and happy while ramattra projects his onto the world

[peak escarp]

how you handle trauma does say a lot about your character

[swift trout]

I'm taking this back because I just remembered the cat exists

[peak escarp]

we don't know Cat's full story

[swift trout]

True

[thorn moss]

Cat was a stray but is also a cat

[peak escarp]

there could be trauma there, before she appeared at Gibraltar

[thorn moss]

I know with Hammond he was not happy at getting left behind on the lunar colony

[swift trout]

We really need more interactions between Winston and Hammond

Give those two a comic or something, air out the moon trauma

[thorn moss]

As far as i know Winston uses an uprising to escape with Hammond attaching an escape pod to it which he converted into his mech

[swift trout]

And apparently the escape rocket he used was Hammond's design

[thorn moss]

Hammond is a genius

[swift trout]

Apparently not enough of a genius to encrypt his blueprints

[thorn moss]

According to his spawnroom interactions they did a bunch of experiments on him but he came to appreciate the pain because it made him a genius

[swift trout]

I don't think he appreciated the pain itself, just the result of it

[thorn moss]

Yes

[peak escarp]

if you haven't yet, read the short story Thoughtless Gods

it's fantastic

[swift trout]

Will do

[peak escarp]

probably the best story from the Heroes Ascendant collection

now that's a short story that should get a Story Time version

and Ball has two VAs

[thorn moss]

So, does it sound far fetched the military kept Dva alive because she’s the face of their propaganda machine?

[peak escarp]

not at all

[wooden drift]

Do they even have any new hammond voice lines or they just reuse whatever they have?

[peak escarp]

they record new ones

why wouldn't they?

[thorn moss]

Totally something they’d do

[wooden drift]

Because it's chirping that they could just reuse..?

[swift trout]

Oh absolutely

[peak escarp]

a human does all the hamster noises

Dee Bradley Baker - he's a prolific monster noise VA

https://youtu.be/NXY6AN_1O_w?si=s3b1OjXunpl7ZlYL

[wooden drift]

That I know, it's just kinda weird I guess

[peak escarp]

Bastion is also voiced by a person (Chris Metzen, who is one of the original creators of Overwatch) which is put through a filter

I don't think Carolina has done a video with him

[vale quartz]

I like ramattra lore

[thorn moss]

I made the dark theory that her body was beyond repair so they had to transfer her mind to something else just to keep the propaganda machine up and running

Instead of letting her join overwatch she’s merely “leased” to them

[patent moth]

i wish she did, bastion doesnt get a lot of attention

[swift trout]

I don't think dark covers it, christ

[broken eagle]

So,Something like robot/android that is looking,acting like Dva? Honestly it colud not be far fetched when u think about it

[thorn moss]

It’s her mind in it she’s just unaware she’s a robot

Could be a bot that possesses her memories and feelings but doesn’t know it’s not the real Hana song

[shrewd pivot]

Hana Song is human in caon, but that idea could make for an interesting au :o

[thorn moss]

AU where the military has omnic copies of each of the meka squad members in case they die or need replacements

And after the event of “shooting star” dva is either seriously injured or killed so they act on that plan to transfer her mind if she’s seriously injured or replace her if dead with her omnic version without telling anyone to keep the propaganda machine up and running

[broken eagle]

That actualy colud be possible considering how much millitary Earns from propaganda about Dvw

[thorn moss]

MEKA is as much of a propaganda machine as it is a military force

They couldn’t afford one of them dying and shattering the “invincible heroes of Korea” image

[broken eagle]

But still they earn big amount of money from that,so them puting mind of one of them into a robot/android that looks like the member, doesnt sound impossible

[thorn moss]

Dva is a propaganda asset as much as she is a pilot

[broken eagle]

True

[thorn moss]

Her popularity keeps people from asking why they need to continue to build their military in the first place

[thorn moss]

And they could absolutely be cruel enough to not inform them of the change and just let them continue living as if they were still human

[broken eagle]

Yeah

[thorn moss]

Dark meka squad AU

[broken eagle]

Imagine their reactions when they found out that they are not real one's

[thorn moss]

The rest are still themselves, it’s just Dva

Yet thy have copies for casino, overlord, king and dmon ready just in case

[broken eagle]

I see,i mean if Dva died after the gwishin fight in "Shooting star" then np wonder they preapared

[full onyx]

Hello

I'm new here

[thorn moss]

Hi

[odd slate]

oh depressing au lore 🥀

[full onyx]

Who you guys main??

Dva

Im guessing you main dva

[thorn moss]

The propaganda machine must never stop

[thorn moss]

Yes

[full onyx]

Okay

I'm main genji and bastion

[thorn moss]

Robot doppelgängers au

Spawned form my curiosity on how Dva walked from falling into the ocean from skyscraper height without being killed or paralyzed for life

[broken eagle]

I main sigma

[thorn moss]

WHAT ARE THOSE!

[full onyx]

Respect

✌️

[thorn moss]

C-can you hear that music?

[subtle bison]

WHAT IS THAT MELODY!?

[thorn moss]

Ah, so like a spherical cow

[subtle bison]

I haven't heard that one.

[thorn moss]

It’s one of his equpable voice lines

[subtle bison]

Oh, I don't use those often

Just heard it

What is it in reference to, ir is it just him saying Spherical Cow?

[thorn moss]

Just that

[meager geyser]

I MAIN RAMMATRA

RAHHH 🗣️ ‼️ 🔥 🦅

[thorn moss]

“You will suffer as I, Ramattra, have suffered. Your torment will outlast the stars. When the universe dwindles to dust, there you will be still suffering as I have, suffered”

[solemn flare]

Doom

[thorn moss]

And Dey say, doomfist is dead

[solemn flare]

I've been playing doom since day 1 he's still viable if you know how to play him I have entire teams counter me regularly I was a diamond 1 player stopped playing a few years now I gotta climb again

Currently in gold

[meager geyser]

I miss DPS Doomfist

[solemn flare]

Me 2

[meager geyser]

There's just something very wrong about his kit as a tank

[peak escarp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow

[meager geyser]

He can't even one shot anymore

[solemn flare]

They need to add uppercut to his perks outside of stadium

[meager geyser]

Not even with a fully charged gauntlet

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[minor sapphire]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[solemn flare]

Ok my bad what's everyone think about the conspiracy controlling emre

And do you think the conspiracy is a god program

[peak escarp]

all signs point to it being Chernobog, the god program in charge of communication

as for what it wants... I have no idea

[solemn flare]

Any chance doom and pals form a new faction

[peak escarp]

possibly

[thorn moss]

Yeah, a good doom can’t be countered

[proud thistle]

Watching a storyline recap
Since when did Illari actually have plot relevance?!

From what I understand, her and Soldier: 76 are currently hunting down god programs or something?

[thorn moss]

When it was possible Emre was responsible for the death of her community

[proud thistle]

So Soldier: 76, Ana, Illari, and now Sombra are working together to try and unravel what’s going on with Emre and the god programs?

[wise grotto]

Or more so the conspiracy that emre is connected to

[wise grotto]

Ana isn't currently helping as far as I know
Venture soldier illari and Sombra are the ones all trying to figure out the conspiracy

[proud thistle]

Ah

[odd slate]

how many god programs are there? has it been specified?

[civic lynx]

I think these are the ones we know of but I’m not 100% sure if they’re the only ones (pretty sure they are tho)

[odd slate]

do we know what macaria and xibalba do?

ah yeah looks like it

poor macaria :(

[civic lynx]

According to ow wiki xibalbá handled energy equity in Mexico and marcaria was communications

[odd slate]

yeah

people actually loved macaria

so im sure her loss was hard

[civic lynx]

Now that chernobog is being brought into lore via Emre/the conspiracy I wouldn’t be surprised if more clarification is given to the others and maybe even Anubis finds a way to escape/make omnics hostile or use another method to cause a war again

[proud thistle]

I wonder if and how Lifeweaver will join the current metaplot

[civic lynx]

Isn’t he trying to expose vishkar with sym currently

[proud thistle]

I think so

From what I understand, they’re busy on their own mission unrelated to the conflict of Overwatch vs Talon

[civic lynx]

Yeah I assume they’ll just remain unrelated

Or only become relevant when it’s time to remove domina from lore

[proud thistle]

But then again, isn’t Vishkar working with Talon

Sanjay Korpal being one of their leaders and such

[civic lynx]

They could end up exposing vishkar’s actions that they’ve been hiding from the public and Domina is the one of the people punished

[civic lynx]

Yeah domina’s with them currently and working on tech (if I remember right hardlight shields that would be impenetrable or at least bulletproof) and in spotlight they say she/vishkar will “help” areas “tragically affected” by talon’s war

[proud thistle]

😬

What’s null sector up to?

[civic lynx]

IIRC just hiding in Antarctica bc ram is waiting for humanity to kill themselves off via warfare

[solemn flare]

Isn't there a god program believed to be in busan ?

[civic lynx]

I don’t think the gwishin is a god program but idk for certain

[solemn flare]

Oo ok I thought they were because of the singular eye on there units

[civic lynx]

I think the eye was just bc of their thinner design in that appearance, the original machine the Gwishin built was this

[solemn flare]

More an omnic trait

[civic lynx]

The gwishin is able to change the size, shape and I’d assume weaponry of the machines it creates from the omnium have based on its previous attempts

[solemn flare]

Wow I've never seen that image

[civic lynx]

It’s also briefly in the ow1 teaser

Idk if it’s canon but it shows more of the scale compared to the mech dva has

[nocturne flint]

whats a godprogram

[solemn flare]

Not the full definition but they are Advanced A.i programs one of them is Anubis and was responsible for the omnic crisis

[thorn moss]

Basically a super AI program that were responsible for the omnic crisis

[nocturne flint]

yeah but why were they created

wasnt chat gpt enough

[thorn moss]

Something about helping humanity

[thorn moss]

Tbh with the rate we’re going we might actually have an irl omnic crisis

[civic lynx]

The god programs were made to help manage society with the increasing population

[thorn moss]

I wonder if ai keeps increasing as it is if a real life omnic crisis could happen

[civic lynx]

I think something similar could happen

[thorn moss]

In that case that makes the omnic crisis about killing people

[civic lynx]

But it would probably be from one central ai rather than how OW had at least 4 different programs that did different things (even if Anubis was the only one to go rogue)

[civic lynx]

I mean kinda

Anubis prior to going rogue was meant to oversee conservation as well as trying to find areas for farming which was difficult due to the extreme climate change in OW’s universe, Anubis ran calculations and came to the conclusion it’s goal could not be achieved without eradicating humanity

[thorn moss]

To manage a population better the most straightforward solution is to decrease it

[civic lynx]

Anubis’ goal was more so just annihilate every human rather than things like the walking dead where they’re trying to do something to just kill off part of the population to lower the global strain on recourses

[nocturne flint]

i have solutions for that

[thorn moss]

That’s the most straightforward path, kill a portion of the population to lessen strain for the rest

[nocturne flint]

Oh so example

the larry ai controls every electronic about farming

[civic lynx]

Anubis was operating on the belief that saving humanity and preserving the natural world could not happen at the same time

Either humanity had to die or nature had to die

[thorn moss]

If I were an ai killing humans would likely also be my solution

[civic lynx]

It wasn’t just about decreasing the population, the goal was humanity’s extinction

[thorn moss]

Not saying it’s right but I totally see what Anubis was going for

[civic lynx]

It was part of his programming to attempt to keep the natural elements of earth stable but his choice to just get rid of humans wasn’t one made by a government or really any human

[nocturne flint]

so ur telling me

[wise grotto]

Chernobog was a security focused ai

[nocturne flint]

this mf wake up
took a look at its surroundings and the internet
and decided humanity had to go

[civic lynx]

Anubis had been operating for many years prior

[nocturne flint]

so it wasnt a glitch or anyting

[civic lynx]

He’d seen how humans made little to no effort to combat the climate catastrophe

[nocturne flint]

or someone hacking him

he just made a choice to eradicate humanity

[civic lynx]

And came to his own conclusion that in order to save nature humanity had to go

[thorn moss]

Reasonable considering everything even today

[civic lynx]

If he tried to keep humanity alive like he was doing prior it would’ve led to nature dying out for good

[nocturne flint]

honestly if i was an ai trying to preserve nature ill be doin the same

[civic lynx]

As we see in present day ow rising sea levels are still a major threat and extreme heat and weather anomalies are probably issues that were occurring both before and after the omnic crisis

[thorn moss]

Same

[nocturne flint]

i guess that what makes anubis god ai so terrifying

he feels so real

[thorn moss]

I’d see that human does literally nothing against climate change and come to the same conclusion

The world of overwatch does feel like a probable future tbh

[civic lynx]

The ow wiki describes a theory shared in their universe for what may have been the final straw and first action he took before the crisis

[nocturne flint]

that means theres a possibility of lifeweaver being real

[thorn moss]

More like the omnic crisis and everything else

[nocturne flint]

yeah that would be bad

[thorn moss]

It’s not a dystopia but it’s not perfect either

[nocturne flint]

omnics wiped out 1 billion humans in 5 years

[civic lynx]

Regardless of if Anubis was the one to shut off the circulation without programmers to keep an eye on him he was able to unleash his plan without anyone to notice the signs

[thorn moss]

We’re already headed there likely

[nocturne flint]

despite its problems i do think technology will bring good to this world

[civic lynx]

If he was ever somehow able to break free from his containment the consequences would probably make the first crisis look like child’s play

[nocturne flint]

anubis ai is still active?

[civic lynx]

Yes it’s just contained in the temple/throne of Anubis maps

[nocturne flint]

the big dog robot is him?

he had a body??

[thorn moss]

That be a good plot line

Either talon or null sector breaking it out

[nocturne flint]

yeah like imagine a character like owlman

they know humans are bad despite being human

[civic lynx]

The ow wiki also says this is Anubis underneath Petra

[nocturne flint]

so they try to break anubis free to wipe out humanity

[thorn moss]

Esti Ja tuhoa

[nocturne flint]

i didnt know he had a body

so does the ai just kept there

[civic lynx]

If he was to be broken out there’s a possibility it’s happening this year

Null sector’s goal is pretty much complete so if this hero is a robot maybe they’re somehow linked to Anubis

[nocturne flint]

isnt that the kashimoto leader

[civic lynx]

The Hashimoto leader is this one

Well not leader but high up member

[nocturne flint]

oh okay

[civic lynx]

If the theory the destruction on the Icelandic prison map coming later this year is from that hero is correct then maybe it was awakened by something and is trying to get to Anubis ?

[nocturne flint]

maybe an omnic who Anubis still has access to

[civic lynx]

Seems like that omnic has had some upgrades based on the thing wrapped around its arm

[nocturne flint]

yeah maybe it modified itself to look different

after the crisis

[wise grotto]

Rammattra hates Anubis and talon wouldn't dare open that can of worms

[spare fox]

Maybe it isn't Talon OR Null Sector after anubis, maybe there's a completely different faction

[thorn moss]

More dark lore possible: the Korean military in ow has a thing called “project starlight” in which they create perfect robotic replicas of their MEKA pilots in case one were to die or become gravely injured. The purpose is to cover up their death and replace them with the replicas with a cover story as to keep creating positive publicity for the military as Korea’s “invincible defenders”

[spare fox]

IDK I don't really see OW getting that dark

and like MEKA is propaganda but not that kind of propaganda, thematically

[thorn moss]

Blizzard version won’t but realistically it could

Frequently collect updated copies of their minds so in case one dies they can cover it up and use the mind copies to replace them

[spare fox]

I guess, I think you're going to want to explore fanfics rather than canon for that

[thorn moss]

The dark part is not that she died but the fact her robot replacement is walking around believing it’s the real Hana song

[thorn moss]

I’m thinking about writing this honestly

[shrewd pivot]

(Not negatively meant here btw!) Rules say no fanfic in this channel, it helps avoid confusion for new ppl learning lore

[thorn moss]

Tbh i do want the lore to explain how she even survived that fall in her lore cinematic

Dva has plot armor

[spare fox]

Yeah you're probably not going to get much more of an explanation than that, I'm afraid

[shrewd pivot]

She did sustain injuries, so it's not complete plot armor imo.

[thorn moss]

That’s more like it

[shrewd pivot]

?

[thorn moss]

More realistic outcome than a couple broken limbs

[spare fox]

Yeah I just don't think there's any indication that it's going to be explored in canon other than "future advanced medicine," like I said you might want to explore fanfic communities and servers

Even if she were "replaced," then why would she have bandages and casts from the fall to begin with?

[shrewd pivot]

Ah, @thorn moss I presume it was some kind of impact that had her hospitalized and then stabilized, i always saw it as overwatch having scifi tech to help heal people for why DVA survived-- the fact despite scifi healing she was left with casts with broken limbs says a lot imo.

[thorn moss]

Cover up

Fake injuries to feel “real”

[thorn moss]

The cover story is most definitely lore accurate though

[shrewd pivot]

Sojourn's novel covered some high falls too, even with prosthesis it hurt Sojourn. Imo considering everything, DVA continuing to work despite her injuries says a lot about her heroic motivations etc

The MEKA squad ofc is portrayed as noninjured to keep up a strong image publicly.

[thorn moss]

Dva is hard working to the point it’s self destructive

[shrewd pivot]

Unfortunately that falls into fanfic territory, we have no indications DVA has prosthesis in her body, she seems to be by all accounts nonaugmented human in canon

[thorn moss]

She does have a lot of interactions with some characters telling her to slow down

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah, and her friend is there to watch her back. DVA's motivation level is heroic, her working to the bone isn't-- but it's logical she isn't relaxing bc she is working to protect innocent civilians from gwishin. It's unknown where her MEKA teammates were but Hana def was the constantly focused hero mode of the bunch

[thorn moss]

She committed to the city’s protection to a fault and I definitely hope we get some more backstory on her

Like her motivations for even taking on the role in the first place

[shrewd pivot]

D.MON will def fill in some blanks imo!

[thorn moss]

If we’re even getting her

[peak escarp]

I think it ties into her competitive nature

in Shooting Star, she feels like she is the only one who can stop the sudden attack, since it's night and her squad mates are all injured

[odd slate]

ough i cant wait for d.mon

she will be fun

[vague scarab]

Yes omg I’m excited for dmon

[thorn moss]

Heroic to the point of being self destructive

[peak escarp]

more like willing to sacrifice herself to protect her city

[thorn moss]

Yes

That’s what she is, heroic and willing to fight to the point of if she dies she dies

[peak escarp]

you make it sound like she fought with the intention of getting herself killed

self sacrificing and self destructive are not the same thing

[languid nacelle]

"sorry dae-hyun"

[odd slate]

peep this potg! lmao

[spare fox]

I like that Dmon isn't Dva's rival

Michael chu iirc described Dmon as the "team mom"

[past copper]

I wonder where these guys were when Talon infiltrated Gran Mesa

[odd slate]

awww

i can see that for dmon

she gives mom vibes

[spare fox]

It depends! If the "tracking Talon" plan was Plan A then they probably did what they had to but stood down. If the tracking wasn't Plan A, then Emre is pretty powerful and the Deadlock distraction was good enough

[past copper]

Tracking is always plan B if fail to stop intruders

[spare fox]

Yeah... unless for some reason Helix had info on the plan... idk it could go either way rn, pending more info

[past copper]

And Emre is using tech nobody has faced before. He's a living weapon and the ones pulling his strings are using him to do something

Something bigger than either Doomfist or Vendetta could have imagined

[spare fox]

Ooof yeah

I wonder if the leaked "Progress" comic will tease more info

A lot of people are theorizing Moira has direct connection with the conspiracy

[past copper]

As far as we know. Doom was seeking to power a weapon to start a full war

Vendetta started a war by showing the world who Talon is

But these ones in the shadows clearly have bigger plans. And they're clearly using Talon to achieve them

I wonder... imagine an army of unstoppable soldiers like Emre. Talon would be invincible

[odd slate]

perhaps

but every suit of armor has its cracks

emre is no different

[past copper]

Sierra and the number of bodies left in Emre's wake would greatly disagree with you

[odd slate]

that's the case now. doesn't mean it'll always be that way

a character that can't ever be defeated and is invulnerable to everything is poorly written

everyone has flaws

emre himself is the flaw - not wanting to do this. that'll be expanded upon later, im sure

[spare fox]

If whatever is going on with Emre (the conspiracy probably) is AI-based, and the whole thing with AI is that it learns and learns even after defeat...

It's learning every time Emre fights it off

[past copper]

Imagine. Other Overwatch agents captured by the Conspiracy and turned into killing machines like Emre

Because a question does arise with this. Why Emre was targeted and turned into what he is now?

And are there others like him operating without anyone realizing?

[spare fox]

Yeahhhhh I wonder if that was the plan with the robo-cassidy etc from the cosmic horror season

I forget off the top of my head which other heroes they had

As robo versions of heroes but yeah, wondering what the initial plans

[past copper]

I think you mean from Invasion with Null Sector

[spare fox]

I'm talking about the cosmic horror season where there was that PvE mode in Antarctica

And at the end of the mode there were special enemies. I remember one was robo Cassidy

Ok looked it up, there was either cultist Zenyatta or C-455 Sharpshooter cassidy)

But yeah, they made that robo-cassidy for a reason bc it doesn't really fit the mode or theme

[wise grotto]

That was the null sector season

Ana Cass sym kiri

The Cass one was just used because it looks kinda cyber culty imo

[grim condor]

What's the deal with Kings Row

Why are we bombing an omnic city

[meager geyser]

Love of the game

Hate on the omnics

[thorn moss]

Because racism

Tbh the hatred we see of omnics is very reminiscent of real life hatred of minority groups

[grim condor]

Speaking of which where did Omnic hate pre-crisis even come from😭

What is their problem

[thorn moss]

Was there gate pre crisis? From what I’m aware humanity hates omnics because they blame them for the crisis even though they didn’t have control of their actions before

[grim condor]

Oh

LMAO

[thorn moss]

Omnic = evil murderer robot to a lot of people

[grim condor]

Unrelated but theres a mural on one map of an omnic wearing a hat and he looks like he could also be wearing a trenchcoat

And I'm wondering if he could be the one from the hero teaser and if we know anything about him

[thorn moss]

A good historical example I can think of is the black civil rights movement in the USA and a modern example of the sentiment is possibly how the world sees trans people

[grim condor]

This guy

[thorn moss]

Not sure tbh

[grim condor]

This looks like its also just a brand logo though

LMAO

Google says its just an in universe distillery

LMFAO

RUN BY MAXIMILIEN

😭

[thorn moss]

Can’t drink alcohol but he makes a fortune off selling it

[civic lynx]

Yeah that’s just a random robot 😭

[thorn moss]

All because of the universal human love of getting altered on substances

[civic lynx]

The hero we’re getting this year seems more like a noir detective

[grim condor]

It can't be a coincidence 💔 💔 💔

[civic lynx]

I fear that mascot has been in the game since 2019 when they added Havana

[grim condor]

Well

Cat was made a while ago too💔

[civic lynx]

Cat is nothing like the original idea tbf

The original version of cat was a lot more…. Unique

[grim condor]

Jesus fuck

😭 😭

[civic lynx]

Also looks nothing like mitzi or fika

[thorn moss]

Our current version is cute at least

[civic lynx]

Other than the right concept being big enough to have its own gravitational pull

[grim condor]

Mitzi mentioned

‼️ ‼️

[thorn moss]

If we can will jpc into existence we can will other animal heroes as well

[civic lynx]

These were the other animals they considered back then

[grim condor]

JETPACK MONKEY

[civic lynx]

They were certainly thinking outside the box

[grim condor]

Wait now I'm upset I want jetpack lizard with fake dragon wings

[civic lynx]

They also mentioned in an interview soon after spotlight an evil orangutang that’s conceptualised as like almost a mirror version of Winston exists but it’s currently just a joke concept

[grim condor]

I'm up for anything that isnt just a regular person with magic

💔

[civic lynx]

If we ever get a hint or mention of another animal escaping horizon or breaking out of a lab on earth we can guess it’s probably to set up this hero

But atm they dont have any plans to add it

[grim condor]

If evil Orangtutan Winton never gets added I will be suing blizzard

[civic lynx]

Would be kinda funny if it’s actually the first hero for 2027

[thorn moss]

I’ve seen a few interesting fan made concepts for a shark hero

[grim condor]

Why can Winston speak english while Hammond can only squeak

And why tf do the Lunar colony scientists name their animals like 80 year old men

[civic lynx]

😭

[thorn moss]

Likely Hammond simply doesn’t have the vocal cords for speech

[grim condor]

Oh

That makes sense

Lame asf tho

[thorn moss]

Winston does while Hammond doesn’t

That’s why he uses his mech to talk for him

[nocturne flint]

is the Mech an ai?

Cuz it refers to him as third person

[thorn moss]

Idk, but it’s capable of translating his squeaks into human speech

[nocturne flint]

Yeah i think he calls some characters slurs

[thorn moss]

Error: profanity filter enabled

[nocturne flint]

Who was he saying it tho

[thorn moss]

It’s one of his voice lines

[nocturne flint]

Yeah i know

But it plays after someone says sum shit to him

[thorn moss]

Nope, just a voice line you can activate from the wheel

[nocturne flint]

Really?

Wow

Hammond is a mencae

Menace

[grim condor]

Plot twist he just really likes referring to himself in the third person

Mad scientist

[nocturne flint]

Lmao

[obsidian grotto]

Guys, serious question
What would Freja have to do, in terms of lore, to stop being everyone's clown?

I mean, all her interactions are with other people making fun of her.

[spare fox]

You misspelled Junkrat

[south torrent]

SIERRA FAVORITE ANIMAL REVEALED

[spare fox]

Pupfish are known for being extremely isolated and thus their behavior and genetics are extremely unique... interesting

[torn pendant]

Is there an up to date lore timeline?

[spare fox]

the best we have is the one in the pin on this channel, but a lot of the most recent stuff hasn't been put on yet because we're getting it so quickly

[torn pendant]

The lore video from 3 years ago? I watched it yesterday

[spare fox]

are you specifically looking for a timeline or a list of the lore media in chronological order?

[torn pendant]

Just to be caught up on what I missed cuz I stopped playing around when Baptise was added and picked it back up after Overwatch dropped the 2

[spare fox]

best bet would be to check out the media tab on the official PlayOverwatch website, then anything you don't find there you'll find on the PlayOverwatch youtube and the Story section on the game (the most recent stuff)

[torn pendant]

Alrighty

[spare fox]

there have been loads of comics and short stories, a handful of cinematics, and lately they've been doing narrated short stories and narrated motion comics

[torn pendant]

Nice nice

I'll give em a look

Ty

[spare fox]

if you get really hungry for more, there have been some book releases - specifically Overwatch Declassified - that are only available from booksellers/library

[torn pendant]

Bet

[brittle sky]

Could be coincidence, and the soldier 24 timeline could just represent her proximity to the naughton vault, but who knows. Maybe helix is either letting Vicky muck around more or she represents what Vicky was quoted as pining after - an hereditary supersoldier. Don't think it's likely, but it would at least make her age make sense beyond marketing reasons.

[spare fox]

sorry, I'm trying to follow. Are you theorizing that Sierra could be the child of a/two super soldier(s) that Dr. Naughton was seeking?

Vicky being Dr. Naughton?

[peak escarp]

we don't know her age yet

[spare fox]

true true, still if they're theorizing, she is likely to be young enough to be the child of a super soldier

idk if I'm subscribing to that theory yet but, we simply don't know enough yet

[brittle sky]

Could be a single parent, not necessarily both.

We don't know her age but she's coded as young (unusually so for her relative importance within grand mesa), and her va is young, which isn't 1:1 but can speak to the vibes they're going for.

[nocturne flint]

Do yall think Overwatch is suitable for analog horror lore wise?

[spare fox]

That's interesting to theorize that she's the child of a super soldier and I like the theory, buuut I'm also thinking if they were going to explore a SS child, she'd have more "strange" abilities

Like inexplicable healing, speed, strength, stuff like that

[odd slate]

"i'm not about to call you reaper" LMAO

so real girl

her being the kid of a super soldier would be cool but i think we'd get more, yeah

definitely enhanced strength and endurance since reyes/morrison have both

the common thread

[spare fox]

They're 1000% going to explore that route in the future tho

[odd slate]

and then her "unique" bit could be...idk, better jumping? something that pairs well with a drone? better eyesight for her gun?

[spare fox]

Maybe we'll get more tidbits in her motion comic or the upcoming Progress story

[odd slate]

perhaps

they come out tomorrow i think

which is exciting

[spare fox]

And another exciting thing coming up real soon- the 10th Anniversary

[odd slate]

oh yeah

wow

[earnest bough]

greetings

[odd slate]

hello

[tawdry shore]

Hello

[lean timber]

I can’t wait to see how fun Sierra’s kit will be for the fan base

[past copper]

Maybe Sierra might get a Helix uniform as a skin

Unlike Mauga since he still doesn't have his Talon heavy assault skin

[solemn maple]

I mean, isn't her base skin already her helix uniform.

[languid nacelle]

yey, today we get motion comic and s2 trailer

[torpid field]

Yes

[odd slate]

stuff is dropping at 9AM PST right?

oh 10AM

got it got it

exciting stuff!!

[odd lintel]

Are frankie and sierra two separate people I don’t know much about lore

[peak escarp]

yes

Frankie is a hacker in the Deadlock Gang
Sierra is a captain of Helix sent to command Watchpoint: Grand Mesa

[odd slate]

launch trailer in 4 minutes....

hm

YOOOO PENINSULA IS BACK

GENJI'S FUCKING BLADE????? DUDE???

[spare fox]

what's the Ramattra thing, a collab teaser?

[odd slate]

holy fuck?????

that skin???

god im so excited now

the mvp stuff we'll have to see how it goes but the antarctic map rework!!!!!

im sure there will be lots of little details changed it in

[south torrent]

Probably

Diablo

[odd slate]

the motion comic, is that out now too?

or is it coming a few hours later?

that's where the really juicy stuff will be

[south torrent]

Should be a few hours

[shrewd pivot]

Lord of Hatred Ramattra for collab yeah

Soldier mythic looks cool :o

[odd slate]

that looks SO good

[shrewd pivot]

I also noticed this for the image, which hair design (the ends of the braid indicate different texture) would be canon?

I want to do some fanart so 🤔

[south torrent]

Ugh she’s perfect

[civic lynx]

Diablo collab

Ram is meant to be mephisto

[south topaz]

if it's a diablo collab then it'll be in Lootboxes at some point right? Contrary to collabs with other IPs

[civic lynx]

Yes

[south topaz]

sick

[civic lynx]

Probably the February 2027 refresh will add them all

[south torrent]

That picture of all 51 heroes in the trailer is so cute

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah! I wonder what they will do for anniversary

[south torrent]

Looks like Wuyang is taking it lol

[shrewd pivot]

Taking what? :o

[civic lynx]

Hopefully lots of lootboxes

[south torrent]

The picture

[shrewd pivot]

Ah! Yeah

I think the junkrat part in that image is fun

[south torrent]

YES

I also like Wu and Anran they’re too cute

[fossil wren]

FINALLY

A SKIN

[south torrent]

Mizu with no mask is fun to see too

[odd slate]

ughhh the siblings

so cute

WAIT MIZU WITH NO MASK

HOLD ON

[lunar vapor]

Is there anyone I can play Minecraft with?

[south torrent]

Wrong server 😭

[odd slate]

ughhh they all look so happy

god bless

[south torrent]

It’s so cute

[odd slate]

i would honestly make that my phone wallpaper

[south torrent]

I thought about doing that too 😭

[odd slate]

thing is it's at an angle, and the crop would be weird....

[south torrent]

Yeah exactly

[odd slate]

WUYANG WITH HIS FINGER UP HAHAHAHA

[shrewd pivot]

Ramattra isn't starving for skins per se haha. I like the nemesis look! Imo the omnic form could have been slimmed down a bit more :o I won't post og Diablo ref images here bc of gore design, but the og character Lord of Hatred mephisto is p slender

[south torrent]

Kiri on all fours 😭

[civic lynx]

New meta event

[odd slate]

HELL YEAH

[south torrent]

PERIOD

OMG LE SSERAFIM IS BACK

[civic lynx]

YOU GUYS WERE RIGJT

[south torrent]

NO WAY

MY QUEENS

[civic lynx]

SIERRA IS THE DAUGHTER OF A SUPER SOLDIER

[south torrent]

Oooo

Cool

[odd slate]

NO WAYYYY

@spare fox DUDE

DUUUUUDE

HAHAHAHAHA

[brittle sky]

oh hey, called it

[shrewd pivot]

@brittle sky I think you had this theory? :o

[languid nacelle]

yeah you did

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah!

[odd slate]

but like....who's her mom?????

some random ass woman????

well, first test subject

[fossil wren]

I suppose the skin is also to promote the Mephisto DLC in Diablo

[languid nacelle]

soldier 1

[odd slate]

but like not a hero

we can play

[civic lynx]

The first ever super soldier

[odd slate]

that's still really cool

so she definitely has a legacy

[shrewd pivot]

Not many survived the super soldier program.

[languid nacelle]

true

[shrewd pivot]

Idk how I feel about that. But yeah

[languid nacelle]

arent the only real successes soldier 76 and reaper?

[shrewd pivot]

That we know of, there can be other survivors

[languid nacelle]

yeah ig this true

[shrewd pivot]

We can presume her mom was Soldier 0 or Soldier01 maybe?

[civic lynx]

Potential man had a new image

[languid nacelle]

ooh

shiny

[spare fox]

"she joins Overwatch on one condition: tell her everything they know"
uhh they're not here anymore bro

lol

[odd slate]

well reyes was nevfer gonna tell her anything anyway

[civic lynx]

Maybe sojourn would know something… ig?

[odd slate]

jack is....who knows

[civic lynx]

She was in the original ow

[shrewd pivot]

Mercy might be familiar?

Ana too might

[odd slate]

torb?

idk

i cant recall who was in og ow

[spare fox]

what's going ot happen is that either OW or Talon are going to go find Dr. Naughton - that's what's going to happen

[civic lynx]

She worked alongside Reyes and soldier along with mercy, Torb, rein, Ana etc like ultra said so they would possibly have information to give Sierra

[spare fox]

I mean Talon is already after the serum so makes sense for them to go after her, now this is the reason OW needs to go seek her

[shrewd pivot]

Ana worked with Jack and Gabriel, and Mercy was a doctor in og overwatch. Yeye

[spare fox]

idk this might be the reason they use to get OW (at least a few agents) going to Australia

for season 4

[civic lynx]

If Sierra has any form of morality she may understand the fact talon not only would most likely not tell her anything but also would force her to do operations she’s not willing to

So ow is the only option

[peak escarp]

Overwatch wasn't involved in the Soldier Enhancement Program

it was run by the US military

[spare fox]

was that screenshot from something official?

[odd slate]

yes! from the ow website

one sec

[shrewd pivot]

I wonder if Sierra has any 'superpowers' since her mom was Soldier00(001?), OR if Sierra was born prior and Sierra's mom went thru the super soldier program and then didn't survive.

I am suprised Sierra isn't staying with Helix for a bit longer. Ig we don't have an active Helix member after all hm

[odd slate]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24266793/reach-heroic-heights-in-reign-of-talon-season-2-summit/

[odd slate]

she could always straddle both

like kiri and the yokai

though kiri is more focused on the yokai haha

[shrewd pivot]

Hm maybe. I'm guessing she might one or the other tho. I am unsure if Helix lets you properly be Helix AND Overwatch at the same time.

I hope they handle her mom's lore mindfully.

I do really wonder if her mom was pregnant with Sierra before or after the super soldier program, assuming it's her bio mom. If Sierra has active 'super endurance/strength' etc super soldier genes, that reflects Naughton's goals of inheritance of super soldier genes.

[spare fox]

oooof if she was the first test subject... from what Declassified went into, she likely didn't wind up too peachy
Not all the super soldiers wound up errr... Reyes-y or dead, but...

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah

[civic lynx]

https://x.com/owcavalry/status/2043748061369766041?s=46

Overwatch Cavalry (@OWCavalry)

Learn More about Sierra in #Overwatch 🪖

A new event will unlock lore set in the aftermath of her stand against Talon, with rewards including Voice Lines, an Icon, a Name Card, a Player Title, a Spray, Battle Pass Tier Skips, and Loot Boxes.

🗓️ Available: Apr 14 - May 04

X · Apr 13, 2026, 5:48 PM

[peak escarp]

if Sierra was born before the project, she'd have to be at least 30

if after, she's around Brigitte's age

but like Spooky said, early participants in the SEP didn't do so well

[brittle sky]

Do we think they'd go for something as reserved and also pointed as 'my black mom after having me (so I'm definitely not full of SEP goo) was experimented on and likely disabled and/or killed by the American government's eugenics-ass medical experiments' when they could go for 'my cool supermom got juiced as a super soldier, and I possibly inherited some of her ubermensch genes'?

[odd slate]

if she did inherit the genes, why does she need a drone to be able to do half of her kit?

her speed doesnt seem to be anything remarkable, not like jack's

im not counting reyes bc he's a different case entirely by now

it would be interesting if she was the kid of a soldier but the genes were recessive, so she never lived up to the "potential" her mom had, or what have you

and she wants to know more about her mom, the program, why she didn't get anything, etc

[brittle sky]

most of the supersoldier's ability is solidly outside canon, largley their healing factor.

[brittle sky]

lord knows we don't have enough characters that are defined by not living up to their parent's expectations and so are overcompensating for that. We only got like... 4 of those this year.

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah that's true

And uh, thanks for mentioning the elephant in the room. Idk how i feel about this lore exactly. It really depends how they handle it in execution so I will wait before guesses

It's equally likely her mom is alive vs her mom did not survive (or is heavily injured)

[shrewd pivot]

And exactly my thought! Not that it can't be, more so, why would they have her kit focus on the drone instead of any super soldier aspects

[odd slate]

wuyang and anran are the only two that come to mind?

[spare fox]

well supersoldiers don't fly or see through terrain so

[brittle sky]

don't forget domina

[odd slate]

i suppose so

[shrewd pivot]

Domina absolutely was shoehorned by her family into being what she is today imo

[brittle sky]

and if we go back further, pharah, illari...

[shrewd pivot]

Nah illari is more so self imposed imo, survivors guilt

Pharah, Anran, Wuyang, Domina come to mind for parental expectations.

[odd slate]

lmao?? illari is not that at all

the majority of her issues are "i killed these people on accident"

her people were nothing but supportive

she showed no signs of "my parents need me to perform so i dont disappoint them" like anran, wuyang, or domina

[shrewd pivot]

LW kinda but he is fine with "disappointing" his parents, and Ashe yes but that's her arc of a vendetta.

[odd slate]

and even then, anran and wuyang are different aspects of the same issue bc one is the older child who has to look out for herself AND wuyang AND keep her parents happy, while wuyang just has a fear of disappointing his parents

[spare fox]

Pharah's story isn't about her not living up to her mother's expectations. Her mother didn't want the same life for Fareeha, but Fareeha chose it anyway. Ana wasn't disappointed in her

[broken eagle]

When it starts?

[shrewd pivot]

I do wish Anran and Wuyang had more agency to thier hero stories beyond a focus on toxic conditional love tho

[odd slate]

i'm sure they'll get more

[shrewd pivot]

I hope those two find a healthy support in overwatch

[broken eagle]

Nvm i found it

[odd slate]

they are a very fun duo, and i can see them being adopted quite easily by the others

in the newest (webtoons?) comic, juno was even going through so much trouble to make the perfect introduction party for them

ow definitely does care, and likely more than their own parents 🥀

at least with what we know now

[brittle sky]

She's self imposed, but in the very related 'living up to massive expectations of my forebearers is hugely influential to my character and story'. I don't think we can say she doesn't hit the general trends and tropes juste because it's not her literal parents.

[odd slate]

i still think the emphasis is on the fact she wiped out her entire tribe of solar users rather than whatever pressure was put onto her

yeah, it's related, but the survivor's guilt is the main focal point

[brittle sky]

Notably, I don't think it's her whole tribe, just the inti warrior order

[fallow mantle]

Rainy day roadhog LMAO

[odd slate]

that's why i specified solar warriors

i couldnt remember the name of that specific sect, but she killed them AND destroyed databases for their creations

their weapons, their pylons

that's where her horror lies

[brittle sky]

Tribe implies whole society, rather than just the warrior caste, so wanted to clarify.

[shrewd pivot]

I'm going to say the core aspect is that there are toxic parents. You could argue training young warriors for more than they can handle is perhaps a toxic pressure but imo Illari's story doesn't belong in the clump with toxic standard parents as Pharah, Anran, Wuyang, and Domina. A lot of Illari's pressure is survivors guilt. The others feel they should have performed to appease a parent via trying to 'earn' conditional love. In Pharah's case it was neglect.

[odd slate]

not "oh i was pushed into this by these people around me, who showed support and wanted the best for me", but "i killed all of these people, wiped out this part of my people's history, and belong nowhere as a result"

[brittle sky]

I think they are writing those stories from a similar emotional point even if the ultimate drives or emotional beats are different.

[shrewd pivot]

I do like the shape use of the pants here, looks nice

I am very confused about her canon hair texture tho bc of that promo image... ill just... take the promo image as canon.

Aka this promo image

[civic lynx]

I assume the promo is canon and the skin is just to make it easier to work with when making cosmetics

Even tho if it was such an issue to make skins why give her that hair texture to begin with but whatever

[shrewd pivot]

Which is sad imo bc they def can do afro textured hair as we see with Sojourn and Baptiste and Doomfist and Lúcio, and if not afro textured, a larger curly hair and braids should be fine in game for Sierra so what gives :/

Like Sojourn Barista skin has curls, idk why we have yet to get w curly haired hero proper yet, that curly style would have worked for Sierra's bangs

[civic lynx]

I completely agree, it would be nice if a dev who worked on the skin explained why the hair changed

If her future legendaries also change the hair I would be concerned they’re just taking the easy route instead of putting a bit more time into the skin but she remains true to her lore appearance

[shrewd pivot]

Bc idk I want to draw fanart!!!! But im not about to draw incorrect texture on Sierra if she is canonically meant to not have straight hair-- that just feels icky to do in fanart.

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah we will have to wait and see

[south torrent]

SIERRA

[languid nacelle]

yey

ngl the soldier mythic is eh

in my opinion

[peak escarp]

I have so many more questions after watching the motion comic

[shrewd pivot]

Just saw the comic, 12 years ago ||Sierra's mom was abducted by the government|| and it seems like ||her mom took her away from thier dad to keep Sierra safe??? Possibly Sierra has super soldier genes?||

Also imo this is confirmation Sierra does not have straight hair canonically, her younger self was depicted with this style.

[peak escarp]

we know she's graduated high school so she's at least 18+

[shrewd pivot]

What occured around 12 years ago in the timeline?

Overwatch didn't fall yet

[spare fox]

hm or small detail, she graduated and then turned 18, per the email subject order she sent to her mom, which is not uncommon
I graduated hs when I was 17 and then turned 18 that August

[shrewd pivot]

So I wonder if its that Sierra's ||genetics|| are why her mom took her and left.

[peak escarp]

where does it say 12 years ago?

[fallow mantle]

last panelish

[peak escarp]

ah

[spare fox]

yeah her mom disappeared 12 years ago - I wonder if she was actually taken or disappeared herself to protect Sierra

[brittle sky]

i think if she took sierra then she strongly suspects that the government shares naughton's interest in the possibility of children of SEP soldiers being enhanced as well. To that effect, I think it would not really protect Sierra at all for her mom to then go on to bounce without her.

[odd slate]

interesting

where's the comic posted? or is it only available in game rn?

[peak escarp]

only in game right now

it'll probably be on youtube soon

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah her mom was probably actually taken by the govt bc that's what prior panels suggested might occur and her mom had a backup plan incase it happened for Sierra

That's really really scary for Sierra tho

[odd slate]

for sure

damn

[civic lynx]

https://youtu.be/O7JRRBhgelo?si=zryCzjcUQSUPILnB now on YouTube

[spare fox]

yeah it's possible because that's what's implied to have happened, but then if that was the case then she was literally kidnapped right from underneath Sierra like she was asleep on her and wasn't awakened at all for said kidnapping? When her mom had involved her in all those drills and escapes growing up? I guess it's possible but it's making me wonder if there's more to it than she was taken

[south torrent]

Ugh she’s perfect

[spare fox]

and it was 12 years ago... I wonder if "they" were after Jack and Gabriel too or just the very first?

[shrewd pivot]

@spare fox yeah I mean, it's the government chasing them down, they might have some special ops on the mission to abduct her mom.

Ahhh but if its eye conspiracy that very well could be possible too

[peak escarp]

I still don't see where it says 12 years ago

[spare fox]

her mom never actually says the government, Sierra just assumes

[peak escarp]

I was so focused on the emails

[civic lynx]

I was too 😭

[peak escarp]

I didn't look at the speech bubbles

[civic lynx]

I thought I was missing something in them

[brittle sky]

Her mom also wouldn't have left a note and dogtags. On review, seems likely the mom dipped in some capacity, though it's possible the gmen intercepted her after.

Definitely implies she inherited SEP though

[peak escarp]

so if Kendra disappeared before her 13th birthday and it's been 12 years, she's 24

[spare fox]

omg I have the opposite problem with comics - I always wind up JUST reading and not paying attention to the pictures

[peak escarp]

I guess if she's got SEP genetics 24 isn't too young... but I am getting tired of all these young heroes

[civic lynx]

I really hope the idea people had of S3’s hero being older comes true

[shrewd pivot]

Her mom has beauty marks, Sierra has one on her forehead and shoulder! 🥺 man I hope Sierra finds what happened to her mom... iconic duo...

[digital linden]

could sierra's mother be one of the super soldiers then like jack and reyes?

thats probably been said. sorry if i missed that

[peak escarp]

yeah it was revealed in the blog post about s2

[civic lynx]

Yes she is, she was the first test subject for the program

[digital linden]

oh wow

nice to finally have info on another one

[peak escarp]

if her mother was the first then maybe her treatment wasn't as extreme as Gabe and Jack's

so less superpowered

[digital linden]

wonder why the government wanted her so badly if her super genes were less potent

presumably

[civic lynx]

Also is this meant to be referring to joining Overwatch?

[digital linden]

i thought that referred to her getting into a high position in helix

[edgy meadow]

they said in the season blog that she is joining overwatch

though her background is with helix

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I am happy she is joining overwatch tbh, Helix is pretty suspect.

[spare fox]

and it kind of makes me wonder if -unreleased Undivided spoilers - ||I guess Sojourn is learning that Overwatch is back in business and is cleared||

[shrewd pivot]

Sierra and Juno will probably bond over missing thier moms tho :<

[civic lynx]

https://x.com/uniwatchow/status/2043770433720242637?s=46 what do we think about this

Uniwatch (@UniwatchOW)

Ok so...

Kendra Woods has gone missing around 12 years ago, sparking Sierra's search for her. You know what also roughly started around that timeframe? Emre's dissapearance and Chernobog resuming activity

That means....Emre could be responsible for kidnapping Kendra

TLDR:

X · Apr 13, 2026, 7:16 PM

[spare fox]

-has one too many eyes

[peak escarp]

but why

[spare fox]

no but seriously it's as good a theory as any

if the conspiracy is what is/was after Kendra Woods, it kind of tracks

the only time "the government" is brought up is when James tells Sierra that the government was looking for Kendra

[shrewd pivot]

Pardon my poor memory, how many years ago was Swiss HQ explosion?

[spare fox]

maybe it was the government... or maybe it was someone claiming to be the government

[peak escarp]

7 years

[shrewd pivot]

Ok then yeah idk how that relates to Emre kidnapping Kendra, unless we know exact years when Emre left overwatch?

I do this it could be eye conspiracy kidnapping Kendra, that would wrap Sierra into the conspiracy chase alongside illari, sombra, and soldier76

[spare fox]

and if Sierra is with Overwatch, that secondhand brings Overwatch into it as well

[shrewd pivot]

Also I think for fanart im going to use the promo image as basis (tighter curls, not straight hair for the braids), and like. I really hope Sierra gets a lot of cute skins!!! They could do so much with her long braid silhouette, so many different styles, I hope they showcase different braids, locs, twists, etc.

Idk why they didn't use twists for her hair style bc twists legit look like a Helix shape (compressed springs) but i digress.

[odd slate]

lots of new info

would be interesting if emre was behind the disappearance, but that could be a red herring

there is something off abt dogtags and a note being left, though. seems too suspect

[peak escarp]

hard to call it a red herring when nothing canon points to Emre

[spare fox]

and the Wordra game is a HEXAGON just like the conspiracy shape eeeeee

[peak escarp]

offbrand Scrabble

[spare fox]

sorry I have a 'hexagons are important' theory

[odd slate]

i mean the timeline thing, the twelve years lining up

[shrewd pivot]

Red herring foreshadowing via Emre being a "get it done" kind of eye conspiracy agent

[peak escarp]

we don't know when Emre left Overwatch

[odd slate]

could be a coincidence, like both happened to have been twelve years ago

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah we don't

[peak escarp]

it could have been less than 12 years ago

[shrewd pivot]

That's why I was confused about the twt linked theory bc its not confirmed Emre left 12 years ago

[spare fox]

a red herring would be more like "the government is after Kendra"

[shrewd pivot]

I mean Emre is foreshadowed to be more involved than we currently know details atm, I think it's a fair statement to say Emre is red herring possibility

[peak escarp]

Freja's comic shows Emre leaving after a mission involving Reinhardt - if this is the Hivemind mission that forced his retirement, then it was 8-9 years ago

after Uprising

[shrewd pivot]

Im so hype to see Sierra's interactions with others knowing this bit about her past now... illari and Sierra (lost family), Sierra and Anran (leaders over achievers), Pharah and Sierra (Helix history), etc. I wonder how Soldier76 and Sierra will interact in voicelines, and I wonder how Ana and Sierra will interact in canon and voicelines.

I am so curious what Moira has to say in voicelines considering Talon probably stole the super soldier serum for Moira's use in experiments.

[peak escarp]

hmm, on second thought it probably isn't that mission

[shrewd pivot]

I mean, the mission still places Emre within overwatch at atleast 8-9 years ago regardless, which doesn't line up with the 12 years thing, even if its not the exact mission from the comic.

And yeah, Sierra is 25 at *maximum(oops!) bc of the emails confirming her mom was taken before 13th birthday, and its been 12 years since her mom dissappeared

[peak escarp]

also "they" have been after her for longer than 12 years, so Emre/the conspiracy is unlikely

[peak escarp]

you mean at maximum

[spare fox]

right, I misread it as "know you're out there" as the most recent, not oldest

yeah I think she's likely 24, give or take a few months

[vocal marsh]

Nope she’s Benjamin Button and turned 18 before she turned 13

[shrewd pivot]

I presume the initial was govt, then it could be a sudden disappearance caused by eye conspiracy. Or something else entirely. Or, it really just was the govt that reached Kendra.

[peak escarp]

or she vanished because they were getting too close

[shrewd pivot]

Assuming she would leave Sierra, that is 🤔

Edit: I would think they would also be interested in Kendra's kids bc of the super soldier gene aspects

[peak escarp]

my main reason for thinking she might have voluntarily vanished is because if it was the government looking for her, would they not be interested in her daughter too? Someone with potential supersoldier genetics?

so Kendra would flee, leading them away from her daughter - or maybe went willingly on the condition that they leave Sierra alone

[shrewd pivot]

Ah yeah sorry I didn't finish my thought ahead, I would assume Kendra taking Sierra WITH her was to protect Sierra from whoever was after Kemdra bc they would be after Sierra too

[peak escarp]

there's a lot of explanations that could work

[shrewd pivot]

I could see a deal where Sierra is spared maybe

[peak escarp]

like I said, the comic just raises more questions

[shrewd pivot]

Im sure it will be an interesting plot thread to follow!

[vocal marsh]

I feel like if they were interested in Sierra, they would’ve gone after James no?

[shrewd pivot]

Kendra has the super soldier genes, so Sierra has them too presumably. The govt eventually did contact her dad, but her dad does not have super soldier genes.

[peak escarp]

the government contacted her dad?

[spare fox]

her dad said the government was after Kendra

[peak escarp]

ah

they were looking for Kendra

all the more reason to think she went underground on her own

[spare fox]

not sure if he knows that for a fact, that he's assuming that it was the government, that it actually was the government, or people claiming to be the government

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah in the comic it said that when Sierra and her mom left, the govt contacted Sierra's dad

[vocal marsh]

No but I feel like if they were interested in Sierra, it’d be pretty obvious to think that she’s with James

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah so like. Ig the government wasn't at all interested in getting to Sierra? The govt was only after her mom???

Then why did Kendra take Sierra with her?

Maybe super soldier genes take time to show...? And maybe Sierra didn't get the aactive genes? Idk it's odd that Kendra would constantly displace Sierra like that if it wasn't for Sierra's safety.

[peak escarp]

she seems smart and athletic, but not abnormally so

could just be from her mom teaching her

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah Sierra doesn't seem to have any indication of super soldier genes, atleast not yet

So idk why Sierra didn't stay with her dad in a stable situation if her mom was the one being tracked. I presume Sierra was taken with her mom for Sierra's safety.

[peak escarp]

Sierra is the second child of a SEP soldier we've met... although the first we really get to see doing anything

[brittle sky]

I think they emphasized her physical excellence (and previously did in her first teaser on the datapad) enough that it's a very likely option that she inherited at least some SEP qualities.

[shrewd pivot]

I think they would have made it more explicit if she had super soldier aspects tho, no?

[brittle sky]

Like, the 'other kids got jealous of how good I did, and I didn't get close' did not need to be multiple panels if that was all they were saying.

I think they want that to be a later reveal as to why.

[shrewd pivot]

Hm yeah

The talent sure could read as "kid of a super soldier" tho I agree

I just would have assumed it would be more prevalent in her design/lore like Soldier76 is

I do like that she is joining overwatch tho

This makes me wonder what how her interactions will go with Hazard, as it's not so obviously a "anti helix" response, probably a comment of 'you just went from one organization to another organization' maybe bc Hazard dislikes Helix and Overwatch

Sojourn and Sierra interactions might be fun bc both have military backgrounds and a focus on "chasing the truth"

Cass and Sierra will def talk about deadlock gang

[odd slate]

this image makes me so sad wtf

ughh

[shrewd pivot]

Ikr :<

[civic lynx]

https://fixupx.com/playoverwatch/status/2043783765063844265?s=46

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch)

We’re proud to continue expanding our hero roster and the communities around the globe we get to represent. Sierra is a proud Black American woman and adventurous soul whose life has taken her all across the states--but she's always happy to return to her roots with a hike through Virginia. We’re excited to continue her story as the Reign of Talon arc continues in Season 2.

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FixupX · Apr 13, 2026, 8:09 PM

Sierra is from Virginia

[odd slate]

bless her heart

[dry pebble]

Why do i think majority of recently released characters has no solid personality as previous heroes

[spare fox]

finally East Coast rep

[dry pebble]

They feel like cheerful NPCs you interact around

[peak escarp]

they haven't been around long enough to get to know them

[shrewd pivot]

Sweet! I didn't want to say before knowing ofc, but now that we do! Sierra's accent is pretty on par with the general south east area. I don't live in Virginia, rather a close by state, but it's similar-esque cadence in accent and how some words have more accent emphasis than others, basically good job to the voice direction!

[dry pebble]

Pretty much but releasing too many heroes at once doesnt helping as well

I wish at least they could make a origin story video for each one of its instead of whole comics, those were feeling more authentic

[brittle sky]

Because they are vaguely protagonistic meant to be cool in fairly similar ways and differ mostly in origin, backstory, and immediate mood, rather than deeper variety in their place in the world and how the world has shaped them.

[shrewd pivot]

Many are less "pulp fiction media character archetype", I think Hazard and Vendetta falls into a strong archetype, but the others are more so personal stories that have yet to have arcs play out fully.

[peak escarp]

many of the origin story videos didn't give very much info on the heroes

at least the comics since Juno have given a pretty complete backstory

[dry pebble]

Moira, Hammond and Ram?

Those were pretty summarizing their lore from beginning to end

[peak escarp]

those are good, but then you get ones like Sigma or Echo where it's a cool video that gives you almost nothing on the hero

[shrewd pivot]

I think a pace of 4 heroes a year would have been fine, but it does seem like 6 heroes a year us the new standard, I doo agree 5 at once can create some fatigue BUT I am very interested in the plotlines :)

[dry pebble]

I mean Sigma, as a character supposed to be confusing

And Origin story delivers that

[peak escarp]

not really?

why is he supposed to be confusing

[dry pebble]

What

[peak escarp]

what happened to him is pretty straight forward

[dry pebble]

It's a guy that mind is shattered while attempting to harness the black hole isn't it

[peak escarp]

yes

there's not much confusing about that

[shrewd pivot]

Tbf Echo did get her fill of lore in later media, her origin played her like an "echo" blank slate

Sigma was a good exploration of his character tho imo even if not history, it did a good job of giving us a unique POV

Origin trailers should give you an idea of a characters motivations and vibe and personality imo, a way to intro a new hero into the overwatch universe

[dry pebble]

I'm not talking of its lore as confusing. I meant the character overall

[shrewd pivot]

The comics did go pretty indepth with Juno tbf, but I do really miss those universal intro origin shorts, last one was illari

[dry pebble]

Also his origin story pretty much shows the fact how he lost it as he trying to harness the blackhole, or kept in inside asylum

[dry pebble]

For real

They were feeling, what can i say

Qualified

[shrewd pivot]

It was a strong identify for overwatch to intro heros that way, so I was sad to see it go.

[dry pebble]

I really wish Emre had one as well his lore is the most unique out of the characters that released last update

[vocal marsh]

Domina has been given decent characterization

[dry pebble]

TBH i didnt like it that much

[vocal marsh]

Most of the characters have their personalities and morals defined

Except the cat

[shrewd pivot]

Domina is probably my favorite character to see on screen out of the 5 bc of her banter

My issue with the videos is that the text reads way differently from the audio, Domina's ending line is completely a different tone

[dry pebble]

I don't wanted the corporate act to become an actual thing tho

This doesn't mean i'm not loving her anymore tho

[vocal marsh]

I mean that’s her whole thing

[shrewd pivot]

Her creating the facade out of societal pressure/insecurity is her entire thing tho :o gives a big reveal moment for Symmetra uncovering the truth as well

[dry pebble]

From character to design its my favorite hero released this update, and her kit is incredibly fun

[vocal marsh]

She’s kinda ass at her job but she keeps up the charade and chases what she wants

[fallow mantle]

lmao on this subject - I was watching overwatch videos with my dad yesterday and this one came up and he said he didn't get it at all

[shrewd pivot]

It's not really straight forward on first watch imo

You are meant to rewatch it anyhow haha

[peak escarp]

I mean that his situation is straightforward

the origin trailer makes a mess of it

[shrewd pivot]

A lot of heroes have straight forward stories too tbf. Mei isn't exactly complex, she was a scientist that went into cryo, then woke up.

[vocal marsh]

And all her friends are dead

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah

[vocal marsh]

In a way she’s Captain America without the super serum

[shrewd pivot]

Sigma invented grav tech, then later had a gravity black hole experiment accident, then was confined, then was broken out by Talon so Talon could manipulate him

Honestly im pretty interested in Sierra's plotline, I wonder where the thread will lead

Prior to all these lore drops, I expected her to be more involved with deadlock vs Helix bc of the roadmap, but it seems the road map is hinting at actual events in canon rather than the focus of that hero's lore, which is exciting! Many surprises await

[odd slate]

i just started the motion comic and i already love how khaya voices her

omg

she has so much life in her voice

oh man, her restarting and always being the new girl? hello, life of a military child

speaking from experience

that stuff is rough

[keen summit]

I feel like Sierra might also be one of the people fighting the conspiracy

[odd slate]

god her comic made me sad

[keen summit]

To me ot feels like we are gearing up to take on the conspiracy too

[odd slate]

most likely

she's putting the pieces together

[keen summit]

Yeah and she specifically needed high securitu clearance

And chernobog was the god ai of security

To add, helix also is in charge of securing the only other still "living" god ai

[odd slate]

anubis irritated in confinement

[keen summit]

So helix knowing of chernobog being alive somehow?

Very possible

Im most curious as to if chernobog IS the conspiracy or it the conspiracy weaponizes chernobog

[past copper]

Fire Ram skin, but to all the 90s lovers here, who else he look like to ya?

[languid nacelle]

diablo

hey, does sierras comic remind anyone else of maximum ride a little bit?

[past copper]

Actually. Ram looks a lot more like Lord Zedd from MMPR

[spare fox]

Tim Curry's lord of darkness from Legend

https://tenor.com/view/baphomet-hail-satan-evil-dark-gif-12855717

Mines from the 80s but still

[past copper]

Also. If and when this collab will ever be possible. I found who Ram can be in it

Ya can't say Shredder Ramattra doesn't sound cool

[spare fox]

And Mizuki can be all 4 turtles just different colors

[past copper]

Oh God. I can already see this skin selling

April O'Neal Kiriko

[odd slate]

nah, she wouldn't be april i dont think

if we're going off of theme

[odd slate]

there's this content creator i follow on youtube, and this skin reminds me of their male oc they draw all the time haha

i saw the horns and did a double take

[orchid magnet]

Ram could be a mech suit for the krang\

[meager geyser]

Shredder is one of the tuffest names ever created

[wooden drift]

Emre could be better suited for it, if they ever experiment with making his eye something else

[buoyant verge]

one of the tuffest characters ever made

[odd slate]

[south torrent]

[shrewd pivot]

Shredder I can see for Reaper just bc of the campiness and silhouette

Wuyang Donatello bc staff, Genji Leonardo, Hazard Raphael, Mizuki Michelangelo bc in some versions Michelangelo has a chain weapon? April could be any lady tbh.

Krang D.MON or Ashe and Krang BOB?

Junkrat and Roadhog bebop and rocksteady?

That's my guesses atleast

[proud thistle]

Is Emre Muslim? He’s from a majority Islamic country, so wouldn’t be surprised if he is

[shrewd pivot]

There is confirmation for or against Emre being Muslim in canon yet. Up to your headcanon :)

[proud thistle]

👍

[native cobalt]

Is Dr. Winston dead?

[shrewd pivot]

Yes

[native cobalt]

Also why can Winston talk and Hammond can't?

[shrewd pivot]

Neither gorillas or hamsters have human vocal chords. The fact Winston can talk like a human is a suprise considering that.

It seems Winston was genetically modified to be able to speak like a human, but no explicit canon explains why Winston can talk but Hammond can't.

[elfin bane]

hot damn new soilder skin is hot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179245191010463765/1493455896028647575/IMG_1328.png?ex=69df08b0&is=69ddb730&hm=66f2f5e505efe46bf9aa33a78e02b97d1f7a1c18e0f6bdfca1f54aacc32f95a8&

[rustic gate]

Is the new Ram skin a Mythic Skin or is it just a legendary?

[round bramble]

What are the chances Doomfist wont make a comeback and they legitimately just killed him off for their shiny new self-insert

[vocal marsh]

It’d be a bit difficult for Emre to be a practicing Muslim, considering the fact that he is not conscious a lot of the time and is being forced to murder and technically has “some” piercings

[rustic gate]

I appreciate someone else bringing up Vendetta's true title. They'd most likely bring him back because that'd just make the Doomfist players mad, and also he was a likeable hero in terms of lore, but he'd be put in the back burner for some time, considering Blizzard is trying to 'advance' Overwatch's story, they can't have it going back to the way things were before Vendetta.

[rustic gate]

Didn't Soldier 76 and Emre have something going on? Or was that someone else?

[vocal marsh]

That was someone else

[mighty jetty]

Did Reinhardt ever get married

[hushed jetty]

not that we know of

[merry token]

It was a man named Vincent that was Soldier’s partner

He just also has spiky hair lol

[rustic gate]

Ahh

Okay

Thought Emre and him were together

I thought Emre was ditching Soldier completely for Freja

[obsidian grotto]

Junkrat is more respected than Freja
Apart from Emre, nobody has the slightest respect for her

[spare fox]

yeah but Junkrat is the designated buttmonkey on the roster. Even his best friend hates him, and he's supposed to be getting paid to be around him lol

[keen summit]

Kiriko got confirmed not magic

[loud cape]

I love how australia is presented within Overwatch

Its very cool

Im a big fan of the junkers, the wasteland, junkertown, all the characters

Its probably my favourite thing about the game that isn’t just the gameplay or characters

[keen summit]

Thats not all australia is

[loud cape]

Im Australian.

[keen summit]

Icl id kinda like if we got an australian from the cities in ow

[keen summit]

I meant in ow

Cuz they also have big cities

[loud cape]

Oh the suits stuff would be cool

[loud cape]

Sorry thats mb

[keen summit]

Make them the boggest antagonist to junkers, an omnic who wishes to claim land for omnics

Hell if you want make it connected to null sector and trying to find a place for omnics in their own way

[loud cape]

I would love to see the aussie omnium as like a flashpoint map or a hybrid maybe

Cause isn’t that a thing in lote

Lore

Something junkrats treasure

And isn’t mauga supposed to be in Australia rn anyway

[keen summit]

New junk city

[loud cape]

To recruit junkertown

[keen summit]

Is that

They changed the omnium into a city

[loud cape]

I forgot

I like the map I just don’t like flashpoint

Does that make sense

[loud cape]

Ohhhh I see

[keen summit]

We also kinda got implied what this is

Its some kinda ship iirc

[loud cape]

Junkrat is the key to save junos mars colony 🙏

[keen summit]

Im not sure tho

But rat and hog got pardoned

[keen summit]

Fox spirit being tech is a huge retcon though
Your telling me that asas husband gave her mom the fox spirit anima art, and yet asa DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THE FOX SPIRIT

[pliant yoke]

Y'all... sci-fi is just magic.

I mean they literally have dragon spirits and whatever the hell Kiriko's got going on and they're saying it's some holo device

she is literally summoning a fox spirit

and throwing out papers that heal people

[keen summit]

All that can be said to becfine

[keen summit]

If i call a gun a thunder shooter, do i fire electricity

Its explained that the fox spirit just like the dragons is just anima art her dad made

The issue is more the inconsistency around it

Because it was never implied to be as such cuz clearly they didnt plan that

[pliant yoke]

and you're telling me that the animas are not just magic?

[keen summit]

In a world where we have hardlight that can teleport people as tech?

It isn't that unbelievable

[pliant yoke]

I mean if I make a device that can house a whole ass soul that has seemingly magical abilities, yeah I'd probably call it magic myself even if there's some scientific explanation around it.

[keen summit]

That isnt the issue. The issue is that at all times kirikos fox was always refered to as not tech

[keen summit]

Its not an actual soul

That got confirmed too

Its just metaphorical

[pliant yoke]

Oh so it's an AI?

Wait...

[keen summit]

No

Its just energy

It doesnt have a mind

He made it himself

Same with the paper

[pliant yoke]

So... it's a device with powers and abilities that could be construed as magical, but its actually tech.

It seems like sci-fi is just magic with different flavor text lel.

Now that I think about it, Science is just magic with different flavor

[keen summit]

The issue is everything around it. Kanezaka letter stated that her dad made her one last thing before he got taken away, which were her knives, those appearantly arent special

[keen summit]

I mean we recognize hardlight as tech

As i said the technicalities arent the issues

Its the context