lore-discussion

[odd slate]

yaur no ive been strict about avoiding the g-word when i learned the original intent so i get it

the highest omnic being there can be or sumn

[shrewd pivot]

Yeye!

I like that overwatch has worldbuilding where faith isn't deemed "canon" or "noncanon"

Aka, "no true magic, only tech" means every cultural story can be told in overwatch's worldbuilding setting without there being a "one true religion" issue delegitamizing other heroes stories

Like, Reyes is confirmed atheist and Soldier76 is confirmed Christian Catholic, but that does not delegitamize Kiriko being a Shinto Shrine Maiden and vice versa

I do enjoy that aspect bc other super hero series would just say magic is real or whatnot, which then delegitamizes certain faiths/perspectives

[odd slate]

like x men and magic, perhaps

first thing i could think of

[pure eagle]

how did cas lose his arm? is it ever explained?

[shrewd pivot]

No clear answer on how exactly, no

[pure eagle]

ah ok

Ive always assumed it was during his blackwatch days

[swift trout]

He had it then, and based on dialogue he had it last time he saw Echo, so most likely it was between the Fall and the Recall

Probably lost it in a barfight knowing him

[pure eagle]

yea

[shrewd pivot]

iirc Dr knows the specific lore piece that can point to what time

[peak escarp]

he most likely lost it after Overwatch disbanded

[spare fox]

He must have lost it sometime after Uprising, and before Trainhopper, other than that it's unclear

[pure eagle]

i forgot about trainhopper

i have that in my collection

along with my mini cas

he’s so tuff

[past copper]

Just a few hours away until we get to see what the new hero in action is like

[spare fox]

Ssyhhshjxbdbehshwhyxxhsbbejsixoalskx!! That cliffhanger on Undivided !!!!!!

||I'm literally torn between the two.
If Neo OW is a GO, then like... why even bother calling now.
On the other hand, if they're being forced to disband... well I could see the IJC pulling a "OW is too much of a security risk"||

[golden sorrel]

Sup Overwatch lore

[past copper]

Imagine if she was added before hand. She would have gotten the Cammy skin instead

[spare fox]

yeah... well it's not impossible that they'll do the collab again and give H51 a different cammy skin or something - never say never

I know the colors are much closer to Cammy's design for 4/5 which yeah def seems like a missed opportunity

[past copper]

To be fair. They were kinda helping to promote SF6 at the time

[spare fox]

ah yeah.. I'm not too familiar with the SF fandom so

[past copper]

Even then. Her design seems heavily inspired by Cammy's. Beret, hair, shirt, etc.

[spare fox]

if when they do the KPDH collab, she's gonna be Rumi for sure

[past copper]

Nah. Widow will be Rumi. She already has the purple hair in one long braid

[spare fox]

ehhh... not that I know H51's personality or age or anything (I probably shouldn't have said "for sure") but Widow... I really don't think so

[past copper]

And tattoos. Which can be made into demon marks

Of course. You forget there's a hero with a big sword now in the game. Can't rule out Rumi Vendetta

[spare fox]

hmm

[wise grotto]

Except they didn't use any sf6 designs except for juri

The collab was a disappointment as a sf fan

ALSO no sf6 characters the newest character was juri from sf4 originally

Capcom however is NEVER very smart with handling that kinda thing anyway

An expected disappointment

[peak escarp]

the new premium issue of the comic explains where Overwatch retreats to

[spare fox]

Yeah that wasn't on my bingo card

||Maybe THAT'S why we haven't gotten Torb's shop as a map yet- they're making it lore-updated... besides making it a mode that's still used in the game...||

[peak escarp]

they should just bring back 2cp so we can have Gothenburg as intended

especially since Clash was a failure

[spare fox]

Ngl I'm not a fan of either of them

But but lore-wise, future base map, spawn room just like the one on Meka base where you see Dvas room, but since it's the OW base, the rooms are the team's rooms

[vocal cedar]

Did you know ? overwatch lore is set at 2077 , by that time i would be 76 years old .

Im so old at that time .

I don't think i can survive until that time .

[languid nacelle]

if i get a vpn can i watch the character trailer early?

[lunar mesa]

Does hazard count as clanker or is he a half breed

[languid nacelle]

dude why.

[shrewd pivot]

See this is why im sad clanker became a term outside star wars fandom, bc you have people being "Joke racist" about things now

Please don't joke like this, it's not funny.

Hazard is a human, he just has prosthesis.

[languid nacelle]

thats like saying a war vet who stepped on an ied is a clanker cus they have prostetic legs

[shrewd pivot]

Overwatch 1 is most likely 2077, overwatch 2 is most likely 2079 from my guesses :)

[lunar mesa]

Takin it like a cryin child gng I'm just fuckin around mb

[shrewd pivot]

Crying child? I am a grown adult, and racism isn't a "joke" -- there are teens and adults in this server. Please be more mindful.

[shrewd pivot]

No, it releases at the same time globally.

[languid nacelle]

i know. it comes at noon for me, im just sad because its already 9 where im at

the announcement said 9:00 last i checked

[odd slate]

do not make me yap about who will be what character for the kpdh collab, oughhhh

there are so many possibilities

excited for the new trailer tho, have it pulled up and waiting on my laptop already

[languid nacelle]

same

[spare fox]

1 hour?

[languid nacelle]

62 minutes and counting

[odd slate]

yeppers

it's 9AM PST, so whatever your time-zone is make sure to convert it

[languid nacelle]

atlantic time zone - 12:00

[odd slate]

jaja me too

[languid nacelle]

ngl, ive had the tab open since monday.

[runic mauve]

Has this question been answered yet?

[languid nacelle]

temporal downsyndrome or something like that?

highly unlikely since tracer is les and all, but still

[odd slate]

uhhhh

i think the kid would be fine

[languid nacelle]

who knows, maybe the kid could temporally shift at will or something like that

[odd slate]

perhaps

[languid nacelle]

it is the overwatch universa after all

[odd slate]

but if it's not a genetic condition i think the child would be fine

[languid nacelle]

but it is a cellular condition

[odd slate]

oh then idk

lol

[languid nacelle]

her cells themselves are unstable, so who knows how that would affect

[odd slate]

an easy answer is "she can't get pregnant bc of her condition"

[languid nacelle]

lol look at me i sound like i dont have a below average iq haha

[odd slate]

if you don't want to think about it

[languid nacelle]

thtas also true. and probably literalally true

it wouldnt suprise me at all if she was infertile from being temporally unstable

[odd slate]

yep yep

plus, to me, she feels like a momma that would adopt

[languid nacelle]

yeah.

the chat for the trailer is going crazy haha

[broken eagle]

When the trailer will release?

[languid nacelle]

34 minutes

also lots of people are saying alejandra

i know i know.

[odd slate]

i dont know who that is so this will just be a fun surprise regardless

[brittle sky]

It's a literal child that's appeared, as a child, in a few modern day bits of media

(soldier's hero cinematic and zarya's searching comic)

[odd slate]

ohhhh that one

yeah i do know her then

unless time fast forwarded id be real surprised if that was her

[civic lynx]

Even with the time jump of 2 years OW2 did for lore I think she’s still a teenager 😭

Same issue applies to the incredibly goofy theory people had of the hero being efi of all characters

[brittle sky]

efi would need some serious skin bleaching for that.

[odd slate]

5 minutessss

||HOMING WEAPONS?? ARE WE DEADASS||

[languid nacelle]

YEAHHHHH

[odd slate]

||SIERRA||

DO WE KNOW WHO THAT IS

god damn

ugh

ughhhh poor emre.....

[merry mason]

Ok trailer

[odd slate]

good to see frej still has some good in her

i swear though if ||she can fuckin fly as well using her drone||

[spare fox]

*cries in Junkrat main

[odd slate]

she seems to be ||rifle fire like soldier and emre (par for the course); homing missiles (likely a secondary ability); maybe something with climbing? idk. couldnt tell what her ult might be. scanning the map with the drone and pinging all enemies within range?||

[spare fox]

so like, timeline-wise

when is this?

after the Gibraltar attack or before?

[odd slate]

has to be after, right?

[broken eagle]

I think its probably after but im not sure

[odd slate]

soj was on comms

[civic lynx]

Her kit got leaked from a playtester

[spare fox]

if it's after then ||I guess we got our answer to the Ep 9 cliffhanger||

[civic lynx]

It’s basically everything we see her do in the cinematic

[odd slate]

"may setine (????), don't let deadlock get away with those weapons" so likely after??

[odd slate]

glad i got some of it right then!

[spare fox]

I'm pretty sure it's "Mesa Team"

[odd slate]

might be that

[hushed jetty]

||diffed in her own trailer im sick 😭 ||

[odd slate]

wonder if/when we'll get more exposition on emre's jailer

[languid nacelle]

dam she got emre

[south torrent]

Freja my beloved carried

[broken eagle]

Its interesing that chernobog takes over Emre after he is knocked out like "Get back to work"

[wooden drift]

Not her fault that chernobog is a beast

[languid nacelle]

wild

her face when he got back up though

[spare fox]

new hero sounds so young

all these babies

[odd slate]

she doesnt sound that young

i pinned her maybe late 20s, early 30s

[halcyon nest]

She sounds late 20

[languid nacelle]

maybe she cold be a grown alejandra then?

[hushed jetty]

0 chance

[spare fox]

I doubt it

[wooden drift]

Nuh

[odd slate]

no, even sped up timeline means she'd be a teen or sumn by now

[spare fox]

that cinematic was 2 years ago

[odd slate]

this is likely someone entirely new in mythos

[spare fox]

and in Searching she's still a child

[hushed jetty]

i imagine Sierra is her Actual Name

[odd slate]

who happens to be part of helix

[south topaz]

she looks and sounds a bit older than in her first artwork

[halcyon nest]

Also that bird she had gave her the ship’s location. What can we expect that in game?

[languid nacelle]

i think sierra is a code name

[spare fox]

it's one of those names that could be either so ig we'll see

[languid nacelle]

it almost looks like emre is starting to be able to fight cherns influence a bit right?

[spare fox]

hm to me, it kinda looks opposite? like it's getting harder for him to control it

[wooden drift]

Not really, he completely lost control when he screwed up once

[civic lynx]

Yeah to me it seems like chernobog is trying to take over more and Emre is struggling to stop it

[languid nacelle]

hmmm. maybe. the patial shift at the end though has me thinking

yeah i think yall right

im hoping we get another trailer that tells us more

[wooden drift]

Probably comic like the last time

[south torrent]

We get gameplay tomorrow

[civic lynx]

A comic will release the day before s2

[languid nacelle]

wdym i though it was the 14th?

[south torrent]

That’s the season launch

[languid nacelle]

oh

[south torrent]

OMG YES

[potent briar]

I like how the trailer shows how much of a problem Emre is if he isn’t kept in check

[languid nacelle]

wonder if she is from gen 1 (crisis heroes) or gen 2 (recall heroes)

[civic lynx]

She seems younger so I’d assume recall

[hushed jetty]

im hoping she's not directly with overwatch

[civic lynx]

I’d assume she’s somewhere between mid 20’s-mid 30’s

[hushed jetty]

we've had a few too many recall heroes

[potent briar]

I would assume she is at least around the same or older than Tracer

[languid nacelle]

no she seems strictly helix and was forced to cooperate with ow

[civic lynx]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually made her ow tbh

[potent briar]

Bc isn’t tracer like 27 or whatever?

[civic lynx]

I think it’s quite likely they’ll end up with every hero added this year being either OW or talon

[languid nacelle]

i mean, tecnically emre is a crisis hero right?

[broken eagle]

Real

[civic lynx]

Yeah he was in the original ow during the crisis I think

[languid nacelle]

so that would include freyja as well

[potent briar]

At least with the next two after Sierra

[civic lynx]

Yes

[languid nacelle]

next character is hashimoto girl

[potent briar]

Season 3 is obviously a Hashimoto member and Season 4 is most likely D.Mon

[vocal marsh]

Helix is OW aligned, she is not OW

[potent briar]

Both have faction ties to one of the main two

[languid nacelle]

true

[civic lynx]

I know but I think they may eventually have Sierra fully join ow later down the line

[vocal marsh]

Isn’t the tank S3

[languid nacelle]

tank s4

[vocal marsh]

Oh oops

[civic lynx]

S3 is the support

[languid nacelle]

SUPPORT?

that looks like a dps

[potent briar]

Yeah the ones that aren’t categorized in a future season are both of the omnics

[vocal marsh]

I doubt they’d do DPS back to back

[civic lynx]

I’m pretty sure they said they’re not doing 2 roles back to back

So she would have to be support

Then d.mon is (clearly) tank

[vocal marsh]

And logically it’d be 1-2-2

[languid nacelle]

yeah thats true

[potent briar]

The Omnic detective looking hero might be a tank

[languid nacelle]

then she could also go at it with mizuki

[civic lynx]

The detective is a support imo

[potent briar]

They kinda built like one

[olive glen]

this trailer tells me that Freja is an entity with plans on both Talon and Overwatch’s scale

[civic lynx]

Then the far left is a dps

[vocal marsh]

She’s basically a contractor for Talon

[potent briar]

Oh absolutely

[languid nacelle]

the null omnic is probably dps and trenchcoat boi is suppotr

[potent briar]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s another sniper

[languid nacelle]

we prolly only getting one tank this year

[civic lynx]

I think it’s a sniper or maybe some sort of rpg if they’re feeling creative

[potent briar]

True

[south torrent]

2

[olive glen]

yeah, but she’s her own person. She stopped Emre for essentially no reason here, and she’s visibly sussed out by Chernobog

[odd slate]

verrrry stressed

[south torrent]

Domina and D.mon

[odd slate]

her allegiance is to emre, not talon or overwatch

[languid nacelle]

oh right

[olive glen]

She’s gonna get fed up, you’re not a bounty hunter if you don’t have morals

[civic lynx]

Also sierra’s gun is completely different from spotlight to reveal so really all of the heroes could have a different gun in the spotlight silhouettes

[odd slate]

she keeps him in check and that's all she cares about

[vocal marsh]

Well in Talon most people had their own agendas, Sombra was mainly there to use Talon’s resources for her own research

Freja is there because of Emre

She would not join otherwise

[potent briar]

Moira was mostly there for research funding iirc

[vocal marsh]

Yeah

Sigma is not there by choice

[languid nacelle]

mauga thinks its fun and gets to fight ppl

[olive glen]

yeah, but under ven it’s more of a closed loop. If Freja is there for Emre then she’s not there for what he is right now. She wants him back, and he isn’t quite here

[potent briar]

Mauga is there because f*** it

[vocal marsh]

Reaper hunts OW agents

[potent briar]

i don’t remember if this server cares about profanity

[vocal marsh]

She’s there to try to protect him

[languid nacelle]

i think frey wants to seperate em from chernabog

[potent briar]

That is gonna be a challenge fs

[languid nacelle]

amd maybe needs moira and sombra to do it

[civic lynx]

now that Emre managed to get that briefcase I assume this lore drop is coming within the next week

[potent briar]

Where was that image??

[south torrent]

Moria lore

Peak

[vocal marsh]

Is the Lore tab still missing a video

[civic lynx]

Leaked by blizzard a week ago when they accidentally added it too early

[potent briar]

We love our evil irish scientist

[civic lynx]

Missing 2

[south torrent]

Lowk sick of everything getting leaked tho

[vocal marsh]

Well one is the Sierra video

[potent briar]

Fr tbh

[languid nacelle]

lol we knew sierra a week ago

[potent briar]

I saw someone leak parts of the silhouette heroes' kits

[vocal marsh]

Iirc Mizuki was never even speculated

[civic lynx]

In the image progress is the second to last story

[potent briar]

Not gonna say anything tho

[south torrent]

Because of leaks

[civic lynx]

So the last one is either sierra’s comic or vendetta bombin Gibraltar

[odd slate]

likely bombin gibralter

so sierra's comic can launch s2

[languid nacelle]

isnt that what the webtoon is for though?

gibraltar?

[vocal marsh]

Yeah

Although it’s really slow

[potent briar]

Yeah out of the 5 heroes, him and Jetpack Cat were the most surprising bc no one had any info/hints about either of them

[civic lynx]

This Winston clip from spotlight is very likely part of a full cinematic imo

[languid nacelle]

it is webtoon

[vocal marsh]

Jetpack Cat was at least a joke before

[potent briar]

Anran was revealed to be invited to Overwatch in the Wuyang cinematic and Emre and Domina were teased in animations/comics right before the season dropped

[potent briar]

True

[languid nacelle]

yeah

[potent briar]

I've seen enough. Give us Mama Hong.

[vocal marsh]

Domina was in the Vendetta short story

[south torrent]

Please no 😭

[civic lynx]

Mama hong is a racist stereotype her ass is never seeing the light of day

😭

[south torrent]

^

[languid nacelle]

hahahaaa

[potent briar]

Ok fair

[vocal marsh]

As an Asian I would love to see her throw explosive slippers

[odd slate]

LMFAO

any ethnic person ever

[languid nacelle]

good god pls no

[odd slate]

fear the chancla

[civic lynx]

The whole reason they deleted her is bc she caused major controversy over such an offensive character being in the game

[languid nacelle]

la chancla

[civic lynx]

Also this just… doesn’t really fit ow today

[vocal marsh]

“Manslaughter”

[potent briar]

No matter the culture/heritage, every one fears a freshly thrown slipper

[south torrent]

Agreed

[languid nacelle]

yeah

[potent briar]

Yeaaaah you got a point

[odd slate]

the way we only see "manslaughter" is kinda funny

[civic lynx]

the manslaughter ability was most likely very violent same as the other cancelled heroes

[odd slate]

a hero with curlers in would be pretty funny though

[vocal marsh]

It makes it look like she’s part of the Chinese mob

[civic lynx]

OW1 was originally going to be much more violent with attacks

But they eventually toned it down

[odd slate]

she was based off the landlady from kung fu hustle i think

[potent briar]

She would need an entirely new visual rework to be even slightly considered

[potent briar]

She definitely was

[languid nacelle]

she would definitely rule the hashimotos

[vocal marsh]

She’s Chinese

[potent briar]

The Hashimoto are Japanese…

[languid nacelle]

oh right lol

[civic lynx]

Eg: Winston’s “pound” ability

[potent briar]

I was about to say 😭

[odd slate]

WINSTON WITH A SHOTGUN

PLEASEEE

bro leaping around taking potshots from up in the sky

[vocal marsh]

Monke

[odd slate]

monke would be even funnier

[potent briar]

Jesus that slam 😭

[languid nacelle]

sup reaper? bang bang

[odd slate]

i do wonder though if there's enough concept art of the original intention to make a rough "concept game" with these original abilities

that could be a cool thought experiment

[potent briar]

Bro hit him with the batista bomb

[civic lynx]

Winston’s electric cannon we all know and love seemingly was originally for this hero

[languid nacelle]

woah

[south torrent]

EMP pulse

[potent briar]

Wasn’t Hivemind name dropped in a overwatch book with Rein?

[south torrent]

Sombra

[civic lynx]

I think so

Same as the scrapped hero wildbeeste

They do exist in lore

[potent briar]

Like it was his last mission before being forced to resign by higher-ups

[civic lynx]

But we never see them

[potent briar]

I forgot about that design

[odd slate]

reinhart but make him antelope themed

that skull helm is amazing tho

[south torrent]

That’s so peak

[languid nacelle]

helio -> briggitte

?

[civic lynx]

Yes

[potent briar]

I want more African themed heroes this is peak

[civic lynx]

Most of these are heroes we have today just with an old design

Rumble = bastion, huntress = Freja, phreak = hazard, iris = echo etc

[potent briar]

Doom and Orisa are two of my favorites in the roster

[odd slate]

ironclad 😭

angelica, i love you mercy

[potent briar]

Yetzi 💀

[odd slate]

HANZO HAHAHAHA

[civic lynx]

Yetzi and frost most likely got merged into Mei

[languid nacelle]

"hanzo"

[odd slate]

troy 😭

[potent briar]

WHY IS ONE OF THE ABILITIES AT THE TOP JUST “STEEL PIPE" WAIT 😂

[civic lynx]

Hanzo and genji were one hero

[odd slate]

and beam smash

[south torrent]

Brit 💔

[languid nacelle]

that sounds awesome

[odd slate]

genji was originally femme?

or some assassin was?

[south torrent]

Yes

[potent briar]

Yeah the design looked cool tbh

[languid nacelle]

oh you right

[civic lynx]

That design is the project titan class just with a name pretty much

[potent briar]

basically Genji with a bow but still-

[civic lynx]

They changed to a man very soon after

[odd slate]

to the genji we know and love

[languid nacelle]

there is a hero named phreak

[civic lynx]

Became hazard

[languid nacelle]

yeahhh

[civic lynx]

His faction (phreaks) was named as a nod to the concept

[languid nacelle]

ohhhhh

[odd slate]

ow concept art goes nutty

[languid nacelle]

pharah is mercy hahaha

[civic lynx]

The hero concepts are genuinely amazing

I have a google drive with all the concept arts I’ve found so far

[languid nacelle]

did rumble become bastion?

[civic lynx]

Most likely

[odd slate]

awh dude if you could share that that'd be baller
im a sucker for good concept art

[civic lynx]

Siege mode = his original turret form with the 1000 hp shield

[odd slate]

im sure there will be more coming up with sierra n whatnot

[civic lynx]

Sentry mode = moving around

The energy bolt was probably just entirely canned

Or same as hivemind rolled into Winston’s kit

[languid nacelle]

yeah too op

yeah that too

[civic lynx]

I believe this is the earliest roster we have

[languid nacelle]

reaper hasnt changed much

[civic lynx]

We’ve never seen any of these hero concepts reappear like wildebeeste and hivemind tho

[south torrent]

I remember when mercy was almost a male

[odd slate]

spec ops being so stealthy they dont have art

[civic lynx]

The male was actually only in 1 idea

Mercy was almost this

[south torrent]

Dps mercy 😭

[digital star]

like a buff black guy even

[south torrent]

Yes

[languid nacelle]

neon genesis

[civic lynx]

Juggernaut actually may have technically re-appeared as the talon heavy agent we see in retribution/storm rising but with 2 guns

[languid nacelle]

i have a frind who can do more damage with mercy than i can with mauga, so it all depends.a support can be a dps if your good enough

[digital star]

Mercy in Mirrorwatch and some April Fools modes are kinda like that

[south torrent]

Crazy how much she changed

[south torrent]

Wait what 😭

[languid nacelle]

ikr?

he never touches grass

[south torrent]

How even

One of you gotta be trolling 😭

[languid nacelle]

i wish i had saved a screenshot

[digital star]

Just have the current April Fools Mercy with her staff replaced by another pistol so she can dual wield them then she can easily fit DPS

[languid nacelle]

tracer mercy

[south torrent]

Oh I was assuming this was base game

[digital star]

A flying Tracer even

[languid nacelle]

it is

[south torrent]

Oh 😭

[languid nacelle]

i do have like a small fraction of the time as him but still. it hurts a little

[digital star]

Anyways, having seen the Sierra trailer

[crisp canyon]

All that theorizing just for her to be American 😭😭😭

[south torrent]

What a let down

[languid nacelle]

she should be pretty fun to play at least

[civic lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

[digital star]

Helix Security seems to really lose a lot

[civic lynx]

Bc they’re neutral ig

[south torrent]

Yes

[civic lynx]

They’re basically just a punching bag for whoever they’re against

😭

[languid nacelle]

haha cri

[south torrent]

Widow about to have a interaction with her trash talking her like she does to Ana

[civic lynx]

If Sierra is ever meant to win against someone they’ll make the opposition (talon?) useless

Also her key art image is never referenced in today’s trailer so I assume it’s for her comic?

[digital star]

Helix Security really isn't beating the loser squad allegations (or anyone really, except for civilian casualties) 😭

[crisp canyon]

Did it seem like she also had a dialect like southern when she spoke to anyone else?

[languid nacelle]

a southerner?

alabama, north/south carolina florida etc.

[south torrent]

I kinda hear an accent she just sounds American to me tho tbh

[languid nacelle]

louisiana?

[crisp canyon]

Happy there’s finally another black woman tho

[civic lynx]

The grand mesa base is probably somewhere around here

[south torrent]

Like some words she has an accent on

[civic lynx]

So Sierra could be from any of those surrounding states

[digital star]

I was hoping she'd be Moroccan, we could use a lot more Africa representation

[civic lynx]

I thought the Barbados theory bc of her drone was pretty likely

But ig not

[crisp canyon]

She’s African American at least

[south torrent]

Yayy

[languid nacelle]

i guess no connections to the deep sea raiders like i thought then

[meager geyser]

Barbados would be so cool

[civic lynx]

Also are they like ever gonna give aatlis lore relevance 😭

[digital star]

Sojourn and Baptiste are technically African American too

[civic lynx]

I did like the Moroccan Sierra theory so she could be from aatlis

[languid nacelle]

why cant we have emre scarf shield in game though?😭

[meager geyser]

Her beret really made me believe that, idk why tho

[meager geyser]

Like that's ever gonna happen

[civic lynx]

I believed it after someone pointed out the drone is similar to the flying fish (Barbados national animal)

[digital star]

Also are there any Indigenous American heroes aside from Illari?

[meager geyser]

Fara is half indigenous

[odd slate]

i dont think she is

there's been some debate over that and some backpedaling last i heard

[meager geyser]

Her dad is native American

I think

[languid nacelle]

i think torb rein and brig are right?

[odd slate]

there was a discussion about it here at least over the relevancy of one of the skins

and whether it was a good idea to make it

[south torrent]

They’re Swedish rein is German

[languid nacelle]

yeah

[trail condor]

Illari is Peruvian

[meager geyser]

You missed the joke bro...

[south torrent]

Oh 😭

[meager geyser]

Yeah, so native to the Americas

[crisp canyon]

Everytime we talk ab that it goes nowhere cause of someone….

[odd slate]

[languid nacelle]

true that

[odd slate]

point is idk if she is native american too

[crisp canyon]

Tried explaining this in general a couple weeks ago, and ppl treated me like I was in an asylum

[odd slate]

if she is i dont really know that much abt it bc her egyptian heritage is far more emphasized due to her relationship with her mom

[digital star]

Yep

[languid nacelle]

every channel on this server is like its own micro-climate haha

[crisp canyon]

Exactly

[broken eagle]

I noticed that after emre blocks the bullets with the scarf then the eye is not fully orange

[odd slate]

im not saying she can't be native american, but at the same time if she is intended to be native american then some worldbuilding effort should be placed there

[languid nacelle]

a power sap on ghernabog perhaps

[odd slate]

so it's not just a "oh yeah by the way she happens to be biracial but it's never gonna be touched on again"

i think that would solve a lot of issues

[crisp canyon]

Which is basically what blizzard has done

[south torrent]

Her dad is rarely mentioned

[languid nacelle]

dont ppl think its jack?

[south torrent]

I would hope not

[crisp canyon]

Shoutout Overwatch they introduce a native man in lore and he’s a deadbeat that makes his baby mom raise their kid

[broken eagle]

And when chernobog is floating but he didnt fully took over there is something on top left

[south torrent]

That’s a gay man 😭

[crisp canyon]

No one thinks this

[languid nacelle]

f thats right

i only learned that AFTER i decided to be s76 one haloween

[potent briar]

He already had a man back then 😭

[odd slate]

nah, no way

jack doesn't like women and he was with someone already

im not sure why they'd think it'd be jack

[potent briar]

Ppl who don't know the lore

[odd slate]

not to mention he's not the right ethnicity if her dad is native american

her father will likely be an unnamed person unless he's mentioned in passing in a pharah comic

which is unlikely

[south torrent]

Isn’t his name like Sam or something

[potent briar]

Not to mention the fact that pharah has two native american themed skins

[crisp canyon]

He has a name ig

[potent briar]

Sam English

[civic lynx]

https://fixupx.com/mushroomiiee/status/2041916407433113809?s=46

Shroomiiee (@mushroomiiee)

The vault Emre raided was called the Naughton Vault, assumedly named after Victoria Naughton- the creator of the soldier enhancement program (SEP)
︀︀
︀︀Seems vendetta or moira wants to make more super soldiers like 76 and Reaper!

**💬 10 🔁 116 ❤️ 1.5K 👁️ 19.7K **

FixupX · Apr 8, 2026, 4:29 PM

[south torrent]

Omg I remembered that 😭

[potent briar]

His surname is deadass just English 😭

[south torrent]

I’m genuinely surprised I remembered his name 😭

Hes like never mentioned

[potent briar]

Fr

[south torrent]

WHAT

[potent briar]

Thank god Fareeha took Ana’s last name

[south torrent]

Not again 😭

[potent briar]

Oh yeah my friend shown me that earlier

[civic lynx]

She’s fuckin about with that serum me thinks

[potent briar]

That's gonna be an issue when Moira gets that

[odd slate]

always

[potent briar]

She’s about to experiment on the Deadlocks and Hashimotos

[crisp canyon]

And when hero 56 is a mutant tank super soldier

[south torrent]

Watch it be sigma 😭

[potent briar]

He about to go from Sigma to Sentry rq

[civic lynx]

Sombra will be working double time to get sigma out of talon once she finds out moira has that 😭

[shrewd pivot]

Is Sierra confirmed African American? I don't think anything is confirmed yet iirc? but it's a good guess imo

Her face is different in the cinematic (idk why the concept art gave her such a tiny nose :/ )

She's southern USA accent but idk, I want worldbuilding to see other countries in overwatch so it would be a bit underwhelming if its like an Ashe situation, only USA, we have so many USA heroes already. I hope Sierra maybe has lines in a language besides English? The powder keg text kind of made it out like Sierra might have been an international employee addition to the Grand Mesa facility but maybe not

Also, Sierra showing midriff makes zero sense, she's not a sniper. She is active in the fight, she should have had torso armor, she's a non augmented human as far as we can tell. :(

I do think the animation looked cool tho, and I like Sierra's hair design in the cinematic. Also Emre's existence is revealed to overwatch now presumably.

[potent briar]

Her accent was giving Louisiana to me

[crisp canyon]

Maybe it was just me but her hair looked Afro textured in the cinematic and her lips and nose were bigger

[south torrent]

I do hope she’s speak another language other than English

[potent briar]

I think she is Black

[digital star]

Maybe that mutant turtle monster that people assumed Hazard was going to be?

[south torrent]

Chances aren’t looking too good tho

[peak escarp]

he showed up in both Christmas comics

[potent briar]

Which is a huge w bc this game really needs more black characters

[crisp canyon]

This unfortunately means little

[south torrent]

Definitely

Too bad they all get no cosmetics

[crisp canyon]

Creole if she’s from the south

[digital star]

They showed an icon of it by accident while showing off Venture and Juno

[potent briar]

Yeah that ended up being Hazard

[south torrent]

Ooooo that would be cool

[potent briar]

Pleeeease let her be Creole

[civic lynx]

Tbh the original hazard doesnt even look mutated he’s just big and greedy

[runic mauve]

Wasn't reinhardt supposed to be her dad but due to a controversy with her native American skins they just slid in the fact she has a native dad?

[crisp canyon]

This was a reference/hint to the phreak from titan I think

[peak escarp]

no

[potent briar]

Where was that said??

[crisp canyon]

Nothing suggest rein to be her father

[south torrent]

No where because that’s not true

[civic lynx]

Correct, the green theming was also part of his “spiker” concept

[peak escarp]

that was a myth spread by the community

[digital star]

Ah I see

[runic mauve]

a little birdie told me

Jokes aside i forgot where I heard it im not sure its true

[potent briar]

I figured because huh??? 😭

[south torrent]

It’s definitely not true 😭

[civic lynx]

This concept also doesn’t really fit the idea of some monster moira could make he’s just comically big for the sake of being big

[potent briar]

Victim of misinformation

[runic mauve]

🤷‍♂️

[shrewd pivot]

Pharah is canonically biracial, Sam English is First Nations Coastal Salish, and Ana Amari is Egyptian.

Imo Pharah's rep could have been handled a lot better

[potent briar]

Yeah her va isn't helping either

[runic mauve]

the reasoning i heard was that reinhardts rare skins were named after metals and anas rare skins were named after gems (i think?) and half of pharahs are metals and the other half gemstone

[runic mauve]

way better - speaking as a Palestinian

[south torrent]

Her va cooked the character icl

[runic mauve]

kinda disappointed that she doesn't speak any arabic at all

[potent briar]

I just wanna know why she was even given the role anyway

[crisp canyon]

If we can change anran we can change Pharahs voice

[potent briar]

That is a white lady voicing an arab/inidgenous woman

😭

[shrewd pivot]

As for Sierra, USA Creole would be nice to see

[runic mauve]

seems like they didnt care too much about having the va speak the language in the early ages of the game (reinhardt va as well)

[civic lynx]

I mean at this point we’ve known Pharah’s va is… controversial to say the absolute least for a while and blizzard have shown no sign of caring

[runic mauve]

a white (something which I dont think would be allowed to talk about here) woman

[odd slate]

i wonder if juno's gonna get vietnamese lines

apparently why she doesn't is bc the va doesn't speak vietnamese

[runic mauve]

she has a Vietnamese hello?

[south torrent]

She does

[crisp canyon]

Better yet let’s just remove Pharah

[odd slate]

no no i mean full vietnamese lines

[south torrent]

Her va speaks Vietnamese

[odd slate]

not just "hello," "goodbye," etc

[potent briar]

She has two vietnamese lines iirc

[digital star]

If they're gonna make a mutant soldier, I hope they really lean into the mutant theming, like shapeshifting body parts into weapons like the Prototype games

[shrewd pivot]

Not true, The VA does, and Juno was made part Vietnamese bc of the VA.

[crisp canyon]

We deserve a true viet hero

[south torrent]

She’s not fluent tho she had to get her from her mom when recording the 2 lines she has

[odd slate]

yeah that's what i meant

[potent briar]

It kinda makes sense because she was born on mars with not a lot of exposure to vietnamese language and culture

But i still wish they gave her more vietnamese lines

[odd slate]

like i wonder if she's been learning more of it to get more vietnamese lines

[south torrent]

Same

I’m surprised her enemy ult voice line wasn’t in Vietnamese

[civic lynx]

https://x.com/owcavalry/status/2041930395273314744?s=46

Overwatch Cavalry (@OWCavalry)

Welcome, @khayafraites — the voice of Sierra in #Overwatch 🎙️

X · Apr 8, 2026, 5:25 PM

[south torrent]

Omg the voice actor got revealed

YES

[digital star]

And hopefully not just something boring like sprinting, dashing, jumping high, kicking like Soldier, Sojourn, Baptiste, and Sierra do

[crisp canyon]

She’s black we all rejoiced

[potent briar]

Iirc her va isn’t fluent and had to ask her mother or grandmother if her lines were pronounced correctly

[south torrent]

AND WE CHEERED

[shrewd pivot]

Any VA that refuses to agknowledge war crimes existing shouldn't be voicing in overwatch regardless,
but yeah it makes me sad that overwatch has continued to value profit over decency :/

[meager geyser]

Juno larps as an alien by calling Mars her homeland and other humans "Therians"
I don't think she cares about her Vietnamese or Singaporean nationality

[potent briar]

YES

[south torrent]

Yep you’re right

[potent briar]

YESSSSS

[south torrent]

Ohh the va tea too

[odd slate]

"terrans have so many languages...i have decided to learn them all!"

[south torrent]

Let me follow her I got the rest of them followed

[odd slate]

the possibility is there

just thought it would be neat

[meager geyser]

Wait until you'll see how overwatch voice actors look like in other dubbings

[runic mauve]

Will she learn cat language though

[odd slate]

idk

[potent briar]

Yes

[south torrent]

She actually does

She adds it when the cat tries talking to her

[runic mauve]

how do you not know are you not the head lore writer

[potent briar]

Her and Fika are going to have an argument in Cat

Ope-

[odd slate]

bit too scatter brained for that i fear

can barely keep my oc's lore straight

[south torrent]

That’s too real 😭

[potent briar]

Same

[digital star]

She also voice acted in WoW and Diablo apparently

[south torrent]

Wow 3 blizzard games

[potent briar]

I be having whole lore updates with mine but in my head while I’m taking a walk or something

[south torrent]

Now the most exciting part is waiting for her interview with Sombra’s va

[odd slate]

real baha

[languid nacelle]

her and emmy inetractions gonna be wild

[potent briar]

She's gonna want a rematch after that 2v1

[languid nacelle]

yeah id think so

[south torrent]

Ugh she’s perfect

[runic mauve]

speaking of sombras va I cant be the only one who sees a SMALL physical resemblance between Sierra and raze

[potent briar]

I saw a little bit of resemblance

[south torrent]

YES

I SEE IT

HERE COMES THE PARTY

[potent briar]

She reminded me of a mixture of Raze, Jinx, and Cammy

[runic mauve]

(I am larping I am larping I am larping I have not played valorant at all btw)

[potent briar]

I have

I don't recommend it

[languid nacelle]

is larp fun?

[runic mauve]

very fun

I love larping during english class

[meager geyser]

Now I think about, Overwatch has so many different international dubbs. All other modern live service shooters only have one or two. It's honestly impressive.

[potent briar]

I've been called the f slur and heard edating weirdos way too much on that game

[languid nacelle]

i mean, i play dnd, so i guess i can try larping

[runic mauve]

I have full blown conversations with my teacher about George Orwell books and I have not read a single one

[potent briar]

I always wanted to play dnd

[shrewd pivot]

My thing is, if VAs actually put in the work to do accents correctly, it's not an issue. I don't think it's particularly bad if a VA checks with family to ensure correct pronouncing bc even if you ARE fluent, there are accents within areas. I def wish Juno had more Vietnamese lines tho 100%, and imo a part of the issue of designing a character without language in mind, is that the rep gets tacked on as voice lines instead of cultural integration into the design so it doesn't really feel properly done.

But yeah after all these years you would think ow would do better and not worse with Va rep. Illari's Quechua language rep is really awesome,
But Mauga's VA pronunciations of Samoan language are botched

Wuyang and Anran have accents not fitting of Chengdu

Emre's VA was directed to mispronounce Turkish lines to sound better to English ears like 🤦‍♂️

Can't they take the time to hire people that can actually VA the intended accents?

[meager geyser]

Yeah, but it's expensive 😔

[languid nacelle]

its really easy and dumb

that too

[potent briar]

True and true

[south torrent]

Lucio and Sombra’s va 😭

[potent briar]

When me and my online group meet we plan on doing a campaign

[languid nacelle]

me and the boys play pretty bare bones though. just dice and imaginations

[potent briar]

In like 5 years prolly 😭

[digital star]

DnD is mainly about having friends with a lot of time

[south torrent]

But yeah as a Chinese myself, Wuyang and Anran are not from Chendu 😭

[meager geyser]

If I wasn't a fan of this game for 8 years, I would never say that Lucio is Brazilian

[south torrent]

Exactly

And then they forced a Portuguese line and it’s butchered

[meager geyser]

It's funny because he was supposed to be Canadian at first

[potent briar]

Give this individual a true

[meager geyser]

Brazil was a last minute change

[digital star]

I guess that explains the hockey skin

[meager geyser]

That's why he's into hockey.... In the streets of Rio de Janeiro...

[languid nacelle]

street hockey is fun

and real

[meager geyser]

We're talking about ice hockey

[languid nacelle]

yeah but street hockey makes sense for rio

[meager geyser]

And ice hockey doesn't

[potent briar]

I don't think anyone said he played ice hockey tho

[languid nacelle]

so he doesnt nessecarily need ice to like hockey. plus dont they really like just evry sport?

[meager geyser]

Yeah valid

[potent briar]

Lucio has a lot of lines that reference a good amount of sports

Mostly futbol/soccer, hockey, and basketball

[languid nacelle]

theres a bunch of sports props on the rio map

[shrewd pivot]

iirc that wasn't confirmed, I think the thing was that he had concept art with hockey player looks iirc? Then they settled on the skates DJ thing

[languid nacelle]

a

[odd slate]

it's interesting, bc i think that the chinese and turkish sounds pretty good - though im not super spun up on different accents, so ofc that opinion will be a bit different. im also not a native speaker.

the fact other languages are being spoken at ALL in such a mainstream game is a pretty amazing win for me. sure, it's not perfect, but it's exposure. i find myself qupting rai sa-ra and daijoubu all the damn time bc of this game (and bc i stim like hell). sombra sounds pretty good as someone who is hispanic, and iirc the va is hispanic as well. different areas will have different dialects, which im sure also ties into this whole argument

ofc, that's not to say they couldn't do better - i think they want the representation but aren't thinking as deeply abt the accents. just my thoughts

[languid nacelle]

i often yell Se se'i toetiti behind my freinds to scare them to death with ptsd

[digital star]

Yeah I do appreciate that they're sincerely giving representation

[languid nacelle]

its super effective

[potent briar]

Yeah I always loved how diverse Overwatch is

[south torrent]

Well the problem with Sombra is it’s a Columbian women voicing a Mexican character

[potent briar]

It’s also why I liked playing Apex for a while

I still wish they had more hispanic/latin characters that weren’t Mexican

3 out of 5 of them are Mexican (Reaper, Venture, and Sombra) with Illari and Lucio being Peruvian and Brazilian

[shrewd pivot]

Sombra's accent is the "TV Mexican" accent in Spanish, not really an irl accent

Vendetta is the "TV Italian" accent which is Florence, not really Roman or even Sicilian

It's great exposure ofc, but I would hope the rep is "sounds nice for the speaker of the language" and not "sounds nice for the foreigners" bc things like tonal shift (Mandarin Chinese for example) and emphasis of vowels (Greek for example) can make certain languages legit unintelligible.

Like, you know the "GEE LIE GOOM EYE CAN DIE" meme? That's how Greek sounds if you mess up the vowel emphasis, and even worse, each vowel emphasis has a different word. Ie, Póte and Poté mean two different things.

[potent briar]

Like there are other Spanish speaking countries

[odd slate]

i know chinese is also really specific

[south torrent]

Yeah it is

[odd slate]

like i said, the rep they have is really great and im happy abt that

but things can always improve

[potent briar]

Oh absolutely

Sierra possibly being Creole is also a good improvement

[shrewd pivot]

And yeye,
Tho Zarya the og still has badly pronounced Russian so idk, I just hope they atleast get VAs not butchering languages 🥀

I am hype for Sierra!

[languid nacelle]

so whatever emre stole was being kept at 6 degrees (assuming farenheight)

[shrewd pivot]

Naughton vault, aka probably super soldier serum (super soldier like Soldier76)

[languid nacelle]

true.

[potent briar]

We about to get US Agent in the game oh nah

[languid nacelle]

still, neat little detail

senator armstrong as a tank role

[brittle sky]

I mean, naughton archive is likely just the one thing

[potent briar]

Pretty sure most medicine/drugs have to be kept at a certain temperature

[odd slate]

yess sierra creole

teehee

[languid nacelle]

like the dna whatshisname stole from jurrasic park. (nelson?)

[odd slate]

nedry

dennis nedry

[languid nacelle]

ah yeah

[brittle sky]

super soldier serum

It's named after the super soldier serum lady

it's the super soldier serum

[languid nacelle]

yes

[tawdry shore]

Overwatch seems to good at keeping things together, do y’all think Overwatch could’ve handled E-Day/The Locust war

[brittle sky]

I mean, they're 1/2 (and in this iteration 0/1) for 'stopping widespread invasions'

[tawdry shore]

My guess is E-Day: Hell no
The Locust War: probably

Not because they suck but because E-Day was just insane

[meager geyser]

What's that?

[past copper]

Well. Back to the less then amazing animation. But certainly depicted the characters well

[tawdry shore]

An event from Gears of War

A sudden planet-wide invasion by the subterranean Locust species that killed 25% of humanity in 26 hours

[spare fox]

Khaya Fraites is her VA

[south torrent]

My goat

[spare fox]

oh wow she's the VA for Violet in Fourth Wing (I guess the audiobook) which is huge

she's done a lot of audiobooks praying for another OW novel

yeah not seeing anything about specific regions in her bio, so I think she's just going to be "standard" American/African American

[shrewd pivot]

Friend sent me Instagram screencap, VA confirmed Sierra is African American, with that confirmed, very happy to have another black woman on the roster,
I hope maybe there's USA Creole spoken for Sierra's voice lines or something multilingual

[brittle sky]

Be a female character from north america, get a novel about you.

[spare fox]

just the two of them... HoN is about Efi and Orisa

[brittle sky]

jus' saying, its a demo that gets a bunch of novels outta the cast

[shrewd pivot]

Jokes aside, Efi and Orisa where the first

I personally hope we get another novel, I just hope if its about Sierra it handles her identity better than Sojourn's novel :<

I am very curious about the tech Sierra uses

[frank lichen]

Is there any time frame on when sierras origin story drops

[shrewd pivot]

And im also confused on why Sierra's 2d art is how it is. Ig I will have to see the in game model, but the 2d art made her look like she had straight hair + small nose which :< not nice imo (iirc the style of mouths in the cell shaded style is different than in game for most heroes? But yeah her features are different) p sure that concept art will be used as 2d portrait in game...

[frank lichen]

If it does

[civic lynx]

We know she’s getting a motion comic but that’s about it in terms of lore drops that are confirmed

[shrewd pivot]

Not sure when exactly bc idr, but tomorrow is gameplay trailer!

[civic lynx]

The comic could be her origin or it could be showing what she does now that talon have taken the serum

[spare fox]

what are you on about? it's the same, just in motion in the cinematic

[shrewd pivot]

Her nose is not the same

Mouth is different too (but I think that's the cell shaded style)

[spare fox]

... it really isn't

[past copper]

You have to understand. The younger generation doesn't understand the diff between concept art and animation

[peak escarp]

looks the same to me

the angles are just different

[spare fox]

Gotta find the most innocuous things to be problematic

[peak escarp]

the animation was probably outsourced anyway

and we already have examples of outside studios getting heroes' looks wrong

[spare fox]

yeah but I don't see how this is "wrong" like, she's obv the same

it's not like the Anran situation

[past copper]

My point still stands. Hell. The younger gen don't even understand a figure of speech anymore

Like Doomfist saying "I could see the explosion from space"

They took that literally and ran with it

[peak escarp]

watching it again, I do hear a little bit of a Cajun accent

so at least she's from a region of the US that hasn't been represented yet

[shrewd pivot]

Not the same

[spare fox]

see that particular example, not buying it. Obv we know now he's not in space (wasn't) but the way he said it didn't sound like a figure of speech. Saying it hyperbolically, it'd be "they could see it from space/it could be seen from space" not "I could see it from space" possibly even "I could have seen it from space"

[shrewd pivot]

I am in my 20s and worked professionally in the animation industry. You are being passive aggressive and mean for no reason

[shrewd pivot]

Also passive aggressive. Her nose is legit not the same.

[spare fox]

oh man there's the passive aggressive card

[past copper]

And not saying I'm wrong either

[shrewd pivot]

Yes because you are being passive aggressive

[spare fox]

so?

[shrewd pivot]

Why are you mean? For what?

[past copper]

I'll be passive aggressive if you admit you're nitpicking

[spare fox]

that is the same nose

[spare fox]

why are you constantly nitpicking and sifting every tiny thing with the end goal of declaring it problematic?
Critiquing is fine but you're being annoyingly hypercritical and pedantic trying to find problems where there just aren't any

[shrewd pivot]

I cannot tell if you are trolling or what, so here:

The proportions are notably different.
Blue line is nose width
Green is upper lip
Red is eye tilt, also the nose bridges are different

These are differences.

Giving black women smaller noses in 2d art is not nice rep if the 3d model has a wider nose like the animation.

[south torrent]

[shrewd pivot]

"Nitpicking" about rep is called critique, it's not nitpicking

[past copper]

And being a professional in the animation industry is knowing how movement and shadowing works

Is just as important

[shrewd pivot]

Every time I point out a valid issue about art you have issues.

Do you think the Anran face change was necessary? If not, then you will call all my critiques nitpicking

[shrewd pivot]

Exactly, the 2d art depicts her with a smaller nose via the lighting, and movement within the animation is not in the screencap
The screen cap is not a squash or stretch, it is a front view

[peak escarp]

the 2d art came first, and was done by a Blizzard character artist

the 3d art was done by an outsourced atudio

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah and it will be used as a 2d portrait ingame

[peak escarp]

so the 3d art is irrelevant

[shrewd pivot]

Fine, ill wait until the 3d model in game releases

[past copper]

nitpicks over a 2d image with no movement whatsoever compared to something with actual animation

[shrewd pivot]

The screencap i took was not in movement, it was not a squash or stretch

[past copper]

Seriously. Anran's face was one thing. But crying wolf over a nose is just childish

[wise grotto]

This just looks like a art style thing with this character

The difference is so subtle and the comparison is from two different angles with different expressions and lighting and everything

[spare fox]

this isn't a valid issue!
I don't think the Anran face change was necessary but it didn't quite match the in-game model so the change was ok
"If not, then you will call all my critiques nitpicking" - what even is this logic???
that's why you're so annoying - you have such rigid monolithic thinking it's impossible to enjoy anything in this chat without you crying over how a couple pixels is somehow racist or "poor rep" it is

[shrewd pivot]

Crying wolf???
Black characters deserve to have the face features properly represented, and I even said Anran's face tweak didn't capture the eyes and nose shapes of the cinematic. Anran being left with a very small nose was disappointing, she should have had a nose shape tweak to make her look more related to Wuyang.

[shrewd pivot]

You have called me annoying, insufferable, and have been hostile to ppl talking about rep. I don't like to use personal insults but you are incredibly mean for no reason.

[past copper]

Of no. Call the marines. They got a character's nose wrong because of lighting and angles. Oh what a national tragedy

[spare fox]

coming from you... that means literally nothing lol

[past copper]

Look pal. In game, nobody is gonna care. They're more concerned with getting shot at by this hero and only that

[shrewd pivot]

You are mean and for what? I haven't done anything bigoted to warrant such crass behavior

[shrewd pivot]

Anran's face was legit changed because her features did not reflect her character what do you mean by this.

[past copper]

We aren't talking about Anran here pal. We are talking about the new hero you're nitpicking over a nose

[shrewd pivot]

Yes because her 2d art is going to be used as a 2d portrait in game

[wise grotto]

And every difference you pointed it is not only hard to notice without cross referencing
BUT different art styles and a different medium

[spare fox]

probably because being bigoted isn't what this is about? Is that literally all there is to you? There's bigots and heroes that point out how a characters' nose is a hair smaller in a totally different medium THAT'S RACIST! THINK OF THE BLACK PEOPLE Oh thank you kind keyboard warrior! Here's your prize!

[past copper]

At this point. This just tells me one thing about you. You're not a well known professional among any industry

[spare fox]

they did say worked...

[shrewd pivot]

My point spooky is that you are litterally bullying me for no reason. You think im annoying. I haven't done anything actually offensive or harmful like bigotry.

[shrewd pivot]

I reported irl predators and nothing was done so I quit the industry bc it was unsafe to work in. Really spooky? You are cruel

[spare fox]

why do you keep bringing up bigotry like it's the only thing that could possibly be wrong? read the room

[shrewd pivot]

I litterally couldn't be because the working conditions are unsafe but ok

[spare fox]

literally putting words in peoples' mouths

[swift trout]

We don’t we all take a chill pill before this spirals well out of control

[swift trout]

I want a mug like that

[shrewd pivot]

Because you acted bigoted against Malkk, haven't apologized, I have been cordial despite it, and yet you are bullying me for being "annoying" by pointing out actual facts about the art.

[spare fox]

again this is you 1000% putting words in peoples' mouths like you've always done

[shrewd pivot]

Im tired of the passive aggressive behavior

[past copper]

And think you are getting bullied JUST because people don't agree with your views? I don't think YOU can handle criticism pal

[shrewd pivot]

You are litterally bullying me right now

[past copper]

By disagreeing with you?

[shrewd pivot]

No, obviously not. For my observations that the nose is wider in the 3d animation, you are acting passive aggressive

[south torrent]

🥀

[spare fox]

I never acted bigoted against Malkk, that was literally the two of you double-teaming me and claiming I said things that I didn't even say and then getting mad when I pointed out I never said such a thing

[shrewd pivot]

Not true

[swift trout]

This is hardly the place to have a personal argument.

[past copper]

Literally nobody but you would bother to point that out. Nobody in game is gonna notice or care. They're focus is on playing her and playing against her

[shrewd pivot]

You will look at this and say it's the same thing, that's gaslighting

[spare fox]

that's not what gaslighting is

[shrewd pivot]

People do care about rep in games, overwatch wasfounded on charismatic characters People felt connected to

[past copper]

Hell. Next you'll point out the bad animation of heroes faces when they're eliminated in game smh

[shrewd pivot]

You are trolling

[spare fox]

that's not what trolling is

[shrewd pivot]

Why are you guys so mean? For what? Seriously.

[past copper]

Why do you have a problem over a NOSE? Absolutely nobody is gonna care!

[shrewd pivot]

Because depicting black characters with smaller noses than actual face isn't nice rep

[crisp canyon]

That pfp is so cute

[patent moth]

anran's whole face change was sparked over her nose being modeled incorrectly and frankly dehymanisingly

[past copper]

That's because her face looked too young, despite being the older sister

This on the other hand is over a picture being animated wrong

[spare fox]

what rep? is Sierra a monolith of all black people? Like, she looks like how she looks
PLUS I guarantee you if they gave her a big nose, you'd be crying about it being a stereotype and poor rep - I'd bet money on it! You always need to find something problematic in everything

[shrewd pivot]

Too young, not the same face shape, not big sister vibes, different nose shape entirely

[shrewd pivot]

I never said that. Depicting a black character's 2d art with a smaller nose than her actual 3d model is the concern Spooky.

You really like making it out like im overreacting over a litteral factual observation the nose is different

[past copper]

But I can guarantee. Nobody will give a crap over this new hero. In either comics, animation, or game

[shrewd pivot]

Many people do care

[past copper]

Take that fact and accept it

[swift trout]

Ultra, I’ve been in your present position several times and I’m gonna tell you it isn’t worth it to keep this going. You’re just driving yourself up a wall.

[spare fox]

her 2D art came first, why is the 2D art problematic yet when Anran's game model came out after the cinematic, it was the game model that was problematic?

[past copper]

YOU don't speak for all people! Jeez

[south torrent]

😭 ☠️

[shrewd pivot]

And why let bullies bully me to silence?

[spare fox]

because being an annoying keyboard warrior turns people off of actual discussion

[swift trout]

And stop yourself from getting any more worked up about this. Trust me, this isn’t getting anyone anywhere.

It’s not surrender, it’s taking a breather.

[shrewd pivot]

Spooky can you stop trolling.

2d Sierra art prior to cinematic and in game, I presume the in game model will have features similar to Sierra in cinematic

Anran had cinematic prior with different face, the in game looked nothing like Anran's cinematic nor personality as older sister

[shrewd pivot]

I'm not worked up I'm tired of people being mean and bullying for no reason.

[past copper]

Well. You can't say you didn't try

[crisp canyon]

…I did not “double team you” multiple ppl in here were discussing something ab the character we agreed on, u insisted we were just looking for a reason to be mad and be a victim, u chose to stand ten toes down on it and i offered personal thoughts and historical facts ab why i felt that way, all i did was reply to you no one was on a team.
But in both times ive tried to speak about it seemed u got unnecessarily upset ab it and in turn i got upset

[shrewd pivot]

It's not even a big deal to point out factual differences in 2d art to 3d model.

Spooky you take criticism of overwatch as a personal attack for whatever reason

[spare fox]

"Oh hey I want to discuss the new cinematic let's go to the discussion channel"
"she's bad rep her nose is smaller in the art Sierra is a bad representative of black characters because they don't care... etc etc etc"
That's literally what it's been like

[past copper]

You are literally the one taking it as a personal attack here

[swift trout]

Frustration blinds, Ultra. It makes the anger sneak up on you. Trust me, I’d know.

[shrewd pivot]

Nah I usually actually discuss things until people show true personalities.

[shrewd pivot]

Then block me? You have free will spooky.

If you don't like seeing it, don't engage

[spare fox]

the same applies to you with overwatch... you keep sifting through everything and any tiny grain of sand that's not just right you turn it into a problematic monolith to complain about

why are you engaging in such a problematic game, are you a bigot?

[past copper]

🙄SMH. This guy is gonna keep up this crap until either dying on this hill or getting silenced by mods

[shrewd pivot]

Overwatch is a special interest of mine and I genuinely enjoy the worldbuilding. I critique things I care about. Overwatch is not perfect. I think engaging with media while discussing the cool stuff and the cons is fine.

[shrewd pivot]

You aren't funny for that question, you are being cruel for no reason.

[spare fox]

yeah I'm kinda done, this dude is going to keep nitpicking the stupidest things and getting the tourists all aflutter with buzzwords and whistles like there's some kind of twitter clout for it around here or something

[shrewd pivot]

I don't even use Twitter lol

You got upset I critiqued overwatch

Like at any time im chill to talk about something else

[odd slate]

why are we having an argument over a nose for a character that's not in game yet

[swift trout]

Let’s all agree to disagree and just drop it, okay?

[odd slate]

it does look different but we don't know what her actual model will look like

if there's something that's different or off with the actual model then that's something different

it's probably just a lighting issue

[swift trout]

And ultimately the model is what matters over concept art

[odd slate]

but getting nasty over this is frankly ridiculous 😭

[spare fox]

yup, I'm sure mad you critiqued overwatch
(now that is some passive aggressive sarcasm - I did you a favor and pointed it out for you)

[odd slate]

she's not even out yet

[shrewd pivot]

You do understand that this is mocking me for being disabled right. I have autism and miss social cues sometimes it's not something I control

[south torrent]

[odd slate]

ultra, buddy, i think it's best to just step away
this is going to keep going in circles

[shrewd pivot]

My concern is the fact the 2d art will be used as portrait art but yeah tomorrow we will see in game model

[crisp canyon]

How r u one tricking alr

[past copper]

Now you're offending ME. I have autism too pal, but I don't use to play a victim like you

[odd slate]

and if this ends up souring shit for you that would be a massive shame

[spare fox]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-9646983534577797493

[odd slate]

it could still change. we don't know

[south torrent]

I called her before anyone else could

[odd slate]

there's so much about her we don't know

[south torrent]

I haven’t even played the game in like 2 weeks I’m waiting for the new season 😭

[crisp canyon]

Ahh

[odd slate]

it's gonna be goooooodddd

im excited for map reworks

[south torrent]

Real

[swift trout]

Antarctic Peninsula my beloved

[odd slate]

jaja

i keep forgetting about it but like

it's gonna be baller

[shrewd pivot]

Every person on the spectrum has different severity of symptoms, im not playing victim, Spooky is being passive aggressive about me specifically needing tone indicators sometimes. :/

I type slow so this will be my last comment on the topic. Please learn kindness

[shrewd pivot]

Same

[south torrent]

[shrewd pivot]

Im hype to see Antarctica rework

[twilit patrol]

I remember when they released Antarctica in s3 I liked it but idk why I don't like it anymore

[shrewd pivot]

I am curious to what the rework will be for next season, if its Antarctica or another map?

[spare fox]

I don't really get the hate so much, I mean it's not my fav. I guess it feels like there is A LOT of space between the spawns and the points and not only that but it's not well-used space?

that's just my guess though

[swift trout]

It does feel quite a lot slower to get into than other maps

[past copper]

🤨 You are making everyone with autism look like a whiny child as a whole by using it as an excuse.

Don't use it as an excuse again. It makes everyone with it look bad as a whole. That's my final say on the matter

[south torrent]

[odd slate]

maybe that's what it was?

idk

it's been such a long time i can't recall much about it

[past copper]

Anyway. She's gonna be a mix of Widowmaker, Sombra, and possibly Genji/Hanzo/Kiriko/Hazard

[spare fox]

Honestly I think that's the same reason flashpoint is so hated - people don't like to spend gametime in a walking simulator

[past copper]

||Probably her ult is that tracking shots||

[civic lynx]

Based on the leaked kit ||the tracking is her secondary fire ||

[spare fox]

and if you're in QP and your team can't group up then it's like, come back from spawn, two of your teammates die on the point, you stop, the enemy picks you, back to spawn, repeat

[civic lynx]

Her ult is ||hazard’s but it’s just bombing a line in front of her instead of stunning ||

[odd slate]

the ||tracked stuff|| is gonna be nutty

curious to see how it functions

[civic lynx]

The leaks say|| she fires a tracking dart (like she does to Emre) and then for a period of time every shot will be locked onto the target ||

[odd slate]

yea

[civic lynx]

They didn’t specify if things like Suzu and LW’s grip now that it can cleanse will get rid of it

[past copper]

A mix of Sombra and Juno

[odd slate]

i mean the really technical stuff in the hero screen

hero info

[past copper]

Seeing the target through walls like Sombra and having the targeting capacity of Juno's torpedoes

That's gonna be a pain in the ass

But hope it counters the hell outta Cat

[odd slate]

just gotta adapt, but at least its not 5 new heroes at once

[south torrent]

Real

[past copper]

Speaking of. Blizzard you guys gotta have a height limit to that cat. I've seen a number of hitscans target that mf

And struggle like nobody's business

I've seen Widowmaker's fail to target that thing

[spare fox]

yeah I think having JPC release in a 5-hero release drop was experimental and strategic

[civic lynx]

Sierra’s VA has confirmed the hero is from southern America

[odd slate]

venezuela?

or virginia

virginia never mind

[civic lynx]

😭

[odd slate]

misread it

[past copper]

I mean. They have a limit on Pharah, Echo, and D.Va

They need to include one to the cat

[spare fox]

agreed, agreed, trust me

[past copper]

Because that's honestly the most broken support in game right now

[odd slate]

read "south america" and not "southern America" and thought i was tweaking when i read VA bc that's virginia 😭

ugh

movement wise at least

[south torrent]

Can’t wait to hear her ult voice line

[odd slate]

there are some good combos

[spare fox]

along with the endless free flight... I get JPC on my team that will do a match with 450 damage, 900 healing but only 2 deaths like

WYD

GET OVER HERE

[odd slate]

vibing

ig

[spare fox]

I mean, typical cat behavior

[past copper]

I'm not saying take away the endless flight. But considering the cat makes it unfun and force players to have to play a hitscan, might be best to put a fuel limit on the height

[odd slate]

they're working towards that i think?

fuel limits at least

uhhh what was i gonna say

oh yeah its hard considering that the cat can peek in little areas other heros cant get

the potshots are annoying

[past copper]

They really should. Not even Mercy ult is that impossible to deal with

[spare fox]

I really think that'd be fair giving the cat a limit on height/distance

[odd slate]

mercy does, pharah does, makes sense the cat would too

finally give zenyatta float as part of his base kit

[past copper]

But the cat had 0 limit to how far it can fly or how high it can go. And considering they nerfed the distance of a number of hitscans, that's not good

[spare fox]

and is it just me, or does anyone notice in their games with cat that players are utilizing the tow-line much, much less?

like they've forgotten it's a part of the kit?

anyway... we should probably mosey this talk back to the lore

[odd slate]

ive had a few good cats that actually use the line to get supps (me) and dps out of bad spots

which is good

[past copper]

Because it's a dumb ability. Players don't wanna get dragged into enemy fire

[spare fox]

lol flashbacks to Jeff, "they say they want it, but they really don't"

[past copper]

Yea. It looked good on paper. But when you got enemies that can take you out while the cat toes you into their line of sight...

[odd slate]

speaking of cat again

i do wonder if she's gonna be revealed to be some special case of animal

[spare fox]

I kind of hope not

[odd slate]

not lunar base, perhaps, but a regular cat can't control a jetpack the way fika can

there's something there, has to be

[spare fox]

I kind of hope the only lore significance Fika has is that she might belong to a former OW member who was stationed at Gibraltar

[odd slate]

how would she have the intelligence to pilot the jetpack though

that's what makes a silly joke character kind of

[spare fox]

it's not that deep

[odd slate]

yknow, not entirely a joke due to her lore ramifications

[odd slate]

keep in mind in lore she has to know how to analyze a situation well enough to maneuver a battlefield; know how to control all of her weapons and thrust; know which characters would need pickup over others, as i'd hope there would be some smarter choices made in lore

all of that together isn't something a regular cat can do

[civic lynx]

I mean they do ever so slightly imply intelligence with the line about her literally pushing the correct blueprint in front of brig

[odd slate]

that too

[spare fox]

yeahhhh but gameplay isn't 100% canon

[civic lynx]

She definitely isn’t as smart as Winston or ball

[odd slate]

no, i mean in lore of the games

[civic lynx]

But it wouldn’t be far fetched to guess she has higher intelligence than the usual animal

[odd slate]

not gameplay itself

the cat is meant to be deployed on the battlefield

[spare fox]

like Meka isn't going to keep sending Dva into fights if she's going to blow up her mech 41 times in one day

[odd slate]

i doubt brig gave her a jetpack with weapons for no reason

if there wasn't any weapon maybe

[spare fox]

yeah, I don't think the weapon part is necessarily "canon"

[civic lynx]

The website description seems to say brig gave fika the jetpack and weapons bc she felt ow needed all the help they could get

[odd slate]

which implies fika will be a fighter in lore

ergo

she has some sort of higher intelligence than a regular cat to be able to do all of this