lore-discussion

[peak escarp]

the same author did cookbooks for WoW, Game of Thrones and Elder Scrolls

[past copper]

Going out on a limb, each dish from the cook book is based off something from each heroes culture?

[peak escarp]

yes

from the author's blog:

I also went into a deep dive online to try and determine the best choices for each international location. That was HARD. There are so many incredible foods across the world, and it was a challenge to pick only a few, let alone adapt them to be approachable! So you have my apologies if I didn’t get to include one of your favorites, but I might still be cooking if they hadn’t cut me off! ;)

[digital linden]

i have the elder scrolls one - love the sweetrolls lol

[crisp canyon]

Pao de quejo is an immaculate pull for Lucio

[peak escarp]

those get a mention in The Hero of Numbani

“I think that’s pão de queijo,” Efi said, though the small round cheese breads did appear similar to puff puff. 
“I don’t care. Still delicious,” said Naade, crumbs tumbling out of his mouth as he spoke.```

the green room at Lucio's concert had an assortment of Afro-Brazilian food, which Efi notes as being very similar to Nigerian dishes she is familiar with

[crisp canyon]

Japchae for dva too is another great one and fairy bread for roadhog is pretty on brand. I would’ve probably chosen pikelets for Rat rather than what he has seems just kind of whatever imo but ig that could probably go on queen if they ever do that

Pavlova as well I feel like is pretty popular in Australia I’m suprised they put it under widow just for a ballet reference I’m assuming

[peak escarp]

yep

[crisp canyon]

I’m too invested in this now I need to make a list of food for the missing characters

[peak escarp]

I would be interested in that

[crisp canyon]

Is ball or sig the last hero added to this or did Miss echo?

[peak escarp]

Ashe is the last

no Bap, Sig or Echo

[dawn topaz]

Emre Kebab 🤤

[peak escarp]

ooh yeah

[dawn topaz]

Ramattra Grape Pie

[peak escarp]

lol

I wonder what they would do for Ramattra

Zen has Tibetan dishes that the Shambali monks make for human pilgrims

Bastion has a birdseed ball and Black Forest pretzels shaped like birds

[dawn topaz]

"I do not bake for myself, I never have"

Junker Queen would have like...a juicy steak or something

[peak escarp]

Echo's recipes would be Dr. Liao's favourites

[dawn topaz]

Echo would be the one to make the cookbook my copying all the recipes of everyone

She does have that cute spray of her with a laddle in the game

[peak escarp]

Juno's recipes could be interesting - maybe one from each parent

[silk gazelle]

Lf duo/friend 18+

[dawn topaz]

I think an Ube Cake Roll could work well for Juno, it's purple and swirly

[peak escarp]

ooh

JPC's recipes can just be cat treats

or a tuna-tini

[peak escarp]

carne adovada on rice, from the Overwatch Cookbook

on second thought, it is too spicy

some cream will help

[crisp canyon]

My wifi is starting to give now but I’m to kiri atm

[ancient hollow]

how far does emre scale in ow?

[robust owl]

AGONY IS GRAPE FLAVORED!

[crisp canyon]

I have finished the cookbook list 😴

I only did 1 dish for the missing heroes to make it easier except for Baptiste who I didn’t know had (a) confirmed dish(es) alr from a qna and I didn’t wanna go back lol there’s also no drinks just food, did my best to tie it into character personality and culture and see if anything in game was alr established and Echo and Sig both did everyone else was a matter of looking into the cultures

I did it in notes and it be too long to send everything, but if you would like to see I can send in dm or just ask for a character and I can ss

[peak escarp]

you can put it in a pastebin or google doc

[keen summit]

Id love that especially if they base it more on their countries too

[crisp canyon]

Wouldn’t my email be public then?

[peak escarp]

idk

[keen summit]

For sig as a Dutchie id say if they wanna make it typical dutch stampot would work but i doubt theyd go for that

Or ofcourse a fish dish

But i dont like fish

[crisp canyon]

I gave sig maatjesharing based on his spray in game that shows him enjoying it

[keen summit]

Works

It honestly is the best choice

[keen summit]

Are you versed in dutch food?

Cuz the reason why he eats it is cuz hes from the hague, where herring is a classic food. So him liking it fits

[crisp canyon]

Not really, anything eastern Europe or South Asian is pretty foreign to me everywhere else I feel like I’m probably familiar enough

[keen summit]

Haring, or herring, fits best because hes from the hague
Other dishes that work but maybe bit less are stampot or kapsalon
Stampot is a very classic dutch farmer dish, but fits sig less cuz hes a scientist
Kapsalon is from fastfood but is a very popular dish for normal people and shows the multicultural nature of the Netherlands

[crisp canyon]

Got it

[keen summit]

We have lots of snacks cuz of our signature "snackbars" but i think that doesnt really fit sigma

If id give advice, herring + stampot, herring as a side dish as the traditional way of making it being more of a snack rather than complete dish, stampot with Rookworst (as seen in a hema) is basically a national dish here and gives the veggies for the meal

[crisp canyon]

The choices I made range some have national dishes, others have lesser known or had historic significance and by the time I got to domina I started to realize how many dishes use onion and or tomato just trying to find something that didn’t, like Hazard I gave Cullen Sink vs Sojourn who I gave Poutine

[keen summit]

• its super nutritional as it mixes veggies, meat and fish, while just needing heating after being made so he could make it in his lab or maybe even in space

[crisp canyon]

I was just trying to not have it be all the same but still keep culture as the basis

[keen summit]

Yeah i getchu

But this is advice from a passionate dutchie

I wouldnt like it myself but this is the most dutch sigma fitting dish

So herring on the side with stampot is my advice in short

Ill send you some references in dma

Others I'm less versed in

Other well known dutch food things would fit more if we ever got a young dutchie more from Amsterdam, Rotterdam or central like Utrecht, with snackbars or multicultural foods, but sig doesnt strike me as someone who often visits snackbars

[civic lynx]

https://x.com/owcavalry/status/2038991935201739187?s=46

Overwatch Cavalry (@OWCavalry)

New #Overwatch Webcomic Series 🗯️

Overwatch: Undivided drops on @webtoonofficial later today, exploring the aftermath of Vendetta's attack and featuring many of the game's iconic heroes.

There will be 40 Episodes in total 📚

X · Mar 31, 2026, 2:48 PM

[digital linden]

omg

[median orchid]

Well thats one hell of a shadowdrop

[peak escarp]

hasn't dropped yet

probably at update time

[civic lynx]

It drops at 1am uk time

I think we might get the cinematic of vendetta attacking Gibraltar today

[crude dirge]

dont they know we are all illiterate?

[civic lynx]

Since the comic is focusing on what Overwatch does next

[civic lynx]

https://x.com/playoverwatch/status/2039009850277912908?s=46

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch)

Respectfully… y’all aren’t ready for this one 😮‍💨🔥

Join us Apr 8 at 9am PT for the premiere of our latest Hero Trailer as we kick off the next chapter in the Reign of Talon 💪

X · Mar 31, 2026, 4:00 PM

[shrewd pivot]

Huh, I did not expect the silhouette parts to be a jacket around the waist. I wonder what trope this character is playing off of?

[civic lynx]

I wonder what’s going on with her pink arm

I can’t tell if it’s just a pink sleeve or a cybernetic thing

[shrewd pivot]

yeah same

reminds me of sombra's arms

[civic lynx]

It kinda looks like there’s something in there

[shrewd pivot]

how so? :o

i see it as a reflective arm sleeve with lines for details

ngl the colors are rather clashing i wonder what she will be about

[civic lynx]

The faint lines near where the big black bit connecting to her normal arm kinda looks like.. a liquid bubble or some sort of attachment to me at least

[shrewd pivot]

def military bc of the dogtags and hat

ohhh maybe

i see it as line details on a sleeve, tho a bubble could be possible (i would have expected some shiny coloring if it were bubbles but maybe!!!)

I will def have to see how she looks in game bc the long braids look cool but very idk... the design doesn't really tell me what she is as a hero? besides the falconry and kind of generic looking weapon (tbf most military heroes have boring looking weapons) that reads as a long distance charge up gun or rail gun

I bet her VA will add a lot of character tho, they tend to do fairly decent with casting emotive VAs

[keen summit]

So who do we think it is

[spare fox]

I'm going to guess that she's from Aatlis

[keen summit]

I though cuz the barett of helix

[brittle sky]

helix lady. She's got a military beret, dog tags, and her top has what appears to be the helix logo:

[keen summit]

So my guess is probs right from back when we saw silhoettes

Nooo its deadlock i was told

[civic lynx]

I thought she would be helix as well but I got less confident the more people kept saying Frankie

[spare fox]

her hat reminds me of the Pokemon Diamond and Pearl trainers' hats

[keen summit]

True

[spare fox]

yeah, my guess is Helix from Aatlis

[shrewd pivot]

good catch! so this is the new helix leader hinted at in powder keg map probably?

[brittle sky]

the security chief they crowed about in the tablets, yeah

[shrewd pivot]

ye!

[brittle sky]

now why they put emphasis on their ability to meet (and exceed) all physical requirements idk - really doesn't seem like the security company in a future with extensive prominent female fighters (including the other rep we saw formerly of that faction) would have to say "don't worry guy girls can fight". Maybe they just wanted to have rote internal memo stuff, or maybe there's something else that would make her physical fitness dubious we don't yet know.

[shrewd pivot]

yeah maybe

i would hope it's not some "female fire fighter beating the physical requirements!" moment

she doesn't really read as like... "bad guy" imo bc her colors are bright and cheery, Helix is supposed to be army for hire mercs right?

[spare fox]

to me, it seemed more like they were hyping her up tbh

like "we are getting THE BEST of THE BEST guys so dont f this up"

that's the way it read to me

[shrewd pivot]

true that's possible.

I am wondering what the device on her hip is? maybe where the drone charges?

[brittle sky]

possible, though it uh... did not seem like competent hypemanship, though idk whether we put that in universe on helix or out of universe on the writers.

[shrewd pivot]

I am confused by the military outfit but then looooooooong braids tho. hopefully it's something unique in the animations :o

[real solar]

Yay a helix hero

[spare fox]

it seemed like professional hypemanship to me

[brittle sky]

they're meant to be the private company that stepped in on a lot of ow's security contracts. Definitely not portrayed as like, a better alternative, but we don't have a super extensive body of evidence they're horribly corrupt or negative.

Especially if she's being set up as the obstacle to the talon/deadlock heist

[real solar]

I hope she’s a new nationality

[shrewd pivot]

I would assume the group (Helix) being hired by oasis to enforce the oasis "minority report ai" that Hazard and the phreaks are fighting paints Helix as a not exactly good guy group

[brittle sky]

jokes's on you she's swedish

[real solar]

Bruh

[shrewd pivot]

It's a joke, no confirmed nationality yet

[real solar]

I know

[spare fox]

Japanese

[real solar]

No confirmed name yet i hope she’s called Ana 2

[brittle sky]

Sure, though the extent of what that looks like is pretty undersketched. They're just not as overtly cast as baddies as like oasis themselves (boo) or vishkar.

[brittle sky]

Anagain

[shrewd pivot]

yeye! i just mean for like, foreshadowing i see it as "Helix are an army for hire, that's... suspicious...."

I do hope she's a new country rep tho for sure

[brittle sky]

Unlike overwatch, which will escalate your hostage situations and catch civilians in the crossfire for free

[odd slate]

new hero...hmm

[brittle sky]

Hey, second new SWANA after 9 years of not touching that region for characters would be great.

[odd slate]

who's she gonna be with i wonder

[brittle sky]

Helix, most likely

has their logo on her shirt

[shrewd pivot]

Helix most likely bc of the icon,

[odd slate]

nice

dps?

id be surprised if not

[shrewd pivot]

DPS i think is confirmed, with a charge shot

[odd slate]

was not expecting that hair color lol

she feels street fighter

[shrewd pivot]

yeah, im guessing the drone is bright magenta pink so it's easy to see on screen

the colors kinda clash imo? but im sure there will be cool skins for this character

[odd slate]

girl is gonna step on her hair

hough

[shrewd pivot]

ikr lmao, ironically dressed as military with a tripable hair

[odd slate]

yuuup

[meager geyser]

More Japanese characters
The community will survive

[fallow mantle]

So for these new comics; we have to pay to view them? On a different site? And there are 40?

[odd slate]

super cool tho!! excited for release

[real solar]

Ugh I’m dreading the hashimoto hero in season 3

I’m not excited for dmon either but at least we only have one other Korean hero

[fallow mantle]

real! both

[odd slate]

more hashimoto lore will be cool

[meager geyser]

Cammy from Streat Fighter

[real solar]

I love mizuki but from the start it was like really we’re doing more Japanese heroes

[shrewd pivot]

speaking of, i am baffled why they choose webtoon... that is. NOT the kind of platform you want Teens to be making accounts for. Webtoon also screws over comic artists, it's not a good platform.
From my understanding, you have to make a free webtoon account to read the ow comics, and either wait for release or pay for early access to read the comics... aka they are monetizing thier comic releases

[meager geyser]

I'm personally not interested in Hashimoto or even Shimada lore. It was always just a background for personal story of Genji and Hanzo and honestly I'd like it stay that way

[spare fox]

they are only monitized if you want them early - or you can wait and it'll be free in a week

[odd slate]

kinda weird to see all the aversion to diverse heroes 🤨
we're not just getting japanese heroes, we're getting others we don't even know of yet

just feels icky

[fallow mantle]

I just think it's really weird to monetise the continuation of the story via a different comic website rather than...their own story site, and 40 of them? I was optimistic we'd get a continuation of the story via one of those slideshow shorts or comics but not uh, like THIS lol

[real solar]

There are new comics ? What’s this about ?

[shrewd pivot]

I think we need to explore worldbuilding in other areas that haven't even been touched before we deep dive into Japan lore, but eh... hopefully trenchcoat omnic will be cool

[shrewd pivot]

new comics announced

[brittle sky]

i mean that's most ecologies not tied to an immediate global crisis.

[real solar]

wtf

[odd slate]

im gonna retract myself from this convo as it feels weird now but yay new hero!

[real solar]

Surely they’re not dropping 40 at once

[opaque tundra]

Well to be fair, the PvE was a major story continuation and that was paid. Paying for lore isn’t really a new concept

[fallow mantle]

Idk if it's just me but I want more uh...different heroes? Not reusing the same nationality over and over again. And from a continent that isn't Asia; we've had so many of those in recent years. Another hero from the African continent would be cool. Someone from Spain would be cool!

[fallow mantle]

Yeah I did think about that but I more meant, it's via a different site thing

[real solar]

I was hoping the season 2 hero would be a numbani soldier given the overwatch move to there but nope

[opaque tundra]

Also Spain hero please I agree

[brittle sky]

i agree, though I would argue Europe is a more glutted continent than asia, even.

[meager geyser]

We just got three European heroes, so probably not any time soon

[shrewd pivot]

Oh the issue isn't with Japanese characters, it's with further lore about an area that has a ton of lore already, meanwhile Emre is the first SWANA hero in ages, entire parts of African continent and South American continent are untouched in lore

We def don't need any more USA heroes for example! I want to see cool worldbuilding, as as much as I like Mizuki lore, I think explorations into new areas would be fun too :)

[fallow mantle]

I getchu but I think someone worked out, [prior to the 5 hero release] that if Anran released it would've been six heroes from Asia in the last 3 years or something? I can't remember exactly what was said

[civic lynx]

https://fixupx.com/uniwatchow/status/2039021279710203965?s=46 I wonder if this prediction will be correct

Jetpack Uniwatch (@UniwatchOW)

The drone here resembles a Flying fish, even that was very clear from the sillouette. I think that suggests that this could be culturally relevant to the character
︀︀
︀︀And btw, the flying fish is the national animal of Barbados. Maybe she is from there

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FixupX · Mar 31, 2026, 4:45 PM

[meager geyser]

Emre is from Istambul, so he's probably from Europe

[wind wind]

whens her release date

[real solar]

That’s turkey

[civic lynx]

April 14th with season 2

[wind wind]

need to make sure to install overwatch back

[brittle sky]

domina is listed as being from london on the official site.

[shrewd pivot]

We have Portugal and Spain covered in lore, I myself am fine if we never get Spain, Greek, etc since we have Italy and Turkey

[civic lynx]

A hero reveal trailer will premiere on April 8th

[shrewd pivot]

Emre is Turkish, counts as SWANA

[odd slate]

people need to articulate that better. it's fine to want more worldbuilding, so do i, but to say "more japanese heroes? seriously?" feels so xenophobic and gross

if that's the lens for it though then yes i understand

[shrewd pivot]

fair! That's a very good point

[odd slate]

just need to be more thoughtful is all

[shrewd pivot]

That's a fair point, ty

[odd slate]

ofc

[brittle sky]

Turkey is both

[real solar]

I just don’t want more Japanese heroes because they love to milk them for 100000 skins

[meager geyser]

Istambul is a transcontinental city, closer culturally to Europe

[odd slate]

sure but don't say "really, more japanese heroes" bc then that sounds fucked up if you dont bother to explain yourself

[real solar]

I’m not racist I just don’t like their monitization habits

[odd slate]

don't buy those skins

vote with your wallet, as ive seen people say

[real solar]

I don’t but I can’t stop everyone else man

[odd slate]

just avoid it and move on

in the grand scheme of things we're getting new lore and new expansions and new frontiers

[meager geyser]

I don't but millions of Kirko mains do

[real solar]

Even if we do get cool new African heroes or something 50 more skins to kiri and genji

[odd slate]

whats funny is i wonder how many skins come from lootboxes as opposed to new skins

[real solar]

I’ve seen a billion 2b Kirikos that ain’t lootbox

[edgy meadow]

holy moly

[fallow mantle]

I wonder if my thought of 'Frankie infiltrated Helix' might be it lmao

[odd slate]

that skin's fucking ugly anyway

lmao

[edgy meadow]

40 episodes

[real solar]

Hi nymble

[edgy meadow]

actual lore real

[shrewd pivot]

Yeye, Toxin and Coarse, what i mean is that SWANA covers the cultural area, saying Turkey is Europe alone is geographical or political which isn't the rep I am referring to,
I was meaning SWANA rep as for the shared cultural space. Turkey is a LOT of things, especially throughout history, so I am hype for any new SWANA rep :)

[odd slate]

more middle east heros would be cool. wonder if the new girl will be from that area

[brittle sky]

(piggybacking, but not disagreeing here)
we have... 14 or so european countries repped, and insist that denmark and sweden are distinct enough cultures to get different rep. We can afford to go like 10 characters of the SWANA region, which has notably more people and just as many varied and distinct cultures. Right now Scandanavia, a place with 20 million people total, has the same rep rates of the... 600 million in the SWANA region.

[brittle sky]

Given helix's ties to morocco (Aatlis), it's speculated as one of the potential points of origin

[odd slate]

inch resting

[shrewd pivot]

the Barbados idea too is neat

[meager geyser]

Yeah, I also think that we have enough Europeans (even tho I'd like to see a character from my country)

[brittle sky]

would make for, I believe, the... 2nd least populous real world region to get a character?

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I'm fine if we never get a Greek hero atp bc the worldbuilding kind of suggests the general vibe

[brittle sky]

like not counting the moon or martian colony, Barbados (280,000) would only be beat out by Samoa (220,000)

[shrewd pivot]

Mauga is in comparitavely low population nationality too! I just want different parts of the world explored in lore (im greedy)
I wouldn't mind it being Morocco btw! just the Barbados idea is interesting too

[meager geyser]

I would be satisfied with a polish map. Gdańsk could be a great hybrid map.

[fallow mantle]

💯

[brittle sky]

I mean the west's blind spot fo eastern and central europe is nearly as bad as its blind spot for the whole global south, so if and when europe gets love I would love to see them hit places like poland, czechia, or the balkans rather than spain, greece, or whatever other easy refererent people go to.

[shrewd pivot]

huh. friend just showed that the silhouettes are different

[brittle sky]

I would expect they'll sneakily update the concept arts from what they posted at the start of the eyar

[soft carbon]

please don't lump us in with the Danes, we are nothing like those savages

[shrewd pivot]

be careful about server rules, even if it's a joke aha @soft carbon

[real solar]

Gimmie a Palestinian hero

[shrewd pivot]

I have a feeling they may ignore political hotspot areas, seeing as the Zarya lore has not been touched. I can't imagine certain SWANA countries will be represented

[real solar]

Literally anything from the Middle East

Do Jordan or something what controversy could that cause

[brittle sky]

I mean, what regions get the level of attention to distinguish ever more granular distinctions is a key thing there. We're bothering to say two swedes does not rep the danes, but if you're any of the 1.3 billion people among 40+ countries and the widest diversity of cultures and languages in the world in sub Saharan Africa, you better be content with one evil Nigerian or a robot from a fictional city representing you.

[meager geyser]

They even cancelled her new era skin, even tho there is rest of her set (like baner an pfp) in the battle pass 😭

[digital linden]

her gun changed quite a bit

[fallow mantle]

I am wearing that skin lol?

[meager geyser]

Really? I must had missed something

[soft carbon]

Just be glad we don't have a Norwegian hero yet, then you'd really see the diss tracks fly.

Us Swedes and and the Norway peeps have an entire chapter dedicated to each other in the national joke libraries.

[meager geyser]

Was it in the item shop?

[fallow mantle]

Yep! Blue, she's got black hair

Idk...

[brittle sky]

I mean, they did introduce a bold progressive vision of a country most the west thinks of a failed state in a perpetual state of war after a long and bloody invasion and a repressive state before that, both speaking to advances in science and tech while also doing a sick reference to the vastly under appreciated historic house of wisdom... But then the one playable character tied to them is an evil European, they got relegated to just bring a vaguely evil faction, and all plotlines of a good super science faction were relocated to a faction of libertarian seasteaders led by a Portuguese guy.

[shrewd pivot]

honestly i think making heroes that fit pulp fiction tropes told in different settings is to their strength, Baymax Yoruba Nigerian Orisa is really fun worldbuilding imo...
If I were to set it up for every year arc: atleast one new cultural area of the globe every year to fill out ow lore worldbuilding + focus in on already occurring heroes plotlines + a conspiracy thread

[meager geyser]

I'm very excited for the map in Iceland

[brittle sky]

I mean all things being equal, the people you will distinguish yourself the most from and subsequently dunk on are your neighbors. Just human nature.

[fallow mantle]

Doesn't say it is - just that I have it. No icon next to it lol

[shrewd pivot]

I think the Zarya skin was a stream drop?

[soft carbon]

Yep

[meager geyser]

I missed it? Damn ☹️

[crisp canyon]

Frankie’s Truthers we down 💔

[crisp canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/rihanna-fenty-navy-ellen-gif-gif-26833339

[odd slate]

SO I WASNT TWEAKING

i thought the og one was a bit different

[peak escarp]

it was a Twitch drop for watching the Spotlight live

[meager geyser]

Oh I watched it on YouTube

Sadly

[peak escarp]

I missed it because I was at work

I'll have to wait for it to get added to the loot box pool

[meager geyser]

In loot boxes we trust

I LOVE GAMBLING

[soft carbon]

All of my

[wheat talon]

Hewo guys can someone tell me if the new hero is someone that alr exists in the lore?

I saw the badge that says helix industries is she some sort of guard

Do we have her name

[peak escarp]

she might be the new Helix chief assigned to Watchpoint Grand Mesa

no name yet

[wheat talon]

Ooo oki ty

So she’s not mentioned / shown in the comics ?

[soft carbon]

Nope

[wheat talon]

Oh interesting

I’d assume they’d wanna pump out comic characters

[peak escarp]

nope, just mentioned on the Powderkeg Mine map

[soft carbon]

Helix was also Pharah's ol' crew at one point

IIRC

[peak escarp]

yep

[wheat talon]

Oh nice

Pharah has lowk been in the sidelines when t comes to lore so that’ll b interesting

Her whole guard thing is never rly brought up lol

[peak escarp]

hope she tells Pharah off for ditching Helix to join Overwatch

[wheat talon]

Wat if she’s an ex 😼

[soft carbon]

Time will tell if they served concurrently or if its Pharah-senpai

(That sounded cursed ngl)

[wheat talon]

Do we know anythin bout helix industries

[brittle sky]

I mean, I presume she's going to be age 23 tops, given the recent trends of hero releases.

[fallow mantle]

💀 stop it!

There I was thinking it may be Frankie-infiltrating-Helix, because the description of Frankie almost matches with this image of the new hero but uh, I haven't read Deadlock Rebels, so

Also this one looks too young yeah

[brittle sky]

odds and ends. Security/pmc group that took over a bunch of Overwatch's contracts after it collapsed, including guarding various watch points (such a grand mesa, where soldier did a heist for his rifle, the temple of anubis where it almost busted out one time) and does contract work with oasis as well, including at their work in some kind of precrime experiment in morroco.

[crisp canyon]

It’s not Frankie 🥀

[wheat talon]

I saw someone mentioned Frankie in a vid so I just went w that too. Ig not. They also described her havin lavender hair

[brittle sky]

we think she's "dark-skinned, round-featured young woman, with a sturdy build and short, twisted curly lavender hair. She wears a delicate pair of round, rimless hologlasses. "

[fallow mantle]

Yeah which I thought, hey, this hair is pink. Pink is close to lavender sorta, lmao

[wheat talon]

Oh nice ty ty

[brittle sky]

It's not Frankie 🎉

[wheat talon]

Ahahah no like Frankie ?

[wheat talon]

So do we like this org? R they good. Corrupt ?

[brittle sky]

I just think people reaching for a name every time to flesh out the same factions over and over is a bit rote and boring, and falls into a kind of 'recognize this reference?' mode that is pretty creatively stagnant.

[fallow mantle]

Mhm exactly, was what I was speculating. 20 years is a long time so she could've changed her style - like, grown her hair out. Made it pink.

And there's that Cassidy/Ashe interaction about Frankie that was added a little while ago, which made me think, hey yeah it IS Frankie. I was still convinced when this picture dropped but I was viewing it, tiny image as it is, on my phone in the car on the way home from work, so to me it looked like her, then, but now, I'm a bit confused lmfao

[brittle sky]

probably involved with some shady stuff, but not shown to be as overtly corrupt as say vishkar

[fallow mantle]

If she's from Morroco that's neat

[crisp canyon]

I kinda don’t like the pink, I wish it was maybe a yellow or white idk I just feel like hot pink doesn’t compliment her others colors well

[wheat talon]

Ok good context to have. Ty

[wheat talon]

I think any shade of pink looks awesome on brown skin

[crisp canyon]

I mean the green and red not her skin color

[wheat talon]

Yellow would look weird. N would also strengthen the Cammy lookalike allegations ahahah

[wheat talon]

Ohhh

Would u say to replace the green w yellow?

[crisp canyon]

I think they could’ve done a brown black on the hair and kept the pink and orange as her colors with white accent and the drone could also be white

[wheat talon]

I rly like the coloured hair. Esp cause there’s so much of it. Being a fun colour is always nice

[brittle sky]

She needs to get in line if 'conspicuous reference to them in an in game interaction' equals eventual character add.

[wheat talon]

N there is brown there too

I also wouldnt have minded a full monochrome look w instead of the green top it b another shade of magenta. Ykwim

Like anran

[crisp canyon]

I wonder what her personality will be like the hot pink makes me think sombra, and doesn’t scream someone like Pharah

[shrewd pivot]

more hd

https://blizzard.gamespress.com/Overwatch

[wheat talon]

Ooooooo

[fallow mantle]

Also lmao what is WITH those shoes

Lotsa characters have em

[wheat talon]

I just realised they’re orange 😭😭

[civic lynx]

So the silhouettes shown at spotlight are not fully accurate

I wonder if S3’s hero has more to them as well

[wheat talon]

Oh sht

Even the gun changed

Her arms got bigger 👅

[wheat talon]

Ugh y do all the new female characters have the same face w the tiny ahh nose

[crisp canyon]

It looks like she went from burst rifle to pulse

[civic lynx]

The roadmap silhouettes are also incorrect if this is the case

[fallow mantle]

Are we gonna get a fully Native American hero for S3

[crisp canyon]

They’re never doing that lmao

[civic lynx]

Season 3 is more likely a hashimoto character

[fallow mantle]

Not again 😭

[wheat talon]

I’m gonna second this n also ask if we’re ever gonna get a native Aussie (aboriginal) character

We hav 3 white aussies 😭

[crisp canyon]

Rat in concept was before they changed him

[wheat talon]

WHAT

[fallow mantle]

I saw someone a while back somewhere saying that JQ woulda been cool af to have

[spare fox]

no one here knows what the nationalities of future heroes are going to be

[fallow mantle]

Fun to theorise 🌠

[wheat talon]

UR JOKING

ALL THESE YEARS I DDNT KNOW THIS

[crisp canyon]

Season 4 will be Korean

[wheat talon]

Yk but lowk it’s prolly good they changed it cause it would’ve just been seen as racist tbh

[shrewd pivot]

yeah...

[wheat talon]

The green dude 🤨

[civic lynx]

Probably the very first design

But not one that was kept for very long

[wheat talon]

So funny

[brittle sky]

...now that you mention it, not beyond the pale for s2 to be native. Though christ, if they set up a native american as opposing the cowboy faction for her first story...

[wheat talon]

That’s also true. No matter how much milk in the coffee it’s still coffee

Something like that

[shrewd pivot]

i would hope they would not do such a thing

[crisp canyon]

Blizzard still won’t even attach Pharah to a tribe or acknowledge that part of her the chance of them suddenly doing it for a new character is almost 0

[wheat talon]

Wum attach her to a tribe

[shrewd pivot]

Pharah is First Nations rep but vague

[spare fox]

she's Salish, but we don't know how connected to the culture she is/grew up

[shrewd pivot]

she is not from a specific tribe, just a community (Edit: Coastal Salish yeah)

[wheat talon]

Oh I didn’t know that

Not Ana ?

[crisp canyon]

Next to nothing from blizzard has given us

[spare fox]

where do you think I got it from??

[shrewd pivot]

Ana is Egyptian, Sam is First Nations Coastal Salish (no specific group tho within Coastal Salish communities)

[brittle sky]

her mom is egyptian. Her dad is first nations

[wheat talon]

Oh yeah

I’m tired

[brittle sky]

(they almost certaindly did this to make pharah's thunderbird skins retroactively less offensive)

[wheat talon]

They never mention the dad

[edgy meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/toba-aquarium-baby-seal-head-bang-bobbing-nico-gif-20734369

[wheat talon]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[spare fox]

there is zero evidence of this other than people wanting to piss on blizzard

[crisp canyon]

No voicelines, no spray since like 2017, doesn’t even get referred to as First Nation in current day, no cosmetics unless she’s Egyptian

[brittle sky]

The evidence is they made no mention of that or indication she was anything other than egyptian until significantly after the skin released and they got flack for it.

[shrewd pivot]

Honestly I agree with this, even if it's not explicit canon it went down this way, there's such huge ignorance in Pharah's rep, it feels like a very possible thing

Anyways, I hope the new hero does nice rep for her nationality

[wheat talon]

I saw a spray of Ana n the dad w baby pharah n he had long hair n he was brown so ig long hair = native

[spare fox]

what do you want? a tinkertape parade? why aren't there any references to Tracer being British since then

[wheat talon]

Before that I never knew wat he looked like

[wise grotto]

there's actually a sizeable amount of them this isn't a good argument

[crisp canyon]

“We hate this company so we will hate you for doing this one specific thing to this hero for no reason, and u better listen” does that really sound believable to you compared to them changing pharahs ethnicity?

[wise grotto]

In ow2 she's had skins come out around it
I think she has like, 4 legendary skins referencing it

And an epic

[crisp canyon]

There are literally like a million references to this compared to Pharah native side lmao

[wheat talon]

Pharah is just Egyptian to me before we had this convo so

[spare fox]

Pharah didn't grow up with the first nations community though? what references do you want?

[crisp canyon]

Because that’s what she is to blizzard to

[wheat talon]

Sad

[wheat talon]

Like maybe a voice line got to do w her dad

Any mention of the dad

[crisp canyon]

I love how we will defend Pharah being native and then say why r u even asking for more?

[wheat talon]

Ana mentioning the dude she had a kid w

[spare fox]

there have been several mentions of her dad in voicelines?

[wheat talon]

lol

[odd slate]

i might be tweaking, there's supposed to be a new hero implemented every other season right?

and the reveals for them are every season?

[wheat talon]

Deadass I fr cannot think of any

[crisp canyon]

Yes from now on

[odd slate]

so season 2 is the helix chick, season 3 is the hashimoto reveal/implementetion of helix, etc

[wheat talon]

One new hero for every new season

[odd slate]

i thought it was every other season?

[wheat talon]

I thought it was one fr one 🙈

[spare fox]

she asks Ana if she's told her dad that she's back yet - again she didn't grow up with her dad, so it makes sense she wouldn't mention him much

[crisp canyon]

Mhmm

[shrewd pivot]

There's a whole ignorance to culture thing about Regalia being cosmetics in games, it's very very possible this was a later addition. Even then, a thunder bird Regalia cosmetic is kinda odd bc Pharah has no specific group within Coastal Salish community, she's rather distanced from such culture.

I think it's valid to say "this could have been handled better"

[odd slate]

idk 😭 maybe i misunderstood, id have to check again

[shrewd pivot]

this year, each season has a new hero + new map (or map rework)

[wheat talon]

Yipee

Excited for the map stuff

We need new stuff

[odd slate]

damn

[civic lynx]

At least this year is a new hero every season

[odd slate]

ok thats cool then

[spare fox]

but she IS distanced from that community - she grew up with her Egyptian mom on OW bases her whole life

[crisp canyon]

Hero release in ow1 and 2 was every 4 months now it will be every 2 months going forward

[odd slate]

i need to prep for a new hero every season LMAO

the new maps would be cool tho

wonder what they have in store

[civic lynx]

Season 2 will bring Antarctic peninsula’s rework

[odd slate]

oh yeah thats right

[civic lynx]

S3 is the new Tokyo map

[shrewd pivot]

exactly, so why give her a Regalia costume :o, valid to say "this could have been handled better"

[odd slate]

that map disappeared for a hot minute

[civic lynx]

S4, 5 and 6 are unknown but the Icelandic prison map will be for one of them

[wheat talon]

Yipee more Japan stuff 🙄

[spare fox]

because distanced from a community =/= nonmembership in that community

[crisp canyon]

“I can acknowledge she isn’t that connected to this culture but ur crazy if u didn’t think they didn’t plan for her to be that all along”

[languid nacelle]

here comes frankie from the deadlock gang.

[wheat talon]

Frankie ?

[civic lynx]

This hero doesn’t seem to be Frankie due to the helix security logo on their clothing

[wheat talon]

URURURHURURURHURUR

[civic lynx]

They seem to be the other popular theory of helix’s head of security

[crisp canyon]

Icl this is usually how it goes in indigenous communities, most ppl that aren’t connected to the culture feel severely out of place with that culture or are trying to reconnect to the point it’s all they want, there’s not really a gray period

[languid nacelle]

the shadow matches the character desccription in declassified though

[spare fox]

I'm not saying crazy JFC they didn't drop every tiny tidbit of every hero on the offset in 2016 - we didn't know Torb had kids, we didn't know that S76 or Tracer were gay... just because they don't dump all the cards onto the table doesn't mean that the cards aren't there

[crisp canyon]

So the idea Pharah is a heavily disconnected native who is still maybe has this culture tie even tho she’s never been around almost her entire life, doesn’t even make sense when u say it, idk how u don’t see a contradiction when u say they meant for this to be planned and then try and defend why 10 years later there’s still practically nothing ab this

[languid nacelle]

what if frankie is inflitrating helix and has become cheif of security?

[crisp canyon]

Frankie would be in her 40s or so the new hero looks 20-30

[odd slate]

man im excited for the one all the way on the left

nothing is known about that one

[shrewd pivot]

ye, what i mean is that the imagery itself OR introduction is what could have been tweaked.
We barely get any rep of Pharah interacting with her dad's side of the culture, and many First Nations users have critiqued the depictions of Pharah for just that.

Pharah also has Bedouin skin... yet so does Genji(the reasoning for his skin is straight up orientalist), that precedent is kind of indicating the "ignorance about cultural outfits as cosmetics" thing

It's that the topic itself could have been presented better, more mindfully, so make it clear it's about embracing a culture and not the usual of "plop here's a cool skin (uses regalia)"

It's okay to say it's not handled well...

[odd slate]

but i think they might have some augmentations?

[crisp canyon]

“Let’s give the hero a native background and not tell anyone” 😭

[shrewd pivot]

could be an omnic, or a cyborg human!

[spare fox]

because the ONE does not negate the OTHER, how can I make YOU understand that?! Just because she didn't grow up among the first nations doesn't mean she NEVER visited or participated in their culture, just rarely

[languid nacelle]

the omnic who reminds me of valentine frome fa4?

[civic lynx]

The silhouette for the remaining heroes may not be fully accurate the same way this one wasn’t

So it’s a bit hard to fully say what they could be like

[crisp canyon]

I’m literally Native American and I grew up on the reservation 😭

[odd slate]

im thinking more cyborg human! if we get two omnics that would be FANTASTIC but i wouldnt be surprised if they'll be sparse

[odd slate]

nein nein, the one with the hat and the weird...weapon thing at their back?

the one below JPC

next to anran

[crisp canyon]

I think i understand it a bit better than u do lol

[languid nacelle]

i also think the one that will come out after this season will be some sort of hashimoto girl boss/assassin character

[odd slate]

wait that's a gun

[shrewd pivot]

I am an omnic truther, i hope it's an omnic haha, but cyborg human would be awesome :)

[odd slate]

LMAO i think that's a gun HELP

its hot a hat i think it's a gun cocked on the shoulder

REGARDLESS

another omnic would be cool

[languid nacelle]

what if its a cane?

[civic lynx]

Yeah it’s just a gun over their shoulder

Their waist is too thin to be human

[spare fox]

but I'm not arguing that it's not handled well, I'm arguing that just because the writers don't mention something at the offset doesn't mean that it's a retcon/added later as an oopsie, especially when there's no evidence of such

[odd slate]

but the fact we have one (hopefully) confirmed is pretty cool

[languid nacelle]

on the other one

[civic lynx]

So unless they’re gonna completely change that

The hero is most likely a robot

[crisp canyon]

I feel like the crystals are probably hard light or some form of it

[odd slate]

the feet are definitely robotic/augmented

and the crystals are probably hard light

[languid nacelle]

i can see it being a null sector omnic if they wanna circle back at some point

[odd slate]

oughhh

[spare fox]

that's the problem with literally all of you when you're debating, you're constantly moving the goalposts and then retroactively saying that I'm saying something that I never said to begin with

[crisp canyon]

“You guys just wanna be mad at blizzard” ahh argument 😭

[odd slate]

more null sector in the background...maybe ram gathers forces while talon/ow are busy and he launches his own campaign quietly? well..."quietly"

[civic lynx]

Huh this is interesting

[odd slate]

he did say to vendetta "by all means, let humanity tear itself apart. you're doing my job for me"

essentially

[civic lynx]

A reliable OW leak account has posted this picture which is from the Sierra Nevada mountain range in America

[crisp canyon]

It be cool if Anubis somehow took over Ram for the next arc

[odd slate]

mountin

[civic lynx]

This could be a hint at S2’s storyline or where S2’s hero is from

[odd slate]

she's coloradian

[crisp canyon]

New hero from Nevada 😭

[odd slate]

(idk if thats accurate at all but itd be funny)

could be someone raised in america or born there + moved to XYZ to join helix?

[languid nacelle]

what if it is some sort of "superior" omnic that ram sends out as the next phaze or it could be a deserter with a personality kinof like bastion or echo

[odd slate]

ugh bastion.... 🥀

i lub him

[spare fox]

I mean, yeah you guys DO just wanna be mad at blizzard and it's frankly so tired seeing the mental gymnastics to twist shit to fit that narrative

[shrewd pivot]

Yeye, what I mean is that is a reasonable inference, to question the Pharah Regalia skins, based on the Bedouin Genji skin existing specifically described for orientalist "on his journey" reasons.
The Pharah skin being "suspicious" to ppl is a valid suspicion.
It has to do with if the rep is good rep or not, not if the devs last minute changed an idea or not.

[shrewd pivot]

People are critiquing the rep, and saying it's kinda sus. that's all.

[crisp canyon]

Yep that’s why I’ve been playing the game for so long cause I hate their guts

I’m in it for the long game fs

[languid nacelle]

ive loved the story and the lore of this game long before i started playing

[odd slate]

it's some good shit

[crisp canyon]

The mental gymnastics of saying a character was poorly rewritten to avoid controversy when it’s more supported than this was always the plan

[brittle sky]

Least Anubis could do is possess a character that becomes more, rather than less, interesting with such a possession.

[shrewd pivot]

if you care about something you compliment the goods and critique the bads imo!

[spare fox]

the comment that sparked this whole conversation was saying that the devs retroactively changed her heritage
||(they almost certaindly did this to make pharah's thunderbird skins retroactively less offensive)

[shrewd pivot]

yeah it's not confirmed, but it's reasonable to be suspicious

[crisp canyon]

This is literally what they did tho

[spare fox]

there is literally no evidence of such

[crisp canyon]

Where was it to begin with and where is it now? 😭

[shrewd pivot]

evidence for bad rep in this situation is giving benefit of the doubt to ignorant creators tho?

[languid nacelle]

i aslo heavily buy into the redesigned D.MON theory for the big one in back

[shrewd pivot]

D.MON mech technically got blow up iirc, so it's a new mech

[brittle sky]

Pretty uncontroversial first option I'd say.

[shrewd pivot]

but the new mech makes it easier to animate bc its more humanoid

[odd slate]

new mech, same D.MON

[shrewd pivot]

yeye

[brittle sky]

They've been repeatedly rebuilt so nothing special there

[languid nacelle]

exactly, the design is similar but not the same

[spare fox]

between benefit of the doubt to creators and benefit of the doubt to whiners on the internet who literally don't have any evidence other than wanting to whine about somehting, I'm going to give it to the creators.

[crisp canyon]

They should call the plasma blad on dmons mech hell razor

[languid nacelle]

not a bad idea

[odd slate]

oh oh

[shrewd pivot]

If a group says thier culture is being badly represented, and provide valid critique on why and how the culture is not represented well, i will trust the group to say if it's good rep or not.
I do not give benefit of the doubt to ignorance, you don't know what you don't know.

[odd slate]

with d.mon releasing

since we guess it's d.mon

[crisp canyon]

Least passive aggressive and bias opinion to call the ppl whiners

[odd slate]

it would be so cute if they made the busan map's hanger have d.mon's spot empty too

like with tokki

OHHH wait will the mech have a name???

that would be so cute if the mechs were all named

[spare fox]

literally what you're doing

[shrewd pivot]

yeah but maybe lore wise they will justify D.MON's more humanoid mech as a rebrand or something

[civic lynx]

I think d.mon is the mech’s name

[languid nacelle]

i believe the working theory right now is that korea sends the mecha to junkertown to help with... mauga???

[odd slate]

i dont think so...i recall seeing somewhere d.mon was the callsign, same as d.va

like an image

[civic lynx]

The pilot’s name is Yuna

[odd slate]

yeah that ^^

[shrewd pivot]

whining that Pharah's rep is bad rep? That's not whining, that's valid critique to say the situation could have been handled better. it's not whining

[civic lynx]

There’s also early concept art with beast shown as the name

[odd slate]

so d.mon's the callsign! maybe the mech has a different name like tokki

[civic lynx]

So that could have become the mech’s name

[crisp canyon]

Okay so In 2014 when this skin dropped I would be whining for questioning why an Egyptian character has a this tribal skin with big cultural significance and then just accept the fact I have to wait and see for like 2-3 years on a response as to why that’s even a thing? And I would just know this was coming?

[languid nacelle]

im interested to know if junkrats treasure will factor into the storyline at that time?

[odd slate]

im sorry but casino's feet hanging out is so funny to me

[shrewd pivot]

I agree with your point, you are not a whinner for that

[spare fox]

how is the culture being badly represented? Which is it? her First Nations heritage isn't adequate representation and was just a tack-on afterthought OR is the First Nations representation ignorant and bad?
You guys are literally both whining that something is nonexistant and that its existance is poorly actioned

[odd slate]

this sounds like a messy fuck up all around tbh

i didnt even know pharah was originally(?) a first nations member, i thought she was always egyptian like her mum

[shrewd pivot]

if it was planned ahead of time, it was terribly handled in how it was revealed.
If it was not planned ahead of time, it was also terribly handled bc regalia is not a cosmetic for random characters.

That is what is trying to be stated

[odd slate]

the only thing i can think of is someone using thunderbird in the mythological creatures sense

BUT

not realizing how important it is to first nations cultures

bc it IS used as a mythological beast, in the same vein as like...medusa or demons or something
(in my experience with seeing it, at least)

i would not be surprised if there was not much more foresight than that and there's now a pitfield that has to be navigated

[shrewd pivot]

Thunderbird in this context is very much tied to indigenous American culture and beliefs,
and yeah ppl don't know what they don't know, if someone didn't know, it is what it is, but that's why cultural advisors are important for creating characters.

also it's not bad to just... replace a skin if it's a mess up

kiriko norse skin had to replace a bad symbol

[odd slate]

yeah exactly

[shrewd pivot]

it happens, but it's important to have ppl on the crew to notify ahead of time as to not ship out mess ups to begin with

[odd slate]

mistakes happen, and honestly changing something and making it more appropriate/removing it is better than doing nothing

[shrewd pivot]

yeah

[odd slate]

ofc people of said cultures will be pissed off, and they have every right to be

[spare fox]

so was Soldier's reveal to be Catholic also poorly handled? Reyes having Mexican heritage? Those were revealed in skins as well

[odd slate]

at the same time people can be ignorant, whether intentionally or accidentally, so having grace in correcting said behavior and saying "this isn't okay, here's why" helps everyone

[spare fox]

it's a part of visual and ongoing narrative storytelling

[crisp canyon]

Native culture is a closed culture it’s not like where I can go to Tokyo and put on kimono and be seen as taking part and celebrating with them, and this goes back to Native Americans historically being killed or imprisoned for who they are this only ended in late 70s and in Canada it was the 50s, ntm Native American families could be legally separated by the government and be placed with white ppl to assimilate in the 70s as well not even a hundred years has passed since this has happened, and ur referring to ppl like myself who is native as whiner for reasonably being upset that a character that was fully presented and introduced as Egyptian was give this skin and then followed with another

[odd slate]

in this context i dont think comparing religion to someone's ethnicity is the right point

reyes being mexican would be more in line with the point you want to make there

[shrewd pivot]

Context. is it common that people apply Catholic belief to characters with ignorance for "cool looking skin" factor like Regalia? Nope, and it's no different than the rest of the cast being unknown religions or outright religions like Kiriko Shinto Shrine maiden.

Reyes has a Last name that references his heritage, a specifying isn't and issue

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah, you aren't whining imo, you are providing a valid critique.

[spare fox]

Reyes is a last name found in many heritages in a third of the world, Mexican being only one of them

[shrewd pivot]

yes and? a Spanish name is not the same as having a Regalia skin (closed community), like Malkk explained.

honestly, i think if you looked into the time put into handmaking regalia and cultural and spiritual importance of regalia, you would get the idea of why it's a big deal

anyways, i g2g now but yeah you aren't a whiner Malkk

[spare fox]

the point was that details about heroes are revealed in numerous ways, their skins being one of them

[crisp canyon]

So just nothing an what I said to you

[shrewd pivot]

which is not the point we are making Spooky...

yeah g2g sorry

[spare fox]

you typed a lot but didn't say anything?
"Oh I'm so sorry you want to be offended so badly" is that what you want to hear?

[crisp canyon]

Micro aggression final boss

[shrewd pivot]

Spooky holy crap stop

yeah it's micro aggressions now

[odd slate]

i think everyone needs to take a step back

[shrewd pivot]

yeah

[odd slate]

this conversation is getting ugly

and this is the one channel i like because it doesnt derail into shit like this

take a break, go do something else for a bit, think on some things, and come back

side note, venture with an alebrije skin would be SO fucking cool

[crisp canyon]

I think I’m just going to block spooky this is the second time we’ve had this conversation in here and both times they have been micro aggressive and dismissive of anything ab it

[odd slate]

i'm sorry :(

i understand where you're coming from

i like to try and see some optimism in various situations, namely people being idiotic + the skins really are beautiful and they thought someone with wings could do them justice, but it came across poorly

[shrewd pivot]

Ok nevermind it wasn't a work email im back.

I would say that poorly implemented rep still is hard to see positivity in, depending.

I think it's ok to say "it could have been handled better"

And I don't think anyone is whining, just valid criticism.

To not drag this out, Back to the comment that sparked this convo, I am hopeful they do nice rep for the new hero 🙏 I hope the character has a cool VA, I wonder what the voice will sound like

[odd slate]

cammy

LMAO

i have no other ideas

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah she def has Cammy vibes! I think it's a fun riff

[odd slate]

jaja

the beret sells it haha

and the weird drone...bird? thing

now how did i cut my finger

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I wonder what she will be architype wise...? She kind of gives off aesthetics similarish to Sabine from star wars, like military tech with funky bright paint and stuff.

I can't really discern much from her design tho. It's honestly a little disappointing bc it feels like the bright pink clashes and the jacket around the waist seems a bit boring compared to it being tech stuff instead, but I hope her lore is cool :)

[civic lynx]

I think the weapon being majority black/carbon fibre is a bit odd

She has very bright colours on her outfit and then the weapon is just black with like 3 pink spots

[odd slate]

the jacket is interesting but i was not expecting pink at all LMAO

tho i wonder if that's on purpose

[shrewd pivot]

Tbf most military style weapons in overwatch are kinda "boring"

But yeah the bright pink has me wondering if all her tech will be bright pink?

[odd slate]

like, to draw fire to her as opposed to her squad?

like an intentional "look at me here" deal

[civic lynx]

It would definitely make her stand out 😭

Hard to miss neon pink

[shrewd pivot]

She seems to be a long distance hero bc of the midriff and drone and long distance looking weapon tho, probably bright pink bc she's not on the battlefield to begin with haha

[odd slate]

exactly!

or just to mess with enemies

who knows

[shrewd pivot]

The new hero midriff reminds me of Talon Widowmaker, also a long distance hero

[odd slate]

maybe she has a thigh holster? like for a knife?

looking at her outfit at least

[shrewd pivot]

There is a tech thing on her leg/hip yeah.

A knife would make sense, or drone charger maybe?

[odd slate]

i think knife would be her melee

and he drone stuff could all be on her back?

[crisp canyon]

I feel like she’ll be South East Asian maybe but I do like the carribean theory

[odd slate]

hold on lemme repost the image here so i dont keep popping back and forth

nvm guess i cant

anyway

[odd slate]

yeah ty

[shrewd pivot]

Honestly I wonder what is going on with the hair dye. It goes pink brown to fade into pink?

[civic lynx]

Yeah the colour is really odd to me 😭

[crisp canyon]

Supposedly the hot pink is a fashion trend in Vietnam

[civic lynx]

I do wonder what it would’ve been like with the original version of her hair when it was thicker

[shrewd pivot]

Interesting!

And yeah same

[odd slate]

yeah like???

[languid nacelle]

frankie

[odd slate]

is the underside brown? but it can't be, right? why else isn't it on the rest of the braid?

[shrewd pivot]

Maybe the hair is a archetype trope or something 🤔 like maybe there's a story besides rapunzel or something lol

[shrewd pivot]

Seems like half is pink, half is brown, then fades into pink at the end?

[civic lynx]

It looks like the braid is brown at the top then fades to pink but then there’s a blob of pink at the top of her head 😭

[odd slate]

ig????

just a weird way to implement it haha

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah it is

[odd slate]

im not too well-versed on southeast asian countres/cultures but maybe somewhere like sri lanka or cambodia could be where she's from?

[languid nacelle]

what if she is like overwatch rapunzel in a way and watchpoint grand mesa is her tower?

[odd slate]

or laos, myanmar, malaysia?

or philippines!

[crisp canyon]

A few ppl in ows said this for their pick

[odd slate]

lowkey that'd be cool

[civic lynx]

I personally more so agree with the Barbados idea based on the drone and the national animal (flying fish)

I wouldn’t be against them being from a south East Asian country tho

[languid nacelle]

what if she has connections to the deep sea raiders perhaps?

[odd slate]

oo barbados...

[wooden drift]

So new hero is definitely not with Ashe's gang?

[odd slate]

bar bados...

[odd slate]

helix most likely!!

[civic lynx]

Doesn’t seem like it

They have the helix logo on their shirt

[wooden drift]

Knew it

Heck yeah

[civic lynx]

So they’re either helix security like fr or the slightly more out there theory I saw of it being Frankie undercover

[crisp canyon]

Vietnam also has flying fish

[shrewd pivot]

The visual weight too is kind of lopsided.
If you blur your vision her headshot hitbox is obvious, her waist is obvious, and I presume the drone is neon magenta to make it obvious where it is during gameplay.

I feel like her 3d model will be what will make the design work or not.

[odd slate]

idk who frankie is

sob

[civic lynx]

Hacker in the deadlock gang with drones/a drone

[shrewd pivot]

Hacker for deadlock

[odd slate]

oughh

ok

[civic lynx]

We never saw her actual model but she’s described in Ashe lore

[odd slate]

give us lynx 17 blizzard

[shrewd pivot]

It's not Frankie, most likely imo

[odd slate]

dont be cowards

[wooden drift]

It would be a weird design for an outlaw

[shrewd pivot]

The new hero is def Helix too

[wooden drift]

Finally new helix hero

[civic lynx]

Tbh it’s a little odd (at least to me) for a security agent to have bright pink in their appearance 😭

[odd slate]

shes in your FACE

like sombra

kinda

[civic lynx]

I thought she’d be more like that fake Reddit leak and be fully brown/grey with hints of red

[odd slate]

that'd be cool

maybe that's where the mountains come in? a hint to a different palette?

[wooden drift]

The one made with ai?

[civic lynx]

Yes

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I think her braid is more brown in the middle so you can easily discern her pink arm

[odd slate]

perhaps

[shrewd pivot]

Idk why they didn't make her pink arm the focus of her design tho

[odd slate]

a focal pop of color rather than have it fade out

yeah

dunno!

maybe her hair has magic properties or lets her connect with her drone better

[shrewd pivot]

The braid fading to pink at the end would have been totally fine too!

[wooden drift]

Bluetooth hair

[odd slate]

LMAO YEAH

[odd slate]

ohhhh love me a good fade...

[shrewd pivot]

I bet the base skins might change her hair color :o

[odd slate]

god please

[civic lynx]

I’m very interested in hearing where the idea for the floor length hair came from

[shrewd pivot]

So guesses thus far are, Morocco, Barbados, or Vietnam?

[wooden drift]

Nuh, probably just outfits. Like how cat's skins only change the jetpack

[odd slate]

philippines too!

[odd slate]

someone on the team has hair that long

i used to

[shrewd pivot]

True. Hm. Im guessing her drone color and arm will not change, atleast

[odd slate]

awh what if the drone had a name

imagine it was like droney or something stupid

[spare fox]

I think if it did change, they would still keep it bright and noticeable - neon-esque colors OR at least keep the drone LOUD with plenty of audio cues

[wooden drift]

Why would you wanna shoot down drones

[odd slate]

ability most likely

[spare fox]

is that a real question?

[odd slate]

or something like a turret

[wooden drift]

Yeah, just let them do their thing

[odd slate]

god a mobile torb turret....

[shrewd pivot]

More so, to make it clear where the drone is, so enemies can counter whatever the ability is

[crisp canyon]

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was from Brazil like Lucio 2 we kinda are only thinking places we don’t have

[shrewd pivot]

My guess is that it's a visual or sonar thing, not a turret

[civic lynx]

There is an ALLEGED (it looks fake to me) leak of the next lore drop on Twitter rn

[spare fox]

man it sure sucks being a junkrat main with all these flying heroes/abilities 💀

[wooden drift]

Is it good or bad?

[civic lynx]

Seems like an April fools prank but knowing how prone ow is to leaks it could be real

[odd slate]

yeah lol

[odd slate]

like hanzo's arrow?

[shrewd pivot]

Im actually kinda worried about the new hero drone if JPC is silent when hovering...

[civic lynx]

I have not seen this image of moira before but nowadays the image not being seen before doesn’t mean it’s real

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah like sonic arrow

[odd slate]

mmm evil irish ginger

[crisp canyon]

Moira making super soldiers

[wooden drift]

Sure hope Moira would talk there

[civic lynx]

I assume it would be something entirely focused on her

Maybe setting up something with her trying to enhance talon soldiers or finding a new test subject to try something out on

[spare fox]

man seeing the Italian "leak" and it saying "Progresso" and my dumbass being like "Moira's on vacation in Mexico?"

[civic lynx]

She saw widow and reaper leave and had to take time to just go on vacation

[odd slate]

yup yup

emre looking mighty plausible to be under the scalpel

[wooden drift]

New victim for Moira, i guess

[shrewd pivot]

I wonder if Moira comic will be hinting at something for this year's arc?

[civic lynx]

Could be tbh

[spare fox]

god I love when Moira's involved it's always so juicy

[odd slate]

perhaps

[civic lynx]

If she’s enhancing talon soldiers maybe they’re going to become stronger and more of a threat

[wooden drift]

I think chernobog would just murder her for trying anything

[civic lynx]

Not only with just the hardlight stuff vishkar is making but also just physically their bodies will be stronger and able to withstand things a regular human never could

[odd slate]

LMAO

[shrewd pivot]

Oh wait duh I forgot! Talon is attacking grand Mesa to get a serum! Yeah its the super soldiers thing as said before lol, Moira will want that serum, which leads into next season story

[odd slate]

"mine, go away"

[spare fox]

I am still clinging tightly to the theory that she baited the Phreaks to steal the vanadium from Oasis - so that she could see what happens

if Oasis wasn't going to let her have it/do her experiments as she wished...

I'm all for suspension of disbelief but Hazard showed up with that suit on and ready I mean...

[civic lynx]

I do wonder if this could be like them adding the most important thing from the webtoon to the main story section

[odd slate]

possibly...

[civic lynx]

Talon got something from a facility and moira is using it to see if she can make the soldiers (and/or herself) stronger

[odd slate]

oh def herself too

racing against entropy

[shrewd pivot]

Oh no what will Sojourn have to face.... what is the crushing news :<

[shrewd pivot]

Moira def testing that grand mesa super soldier serum on the Colosseo gladiators

[civic lynx]

IMO the wording kinda implies vendetta is going to come VERY close to winning this war soon

But something allows ow to turn it in their favour

[spare fox]

and like.. what kind of Talon troop "specials" are we going to see in the future?

[civic lynx]

The quality is lowered thanks twitter

[crisp canyon]

All of this building up for Moira to go full mutant and get her own story arc

[shrewd pivot]

Can someone run this thru translation?

Oh wait im dense, that text above is just the usual stuff mbmb

[civic lynx]

Moira’s translates to release story (blue text)
Progress

[spare fox]

I've been theorizing since we saw her more-decayed arm in OW2 that in the FUTURE Overwatch (probably years from now, like when Doomfist returns kinda future) that she is going to eventually be a BIG BAD of an arc

and go full mutant

[civic lynx]

The grey one next to it still says coming soon

[shrewd pivot]

Yeye ty pardon im brain fried today.

[civic lynx]

A mutant moira that takes inspiration from her concept art (either her full design or just her ultimate and rework her finally) would be really cool imo

[odd slate]

jesus

yea

[shrewd pivot]

Tbh that would make for a very fun year long arc. Maybe not fully lost mutant, but obvious progression in its spread.

I mean, Moira has some heavy alchemy inspo to her design. Even her androgynous design could be a reference to alchemy "rebis"

Moira could possibly get some kind of "philosophers stone" equivalent, if it wasn't already Vanadium lol

[crisp canyon]

Icl Moira concepts are better than final design

[odd slate]

oo

[civic lynx]

Most heroes are

[vernal wagon]

guys did u hear about the ow webtoon thing

[civic lynx]

The final designs are toned down to be easier for animators

[shrewd pivot]

Ye

[civic lynx]

The original designs for most heroes are really out there and wouldn’t make sense in game or lore appearances

[peak escarp]

like Roadhog being a pig mutant

[odd slate]

roadhog style

[civic lynx]

Moira’s ult concept here is the more likely thing for how they would translate a rapid mutation in her lore into the game

Rather than making her into some sort of hunched over monster

[crisp canyon]

Moira getting an ult like Winston where she hulks out would be fun tho

[civic lynx]

It would be fun but it would completely change how she looks and acts 😭

[spare fox]

She'd be like the Matriarch in KF2 rip

[shrewd pivot]

I think a "new era" style skinline could cover the mutation spreading more over her body. No need to change mechanics

Tho, why might rework Moira one day 🤔 that would be a good excuse

[civic lynx]

A lot of heroes especially when undergoing reworks can’t change to the point they’re basically a whole new character

[odd slate]

yup

[shrewd pivot]

I really wonder how sombra rework will go...

[civic lynx]

A moira rework was tested either in 2024 or last year but it never went anywhere

[spare fox]

oh yeahh I vaguely remember that

[crisp canyon]

I don’t think Moira core gameplay needs rework just coal

[civic lynx]

If they want to move her lore forward in a major way it could lead to them trying out another rework

[crisp canyon]

Well maybe orbs I think a big reasons she falls off in pro play is cause of how unpredictable orbs can be and predictable fade is, they should maybe do something ab that

[shrewd pivot]

Iirc it was Moira and reaper rework, but that was halted, probably bc of perks being added?

Reaper could add in his grenade thingies

And Moira ult could change yeah

[civic lynx]

Yeah moira and reaper

But I think they just said the reworks “failed”

And they were currently not considering any ideas (probably bc of perks and the Sombra rework needing more attention)

[shrewd pivot]

Ye

[spare fox]

Sombra becoming the new Symmetra

has she had as many reworks as Sym yet?

[civic lynx]

Also I’ve just seen this again on someone else’s account in the Brazilian Portuguese localisation of the game

So it pretty much is confirmed real

But if you try to click on the story it just says an error occurred

[crisp canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-brazil-brasil-gif-6938057558292577085

[shrewd pivot]

I don't wish to steer topics into reworks on lore, but I wonder if JPC will get reworked if Sombra is.

And symm had many major reworks, sombra had one major rework iirc

[civic lynx]

The original image is from the Italian localisation

[shrewd pivot]

Ok so I can say Moira looks so off with a tiny nose in that comic haha

[civic lynx]

She does 😭

[spare fox]

hmm good question - I think being that JPC is still so new, I think there are still changes they can make to her without it being a full "rework" like she needs better audio cues

[odd slate]

maybe she'll get a rework

who knows

her perks have already been nerfed

[shrewd pivot]

Life weaver rework too maybe

[odd slate]

PLEASE YES

GIVE HIM BACK HIS BASE CLEANSE

PLEASE

[crisp canyon]

They should bring back choice ultimate ability sym had it hasn’t resurfaced since that version

[shrewd pivot]

Base cleanse and base boost heal will be main kit next season devs said

Anran technically has two, but ye

[crisp canyon]

Yeah but you have to die to use one of them, sym legit had a choice of what to use

[shrewd pivot]

I think it was for clarity to enemies for symm to have 1 ult? Symmetra's ult choices would be shield generator or shield wall now ig? :o

[crisp canyon]

It was teleporter or shield gen

Shield gen still has voicelines in game if im not mistaken with characters i think up to Juno? And it still hasn’t reappeared

[shrewd pivot]

tp ult (tp from spawn) would be too op current game imo 🤔

And yeah shield generator voicelines exist

[crisp canyon]

I remember it being theorized Juno might have shield gen as an ultimate when those vl leaked

[civic lynx]

I think other abilities no longer in the game still have detection lines as well bc they want to future proof in case the ability one day returns

I dont think they’ve ever publicly said shield gen has been considered for a return but iirc they said orisa’s halt! ability could one day return with a new hero if they felt it was appropriate

Shield gen/something similar to her tp ult most likely got lines until they decided they’ll most likely never bring them back so stopped requiring lines to be recorded

[shrewd pivot]

Pharah reverse grenade perk was kinda like halt 🤔

[odd slate]

i saw something abt a different invisibility line whenever people sense sombra's around

like "who's there" type deal

[civic lynx]

Yeah I heard domina’s one recently

I’m not entirely sure if it’s triggered when Sombra is detected and then goes back to being invisible or if it’ll just happen when she’s in a certain radius

[spare fox]

yeah those have been in the files for a while

[odd slate]

one of the two

[shrewd pivot]

I wonder what new hero ult will be. Seemingly related to the drone or charge shot?

[civic lynx]

I think a charge shot

The drone based on that image has no form of weapon attached to it

And idk if it would be like a heat seeking explosive for the ult

[spare fox]

the drone could be for recon or the weapon could be like a pulse or something

[crisp canyon]

The drone could either be like a heat seeking missile that launches off or the player can guide like tire?

If it’s a charged shot or something I wonder if be some sort of thing like a beam to differentiate between sojourns

[odd slate]

maybe

[crisp canyon]

I try thinking of games ults it could make take inspiration from usually like Val, where it could be like a juno ult that strikes a point on the map or is a security agent can lockdown an area and force enemies off or shut them down

[edgy meadow]

did we get new lore drop

[civic lynx]

No but one is coming soon

[edgy meadow]

why does her face look like that

😭

[civic lynx]

Got plastic surgery to shrink her nose for fun ig

[edgy meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/sindrome-walking-the-incredibles-gif-11763481662238393839

syndrome ahh face

im crine

[brittle sky]

the lore drop is actually to preview how they are cancelling Anran's face rework, and instead reworking moira's face to give her pixar face too.

[civic lynx]

Every hero must have a button nose

The planet will implode if we don’t make every hero have the smallest nose possible

[dry pebble]

Sorry but i find her colors be looking ugly no joke

[wooden drift]

But orisa did changed personality wise after rework

[dry pebble]

But to be fair unlike any other games Overwatch's character models manages to make them look visually nicer to the eyes if they don't in concept art

One of the coolest shi this game has acknowledge

[crimson wren]

Is there any way that I can find the whole overwatch lore without playing the video game and archive daily events?

[spare fox]

start with the lore playlist on PlayOverwatch's youtube

then there are a bunch of comics and short stories under the Media tab on the game's site

man it's kinda cool - we've had so many pink heroes but it's cool to get a full PROCESS MAGENTA hero, I'm digging it and it looks kickass with the fatigue green

[shrewd pivot]

If the webtoons releases 3 chapters per week with 40 eps, that is 3 webtoon chapters per week for the next 3 months?

Idk if they release 1 chapter or 3 chapters per week

[spare fox]

I think it's 3 episodes this week, next week is episodes 4-8 but if you have webtoon coins you can get episodes 4-8 this week too

https://www.vice.com/en/article/blizzard-drops-new-overwatch-undivided-webtoon-with-major-story-lore-expansion/ that's all I got from Cavalry and this announcement article

they didn't say how many eps per week nor how frequently we can expect them, but I assume regularly?

[edgy meadow]

where can we read the comics

[shrewd pivot]

You have to make a webtoon account (EDIT: You do not need to make an account! It's free to read even without an account mb), then read for free on webtoons

Eventually all the chapters will release free to read, we just have to wait

[crimson wren]

Really? All of it is there?

[spare fox]

the videos are all on Play Overwatch's youtube as are some of the narrated short stories and comics

I believe there's a pin up at the top of this channel with links, too

[crimson wren]

Cool. I can understand numbly watching the video playlist in following order

[spare fox]

yep, make some popcorn etc

[edgy meadow]

epico

[crimson wren]

Do they have archive events in games? Because those tell the lore details too.

[spare fox]

sadly they don't have them anymore, but you can search YT for some playthroughs and the cutscenes

allegedly when they made OW2, they broke the Archives missions or something they won't work on the new engine and as of Alec's interview with Deemzies a few weeks ago, they're "talking about" bringing them back but it'll be very involved. Plus the Invasion Missions didn't sell well so they're def going to take that failure into account before putting the effort into bringing them back

[crisp canyon]

They’ll probably return next year, aaron seems interested bringing them back

[crimson wren]

Why do the videos don't have them?

Also, were the videos in chronological order?

[spare fox]

you'd have to watch a playthrough to get all the lore in them. There IS a video of the cutscenes from Retribution in the game's lore tab.
For Archives, they were released in non-chronological order. Uprising (9 years ago), Retribution (10 years ago), Storm Rising (8 years ago)

and then for the PlayOW YT, the oldest stuff was uploaded first so, you'll have to go back if you want the oldest stuff

[crisp canyon]

Just look up Overwatch complete timeline and find the most recent one that’s up to date, there’s a quite a few videos of ppl going over a quite bit of things without all the unnecessary stuff

[crimson wren]

Okay, so which game event in the game that tells the lore. What were all the names?

[spare fox]

The Archives missions are: Uprising, Retribution, and Storm Rising

[edgy meadow]

have they uploaded it yet? i cant see it on the website

[shrewd pivot]

No idea sorry. I don't use webtoons

[edgy meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/toba-aquarium-baby-seal-head-bang-bobbing-nico-gif-20734369

oh ok its only in like 3 hours

still this is genuinely exciting news

[crimson wren]

Okay, and do I need to watch them in all of the lore material in chronological order or something?

[spare fox]

you don't really have to - but you would be better off if you did

most of the OW1 stuff is all "concurrent" or in the past

OW stuff is - Before the Recall, Recall-era responses to the Recall

then OW2 starts with Invasion and New Blood

[crimson wren]

Guess this is all I need to process. Thanks.

[spare fox]

yeah I don't think anything BEFORE Conquest would be any kind of spoiler for anything else in the lore

this season's new lore is where there are real spoilers, other than "soft spoilers" like 'Lucio joins Overwatch'... stuff like that's a given lol

[thorn moss]

This lore fitting?
April fools Dva idea:
class change to dps
Mech: removed
Health: base health increased by 200
Light gun: clip sized increased by 10 and rate of fire increased by 100%
Ability 1: gain a grenade with a cool down of 4 seconds
Ability 2: nano cola that self heals overtime up to 200hp
Ability 3: gain ability to overload gun sending out a charged bullet doing 100 damage and 40 splash damage cooldown of 8 seconds

[nocturne flint]

No?

When did u see Dva use weapons outside of gameplay

Shes a pilot not a combatant

[crisp canyon]

This isn’t even April fools this is just a whole new character

[thorn moss]

The cinematic

The cinematic is literally her using weapons to defeat the gwishin

[nocturne flint]

its her mechs weapons

Do u ever see her throwing yams or hand to hand with someting

[thorn moss]

It’s a joke concept not like she’d be that way permanently

[nocturne flint]

İ kinda wish she could tho

[thorn moss]

It would be funny if we got out of mech Dva in April fools

Or just increase her health by 1000 and watch chaos ensue

1000+ health baby Dva with a pistol

[nocturne flint]

Oh God

[thorn moss]

Imagine just running around with a pistol and being unkillable

[nocturne flint]

Scariest shit ever

[thorn moss]

No mech no problem

[nocturne flint]

That pistol deals crazy damage with no falloff btw

[crisp canyon]

This is just hog as dps

[odd slate]

oh april fools day

thats why its bird watch

lol

[past copper]

So John Wick?

[mental rain]

the "lyre" discussion is clever wordplay tho

[fickle roost]

Lore: lore

[twilit patrol]

Lyre

[elfin bane]

i thought bird watch cuz new hero has bird type guy

[thorn moss]

I’m aware, it’s just hard to hit and you have low hp

[digital linden]

so morocco seems likely for the new hero then?

i’m personally wanting barbados now after someone said her drone looks like a flying fish lol

[spare fox]

Another "Lucio-down" cliffhanger (if you don't go for the next 4 eps)

[keen folio]

Ngl with you idk what the lyre chat was before the birdification

[digital linden]

lore

[merry mason]

talon guys in the comic felt like they just stood there.

[peak escarp]

have you ever played Archives? that's what they do

[crisp canyon]

I haven’t seen anything for morroco tbh

[shrewd pivot]

Huh ig you don't need to make a webtoons account to read the comics, it's free to read even without an account. Pardon for my incorrect info!

The tags for the webtoon cracked me up

I think using Juno as intro for new readers was a smart idea for POV, even if its a bit nonsensical Juno didn't know about Talon after all this time.

Over all decent comic, but there's some color inconsistency if that was Juno's dad (eye dropper tool exists, please use it ow comics...)

I am hype to see more character interactions

And Tracer helping Juno focus via a 'race ya! game' was sweet

[past copper]

Note worthy. First new Talon unit in decades. Shield units. Didn't see a weapon with them tho

[shrewd pivot]

Oh was it? Neat!

[past copper]

Maybe they carry something like electric batons or frag launchers later on

[shrewd pivot]

Maybe it is Domina provided vishkar shield tech in use if those Talon troopers are a new unit 🤔

[past copper]

She did since they hardlight shields

Last time we ever saw Talon with shields was in New Blood with a metal shield

[shrewd pivot]

This is kinda cool, I hope it carries to later in the comic with Talon affiliates having cool shield tech

From the promo image for next chapter 4, Ana is in it

It does feel... idk a bit odd Sojourn and Tracer return in a ship with no reinforcements from Zurich to Gibraltar. I presume it's for action scenes but there's really no more backup...?

Atleast the defenses being down are explained

#CatisSpy /j

[peak escarp]

why would they have reinforcements?

[shrewd pivot]

A single ship flying to help into comms down with no reinforcements seems a bit nonsensical, but I presume it was to set up the action scene.

[peak escarp]

what were they supposed to do, turn around and go back?

[shrewd pivot]

Have more than a single ship with them bc of strategy... Sojourn fought null sector and stealth was a thing then, it would be sus now to not have comms

And turn back to Zurich? Nah,

Like I said, it was probably just set up for the action scene

[peak escarp]

why would they need more than the two of them to meet the IJC?

they weren't expecting a fight

[shrewd pivot]

They don't, I am talking about the return with comms down.

The ship Sojourn and Tracer had seemingly didn't have stealth, so it would be a bad idea to fly in with no comms

[peak escarp]

they wanted to save the other agents

they didn't have time to go get help

I assume the comms went down after they had already left Zurich

[shrewd pivot]

Yes, I get that, what i mean is how it was done seems like a "sitting duck" rather that strategy commander.

Everything else was paced fine imo

[peak escarp]

I think it's more of a calculated risk to save the other agents

and the fact that they arrived just in time to save Juno means it was worth the risk

[shrewd pivot]

Maybe? To me it felt like... the pacing had it happen "small" as in, Sojourn and the crew didn't seem like it was high stakes enough when they landed? I get WHY it happened, I just think it could have been paced slightly different to feel higher stakes and less "small"

Really my only real concern is the Juno dad thing, the rest is a good POV for new ppl to overwatch lore catching up with Juno learning about things

[wind wind]

wait wait to clairfy frankie is releated to helix right..?

or

[shrewd pivot]

No, Frankie was a hacker for Deadlock gang.

[wind wind]

OH

okay

an hacker?

sombra level or?

[shrewd pivot]

Not nearly Sombra level, but Frankie was/is a talented hacker.

The new hero 51 most likely is not Frankie

[crisp canyon]

I’ve been trying to figure out if there’s any significance of the pink in 51s design if there is a cultural tie to it I think top ideas are based on if the drone is a flying fish inspo: Barbados national flower is called the pink pride of Barbados and is a hot pink with a bit of orange accent, if it’s based on a based on a bird tho there are few things it could take inspiration from and point to either Philippines, South Africa, Columbia

Overall I think most likely she probably is from 1. Barbados
2. Philippines 3. South Africa

[digital linden]

yeah

they all sound pretty likely

[shrewd pivot]

Ohh interesting! Cool info

[past copper]

You know what we're not thinking about people? There is one innocent soul who just might struggle in fighting against Talon...

Bastion

[shrewd pivot]

Comms down for Bastion must be scary actually

Mercy, JPC, and Bastion were supposed to be in Anran comic, but ye