lore-discussion

[jade linden]

But we'll never see it

[silent shore]

Oh I gotta read that! But I meant in a Cinematic fight or something

[jade linden]

Have you read masquerade?

Good doom comic

[peak escarp]

I prefer comics and short stories and novels - you get a lot more time with the character PLUS you get their internal thoughts and descriptions

[silent shore]

Oh yeah I saw that one! I remembered it for Jester Sombra lol

[peak escarp]

just compare the text versions of this season's lore drops to the youtube videos of the VA reading

[jade linden]

Lol

[peak escarp]

so much detail is lost

[silent shore]

Really excited for what they'll do with Sombra in lore hopefully too. I LOVE the idea of her teaming up with Soldier 76 and Illari

[jade linden]

Yeah

Shows show more emotion

[silent shore]

We have little snippets in interactions in-game but I don't think they're confirmed as canon yet so far

[jade linden]

Esepecially freedom

[peak escarp]

interactions are hypothetical

like playing with action figures

[jade linden]

Invincible, SWTCW, Arcane, Avatar, etc.

I do like comics though

[peak escarp]

I want them to do another multi-part comic, like New Blood or London Calling

[tidal crystal]

Lf duo/ friends 18+

[digital linden]

anie fuck off

[past copper]

So can't wait to see the Iceland map. See this big bad highly secure facility that housed the most dangerous criminals and confiscated weaponry

You know. Hearing that out loud, you gotta ask just what was Overwatch thinking by doing that?

You don't house highly dangerous criminals and unknown weapons under the same maximum security prison roof

[jade linden]

Wait, there's a new map??

[peak escarp]

coming in a few seasons

[jade linden]

Ooooo

Is it multiple maps or just the one?

Also, do we know what type of game mode or we dunno?

[heady wigeon]

I know many people want Vendetta to loose…but I want her to get her revenge first before she dies. I personally think a villains call to fame isn’t there words, it’s their actions. Vendetta sorta proved that she was a big threat by taking care of doom fist—notice i didn’t say kill—but I want her to talk out maybe Reaper or even Genji.

Just someone from black watch

[jade linden]

I kinda agree, I wanna see where it all goes

[brittle sky]

A couple broken up across seasons

[heady wigeon]

Also to follow up on my last question. If Mercy did tell everyone at Overwatch who Reaper was, it truly doesn’t show in his interactions with everyone.

Specifically the people he graduated with—Winston, Mercy, Genji, Tracer etc. I feel like there should be a cinematic that shows us the reveal of Reaper.

My idea? A live broadcasting of Reaper’s “execution” via Vendetta’s hands. The fight is close but Reaper gets killed—then to Moira wanting to test a theory about resurrection or something—and it gets revealed who reaper is.

Personally this could be because Overwatch did win the majority vote most recently against Talon. So with Vendetta slowly getting more and more desperate she may true to kill her subordinates if she sees them as weak.

[brittle sky]

I don't think they articulated her as prioritizing other specific revenge. They had her fixate her vengeance on her inheritance and therefore doom. While characters speculate there will be other reprisals, her focus is on being cobra commander or whatever global conquest she's up to.

[heady wigeon]

This would satisfy many players regarding Doom fist fate—because it wasn’t power that made him an effective Talon villain. He had the mind of a leader, even if he didn’t do dealings in the materialistic world. His battles were fought through philosophy, while Vendetta physical battle leaves her open to psychological warfare and being worn out:

[heady wigeon]

Yeah definitely. But I’m saying this more as a sign of her declining mental health. She doesn’t have the mindset of a leader. Too rash, arrogant, and only does dealings with fear and physical might to overpower foes.

“But what about those who aren’t afraid?” What about those who are stronger than her? Who push her to her absolute limits?

Well…when backed into a corner, a wild animal can be very unpredictable.

I would say kill Sombra but she left Talon so that’s off the table. Meaning next big story beat probably won’t be with Sigma for a while.

That’s why I kinda want to move more into Reaper stuff. Finally gives Solider 76 some perspective as to who orchestrated that bomb all those years ago. It would be so crazy with Vendetta knew about that…and if she worked for someone who did the deed.

But I doubt it

[peak escarp]

Reaper isn't her subordinate - he left when she took over

[meager geyser]

Moira LITERALLY works for her 😭

[civic lynx]

Left is the Japan night map for season 3 (June) and right is the Iceland map that will be for season 5 or 6, we don’t know what mode either of them will be yet

[meager geyser]

My guess is that Tokyo is flashpoint and Iceland is control

[sand veldt]

Is reaper gay or not I’m struggling to separate fanfic from reality now

[twilit patrol]

No

[median orchid]

Isnt like Reaper x Soldier like a popular ship lol?

But no, Reaper had a wife and kid before he 'died' in the Overwatch HQ explosion and joined talon IRC

It was shown in that one christmas comic if i remember correctly. So pretty sure hes straighttt

[civic lynx]

Yeah it’s quite popular as a fan ship bc old men yaoi is loved, blizzard themselves have never entertained it tho

[keen summit]

Old men + enemy to lovers slaves

Same with widow and tracer, basically same situation, widow had straight relationship but cuz widow and tracer hate eachother, they must actually love eachother!

[meager geyser]

Yeah, ngl I hate enemies to lovers trope/ships

They're never good

[keen summit]

They CAN be good if theyre grounded

The issue is that people just kinda go woth them as if slapping toys together

[median orchid]

Yeah definetly not like Widow X Tracer like what?

Its like if JFK's wife married Lee Harvey Oswald. Doesnt make any sense.

TLDR most fics kinda suck

[meager geyser]

Name one good enemies to lovers ship

I'm really curious

[median orchid]

How many of those even are there aside from Widow x Tracer, Reaper x Soldier ...

Genji x Hanzo?

[keen summit]

Its usually in actual romance stuff, cant name one quickly rn but what it requires is actually yknow, in story them getting more friendly of closer, show them actually yknow, losing their hate

[keen summit]

In ow alone or in all of media?

[median orchid]

In OW specifically

[keen summit]

Btw icl its also noticeable that these enemy to lover ships are generally same gender ships

[meager geyser]

GENJI X HANZO EXISTS?!

[keen summit]

Ig ram dva

[meager geyser]

WTF?!

[median orchid]

Jeesus christ

[keen summit]

Its shockingly one of the most popular ones of recent times

Moira mercy is popular too

[median orchid]

Orissa x Doomfist ... I mean ... They are Enemies so ...

Does that exist

[keen summit]

Not really

[median orchid]

Cuz it would be weird since ... Orisa was made by Efi ... A 12 Year old ...

[keen summit]

Zarya sombra i think had a short time alive

[meager geyser]

This one is the most random ship oat
Even if you want to give Rammatra a human partner to give him some character growth or something, it still leaves a question of... Why D.Va?

[median orchid]

I guess the Mech?

[keen summit]

Ive talked to someone about it to explain how it doesnt work

But basically mechanic

[median orchid]

Why not like Ramattra x Zenyatta ... Would make perfect sense really

[keen summit]

Thats all

[keen summit]

Not enemies

[median orchid]

But nah lets pair him with Korean Gamer Streamer

[keen summit]

But people ship em too

[meager geyser]

Also Ram would not be able to love a human. He might become something similar to a friend with one, but he would never be a lover

[keen summit]

Yea

[median orchid]

Ramattra is like the #1 Misanthrope

[meager geyser]

When you know a ship is just a very weird fetish, but you just can't prove it

[median orchid]

Though he has been shown to be neutral to people like in the interactions

[keen summit]

Its just gap

Thats all

But it's insanely popular

[median orchid]

Gotta be something to do with the Extra arms...

[keen summit]

Ig one part is that dva is into omnics too

Cuz she thinks bob is cute

[median orchid]

NGL bob is cute

[keen summit]

Lots find ram hot even without that

[median orchid]

With his funny little hat on

[meager geyser]

I could see a plotline where Rammatra tries to understand humans and maybe starts feeling sympathy towards some of them, but having a romantic relationship is out of the question, let's be real

[keen summit]

Its just self insert i can fix him

[median orchid]

Toxic "I can fix them" fanfic count +1

[keen summit]

Tbf actual development on any hero to hero love isnt happening

We've had hints for years but nothing actually happens

[median orchid]

Yeah like Genji x Mercy

Before it was canned cuz its kinda iffyyy

[keen summit]

Imho pharah mercy which is pushed more now is more iffy

Cuz of the whole "i was your moms colleague and knew you when you were 12" part

I get that she was 17 but its still kinda odd

[median orchid]

Yeah and having relations with a person you have repaired and rebuilt from near paralysis as a doctor goes against like all Ethics of doctors

[keen summit]

Bap x lw also doesnt go anywhere tho theyre implied to have had a date

[median orchid]

Its like Gross when I think about it more

[median orchid]

Who wouldnt wana tho?

[keen summit]

The power imbalance is tbe issue

The idea that oh we break up so i stop treating

[median orchid]

Yep

Like having relations with a paralyzed person or an otherwise dependant person is just hideous TBH. It can become toxic and dangerous so fast

Like it really makes me think if Mercy is the beacon of ethics like shes presented as

While im pretty sure she didnt mean any harm with it, its still nasty

[keen summit]

Tbf her having feelings but not dating is yknow still good ethics

[meager geyser]

I am coping that Freja x Emre is real

[heady wigeon]

So? Doesn’t mean she likes them all that much. Sigma works for her and see how she treats him?

[heady wigeon]

Oh right I forgot about this. She could still kill him—still for vengeance but idk what would really push her over the edge to do so.

[meager geyser]

If she wants to kill someone from Blackwatch, she can just go to the next room

Like she's literally under her nose

[heady wigeon]

Who from black watch—besides Moira—would be in that next room? Just asking

[meager geyser]

Just Moira I think

[dawn topaz]

Yeah it's only like 4 people and one is in Overwatch, one is living his cowboy fantasies, one left Talon and one is hot (Moira)

[dawn topaz]

But there's also a romantic aspect to it

Atleast I assume that's what "a farewell to arms" is about

Based on the family guy clip

Gency is awesome

But it doesn't matter if you are a Pharmercy or Gency fan, because Moicy solos all with toxic yuri

[heady wigeon]

She doesn’t have much motivation to kill her though. Reaper makes more sense even though he’s not working for her at the moment

[meager geyser]

You said you want to see Vendetta to have revenge on someone from Blackwatch

Moira is right there

[dawn topaz]

Tbh given Vendetta's view on life I don't think she cares that much anymore

Reaper is little more than a tool in her eyes

Doomfist was the one who took what's hers

And even he wasn't killed

[brittle sky]

Y'all need to get up on your shipping tropes. Reaper76 is lovers to enemies not enemies to lovers. dvattra's appeal was literally talked about earlier too.

[brittle sky]

That seems phrased not great. Sure you can talk about power dynamics and specific issues with shipping rebuilder and rebuilt, but the notion that people with paralysis or mobility dependence getting relationships is in itself hideous seems off, yeah?

[median orchid]

Yeah bad word choice nothing wrong with having a relationship with a paralytic or disabled person

Unless you use that power to exploit them.

My problem is the potential for exploitation. Not people in general having relationships with people with such conditions.

Avarage English as a second language moment 💀

[heady wigeon]

If Vendetta was getting more and more desperate to win the war—which she probably will considering how she lost the popularity vote—I could see it. I doubt anyone expects Moira to die…especially from Vendetta’s hands.

[brittle sky]

I do wish we got more like mainline story media. After the initial burst it was all character stories, with anran's piece just also portraying the gibraltar attack. We may get a follow up/summary at the end of the season, but going from two pieces to one means it will have to sum up everything, rather than having a summary/conclusion and then something else to portray something next or something on the side.

[sand veldt]

Motherfucker

What

[meager geyser]

Yeah, it also made me confused
Personally I don't see any issue with Mercy x Genji. They're both adults after all (and without some crazy age gap like Mercy x Phara 💀)

[brittle sky]

people do incest ships. It's a pretty basic taboo, and people enjoy crossing lines. It's the internet.

[brittle sky]

Crazy age gap of 5 years? Is that a crazy age gap now?

[meager geyser]

5 years? I thought it was like at least 10 years

[digital linden]

they’re both in their mid to late thirties LMFAOOO

[brittle sky]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/mercy/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/pharah/ 39 and 34

[meager geyser]

We all know that those ages are bs for multiple reasons

Phara is not 34

Let's be real

[brittle sky]

what? How are we doubting pharah being 34?

[meager geyser]

That would make Mercy on that overwatch crew photo 19 if Phara was 14

I don't think you can finish medical college at 19

[brittle sky]

I think the estimated ages are like 12 and 17, yeah. Mercy was a college student visiting her family friend torb in the photo.

And like, if we think there's contradictions between an image's side information and what is written as explicitly true, I'd be prone to believe the established timeline of ages, not an artist's portrayal given the illustrator could have been given faulty or incomplete information. It's not like it's photographic evidence.

[dawn topaz]

Tbh the photo looks wonky all around

Something that isn't uncommon with OW given the image of what looks like a toddler training with the Shimada Brothers

[spare fox]

yeah yeah Kiriko's age in her bio is wrong, if we go by the math of Sojiro's death, she should be 26

[crisp canyon]

I’d put kiri more in 28-30

[dawn topaz]

I love to headcanon her as being insecure about her age and trying to appear younger by lying about her age and having that "how do you do fellow kids" personality

[spare fox]

Doc six has posted the math multiple times

[dawn topaz]

Like "hell yeah besties let's eat donuts and ride bikes and so on because we are awesome!!!"

Kiri is older than Tracer but visually and personality wise you'd think she's not even in her twenties

[crisp canyon]

Kiri and Genji were a lot closer in age

Like at most I’d say Genji was 4yrs older and
Hanzo was like 3-5 older than Genji

So really kiri should be in her 30s

28 is just being generous

[thorn moss]

I’d definitely give her late 20s

Still makes it weird with the rest of the cast calling her a kid 😭

[brittle sky]

Kiriko is just one of many where they're caught between the two masters of A: wanting characters to be related to and involved with events/characters that would make them inherently older, and B: wanting characters to be consistently young as feasible, presumably to appeal to the youths.

All three of the initial ow2 heroes strained credulity with their ages (JQ had a full career as a famous wastelander, as successful gladiator, and then seized power in her society by 21 before having a 10 year reign, Kiriko is meant to be a quasi-peer of the shimada brothers while being like, 15 years younger, even sojourn's age was downplayed until it was pointed out it would mean her twin sister did a teen pregnancy.

[thorn moss]

Most people probably wouldn’t care if she was at least 26 tbh

Only people I could see being upset are the ones that actively try to ruin the game for others

[brittle sky]

Ow2 seems like it outright had a directive to make characters as young as possible.
Illari, Wuyang, Anran, Juno, Kiriko, Mizuki are all clustered late teens to early 20s;
Mauga, Lifeweaver, and Ram all have their ages gated by either peers (LW to Sym, Mauga to Bap) or the Omnic age generation.
Haz is meant to have a military career, injury, recuperation, entry into the Phreaks, then some amount of time working with them by 24 - possible, but requires everything to be very quick and very immediate.
Venture is meant to be an archeologist rep, but they're so young they don't even seem to be like, a grad student, just the kid of some archies that assists the actual scientists.
Freja is the oldest person whose age was not hard determined by the timeline at 34, and that's likely both because she's soft influenced by the timeline (she did work in the golden age ow) and because they clearly want people shipping her and Emre, a middle aged guy clearly around since the early golden age.
Vendetta becomes a powerful champion of the collesseo by... 21? (storm rising was 8 years before the present of ow2, doom's arrest was immediately after, and she was already established as fully in charge of the gladiators and even sending them to claim talon while she drank wine). Which puts her whole rise to become the undisputed champion and kingpin of that whole circuit in under 2 years. Now she's seized control of Talon while being demonstrably younger than every member there. Even as a young usurper figure, it feels thin, makes her rise feel more brittle and narratively mandated.
Emre is 44, which is... one year less than the absolute minimum. He's meant to be one of if not the first recruit to the strike team post crisis, and we know he was the combat medic on the mission that injured rein and torb and was before brig's birth. She's 25 so he was... 19 there. Their first expert recruit was barely legally in the army. But he has to smooch Freja, so better deflate those years.

[dawn topaz]

the fucking uhh

Highschool Kiriko spray with the ridiculous short skirt

All to make her this super young asian

If only they already had that...

[thorn moss]

Hana is already canonically 21 in story

[brittle sky]

Ancient. Put her out to pasture

[peak escarp]

you consider this a ridiculous short skirt?

[thorn moss]

Got to sell those skins

[peak escarp]

well, I guess it is for a school uniform

[thorn moss]

Cash cow has to produce

[peak escarp]

but it's pretty normal for anime

[dawn topaz]

Yeah, that's what I mean

It's somewhat anime-fanservicey

[brittle sky]

but recluse. They couldn't do an entire 1:1 kpop group. the collabs, recluse. How can they do collabs if their characters are all unique and interesting?!

[dawn topaz]

I always find it funny being called Recluse

She's the next Tank hero trust

[brittle sky]

I mean it's like... 1/3 of the way down the thigh? Definitely on the indulgent side of 'anime that wants to show off panty shots' rather than reflect anything like actual school uniforms.

[peak escarp]

anime school uniforms are often like that

irl school uniform skirts go past the knee

[dawn topaz]

Some might say that's still too long

But Blizzard would never ever sexualize Kiriko like that because they are cowards and ruin the game and larp larp larp

[peak escarp]

at least all the skins in the game that have short skirts have safety shorts underneath

[dawn topaz]

They uhh, gave the 2B skin actual underwear!!!

[thorn moss]

That’s why all the gooners left for rivals 😭

[dawn topaz]

How am I supposed to play Overwatch now...

[peak escarp]

the skins are sexy but not sexualized

[brittle sky]

(rivals is low key doing more varied female character design than ow of late)

[thorn moss]

Good; too much over sexualization these days

[peak escarp]

agreed

[dawn topaz]

We should actually sexualize more so that eventually, nothing will be seen as sexy anymore

when everyone's sexualized, nobody is

[thorn moss]

Sexy ram skin when?

[dawn topaz]

Any ram skin when?

[thorn moss]

It’s ok as long as it’s zen

[thorn moss]

Yeah, where’s that sexy roadhog skin we all want

[brittle sky]

Sexualization should be a specifically deployed design choice. It's fine if a character has specific allure as part of what makes them interesting or what articulates their character. the problem is when sexualization is just the presumed default we throw at characters (particularly femme characters), to the point we fail to articulate their character in the name of ensuring they look cute/pretty/sexy. It's boring design work, it's bad character variation, and it feeds all the worst people in gamer culture.

[dawn topaz]

Lifeguard Roadhog is right there

[thorn moss]

If they were they should do it to male characters. Ow has some pretty fine male cast members

[peak escarp]

Cassidy's mythic is pretty fanservice-y

[thorn moss]

Too bad it’s more god slop

The divine stuff was fine at first but now it feels over saturated

[sand veldt]

Doesn’t mean it’s right

[sand veldt]

Have you seen the Mauga sticker

[spare fox]

yeah well the people you're getting outraged on behalf of are fictional so

[thorn moss]

Genzo was not on my 2026 bingo

[sand veldt]

Your point

[peak escarp]

Genzo has been a thing in the community since Genji was revealed in 2016

[thorn moss]

Mmmh, big buff man

[spare fox]

the point is there is no point in being outraged over it

[sand veldt]

Who said I was outraged? It’s just weird and kinda disgusting

[spare fox]

just because something happens in fiction does not mean people condone it happening in real life

[sand veldt]

Don’t forget my main

[thorn moss]

Ram is the hottest character in game, prove me wrong

[sand veldt]

Actually come to think of it why does ram have so many people thirsting for him

[thorn moss]

[sand veldt]

“AGONY IS GRAPE FLAVOURED”

[heady wigeon]

This!

[thorn moss]

The voice and overall vibe

[dawn topaz]

He's big, he's hot

He has a smooth face

people like that

[sand veldt]

We need more lore for Ram, Hazard and Mizuki

[thorn moss]

Blizzard, where’s the ram fan service? There’s certainly a market for it

[sand veldt]

And Emre but I’m biased, I like god stuff

[heady wigeon]

I think Winston is hot…like his personality is very attractive

[sand veldt]

Even if it’s a machine

[sand veldt]

Don’t people ship ram and dva

[heady wigeon]

Not trying to be weird or anything—but if Winston was a girl with that personality I would love to date.

[sand veldt]

Wonder if he’d despise her or be nice

[thorn moss]

Yes. ||I do personally||

[heady wigeon]

I like wholesome relationships ❤️

[sand veldt]

Tbf ram can be a wholesome guy

[dawn topaz]

yes

[sand veldt]

I love his interaction with bastion where he offers to help him look for twigs for his bird

One of my favs

[heady wigeon]

Yeah…if you get beyond his magento like tendencies then yeah.

[thorn moss]

It likely start off as enemies then grow into something more once they understand each other like how they have similar motivations

[heady wigeon]

And if you’re his kind…

[dawn topaz]

I think Ramattra has potential to be a very nice guy if he wasn't actively trying to fight genocide with genocide

[thorn moss]

Like they both want to help their respective people to the point of being self destructive

[brittle sky]

magneto can be a wholesome guy

[dawn topaz]

which, granted, he has stopped doing for the time being

[sand veldt]

Come to think of it, what IS Emre now?

[heady wigeon]

Yeah…but he did retreat his forces when he could’ve won. So it’s not all bad

[sand veldt]

Demigod, technically

Demigodmachine

[brittle sky]

I mean at no point did he fight genocide with genocide. More 'fight a genocide with a mass forced rapture with side casualties'

[heady wigeon]

Can be is the key word. He’s mellowed out a lot since those days.

[dawn topaz]

I'm sure if he would kill all humans if he had to

But yes, the point isn't revenge

[thorn moss]

I believe this is partly why people ship him with Dva

[dawn topaz]

but to make humans understand

to make humans change their mind

[sand veldt]

Rams number one priority is survival for his race

That and that alone

[heady wigeon]

I…don’t see how the terror of the first robot war is being “changed” by rams actions.

[sand veldt]

Rams an anti villain

[heady wigeon]

That’s why I kinda like and don’t like about his ideology. He’s designed to be a hypocrite who knows he’s a hypocrite

[heady wigeon]

Yeah I know.

[dawn topaz]

Ram's a bit of an idiot

[sand veldt]

🤨

[dawn topaz]

He's desperate

[brittle sky]

I don't think he was aiming to kill all humans, is the thing, despite how people kinda assumed that's what the null crisis was

[last wren]

I'm all-star support looking to have fun with hopefully a full stack in Stadium, who wants to join in 10 min?

[sand veldt]

Lfg channel bro

[dawn topaz]

The most realistic part about Overwatch is how similar to discrimination towards omnics is to real life examples of all the different -isms and phobias and how history repeats itself because humans are awful beings

[heady wigeon]

It’s always interesting to me when this happens in media. Mag and ram do things to protect their people, while quite literally giving more fuel to the fires of hate and fear for their existence.

While at the same time we gotta respect hot dedicated they are to the craft of violence. Only a man so desperate for change could be so blind to the negative effects of it.

But Ram and Mag aren’t blind either. Nor are they simply “man.”

[dawn topaz]

It's like Ramattra is some kind of...Man of Steel...

perhaps even...an Iron Man

[sand veldt]

Desperation can blind you even if you’re a genius

Kinda like ram

[heady wigeon]

Hot take—I think the first omnic war is one of the best depictions of irl discrimination. And how it fuels the systems we live in today.

[dawn topaz]

The thing is, negative memories are far stronger than positive ones

Maybe Mondatta's way was working

But in the eyes of Ramattra, all he saw was that assassination

[heady wigeon]

But we would never know for sure. That’s the sad part.

[dawn topaz]

Trying to solve things peacefully gets you killed

[sand veldt]

I love zen and ram’s relationship as a side note

[heady wigeon]

Me too.

[dawn topaz]

THEY ARE BROTHERS

[brittle sky]

Sure, I think those things make it important that the guy whose motives and words are all taken from black liberation people (man quotes malcom and martin constantly) isn't portrayed as doing a reverse genocide.

[sand veldt]

Yeah, I know

I meant like, connection bro

[heady wigeon]

😂

[dawn topaz]

I know, I'm doing this thing called "pulling one's leg"

[sand veldt]

[brittle sky]

also, if people are calling relationships between people in a shared monastic order that use familial terminology incesty, I have bad news about historic monastary life

[heady wigeon]

I wish the lunar colony would play a bigger role in the story

It’s so disconnected in an interesting way…but maybe it’s best that it is frozen in time. Maybe.

[sand veldt]

Thing is they legitimately see each other as brothers

Not just a title

There’s the difference

[heady wigeon]

[sand veldt]

I hope we learn more about what’s going on with sigma and emre

[heady wigeon]

The EYE CONSPIRACY

[sand veldt]

lol

[heady wigeon]

what if it were aliens?

[sand veldt]

Don’t the recent voicelines imply Sigma is becoming more lucid

[dawn topaz]

I mean if Tracer can do it

[sand veldt]

Oh, and more angry

[heady wigeon]

And Emere was part Alien. Sigma ‘s black whole experiment made him touch with the interface of this alien species

[sand veldt]

Emre is bonded to Chernobog

[heady wigeon]

One born of the black hole. And he’s slowly getting taken over by it, but it is repressed by those around him. Since humans are more emotionally charged than Aliens would be.

[sand veldt]

God-Machine

Like Anubis but not evil

[heady wigeon]

Does anyone else see Sigma snapping as him just…going numb?

[sand veldt]

I’d say cold not numb

And a lucid, angry, cold sigma would be the scariest villain we’ve ever had

Especially if he has control over his powers

[heady wigeon]

Like what if he just stops caring. He’s not mad he got used, he’s not mad he lost his life to his work. He’s not tired either. He’s so lost in himself that every emotion had gone silent.

And all he can feel and hear is just…the noise of the black hole.

[sand veldt]

Combined with him being a genius…

[heady wigeon]

I meant more so numb to emotion. Cold in demeanor yeah

[sand veldt]

Also, he’s the most powerful character in the verse isn’t he

[dawn topaz]

Ehh

He's potential man no. 1238123

[sand veldt]

Although now Emre is here

[dawn topaz]

Everyone is "the most powerful character in the verse" if you hype them up enough

[sand veldt]

Except Mei

And mercy

And bap

[meager geyser]

The evil AI when Sigma throws a black hole at it

[sand veldt]

And soldier

[meager geyser]

Tho tbf Zarya can also do that

[dawn topaz]

I mean...you could make the argument for Soldier

[sand veldt]

He’s a normal dude isn’t he

[dawn topaz]

He's basically Captain America

with the whole Super Soldier schtick

same with Reaper

Reaper is evil Captain America

[sand veldt]

Ik they’re nanites but

I wish Rams abilities were Discord

Like zens purple stuff

[heady wigeon]

It’s not? That’s so lame. 😒

[brittle sky]

The uh... metaphor of language is not a literal application. People refer to each other as 'brother' for all sorts of circumstances - solidarity, shared struggle, general intimacy. That's not to say you can't regard their dynamic as more interesting as platonic, I don't particularly ship that pair (or ship in general), but we're just hunting to be scandalized if we flatten metaphoric language like that.

people are going to ship the prof x. robot with the magneto robot, let them do their thing.

[sand veldt]

I get the feeling you just like incest at this point

You’re defending it too much

[sand veldt]

Ye ik

[brittle sky]

I'm not defending it, you dweeb

[sand veldt]

Maybe they just wanted him to have a more unique design than purple mist

Which Moira and Zen already have

[merry mason]

You can't be defending what isn't there

[sand veldt]

I will when I get my major perk bro

[sand veldt]

This might be the most cursed image I’ve ever seen

[crisp canyon]

Stop sharing white face Lucio

[vast swift]

emres encrypted part of his lore is 676 chars long

.....

did i just get 67-rolled by ow?

[sand veldt]

It’s also apparently an “angel number”

[vast swift]

but misclick means the opposite lmao

what do u guys think Emre's 2nd lore bit says?

[civic lynx]

IIRC most of it is just indecipherable gibberish but the first like 2 lines is deciphered into “WARNING: CHERONOBOG-BYPASS INITIATED” and the final line translates to “WE ARE WATCHING”

[languid nacelle]

i wonder if chernabog will get its ovn character at somepoint and leave emre's body

[brittle sky]

I think his mode's gibberish name might be meant to be a cipher for it somehow.

[spare fox]

that is interesting to wonder about: how will Emre eventually being freed of Chernobog affect his in-game abilities?

I guess really it's the chiphon pistol and the ultimate

[brittle sky]

i mean, he also manifests his main gun, and also his reload. Probably also his grenades

[grim condor]

Why does Ramattra breathe

[glass scaffold]

Wait u have a point...

[thorn moss]

Perhaps it’s his cooling system that uses “breathing” to expel the hot air

[vast swift]

ok

the thing is ive seen lots of it looking like a URL or its had repeating strings

[civic lynx]

I think people did theorise there’s some sort of repeated phrase throughout but I never saw anything come from that

[vast swift]

ok

[sand veldt]

I hope Chernobog doesn’t leave emres body

His kit would become less cool and so would his lore

[hallow quail]

preach

[jade linden]

White Lucio

[wind wind]

do we know anything about the noir omnic looking person for one of the new hero's?

[brittle sky]

Nope. One of the two that don't have compelling theories, partially because we don't know the theming or likely location/focus of that season.

[nocturne flint]

i hope he has an accent

Yk the smooth accent usually detectives have

[brittle sky]

would potentially depend on where he's based, I'm imagine

[wind wind]

uhh

do we at least know his role

[digital linden]

an omnic icelandic detective

i wouldnt complain at all

im only saying that due to the prison map teaser though

[brittle sky]

It seems likely he may be support, based on the reasonable guess that the remaining heroes are 2 damage, 2 support, and 1 tank, we know the season 2 hero is damage, and the big mech is almost definitely a tank.

[brittle sky]

Man, while omnics hit rep differently, we really don't need more north Europeans.

[wind wind]

tbh the onmic and the new one coming is the only one that interests

maybeee the hashimoto one too

[brittle sky]

New one as in season 2 or another one?

[inner pecan]

who up loreing

[peak escarp]

sup

[wind wind]

the one with the long braids or like turrets I think they said

[limpid frost]

Sigma is almost certainly hearing the music of the game itself.

Let me explain.

The zen-sig interaction, claiming he met iris, could mean he witnessed a higher plane of existence- or the real world.

He may be hearing the overwatch game music- but just doesn’t realize it

[wise grotto]

if the game we played was canon this would work

but it isnt

[fierce barn]

looking forward to being someone’s e kitten

[ember kettle]

🫩

[nocturne flint]

Do we have any knowledge abt the big mech

[past copper]

Only thing I think is that it was a security robot that got blown away by a potential new hero

[past copper]

Bet ya it was the mech hero. Because I can't see any of the other silhouettes having the fire power to blow a truck sized hole through a robot...

And the wall behind it

[civic lynx]

Most likely d.mon, a member of the MEKA squad with dva but im not entirely sure if we know much about their backstory/personality

[grave saddle]

Don’t reckon it will line up that way as the season with D.mon will probably focus on Australia. Don’t think we will have Australia and Iceland in the same season. Could do though

Think it’s more likely the omnic character on the left escaping. Or just Talon with some device

[thorn moss]

Introducing her would be an excellent opportunity to do a meka arc where Dva returns to Busan to assist MEKA in fighting either talon or gwishin and we learn more about dmon

[brittle sky]

That season notably has dva and the queen on its header

[thorn moss]

Looks like that season is meka focused

[brittle sky]

sure, but given the queen is also there, I would expect her to be a more likely villain than gwishin or talon

[odd slate]

could be a two-pronged approach?

[brittle sky]

possibly, but seems like a pretty quick to split focus for a season

[odd slate]

hmmmm true

i do still think the large silhouette is d.mon

maybe it would be like a "at the same time" deal?

so two seasons, taking place at the same point in time, one focusing on junker and the other on the gwishin

it would be cool to get more gwishin lore since im not sure if we've had more since d.va's animatic

im still brushing up on everything

[civic lynx]

I think the most recent is when busan’s meka base spawn was updated to have a news article saying a new EMP has been developed to temporarily but hopefully permanently stop the gwishin

[odd slate]

really?? dude that's fire, okay

i need to get more into the lore channels tbh, i like learning abt this stuff

so yeah, if the gwishin are handled then itll probably be a junker season

see how mauga handled them lmfao

[civic lynx]

I’ve had an idea for a bit that the EMP detonation will be d.mon’s launch cinematic to stop the gwishin “permanently” (it’ll come back later maybe as the main threat for a year or at least 1 or 2 seasons) and then mauga in junkertown is the storyline for S4 after launch

[sand veldt]

Who would win wuyang or mizuki

[peak escarp]

win in what?

[sand veldt]

Fight

Lore wise

[peak escarp]

probably Mizuki

he seems more experienced and more likely to take it seriously

[odd slate]

oo could see that 👀

[thorn moss]

Oooh that’s good. I could totally see this happening

[brittle sky]

It's possible the junkers finish their airship or whatever and go cruising up the pacific to korea

[spare fox]

Yeah the whole junker-adjacent story is like a whole deck of wildcards rn

Between the airship storyline
Queen v Mauga (potentially)
Where their loyalties will wind up bc there is a significant chance of any of them winding up with Talon, Overwatch, or neither and standing their ground

Not to mention what Vendetta potentially has to bargain with for the alliance

And the wildcard that is Mauga - the speculation he could defect to junkertown

[odd slate]

true

[hard nova]

Exclusive property of @thenovineuniverse on TikTok and YouTube

[odd slate]

if ball isn't the champion anymore, mauga could potentially step up

[digital linden]

that might be how he proves himself to junker queen to secure an alliance

[dawn topaz]

Notice how Vendetta sent Mauga instead of Domina because she was scared her girlfriend would leave her for someone who is her exact body type but bigger and buffer

[spare fox]

I think Ball is still the champ, but he does have his own storyline going on with Lucheng

[digital linden]

when do we think we’ll get the trailer for the next hero?

i’d assume in the last week of the season

[brittle sky]

JQ actually has the body and height Vendetta puts on her dating profile

[crisp canyon]

Probably either reveal in season trailer or day before launch

[civic lynx]

I’d assume within the last 5 to 3 days of the season with the S2 reveal trailer

[odd slate]

so within the next few weeks

[civic lynx]

S2 kicks off April 14th so April 8th, 9th or 10th (2 weeks from now) is most likely when we’ll get the trailer and new hero reveal

[spare fox]

And we still have one more lore drop this season, too

Possibly something that'll link this season to next

[thorn moss]

Which silhouette was slated to be released next?

[digital linden]

ive kinda accepted the new hero will likely be helix related (a well needed faction representation)

but im still holding out for frankie lol

[thorn moss]

Pharah partner maybe?

[digital linden]

if theyre helix they will probs have interactions together

[thorn moss]

Ow definitely has a lot of factions with minimal representation

Like meka, helix, phreaks, null sector

[digital linden]

if referring to the recent teasers it mentioned a new high ranking personal just got stationed in grand mesa, so thats who it could be

[digital linden]

yeah definitely

[thorn moss]

Even Hashimoto. (Mizuki doesn’t really count as Hashimoto since he’s conflicted)

[digital linden]

dmon is basically confirmed for meka, im personally wanting that far-left feminine silhouette to be a null sector aligned hero

[digital linden]

yh thankfully theres one coming in s3

[thorn moss]

Perhaps we get a rival null sector arc

Blizzard is great at making factions then just never touching them again

[digital linden]

yeah. love the worldbuilding for new factions but in-game rep is much better so it seems theyre doing a lot of that this year

[thorn moss]

If they’re Hashimoto i definitely want them committed to being Hashimoto till the end

[thorn moss]

I hope so. MEKA has existed since the beginning and they haven’t touched on it since

[digital linden]

it seems that s3 will be yokai vs the hashimoto so i think itll be a proper die hard hashimoto member

and if it pans out, the next hero is a dps and if the one after is a support for s3, thatll be our first actual villain support since moira

[thorn moss]

Yes, we need more evil supports

[digital linden]

itll be really interesting to have another mech tank, wonder if she'll eject the same as dva

[thorn moss]

That would be interesting and if she did would she also have a pistol

But the pistol feels like Dva’s think so I’d hope they give her a different weapon

[digital linden]

her mech seems to have a sword, so she might just have a smaller sword/dagger she can pull out when she's ejected lol

that'd make it hard though. squishy hitbox and melee

[wind wind]

An mech but but having a more interesting de mech with skills would be cool

[thorn moss]

Perhaps she had throwing knives like Kiriko as a demech weapon

[digital linden]

ooo yeah maybe i didnt consider that

[thorn moss]

A ranged weapon if she’s having the 175hp like demech Dva

[brittle sky]

OW2 went at her with a boatload of ozempic and hair relaxer to get her game-ready, if that's the case.

[digital linden]

classic overwatch

[crisp canyon]

Frankie truthers we will not give up hope

[spare fox]

A darkhorse speculation for the S2 hero that I like is a Numbani hero

Someone pointed out the silhouette has what appears to be the same earring as Efi, plus the attention Numbani map has gotten

Of course, what is seen as an earring very well could just be a curl

I really don't think it's Frankie

[crisp canyon]

Overwatch be prepared for what will happen if this isn’t a black woman

Hero 51 will be black Ik it in my heart

[jagged delta]

hey guys i have a question about mizuki... Is he allies with the shimada or the hashimoto or is it something else... also is he a spy working for the hashimoto but the shimada dont know? im so confused by his lore i barely know anything about him yet

[crisp canyon]

Also where is ultra I haven’t seen em in here in a min now

[brisk notch]

@opal brook comp?

was ana yday

[thorn moss]

As far as i know he’s acting as a spy for the Hashimoto within the yokai but feels very conflicted and will likely flip later in the story

[odd slate]

ive seen rumors the horned woman next to mizuki is the hashimoto head

so that could very well be the hashimoto rep we get

more phreaks stuff would be super cool

their whole thing is really neat

[thorn moss]

More criminals to the roster

I feel like the Hashimoto are like a more powerful version of the yakuza that just so happened to take over the country

[odd slate]

most likely

more lore exposition would be amazing honestly, i want to know more about the different factions

ive been struggling to figure out who the silhouette all the way on the right is

with the long hair + drone? bird? thing

gives me freya vibes but iunno

[thorn moss]

Perhaps a helix hero

[odd slate]

perhaps

do we think talon would get more heroes (aside from the hashimoto lady)? rn i think ow has 23, so i wonder if talon is going to bolster their ranks with new heroes or the dev team will focus on absorbing already-established heroes

like the junkers

oh and there's all that stuff with emre and the finnish ai controlling him

[thorn moss]

Maybe absorbing the neglected factions first

Like meka and helix have existed since launch yet only one hero from each faction exists in game

[odd slate]

with meka i'm sure we'll get d.mon

helix though, maybe a different sect of the faction?

what we have now, all the characters have the same armor - the eagle(?)-type one pharah wears

[peak escarp]

the Raptora armor is worn by just her unit

other units in Helix probably have other specialties

[odd slate]

yeah thats what i was thinking

just dont know what other units there are

[wise grotto]

and our only helix agent we have isnt helix anymore to lol

[jovial nymph]

Lore reason that Birb reaper is a Birb?

[obsidian grotto]

A butter knife whose attack is a kind of dash to hide while Amazon sends a new mech

[mellow narwhal]

Good day. A question: would a civilian fleet in the Overwatch universe use Borda algae or Fusion core? I understand this is pure fantasy, but photosynthesis, even in still water, requires space and storage systems, and thermonuclear fusion is considered dangerous. For a civilian fleet, low cost, maximum payload, and minimal space loss are important.

[meager geyser]

That's a VERY specific question

[dawn topaz]

Crows/Ravens have been associated with death in pop culture since forever

[jovial nymph]

Hmm Birb reaper is a Birb

[dawn topaz]

The black feathers made them appear as harbingers of death, and plague doctor masks would also have beak-like shapes which added to the connection

The skin "Nevermore"'s name is a reference to the 1845 poem "The Raven"

[jovial nymph]

I see

In other words

Birb reaper is a Birb

[dawn topaz]

In which the titular raven appears by the side of a man who has suffered the loss of his lover

[jovial nymph]

I’ve read the poem

[brave dagger]

Can I ask something stupid & controversial about Venture?
||Since Venture is transgender non-binary character based on Wikia,what their birth gender based on their bodytype?FtM or MtF?||

[earnest willow]

I would say based on their voice alone, I assume assigned female at birth

[unborn oyster]

Not MtF or FtM but AFAB or AMAB

[crisp canyon]

Prob afab if u go off the va and a lot of the concept art imo seemed to lean more into a female

[brave dagger]

Make sense...as they had few facial features that looks somewhat feminine

[peak escarp]

we don't know and we will probably never know

and tbh it isn't important

[brittle sky]

I mean, we know like... 2 characters gender assignment at birth? And that's purely because it's the gender we saw them assigned at birth because some element of their birth has been portrayed.

Everybody else, even seemingly classically cis characters, we simply do not know.

[dawn topaz]

This

[dawn topaz]

Are all omnics technically trans because they didn't have ANY gender identity before the whole awakening

[brittle sky]

I mean that's a whole ontological debate on where gender exists at the intersection of description, social role, lived experience, and personal identity.

[thorn moss]

That just feels like people are putting too much effort into overthinking

[glad fox]

Is Ashe actually skilled as in game? Like from the reunion short it doesn't seem like it since she lost to Cassidy despite the huge number advantage and bob

[digital linden]

how omnics got their voices too and stuff. bc i know bastion is mute but variants like zen and ram can talk

they’re just so fascinating. glad we’re (likely) getting one or two soon

well, not mute. i mean the fact bastion speaks in beeps and boops kinda thing

[dawn topaz]

ramattra being able to speak is interesting

Zenyatta seemingly did have some kind of job akin to all the other waiter omnics and whatnot

But Ramattra's model was made for war

[brittle sky]

narrative, just like normal life, is really just what happens. It does not reflect any sort of absolute, quantifiable skill. She can be skilled and also have circumstances lead to her to lose to cassidy, whole crew and all.

[brittle sky]

Right, though he's somewhat inconsistent/dodgy on what it exactly was.

[brittle sky]

It seems likely like... vestigial. Ravagers resemble civilian omnics more than your OR-14/bastion style warbots, so it's likely that was the design basis, and for whatever reason anubis did not choose to remove the feature that let them speak

[meager geyser]

Anubis was feeling lonely and wanted someone to talk to him

[shrewd pivot]

Tbf Ravagers having vocalizing capabilities would be effective in warfare against humans. Impersonation of sounds, psychological warfare by speaking, etc.

Not that it's explicitly canon. But it does make sense for Ravagers built purposes

[dawn topaz]

Like some kind of...Terminator

[shrewd pivot]

By definition of the term transgender, if someone changes gender identity from the gender identity assigned at birth, yes.
So ye pretty much all awakened omnics would be under that definition, chose thier own pronouns and gender identities seemingly. Aurora canonically chose her own pronouns.

Orisa is possibly cisgender because she was built by Efi to be a lady robot and seemingly embraces that given identity. But Orisa isn't an awakened robot, it might be a situation like Athena for all we know.

[dawn topaz]

Echo would be in a similar case to Orisa, right?

[shrewd pivot]

Echo at creation was not sentient, and simply immitated what she saw. But Echo's story kind of implies she will develop into her own person/possibly her own sapient intelligence

Imo Echo uses Mina as a base, but only because Mina was the initial data to mimic. If Mina had been a man, then Echo would have been he/him and a base of a man.

I think as Echo learns more, Echo will develop a personality and become a unique being. So ig the best way to describe it is, Echo moght be gender fluid? Mina didn't seem to design Echo with the idea of Echo being specifically a woman, just a robot that learns from mimicry. Efi seemed to designed Orisa specifically as a feminine protector lady robot.

[thorn moss]

Ram could have simply installed one himself

[dawn topaz]

Maybe, but it is implied that he and Zen used to have deep talks way before he became evil and shit

I doubt Monk Ramattra would've made body modifications to himself

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah Monk Ramattra speaks in PvE too, it's probably canon Ramattra was able to speak verbally while being a Monk and not some "oh omnics telepathically speak to eachother"

[shrewd pivot]

Borda algae seemingly need a good amount of surface area to work.
With proper management, a fusion core would make the most sense. There's gravity technology (mag lev technology, as seen on the flying cars etc) that Sigma invented that could probably help stabilize the fusion core.

TLDR; i would write it with a fusion core.

[brittle sky]

Before he became evil revolutionary against the human oppressive pig-dogs and shit.

[shrewd pivot]

Venture, along with the rest of the cast, are unknown if the character is: female, intersex, or male.
As for gender assigned at birth (girl for example), there can be assumptions made for only a few heroes based on baby photos, etc.

Overwatch is scifi future and just like with prosthesis, there's probably advanced surgery technology. So you can't even "guess" AFAB or AMAB for Venture based on the cartoony body type, only headcanons exist.

TLDR; There is no canon confirmation for Venture, nor reasonable canon inference bc overwatch has futuristic body mods in canon.

(I say this as someone that enjoys various headcanons about characters btw! No hate intended, just talking canon here)

[odd slate]

the gender of heroes isn't really...it's not supposed to be the focus, yknow? they're just there. they exist, they're who they are, and i think that's neat. to me, the gender of characters isn't the focus

if they happen to be xyz, it's cool rep

that's how i see it

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah same

Tho, DVA notably is rather positive rep for women, atleast I have seen Korean women express appreciation for aspects of DVA being unapologetically effeminate and strong :)

(Edit: Some characters genders ARE just an aspect, but some do play with gender tropes, like Zarya being a lady strongman trope with neon pink hair)

[dawn topaz]

Moira the type of freak to developed sex-change in a bottle out of boredom

just a serum that bends the gender

[odd slate]

she can be an annoying jackwad but she's our annoying jackwad

[dawn topaz]

Also worth noting that we do live in a world where (unfortunately) the assumption of characters being hetero and cis unless stated otherwise prevails

[odd slate]

lowkey i dont think there's a single character lorewise that i despise

now kit wise....

(anran)

[dawn topaz]

realistically most heroes that aren't explicitly stated to be anything other than the society-wide accepted "norm" are gonna be part of that group

Because Blizzard is also a part of the society that makes those assumptions

[odd slate]

they make efforts to have rep tho

which is nice

[dawn topaz]

definitely

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah... that's why outright statements of rep are nice to see now and again :) I still appreciate rep like Baptiste and Tracer for example

[dawn topaz]

There's also the fact that they do look into the community for feedback

both gency and pharamercy have had references made to

which could be taken as implications of Mercy being bi or perhaps pan

[odd slate]

bi mercy....

[shrewd pivot]

ever since they started announcing rep at release, I think going forward for new heroes that's a reasonable inference.

For older characters tho, who is to say until they confirm it like with Pharah and Soldier76

[odd slate]

i like gency more than pharmercy tho, i will say that

[dawn topaz]

Moircy on top tbh

[odd slate]

everyone loves that one

and i'm like

tho i understand im not a big shipper and by and large don't interact with that culture

so ik im an outlier, so to speak

[dawn topaz]

We all have our different tastes

[shrewd pivot]

Genji and Mercy were involved, but aren't involved anymore

Pharah was written to be having a liking to Mercy

The rest is not canon

(As for my onion, I personally don't think Mercy should be in a relationship atm in canon lol)

[odd slate]

i do think some of the familial bonds are sweet too

[dawn topaz]

On the topic of gender and seeing characters as children in photos, I do wonder if stuff like Moira's "Foundation" Spray which shows her as a child fascinated with insects are canon

[odd slate]

the ye's, kiriko/the shimadas, even mizuki and kiriko

i havent played with brigitte/torb enough to hear their interacts

but im sure they're nice too

[dawn topaz]

The rest should be canon though

[odd slate]

mercy is too busy momming OW to be in a relationship

her and sojourn lmfao

[dawn topaz]

Mercy needs to be Eve getting enticed by the Snake that is Moira

Pushing her into a difficult position of being torn between her morals and her evil ginger girlfriend

[shrewd pivot]

the ship would be abusive.
If the lore handles it as unhealthy then ok... ig. but I am tired of Mercy romance writing blunders in canon tbh, let Mercy unpack her abandonment trauma please and let her date someone she didn't at 17 meet at 12/13, nor a patient she saved from death in a traumatic way.

[dawn topaz]

That's the fun part

It'd be like one nasty drug

So bad for you but you just can't quit

[shrewd pivot]

Sojourn and Mercy have so much to deal with. Mercy is #girlfailure too bc she doesn't have soft skills (people skills, that is), so... Sojourn really is the one that stepped up and is managing everyone's messes 😭 Mercy helps too ofc but the collaboration is a lot to manage

[odd slate]

i dont think mercy was abandoned...? i'm guessing she knew where her parents were volunteering

if we're talking abt her parents

but i could be tweaking

[shrewd pivot]

Ngl with the writing blunders Mercy has had, any future relationship in overwatch canon better be done for character development and not aimless soap-opera-drama shipping, im tired boss.

[shrewd pivot]

Mercy was orphaned, and it's a bit of a reoccurring gag Mercy doesn't know basic things like how to make coffee, how to tape up presents, etc. I say #girlfailure but it's more like... #orphan who didn't have her parents to teach her these things. She is also written to be stiff and not really good with soft skills but is good at meducal research and application. Compare that to Baptiste, who has soft skills.

[odd slate]

she can heal. that's what she knows, and how she find herself useful i think

"do what i'm good at" type deal

she definitely has trauma, but probably not abandonment

half the characters have horrible pasts and then the other half are "i eat rocks! :3"

its kinda funny

[shrewd pivot]

Angela's one rule was to not use her technology for harm. Torbjörn used Mercy's tech to make Ana's biotic rifle. Yet... Angela stayed? Allowed this? Remained friendly with the Lindholm family? The Lindholm family accepted Angela but never adopted her, but her choice to stay even after Torbjörn broke her ONE RULE says a lot imo

[dawn topaz]

well, it's a matter of perspective

do harm to help more

jokes aside I get what you're saying and I agree

[shrewd pivot]

If Mercy actually was an ethical doctor, she would have threatened to quit or atleast cut friendly contact with Torbjörn after that major betrayal. Idk my inference of canon is that Mercy has abandonment issues, and her bias towards the Lindholm family had her ignoring her morals and ethics to remain at overwatch despite what Torbjörn did.

[odd slate]

perhaps

though she's definitely not unethical compared to moira

[shrewd pivot]

If Mercy doesn't address that she did have a bias, she can't really be an ethical doctor.

The writers wrote Mercy as this pure ethical doctor trying her best, but she has done some morally grey things without the story nor characters addressing it. I wish they wrote Mercy a bit better, let her be an actual ethical doctor, or atleast have her be an ethical doctor forced to make hard decisions during wartime (edit: and thus becomes morally grey)

[odd slate]

moira even makes fun of the "red tape" angela wades through

[odd slate]

the latter's probably the intent, just not conveyed the best

ow writing can be dicy sometimes

[shrewd pivot]

Most characters are not ethical compared to "by any means necessary: genetic alteration torture experiments" Moira tho haha

[shrewd pivot]

Maybe. They play up Mercy as unironically moral tho in tone and from characters reactions tho. I think the writers do intend her to be actually moral, not morally grey

[odd slate]

moira's just a bit silly its ok

[shrewd pivot]

Imo it's bc they are too afraid to give Mercy complexity in her writing

That's why I find Freja arc refreshing, Freja is obviously an anti-villain (thinks she's in the right, but is actually doing harmful things)
Freja did the right things (Overwatch search and rescue) for the wrong reasons (thrill)

I do find the Mizuki arc interesting tho, so hopefully that horned hero upcoming will add some cool plot

[brittle sky]

They generally are too afraid to give anybody much complexity in their writing of late.

[shrewd pivot]

Vendetta and JPC and Anran have very little complexity imo

But Emre, Mizuki and Domina have reasonable complexity imo

[spare fox]

Idk I think they gave Mercy plenty of complexity in that she's matured to realize that the world isn't just black and white morality. True, she does not want to harm, wants her tech to be used for good, but it's also the development of realizing that there are people who want to do harm to the people who are helping

[shrewd pivot]

Yeye, that's the og overwatch arc in a nutshell.

By complexity i meant moral complexity, Mercy is written as pure ethical doctor in lore despite the whole "Torbjörn made Ana's weapon" incident, it's never really addressed

[brittle sky]

she's matured to think it's okay to give the super cops war crimes juice.

[spare fox]

She testified against OW for that reason so

[spare fox]

If the war crimes juice is what helps the super cops from letting the war criminals have free reign and commit bigger war crimes then yeah
I mean big criminals/ those committing atrocities don't go "oh look the people morally opposed to us don't have weapons, guess we should do what they say,huh?" historically speaking

[shrewd pivot]

I think it just falls flat for Mercy writing bc the writing ignores the biotic rifle incident, ignore her involvement in Genji’s healthcare that turned him into a weapon, how Emre plainly saw corruption so he ditched but Mercy stuck around...? She's never had to face direct consequences for still participating despite all that happening (her medical license was not revoked? She did not face jail time? She continued to do medical work after og overwatch), and the writing makes it out like she is unironically not morally grey

[brittle sky]

Is that what the positive arc is? Deciding it's good for the 'good guys' to do bad things in pursuit of stopping the 'bad guys'? To fall into a 'good guy with a gun' narrative?

Mercy should find wuyang horrifying. Kid went to medical school and hated it so much he jailbroke and innovated medical tech so it could be a weapon.

[shrewd pivot]

This is exactly what got overwatch shut down tho, nations saw og overwatch over extending and using illegal methods.

Ana's biotic rifle is a bio weapon. Mercy made her tech to heal people, not hurt people, and yet she ignores a bio weapon made from her tech? And the writing does not portray Mercy as morally grey at all for ignoring that, which was my prior point about Mercy not being allowed to have moral complexity (aka actually be morally grey in canon)

[shrewd pivot]

Honestly that's a good point.

I do wonder what traditional medicine Wuyang studied tho bc it might be applying mercy style healing tech (delivery method of some healing tech) with Daoist philosophy of healing chi blocks, etc.

Honestly, I wonder how much of Wuyang's healing is traditional belief vs scientific medical application 🤔 With Kiriko it's pretty clear, but with the Wuxing Water tech it's not exactly clear what is in the water that heals.

Moira is there as an obvious villain, illegal genetic experiments, does harm, overwatch story tone makes it clear that "biological weapons are bad, actually". So idk i just wish Mercy had a bit better writing that actually had account for her morally grey decisions.

[spare fox]

She didn't ignore it tho, she literally left overwatch and testified against them

[shrewd pivot]

She did not leave initially tho, she actively participated. And Mercy kept her medical license afterwards. No jail time. No consequences beyond groups being reasonably unwelcoming to her afterwards.

She's so tied to Genji and Ana lore, but the writers for whatever reason didn't write actual impact, is what I mean.

Like, Sojourn had more consequences than Mercy did.

[spare fox]

Why would she get jail time?

And have her medical license revoked? They used her tech, she didn't create the rifle

[shrewd pivot]

Failing to report Ana biotic rifle, failing to report Genji situation, etc.

Like obviously she didn't need to actually serve jail time, but the threat of it, like some lore saying she navigated the ethics she broke as a doctor under oath would have atleast added something that addressed the decision

I think it's bc the writers aren't familiar with doctor ethics or something idk

[spare fox]

Of course...

[shrewd pivot]

What do you mean by that? :o /genuine

[spare fox]

Every comment here from you is about how the writers/animators/designers/devs don't know what they're doing
And I know you're going to say "but can't I critique something I enjoy" and seriously that's not the point, it's constant negativity and nitpicking

[shrewd pivot]

So you were being Passive aggressive.
I also compliment parts of overwatch too, I even said I enjoy Freja's complexity. It's not all negativity, it's analysis.

I said I wish Mercy was allowed to be morally grey in canon, because she did morally grey actions in canon.

You offered that Mercy was complex because of learning the world wanted to hurt people trying to help, and I tried to clarify that wasn't what I was saying.

You aren't engaging with my point at all. So like. What are we doing here. You want me to shut up for making a valid point about the writing? And I'm over here trying to explain my point earnestly, but you are not even interested in engaging with the fact mercy does morally grey actions in canon yet the writing treats Mercy as ethical, so 🥀 what's the point of the convo

[spare fox]

You said, "Imo it's bc they are too afraid to give Mercy complexity in her writing"

[shrewd pivot]

And I explained by complexity I mean moral complexity of being morally grey.

She's tied to Ana and Torb and Genji lore, so it's not like the morally grey decisions can be retconned, so I expressed i wished Mercy got to be canonically morally grey, is all.

[odd slate]

maybe in the future she can

im not going to hold my breath over it, however

as i know the era of talon is the focus, which is okay

[shrewd pivot]

Same

[shrewd pivot]

Yeye im happy the plot is progressing

[odd slate]

it'll be exciting !!

and tbh, the footsteps we have here

or guidlines, or whatever

they're building blocks for our own canon

as every piece of media is

so whats not true in canon can be in fanfiction (though i know that's not the purpose of this channel, just a general statement)

[shrewd pivot]

Yeye ofc

[odd slate]

is venture part of a faction? they are, right?

the archaeologists or something

[shrewd pivot]

Wayfinders society

[odd slate]

could be interesting to maybe learn more abt them

ough i doubt this would happen but the omnic detective actually being lynx 17 would be so cool

i love their design

[shrewd pivot]

We got a little bit if lore about them with Hazard, actually! They were digging and ran into the Vanadium sample. Wayfinders... seemingly where chill with the Vanadium going to Oasis, so the Wayfinders def are on the iffy side of factions bc of that

[odd slate]

"we just wanna dig man"

which like...real

[shrewd pivot]

Inspector gadget Lynx Seventeen trust 🙏 /positive

[odd slate]

PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE

i love their design!!

[shrewd pivot]

My guess is that the trenchcoat omnic will be a new character tho bc of the silhouette

But Lynx joining the roster one day could be cool c:

[odd slate]

probably will be new

detective vibes for sure

but what faction, if any?

[shrewd pivot]

It could be a variety of things tbh.

Maybe investigating the eye conspiracy? Maybe investigating Null sector?

That is, presuming the trenchcoat omnic IS a detective

[hushed jetty]

my crack theory is that the trenchcoat omnic is the revived version of gerard lacroix somehow

my goat WILL return i SWEAR it

[dawn topaz]

That is a threat to my truth of Widowtracer so I will deny it

[shrewd pivot]

Ah, I remember when the fandom had a crack theory of Maximilien being Gerard...

My guess is that Gerard is actually dead, bc of the tropes Widowmaker is based on, film noir femme fatale

[hushed jetty]

the moment i hear a french accent come out of that omnic's mouth its OVER for yall

[civic lynx]

I hope he has the most aggressive Texan accent possible

[odd slate]

LMFAO

please that would be amazing

[brittle sky]

your goat was never alive in the narrative present to begin with, so can't really return.

[hushed jetty]

[odd slate]

awh :<

[grave saddle]

Favourite overwatch theory I’ve ever heard

[brittle sky]

Getting a third undisputably omnic character out of a cast of 50 when they're like the second biggest conceit of the setting, and people immediately want to make it some dead guy in botface

[cosmic crest]

Okay, "botface" is not a thing

I agree bringing Gerard back would be dumb though

[grave saddle]

It’s such a terrible thing to want a cool idea. Yes it would be good to have more omnic characters in general. Ofc it would. However, the point of a character that is an omnic and was once a human is a bridge between the two worlds. They experience/d both sides of these two lives. That’s a great thing for a team with barely any omnics. End of the day the guy is an omnic regardless, just because they aren’t an omnic awakened by aurora doesn’t constitute enough to disbar the idea imo

[brittle sky]

My not serious terminology aside, it's just corrosive to the setting in multiple ways.

It wouldn't be an omnic as they are definitionally intelligences of non human origin, so just putting a human mind in an omnic body is not an omnic any more than genji or sojourn is an omnic.

It also cheapens the crucial details that omnics are a fragile, singular generation, which is a key motive of ram and frankly most other omnic characters.

It also just takes one of the few actual death of a named character in the game and undoes that, undoing one of the few moments of permanence or consequences for drama. Like at that point death would cease to matter narratively.

And it diverts the opportunity for a vastly underserved part of the setting and the immediate visual language of omnics. So it would weaken the setting, weaken the visual language of the game, and not really add anything new (I was a man, what does it mean that I'm so much machine is literally genji's deal. Hell "this sniper character's backstory is they thought they killed me in this big betrayal of our very close relationship, and that defined their arc after, but just kidding I lived is literally genji's arc)

[lost drum]

putting this here for the future

prediction: doomfist comes back with a new fist or something alongside a doomfist rework, whether it be him trying to re-overthrow Talon or joins overwatch. his kit and identity as a tank already feels terrible imo and with his arm being cut off further creating discordance to the identity it feels like it makes a lot of sense.

[grave saddle]

Having the memories and personality of Gerard (because he is dead so it’s not his actual brain) like nick valentine is still categorically an omnic imo, just not awakened by aurora. It doesn’t have to deteriorate away from the fact omnics are a finite race because they aren’t awakened by aurora. The whole discussion around the character, once they figure out they are have the personality and memories of a dead man, will be how different they are to both omnics and man. A person out of place. It is not a diminishing of widows arc and only a development as there is now a copy of her late husband who may not want to make amends. Who may not want to build their relationship. An omnic with the memories of someone who categorically isn’t then is interesting and entirely different to genji

[lost drum]

okay why did i just see nickvalentine in that paragraph whats goin on here

[grave saddle]

I think to draw a comparison between the two ideas is fair. But to say they are the same before one exists and has multiple paths to walk is far out

[lost drum]

too many words best of luck everyone

[brittle sky]

Omnics are categorically of the awakened gen. That's what defines omnics as the term is used, not a body produced by omnica or an omnium.

[grave saddle]

But they would be treated as an omnic, potentially think they are a true omnic, and fight for omnic rights. That’s why they are on both sides of the fight. I can not call them an omnic and still think it’s a good idea to bridge the gap with a character showcasing both human and omnic experience (even if they themselves are neither)

To me that’s a cool thematic discussion that far outweighs the number of true omnics on the roster for this year. It will only boost the addition of further omnics going forward

I understand my previous comments calling them categorically still an omnic are untrue. But for me the important part is them having the experiences of an omnic and man

[brittle sky]

My own personal read on such a character is different, and think exploring the omnic experience and situation of omnics in the world is massively untapped without having a human mind or engram in an omnic body, even setting aside how it might affect the fundamental stakes of the world.

Like, some huge quantity of their finite population got mind kidnapped and anti omnic sentiments likely just got turbo fuelled. I don't think a hard boiled omnic detective needs more than those issues to have a very cool perspective and narrative.

[peak escarp]

if he thinks he's an omnic how would he reconcile that with having the memories/personality of a human?

[grave saddle]

I think that’s an interesting question to explore. There’s ofc plenty of ways to do it, like the memories being locked away and just having the personality till he finds them (NV). You can also go the route that they have faint traces of the memories but they simply think of them as a glitch. Or you can lean into their full outfit and have the reason they are a detective be those exact memories. They have fragments they are trying to piece together and have gotten so trained at investigating them they can use those skills elsewhere

[peak escarp]

I just don't see the point in giving an omnic/robot the memories/personality of a dead person

[grave saddle]

I definitely agree a hard boiled omnic character is also very cool. I am definitely going to enjoy the addition if that is the case. I just also think a character with so many pre-existing ties plus an interacting thematic route to explore could also be very cool

I didn’t like the idea of giving an omnic body human memory until I saw that person mention Gerard. And I think that specifically is a very cool idea to have incredibly interesting dialogue with widow and other OG overwatch members

[peak escarp]

also having Gerard come back in any form would undermine Widowmaker's storyline

[grave saddle]

The main thing for me is a being that has experience on both sides

No one else has that

[peak escarp]

nobody can have that

because that's not how omnics work

[grave saddle]

I think it’s a difficult path to tread but can be done well if this character and widow have a more interesting dialogue than just reconciliation

[grave saddle]

Cheers Jeff

[peak escarp]

stop pinging me

you can reply without pinging

[grave saddle]

I know, I barely message in big servers so I don’t have it off

A being that experiences both can definitely exist

Nothing prevents them from doing so in canon

Yes they can’t literally be an omnic as discussed

But they can be treated as one

[peak escarp]

there is no evidence to support it as a possibility

[grave saddle]

And have the full experience of an omnic in this world

[peak escarp]

the closest we have is Echo, who is mimicking her creator

[grave saddle]

…and there was no evidence to support man could wield black holes as superpowers before sigma

I’m not saying there’s a case in canon for this to happen lol. I’m just saying nothing declared it can’t as you said

[peak escarp]

Sigma doesn't weild black holes

[grave saddle]

You know what I mean

There’s plenty of examples of things being new in lore with the addition of characters

To say it’s not got any proof of being possible doesn’t really mean anything

Unless I said it did have proof. Which I haven’t

[peak escarp]

well until that happens, I will consider it unlikely

[grave saddle]

That’s perfectly fine by me. I also think it unlikely

I just think it to be a potentially great route to take

[shrewd pivot]

I'm going to have to say, keeping Gerard the human actually dead is a good idea for the story as Coarse laid out. Undoing the film noir femme fatale death would make Widowmaker's story weaker imo.

Human memories(brainscans?) put into robots has been explored with Ana's wargod mythic skin, so it's not entirely out of canon possibility for something like that to pop up in canon later.

If the trenchcoat omnic ends up being "oh this awakemed omnic character? Nah it's just a machine running a human brainscan, cue Nick Valentine story arc" would probably be worst case scenario imo lol.

We need more awakened omnics to explore the worldbuilding imo. Ideally, an awakened omnic that has integrated into human society (levels akin to BOB, Maximilien. Reggie, Claire, etc) would be nice to see on the roster for worldbuilding. How does an awakened omnic navigate daily life in human culture? Etc etc

[hushed jetty]

walk with me: gerard in an omnic body as a sort of reverse emre

the omnic was a person that already existed and then someone shoved gerard's consciousness in there. so they have to share

[peak escarp]

Wargod isn't canon

[odd slate]

au of mirrorwatch i think?

interesting concept tho

[spare fox]

I wonder if the "omnic detective" is going to be related to maybe the IJC/U.N. investigating or keeping an eye on Overwatch

[shrewd pivot]

Ooo That's a cool possibility too! Hype for trenchcoat omnic loreee

[quiet night]

So out of the 5 new heroes, who do you think has the most interesting lore?

[peak escarp]

I think Mizuki is interesting, and even though we know what will happen, I still look forward to seeing it happen

[south torrent]

Mizuki

[thorn moss]

I’m curious what will happen when he can’t hide being a double agent anymore. Like will Kiriko be hurt by that or laugh it off because she knew the entire time

[peak escarp]

I feel like Kiriko is street-smart enough to suspect him

but she might forgive him

[meager geyser]

Definitely Emre

[civic lynx]

Emre but none of them really stand out to me

[upbeat sable]

sorry it’s gotta be the cat

[humble bronze]

emre? he runs a kebabstore in finland

nothing special about

[dawn topaz]

Emre has the most potential and he is already an established character so he's definitely the main one

Anran is part of the 5 evil elements schools or whatever

Mizuki is interesting with his double agent stuff

Domina is amazing personality wise but she's just evil rich company lady

[nocturne flint]

They finally expanding on Vishkar tho

So thats good

[dawn topaz]

definitely!

[meager geyser]

Domina is more of a plot tool then a character

She's showing the ties between Talon and Vishkar

Not much more

[wise grotto]

shes more the driving force behind vishkar plot tool

sanjay is the purely for talon and vishkar thing

domina has active ties to lucio and his fathers tech and what happened there and is seemingly partially a face of vishkar itself

[nocturne flint]

And shes hot

[brittle sky]

domina is marketable sanjay

(realistically you can say sanjay was both deeply middle management and actually showed some moments of humanity so having someone higher up the corporate food chain with ties to the bhatt family and who is more expressely remorseless is a good call, but certainly they took that opportunity in certain directions)

[spare fox]

They def took the opportunity to run with "we don't need to make this hero athletic at all"

Idk ever since we saw Sanjay in Moira's origin trailer, I've been one of the ones against him as a hero bc like... he's so blah

Plus - gotta love taking the opportunity to add more characters to the world, so not every character is a playable hero... kinda like expanding upwards as well as out

[brittle sky]

I don't disagree - he's very much npc style (I think some characters work best as npcs like that - also would include nguyen and more controversally max there) - but can still roll my eyes at filling the slot people expected a middle aged guy to fill with a curvy young woman whose design prioritizes visual appeal.

[brittle sky]

I think overwatch is a bit weak on this at the moment. Either because the fanbase latches so hard onto every name as a potential hero (see emre) or because designing characters that won't become game assets is seen as a waste of resources, ow has gotten a little gunshy about npcs, and as a result the world can feel a bit anemic outside the immediate cast atm.

[jovial nymph]

Genuine question

On reapers original default skins

Why dose his mask look like a barn owl?

Oh and uuh

[spare fox]

Right, but it might be feeling that way because 5 newest characters are also heroes, maybe little

[jovial nymph]

Brib reaper is a birb

[spare fox]

And of those 5 new heroes, a lot of them rely on "reusing" existing NPCs, namely Mizuki, Dom, and then again with Vendetta

Wuyang only mentions a few NPCs besides his parents but also Anran tagged along, Freya again recycled Max, Emre being yet another future hero at the time
BUT we did get to see those 3 bounties of hers

[brittle sky]

Sure. Things that could easily feel more fleshed out/substantial by populating it with people seem to be kinda left empty. We see Domina but don't flesh out vishkar beyond her (where's her long-suffering PA or something?), hashimoto are just a list of unflatteringly described elders and a vague allusion to a 'her' who is almost certainly the s3 hero. The talon council despite being relevant remains largely unnamed and uncharacterized (not all should be heroes, but they are at best nameless faces), and we don't even see a second person inhabiting the base doom was hanging out in.

[spare fox]

Def, but there is still more lore to come surrounding these 5 new guys

Speaking of which, the second coming soon panel is back on the lore tab for this season

So... yay!

[peak escarp]

The Aztecs and the Maya, along with other natives of Mesoamerica, considered the owl a symbol of death and destruction. In fact, the Aztec god of death, Mictlantecuhtli, was often depicted with owls. There is an old saying in Mexico that is still in use: Cuando el tecolote canta, el indio muere ("When the owl cries/sings, the Indian dies"). The Popol Vuh, a Mayan religious text, describes owls as messengers of Xibalba (the Mayan "Place of Fright").

from wikipedia

[jovial nymph]

Hmmmm i see

I personally veiw owls as cats

Simply cats with wings

[oblique spoke]

[crisp canyon]

It’s a goat skull

[jovial nymph]

Really?

[crisp canyon]

Well maybe not a goat but it is a skull, I’ve always just assumed it was a goat skull mask for like devil imagery

If it was meant to be owls ig that would make sense owls are big in Native American culture for bad omens like he says in his voice lines

But I don’t really see the bird resemblance

[odd slate]

skoll

[jovial nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486037697024757784/1487157590617100519/IMG_4389.jpg?ex=69c81eef&is=69c6cd6f&hm=1c50d5af56f94ae60ef13f560b43260c179f916c3ea07020580ef4457171ba9b&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486037697024757784/1487157590197796905/IMG_4390.jpg?ex=69c81eef&is=69c6cd6f&hm=0f3f3a1cb26270b627b3d4d8e56cf039241fb56f664c9fcbb1b1c1b3d236ad16&

After looking at them

It might not be a owl but it’s definitely not a goat

[peak escarp]

it's an abstract skull that has vague resemblance to an owl

the Blackwatch logo looks more like a goat skull

[kind dagger]

are lijiang the company who built horizon lunar colony or are they seperate?

[shrewd pivot]

Lijiang is a name of a place in China, "Lucheng company" is the company that created the lunar colony and iirc has an office building in Lijiang.

A peek at early concept design Domina having a ponytail :o https://youtu.be/mKU55gKTlFM?si=sIOr-kiY2_Wm8Xz9

I like her current CEO bob hairstyle a lot, fits her design well imo

[kind dagger]

ah yes sorry i thought the hammond voiceline he said lijiang my bad

[shrewd pivot]

no worries! No need to apologize, you're all good :)

[peak escarp]

Lucheng Interstellar

[crisp canyon]

This is basically the mask without the red

[jovial nymph]

Hmmm

Fair enough

[jovial nymph]

Lore question

Why is junkrat so godam annoying

[twilit patrol]

Because he's crazy

[sand veldt]

Does freja have feelings for Emre?

[crisp canyon]

Yeah

[foggy sandal]

radiation

[brittle sky]

Because he grew up in a failed society that prizes cruelty, brute strength, and violence, and he's not really good at any of them, so has survived out of a combination of his knack for tinkering, playing obsequious to the violent brutes that run junker society, and generalized hustling. He also swallows his nerves and keeps himself together by various get rich quick plans, flights of fancy, and other activities to entertain himself.

That cocktail of factors means he's prone to near-delusional bits of imagination and pacifying anyone more dangerous than him, and he has neither the upbringing to make him socially deft nor a common context with people who grew up in a normal society.

[cinder heron]

Can anyone tell me why Juno fled mars?

[brittle sky]

She was sent back to get help after escalating storms on mars threatened the colony (and because her family wanted her life guaranteed first if conditions continue to deteriorate on the colony)

[glossy wadi]

Why does roadhouse wear his mask

[thorn moss]

She seems more interested in eating Dino nuggets and asking if chickens fry rice than getting help

[merry mason]

She asked for help but the space company said I don’t wanna

You know come to think of it how did luncheng hide a whole mars mission? That sees like the kind of thing that would leave too much evidence to hide

[brittle sky]

It's not like there are cameras on mars

[eager turret]

Lf duo/friends 18+

[meager geyser]

Why have she joined overwatch anyway? Like girl, I'm glad you want to help, but I think you have more important things to do then hanging out with aunt Mei 😭

[thorn moss]

To learn all languages and drink the soy sauce

[meager geyser]

I want to see her learn mandarin

Or hungarian

Or polish

Good luck with seven cases kiddo

[spare fox]

I wonder how many languages she was exposed to on Mars I mean obv Vietnamese, English, her mom spoke Mandarin and English.. other scientists there must've spoke a number of languages

[crisp canyon]

Juno should just have a copied vl from whichever enemy she eliminates

It be more in character esp if it was done like she’s still figuring out the pronunciation or said did I get that right after

[merry mason]

Ok but nobody noticed all of the material being rocketed to deep space for no reason? The shareholders never asked about the massive hole in the budget in the public shareholder meetings? A mission to the moon would be too big to hide.

[spare fox]

well, I'm guessing that since space launches are far more common in the OW timeframe, maybe that's why

and in regards to the shareholders and the budget - Lucheng has been lying about loads of things. If they're lying and misinforming their subjects, it's not below them to lie to shareholders... and potentially the shareholders could be in on it, but I am more with the "they're lying" theory

[merry mason]

Ppl keep track of individual starlink satellites, I doubt nobody was keeping track of a major aerospace company’s presumably frequent launches towards the trajectory of mars.

That’s not even mention the paper trail made by acquiring the material for this mission

[spare fox]

I mean, not wrong, but this is 70+ years in the future, at this point there could be hundreds of "starlink" like satellites. At that point it'll be old news once every major appliance and whatever gets its own satellite for whatever reason - not to mention the increased security satellites and what have you that we know about in the OW universe

[robust owl]

Do yall think Sigma could be connected to the conspiracy?

Imagine if the conspiracy was connected to the iris or whatever sigma saw

its logo is an eye

iris is well…eye related by its word definition

It would be crazy if they made that connection real

[robust owl]

Especially given the interactions between sigma & tracer, and sigma & Emre (I know they’re not canon but it is how they would converse if they could talk to each other)

[wise grotto]

Sigma didn't see the actual iris itself there isn't any real god he did know iris beforehand
The ai that took over emre and sigmas mind itself being shattered into pieces are very distinct issues each of them have
And him and tracer are semi related as they're both anomalies of space or time now

[languid jetty]

Duo/ friends 18+

[brittle sky]

What? Whether he met Aurora or not, the iris is a separate concept in shambali

[manic ermine]

Interested to hear your guys' opinion.
Who do you think is the most interesting and/or deep character in the game?

[digital linden]

moira

[odd slate]

i like them all for various reasons

i do think illari has a soft place in my heart...poor girl :(

[ivory cargo]

Hi guys how yall doing?

New to overwatch but loving it. So here’s what I understand about the lore so far very oversimplified: tech advances to the point where everything was just dandy, big company make robots to serve humanity, the god programs controlled everything, company that made robots went under due to scandals and falling profits, the god program ANUBIS chooses violence and modifies the Monica’s for violence, the ommnihand crisis begins and the humans are getting their asses beat, overwatch is founded to give the Omni a more smoke but it does jack shit. Aurora, the first sentient omnic created by doc Lou before the war sacrifices her self and turns herself into a sentient eye and the awakening begins. Some omnics chill the fuck out and some want more smoke. ANUBIS is sealed, humans hate omnics and that brings us to present day.

[peak escarp]

Overwatch does make some progress against the omnics, but they needed a faster end to the war so fewer lives would be lost

[brittle sky]

I think it's hardly a guarentee ow would have won in a pure attrition war.

[dawn topaz]

Tough to say, honestly. But Moira, Ramattra, and Widowmaker come to mind

[peak escarp]

my favourites lore-wise are Mei, Sombra and Illari

[broken eagle]

When it comes to the lore i like sigma,Emre,Zenyatta,Hanzo and Genji

[hasty cave]

ramattra

[fathom flame]

Lf duo / friends 18+

[nocturne flint]

and funny thing is

Anubis had no glitches or hacker attacks

mf just scanned what we did for years then decided humanity has to go

[odd slate]

literally horizon zero dawn plotline

it's so funny how the common thread in these types of media is "humans are the problem so humanity must die"

[peak escarp]

eh, in Zero Dawn humanity was wiped out because the robots turned them into fuel - they weren't trying to save the environment, it was just their method of repairing themselves

Anubis actively thought humans were the problem and genocide was the solution

[crisp canyon]

That interviewer that got Jeff to talk for 5hrs should’ve asked him what the orginal comic they canceled would’ve been ab

[peak escarp]

I believe it was supposed to cover the omnic crisis, and how Overwatch ended it

it doesn't look like Aurora was part of the story

from the few pages that have been leaked

unless that omnic in the last image was proto-Aurora

and the girl with white hair was Dr. Liao

[wise grotto]

This isn't horizons plotline st all lol
The CEO of the company that made the robots that caused a literal extinction event forced the people he paid to make them not to install a backdoor so when they lost control over one of them it was just a matter of time till it destroyed everything and people working with him made the giant machine that would eventually restart life on the planet

[odd slate]

no not horizon

i know its in another one

sorry im tweaking my coworker is playing his whiteboy music in my ear

ULTRON

that was it

not horizon

ultron

[wise grotto]

Ultron was the first big one and is st this point an older character comics wise

[fathom flame]

Lf duo/ friend 18+

[spare fox]

Hoping we get some lore teasers with the April fools update

[toxic canopy]

World Cup final Messi vs Ronaldo no joke

Twitch : Tabola8

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[minor sapphire]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[proud thistle]

I know Ana, Cassidy, Emre, Moira, Reaper, Reinhardt, Sojourn, Soldier: 76, Torbjorn, and Winston were Overwatch agents in the golden age. Am I missing anyone, including non-playable characters?

[proud thistle]

How would Omnics kiss?

[twilit patrol]

They don't kiss

[naive shuttle]

Brother what kind of a switch up question was that 😭😭😭

[brittle sky]

Freja was search and rescue. Tracer was an agent at the end. Mercy ran some combat missions.

We also have names for NPCs like soundquake, rumble, and wildebeest, most based off old concept art, as well as an array of minor agents from stuff like Ana's comic and associated short story, like mirembe.

[proud thistle]

Mirembe?

[brittle sky]

Minor agent that popped up in said comic and short story.

Oh, you missed genji

[proud thistle]

dammit

oh, and mei sort of

[brittle sky]

Mei I think was purely a researcher for ecopoint in the golden age.

[brittle sky]

Presumably mirroring human traditions where lip contact was impractical or gauche but facial contact is still an expression of intimacy - forehead touching comes to mind.

[proud thistle]

I like that interpretation!

ramattra would probably have a hissy fit over it

I'm trying to figure out the background for a hypothetical ttrpg campaign set in the golden age of Overwatch

[brittle sky]

Seems like something nameless would question more.

[odd slate]

i just think of the kissies from wall-e

https://tenor.com/view/wall-e-eve-pixar-kiss-gif-8159572

that type of transferred spark

[hushed jetty]

gerard lacroix 🔥 🔥 🔥

[crimson hearth]

sounds cool

[shy coyote]

HOW we share clip ?

pls

[robust owl]

Aside from Anubis and Chernobog, what are the other god AIs? Do you think they’ll be involved in upcoming lore?

[grand wedge]

Macaria (new york - specialized in communications was considered a hero of the omnic crisis) and Xibalba (Mexico, also very loved by the people)

[civic lynx]

We know of these ones

[robust owl]

This is a lore discussion only, hence game clips do not belong here (there’s probably a channel dedicated to clips). But if it’s lore related then idk

[shy coyote]

sorry

[robust owl]

Ur good dw

[brittle sky]

Gwadael got it all, but notable details include that Macaria is honored and anhtropomorphized in broadway plays since the crisis, and Xibalba's big fans notably include Los Muertos, and ti was dealing in energy equity, making LM's skepticism of Lumerico and other energy companies make a certain sense.

[pastel barn]

.

[robust owl]

Can we see anything relating to Macaria in the midtown map? And also anything about Xibalba in Dorado?

[brittle sky]

Only if we count los muertos merch as xibalba. I'd have to look at the Broadway shows but I don't think so. The non Anubis god ais only really started getting lore in the declassified book.

[peak escarp]

I'm making Cassidy's dish from the cookbook for dinner tonight

it's a good recipe, and somehow within my spice tolerance despite having 2 tbs of chili powder

and for some reason the sample image has raisins in it... there are no raisins in the recipe

I'd like to make his cookie recipe too, but I won't be trying his drink unless I can find some 0% bourbon

[past copper]

There really is a cookbook

[peak escarp]

yep

[past copper]

I don't know if that's weird or brilliant

[peak escarp]

it has recipes up to Ashe

1-2 dishes plus a drink for each hero

[past copper]

Give it time. They'll update it for new heroes

While doubling the price lol

[peak escarp]

a second volume with the OW2 heroes would be nice to get

[past copper]

I'd personally wouldn't mind drink mixes for each hero

Ever have an infinity gauntlet cocktail?

[peak escarp]

no

[past copper]

Seems pretty good. Wouldn't mind seeing the same thing done for Overwatch heroes

[peak escarp]

I'd love to see what dishes they would include for Illari

[crisp canyon]

8th grade science experiment

[peak escarp]

fun fact: the Overwatch Cookbook was the first place that Ingrid Lindholm's occupation as a chemical engineer was mentioned

in the entry for her famous apple pie

[crisp canyon]

2 tbsp isn’t a lot in terms of spice, chili powder that mostly everyone uses is like typically 1.5k-3k in scoville level at most which is what a jalapeño is usually rated, and most food prepared that uses chili powder in a general sense doesn’t really exceed 3 tbsp unless it’s intentionally trying to get there by the maker or something made in a large batch, this coming from New Mexico tho makes me think it’s probably meant to be spicier but was probably more toned down for average customer who would buy the book

I didn’t know there was a cookbook tho, I’m interested in looking at what’s in there tho

[peak escarp]

my point was that I have a very low spice tolerance, so 2 tbs is a lot for me

[crisp canyon]

Someone posted all the recipes online for free banger

[peak escarp]

it's been out for a while, I'm not surprised