lore-discussion

[whole junco]

I went to school, university, studied endless days and nights, struggled under the pressure of my family's pressure to go to college, suffered in college only to have to drop out. Everything and everyone has lore, it's just finding the way to spin it into a tale that's important

[hollow oar]

i love this emoji its so braindead 🤤 🤤 🤤

[lethal path]

With g 😳

Uh oh

[dense garnet]

I think it's gonna be another space animal

[dry pebble]

The scene where she has been told to stay still in front of an abusive events so she stood against its programming

[lethal path]

I just came here casue the general was 30 seconds timer like I ain’t waiting

[hushed jetty]

perhaps the conspiracy went and reactivated chernobog for some reason, and then when emre went snooping around doing global security stuff, he ran into them and got got

[dry pebble]

Chernobog actually could lead to a very interesting lore build if OW writers treats it right

[wooden drift]

Maybe its just gets confused and defensive by killing everything on sight

[dense garnet]

I still think Chernobog is fighting against the Conspiracy

[hushed jetty]

how so

[hollow oar]

but we already have so many space animals 😮‍💨 adult cats have the iq level of 7 year old human beings, i bet a 7 year old could pilot a jetpack

[dry pebble]

I still can't make up my mind about what exactly conspiracy is

[lethal path]

I wanna see 4th dimension

[hollow oar]

the overwatch version of the illuminati

[dense garnet]

Not sure, but I think that the answer lies with how much Chernobog is using Emre to attack Helix-defended bases

[dry pebble]

Does the eye belongs to them or is it Chernobog's

[hollow oar]

and then chernobog is like the overwatch equivalent of chatgpt
but like, morally dubious chatgpt

[dry pebble]

Wait i just made up a headcanon lore people listen

[hushed jetty]

chernobog has never been depicted uhhhh at all so i imagine the eye is the conspiracy's

[hollow oar]

im listening im listening

[dry pebble]

Chernobog is a helpful AI that created to secure humans and Conspiracy is an organisation that plans seize the informations of Chernobog's uses to determine security over people in their own personal usages. Like the Machine from the movie 9.

[hushed jetty]

sure, that seems reasonable

but then What About Emre

and furthermore why would chernobog allow its information to be used for these reasons

[dry pebble]

I really can't make up my mind about that thing exactly but the max i can think of it could be like Venom

He just ran away from them using Emre

[dry pebble]

He doesnt

[wooden drift]

Venom very rarely uses its host

Its symbiosis

[dry pebble]

Pretty much

[hollow oar]

the conspiracy is a group of hackers that leaked all of chernobog’s data like what happened with that discord dataleak that one time
and then they doxxed overwatch and thats why overwatch fell

[wooden drift]

And with emre it clearly shows that it controls him

[hollow oar]

lowkey this is a peak take, im stealing this interpretation

[dry pebble]

Emre doesn't seem to look like he is controlled majority of time outside of his Ult

[dry pebble]

Thank youu

[hushed jetty]

well i mean he did almost kill freja

[dry pebble]

I really want to see Emre and Chernobog create bondness with each other

[hollow oar]

i dunno he seemed pretty brainwashed during search and destroy, except for the end
i def dont think emre’s ult is the only time Evil ChatGPT possesses him

[hollow oar]

this wold be so peak

[dry pebble]

I'm pretty sure he detected her as a threat

[hollow oar]

so he 100% willingly of-his-own-decision chooses to murder his best friend from 10 years ago 😔

RIP freja

[dry pebble]

He regained his consciousness at the end of comic anyway

[hollow oar]

after committing mass destruction

[dry pebble]

"i only wish to help you Emre,"

Gosh i wish the Chernobog actually had voice lines within Emre we could hear

[hollow oar]

like how you can hear the music sigma hallucinates when you use grav
would be absolute peak

[dry pebble]

How you guys would find it if Emre had a passive where upon an enemy tries sneak on him, Chernobog informs him about the threats nearby

Like Spiderman's spider senses from rivals

"vengeanceful intruders detected in nearby, be aware within yourself"

[wooden drift]

Wouldn't that be too useful?

[dry pebble]

Not much if it won't give the exact coordinates of the enemy

[craggy thistle]

What in the hell?!

What are all the weird stuff in jetpack cat bio???

[dense nebula]

Anyone else notice Doomfist’s little description in the Heroes tab doesn’t exist anymore?

Feels like he’s setting up to be reworked in game somehow

[wooden drift]

Well, he isn't dead and people already theorised that hes getting reworked

[dense nebula]

I know he ain’t dead but the rework part is new to me

[twilit patrol]

I was hoping for cinematic 😞

Need to see Talon attacking Overwatch

[errant sequoia]

fraudfist

dude showed off his first appearance and been routinely whooped ever since

knew he was getting rusty when he tied with mauga but maybe winston just beat performance anxiety into him

[grave saddle]

Just wait for the come back. Imagine the conspiracy gets their hands on him

[fallow mantle]

love the new lore drops on the site for widow, reaper, sombra, sigma and doom

sigma mention 🗣️

[tall thicket]

Yall do we think junkerqueen is going to side with talon😭

[peak escarp]

update on Sigma

[errant sequoia]

"we dont know what to do about him" in writer speak

i imagine sigma would be like really useful in taking out gibraltar

[edgy meadow]

wheres this at?

what the helly

[peak escarp]

the bio pages on the Overwatch website

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/

[edgy meadow]

thanks

[edgy meadow]

they probably have plans, just not this early

things will probably happen once he does get used

and he'll probably be very hostile to ven

[peak escarp]

also updates for Doomfist, Reaper, Widowmaker and Sombra

[dense garnet]

Fist doesn't have a lore description in the hero gallery anymore lol

[dense garnet]

Expected

[tall thicket]

NO POOR SIGMA

Sombra needs to get him

[edgy meadow]

ye okay so sigma being unleashed is definitely going to be a story point with sombra involved

though i am wondering when theyll pivot into the conspiracy plotline

especially now that emre is in talon

[dense garnet]

Yeah Emre doesn't want to be Talon

But the AI doesn't let him leave

[dry pebble]

What gets me most about Emre gotta be that lore is about an security based AI taking control of an pre organisation agent and all shit that is super interesting and gameplay ends being Soldier 76 2

I don't think it's a bad moveset, i just. My expectation for a 9 years old char was alot

[celest jungle]

I saw the recruitment videos. They looked cool. I put a comment under both of them asking for what the pay is like, benefits, work environment, but neither Overwatch or Talon have gotten back to me. (This was a joke post don’t take this literally).

[dry pebble]

I just wish his role as Tactician at least could've been kept in moveset, game lacks of intimidating supports and Emre could've been one with all that

I have speaked about this in various of conversation previously and i can't still get over it

[celest jungle]

Though, I am curious what the pay is for being an Overwatch agent vs being a Talon agent…

[edgy tree]

Yeah that's what I thought She'd do with Sigma

[dry pebble]

Difference is Talon has regular people working under the organisation

Overwatch is group of superhero like people

Pretty much Marvel or Justice League

[edgy tree]

Glad to see Sombra still cares about the big guy

[celest jungle]

True, but I am curious. Waiting for a message back on both ends. Asked the same questions under both the videos. Curious to see if someone responds.

[edgy tree]

It looks the same (in game) both tracks for some reason end with an Echo skin

[dry pebble]

I don't really think anyone up to decide this kind of obscure information about game's universe that is not related to current events that occurs

[celest jungle]

I mean, I doubt someone will, but it will be funny.

[fossil wren]

Code of violence 2: Now it's personal

[edgy meadow]

its a very good call to keep that aspect of her character in

[edgy meadow]

i like the implication that widowmaker has been wanting to escape from moira for a while but just hasnt had the excuse/opportunity

[celest jungle]

Yeah you’re right. I just wanted to joke around

[edgy tree]

It's the only thing they can do for her after her TRIPLE nerf

[celest jungle]

I guess not everyone has my sense of humor.

Oh well

[edgy meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/jerboa-gif-16135240942193863447

[shrewd pivot]

Emre is 44. Fits the lore, but I sure hope they drop the romantic pursuit subtext from Freja. I am very interested in his encrypted lore bite tho hyyype

Mizuki is really interesting to me bc I wonder how they will explain his curse in scifi terms? I also... wonder why they chose a Kappa when a Tengu would have worked better as a spiritual bad luck related yokai with a hat 🤔

Jetpack is a normal cat Brigitte WANTS to send into battle. Winston would never approve of child/animal soldiers...

And Domina foils Symmetra in a very interesting way! Symmetra is a natural savant whilst Domina had to create an effortless appearance while pulling all the strings to look like a prodigy. Both have different takes on perfection, and I will love to see Symmetra's lore around Domina.

Also the Sigma lore is very interesting to me, and it's interesting they outright confirmed Moira had a "grip" on Widowmaker. Def adds a Grey area on Widowmaker "chosing" to be in Talon if she felt forced to by there by Moira.

[dry pebble]

It's fine i think its a valid question

[shy dagger]

https://x.com/mushroomiiee/status/2021314006045102488?s=46

Shroomiiee (@mushroomiiee)

WHAT A REFERENCE ON GIBRALTAR OMG

X · Feb 10, 2026, 8:03 PM

[fossil wren]

Overwatch and its curious habit of using old memes

[dry pebble]

There is definetly something going on between these two

I'm sure Freja accepted the Max's offer both to hire him as recruit but also to see the man she fell in love with again

Only to left a monster of course

Also as we talk we need to give Emre starwatch skin the eye on torso definetly would work as a parasite alien

[edgy meadow]

romantic subtext or not it at least serves as a good motivation for freja to break her neutrality over the course of the narrative, at least

[shrewd pivot]

Emre and Freja? Yeah. The idea isn't bad, but it's the lore that doesn't make it work imo... Freja is 34 and Emre is 44. Freja was early 20s, like at the oldest 23 in overwatch search and rescue and Emre was 30s, like 33. Kind of a wild age gap for overwatch to imply romance about when Freja was a new recruit and Emre was a seasoned overwatch agent.

[dry pebble]

Yikes, i don't expect age gap to be this open between two of them

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah it's 10 years with Freja being early 20s in overwatch search and rescue...

[dry pebble]

I didn't knew Freja was this young either

My fault

[shrewd pivot]

Freja is the same age as Pharah

[dry pebble]

Maybe as a big brother she looks up to perhaps

[shrewd pivot]

No worries, I thought it was an interesting ship until I saw the age gap and was baffled by why overwatch would write Freja having romantic subtext in the comics.

[dry pebble]

Yeah comics also was the reason lead to this thought

be fair Emre in comics also pretty much looking close age within Freja

[shrewd pivot]

Hard to say atm, I def got romantic subtext vibes so idk what they are going for. I hope it was just an accident, bc that age gap is kinda wild

[dry pebble]

Pretty much

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah that too.

Thankfully Freja isn't 28 like a dev had stated prior to Freja's release LOL

[tame marlin]

is anyone haveing long quick play queue times?

[spare fox]

34 and 44 are not a crazy age gap, come on

Not saying you have to like the ship but wtf is with this fandom and age gaps

[dry pebble]

I'm kinda in a limbo

To be fair werent both of them legal age upon meeting

[shrewd pivot]

To be clear: 23 new recruit and 33 seasoned agent is the issue, not 34 and 44.

[shy dagger]

They’re both literally adults who gaf😭😭

[dry pebble]

That's still legal age

[spare fox]

They're not dating and they weren't dating then so why is it even a problem

[shy dagger]

I get if it’s a character like Wuyang or Illari who are 19/18 sharp but a woman in her thirties and a man in his forties? lol who cares

[dry pebble]

The comparison was the thing suprised me

I didn't expect them to have ten years between

[dry pebble]

Cause Emre both comics and game looks way younger

[dry pebble]

Goatt

Conspiracy neither Chernobog

It refers itself as "we" that's pretty much the conspiracy

[fallow mantle]

real, big spookycakes w

[dry pebble]

Also @keen summit show the Domina too

Jetpack Cat could also be good

I can't look up the game atm

[shy dagger]

That’s kinda true

[shrewd pivot]

Simply being adults doesn't make a relationship healthy?
There's dynamics that are illegal to have like boss and employee, new recruit 23 and seasoned agent 33 is mentor to student, not romantic. I would hate for Freja's story to be defined by a creepy age gap power dynamic romance where she's already dressed ooc skimpy in her base design, and I would hate for Emre to be written as taking advantage of a new recruit when there's very negative stereotypes about SWANA men chasing much younger women in media...

Like it's not overreacting to say "hm that's not a healthy relationship" -- if overwatch portrays it AS unhealthy it's fine but I have a feeling the og overwatch romance of S&R new recruit Freja and seasoned agent Emre is being played straight as a romance you root for.

I'm more focused on Emre's eye conspiracy lore, anyhow. It's just a passing worry about the writing for Emre and Freja is all.

[dry pebble]

What is the middle of the pharagraph tries to imply

[shrewd pivot]

In a lot of media, there is a negative bigoted stereotype about older SWANA men dating younger if not extremely younger. I don't want Emre to fall into that bigoted negative stereotype.

[edgy meadow]

its a valid concern to have but it feels like its kinda jumping the gun with assumptions as to how the storyline is going to go

if it really does go that way it will be hard to deny its problematic

[shrewd pivot]

So far Freja subtext seems to be romantically pursuing Emre, even back in og S&R overwatch days. I just hope Emre isn't written to return the feelings, that's all.

[dry pebble]

To be fair i understand some can find the age comparison awkward but this is just feels forced

None of the comics debutted Emre have ever given that feeling of whatevers you have given examples of

Between Freja and Him

This just feels like unrelated dotting

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah nothing so far, but the lore for Emre's bio indicates that Freja is helping Emre preserve what humanity he has left. Which is an easy set up for a "love brings you back" kind of campy romance.

It's just a passing thought of "I hope they don't write Emre returning feelings in the future" is all

[edgy meadow]

i think this has to be a 'we'll cross that bridge when we get to it'. I agree that this could be a very problematic situation if the story goes there, but this could also just amount to nothing of this sort

[edgy meadow]

valid

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah very fair

Just sharing thoughts about new lore really.

In a similar vein with JPC, there's some rather big implications on overwatch world building if Fika really is a normal cat being put into battle by Brigitte. Brigitte IS intending to put Jetpack cat into the battle field. And if Fika is just a normal cat....??? Then that implies base animals in overwatch have much higher intelligence. Which recontextualizes Cassidy pig factory lore, etc lol

[tiny edge]

Should I get the battle pass?

[dry pebble]

I think Fika just caught upon the battlefield due the Talon invasion

I don't like to think Brigette wanted to use her upon battlefield since then

[edgy meadow]

i severely doubt she is just a 'normal cat'

theyre keeping her lore mysterious very intentionally

[shrewd pivot]

Jetpack Cat lore implies Brigitte founds Fika before the Talon attack, and Brigitte is building a jetpack for Fika to pilot to help overwatch actively on the battlefield.

[shrewd pivot]

I certainly hope she isn't!

[edgy meadow]

this is actually just something i guarantee you isnt happening

she is not just a normal cat

[shrewd pivot]

I would like to believe that too but even others pointed out the way devs talked about Fika she might be. I certainly hope not lol but technically it's still up in the air. I am on the "Fika is not a normal cat" side personally.

Also it's pretty hilarious to write Brigitte as the wacky cat lady of the roster lol

[edgy meadow]

they never explicitely said 'fika is just a normal cat', everything else is red herrings

[edgy meadow]

shes a big cat person and its cool that we get to see that

[shrewd pivot]

The way devs talked about her intelligence being based on real cats, and how they didn't want to do another Hammond, leaves things more vague than I'd like. Others in this chat have made compelling points that Fika may or may not be. I personally think it would be stupid writing to make Fika a normal cat, so I am betting Fika isn't a normal cat in canon.

[edgy meadow]

they probably meant that in the sense that fika isnt a super genius hyper intelligent genetically-engineered scientist thats also happened to be a cat, but that doesnt have to mean shes a normal cat

and ye it would be stupid to just make her a normal cat

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah! I think it's just extra fun bc the Lindholm family is filled with eccentric inventors, Torbjörn and his Wife Ingrid, a cat fan making cat helpers is really camp and cute fir Brigitte lol

[shrewd pivot]

Agreed! Just noting others have said that until it's outright stated, we can't say for sure. (Different approaches to understanding canon, explicit vs inference based canon)
I personally am more inference based in my understanding of canons bc strict explicit canon misses a lot of what makes overwatch specifically so fun as pulp fiction/ scifi media / cinema references worldbuilding series.

I fully agree with you btw, Fika not being a normal cat makes most sense.

[ancient hollow]

does anyone know what emres thign at the top right says

the thing beside the icon for the program

[shrewd pivot]

I am unsure, sorry. Maybe someone else can answer.

Also quick bit: it's devastating that Domina is the one that secured Vishkar's redevelopment rights in Rio and that's what made her VP. Lúcio probably has a lot of beef with her.

Can't wait to see a video showcasing all the new voice line interactions hypeeee

[fossil wren]

Brigitte really didn't forget the idea of giving a cat a jetpack, didn't she?

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah lol she was giving cats armor as a kid in an art piece, the overwatch book said it was an homage to jet pack cat all those years ago haha

[dry pebble]

Can you open it up a little bit i have zero knowledge this part of the lore

[fossil wren]

Even if Talon hadn't attacked, I'm sure she would have given the cat a jetpack anyway

[dry pebble]

What does Vishkar has exactly done to Rio

[grand osprey]

am i allowed to be a hater on jetpack cat's lore cause it is the cheesiest most randomest thing ever 😭

[shrewd pivot]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/domina/ if you are able to access this page, the arrows show lore

[dry pebble]

Thank you

[fossil wren]

I honestly would have liked the new heroes to have had a comic introduction, it would have been funny to see Sojourn reaction to the idea of a cat with a jetpack on the team

[dry pebble]

FR

I miss the origin videos so much

They had so much aura within them

And they were unique, short and efficient way of showcasing characters lore

[shrewd pivot]

Yes. I am a leetle hater too. Fika could have been a furby style cat unit omnic to explore omnics that are domestic tools awakening and what that means for them. Hammond had a robot hamster concept art, so it's not completely out of left field for a robot animal.

[shrewd pivot]

I miss those animatic origin shorts, (Sigma's was peak), helped tie in wildly different heroes into the same universe.

[dry pebble]

Moira's was peak too

Echo too

Another fact was that those videos had the characters their own themes

I don't know why even like

Give up to that

I would rather Vendetta and Juno have these videos too instead of their animations

I don't think animation is bad i just don't like that style

[shrewd pivot]

I agree

[dry pebble]

Oh no no no

I was simply curious about the Vishkar, Rio beef

[shrewd pivot]

2d animatic origin shorts like Sigma animatics, and then detailed 3D like "Reign of Talon" should remain the staple, it's iconic imagery

[dry pebble]

Yeah

2D animatics should be a regular activity we should be normally seeing upon a hero release.

[shrewd pivot]

Yes, it says Domina was the one to secure the Rio redevelopment for Vishkar. Under "pressure makes a diamond" arrow

I imagine Lúcio must hate Domina if Lúcio knows Domina is the one to do that to Rio.

[dry pebble]

Oh so Domina wasn't an obscure character that added randomly to the game

This made me love Domina more, she is in the same reign of importance within Emre

[shrewd pivot]

We never knew Domina existed until the Vendetta meet up with Domina, but we did know Sanjay and Symmetra must have bosses. Domina is one of the bosses.

[dry pebble]

Even that i might say i was wrong bout Sanjay should've replaced her thing

[dry pebble]

Oh so she is way ABOVE them

Only if she looked way more older and used her arms to shoot instead of equipping gun

[shrewd pivot]

Yes. Domina is a new character, but not an unexpected boss in Vishkar. We know Sanjay was Symmetra's boss. But we also knew Sanjay had unnamed bosses.

Domina is a very good foil to Symmetra, and I can't wait to see Symmetra uncover the big reveal about Vishkar's founder's death.

[shrewd pivot]

Yes, vice president is very high up.

[grand osprey]

i was just expecting a lot more for an animal hero considering she’s only the third one ✌️the way they wrote the lore made it seem like it was for a kids show and not at all what i expect for overwatch because their lore is for the most part pretty good

[shrewd pivot]

There are often multiple vice presidents in a company. So Domina is the Vice President of "Operations and Development", but there might be other Vice Presidents for different sectors in Vishkar

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah JPC feels like a meme more than an overwatch character atm. Overwatch IS very "Saturday morning cartoon" but imo overwatch still has some grit to it. I just hope her lore reveals some kind of explanation for why she is not a normal cat eventually (soon pls) lol.

[hushed shard]

idk vendetta seems to have this far more figured out than doomfist did

[dry pebble]

JPC's addition was to attract playerbase to begin with

Like i don't think there's further reason

[shrewd pivot]

It's due to ideology differences.

Doomfist wants chaos for humanity to grow. A lot of loose connections for selfish interests.

Vendetta wants power, so a well oiled "evill Talon organization" machine works for her goals.

[dry pebble]

It's just what title says i knew there wouldnt be much deeply think within it

[hushed shard]

lowkey rooting for vendetta here

[wise grotto]

Vendetta also doesn’t think about consequences
If she didn’t do anything ow would have been disbanded already

[civic lynx]

Sombra plz get him outta there

[shrewd pivot]

I have a feeling Vendetta will go the "Roman Empire" arc, where Talon becomes too vast to manage and fractures with villains scrambling for the scraps. Vendetta will probably be like Ceasar, she gets backstabbed, maybe by Maximilien who is obviously scheming something.

I think an organized Talon global threat will allow Overwatch the "reason" to exist once more on the global stage.

[shrewd pivot]

Her vendetta/honor says she should be the one to crush overwatch ig.

[civic lynx]

https://fixupx.com/playoverwatch/status/2021344143541141630?s=46

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch)

After a tense standoff, Freja and Emre discuss what comes next 💥
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︀︀Join Olivia Le Andersen, the voice actor behind Freja, and Kerem Erdinc, the voice actor behind Emre, for a reading of our newest short story, ‘Another Life.’ 📚

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FixupX · Feb 10, 2026, 10:02 PM

[shrewd pivot]

I seriously wonder what Doomfist had Sigma doing beyond being Moira's experiment. Like what research, specifically? Or was he just a powerful ally to keep that Moira also happened to experiment on. Hm

[civic lynx]

I do hope we get more info on this when doom returns to lore

[slow wasp]

Lmao, they removed dooms lore description 😭

[hushed shard]

it fell off anyway

[quartz rampart]

freja is a ride or die

i have to respect it

aint no way this is just friendship alone though

😭

[civic lynx]

I fear they usually don’t like to confirm relationships so they can let fan ships be popular

[quartz rampart]

them putting focus on the story now gives me hope

[slow wasp]

Didnt emre get a voice line in the bp where he asks "what are we"?

[civic lynx]

They’ve had 10 years to confirm Gency and have removed things hinting at it multiple times to let fan ships remain popular

[quartz rampart]

"a miserable pile of secrets"

[shrewd pivot]

Oh Emre is like. Fully out of it. Like days blacked out

Huh. Emre might be like a "bad end" Sombra scenario where the eye conspiracy got to Emre and is remotely controlling him.

The dynamic between Emre and Freja is really interesting bc Freja was doing the right things (S&R) for the wrong reasons (thrill) while now Freja is doing the right thing (saving Emre) for the wrong reasons (compromising her morals to follow Emre to Talon)

That's pretty interesting character writing. Glad it remains friendship here. I do think this is really interesting though bc Emre so far seems to be a relatively good guy, working for overwatch and quiting when corruption over ran, not he seemingly is being forced against his will to do evil things. I wonder how this arc will end.

[shrewd pivot]

It's a valentines day line, other heroes got valentines day lines too.

[slow wasp]

and then theres Anran whos getting new years voice lines 😭. The valentines ones make sense tbf

[civic lynx]

I wonder if they will slowly decipher this thing on emre’s page

[shrewd pivot]

Year there's lunar new year event soon too, so Anran is featured with emotes and in some chibi art with Anran, Wuyang, Juno, Mei, and Jetpack Cat lol

[shrewd pivot]

The first three lines seem like a cipher, so I imagine someone could probably crack the code for it

[delicate cape]

So, what exactly is Mizuki's deal? Far as I know (which to be fair, isn't a lot), he's the only newcomer who doesn't have any ties to another character.

[civic lynx]

He will be linked to kiriko and eventually join OW

he knows and is friends with/has been helped by Kiriko’s father who’s being held by the hashimoto

Now that he’s infiltrated the yokai (faction Kiri is in) he will choose to leave the hashimoto and protect his new friends

[shrewd pivot]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/mizuki/

He was mentored by Kiriko’s dad, family is seemingly "unlucky" (it's a common trope of Taoist monk curses following a family line in Wuxia media as well as various Japanese media mythos and anime. Mizuki is very jujutsu kaisen vibes to me idk lol) and he is forced to work for the Hashimoto bc of family debt. He will most likely defect to Kiriko’s Yōkai gang and overwatch.

[hushed shard]

new lore drop dropped

[civic lynx]

I assume S3’s hashimoto hero will be one of the clan elders who goes after Mizuki

[hushed shard]

frej and emre had something going on

they were not just friends

[snow fractal]

They were best friends

[hushed shard]

she did allat for him

[hollow oar]

NEW EMRE COMIC AHYIFRUGJHGHHJ SO PEAK

[snow fractal]

Best friend alert

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I explained in prior messages about unfortunate implications with a 10 year age gap, but yeah Freja has romantic subtext towards Emre but Emre thus far hasn't returned the feelings it seems?

[hushed shard]

okay so it isnt just me that feels it

would i do that for my best friend? yes

would i act that way? no

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah Freja's prior comic where she is searching for Emre read as romantic subtext.
This comic can still read that way too with prior context. Freja is 34, Emre is 44.

It's just that Freja was a new recruit 23 maximum with 33 Emre as a seasoned agent at in og overwatch. So I would personally prefer Emre to be written as platonic in og overwatch as Freja's mentor... He was seemingly a good guy in og overwatch, even left when og overwatch got too corrupt, but the eye conspiracy got him and is now being forced against his will to do evil acts.

[hushed shard]

the current way im reading it is similar, the age difference but its leading me to think that freja likes emre but emre doesnt share the feeling back due to the age difference, which is common to see typically the older person wont share the feeling, i wonder whatll happen

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah that's what I am reading too

Same here. I am very interested in Emre's eye conspiracy. I wonder if he was forced to get the cyborg parts, or if he got them in a similar way to how Sombra got cybernetics to try and escape, but it's that Wmre was caught.

[dense garnet]

We have an official name for the Japanese magic now

[dense garnet]

Anima Kusarigama

Basically weapon tech in the appearance of animals

[wise grotto]

Hell yea (calling it magic still whike it’s even called tech by name)

I wish kirikos version of it was more apparent then it is

[dense garnet]

I think they're just calling it Anima for short

[hushed shard]

im not sure what i think, but sombra or hazard may play apart in it, those two are currently the biggest cybernetic freaks right now

[dense garnet]

But yeah Kiriko's dad makes Anima

[wise grotto]

But they kinda finally gave us fucking something to explain kirikos fox so I’m happy about this

My biggest issue and really only big issue is at Least bandaided

[hushed shard]

anima, thats the power system in gachiakuta

[hushed shard]

woulda been funnier if kirko was just hallucinating the fox the entire time

[shrewd pivot]

kusarigama is a weapon, a scythe with chain.

Anima could refers to animal or even "Anima" as seen in certain psychology models, Anima being the unconcious. Or Anima as in spirit.

[dense garnet]

Yeah Mizuki has an Anima gifted to him by Toshiro, I don't know what it's supposed to be though

It's obviously related to the chain and ult

[shrewd pivot]

Kappa. His vibes have little to do with Kappa tho lol a Tengu would have fit better (wind, bad luck yokai, hat wearing) it's really bizzare

[dense garnet]

Ahh

So yeah we at least have a name for what they're using. We just don't know what it is exactly. Whether it's some form of hard light

Because the fox for example feels too alive

It's not like some kind of lifelight

Biolight rather

[shrewd pivot]

Might be similar to inti tech being ancient.

Japanese bladesmiths were believed to embody weapons with souls so Anima is probably a scifi take on that.

[chrome summit]

So I guess that with the new faction season thing we are deciding how the story will unfold, like in Sea Of Thieves. If Overwatch wins the invasion on Gibraltar will be a semi-success with Overwatch being capable to repel Talon but well having serious problems like Gibraltar on fire. If Talon wins then Gibraltar will be completly destroyed or taken and probably they will kidnap and convert Echo. It's strange that they are giving us 2 Echo skins, one of The New Era if you are on team Overwatch and a Talon skin if you are on the bad guys team. I think we are literally choosing Echo's fate

[cyan crow]

Is it wild of me to side with talon out of curiosity

[dense garnet]

2 sections of the cat's lore is redacted

There's gonna be so much

[chrome summit]

Tbf Talon rewards look cooler but you are giving Echo to Talon ;c

[shrewd pivot]

The only thing the kitsune can't explain through scifi, is the ai 'possession' of organic humans aspect, as seen in Kiriko’s ult possessing the little girl to not just get an adrenaline rush, but to have axe use proficiency.

Healing? Mercy can do that
Tp? Symmetra canonically teleports
Suzu? Baptiste has an immortality field

The only odd thing is the "kitsune ai possessing organic humans" aspect imo

[minor oyster]

I thought Null Sector was the big bad, not Talon.

[cyan crow]

Oh??

Null sector was affiliated with talon to push rams agenda

After he got what he wanted he dipped

[civic lynx]

Null sector’s gone (for now) to allow talon to be main villain

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah

[fallow mantle]

that new story is awesome

[civic lynx]

They’ll definitely be back eventually since talon can’t be main villains forever

[minor oyster]

I think I need to research what changed between 1 and 2.

[shrewd pivot]

It's not encrypted/redacted, Jet pack cat sat on the keyboard lol

I am not joking btw, that's the intended joke with the text spam.

[chrome summit]

Good guys: Overwatch
Bad guys: Talon
Semi bad guys that cause mass genocide for a good reason: Null Sector

[cyan crow]

I love that even ram hates Maximilian cuz all he cares for is greed and not their people 😭

[dense garnet]

I think the girl wielding the axe is more of a gag and just shows off how the kitsune rush is a strength and adrenaline booster

[cyan crow]

Isn't kiriko's whole schtick like keeping the healing ritual stuff going from her family's generation or smth like that

Smth in her cinematic had smth to do with that

[dense garnet]

Oh I know, but they're definitely redacting lore for later

[minor oyster]

Does Rammatra actually dislike all his enemies? I'd think he'd be more like Magneto where he understands why they get in his way and treats them more as obstacles.

[wooden drift]

He doesn't care about humans. No hate

[cyan crow]

Only human ones

He hates humankind

[wooden drift]

He's all about omnics

[cyan crow]

But he does care for bastion and echo

[wooden drift]

Did he even met with them canonically?

[chrome summit]

Nah the real problem is the kitsune itself. Like it's her somewhat god and she spawns it for her ult. There is no mention that she has biolight and as far as ik LifeWeaver did not share it with anyone

[minor oyster]

He's also fighting the only confirmed anti-racist (Tracer)

[cyan crow]

I dont think so, no

[shrewd pivot]

Ramattra was preventing omnic extinction by preserving omnic minds in the subjugation helmets. Extreme? Yes. Genocide? No, Ramattra was not aiming to kill off humanity, he aimed to capture omnics. Humanity was committing global genocide against awakened omnics, if anything.
After the null sector invasion, Ramattra did indeed prevent omnic extinction. Ramattra plans to wait out humanity's conflict, he has no interest in having humanity from itself. Once humanity lives it's natural lifespan as a species, Ramattra will release omnics to live a life free from humanity's oppression.

[cyan crow]

But echo does ask him if the names they called his model [body model] bother him

He also makes sure bastion has twigs for Ganymede

[minor oyster]

Did blizzard ever explain why omnics like zen and ram had comparable intelligence and moral significance to humans?

[fallow mantle]

oh yeah that new story they're totally banging lmao

kidding but lol

tension

[cyan crow]

Probably did but not in-depth

[minor oyster]

They're not stupid, but for any kind of "robots are their own intelligent beings" story, you kinda have to justify that in universe.

[shrewd pivot]

Aurora's awakening granted every omnic sapience. Awakened Omnics are probably smarter than most humans.

[chrome summit]

Yeah I was not saying Ramattra is evil but he destroyed the homes of thousands and killed maybe even more, for a good reason yes but he still did it. So basically Ramattra won?

[hushed shard]

im not sure if i understand this, but theyre just humans in robot bodies basically, they can learn and develop their own morals and senses of justice

[cyan crow]

Ramattra is justified with his agenda, but my best assumption is cuz since they're following the practice of monks that might explain the moral part

For zen at least

[chrome summit]

If this is true I hope it goes well

[cyan crow]

Blizzard if you can hear me give me more Zarya lore plz

[minor oyster]

Thing is that omnics exist on a spectrum of this considering the bastion units and omnics around the maps that are like workers.

[cyan crow]

Oh they put the blackwatch cinematic in game

W

[fallow mantle]

I NOTICED THAT TOO

[civic lynx]

Add the storm rising cinematic challenge

[minor oyster]

I'm waiting for hampter lore

(He has basically none)

[grave saddle]

Hopefully he gets some with upcoming mauga plan

[minor oyster]

"Is Wrecking Ball in overwatch"

Paid in brigitte's cookies.

[snow fractal]

Domina’s bobbies? Hardlight or nah?

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah yeah ofc! Ramattra did very extreme actions. I see it kind of like how humanity stops poachers from killing critically endangered animals via force (which is moral), so humanity was poaching awakened omnics (who cannot reproduce) so Ramattra used force to capture awakened omnics to get them into a safe facility so poachers couldn't kill them (against the will of said omnics ofc, which isn't moral, but i suppose kidnapping critically endangered species from the wild to help preserve the species isn't exactly moral either. Creates really good philosophy discussion there about free will and systems). Ramattra was written to be an antagonist but not an evil villain, according to his writer.

And pretty much, yeah. Ramattra 'won' in that he has prevented awakened omnic extinction. Ramattra wanted to capture as many omnics as possible tho, regrets he couldn't save more. He is chilling in the arctic as all this Vendetta stuff unfolds.

Since Vendetta is keeping Sigma imprisoned though, and since Vendetta views Doomfist Talon's alliance with Nullsector as a failure, I can't imagine Vendetta would just.... Leave Null Sector alone in the arctic? She might actually view Null Sector as a threat to her empire/power. Vendetta might attack Nullsector or demand those omnics serve Vendetta. I can't imagine Ramattra would agree with a future of his people being oppressed by Vendetta/Talon, so we will have to see how it all plays out.

[cyan crow]

The mash-up of the old cinematics is so peak 😭

Why does she see the null sector alliance a failure if ramattra won in the end 💀

That wasn't really talons fight to begin with

[grave saddle]

Feel like whilst he believes what he was doing was good, taking the choice forcibly away from awakened omnics when auroras gift was all about choice seems to be a tad evil, intentional or not

[wooden drift]

Probably cuz Talon didn't do shit at that moment

[cyan crow]

They didn't really have to do much tho

[wooden drift]

And the whole alliance with null sector didn't do anything for Talon

It was more of a waste of resources

Ram was just using Talon

And left after he got what he wanted

[minor oyster]

Well-

[cyan crow]

I think they had nothing to benefit from that anyways so

[minor oyster]

Actually that was likely because of the PVE getting cancelled

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah that's his big "sin" committed(pointed out directly in his short story with Nameless), we don't know why Ramattra didn't ask (maybe to prevent being chased by anti-omnic groups once he stored omnic minds?) but Ramattra's question was "how to save a world that doesn't want to be saved?" Which is really tragic. Like, without any way to reproduce awakened omnics would be forced to plead with humanity over generations to not kill omnics for the rest of thier existence which is not true peace, or simply watch awakened omnics be killed off one by one into extinction. Ramattra wanted a future free from suffering for his people, it's really easy to understand how he got to the point he did as an antagonist.

[wooden drift]

Even if pve continued I don't think Talon would've benefitted from it

[minor oyster]

Also 's still just moping around right

[wooden drift]

Rammatra was the centre of it

I wouldn't mind too see any leaked scripts for the pve

[minor oyster]

Also what amounted of the Sombra cinematic?

[wooden drift]

Just to see those what ifs

[shrewd pivot]

Doomfist wanted chaos, Nullsector caused Chaos

[civic lynx]

I think the only thing blizzard themselves (technically) ever showed of the scrapped PvE missions were concept art for a ram assassination attempt and doom in Antarctica

[wooden drift]

And that's why Vendetta thinks the whole plan was stupid

[civic lynx]

Would be cool if they ever gave more context to those concepts

[shrewd pivot]

Forget leaked scripts give us those pve cinematics that will never see the light of day. I want Zenyatta lore 💔

[minor oyster]

To be perfectly fair about the second part, humans rightfully treat the ability to create another senitient being with the ability to affect the outcomes of geopolitics pretty delicately, whereas an omnic can be built in under a week and have the sentience required to cast a ballot.

[wooden drift]

Yeah, if they killed off Ram people would've been angry ngl

[minor oyster]

Like what would justify Ram's vision to create another being out of nothing and who would get a say in his ideal society?

[shrewd pivot]

It's more that Null sectors global attack let overwatch have a reason to be active again, and Vendetta saw that as a failure.

[wooden drift]

This Doomfist skin would go so hard

[minor oyster]

I think the better explanation is that Doom wanted more power to rise whilst Vendetta herself wants to seize it from the world.

[shrewd pivot]

I'm still SO SAD we didn't get that shoulder hole in his monk skin. Primordial seems to be a remnant of this concept art.

I presume this is the memtioned event that occured when Ramattra saved Zenyatta from some danger in the early monk days. It would have been SO COOL to see that scene in animated cinematic 🥀

[wooden drift]

Hope they'll comeback to old concepts in the future

[civic lynx]

I think we’ll eventually see PvE’s story beats reworked into seasonal lore once talon is defeated

[wooden drift]

Cuz I feel like it can still be salvaged

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah Akande as Doomfist wants to foster humanity's growth (ie Akande funded Efi) while Vendetta wants power and to rule (she would not have uplifted Efi like Akande had, Vendetta only wants servants not usurping)

[civic lynx]

Either with null sector or a new more violent faction

[shrewd pivot]

I have a feeling Vendetta's arc will end with a power vacuum so that leaves anything open to happening tbh

[wooden drift]

Max maybe

Hes the most obvious contestant to backstab and take everything for himself

[shrewd pivot]

CALL HER ANTI-OMNIC BS OUT RAMATTRA 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

Gosh I love this, it really explores world building and philosophies when they aren't afraid to write anti-villains like Freja, I love it when characters are forced to face hypocrisy to showcase philosophy in media
https://x.com/mushroomiiee/status/2021341051232129354?s=20

Shroomiiee (@mushroomiiee)

RAMATTRA AND FREJA INTERACTION!

"So you found your quarry at last, hunter."

▶ Play video

X · Feb 10, 2026, 9:50 PM

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah he is def scheming something

[wooden drift]

Just hope his plan wouldn't be some complicated nonsense

[shrewd pivot]

Also something to note, Emre seemed to be pro-omnic while Freja is anti-omnic. Iirc Emre had interest in things dealing with omnic rights.

And Freja is straight up anti-omnic.

[wooden drift]

Liberal boyfriend and his racist girlfriend..

[shrewd pivot]

More like liberal mentor and bigoted student with a crush on mentor. Atleast, I hope so lol

[wooden drift]

They obviously going romantical way

[shrewd pivot]

I hope not only bc of odd dynamic (23 new recruit Freja with 33 seasoned agent Emre is better as platonic mentor student imo where Freja seemingly had romantic feelings for Emre, if it was a different dynamic like instead bonded later at 34+44 vets then the ship would be more okay for dramatic tension imo), Emre hasn't returned romantic feelings in canon yet, and seems pretty strong-ethics considering he left og overwatch due to corruption. But Freja def has romantic subtext to Emre so I would agree with that read of Freja feeling romantic towards Emre.

If anything it's almost like a poetic narrative karma to Freja (who did the right things of S&R for the wrong reasons of thrill) to watch the one person she cared for become the very situation she discriminated against, all while knowing it was never going to be anything further between them.

[grave saddle]

I think I remember seeing Emre fought with Soujourn on omnic rights but couldn’t point to where that is

[edgy meadow]

new short is great

[wooden drift]

Eh, it was kinda meh

[karmic crown]

Is it possible to new pve missions now on Overwatch 3?

[grave saddle]

100% easy to understand how he got there. Same with characters like thanos. But looking into the weeds of their actions proves undeniable evil was caused

[shrewd pivot]

Hm ok I might be remembering wrong, iirc it was Emre working with omnic rights in some manner. I ought to look it up then.

Something i am personally suprised about, is that Vendetta kept UP the omnic art. I am very suprised Vendetta seemingly isn't anti omnic at all.

[edgy meadow]

it didnt blow my mind but i enjoyed the character writing

[grave saddle]

Sorry may have miscommunicated, I believe Emre fought alongside soujorn*

[edgy tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP3Pba3mo7M ya'll seen this?

I knew bro was being controlled

[karmic crown]

He was on comics

[edgy tree]

He also had no recollection of what happens when the ai takes over

[karmic crown]

It is pretty clear whatever infiltrated his body, is controlling him somehow

Btw, what is Emre age

[brittle sky]

What, the short story?

[edgy tree]

It's controlling his body rather than him

[shrewd pivot]

Mmm... Ramattra isn't nearly Thanos level. Thanos was extremely misguided bc half the life existing doesn't remove scarcity at all lol.

Ramattra is more akin to an allegory to an enslaved group revolting against oppressors. Awakened omnics were in canon being killed off into extinction by humanity. Ramattra had the choice to sit by and watch as global awakened omnic numbers declined, or stand up and FIGHT for the chance of preventing omnic extinction, a desperate last ditch attempt. And Ramattra did indeed prevent omnic extinction.

Again, I see it as poaching a critically endangered species. Awakened omnics cannot reproduce and were being poached by humanity, so Ramattra used forced to gather awakened omnics away from poachers.

[edgy tree]

44 preety sure

[brittle sky]

44. One away from the minimum to avoid overwatch hiring child soldiers.

[edgy tree]

but yeah Freya is confirmed to only tag along with Talon because of Emre

[grave saddle]

Do we know if sombra in canon ever called in any favours with the head of Volskaya?

[edgy tree]

they both don't want to do this but have no choise

[edgy meadow]

yuh

[shrewd pivot]

Oh! Ok thanks! Yeah I think it was something like that too. Emre seems to be pro-omnic, while Freja is written as definitely anti-omnic.

[karmic crown]

I still dont know how Pharah and Mercy have so low age gap

[shrewd pivot]

Hot take: both Genji x Mercy AND Pharah x Mercy aren't good for overwatch canon imo.

[grave saddle]

Yeah that comparison also falls short though because saving animals from poachers isn’t taking sapient free will away. You are definitively saving them. But with sapient omnics some of them would have rather died than be subjugated, if not a lot of them depending on what subjugation feels like

[brittle sky]

Really just the one photo that comes out to what, pharah at 12 and mercy at 17?

[brittle sky]

Conceptually solid. Prose was quite rough.

[edgy tree]

Mercy does have the whole slow down aging suit

their Age diffrence might be closer now

[edgy meadow]

wdym, the dialogue?

[edgy tree]

it's kinda weird how it's not really expanded on though

[brittle sky]

Implied never certain. If regular use of the nanites do slow her aging, it merely explains how she has no visible signs of age. It does not mean her biological age and chronological age is different, like with mei.

[grave saddle]

It’s not like ram wouldn’t have known this fact, but he made the choice to do so anyway. He made the god call that he knew what was best for the omnic people without asking them

[edgy tree]

just double checked and it seems to just be a fan theory

she just young just because

she eats her greens ig

[brittle sky]

The og game outright implies it with her being dodgy when mei comments on her lack of aging.

[karmic crown]

Idk, Mercy is not implied to be a young member of Overwatch

[hollow oar]

im praying that the emre freja ship doesnt end up becoming canon, i love their character dynamic but i think they're so much more interesting when its more like a mentorish close friendship

[shrewd pivot]

For sure, Ramattra's main 'sin' in his story is not giving subjugated omnics a choice. Ramattra is an antagonist in overwatch because he denies free will to chose this, and Ramattra lost hope in humanity.
"How do you save a world that does not want to be saved"
Subjugation is seemingly a deep sleep, Ramattra plans to wait out humanity's natural lifespan, then release omnics when humans are extinct. Ramattra isn't, atleast not indicated in canon yet, trying to cause human extinction. He recognizes humanity "does not want to share this world" so he is doing what he sees as necessary to secure a future free from humanity's oppression for his people, all while not going out to kill humanity in revenge. If anything Ramattra refusing to save humanity from itself is a "suffer as I have".

[karmic crown]

Like Tracer

[edgy tree]

Or she just doesn't wanna talk about it

[karmic crown]

Also, come on

[edgy tree]

uknow how Women be about their age

[karmic crown]

If Mercy was 17 when she joined Overwatch

She should be a prodigy

Which became a doctor at 15 or whatever

[brittle sky]

Writing around the dialogue, mostly. Excessive exposition while failing to track the action or pain a scene. Any internality is stating the obvious rather than reveals interesting thoughts, experiences, or memory.

[hollow oar]

dayum i never knew that mercy was so locked in

[brittle sky]

This is the update they ship beards and bonnets for all.

[edgy tree]

She did make the healing nanotech

[brittle sky]

She wasn't in ow at the time of the picture, just visiting while they courted her for her research.

[foggy crescent]

So is null sector just irrelevant now or is ram cooking something Up behind the scenes

[edgy tree]

He's the cook

[karmic crown]

Idk, the fact she was taking pictures so close to Ana/Reaper/Soldier also indicates she shouldnt be a new member to the organization

[edgy tree]

or they just had a relation

[brittle sky]

I think he's just chilling with the thousands of omnics he forcibly raptured to the cloud.

[foggy crescent]

What could he be cooking

[hollow oar]

maybe she gets to be in the group photo because she's the goat inventing the nanotech healing and all that stuff

[grave saddle]

Yeah I agree that ram doesn’t seemingly want to kill humans but not so sure whether that’s due to the fact he wouldn’t morally or the fact he thinks he couldn’t. Unless there’s something that alludes to one or the other

[karmic crown]

I wish so much we had archives rerun on the game. They could make PvE events missions which are now related to Talon and Null sector and Rammatra/Talon heroes

[grave saddle]

Sombra uses her blackmail on Volskaya to create doomfists new arm: Cinema

[karmic crown]

Yes, which would indicate for her being a completely nuts prodigy which started college at 13 and invented the nano technology thing at 15 and was hired by Overwatch at 17

Thats just assumptions

But

Tbh i would understand more if she simply doesnt age

What is the theory about Reaper/Widow/Sombra fate?

Its funny that the first 4 talon members we got playable arent from Talon anymore

[shrewd pivot]

Which is why I find his story so tragic. Ramattra is willing to be the matyr, to be the one to blame, sacrifice everything, if means he CAN save omnics from being killed by humanity. It's a very compelling story for an antagonist.

And while awakened omnics are not animals ofc, there's something to be said about "is it worth to keep animals in captivity for efforts to prevent extinction? Or allow them to live freely at risk of poaching?" -- omnics imo should have gotten the choice. I have to imagine Ramattra has a good reason not to announce this publicly. Perhaps he wanted to prevent anti-omnic groups from chasing down the subjugated omnics? Or perhaps he thinks it is not fair to ask awakened omnics that have been fooled into Mondatta's teachings to 'choose', when awakened omnics have never tasted life free from humanity's oppression before. Notably, both Zenyatta AND Ramattra reject Mondatta's pacifist dogmatic approaches to omnic human unity. Zenyatta AND Ramattra are willing to use force. It's just that Zenyatta focuses on interpersonal connections + values the good in the world today + has not lost hope in humanity, while Ramattra values community + sees that human-omnic unity is a futile long struggle + has lost hope in humanity.

[karmic crown]

I kinda see Sombra joining Overwatch ngl

Kinda

Tbh she wasnt even completely loyal to Talon

She joins what is better for her

And i kinda see she joining Overwatch now if its a good deal for her

[shrewd pivot]

If overwatch can protect her from the eye conspiracy, absolutely i could see Spmbra working with overwatch. But it wouldn't suprise me if Sombra stayed unrelated to overwatch either. Hype to see what ends up happening.

[karmic crown]

Also, what if Doom joins Overwatch temporarily to dethrone Vendetta and then get back to Talon?

I can see either him or Widow doing that

The only one i dont see joining Overwatch is Reaper

[grave saddle]

Yeah for sure, I do think Rams motivations are incredibly compelling as a character

[grave saddle]

I think the updates on the website are somewhat telling for sombra and widow

Reapers reason is just that he didn’t think vendetta would spare his life, which makes sense

In sombras it mentions how she keeps close tabs on talon because sigma is still in prison. I’m not sure if those two have had a link in lore in the past but that’s pretty interesting if not

[karmic crown]

They are supposed to be super close

[grave saddle]

And widows seems to outright suggest that widowmaker somehow managed to steal the drug that moira keeps her on a leash with. It says she took the opportunity to “break free” which to me implies that drug is no longer holding her to moira

[karmic crown]

But i was thinking more about yk

[grave saddle]

Oh okay, interesting

[karmic crown]

What will happen to them now

[shrewd pivot]

I say all this while also noting, absolutely it does not 'excuse' the innocents killed during the Nullsector invasion in canon. That is an evil that Ramattra must carry.

I personally would have written Nullsector differently to better showcase Ramattra's philosophy, but I digress. Ram is a character where you can understand how he got there, humanity put him into a world and position where Ram was forced to make an impossible decision, no option would be truely moral.

[karmic crown]

Moira gonna be the next dead

For sure

[frail grove]

We may acc get Sombra working with Overwatch so they can help her with Sigma

[grave saddle]

Yeah I do think that lore helps shape those theories tho. If widow did manage to get the drug then she isn’t just going to be struggling to get by reliving her bad memories. She can take action

[karmic crown]

Widow is gonna HS her

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah the image of Mercy at 17 was not when Mercy was officially an overwatch member. She was just heavily involved with the Lindholm family and overwatch was a part of that life.

[frail grove]

What drug is Widow tryna get

[karmic crown]

The drug that made her a Talon pet

For all these years

[frail grove]

Ah she tryna get her memories as Amelie back?

[karmic crown]

Widow was the wife of a very important Overwatch member, she was kidnapped and Talon experimented several drugs on her and made her a loyal assassin

[shrewd pivot]

Ramattra is cooking something, he said this was only phase 1.

[frail grove]

Yh Gerrard IK

[grave saddle]

The drug stops the bad memories coming back

[karmic crown]

She still has memories

[grave saddle]

And alludes to maintaining her skill but I think it’s unclear whether that’s done by just holding back those bad memories

[karmic crown]

Its implied that even when she was on Talon, she still had memories about Gerrard

The drugs probably only affect her emotions as a whole

[shrewd pivot]

It wouldn't suprise me if the drug kept her sharp as well as suppressing certain memories.

[karmic crown]

So she doesnt feel anything bad coming from killing and dont think about leaving Talon

[fossil wren]

In one of the Christmas comics, she even visits his grave

[karmic crown]

Yes

Widow and Sombra are very likely to join Overwatch

Sombra to help Sigma and Widow because of her past

The only one probably not joining Overwatch is Reyes

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah which is why overwatch lore saying Widowmaker "chose" to join Talon is so odd to me, if Widowmaker was under Moira's grip due to the drug reliance/observation from Moira and was a sleeper agent assassin by Talon's design, Amelie was at best manipulated into joining Talon. It's like blaming an addict(medical condition) for being addicted to drugs from a drug dealer by saying she "chose" Talon. Amelie was kidnapped and brainwashed to begin with, she didn't chose to be kidnapped to become a sleeper agent lol.

[grave saddle]

Yeah I think you’re right. The drugs suppress the emotions related to those memories, which keeps widow hooked not only because it seemingly boosts her skill but also to stop that rush of emotion coming back

[karmic crown]

I wish we get more recorrent lore

[grave saddle]

Whatever happens with sombra next I need some interaction between her and Emre

[karmic crown]

Instead of 1 comic each 3 months

[fossil wren]

Reaper has already killed Overwatch ex agents and attempted to kill more multiple times

[grave saddle]

She has to find out about him

[fossil wren]

He's not coming back

Unfortunately, Reyes is already too far gone to be redeemed

[grave saddle]

Well presumably she already knew unless Emre only worked for Max but doubt that

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I wonder if Sombra was ever aware Emre was involved with the eye conspiracy. I mean certainly Sombra had to have some idea right? Even if the Emre chest eye isn't canon to story, Sombra would be tracking his whereabouts.

[karmic crown]

I wonder

Vendetta knows that Reaper killed her father

But how about Moira?

[grave saddle]

I mean she must have. Even if Emre only worked for Max Sombra would be collecting info on all those guys

[karmic crown]

She was literally there when Black Watch raided her father house

[shrewd pivot]

Moira was there when it happened, so yes Moira knows Reyes killed Antonio.

[grave saddle]

An overwatch agent who goes off grid and suddenly comes back a cold hearted killer should tick off alarm bells

[karmic crown]

But how about Vendetta?

[fossil wren]

Vendetta surely knows, but Moira is a valuable asset

[karmic crown]

She wouldnt spare Reyer, but why does she trust so much Moira when she helped killing her father?

[fossil wren]

Reaper, on the other hand, is just another killer, and she can get plenty of those

[shrewd pivot]

In game voice lines prior seemed to imply Vendetta knew Reaper was Reyes, but new voicelines have Reaper saying Vendetta will kill Reaper if she finds him, and that Reaper would "take down sombra" with him if Vendetta ever got to Reaper. I presume this means Reaper would reveal Sombra's identity as Olivia.

So I have no idea if Vendetta actually knows in canon atm. or why if she did know, she wouldn't imprison/kill Reaper on the spot.

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[grave saddle]

On the overwatch site it does seem to imply that Moiras existence in blackwatch was made public after the incident so vendetta would defo know

[karmic crown]

I want a lot a cinematic or comic or whatever of Mauga going to junkertown

[grave saddle]

She knows moiras loyalty lies solely with those who can fund her research

[dense garnet]

Kiriko says "cleansing your curse" when cleansing Mizuki

[karmic crown]

Why is Sombra identity important?

[fossil wren]

It's very likely that Reaper said, "Shit, time to run," as soon as Vendetta defeated Doomfist

[fossil wren]

Because the conspiracy knows who she was before she became Sombra

[dense garnet]

The conspiracy doesn't know that Sombra is that same hacker girl

[shrewd pivot]

Olivia became "Sombra" to hide from the eye conspiracy.

[karmic crown]

Oh, but Vendetta might now

[dense garnet]

The conspiracy assumed they killed Colomar

[shrewd pivot]

It's unlikely Maximilien knows Sombra's identity, so Vendetta wouldn't know. Besides, if Vendetta learned Sombra's identity that's not the issue. The eye conspiracy learning Sombra's identity is the issue

[dense garnet]

Yeah, only Zarya knows afaik

Zarya was the one that namedropped Sombra's real name in a comic

[shrewd pivot]

It would be terrifying if the eye conspiracy could hack and control Sombra like how the eye conspiracy is currently hacking and controlling Emre.

[grave saddle]

Do we think Max had anything to do with the final fight against doomfist. Obviously they set him up to give vendetta all this info but then she just goes straight for the head and fights doomfist. I guess the current implication is that Max helped get her in that room?

[fossil wren]

Especially now that we have Finland strongest soldier in the game

[karmic crown]

I need a PvE mission of Sombra and Overwatch invading Talon to rescue Sigma ngl

[dense garnet]

I still don't care for PvE

[fossil wren]

And in Talon

[shrewd pivot]

Probably bc Maximilien says "what an... unexpected surprise"

[karmic crown]

Isnt Emre turkey?

[dense garnet]

Emre is Turkish, the AI is Finnish

[karmic crown]

Oh, fine

[fossil wren]

His ult is in Finnish because the AI is from Finland

[shrewd pivot]

Chernobog god ai of global security is in finland, and Emre speaks Finnish when controlled by eye conspiracy. So we can guess that Chernobog god ai has something to do with Emre

[dense garnet]

The AI says ERROR when trying to say hello

[fossil wren]

A Turkish soldier is controlled by a Finnish AI that makes him enter a state of unbridled violence, isn't that pretty funny when you think about it?

[karmic crown]

No

[shrewd pivot]

Meta reason: in the original Turkish line, it included a Turkish slang curse word that made the line read as "[F word] and destroy" so they used Finnish instead iirc lmafo

[karmic crown]

I feel bad for emre

F word?

Fuck?

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah

[karmic crown]

Ok

[fossil wren]

I wonder what his ultimate voiceline will be during April Fools

[grave saddle]

Man I did not realise how little lore Zarya has

[karmic crown]

Yes

She is a very strong Russian soldier

Thats it

[grave saddle]

Need Volskaya to be more involved

[sullen girder]

I just saw Gibralter? Omg they tore it up, now I’m hope ow won that fight

[shrewd pivot]

Who unlike Torbjörn with his cool story arc, Zarya suddenly went from anti omnic to not being anti omnic in a single comic. Lol
Zarya and Volkskaya industries def needs more lore.

[grave saddle]

They had jet pack cat so I’m sure they were completely fine

[fossil wren]

Well now that Sombra is working alone, I think she could pay a visit to her good friend Katya to ask for some financial help

[grave saddle]

I was thinking, maybe the omnic hero on the very left is related to the Helix security group that we know will be involved in the arc this year

Due to the deadlock raid

[shrewd pivot]

I also feel like it's so weird that Vendetta isn't anti omnic bc like. Volskaya getting omnic energy technology would be THAT more scandalous if Vendetta was anti omnic and used that as a reason to blackmail Volskaya or attack Russia.

[grave saddle]

Just because that design around their arm is like part of a helix

[wise grotto]

It’s more the line in Turkish sounded like fuck and destroy

[sullen girder]

Katya is that woman that sombra blackmailed right?

[wise grotto]

It wasn’t csuse of the turkish slang it was just csuse of how it sounded

[fossil wren]

Yep

[sullen girder]

Honestly this story could go in many many ways

[shrewd pivot]

Oh it's just a mishearing? I thought it was because the litteral translation was "Seek and destroy" but due to slang in Turkish it read as "F and destroy". Like, how certain non-vulgar words in English are used as euphemisms for vulgar things.

[grave saddle]

If doomfist is getting a rework with his death, sombra using that blackmail on Katya to make a Volskaya tech arm could be very cool

[wise grotto]

It’s either the way it sounds (the va is the one specifically who got them to change it)
It could be both though

[fresh plover]

Waittt mizuki is from hashimoto but is part of overwatch?

[wise grotto]

No he’s just a double agent in the yokai group who technically are helping ow

[shrewd pivot]

Because "to seek / seeking" sounds like a euphemism word to me idk lol. Any Turkish speakers here that could clarify?

[grave saddle]

From hashimoto, infiltrating yokai, thus affiliated to OW

[fresh plover]

what was yokai?

[wise grotto]

Kirikos group

[grave saddle]

Kirikos group

[fresh plover]

ooooo

so a double agent like you said then

but hashi is affiliated with talon no?

[grave saddle]

He’s the turtle guy hence his hat looks like a turtle shell on his back

[shrewd pivot]

Yōkai gang is the gang Kiriko leads.

Yokai in Japanese mythology are the unusual creatures like Kitsune, Kappa, etc.

Hashimoto terrorized the area after the Shimada clan fell, so Kiriko stepped up to protect the area with the Yōkai gang.

The Hashimoto sided with Vendetta's Talon.

[grave saddle]

Yeah vendetta sent talon troops to help them take Tokyo

[fresh plover]

hmmm, so kinda like sombra, who is like, doing 2 things at once

[shrewd pivot]

Mizuki is specifically has Kappa themes, semantics ofc but Kappa are different from turtles in Japanese mythos

[grave saddle]

But they have alluded to mitzuki wanting to leave his clan. And it seems like we are getting another hashimoto hero later in the year as one of the silhouettes seems to have horns

So could be a cool arc there

[fresh plover]

yeah, i think they made the japanese assasin design not generic, i like thagt

[grave saddle]

That’s cool, didn’t know that

[shrewd pivot]

Tbh that hero could be a Yōkai member. But Hashimoto is possible too.

[grave saddle]

There was a yokai member with horns so could be but the pose just seems kinda sinister lol

[fossil wren]

The Hashimotos make more use of that Oni aesthetic

[shrewd pivot]

Yep!

I am just keeping it open to being any group atp, bc only the horns are indicating.

[grave saddle]

I’m most excited for the trench coat omnic

Just already looks cool

[shrewd pivot]

Also, Mizuki is a Kappa despite the Yōkai gang already having an omnic Kappa with the same kind of "shell accessory" (Kappa have turtle boddies, not accessory shells) and Kappa beak mask so lol

[wise grotto]

There is a background member in kiris part of the ow thing who has the horns

[fresh plover]

Which side you guys on? Ow or talon

[grave saddle]

I was pretty sure that is Mizuki because they have the exact same hand it seems

[shrewd pivot]

💯 💯 💯 my guess is maybe a Fallout Nick Valentine kind of detective or Men in Black agent or Sherlock dandy or something lol

[grave saddle]

Only difference is that’s a slightly brighter green but not like that’s a dealbreaker

[shrewd pivot]

Not possible, that is an omnic and in the Yōkai group already. Mizuki is Hashimoto atm and has not yet changed sides

[grave saddle]

If they’re anything like nick valentine then it’s a win

[grave saddle]

I thought they had already infiltrated yokai and that was a mask. My bad

They do have the exact same hand so crazy coincidence and both kappa. Maybe inspiration

[shrewd pivot]

A SOMA vibe (Ana mythic lore) story would be THE FUNNIEST pull ever. "Congratulations on the new omnic hero, he's actually a digitized human!" LOL

I hope he is actually an awakened omnic tbh

[dense garnet]

Chat, I have a serious question

Do we know...

All 5 new heroes' favorite animals?

I know Domina's are chinchillas

[grave saddle]

Lmaooo

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah. Yeah.... like we really didn't need ANOTHER magic Japanese human hero so soon. I am hype for Hashimoto lore but man, Mizuki could have been an omnic instead, considering yeah, that Yōkai member. Also, Mizuki better fits a Tengu (bad luck yokai, wind, and hat wearing) idk why they made Mizuki have a Kappa theme lol

[grave saddle]

How do you know that kappa guy in the art is an omnic?

I’m just asking because the website says mizuki has infiltrated and made friends

And since they have the same hand…

[shrewd pivot]

That's the real cutting questions.

Is that true about Domina? That's super cute but also. Im getting cruela vibes i don't trust her to not wear chinchilla fur coats LOL

[dense garnet]

Yeah I had Lucio's favorite animal line for Domina and she said chinchilla unless I misheard

I don't use subtitles

[shrewd pivot]

Hands, mask. The other yōkai members are distinctly human or distinctly omnic.

Also the umbrella omnic is actually a umbrella yokai Kasa-obake idk why the pic says that yokai lol

[dense garnet]

She also has 2 lines with Lucio because they're on opposite sides

Lucio famously hates Vishkar and his soundwave gun is stolen Vishkar tech

[brittle sky]

straight up says it's both for cuteness and for coats

[dense garnet]

Oh she's evil evil

[grave saddle]

But we do only see one hand and it’s the same one which Mizuki has robotic. They all have masks to some degree but turtle is kinda hard unless you go full face

[brittle sky]

She also notably isn't asked it normally - she demands lucio does it, then answers. It's great, the line read for Lucio is different as he does it distinctly unenthusiastically

[grave saddle]

I don’t know I just think it’s very unlikely he infiltrates the group and takes the same yokai as the omnic who was already in the group and also has the exact same hand as him

Makes alot more sense that that is just Mizuki

Unless the timelines don’t work out and it simply is just the writers thinking it’s a cool design and redoing it with a new character, semi-retconning the “omnic”

[dense garnet]

They'd also have to retcon the hat, that's like a core part of Mizuki

[shrewd pivot]

I would like to believe that an omnic looking yōkai member is indeed omnic, while the humans are indeed humans.
It's also unusual for humans to have straight up omnic hands like that for prosthesis.

Regardless that omnic design is not Mizuki bc Mizuki has not defected from Hashimoto. He has never been in the yōkai gang prior.

[dense garnet]

Mizuki only recently joined the Yokai's once Vendetta got control of Talon

[grave saddle]

Mizuki does have that prosthetic hand tho. Black segments, gold knuckles, on the same hand

[shrewd pivot]

NOOOOOOO omg that's hilarious but NOOOOOOO

[dense garnet]

We know that it's a "recent" mission. He hasn't been in the Yokai's since before the Null Sector invasion

[grave saddle]

Do we know that for sure? Obviously if that is the case it’s probably not the same guy but the website doesn’t suggest whether it’s before or after vendetta took control

All we know is it happened after the yokai were formed because.. obviously

I just don’t think a tech mask rules that out from being Mizuki is all

When everything else is so similar if not identical

[shrewd pivot]

Not the same. Also the Yōkai group image is past lore, not a look into the future. The Kappa omnic could have very well inspired Mizuki's design! But Mizuki is a separate character from the omnic Yōkai gang member.

[dense garnet]

In the end I don't really think this matters in the grand scheme anyways

[grave saddle]

It’s not perfectly a match but neither is Anrans entire model to the comics/cinematic ya know lol

[dense garnet]

I'm just happy that we got actual lore for Anima

[grave saddle]

It doesn’t matter in the grand scheme but I see nothing to rule it out and it only makes more sense to me

[dense garnet]

Then use it as a headcanon ig

[grave saddle]

But could just be they designed that turtle omnic and then thought it was a cool enough vibe to reuse

[grave saddle]

Definitely not going to head canon something without more proof lol, just ain’t ruling it out

[shrewd pivot]

I get ya, but the image itself was set in the past. Mizuki had not joined the Yōkai gang yet as far as I am aware?

If it IS Mizuki that kinda sucks. Making omnic designs "actually its humans wearing armor" is a very drab retcon.

[dense garnet]

I don't think you really need proof to headcanon something, that's why it's a headcanon

People headcanon characters as many different genders and orientations

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I wonder what Anima lore has in store

[grave saddle]

The image is set in the past but none of Mizukis lore dictates when he joined the yokai as far as I can tell

But it does say they are his friends so some time has passed

[dense garnet]

I hope they expand on what Anima actually is in season 3

Assuming season 3 is focused on the Hashimoto

Because it's still super vague

And Kiriko's fox is weirdddd

[shrewd pivot]

Oh I didn't mean headcanon! I was talking lore wise what it could be. Headcanons are great, I love a good headcanon.

[grave saddle]

Many people might not need proof for their headcanons, but I do lol. Otherwise it doesn’t feel real

[dense garnet]

Kiriko's fox is practically biolight with how it behaves like a real fox

It's so weird

[shrewd pivot]

That's my thought too, inspired by prior lore designs.

[dense garnet]

If season 3 fixes my issues with Kiri, I'll be super happy

Mainly her age and the kitsune

Also Mizuki is 22 years old according to ow cavalry

[grave saddle]

Have we ever seen a canon humanoid omnic with that variation in face?

When I first saw that I always assumed it was a mask, the character behind them definitely being an omnic

[dense garnet]

Mods are a thing. Hazard talks about replacing chasis for Ravagers

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I imagine the kitsune is some kind of ai with a holo tech similar to hard light in some fashion

(BTW the possession context is mentioned prior is bc Miko shrine maiden in Shinto beliefs are believed to be able to be possessed by spirits. So the kitsune granting Kiriko, old man, and kid an adrenaline rush in cinematics works but it seems to more than that bc anyone with blue eyes has sudden proficiency as if being possessed, like a kid with axe proficiency)

[past copper]

Damn. Ain't seen Overwatch move this fast since 2016-2017

But I don't think animated shorts will be as frequent like they were back then

[dense garnet]

Then the question becomes where do they come from

We'd have to assume that Toshiro isn't just a swordsmith. He's only a swordsmith in title, but he produces anima weapons of all sorts. We actually have this confirmed to us because Mizuki's primary weapon is Toshiro's creation, and assumingly that's what lets Mizuki use his abilities

[grave saddle]

If it’s possible that’s cool but since ive never seen it I just always assumed it’s a tech mask in the same vein as genji wearing a tech mask

[dense garnet]

So if Toshiro doesn't just create swords, that would also explain where Hanzo's dragon comes from: His bow is a Toshiro creation too

[grave saddle]

That would make a lot of sense

[shrewd pivot]

I presume Anima technology is like Inti warrior tech, perhaps a secret tech passed down through generations on Kiriko’s dad's side. In ancient Japan, blacksmith were believed to imbue swords with an actual soul, so Anima is probably a scifi version of that.

[dense garnet]

It's definitely ancient tech, that's why Toshiro has to make them for the Shimadas and Hashimoto

I assume Kiriko's healing ofudas are infused with anima

Still doesn't explain her teleport though ngl lol

[shrewd pivot]

Omnics can exist with any kind of face mask tbf. Thier bodies are metal, not flesh. And in Phreaks Susie has art mods, and Hashimoto omnics have oni mask faceplate mods, so it's not unusual to think Yōkai gang would have omnics with special face plate mods too.

[bold fern]

domina likes chinchillas

[dense garnet]

I just assume Kiri's teleport is similar to Sombra's translocator, but Sombra needs to place an object down to teleport

Kiri can just teleport as we see in her cinematic

[shrewd pivot]

LMAFOOOOO Lucio says "what's your favorite animal" like he's cursing at Domina that's hysterical

[dense garnet]

"Yeah. I can see it..."

[shrewd pivot]

Lucio feels bad for those poor chinchillas....

[dense garnet]

Domina's va is delightful

Brings her to life

[bold fern]

it has that narcissism tone

i love it

[shrewd pivot]

Tbf if the kitsune is some kind of hardlight then the kitsune could be the vector for tp. Symmetra uses hardlight for tp.

[dense garnet]

I think if they wanna represent this in game, they can make it so that a kitsune appears with Kiriko when she uses her swift step

Or that we see the Kitsune guide Kiriko to her teleport target, though obviously that would nerf the teleport by giving it a travel time

[bold fern]

voice actors are cooking

vendetta is awesome

domina is awesome

[dense garnet]

Lucio looks done with the animal questions

He's too traumitized

[shrewd pivot]

I mean, I have to assume the kitsune ai is facilitating Kiriko’s powers. And her ult is canon as showing up visually out of thin air so, really anywhere the kitsune can "materalize" into out of thin air, Kiriko can probably tp to.

[dense garnet]

I just hope it gets explained inlore

[shrewd pivot]

Me too... I hope it's some kind of guardian ai or something for Kiriko.

[dense garnet]

And I still think it'd be funny if they retconned Kiriko's age by saying she lies about her age because the Yokai want a younger more rebellious leader

And hey maybe the Kitsune Rush has a side effect of slowing her aging

So that she's physically 21

The age can easily be retconned if they want to

[fossil wren]

https://x.com/i/status/2021380583490802151

[dense garnet]

I think it'd be funny if her age was displayed as 21(?)

[peak escarp]

if they wanted to they would have done it already

[shrewd pivot]

Or just retcon it so that child Kiriko "poofed" into the future when playing with the kitsune ai through torii gates (maybe line it up with Tracer's time travel accident) to explain 1: how Kiriko can be so young. And 2: why Kiriko’s mom is so clingy about Kiriko living on her own.

[shrewd pivot]

Fair point.

[dense garnet]

I think that in general, Kiriko is one of those characters that still feels like an open canvas of lore

They can do pretty much whatever they want with her lore atp

It's one of those things we'll have to see when season 3 rolls around, but I think her age can easily be retconned

There's a lot of characters in fiction that are old but use skme kind of magic or tech to appear young

Like Tsunade in Naruto

[peak escarp]

there aren't any in Overwatch

[dense garnet]

I said the Kitsune Rush could have that side effect kf slowing Kiri's aging

Theoretically if they wanted an excuse

Pretty sure Mercy also looks much younger because of her own healing tech

[peak escarp]

and I'm saying you can't use fiction as a whole to justify things existing in Overwatch

Mercy is only 39

she looks 39

[dense nebula]

Or Mei who got cryogenically frozen for 9 years

[dense garnet]

I feel like it'd be pretty easy to justify tech that would have de-aging properties in a futuristic high-tech society like Overwatch, especially with how little Anima has been talked about

[shrewd pivot]

Ngl I do wish Domina got to be older/look older with greying hair instead of dyed hair. A tf2 administrator vibes would have been immaculate for Domina

[peak escarp]

yeah I would have liked her older

[dense nebula]

I mean she’s only in her 40’s no?

I have no idea how old she is

[dense garnet]

"RED SPY IN THE BASE. I REPEAT, RED SPY IS IN THE BASE"

[peak escarp]

Domina is 32

[dense nebula]

Okay then yeah she looks her age

But I get what y’all mean

[peak escarp]

same age as Sombra

[dense nebula]

Damn Sombra what’s your secret

[shrewd pivot]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/domina/

32! You can also read other hero ages and bio info :)

[dense garnet]

Genetics

[dense nebula]

We do need some older heroes

We got how many right now?

[dense garnet]

Hispanic people age slower in my experience. My mom looks 32 and she's 48

[dense nebula]

Sigma, Rein, Reaper, Soldier, Ana…

[peak escarp]

what do you count as older?

[dense nebula]

Torb

[dense nebula]

50+

[dense garnet]

How old are the omnic heroes

[dense nebula]

Orisa is only like 1 year old in lore

[shrewd pivot]

I mean tbf Sombra is cyberpunk body modded. She can digitize herself.

[dense nebula]

Bastion’s been around since the Omnic Crisis

[dense garnet]

Yeah but Ram and Bastion were around during the Crisis

[peak escarp]

Moira, Roadhog, Doomfist, Ana, Soldier, Sojourn, Torbjorn, Reaper, Reinhardt, Sigma are all 50+

[dense garnet]

And Zenyatta

I think Zen is in his 30's though

[peak escarp]

Ramattra is 26, built during the crisis

[dense nebula]

Reaper and Soldier are around the same age right?

[peak escarp]

Zen and Bastion are older than the crisis

[dense nebula]

An elder for omnics it feels like

I’m annoyed ole Noir seems to be one of the last heroes we’ll get in the next set

[dense garnet]

I hope Noir is like

The first Omnic or smth stupid lmao

[dense nebula]

A support

[shrewd pivot]

Depends on build date for birthday.

But all awakened omnics awoke around 26+ years ago with pretty much an adult brain with amnesia. Awakened omnics did not have an infancy or childhood. So ig all awakened omnics that have lived those 26 years are easily comparable to like a human mentally 30s+

[peak escarp]

the first sapient omnic was Aurora

[dense garnet]

I envision Noir to be a Nick Valentine-like character where he's super experienced and old

[dense nebula]

I want him to be voiced by the guy who voiced Dynamo in Deadlock

Or Jeffrey Combs

[shrewd pivot]

Please have a campy robot metal mustache.... I want a robot dandy so badly in overwatch lol

[dense garnet]

I wonder how he'll fight. Maybe his cane is a gun

[dense nebula]

I like how we’ve all just started calling him Noir lmao

[dense nebula]

Bro is a student of Slayer

[dense garnet]

What if Noir's primary fire is Vendetta's alt fire?

[shrewd pivot]

Hey better than Ramattra's nickname of "Null Sector Hector" before the fandom knew who he was lmafo

[dense nebula]

I’m still hoping he’s got a revolver but Cassidy already has one and idk how to differentiate it

[peak escarp]

well the silhouette just gives gumshoe PI vibes so...

[dense nebula]

The next Hashimoto hero seems to have a Deagle

[dense garnet]

Richochet bullets

[dense nebula]

Speaking of we got new images of Spiderman Noir

Bit off topic but hey it’s neat

[peak escarp]

we could call him Columbo

[dense nebula]

Casablanca

We don’t have any New Yorkers yet do we?

[fossil wren]

So I was wondering, did you guys joined Talon or Overwatch?

[dense garnet]

One of the devs that Frogger interviewed said that the season 3 hero (the Hashimoto hero) is his favorite, kit-wise

[dense nebula]

Talon, being evil is fun and forcing them to make the villains win is always fun

[shrewd pivot]

Ramattra: I am standing right here.

[dense nebula]

[dense nebula]

He was built in a New York Omnium?

I forget what those things are called

[dense garnet]

I want an African hero

[fossil wren]

He had his awakening in the middle of a battle in New York

[dense garnet]

Ooh give us a Madagascar hero

[dense nebula]

Orisa, Doomfist

[fossil wren]

Pharah, Ana

[shrewd pivot]

Not NYC Omnium, but the one closest, Ramattra awoke in New York, yes.

There's a joke in there that Ramattra awoke in NYC and the immediately booked it across the ocean to Nepal-- understandable Ram. HDHDVCV /j (I used to live in NYC so im just joking ofc)

[dense nebula]

Yeah

[dense garnet]

I wonder what Madagascar's doing in ow

[peak escarp]

Ramattra was in New York when he was Awakened

[dense nebula]

But does that really count?

[dense garnet]

I think it'd be funny if Madagascar was a super high-tech society contrast to the vast jungle it is irl

[peak escarp]

not really

but it's funny

[dense nebula]

I want a Moroccan hero or Mongolian hero

Morocco has always been an interesting place to me, wanna visit it someday

[peak escarp]

if people count Echo as Singaporean then Ramattra can be a New Yorker

[dense garnet]

People count Jetpack Cat as European

[dense nebula]

I mean with her isn’t her entire personality based on someone who was Singaporean?

[dense garnet]

Technically it's based on everyone ingame

[fossil wren]

Now I understand his suffering, I would suffer too if I were from New York

[shrewd pivot]

I think it's like, it counts for the omnic communities. An omnic that awoke in London would have a very different culture than an omnic that awoke near Numbani, yknow? But Ramattra didn't stay long in NYC, so I was just joking around haha

[peak escarp]

but she was made in Norway and has probably never been to Singapore

[dense garnet]

I was suffocating from the amount of weed in the air when I went to New York

I don't blame him

[shrewd pivot]

Echo has a Singaporean woman as a base, so I think it counts as Echo being Singaporean. Sort of like... cultural echo of Mina, not a Norwegian culture.

[dense garnet]

Genji's ow2 design is such a wasted design because he's not around enough to use it

[dense nebula]

Through tradition shouldn’t Vendetta be the new owner of the Doomfist?

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I wonder what she's going to do with the doomfist

[dense garnet]

She's probably keeping it as a trophy

[bold fern]

display

[dense nebula]

Tradition is tradition, the fist is hers to wield smh

displaying like a trophy what a waste

[dense garnet]

Big sword > big fist clearly

[dense nebula]

Why not both

Parry with big fist to work with big sword

[shrewd pivot]

Vendetta thinks Akande spit on Vendetta's legacy, so Vendetta will spit on Akande's Doomfist legacy by not weilding it and keeping it as a 'legacy died' trophy ig?

[dense garnet]

I hope we get cinematics and comics that properly display the power levels of the series

I wanna see a skyscraper get cut in half by Vendetta's sword

Imagine her ult doing that

[dense nebula]

Then again since we know Doomfist is gonna come back (no body shown) the legacy hasn’t been passed on yet

[shrewd pivot]

I wanna know wth the weight of that hardlight sword is. It looks heavy in her hand some times but then moves like it's light weight in other times???

[dense garnet]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was weightless

[dense nebula]

I mean it’s hardlight

[dense garnet]

And just the handle itself is heavy

[dense nebula]

It’s light

[dense garnet]

I'm still a bit miffed that the cat is just called Jetpack Cat when it has a canon name

[wise grotto]

It’s also literally been confirmed he’s not dead

And still alive

[dense nebula]

Tomato potato

[shrewd pivot]

Hm maybe. The animations and emotes can't decide if the handle is light weight or heavy tho imo. The sword is heavy enough to scrape the ground, but then it's light weight in others. It's a bit confusing to me

[dense garnet]

HOLY SHIT

SOMEONE ASKED LUCIO WHAT HIS FAVORITE ANIMAL IS

[dense nebula]

Frog

Obv

[dense garnet]

I still love that Kiriko asked

[dense nebula]

Did he say frog?

[dense garnet]

Tree frog

[dense nebula]

Yep

[dense garnet]

And he sounded happy to say it

[shrewd pivot]

What kind of tree frog?

[dense garnet]

Because no one ever asked him

Just tree frogs

[shrewd pivot]

Red eyed tree frog? Oh

[dense nebula]

I prefer red eyed tree frogs

[dense garnet]

https://x.com/i/status/2021394882322206738

[dense nebula]

no embed perms

Point and laugh

[shrewd pivot]

Aw cute

My headcanon that Lucio’s favorite animal was a red eyed tree frog but "tree frogs" are so vast haha aw well

[dense garnet]

I still need to find Emre's, Anran's, and Mizuki's favorite animals

I assume Cat doesn't have one lmao

[shrewd pivot]

Mizuki might have a luck based animal maybe

Emre is probably wolf if they go the Turkish culture route like how Vendetta is Italian culture route with wolf

Anran might be unexpected bc I would have never guessed Wuyang liked Chinese stick insects lol they are gnarly critters

[dense nebula]

Mizuki is based on a Kappa if that means anything

[shrewd pivot]

Turtles... TMNT /j

[dense garnet]

It's so funny seeing people online get mad over activism when Overwatch in-lore is an activism group

[dense nebula]

Aren’t they also technically an illegally active group atm?

[dense garnet]

Not right now

They were on the verge of being shut down again

But Vendetta attacked Gibraltar so that might be postponed

But yeah Overwatch in the present day is an activist group

And even if you don't consider them one, they have many activist members like Lucio and Tracer

[peak escarp]

they're temporarily legalized by the IJC

[bold fern]

why does sym and domina gun look echo themed

[dense garnet]

Hard light technology

Echo is also hardlight

[shrewd pivot]

Hm looking into Kappa lore, it seems the common trope is a Kappa having its arm cut off, then begging for it back and doing labor in return or providing medicine to the attacker. This could explain Mizuki's robotic arm, support role, and being in debt to the Hashimoto. Also Kappa are the "water boogeymen" stories aka stories to tell children to avoid water/mythos used to explain drowning which might explain Mizuki chaining down heroes with his skill shot.

Kappa love sumo wrestling tho so lol maybe Mizuki likes a wrestling sport?

"Kappa are obsessed with politeness, so if a person makes a deep bow, it will return the gesture. This results in the kappa spilling the water held in the "dish" (sara) on its head, rendering it unable to leave the bowing position until the plate is refilled with water from the river in which it lives. If a person refills it, the kappa will serve that person for all eternity. A similar weakness of the kappa involves its arms, which can easily be pulled from its body. If an arm is detached, the kappa will perform favors or share knowledge in exchange for its return."

[bold fern]

does this include the weapon skins

and are they canon

[peak escarp]

they aren't canon

[dense nebula]

If you give them a cucumber they become extremely loyal to you too

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah cucumbers are said to be a Kappa's favorite food, the other is a fictional organ said to house the soul. Kappa steal that fictional organ from human's rear ends lmafo. If there was ever an overwatch hero to do the Kanchō move as a melee attack animation it would be Mizuki lmafo

[dense garnet]

I liked to imagine Kiriko treats Mizuki like she's his mom

[dense nebula]

Also does the front page kinda spoil Mizuki will officially join Overwatch?

Like we know he’s having a double agent moment

But it looks like he’s gonna join Overwatch fully

[shrewd pivot]

Kinda yeah. Mizuki will definitely leave the Hashimoto

[dense garnet]

They say in the spotlight that he's caught between loyalties

So it's not exactly a secret

[dry pebble]

Isn't he has a Kings row voice line criticises the Overwatch

[shrewd pivot]

Idk if this counts as lore, but there was a survey for collabs for overwatch, and one of which was Disney villains. Domina as Cruela De Vil works so well considering her chinchilla voice line lol

Also, it really can't be understated how cruel fur farm trade would be in Overwatch's future. Overwatch's future def has bio printers and synthetic furs, Domina chosing exotic animal furs for luxury in Overwatch's future is like extra extra evil lmafo. Domina feels more like a charismatic "villain you love to hate" writing wise more than Vendetta atp, I cannot wait to see more of Domina in lore.

[wise grotto]

His arm is also where his chain ability comes from and the chains on his body
He’s chained to this task and duty

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah! And Mizuki is a younger hero, Kappa in Japanese stems from "river child"

https://youtu.be/qgWYQGPzi0E?si=Bh8qixiwCqoK61qn

Emre's shoe line is still so funny to me. Like I think the shoe culture in Turkey is kinda similar to Greece in that shoes are a staple fashion piece, often very expensive, so Emre insulting a woman's shoes is like pretty damn rude lmafo, calling her unrefined and tacky lmafo. Like obviously this is still the case in USA culture, but it carries a bit more weight as an insult bc of Emre's cultural background.

[wise grotto]

Hi think emre is trying to insult her

[civic lynx]

https://fixupx.com/cleartogether/status/2021340897825509868?s=46

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Interesting

[shrewd pivot]

Oh he definitely is lol

I just mean that it hits harder as an insult from a culture where shoes are a bigger fashion aspect.

[shrewd pivot]

THE PLOT THICKENS.... I wonder what Symmetra will decide to do after she uncovers the Founder's death truth...

[civic lynx]

There’s also an interaction between domina and lw where she says she would get rid of his bounty if he hands over the biolight tech, he refuses, then she says just bc he made the game doesn’t mean she won’t play it as well

[shrewd pivot]

1:00 in this video for anyone curious :) https://youtu.be/qgWYQGPzi0E?si=Bh8qixiwCqoK61qn

[civic lynx]

There’s this line between sym and lw about vishkar’s founder

Which I don’t think has ever been mentioned before (at least not in game)

[shrewd pivot]

Not in game atleast!

Heroes ascendant iirc touched upon this in Symmetra and Lifeweaver's story

I am sooooo hype for the reveal that Symmetra will find.

My guess is that maybe Vaira's family was involved with the death/cover up somehow as to profit.

[civic lynx]

I hope they do a Vishkar themed season later this year

So we can have more focus on it rather than dropping it in the middle of another plot line

[gray thicket]

does sigma even matter in the lore?

[shrewd pivot]

Ohhh that would be fun skin ideas. I def think Domina's story arc will involve the repercussions of Symmetra uncovering the truth about the founder.

[shrewd pivot]

Imo he does. Sigma is currently imprisoned by Vendetta as a potential weapon, which is keeping Sombra monitoring Sigma's situation even though Sombra left Talon.

[gray thicket]

the sigma situation is wild

[civic lynx]

He will very soon

[gray thicket]

isn’t sigma like 67 years old?

[edgy meadow]

I love that they twisted lucio's fav animal line into something that gives character

[civic lynx]

They gave him new lines for eliminating heroes and he is very aggressive towards vendetta

[gray thicket]

sigma was an ipad kid growing up

[shrewd pivot]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/sigma/ 64!

[shrewd pivot]

He knows of skibidi...

[civic lynx]

Soldier would as well wouldn’t he

And he would’ve actually grown up with six seven

[gray thicket]

sigma in his time cracked all the skibidi toilet lore and taught college classes on the history of skibidi toilet

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah which is why it's odd they made Soldier76 the "old guy who doesn't get it" but memes anyways, when Soldier76 was a Zoomer himself lol

[gray thicket]

soldier: “you young people don’t even remember springtrap…”

[civic lynx]

What do you youngsters know about Fortnite

[gray thicket]

overwatch in fortnite soon

[civic lynx]

I saw dva and tracer are confirmed we may be free from the shackles of cash cows

I wonder how they’ll use tracer’s time manipulation capabilities for Fortnite lore

[gray thicket]

wdym?

i just hope they add raper

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah so if Ow1 took place in like 2077(a guesstimation, not canon per se), and ow2 is 2079, then Soldier76 was born in 2021. 67 memes at about 5 years old lmafo

I actually headcanon Reinhardt as the Coca-Cola "yippie" kid so lmafo

The older characters def are way more "with it" than overwatch likes to portray

[gray thicket]

soldier is reddit worthy

[civic lynx]

I was expecting the collab to be Juno, kiri, mercy etc

The heroes they love to shower with cosmetics and use in promotion constantly

[shrewd pivot]

Tbf Tracer and DVA are the poster children of overwatch 1, so it would make sense to use those two for in a fortnite collab.

[civic lynx]

We know hanzo is there as well so if it’s all ow1 heroes that’ll be cool

[gray thicket]

tracer, diva, raper, and soldier?

[shrewd pivot]

Really? I thought the Hanzo thing was a Lego piece being misunderstood

[gray thicket]

idk if they’d add soldier with the whole political and economical state of the world rn

[civic lynx]

I think the hair was correct to be only used for the hanzo mini figure irl

So it would have to be for him

[gray thicket]

yeah but they used it on a different skin

[civic lynx]

If they do OW1 heroes (or characters that will be vital to new ow lore in the coming months) ig it could be dva, tracer, hanzo, genji and then another idk who (vendetta?)

[shrewd pivot]

It's hard to say bc I am pretty sure Overwatch lost the Lego collab rights after the state of California sued over misconduct (rightfully so of Lego to distance away).

[gray thicket]

zenny most likely

if genji comes zenny is a given

[civic lynx]

Zen standing upright is terrifying to look at

We gonna have zen in Nike kicks 😭🙏🏽

[shrewd pivot]

I feel like baby Winston could be a "pet" or whatever in fortnite since baby Winston was a pet in WoW

[civic lynx]

Definitely possible

I think jetpack cat (without the jetpack) or brig’s big fluffy white cat will be a pet as well

[shrewd pivot]

That would be so peak I don't even play fortnite but that would be so peak....

[gray thicket]

winton

[fossil wren]

It was used in a harry potter skin

[gray thicket]

jetpack could be a glider but i think the spaceship you spawn in is more iconic

[civic lynx]

The spaceship would be peak

Or even the ship on Gibraltar

[shrewd pivot]

I feel like Widowmaker would be an obvious collab choice but idk Tracer and Kiriko seem like more optumistic future heroes to use