lore-discussion

[past copper]

Orisa didn't have her javelin at the time

[edgy tree]

at that time she had fortify and that weird gravity orb that could pull him in

[jade linden]

Idk, it just doesn't look right to have a 40 year old martial arts fighter with the most powerful melee weapon that a person can wield to lose to some italian lady who's dad died 🤷‍♂️

[edgy tree]

I feel like he just gave her the win

[brittle sky]

I mean blackwatch is heavily implied to have effectively slaughtered the shimada while disorganizing their crime empire. And overwatch proper engaged in some amount of assassinations, case in point the two for one sniper shot jack remembers fondly and ana absolutely doesn't.

[jade linden]

Ik, she's rediculous

[jade linden]

Lol, to make her feel better

[edgy tree]

And to be able to work on his plans in complete secrecy

He did nothing with the null sector power core he asked for

[past copper]

What can I tell you? Blizzard pulled a Reva killing the Grand Inquisitor with Vendetta and Doomfist

[jade linden]

I mean, thats not even him at this point, that's the writers being lazy

Cause they have a good character, but they don't know what to to with em

[edgy tree]

He is a strategist

[jade linden]

Exactly

He's smart enough to know what to do

[past copper]

Not like it wasn't the first time. What was that box from the Train Hopper comic

[edgy tree]

He wanted to leave Talon with a self centered Leader that would end up failing her invasion on the world while working on what he wants

[jade linden]

They just don't expand on him and his abilities

[jade linden]

Lowk, I agree, but he lost the fist

He should lowk team up with OW or JQ

[edgy tree]

He'll make an upgrade using that power core stolen from null sector

[jade linden]

Yeah

[edgy tree]

that fist was a generational weapon which would make some sense for why it was cut with seemingly no issue

[wise grotto]

Imma be honest the biggest issue with how this chapter started is the new team for lore was hired and essentially had less@then 4 months to setup vendetta as the leader of talon to kickoff the new stuff

[jade linden]

Thats why Pre-2019 OW lore was the bestest...

[wise grotto]

Microsoft fired the old team that could have done stuff

Or laid off

[edgy tree]

They still did REALLY well ain't gonna lie

[jade linden]

Not really imo

[edgy tree]

all they needed to do was just give us some more lore on Vendetta

[jade linden]

Shes been a character for less than 3 months

[wise grotto]

For literally having 4 months and that was it they did honestly

[wise grotto]

And these guys have had to prepare for a year of lore drops in only 4

[jade linden]

And she was never mentioned in Retribution

[edgy tree]

that's just how it'll be in a game with constant new characters

[wise grotto]

This team didn’t exist during retribution and can’t exactly do fuck all for that one

[jade linden]

But if thats how it is, atleast hint at that possibility in older lore than to just create one out of thin air

[wise grotto]

It’s like tossing a crew onto a set of ships and half of them are sinking and needing to make all of them perfect immediately
It’s not gonna be pretty yet

[edgy tree]

It's hard to prepare for TEN YEARS of the games existence

[wise grotto]

the lore team we have rn was pretty much created out of thin air themselves let’s be honest

[jade linden]

Like for example, Doomfist made sense, especially cause it was already established that he was Talon's leader

[brittle sky]

That lore was like four generations of t4 writers ago

[wise grotto]

And the people making these decisions are like 2 writing teams past that long ago

[jade linden]

Brotha what

[edgy tree]

oh wait u said retribution

nvm mb

[jade linden]

Nah you good

[jade linden]

You were this close to gettin meteor striked tho

[edgy tree]

it's a bit less than ten years

[wise grotto]

Two full teams of writers minumum have been swapped since retribution came out

[edgy tree]

I feel like they just made Vendetta to be the new Villain as Doomfist exactly coudn't fit the lore

[wise grotto]

Including a full team being laid off and a new one hired to make a new character designed into the new leader of talon

[edgy tree]

and the old team never thought about having a secondary Talon leader

[jade linden]

Cause they kept changing the lore to fit her in

[edgy tree]

I mean how she's just attempting to kill everyone in Overwatch like that

it's not Doomfists thing

[wise grotto]

What lores been changed to put her in other then giving a dude we knew little about a child

Which like we don’t know where any of the story was going back then csuse we don’t have any of those writers

[edgy tree]

They wanted a pure evil character and just.... didn't have one already there

[wise grotto]

Microsoft especially fucked ow ability to keep some of its planned paths

[wooden drift]

I think him having daughter that we just never saw kinda makes sense?

[wise grotto]

The merger the team tk get hit the worst was the lore team being literally gutted

[edgy tree]

esp with how she was cast out like that

Without any of her money and was a "nobody" in the colloseo

[jade linden]

Sure, but atleast hint it

Similar to Doomfist back in the OG trailer

They hinted at a char having a fist

[dense garnet]

They didn't change any lore, they just added onto already existing lore

[spark mica]

Phew we're saved a kinda nerd is here

[wooden drift]

Why would they hint it in retribution? The point of that was just to show one of the first things that made overwatch go to shit

[edgy tree]

honestly they could've done some more stuff after putting her Sword in the stadium map

[dense garnet]

I still think Ven isn't executed all that well but yknow

[jade linden]

Uh, wha?

Explain mate

[edgy tree]

She led a full on assault on Giblartar

[jade linden]

Oh, ye

[edgy tree]

blew it all up and talkied about why didn't Talon just kill overwatch when they had the chace

[wooden drift]

Maybe have announcer on the background mentioning Vendetta on that one stadium map

[jade linden]

Exactly, ty bro

[jade linden]

Exactly

[edgy tree]

yeah she wasn't

[dense garnet]

I think that Vendetta can be redeemed tho

With this story arc

[jade linden]

Even in a cinematic, we should have been told this

[dense garnet]

That comic was a good start

[jade linden]

Especially since she became such a major character

[spark mica]

Well she was needed for the sake of plot too

[jade linden]

She was quite literally nothing and became something

[dense garnet]

I just think she should've been introduced like a year ago

[edgy tree]

"Look at this Competitor! Maybe they'll be a match for our champion"

[jade linden]

Yeah, cause they didn't knkw what do you anymore 😭

Thats why they added a bloody cat 😭

[dense garnet]

She came in, they said she's been preparing for this day for the past 10 years, and they think we're supposed to feel something for that

[wooden drift]

Jatpack cat was asked frequently tbh

[jade linden]

Since when???

[dense garnet]

Hey hop off my goat Jetpack Cat

[edgy tree]

actually Jetpack cat was asked to be added to the game for a LOOOONG time

[jade linden]

Ik that, 10 years ago i think

[dense garnet]

There's a 9 year old Stylosa video talking about Jetpack Cat lol

[jade linden]

Tell me, why was it never added?

[wooden drift]

Even before the game was released there were concepts for a jetpack cat

[jade linden]

Cause it was considered "too stupid"

[dense garnet]

They didn't feel like it idk

[edgy tree]

People were constantly asking em about it and it's like..... why th not right? People will like the cat

[jade linden]

That was a rhetorical question...

[edgy tree]

actually it was because of animal cruelty problems

[jade linden]

My b lol

[wooden drift]

Well Jeff didn't wanted any animal characters cuz they were goofy

[dense garnet]

Yeaaaah Jeff wasn't exactly the best director

[jade linden]

Then wth is winton and the bloody hamster doin in the game???

😭 🙏

[edgy tree]

I was saying the exact same thing

[wise grotto]

Jeff also over promised on stuff he couldn’t guarantee and then dipped so he wouldn’t take blame

[spark mica]

Well what about Ball and winston, ball literally EXPLODES

[dense garnet]

Jetpack Cat is arguably non-sapient like Winton and Ball

[wooden drift]

There were infighting about hamster..

[wise grotto]

No one said jeff was smart at all

[jade linden]

EXACTLY

[edgy tree]

it was a dumb answer equal to a nuh-uh from them basically

[jade linden]

It's even as smart as Winston and Hammond bruh

[wooden drift]

We don't have her full lore yet to judge

[dense garnet]

I still think Jetpack Cat is gonna have some crazy aaa lore

[jade linden]

HOW CAN IT EVEN OPERATE A JETPACK???

[spark mica]

It might be automated

[jade linden]

WHAT??

[spark mica]

maybe hard-light???

[dense garnet]

It's one of Moira's escaped subjects

[jade linden]

Im dyin bruh 😭

[spark mica]

who knows yet, gotta wait 2 days to figute out

[edgy tree]

I was hoping it'll have a design similar to stuff Torb makes

[wooden drift]

Poor cat

[edgy tree]

with one of brigs cats as the rider

[spark mica]

I just have a theory she was just a dilevery cat (thanks to her grab ability)

[jade linden]

Bruh it was Vendetta's cat bruh, thats why she's invading Gibral

[edgy tree]

but it doesn't really look like it

[wooden drift]

Could be future skin maybe

They do kinda make basic designs for heroes to have then good skins

[edgy tree]

Thank god they didn't steal Doomfists cat

[dense garnet]

Can't wait for the inevitable Keyboard Cat highlight intro (this is sarcasm I'm dreading it)

[jade linden]

Yeah, bur Jeff was in comics and doesn't operate a jetpack????

[jade linden]

Yeah, my cat...

[wooden drift]

Overwatch loves doing memes

[edgy tree]

it WILL happen

[wise grotto]

Wrong jeff

[dense garnet]

Jeff operated the Infinity Stones

[edgy tree]

Sombra got a random old meme as a highlight intro

[wise grotto]

Jeff kaplan not jeff the land shark

[edgy tree]

the cat will too

[jade linden]

Sure but like

C'mon

[jade linden]

Yeah, great writing and gameplay on the devs part

[dense garnet]

If we get Nyan Cat ult line for April Fool's I won't be mad

[spark mica]

ould JC even be able to speak?

[edgy tree]

sadly new devs don't wanna keep the cosmetics Lore related anymore

[wooden drift]

I want that highlight intro from that meme where cat does side eye

[jade linden]

Bruh the cat looks like a bloody fly when it's flying bruh

[jade linden]

Yeah...

[edgy tree]

You seen the hello kitty collab?

[dense garnet]

It has 225 hp so at least it's squishy af

[jade linden]

Terrible

I hate it

[dense garnet]

Hello Kitty skin not given to Jetpack Cat, sad

[wooden drift]

Not for you then?

[jade linden]

But hello kitty is cool

[edgy tree]

Sombra should've gotten the emo cat skin ngl

[wooden drift]

Jetpack nyan cat

[edgy tree]

Widow just... doesn't fit it at all

[dense garnet]

Wait Jetpack Cat is gonna have a dance emote right

How the hell is she gonna dance

[edgy tree]

They wanted their marketable character to have it

[wooden drift]

Shaking her head maybe

[jade linden]

On the jetpack ofc

[spark mica]

Hoping around on the jet pack ofc

[edgy tree]

it was shown that she doesn't actually need to operate the Jetpack for it to fly

[jade linden]

Nuh uh

[jade linden]

Sure, but I don't

[edgy tree]

can't please everyone

[jade linden]

Make it Brigs intro, not a bloody character

[jade linden]

Yeah, even the Doomfist

😎 👎

[edgy tree]

ESPECIALLY Doomfist

[dense garnet]

If Ball joins Talon, we're getting Ball Vs. Cat

[jade linden]

Bruh wth is your pfp twin

[edgy tree]

Bro lost all of his aura after that cinematic

[jade linden]

Get ts out rn

[dense garnet]

Medusa stare

[spark mica]

... I think i see something diffrent then usual

[wooden drift]

Ball isn't evil, he will never do it

[edgy tree]

THAT CAT IS A SPY

[jade linden]

Bruh ts look scary bruh, heck nah

[edgy tree]

oh yeah wait

[wooden drift]

It's cat's character picture from hero's menu

So fire

[edgy tree]

Cats ult will be a free kill on Doom if it lands xd

[jade linden]

Yeah, I saw

[edgy tree]

even more of a reason for u to hate her

[jade linden]

Dude, all of the new heros are anti dive

[wooden drift]

He can ult tho

[jade linden]

And doom died on Black History Month

[edgy tree]

her ult stops all of ur movement based abilities from working

[jade linden]

😭

[jade linden]

Yep

[edgy tree]

ur just left with ur gun as she drags u into the pit

[dense garnet]

Cats ult is gonna be situational because some maps it's just gonna be useless

[jade linden]

You saw Zbra playing against it?

It lowk looks bad

They needa nerf em

[edgy tree]

Not D.va bomb though 😎

[wooden drift]

Like king's row

[jade linden]

Way too much dmg, especially Domina

[dense garnet]

Like King's Row for example, Cat doesn't have an ult until the final point

[edgy tree]

Infinite mid-air mobility with an instant speed boost

[jade linden]

Yep

[edgy tree]

preety hard to hit

[jade linden]

But she won't be nerfed

She lowk needs 175 health

[edgy tree]

u can still pick someone up and hold them over your team

[jade linden]

Like tracer

[edgy tree]

They just stuck there for 5 whole seconds

[spark mica]

Like you can airbomb someone with a D.va

[dense garnet]

Yeah but that doesn't feel terribly strong especially when the other team can focus on the cat

Widow players will obliterate Cat

[jade linden]

Yeah bruh, ts gonna be like Hiroshima

[edgy tree]

u can speed boost during ur ult though

[jade linden]

Wait, does the cat have a headshot box?

[edgy tree]

and there's an overhealth perk for hitting ur ult I'm preety sure

[spark mica]

I swear SOMEONE is gonna make a vidoe of that happening to Genji and hanzo

[jade linden]

LOL

[edgy tree]

why woudn't it?

I hope it will be BIG though

[jade linden]

Where even is it?

[edgy tree]

the hero is small af and has 225 health

[spark mica]

The entire cat

[jade linden]

Is it the cat itself?

[dense garnet]

Cat transporting an ulting Torb. Napalm strike

[edgy tree]

Ain't sure

propably not the jecpack

[spark mica]

Wait can cat move stationary ults?

[wooden drift]

I think it would be her head

[edgy tree]

They changed it (thankfully) so she can't grab bob

[jade linden]

Yep, we're cooked

[spark mica]

If so Pharah can bomb whoever she likes

[edgy tree]

D.va bomb is fair game still I'm preety sure

[jade linden]

Precision players are gonna have a hard time with this one

[edgy tree]

and if not u can just ult after being grabbed

[edgy tree]

it must be her body

like Ball

she's shorter than Torb

[wooden drift]

When do we even discuss game balance with the cat in lore discussion

[dense garnet]

I feel like we're gonna get OW and Talon uniform skins in each season. This season, we're getting Tracer and Genji uniforms

[wooden drift]

Probably not

They want skins to be different each season

[dense garnet]

I want Cass in that blue uniform

[edgy tree]

I uh just looked it up

It's her head

we done for

[wooden drift]

Obviously

[edgy tree]

It's not obvious for such an already small hero

[wooden drift]

Maybe they'll tweak it in the future

[edgy tree]

Like torb is small but his crit hitbox is gigantic

they balance it out like that

[wooden drift]

Meh

[edgy tree]

The cat will definitly have a rough time being liked at first how how anti newbie it feels

Fast small flying hero that's hard to crit

[edgy tree]

Tbh this part of the server is the most... serious

Even the serious chat is preety damn silly

[jade linden]

Everyone needs to insta loxk her bro

[edgy tree]

Sombra might actually fall to the 2nd most banned hero spot XD

[wooden drift]

Still think banning sombra is a bit silly

[frigid talon]

Yo who’s more crack able Hammond or jetpack cat

[wooden drift]

These are animals...

They're not even anthropomorphic

[edgy tree]

I wonder if people will keep banning her after yet another nerf they gave her

[wooden drift]

She could be on a wheelchair and idiots would still ban her

God forbid people to have some awareness around them

[edgy tree]

They wanna brawl 24/7

Pharmacy is Satan for them because they have to shoot up

the supports just heal people without being shot at

it's just a diffrent world there

[wooden drift]

So lame

I enjoy looking up for sombra when she's good

[edgy tree]

But yeah Sombra now has to shoot someone to get the ability to see 50% health people again in exchange for.... seeing if someone has ult which u already could do by hacking

[polar osprey]

Aren't you dead?

[wooden drift]

Her hack could do that???

[wooden drift]

Nuh, he walked it off

[edgy tree]

I'm preety sure it does

a white checkmark icon appears above their head, indicating their ultimate status for about 8 seconds

[wooden drift]

Had no idea

Kinda useless thing to be honest

[edgy tree]

I'm preety sure her new passive is just that but forever

I love how the most despised trashtalked hero got an ability that forces comms use

like that's gonna go well when ur average teammate will start crying about ur low damage

I swear sometimes Sombra hate just feels so forced? I've seen people saying all Sombra players are Toxic trollers that have fun by runing other peoples day(their day) instead of wanting to win the game

[wooden drift]

Yeah, its definitely forced

[civic lynx]

A lot of people just bitch and moan about sombra bc she punishes them for playing by themselves and not actually being near their team

If you’re in spitting distance of any other person on your team she gets packed up instantly

[edgy tree]

I feel bad for Questron having to deal with this in and out of game constantly

[wooden drift]

Who?

[edgy tree]

One of the few Sombra main youtubers that didn't quit

[wooden drift]

Ohhh

[civic lynx]

The only characters Sombra can kill instantly are widow and Juno, the rest can quite easily stop her with the help of 1 other person or do it on their own if they’re aware of their surroundings

[peak escarp]

this doesn't sound like lore

[wooden drift]

Even Juno can get her if she's with the team

[edgy tree]

I love when people Ban sombra and then cry about Widows being server admins

[wooden drift]

Yep it doesn't

[peak escarp]

keep it on topic please

[wooden drift]

Okay

[edgy tree]

Yes cassidy from the hit game Overwatch 2- I mean Overwatch

[wooden drift]

I'm blaming jetpack cat for that

[civic lynx]

Do not blame the goat for anything

[wooden drift]

Nuh it started with talking about the cat and then about her balance

Not really lore related

So its on cat

[edgy tree]

oh yeah that's true

[wooden drift]

Still weird that people think that jetpack cat doesn't make sense

Like they already know everything about her

[peak escarp]

the existence of an exceptionally intelligent cat doesn't mean that all animals are exceptionally intelligent and you should feel bad for eating them

that's like saying I must be a genius because Albert Einstein exists

[wooden drift]

Did somebody used that argument on twitter or something?

[peak escarp]

no someone used it in here the other day

[wooden drift]

Probably twitter user

[civic lynx]

Even the devs made a joke about already having goofy things like Winston in the game so it makes sense for a cat with a jetpack 😭🙏🏽

[peak escarp]

something like " if JPC is an ordinary cat and is smart enough to fly a jetpack then all animals are smart"

[civic lynx]

But ofc miserable folk still have a problem before they’ve even seen any backstory for them

[wooden drift]

How people look at her and think that its just normal stray cat

[peak escarp]

because that's what the devs told us?

[dense nebula]

I still find it how hilarious how innocent and childish/optimistic OW1 Orisa is, then OW2 one is just:
“My javelin knows where you are by knowing where you’re not”

What one encounter with Doomfist does to someone

[wooden drift]

They just gave short run down there

[peak escarp]

according to the devs JPC is just a suspiciously smart stray cat who showed up at Gibraltar one day

[wooden drift]

Girl grow up

[dense nebula]

So we’re all in agreement that she’s secretly another experiment like Hammond and Winston right?

[wooden drift]

Obviously

[peak escarp]

they also confirmed she isn't genetically enhanced or a science experiment

[dense nebula]

Welp nvm

[wooden drift]

Did they?

[civic lynx]

😭

[peak escarp]

from the Polygon article

"We already have two animal characters in the game," he explained. "Winston's basically a human, he was very intelligent as an ape. And then Hammond, he's actually very intelligent. He just speaks through his robot. So we also wanted a cat not to be that. It's not another animal that had some scientific experiment that made [her] smart. [...] People who own cats, you realize [that] we feed them, we change their little box, we allow them to sit in our laps. They're smarter than they appear. We wanted to inject that. How do we make this cat that looks suspiciously smart, basically?"

they didn't want her to be another Winston/Hammond situation

[wooden drift]

Maybe they meant that she came from elsewhere

I dunno

[peak escarp]

but there is more to her story that we'll find out later

[dense nebula]

I still wanna more about Zen

[wooden drift]

Its kinda disappointing if it's just normal cat

[dense nebula]

He’s still a massive enigma

[peak escarp]

agreed

[wooden drift]

Nothing untill they continue null sector plot

[peak escarp]

I want to see him meet Ramattra

[wooden drift]

Again

[dense nebula]

Would it be a wrong term to call him a Bodhisattva?

[peak escarp]

Ramattra was the one who brought him to the Shambali

a what?

[dense nebula]

A person in Buddhism who achieved nirvana but postponed entering it to help others

[edgy tree]

Guys the virtual cat is intelligent don't eat meat

[peak escarp]

maybe... Zen is one of the higher ranking Shambali monks

[edgy tree]

He does have a lot of orbs

[dense nebula]

I personally think he’s a physical extension of the Iris and the omnic who became (became?) the Iris

[peak escarp]

but he left because he disagreed with Mondatta's isolationist ideas

[dense nebula]

Like a reincarnation

[brittle sky]

How the Shambali regard enlightenment or any equivalent notion, and how Zen perceives himself in that line, is all uncertain

[peak escarp]

before Ramattra found him, he was just a regular omnic

[brittle sky]

The issue is he coexisted with Aurora

[brittle sky]

I mean, a civilian grade omnic who was likely up to some resistance activity. Like it's stated Ram bringing Zen to shambali was him offering Zen a different outlet.

[dense nebula]

Like in someway somehow he’s more in tune with the Iris than any other Omnic we’ve seen (so far)

Besides Aurora*

[brittle sky]

Given that seems to be a thing trained for, I would expect that speaks to his work with the shambali rather than some natural inclination.

[jade linden]

Uh, nooo... Just mildly injured

Im coming back Season 6 anyway

[rare trail]

i feel like hes about as in tune as other high ranking omnics in the shambali like mondotta

[quaint glade]

WOW doomfist litteraly resurected

[dapper cipher]

So something i just realized (or stupidly forgot) but I recently discovered/remembered that the doomfist gauntlet isnt a prosthetic but an actual weapon. Which means that if you think about it, Doomfists actual arm is still in the gauntlet.

Either that or his arm was cut way before and ive forgotten and the gauntlet is actually a prosthetic

[quaint glade]

his arm is the strongest weapon in lore

[dapper cipher]

No, the gauntlet is. Im pretty sure? In OW 1 (before doomfists release) and in multiple comics/animations hes had his other arm and his gauntlet is seprate. Sorry if im being dense lol

[quaint glade]

thats what i meant

[dapper cipher]

Ok, my bad lol

[quaint glade]

ive meant the gautlet

[cosmic sigil]

is it? I feel like theres a couple I could think of that would challenge it or just pass it

[quaint glade]

gauntlet

[quaint glade]

i mean

im probably too old for this but back then the gauntlet was the strongest weapon in it

[dapper cipher]

I mean if there is one, it hasn’t been directly stated by a dev of anything

[peak escarp]

Doomfist has a prosthetic arm under the gauntlet

Vendetta didn't cut any flesh

[cosmic sigil]

I don’t think devs have ever stated what weapon is the strongest in lore, its always just been speculation

[quaint glade]

except the sigmas black holes

[dapper cipher]

Maybe, idk

[cosmic sigil]

yeah my thought for that tho was I doubt other ppl can use them

cuz say for example illaris gun right

I imagine she could charge it

and someone else could use it

but I dont think someone else could use sigmas spheres

[dapper cipher]

I have to disagree. His arm might have lots of cybernetics but im pretty sure its flesh

As recent as the Masquerade comics his arm looks pretty real

[quaint glade]

then wheres blood? and then when his arm got cut we can see only metal and steel

[peak escarp]

Well-trained and proficient in a wide spectrum of bone-shattering fighting styles, Ogundimu’s stellar professional fighting career was cut short with the loss of his right arm during the Omnic Crisis. And while his family’s technology could replace his arm, without the challenge and crucible of competition, Ogundimu felt utterly lost.

[dapper cipher]

But then again it is a futuristic game and sojourns cybernetics are prosthetics technically

[dapper cipher]

Alright, thanks. That actually helps and answers my theory/disproves it.

[peak escarp]

cybernetic arms can have lifelike skin

[dapper cipher]

Yea, honestly i forgot about the fact sojourn has the same thing

It just kinda looked real to me and just looked like added cybernetics

But yea, my bad lol

[quaint glade]

peak profile picture btw

[dapper cipher]

I thought it was because it was a Teen game and they couldnt show like a pool of blood but not only was i wrong but im pretty sure they couldve still added a bit of blood so

But tldr; i was wrong thats why

[peak escarp]

most people forget/don't know about Doomfist's prosthetic arm

imagine a world where he never lost that arm... he could be a world champion martial artist

Vendetta would actually inherit her father's spot and still be in charge of Talon 😛

[dapper cipher]

Lol. But i do have a question; when do we expect doomfist to return lorewise and would he be able to ever wield the gauntlet again?

[peak escarp]

at the latest, end of the year

I don't think they'll let him be "dead" for more than one arc

as for the gauntlet, he can just get someone to build him a new one

[dapper cipher]

Alrighty, i was just curious what you thought, thanks!

[peak escarp]

or build one himself

[quaint glade]

he'll be back as a support

[echo wind]

hey so.. is hte iris a real thing? or is it like a purely faith thing? the wiki says its an energy anomoly but i feel that the dialogue points toward it being a faith thing

[peak escarp]

since his family owns a cybernetics company, he probably knows a bit about it

[dapper cipher]

Yea, i did see a concept of like a scrap metal gauntlet

[peak escarp]

it's kinda both

[spare fox]

I do kinda wonder if they're gonna do Return of Doomfist arc next year or wait on it

I'm 50/50 bc like, gotta give him time to cook and show Vendetta being who she's being

then there's the whole Conspiracy subplot

obv there's Null Sector in the wings too

[quaint glade]

doomfist is gonna slime her

[spare fox]

and we gotta have time to see where and what Sombra, Widow, and Reaper are doing

I'm eager to see that story/stories of those 3 post-Vendetta

[quaint glade]

i think theyll support overwatch or recreate blackwatch

[spare fox]

I'm not so sure about that

it's also interesting because Reaper and Widow both rely on Moira medically so... what's going on there? what's going to happen?

but as of right now, Reaper still hates Overwatch and everything it stands/stood for

Widowmaker still needs to chase the thrill of killing

also we STILL don't have that whole story because
Amelie was married to Gerard, who was #1 for taking down Talon. That was his goal.
Reyes worked under Gerard.
Amelie was kidnapped, then returned and murdered Gerard and went back to Talon

then the Swiss HQ blew up, Reyes "died" and Reaper was born and eventually went to Talon under Viali, who took over Talon after Reyes murdered Antonio

there's still some missing pieces there

they both had to have learned something, found something out or saw something to make them just change their minds about Talon

Reyes it might have been a gradual thing, but Amelie loved Gerard - still does

[nocturne rivet]

Reaper need drugs to calm the pain

Widow need something to continue being blue n havin a low heartrate so she can still being the n1 sniper

[spare fox]

I DO wonder - meta-wise - if the 3 of those heroes ditching Talon are going to result in a rework. Sombra and Widow are top of the list for controversial characters kit-wise

same with Doomfist

[nocturne rivet]

in the spotlight i think

A dev says maybe the dire triggers perk is gonna be part of reaper basic kit

also

They say the reworks r for classic heros

I think reaper n widow is very very possible to get a rework

Doom too

Sombra in a few months

[spare fox]

and Sombra too I think Alec confirmed in the Spotlight w Aspen

[nocturne rivet]

Ye but i mean

I think sombra will be the last

First reaper or widow, next doom, n sombra last

[spare fox]

yeah whatever the order - those heroes especially Widowmaker and Sombra - a lot of players are unhappy about their kits

Widow just feels unfair to play against being all-or-nothing with very little counter-play depending on the map

and Sombra is obvious

and IF they're opening up the idea of kit changes to go along with lore progression - I hope they have Wrecking Ball and Junkrat on their list too

WB is - god I hate playing against Ball, I hate when there's a Ball on my team

[nocturne rivet]

Ye, playing against widow is boring

Against a good widow i mean

U need a winton or ball to annoy her

[spare fox]

and Junkrat, now with all the damn flying heroes and basically his entire kit is obsolete unless you just need quick high damage bursts and the enemy team doesn't have flankers

[nocturne rivet]

why bro

[nocturne rivet]

i dont think ball need a change in his kit

Is pretty pretty good

[spare fox]

annoying. Everything about ball is annoying

and now he's got the double ult FR like

UGHHHH

[nocturne rivet]

its very bad compared to the another minor perk

Its only 7 mines in ur ult

The other perk is x2 dmg against tanks

And with the new subroles

Some tanks gonna be vulnerable against ball

[spare fox]

I'm not saying ball's kit is bad or ineffective

I'm specifically saying it's annoying to play against

[nocturne rivet]

I think junkrat need smt like a ult rework

[spare fox]

and it's annoying to have a ball on your team, bc rarely do they act like a tank so it's like plying without a tank

[nocturne rivet]

When u play with a ball in ur team

[spare fox]

agreed, his kit has been getting more and more and more obsolete, especially compared to new heroes

[nocturne rivet]

U need to be the more coordinate with him as possible

If u see goin in 1v5 u shoot with him

[spare fox]

ok, I understand that but it doesn't happen

[nocturne rivet]

Ball can go in 1v5 n survive

And when the 5 enemies r looking at him

U attack from another direction

If the ball go back or scape

U scape too

[spare fox]

yes, ok I'm not arguing that it's badly designed or anything

just that it's annoying

[nocturne rivet]

its like

So much ball players dont understand how his hero works

They think ball is like a dps with 1000hp

[spare fox]

it's like Widow is annoying to play against, "oh but just don't go out in the open hur dur" like YES I understand that logically BUT I want to PLAY THE GAME and that requires going out in the open

[nocturne rivet]

Yiep

And dont talk bout widow hanzo

Hanzo with the wallhack arrow

Ow hel nau

[spare fox]

I'm actually fine with the wallhack arrow - there's at least a visual and audio cue for it if you pay attention

I wouldn't argue for or against it staying - IMO as a casual metal rank player it's never been the bane of any of my games

[nocturne rivet]

Yiep but what u do against that arrow when the hanzo have a widow?

a good widow with some wallhacks from allies

Is crazy

N if the hanzo is good too

U cant play the game

[spare fox]

I mean - I play rq and am metal rank qp player, so if they have widow and hanzo, just stay back and behind a choke or the tank and they aren't going anywhere

bc a hanzo widow ain't going in with the tank so unless their tank is able to 3 v 5 my team (assuming their healers are in with them) it's nbd

honestly as a metal qp player, I tend to play Mei on sniper maps

I use wall to block off Widow sightlines and I'm pretty efficient in sniping widows from a distance as Mei lol

BUT we're getting off the topic of lore

and no one should take gameplay advice from me anyway I'mjust a casual lorehead

[peak escarp]

you shouldn't be giving gameplay advice in Lore-D anyway

[spare fox]

yeah sorry, it wasn't my intention - discussion just kind of meandered. Back on topic!

but I do like the lore-tie-in kit updates like they did with Orisa

[peak escarp]

does make me wonder if/how Doomfist's dethronement will affect his kit

[untold sparrow]

Soni have one question. WILL MAUGA WIN THE FIGHT AGAINST JUNKER QUEEN?

[peak escarp]

maybe

maybe he'll fight Ball

[untold sparrow]

Ball isn't there any more if Im correct

[past copper]

Sad thing, I think the team has forgotten Sugma

[peak escarp]

he's not really important though

[spare fox]

no, he was conspicuously absent

[past copper]

If not, scary to imagine what Vendetta would use his for. Especially now that Sombra won't be looking out for him

[spare fox]

plus he's not really part of the Talon "team" he's more a hostage

[untold sparrow]

He's.....himself

[past copper]

Unless... he was sent to Gibraltar

[peak escarp]

why would he be

[spare fox]

to be used as a weapon i guess

[past copper]

Nothing says destroy your enemies like sending an unstable man with the power to create black holes

[peak escarp]

he can't create black holes

[untold sparrow]

what if he joins overwatch ?

[untold sparrow]

He controls gravity

[spare fox]

you keep saying Sigma is not important yet apparently Mauga is? Widow is? I don't see why you keep saying that about Sigma specifically

[peak escarp]

Mauga and Widowmaker are proven field agents

[past copper]

Doubtful. Sigma isn't even actually aware, that we know of, of the state of things around him

[peak escarp]

Sigma is kept in a lab doing research

[untold sparrow]

True...poor lad he has DID

[peak escarp]

not exactly

[untold sparrow]

Psychosis?

[peak escarp]

his psyche is fractured

[past copper]

Accept that Talon is down field agents and Freja and Emre clearly aren't leading the Assault on Gibraltar

[peak escarp]

it's not any real world diagnosis

[spare fox]

it's more like he had an encounter with multiple different realities and it frayed his brilliant mind

he's still super intelligent he's just confused about what reality he's in

[untold sparrow]

Ah ok. So he's in multiple realities at once

[past copper]

I can only imagine what happens at Gibraltar will be a PvE. Overwatch vs Talon units

[peak escarp]

I wish

[untold sparrow]

Nope..no pve

[spare fox]

I weouldn't hold your breath for PvE

[untold sparrow]

Bad pointing pve. Bad

[spare fox]

it might be a cut scene at most

probably a comic or short story

[past copper]

Looks like we will see in 3 days

[untold sparrow]

Short story

I bet that

[spare fox]

maybe possibly some kind of event mode but I doubt it

[untold sparrow]

But the already doing that tho

[past copper]

Either way. The base is under attack. Vendetta pulled an Iron Man 3 on them

[untold sparrow]

Marvel.

[past copper]

Only thing is, how the team will escape and where they will go after. Gibraltar will most likely be destroyed

[spare fox]

No I meant more like a limited deathmatch game, Where you play either on OW or Talon, limited hero pools for each. But it probably won't be that

[untold sparrow]

Hmm maybe a vade in Rio? That'd be cool

[spare fox]

Atlantic Arcology trust

[untold sparrow]

They did that

Mirror watch lol

[past copper]

They would most likely go where they would not put people in danger

[spare fox]

Yes but obv not w mirrorwatch kits

[past copper]

Probably another abandoned Watchpoint

[spare fox]

But I don't think they're gonna do it anyway

Abandoned Watchpoint wouldn't be very secure though

My bet is Atlantic Arcology

[untold sparrow]

Antartica

[spare fox]

They've been teasing the martensssss as characters since ow2 launch

[untold sparrow]

BEST BET

bet that is why they took it off. To revamp it lol

[past copper]

It's safer then putting a populated place in danger. Vendetta doesn't strike me as the type to concern herself with civilian casualties

[untold sparrow]

Btw what is the lore of jetpack cat?

[past copper]

Cat. With a jetpack. Full story

[untold sparrow]

XD

no cool lore. Just "jetpack"

[peak escarp]

for now

[untold sparrow]

They gonna be a key character lol

[peak escarp]

she'll be as important as Sigma

[untold sparrow]

( I know that isn't true but it'd be cool)

I WANT THE UPDATE OUT NOWWWW :C

[shrewd pivot]

Mood...

[past copper]

Regardless. Nobody says PvE is 100% off the table for the opening mission. Tho, that giant Talon ship can't just be for troops. Gotta be someone on point, but as we see in the comic, nobody is available

[untold sparrow]

You feel the same?

[peak escarp]

as much as I would love a PvE mission of Overwatch vs Talon... I've learned not to expect it

[past copper]

Not unless Mizuki is on the mission, but I doubt it

[peak escarp]

why can't the dropshops just be for troops?

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah. I am usually very patient but man it feels like forever until February 10 haha

[peak escarp]

there doesn't need to be a named agent participating in the attack

[untold sparrow]

Iiiikkkkkkk

[past copper]

Bc Talon always has a leader as far as we see lately. More or less. Like Mauga, Reaper, that unnamed leader who hunted for Cole and Baptiste

[spare fox]

it seems like they're making the seasons longer but also having more events per season? am I mistaken?

[hollow oar]

have yall heard about potential pve stuff going on next season? lowkey i never gave a shit about pve in all my time of playing, but if that ends up happening it would be SO peak

[past copper]

But really, it mostly depends what we are diving into with that. Troops being deployed or just straight up fire on sight from the sky

[peak escarp]

then like in New Blood, they can have an unnamed lieutenant lead the attack

[spare fox]

nothing PvE has been mentioned

[hollow oar]

real asf

[untold sparrow]

It...not likely, but plausible

[past copper]

No. But neither has the Talon v Overwatch been fully shown outside the mission map. Iirc

[hollow oar]

crossing my fingers

[shrewd pivot]

If there's pve it would probably be along the lines of the Cosmic crisis event, but themed around a canon moment. I don't expect PVE missions along the lines of Toronto, etc.

[hollow oar]

https://www.reddit.com/user/PlayOverwatch2/comments/1qx3wvo/overwatch_reign_of_talon_s1_conquest_a_new_decade/?p=1&impressionid=5268607645115270208 check this reddit thing, scroll down a little in the post and you'll see smth abt pve

i can send u a screenshot in dms if u want of the part that makes me wonder if there'll be pve, i dont have image perms here lmao

[past copper]

I don't think most people have image perms since the spotlight event

Trying to prevent spoilers I guess?

[peak escarp]

looks like a lot of spam

[spare fox]

I don't see anything about PvE in that post

[peak escarp]

I don't see anything either

[shrewd pivot]

It's not pve, it's a challenge event that is mentioned in this where you can play for Overwatch rewards(sprays etc) or for Talon rewards(sprays etc), or be a double agent and get both rewards. It's not pve it's like, a rewards system for playing normal games of overwatch.

[spare fox]

and I'm not anti-PvE I'm just saying nothing official has been announced

yeah I think their experiments with mini PvE and PvPvE modes didn't go too well and they're not likely to follow through with anything like that for the lore I'm afraid

Junkenstein was the only real success, but the Diablo mode, Starwatch, the giant orisa mode... they were all mid at best

archives and missions were good but idt the effort they put into them were really balanced out by long term replayability w the player base either

[hollow oar]

^^ yeah 100% my bad, i read the post wrong 🤣 🤣 i think i saw "story-focused" and just automatically assumed pve lmao
mb, i gotta work on my reading comprehension skills. whoopsies

[shrewd pivot]

I think pve missions like Toronto, etc and pve missions like Cosmic crisis struggle from the fact they are set up like WoW raids and not proper fps campaign modes. Lots of sitting in the same place shooting, press button to do a gather animation. Etc.

Lost Planet 2 (2010) had some rather fun multiplayer campaign missions with destructable enemies and fun movement so idk i would like to think overwatch could do something better than the missions we do have for pve lol

[edgy meadow]

i still doubt we get pve missions, i think theyre just gonna do the conquest challenge stuff and maybe a temporary pvp game mode like the old season-themed ones

if they did pve stuff i think they would have been a lot more upfront about it

given the riffs of their marketing for the next year

[shrewd pivot]

The best bet is doing archives missions once a year imo. Let's people get immersed and it's only one small mission per year.

[edgy meadow]

what is this dawg

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HAQvtyGWQAAThA4.mp4

reddit culture is so weird i cant even find the post

[edgy meadow]

i think the game just doesnt have the infrastructure to really enable interesting pve stuff and the devs probably know that on their own merit

i can also see them not wanting to risk diving into that pool and failing again

[pseudo blaze]

Hey lore people is it true that widow sombra and reaper left talon and freja and Emre are joining talon? If that’s true how would widow and reaper survive because moira created them like based on voice lines mercy could help them but I don’t think reaper is exactly eager to go back to Overwatch

[wise grotto]

Reaper has no issue surviving
Widows gonna be incredibly unstable since she’ll be without the drugs widow gives her to suppress widows emotions

[spare fox]

we'll have to see what Widow and Reaper wind up doign without Moira's medical intervention

[pseudo blaze]

Tbh the only one ide expect to leave is sombra because she’s playing her own game

[spare fox]

if they even broke contact with Moira at all

they might still be a side project of Moira's who knows

[edgy meadow]

widow, sombra and reaper left talon, yes.

Emre is a part of a talon. Freja wants want to accompany him + is on a payroll by Max, which is a part of talon, Freja isnt loyal to the organization and is a neutral bounty hunter.

moira didnt 'create' them, but she did experiment on them and modify them into the engineered living-weapons that talon wanted them to be.

we arent aware of any issues that should come to reaper, but widowmaker does depend on medication in order to suppress her guilt and emotion, which she cant acquire on her own.

reaper and widow are hostile to overwatch due to their history with it, especially reaper's history with it

[glad fox]

isnt widowmaker's name kinda ironic since she made herself a widow too

[torn galleon]

I am unsure if junker queen will join talon. She really doesn't seem to mind being her little own region and just ruling over njc and junker town.

She mostly just seems to care for her people and just wants things to be chill with organized fights and people just chillaxing

She doesn't seem to be the world domination type and based off of the previous interactions with doom, and soldier 76 she doesn't really seem to like talon all that much or atletas doesn't favor them

[wise grotto]

Mauga will probably go for trial by combat

[heady solstice]

Plus isn't Max a part of talon? I don't think she would be willing to be on a team with him anyway

[brittle sky]

Given she happily bullies, onerously shakes down, and sees her subject as a resource for her own enrichment and entertainment, care is a dubious word here.

[torn galleon]

Ok cares about them to an extent

It's more like she bullies them but won't let anyone else bullies them

Bully*

[brittle sky]

I mean, she finds it funny when bad things happen to them generally. Only really steps in and gets defensive when it's her position and dominance challenged

[torn galleon]

Based on her cinematic she definitely has some care for some of the junkers

[peak escarp]

I don't think JQ will join Talon, but I do think she will accept Vendetta as an ally

[spare fox]

I'm just wondering how the Mauga-Junker thing will even go down bc

Last we saw, Queen and ball were prepping a ship for a "road trip"

God imagine Mauga gets there and the gate guy is like "sorry mate ya just missed er"

[fast ledge]

Im pretty sure mauga and ashe did the nay nay during 2020 covid lockdown

[spare fox]

Nah but I'm wondering if it's JQ he's gonna meet up with, maybe Merri/Geiger or like if junkertown goes into lock down and tells them to go kick rocks

[paper gazelle]

Unlikely, other than Sombra probably helping Overwatch in some way, I think she's still friends with Baptiste

[spare fox]

And Cas

[bold fern]

whats the plan a for the mission and why did plan b happen (killing antonio)

[keen summit]

The plan was to capture him

Reaper killed him cuz of revenge

[edgy tree]

Antonio directly told him that overwatch can't actually do anything to him

He wasn't known as a criminal

[keen summit]

So reaoer went

Fine

[edgy tree]

"I'll do it myself"

[keen summit]

Ill do it

[edgy tree]

who would've known it would end up destroying Overwatch and causing a world scale invasion with Vendetta

bro has to watch his trigger finger

[edgy tree]

Freja wants to help Emre and Max forced her hand to join the payroll is mostly an excuse

[bold fern]

but it will make them stronger

[edgy tree]

I don't think Reaper particulary cares about that

[sharp lake]

Do you guys think tracer hears "the melody" but mostly ignores it by being the way she is? Because sigma was driven mad trying to get closer to it

I just find the theory so interesting given the one interaction between them

[edgy tree]

I think the melody is just a side-effect of his experiment

it wasn't something he actually desired to hear 24/7

[bold fern]

she did feel uncomfortable when sigma asked her

most likelt she does

[bold fern]

reaper and mauga would be good friends but for some reason they arent

[edgy tree]

Well Mauga is loud and only cares about living his day like it's his last

[sharp lake]

I agree because she had that flying slipstream accident so she definitely hears something

[sharp lake]

That is true I think however he can't not stop hearing it so he turns to distraction

[edgy tree]

Yeah that's stated multiple times

like how Lucios music was Distracting

[sharp lake]

Mhm

I've only recently just gotten back into the lore

[edgy tree]

For me it doesn't feel like she would Tracers accident was more or less just time based Sigma has a black hole inside his head and sees the entire universe

[sharp lake]

I mean for me it sounds like she witnessed something in the slipstream akin or if not similar to sigma however on a much less significant scale but it effects her differently

[edgy tree]

We don't know how she acted before the incident so there's not much we can say

[sharp lake]

That is true

[edgy tree]

but she just doesn't seem to act... off like Sigma does

or knows the melody

[sharp lake]

And she says she has a bit of a ring in her ears when he asks her before actively avoiding the question

[bold fern]

both like killing and both like doing their own things

sombra is quite annoying and reaper tolerates it

[edgy tree]

Mauga acts like a child Which greatly annoyed Reaper during their mission

[bold fern]

so not sure why he dosent like mauga

[edgy tree]

Sombra is still mostly serious when it matters

[bold fern]

i mean so does sombra, she teases the entire cast and threatens to leak private stuff

[sharp lake]

So I think she can hear the melody but is really good at ignoring it

[bold fern]

true

[edgy tree]

That's BEFORE the fight

you don't see her joke around like he does mid-battle

[bold fern]

true

yeah makes sense now

[edgy tree]

or she just doesn't cuz someone that seems to have hyperactivity woudn't be able to just ignore that

[sharp lake]

Possibly

[bold fern]

@edgy tree since widow sombra left talon and doom got kicked off talon

[edgy tree]

There are Mirrorwatch skins

Reaper also left btw

[meager geyser]

Mirrorwatch is gonna be canon now 😭

It would be kinda cool tho

Ngl

[bold fern]

yeah ik but

its a possiblity

[edgy tree]

I don't think the world will allow someone like DOOMFIST a known criminal to be anywhere but in jail

[bold fern]

reaper will be too stubborn

[bold fern]

considering ow will be overwhelmed

they kinda need doom

villain + heroes vs villain

cliche

[edgy tree]

He won't join them though

He hated how Overwatch caused a power inbalance

[meager geyser]

"Hi! Zuko here"

[bold fern]

wont have to join

truce

but ow will fund his "gear"

[edgy tree]

having him wear overwatch gear will not be good publicity

Honestly same with Widow the public knows she's a killer

[jade linden]

It's awesome to see Doomfist as a good guy 🥹

[edgy tree]

yeah Mirrorwatch is cool

hope they bring it back with some more skins

[median orchid]

I see two outcomes for this:

1: Sombra, Widow and Reaper team up with Overwatch to get rid of vendetta. Maybe redeeming themselves and officially joining the org (The last part is unlikely though in my oppinion)

2: Sombra, Widow and Reaper form their own "faction" with Doomfist to reclaim Talon from Vendetta

IDK just shower toughts

[bold fern]

i mean if he potentially stops talon with ow

surely that will give a better reputation

[edgy tree]

Doesn't just erase the fact he killed people

like would you be happy if some murderer suddently was in a superhero group?

[bold fern]

i think its the facg they are limited

with options

if u can have a powerhouse of a fighter and a presumably good leader

why waste him

[keen osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1qzb1fx/updated_current_affiliation_of_each_overwatch_hero/

Just made a reddit post with an image about everyone's current Affiliation within the lore, let me know if i missed something or something is off :P

[pearl halo]

Hanzo goes with kiri

Was said in a book

You can leave torb in his clan but put him in overwatch, he's an affiliate but not part of it anymore

Also im pretty sure ana didnt answer the recall? Could be wrong abt this tho

No she didnt answer the recall

But she still helps overwatch so you can put her in her own category

Also anran and woyang joined overwatch already?

Appart from that good chart, and with my limited knowledge id say its accurate

[keen osprey]

Yup just did a correction abt ana! shes indeed not part of overwatch anymore

[keen osprey]

yup!

we can see some arts of them and in the end of cinematic of those 2

[pearl halo]

Oh icic, i didnt follow that far yet ig

If i may, id argue you can kinda put kiri and hanzo in ow already, since they fight the hashimoto and WILL eventually join

And mizuki in the yokai too since he is a double agent

[keen osprey]

I'm not too sure about Torb cause yes he is indeed withing overwatch but I'm not too sure if i should put him under it.
He said he just want to do his things and protect his family while being away from all that stuff

[keen osprey]

until its not canon i'd wait :)

[keen osprey]

also Hanzo is not Yokai

Yokai is the gang of Kiriko

which we see at the end of her comic story

[pearl halo]

No but he helps kiri and co, like associates

Was said in a book or smth

[keen osprey]

Oohh

you might be right yk

but im not that sure he is part of it

weird spot for Hanzo

[pearl halo]

Ig you can do "yokai/hanzo"

[keen osprey]

same as Ana id rather put her in indipendent like Soldier:76 even tho he is clearly under Overwatch

[pearl halo]

But yea appart from that you can do the double mizuki and imo itd be perfect

[pearl halo]

Yea makes sense honestly

[keen osprey]

double agent?

i might have missed smth abt him lmaoo

[pearl halo]

Yeah

He is hashimoto infilitrated in yokai

[keen osprey]

ooh damn really

[pearl halo]

But conflicted abt who to side with

[keen osprey]

i might split him then tbh

[civic lynx]

At spotlight they say he’s tasked with infiltrating the yokai and also in the (I’d assume) lore accurate event artwork for S1 he is fighting for OW

[keen osprey]

no shot

thats so cool

[civic lynx]

They say at spotlight if he was to be lost to the yokai or even worse OW it would be a devastating blow to vendetta’s plans in the region

Heavily implying that’s what’s gonna happen

[keen osprey]

damnn

[pearl halo]

I think its the first villain turned nice guy ngl

[keen osprey]

thats crazy stuff

then let me update it real quickly

thx god i made this program cause if not i would go crazy

[keen osprey]

we waiting for u doomfist ❤️❤️

[pearl halo]

Yea W thing you did ngl

[civic lynx]

I think doom will be teased this summer as to where he’s hiding and who he’s with

[pearl halo]

We lowk need someone to arrange lore so everyone can catch up

[civic lynx]

He probably won’t appear on our screens fully until BlizzCon

[keen osprey]

Okay so

what about Symmetra

i think shes under Vishkar even tho she might not want to be in talon

[civic lynx]

Vishkar currently as far as my limited lore goes

[keen osprey]

as it is rn id leave her ther

[pearl halo]

Sym is vishkar but she is nice

[civic lynx]

I think she may leave tho

[keen osprey]

yeah i think the same too

[pearl halo]

Leave her vishkar imo

[civic lynx]

Domina wont be able to keep vishkar’s talon affiliation secret forever

But it won’t be just yet

[keen osprey]

we confirm Junkrat and Roadhog are indeed not junkers under JQ bur rather indipendent criminals?

[pearl halo]

Will most likely be s3 or 4 IMO

[civic lynx]

Sym may find out with her own two eyes what vishkar is doing

[pearl halo]

Banned from JT by jq

[civic lynx]

And that definitely won’t be til this fall or winter

[pearl halo]

So yea

They not affiliated with her

[keen osprey]

okay perfect

[pearl halo]

You could put them together imo

[keen osprey]

then i just miss where to put hanzo and mitzuki

[keen osprey]

yeah they are in indipendent for now

[civic lynx]

I like how based on silhouette alone we can tell what faction each of the next 3 heroes are likely to be

[keen osprey]

frrr

[civic lynx]

The skinny robot lookin thing and the detective omnic are the only ones I can’t really work out

[keen osprey]

Also Torbjorn, im not sure Ironclad Guild is under overwatch even tho he still cares about them obv, just like Ana and Soldier

[civic lynx]

I think it’s separate but he could end up joining ow to help against vendetta

[pearl halo]

Theres widow 2.0 and im 100% sure she will be talon 😭

[keen osprey]

fair!

[civic lynx]

Based on how skinny her waist is she looks like a null sector bot or something 😭🙏🏽

[keen osprey]

So in the Hashimoto Clan there is no playable heroes right now right?

cause if Mitzuki is in the Yokais

[civic lynx]

No human’s waist is that snatched

[pearl halo]

Mizuki is in both rn id say

[keen osprey]

oooh

i see

then i put him twice

[pearl halo]

Since he didnt leave hashimoto yet

[pearl halo]

Nono im talking abt drone lady on the right

This one looks hashimoto imo, alongside horned lady

[civic lynx]

Mizuki is both as blanc said but S3 seems to be adding a new permanent hashimoto

[civic lynx]

I think drone lady is helix security

[keen osprey]

okay!

[civic lynx]

And she’s the new chief of security

The drone she has will be shown when talon infiltrate that base

[keen osprey]

then i think i just miss Hanzo, do i leave him under Indipendent / Unknown or Yokais

[civic lynx]

And then it’s revealed to be for the new hero since she’s already confirmed DPS

[pearl halo]

I think with yokai since he helps kiri

[keen osprey]

Lets see what @civic lynx thinks

[civic lynx]

I have like no knowledge on lore outside of the animated shorts so I’m no help

[keen osprey]

lmfaoo

mmmhmm

[pearl halo]

Dont think lore keeper is up

And dont wanna bothee them

@wooden drift

Ill bother you instead

[keen osprey]

hahahaha

let's see

[pearl halo]

Whatchu think abt hanzo? With kiri or independent?

[keen osprey]

send me a tag whenever they answer

i need answers frfr

[pearl halo]

Haha sure

For now just keep him in independent i think

Or make him a category as "kiri affiliate"

Would make the most sense since he isnt 100% yokai

[keen osprey]

just got a comment saying Emre should also be under the bounty hunter category along side with Freja rather than a Talon Member

what do we think

[pearl halo]

Im 50/50 abt it

Yes, he is a bounty hunter, but he has been talon for awhile

[wooden drift]

Whaaat

[pearl halo]

Atp i wouldnt be surprised if he was contracted by talon, but he works alone alot

[pearl halo]

Gimme a sec

[pearl halo]

.

Check dis out

Hanzo in or out of kiri category

Since he helps them alot

But he isnt yokai

[keen osprey]

We already adjusted Ana Mitzuki

but we unsure abotu Emre and Hanzo
is Hanzo indipendent? or under Yokai?
is Emre under talon or should go in the Bounty Hunters category

[wooden drift]

He and kiriko do stuff together, if I remember correctly

[keen osprey]

Bet let's put Hanzo in the Yokais then

[pearl halo]

Someone in the comments brought up a good point about emre, so i think yea he should go into bountu hunters

[keen osprey]

Let's goo

let me do that

[pearl halo]

Alrighty

@keen osprey also i just noticed but idk if orisa is really overwatch since, at the moment, she is in numbani with efie, and not working with overwatch

[keen osprey]

We've seen her within multiple arts along side Overwatch and the Christmas one too

I'd say shes pretty safe there

[pearl halo]

Fair point

[wooden drift]

Orisa is fifty fifty tbh

[pearl halo]

Also who's the thing on top right of owerwatch category?

[wooden drift]

She could be member of overwatch

[pearl halo]

Cuz it looks weird

[wooden drift]

But we didn't really saw her do anything

With them

[keen osprey]

I think Fika / Jetpack cat lmao?

[wooden drift]

Only in numbani

[keen osprey]

true but there is an image in Giblartar showing her there too along side with Efie

[civic lynx]

It’s jetpack cat they just zoomed the fuck in on this picture

And increased the brightness

[pearl halo]

Oh yeah lmao i see it now

[keen osprey]

i need their faces silhouettes asap

[pearl halo]

DAYM

She looks terrifying in that saturation

[civic lynx]

She stares straight at the camera in the hero select gallery

Looks like she’s looking into ur soul

[pearl halo]

She breaks the 4th wall

Thats why she doesnt talk

[keen osprey]

lmfaoaooo

[wooden drift]

She's self aware

[pearl halo]

Deadpool of overwatch

[civic lynx]

Big and greedy

[wooden drift]

It probably would've looked weird, if her face was to the side like other characters

[civic lynx]

I lowkey want them to explain why she can’t speak in lore with her origin story

Usually they have the character narrate their own origin story outside of ball

So who would do jetpack cat’s

[pearl halo]

meowmeowmeomwoemwoemowmeimw

[wooden drift]

Briggite maybe would narrate it

[pearl halo]

She is voiced by ashe VA, so ashe?

[keen osprey]

Okay got a comment saying to put the Ironclad Guild under Overwatch

lets do that

[civic lynx]

They say at spotlight she turned up at Gibraltar and if there’s more to her story, she’s not telling

So who would know where she was before Gibraltar other than a new character

[pearl halo]

Oh... infilitrated 😼

[civic lynx]

[pearl halo]

Jetpack cat is a villain confirmed

Tripple agent

Works for junkers

[civic lynx]

She’s a drone from talon

[wooden drift]

Talon secret member

[civic lynx]

Like how the government use pigeons

[pearl halo]

Sleeper agent

Gonna wake up after hearing the secret catcall

[civic lynx]

Lowkey would be a cool plot twist

And explains why she just randomly appeared at Gibraltar of all places

[pearl halo]

Fr

And why they didnt use mitzki

Cuz mitzki could never be a sleeper agent

[wooden drift]

Then why Vendetta instantly bombed Gibraltar after putting her there

[civic lynx]

Mizuki seems to have his own shenanigans in Tokyo they need him specifically for

[civic lynx]

Maybe to not let ow become curious or try to dig into where the cat came from since they’d be busy panicking over talon burning their home to the ground

Brig just seemingly adopted her instantly

[pearl halo]

Vendetta doing too much ngl

Girl just came in

[civic lynx]

But the rest of OW would probably have questions about where this cat came from to randomly turn up

[pearl halo]

And already fighting in 5 places at same time

[civic lynx]

She is and it’s what will be her downfall

[wooden drift]

Probably be her downfall in the future

[pearl halo]

She gonna taste the power of the IRS

[wooden drift]

Doomfist did absolutely nothing and Vendetta too much

[civic lynx]

She’s trying to juggle taking over the whole world at once as well as strengthening her own faction

[pearl halo]

Yeah

Oh yea

She has collosseo AND talon now

Daym

[civic lynx]

If doom comes back as part of a new faction he will stop at nothing to get vendetta

[pearl halo]

They outnumbering ow with a 50000:1 ratio lmao

[wooden drift]

But they don't have winton

[civic lynx]

And if the deadlocks and hashimoto turn against her or fall there goes 2 of her allies

[pearl halo]

I think he will mostly be there to annoy her and make her do moves

[civic lynx]

Vishkar would probably be exposed eventually by sym, lw or sombra

[keen osprey]

Okay I updated the grid but i cant send images here so RIP if someone wants it lmk, ill post it updated tmrw on reddit

[civic lynx]

And forced to abandon talon

[wooden drift]

I don't think they would betray her unless she starts betraying first

Hashimoto gains stuff from her and Ashe isn't into betrayal at all

She's definitely keeping her word

[civic lynx]

Ashe would keep to her word for this mission but if the deadlocks don’t join talon officially I can see her eventually doing something against them for money or something else she wants later

[pearl halo]

I do want it if you can send pls

[keen osprey]

Would y'all keep Illari in the Inti Warriors or in Indipendent
Cause in the wiki its stated that shes still part of it
but the Inti Warriors straight up died

so welp

[keen osprey]

for sure!

[pearl halo]

She is the only inti warrior so

[keen osprey]

peak

go queen

[pearl halo]

May as well keep her there lmao

[wooden drift]

She's currently with soldier, but idk

[pearl halo]

She will probably do stuff with soldjer in the futur

[keen osprey]

We'll wait and see ig

[pearl halo]

They did meet already tbf

But we dont know what they did

Except talk abt trauma ig

[wooden drift]

Trauma bonding with the man in his fifties

[keen osprey]

LMFAO

[pearl halo]

60s soon

[wooden drift]

Damn he's old

[covert oak]

I thought sym worked for vishkar?

[wooden drift]

She's slowly deflecting from them

[keen osprey]

She def doesn't fit in it anymore
first she had dialogues conflicts with Lifeweaver about Vishkar
now with Vishkar joining Talon i'm sure she'll take a position

[pearl halo]

She is more aligned with the overwatch ideology, not talon one

Also y'all forget lucio, but lucio will probably do smth big to explose vishkar once and for all

[pearl halo]

Vishkar has always been talon tbf, its just now even more

[keen osprey]

yeah true true

[keen osprey]

my husband btw

[wooden drift]

Please give this man cinematic...

[pearl halo]

Dam, he will NEVER get a mythic just because blizz wants to ragebait frogger

Sorry not sorry its the truth

[wooden drift]

Isn't the problem because of the va?

[pearl halo]

Is it?

Idk anything honestly

[wooden drift]

Well he didn't get any new voice lines for more than a year

[pearl halo]

Dam

May get replaced soon

[hollow oar]

personally i'd still put her in inti warriors

[pearl halo]

Just like french zarya getting replaced by illari va 😭😭😭

[keen osprey]

doesnt he has one with Arnar now??

[pearl halo]

French zarya was SO GOOD

[keen osprey]

i heard them talk

[wooden drift]

Only nooow

[pearl halo]

Now its... whataver