lore-discussion

[pearl halo]

So its not needed

But for killing its prefered since it makes her forget her dead husband

[wooden drift]

She only was conditioned into killing her husband, joining talon was her own choice

[wild jacinth]

Interesting so widow will be like remorseful now ?

[pearl halo]

She always has been

She js takes meds to forget

[wooden drift]

She is remorseful about killing her husband

Even horrified about how easy it felt and all

Still not a good person tho

[pearl halo]

After killing him she unlocked a secret perk that made her purple

[wooden drift]

Nuh, her skin purple cuz of her slowdowned heartbeat

[pearl halo]

French cheese do that sometimes

[wooden drift]

Ew

Purple cheese

[pearl halo]

Goated cheese

The forbidden sniper cheese 🔥

Also js thought abt it but talon having new interactions with vishkar reps means we will get more vishkar actions

Which means more frog action 🔥🔥

[wooden drift]

Unfortunately not

Cuz for some reason there's no new Lucio voice lines

Maybe one of the reasons for the lack of mythic skin

[pearl halo]

Mercy getting a 2nd one ☠️

[wooden drift]

So, mythic weapon is the only thing

Ye, it sucks

[pearl halo]

Lore reason for mercy hogging all the skins pls?

[wooden drift]

Mercy players funding lore and cinematics

[pearl halo]

I mean vishkar most likely didnt take action YET, so maybe will take some time

[wooden drift]

And keeping game f2p

[pearl halo]

They just giving some funds for now if i understood things correctly between vendetta and domina

[wooden drift]

Nuh, they work close

[pearl halo]

Being pressured by vendetta cuz vishkar got a really bad reputation rn

[wild jacinth]

New gladiator skins go hard

Mauga and Emre looking fire

[wooden drift]

Yea, I expected them give her that skin

[pearl halo]

Mauga always been fire if you ask me

[wooden drift]

Didn't expected it that soon

I thought they'll take their sweat time like with soj

[wooden drift]

He's skins were always good

Every single one

[wild jacinth]

I cant explain how excited I was when mauga got announced

[past copper]

Anyway, back to lore. Vendetta might not be unfavorable as a character, but she’s certainly doing what Doomfist refused to do

Move Talon forward, expand their reach, and stop hiding in the shadows

[pearl halo]

Sweet*

[wooden drift]

Fuck

[pearl halo]

All good gang

English prolly isnt your first language just like me lol

[wooden drift]

Nuh, I just confused sweat and sweet

Frequently

[wooden drift]

Yup

[pearl halo]

I wasnt, pepple leaving to buy the bp to get him to win bro 😭

Design wise i loved him, gameplay wise he's so cancer

Still better than orisa

[pearl halo]

Yeah thats true ngl

[wooden drift]

I think he meant that mauga was shown so long ago and he finally became playable character

He even supposed to be in the game the even earlier

In place of sigma

[pearl halo]

Daym

They took their time with him

[wooden drift]

Yea, in alternative universe mauga would've had Sigma's kit

[pearl halo]

But ngl one hero im excited to see is the detective looking clanker

And the new dva like character

Both look really cool

[edgy tree]

Real fans know that Maugas kit is inspired by the Talon Heavy assault enemy

[shrewd pivot]

I am hype for trenchcoat omnic too I wonder what the lore is for that character

[wooden drift]

Still waiting for that skin for mauga

[edgy tree]

twin chain miniguns and can charge

Hell their build is basically the same

[pearl halo]

Apparently its maximilien

Or will be

Biggest theory at least

A GAME THEORY

[edgy tree]

yeee

"Talon Recruit Mauga"

[wooden drift]

Nuh, if max would ever be a playable character, I think he'll be controlling some kind of robot remotely

[edgy tree]

His design is a bit too simple to be used like he is now

[wooden drift]

He doesn't gives me the vibes of getting his hands dirty

[pearl halo]

Cant be the big clanker in the back cuz its most likely a dva friend

[shrewd pivot]

The dots are different tho, so probably a different character

[edgy tree]

also yeah he's the guy who'd rather trick people to avoid confrontation

or make a deal

[pearl halo]

Thought those were like krillin forehead thing

But yea maybe

[wooden drift]

Bro would throw his boss under the bus to keep himself alive

[edgy tree]

TWICE

[wooden drift]

Twice

[edgy tree]

Somehow got away with it too lol

[wooden drift]

Max at fault for Doomfist's defeat too

[shrewd pivot]

I mean ig Maximilien could get a new faceplate? The dots are "omnic optics", they seem to be used for navigation.
I would love Maximilien on the roster but my bet is that the trenchcoat omnic is a different character

[wooden drift]

I think not every important character in lore should be playable

[pearl halo]

I dont think they'll add too many non important lore characters tho

[dry pebble]

I like to headcanon Domino and Symmetra's relationship to be like Vanessa Gecko and Princess Caroline from Bojack Horseman

[edgy tree]

well yeah not only did he got him in jail he basically gave away Talon secrets to Vendetta

[wooden drift]

Eh, I would say anran and wuyang is pretty filler characters

[dry pebble]

Mukizen

[edgy tree]

Water college

[dry pebble]

Venture

[shrewd pivot]

My i present filler character: Jetpack cat

[dry pebble]

True

[pearl halo]

Who's that again

[edgy tree]

They were shown off before at least

[dry pebble]

Industry Plant

[wooden drift]

People wanted jetpack cat and they gave us her

Who cares

[dry pebble]

New support

[pearl halo]

For the girlies ahh character

[dry pebble]

They literally asked for filler character

What's the matter

[wooden drift]

Having hashimoto character isn't really filler

[pearl halo]

Especially if its important hashimoto member

[wooden drift]

I would've prefer tank, but I'll take it

[edgy tree]

They stole from us that sick Kappa Omnic for a random ahh Japanese guy

[pearl halo]

Will most likely be a skin ngl

[dry pebble]

Being hashimoto isn't even an excuse

[pearl halo]

Yokai skin pack

[edgy tree]

Looks too diffrent tbh

[dry pebble]

Also Jetpack cat is stupid due to not using Brigitte's cat

Why is it some random cat

[shrewd pivot]

She's not exactly the same vibes, if she's just a normal cat. Also her jetpack shape use isn't very compelling. Only meows, no way for anyone to understand her unlike bastion. It's not that she wasn't wanted, i just meant lore wise there are other characters that have more lore than JPC, thus JPC is a "filler" character.

[edgy tree]

I also kinda dislike the fact he doesn't have that much Kappa inspiration

just a mask and a giant KAPPA on his clothes

[wooden drift]

It's probably not normal if she can use jetpack

[edgy tree]

His hat could have something resembling a water drop on top

[civic lynx]

I think they just wanted a smaller, cuter design

[dry pebble]

Why would Brig built a jetpack for a cat she just found instead of her own

[edgy tree]

some decals that look like a shell on the back

[shrewd pivot]

Agreed. Kappa Yōkai member had the same set up too, a hat like shell lol.

[dry pebble]

That's why it is Industry plant

[civic lynx]

The original jetpack cat looks more like brig’s fat ass one

[wooden drift]

We'll get her backstory, just wait

[civic lynx]

But the jetpack is way more exaggerated

[edgy tree]

He just had a shell on his back

and a basic hood

[dry pebble]

It is literally stated

[wooden drift]

It looks more anthropomorphic too

[wooden drift]

We only got basic rundown

[wise grotto]

That was early Hammond concepts

[dry pebble]

There's not even much of a lore for it

[wooden drift]

Not the full backstory

[edgy tree]

though his body was green and his face wasn't that of a standard Omnic

[shrewd pivot]

Mizuki holsters the hat on the back too. It's a similar vibe. The Kappa Yōkai member could have had an actual shell, for example.

[dry pebble]

Also im quite fond of the one in right

[civic lynx]

It does look cute 😭

[dry pebble]

Where it lays down

[wise grotto]

Ah yes the quick rundowns when were told we’ll get full backstory’s in the future where definitely the full backstory’s (despite them actively telling us that the full backstory’s will come through for all of them)

[civic lynx]

I wonder if they’d make it sit up straight for an ult

[edgy tree]

It wasn't a hat for the omnic

[civic lynx]

Or if it’s low HP

[edgy tree]

just a glowing blue shell attached to the back

[wise grotto]

Honestly I wanna see a yokai member o hope the season 3 dude is one

[dry pebble]

You would be right if this was a different hero from the rove

[edgy tree]

Mizuki is one

[civic lynx]

I think S3 is believed to be another hashimoto member

[dry pebble]

But you are telling this for Jetpack cat

[wise grotto]

They actively stated it for all of the heroes regardless
More backstory is objectively coming

[edgy tree]

He's a Kappa inspired hero that just had a mask that resembles their face

[wise grotto]

Mizuki is a double agent for hashimoto

[civic lynx]

Mizuki will switch sides to OW at some point this year

[dry pebble]

Still random ass cat

[wise grotto]

I want a from the get go yokai member

[edgy tree]

still a Yokai member that WILL leave Hashimoto

[wooden drift]

You're just assuming, man..

[shrewd pivot]

Right! My point is that Mizuki seems to have been inspired by the Kappa "removable" hat shell look. Mizuki is a Kappa theme and holsters the hat on the back in the same way Kappa yōkai does. It's not 1 to 1 ofc, I agree.

[wise grotto]

I wasn’t arguing that I was saying telling someone literally nothing else is coming is just objectively wrong

[edgy tree]

shown in the main menu art that he's on Ow side

[dry pebble]

It is random due the fact looking cuter and marketable than Brig's cat

[wooden drift]

Or maybe brig's cat is just normal cat

[dry pebble]

You can give literally any cat a jetpack

[edgy tree]

doesn't a kappa just have a shell attached to their body

or are there diffrent kinds of Kappas

[dry pebble]

At least let it be someone that makes sense to have one in lore

[wooden drift]

You can, but I don't think it'll be able to use it

[weary quarry]

I cant believe a random cat with a jetpack saved ow

[shrewd pivot]

There does seem to be hints that her intelligence has more lore to it, so I would say have hope until her lore releases, then we can properly say "L, just a regular cat" if she is one haha

[dry pebble]

Naturally

[wooden drift]

Nuh, lots of things did tbh

[dry pebble]

Hammond 2 ahh lore

[wise grotto]

You mean Hammond partially being Winston 2 if we’re making those comparisons for no good reason

[weary quarry]

Okok, 6v6 actually saved ow

[edgy tree]

Though I feel like Mizukis hat should've had a sort of fake water drop on top Their source of power

[shrewd pivot]

A Kappa has a turtle shell(full body) not just an accessory of one, Mizuki and Yōkai Kappa both have an accessory of a shell.

[dry pebble]

It was literally one of major things that happen to increase reputition

[wooden drift]

We had 6v6 for a year already

[dry pebble]

The update wouldnt be this talked of if Cat wasnt released

[weary quarry]

Yeah and it was the best change in ow2

[wise grotto]

No the biggest thing talked about I’ve seen from people outside of Overwatch is the 2 being gone and the big lore focus

[wooden drift]

Eh, I don't care about 6v6

[weary quarry]

Fair

[wooden drift]

I like being solo tank

[wise grotto]

Those two are the actual big vastly important things
Only the already sticking with ow players care about the cat

[dry pebble]

Oh yeah the things people heavily criticise

[edgy tree]

u like being hit by all the cc in the world?

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah ngl with the ghost sickle weapon and conical hat that is part see through, I was wondering why they went with a Japanese Kappa character and not a Korean vampire character (reaper has a Korean vampire skin).

[weary quarry]

Idm solo tanking in 6v6, i prefer the flow of the game

[dry pebble]

I despise Cat's ability to hook enemies btw

Like its going to be far more annoying then Ana's putting sleep

[edgy tree]

They wanted to include him with the Yokai all of a sudden so they slapped on a Mask wrote KAPPA on his clothes and called it a day ig

[wooden drift]

The last comic is pretty good, I dunno whats your problem there

[pearl halo]

I think

[weary quarry]

cat is core

[dry pebble]

Majority of the OW maps has cliffs

[pearl halo]

The junker town representative will be ball

[wooden drift]

It setups lots of things to bee excited for in the future

[pearl halo]

Would make sense, alot of sense

[wise grotto]

Or Queen

Either one

[dry pebble]

Does my messages considers i have any problem with it

[wise grotto]

Champion of the arena or champion of junkertown

[dry pebble]

I was talking of what peoplel thinks

[pearl halo]

Queen wont move to talon, she has a country to reign on

[wooden drift]

Just shoot her

[wise grotto]

Your messages read incredibly negative most of the time

[wooden drift]

You were kinda complaining in the past

[wise grotto]

Like I mentioned the two things people outside of ow are the most talkative and positive over in the changes and you immediately just brought up the negative side of it

[dry pebble]

Past doesn't dictate what im telling now the things i have spoken in past was different things

[azure flint]

anran interactions dropped

kewl

[dry pebble]

Maybe it because people have different perspectives over changements and not everyone views the world same as you do

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah if JPC can hook ulting cass, ulting soldier, or dva bomb, it's going to be so op. Also, if she can hook roadhog, then roadhog can hook enemies off the map. If JPC can hook ulting Mauga, mauga can trap the entire enemy team and JPC drops them off the map, op team wipe. JPC + Mercy will be extremely obnoxious to fight against, and force a hitscan meta bc you can't hit JPC with melee or projectiles easily if she always flies.

[wooden drift]

Anran personality is so freaking boring. At least wuyang had something...

[dry pebble]

To be fair Wuyang also barely had anything with him going

[pearl halo]

Cant hook dva bomb cuz hook has to be "accepted" by the teammate

But could initiate smth yea

[dry pebble]

They werent expanded upon yet and they add his sister before anything

[wooden drift]

He at least feels like character

[pearl halo]

Anran lowk juno copy

Just dps and fire

Retconned into being the younger sister lmao

[wooden drift]

Juno has personality too

[dry pebble]

Anran's ingame model looks nothing near interesting her cinematic

[dry pebble]

I thought Ow was planning them to be pre hanzo and genji like characters

[wooden drift]

Her skin from cinematic would fix her for me at least

[pearl halo]

For 99% of people ngl

[wooden drift]

Design wise

[dry pebble]

Similar to how Gravity falls accomplished with Stan and Ford with Mabel and Dipper

[wooden drift]

I dunno why the made different design

[pearl halo]

Anran's design all around is good, but her face is...

[civic lynx]

A skin of her cinematic costume would lowkey still be weird bc of how different her face is

She resembles Juno’s face in game compared to her cinematic where she looked unique

[pearl halo]

The wha?

Whats gravity falls doing in ow talk lmao

[dry pebble]

What

[shrewd pivot]

Kinda sad that her interactions are: hey bro get over me bullying you. Ugh traditional culture made me anxious. Man I would love to be an only child.

Even if its joking it kinda sucks that Wuyang is living in her shadow and that two supposedly traditional Chinese characters(it's bastardized wuxing) hate thier traditional culture. Like Mei makes sense for being against Lucheng but why are Wuyang and Anran from a toxic conditional love community with bad rep of wuxia. I can't imagine players will find it relatable or positive to see. Symmetra actually enjoyed kathak dances, her culture, even with a strict upbringing.

[wooden drift]

He compared the two

[edgy tree]

Aww she's a shy fan of Lucio

[dry pebble]

🤦‍♀️ i gave them as example

Read what i said

[pearl halo]

I didnt get the example

[dry pebble]

Did you know

[edgy tree]

actually saw a clip where the cat just Joinked the bomb

[edgy tree]

Juno skin fr

[weary quarry]

Not every one has seen gravity falls

[pearl halo]

Ive seen it, just the comparison doesnt make sense

[wooden drift]

At least Lucio has new voice lines after years

[weary quarry]

Oh

[azure flint]

i have a feeling anran will be the least liked hero in the future non-gameplay wise

[pearl halo]

☠️ may be kinda op

[shrewd pivot]

I get what you mean. Like two younger siblings representing a "good end" compared to an older siblings dynamic that was more so "bad end"

[edgy tree]

IS op

[wooden drift]

He finally has something else than that question about favourite animal

[dry pebble]

What do i have to do with that

[pearl halo]

Hitscan exist

[edgy tree]

You think u avoided the bomb? nope it's on express delivery to your location

[weary quarry]

Gameplay or personality wise?

[wooden drift]

She's definitely the most boring out of the bunch

[dry pebble]

☝️ comprehend what opposing part trying to describe

[azure flint]

personality

[dry pebble]

Thank you Violet

[weary quarry]

Who said you had anything?

[edgy tree]

She can fly far enough up to get in falloff range

[weary quarry]

Yeah lol

[azure flint]

edited my msg

[pearl halo]

Then gets hit by fall off too, and cat fall off hits her hard from what i saw

[weary quarry]

Shes kiriko 2.0

[pearl halo]

Industry plant

[edgy tree]

she can't shoot while grappling someone

[azure flint]

overshadowed by wuyang

[weary quarry]

😭

[edgy tree]

yeah no other reason for them to just make her look like the younger child all of a sudden

[wooden drift]

Wuyang just kinda tries to be like baptiste, but without his charm

[pearl halo]

He's a college kid tbf, no college kid has bap's rizz

[wooden drift]

Trueee

[weary quarry]

Ywah, im kinda weirded out by her face change

[edgy tree]

not just u

[pearl halo]

Everyone

[edgy tree]

a lotta people mad bout it

[weary quarry]

Goid, maybe theyll edit it

[pearl halo]

Like wdum she's suddenly 15

[weary quarry]

Yeah, like eww

[civic lynx]

I doubt it sadly

[pearl halo]

They edited a hanzo skin once,after bullying, they will edit this one too after even more bullying

[weary quarry]

🥀

[civic lynx]

They probably already have a year’s worth of skins ready to go with her current facial model

They’re not gonna change it now and have to edit all them skins

[pearl halo]

They'll just change the faces ggez

[wooden drift]

I think making different face wouldn't really break anything

[civic lynx]

This company is the final boss of laziness when it comes to skins they can barely even put effort into legendaries for their cash cows they ain’t going through all the time to edit her skins

[pearl halo]

Im no gamedev, but ik overwatch isnt spaghetti coded

So will be ez change

[azure flint]

emre is former ow turned winter soldier-esque
mizuki is a new hashimoto which is a good opportunity to flesh them out
domina is a new vishkar and is a big part of vendetta's plan
jetpack cat is well jetpack cat

[shrewd pivot]

Turk 🤝 Greek
Got eachothers back when others rib us, only WE get to rib eachother
Lmafo

Joking aside though I agree with you, I was hoping Anran and Wuyang would be a healthy positive siblings dynamic to foil Hanzo and Genji

[azure flint]

anran is nowhere near as cool as the others

[civic lynx]

Anran if I had to guess will become a major frontline fighter for OW

[pearl halo]

Mizuki WILL be ow

[wooden drift]

Jetpack cat is the most important part

[civic lynx]

But we’ve just not seen it yet bc she only joined ow recently

[dry pebble]

Where did you learn i am Turk

[azure flint]

yeah time will js have to tell

[edgy tree]

Mizuki gonna leave Hashimoto btw

[azure flint]

alyx didn't you make a prediction image of how they'll fit 6 seasons into this year

[dry pebble]

Isn't it weird for Emre to be looking too young considering the fact he was among in same photo with Ana's prime time

[edgy tree]

He has an Overwatch skin in the season 1 main menu

[pearl halo]

Nanomachines son

[wooden drift]

I dunno, he doesn't looks too young to me

[edgy tree]

He does have a concerning amount of pipes going inside his body

[azure flint]

the conspiracy probably ages him slower

idk

[edgy tree]

Whatever they did to him propably slowing his aging

[dry pebble]

Yeah but for some reason those pipes didn't stopped hair growth

[pearl halo]

He does have a whole 2nd body altering clanker personality too

[civic lynx]

This is roughly what it would be if they keep the same 2 month ish pattern

[dry pebble]

I really like the fact he is under the control of a faction that new teased now

[pearl halo]

We dont know when he got clankered

So maybe he grew hair between that

[azure flint]

i honestly don't get the whole "everyone looks so young" thing like i'm sure they could make older looking heroes but also they could just use the cover story of "its the 2070s and advancements in medical technology have made people look younger/live longer"

[weary quarry]

Emre tied to the eye faction that Venture has seen

[iron vigil]

i think ngl, that they just made him young to make profit

[dry pebble]

It became too easy for him to join Talon tho

[weary quarry]

Ancient tech

[shrewd pivot]

Something I am really sad about, is that Auyang and Anran didn't have an inkpen(i thought Wuyang's staff was inkpen, brilliant idea for water hero to be inkbased) and fan brush motif(like the ribbon fans used in Chinese dances) bc the idea of Wuyang "writing his own destiny(writing his OWN wuxia story" and Anran "painting a brighter future(pheonix)" while referencing Chinese art and the whole "cultivation genre"'s trope about actually studying texts, art, caligraphy etc. It would have been very poetic.

[dry pebble]

I really think this is the reason

[azure flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

[iron vigil]

i mean they made a joke post about how hit he is

[civic lynx]

The spotlight roadmap stops at August

So S5 and 6 are still a mystery

[iron vigil]

but like all the new character's are hot, so despite lore or a reason behind it, i can't write that off as them trying to do that

[pearl halo]

He's a gun for hire that got hired by talon js like freya

[dry pebble]

I thought he was gonna be lone wolf in lore working for a secret faction and some of our hero gonna be catching eye on him

[pearl halo]

Ofc he is with them for now

[civic lynx]

They’ve been doin this since OW1 tbh

[dry pebble]

Easily can be countered as bait

[edgy tree]

Could be that they held him for a LONG time before the whole.... thing that's going on with him rn

[iron vigil]

i mean every hero so far is young and attractive besides venture for some people

[civic lynx]

A lot of ow1 heroes are in their 30’s or 40’s and look younger

Sigma, soldier and Ana are the clear oldest heroes and have visible aging

[dry pebble]

Gun for hire? He is arleady under the work of someone else

[edgy tree]

hard to say he "joined"

[azure flint]

old looking heroes look old because they are

[dry pebble]

Reinhardt too

[azure flint]

[pearl halo]

Rein

[civic lynx]

Has a helmet most of the time but yeah

[pearl halo]

Not in ow 2

[iron vigil]

yeah i mean they had an opportunity to make one an omnic and we just got another asian guy

[dry pebble]

Emre would look old if Jeff Kaplan was in charge

[shrewd pivot]

You had said you were 'a Turk' previously!
If I was being really funny, I would say instead I as a Romani Greek I can just tell lmafo, /j ofc.

[iron vigil]

a kpop pretty boy

[pearl halo]

Most of the old looking ones are past 60 tbf

So 60 is the ow old

[edgy tree]

Hell they already had a design for him

[dry pebble]

I miss Jeff since then

[wooden drift]

Dude, Jeff almost killed the game with ow2

[azure flint]

true

[edgy tree]

would be less work for the Omnic Yokai to be in-game than Mizuki

[dry pebble]

I'm talking about designs bruh

[iron vigil]

they need their money tho from the gooners

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I expected Emre to be way more lone wolf too

[wise grotto]

Jeff was a game director not a character designer

[azure flint]

i don't take all the outsiders shitting on ow rn seriously cuz it's clear they either haven't played ow2 or just haven't played since 2023

[dry pebble]

I would rather to have actually good designed characters instead of goonbaits

[wooden drift]

Even under Jeff there were lots of attractive characters

[edgy tree]

Could be that The conspiracy sent him there to spy on whatever Vendetta is doing

[iron vigil]

i mainly miss the original writer of the game

[edgy tree]

now that Doom is gone (not dead just not in charge)

[pearl halo]

One doesnt exclude the other

[wise grotto]

The decisions he had major impact on was not how characters looked

[pearl halo]

You can have really good designed "goonbait" as you sah

Or really bad not goonbait

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah true! Hm I wonder if Vendetta knows about the eye conspiracy

[pearl halo]

No character (except anran) is goonbait imho

[edgy tree]

Ekhm Concord

[iron vigil]

but everything so far has been goonbait

[dry pebble]

Are you fr

[wooden drift]

Not really, only selective few know about it. Like sombra and soldier

[pearl halo]

Yeah bro, thankfully i dont see the world with my bottom parts

[edgy tree]

Emre is a muscular guy wearing what's essentially a skintight suit

[dry pebble]

Why would any of them needed to be goonbait

[pearl halo]

Frfr

[wooden drift]

Ngl concords designs wouldn't been that bad, if it didn't had realistic art style

[shrewd pivot]

Agreed. Widowmaker's sex appeal was a campy femme fatale trope.

Freja's bare thighs are ooc fanservice bc if ashe, ana, mei can wear normal clothes Freja can too, and Anran's base design is too skimpy to take seriously and boarders on orientalist, it's ooc fanservice.

[edgy tree]

Colour theory was also thrown in the trash

[iron vigil]

we're apparently not looking at all the wildness going on twitter and instagram over domina

[pearl halo]

Just like weaver, wuyand and haz

[dry pebble]

Would wish you could at least see instead of being a dickhead

[pearl halo]

Lowk forgot abt domina, but yeah any woman is gonna have simps thats to be expected

[edgy tree]

and all of them were bait as well yeah

[wooden drift]

Ye, the game's concept arts actually looked pretty good

[wise grotto]

I don’t understand the point of looking at “goonbait” csuse like
What does that actually mean
What makes a character objectively that csuse that sounds like a thing that depends on the person

But also goonbait isn’t even an ow2 thing it’s just a thing Overwatch is known for as a series from the original launch till now

[pearl halo]

Broda insulting cuz he got nothin to say 😭

[pearl halo]

W

[wooden drift]

Well her archetype is literally evil ceo woman. Which usually oversexualised

[pearl halo]

Bump

[iron vigil]

yeah but her design just caters to it highly. I mean she's legit jus emma frost

[iron vigil]

true also

[edgy tree]

I'd say their designs are tame compared to what Rivals is doing lol

[gaunt frost]

Characters simply aren't allowed to be attractive anymore my friend, just the way it is

[dry pebble]

Bro telling me that he doesn't view world with bottom parts after saying Anran being a goonbait

[pearl halo]

Tamer than emma still

[wise grotto]

Like being overly hostile about it just feels kinda like you’d rather not want anyone to have a different opinion

[iron vigil]

yeah rivals is fr all out there

[shrewd pivot]

Emma frost attitude and CEO regality + tf2 administrator vibes + legit named Domina(trix)

It's obvious bait but atleast she's a fun personality to see interact with others.

[pearl halo]

Yeah alright bro the door it over there, js take it

[wooden drift]

Hate what they did with Emma in rivals. She doesn't look like the same character

[iron vigil]

she is but i can't not call out overwatch for doing it when everyone's main argument most the time for shaming rivals was the goonbaiting

[edgy tree]

I had the same idea lol

[dry pebble]

But this mf too down to comprehend anything what can i say

[pearl halo]

No character is the same tbf, its all multiverse shi

[edgy tree]

They did NOT want to hide that

[iron vigil]

it's clear that it's going further into that path for overwatch

[weary quarry]

Domina has a coolness to her too

[wooden drift]

And people be calling this game comic accurate

[wise grotto]

Her visual design also does lean really well into her purpose being a intimidating opposing figure
Regardless of the view on how much or little a person wants to focus on sexualizing her

[weary quarry]

Anran doesnt

[dry pebble]

You can shove it up your arse if you cant stand it

[pearl halo]

No one is?

[shrewd pivot]

She does! I like her personality a lot

[wooden drift]

Nuh, people do

[wise grotto]

I’m ace and it all looks like a intentional design choice too to bottom on domina

[pearl halo]

You dont need to use insults to prove your point man, just makes you look pathetic

[weary quarry]

Yeah same

[shrewd pivot]

Woah ok lets chill with insults please, keep it civil

[dry pebble]

Arent you the one who started it

[edgy tree]

There's a few characters that are tbh

[dry pebble]

Do not blame it on me

[edgy tree]

Esp someone like Deadpool

[pearl halo]

I never used an insult?

[fierce moon]

oh my god bruh one sexy character design compared to 300 of the most goonbait skins imaginable

[wooden drift]

Emma is not one of them. Or Peni

[dry pebble]

Quit provoking shit bruhh

[iron vigil]

one?

[dry pebble]

You are insufferable.

[wise grotto]

No you started an actual insult by calling them a dickhead the first time instead of discussing

[pearl halo]

Think only reed is comic accurate

[wooden drift]

Only cuz Deadpool is popular to change him like that

[weary quarry]

Bruh

[fierce moon]

widow and domina sure you can have two

[dry pebble]

Read what they told about my message

[pearl halo]

Now im the bad one 😭 projecting lmao

[wise grotto]

They was your first reaction to them makinf a point they personally thought

[iron vigil]

i said the character's so far

[edgy tree]

his entire thing is breaking the 4th wall tbh

[shrewd pivot]

You did say "the door is over there man" so it's egging on things by being disrespectful

Let's just back it up and have a nice convo :) no harm done for either side

[edgy tree]

u can't exactly change it without killing Deadpool

[wise grotto]

Yea and you could have literally just responded.Normally with the reason you disagreed instead of responding with an insult

[iron vigil]

hazard was def goonbait for women

i'm not just talking about the females

[fierce moon]

LMFAO you're braindead nvm

[edgy tree]

Mauga is right there

[iron vigil]

that's who i'm talking about also

[pearl halo]

Js leave it at that, no need to go further in, they're blocked and its over

[dry pebble]

He also told me i don't view the things with my bottom which comes to meaning of stating i do

[wooden drift]

Not at first, first character to do that was she-hulk. Deadpool was more a copy of deathstroke from dc

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah he was sanitized to be more genetic fanservicey imo

[iron vigil]

i'm sorry, is he not?

[edgy tree]

I didn't say he was the first one to do it

doing that is his personality

[iron vigil]

he was originally going to have an animalistic design and they made him a punk tongue out hot white guy

[pearl halo]

Said it after being called a dickhead tho, also not an insult, but who cares atp

[dry pebble]

It is previously stated that you actively targetting me in this situations instead of judging by what its been told,

[wise grotto]

So your response to something that could be interpreted badlt was to guarantee the worst interpretation

[wooden drift]

He's va is good at least

[iron vigil]

i agree with that, i do enjoy hearing his voice in game

[pearl halo]

Scottish tho 😔 and he climbs walls somehow

[edgy tree]

Scotland forever

[dry pebble]

Next time i will be more careful about insulting someone roundaboutly like this guy instead of directly telling them what they are

[wooden drift]

I like his lore and personality, but design could've been so much better

[wise grotto]

Half the time I’ve had discussions here or said stuff you’ve showed up just to add as many negatives to it without caring about the positives from my side of view on it

You interpreted a message as an actual insult without knowing and responded with a forward insult to them

[edgy tree]

yeah he's a part of a group that's heavy into body mods and he doesn't really look that wild

[pearl halo]

Bump

[dry pebble]

Why someone's having negative criticism over a game features is a problem to you

[edgy tree]

He straight up said there's a guy who could make Torbs head into a turret there

[dry pebble]

I'm not in a position to like everything that presented to me

[wise grotto]

The problem is you adding that onto ANY topic it seems like

[dry pebble]

I'm arleady stating what i do like majority of the time

[pearl halo]

He modified himself with the grape juice of rocks 😔

[wooden drift]

Man, hazard is so rarely played that I never heard it

[weary quarry]

So what do you like?

[edgy tree]

That wasn't brought up ever again

[pearl halo]

Fr? I see him every 2 games, i hate it cuz he takes 0 damage most of the time

[edgy tree]

even though Moira was working on that

[iron vigil]

yeah i get hazard's here and there myself but most the time i don't have a torb on my team when he's my tank

[pearl halo]

I hope they'll build up on that more

[wise grotto]

Every time I’ve mentioned it talked about what I’ve liked about something you didn’t you act as dismissive of t he positives just to repeat why it’s actually just had period and then interpret messages as saying extra stuff and then get mad and tell the person to read there own messages when they would know what they typed and meant

[dry pebble]

The "any topic" in question is literally were all about character designs and lore

[wooden drift]

Probably in the future

As they really focused on the lore

Wouldn't be surprising if phreaks would be part of the story later

[wise grotto]

Sorry my word wasn’t typed to leave as little room for the other person to figure out that the only topics applicable would probably be ones regarding the chat it took place in

Is it just safer to assume if a single gap for interpretation is left in a message i might as well not type it

[weary quarry]

I hope the phreaks stay in their own faction at least

[pearl halo]

@wise grotto @dry pebble lets just let it go cuz im lowk pretty sure ive seen you 2 at each others throats yesterday too

[weary quarry]

Since theyre punks

[dry pebble]

Wasn't that was you who repetetive ly put in the same responses that was unrelated with the question i asked you

[wooden drift]

Ye, I hope they're not joining any forces with anybody

[dry pebble]

Why would we be in each others throat bruh

[wooden drift]

Cuz y'all arguing with eachother

[pearl halo]

This gotta be ragebait

[dry pebble]

This is a discussion channel

[pearl halo]

!!loreonly

[dry pebble]

Look the one who saying that

[pearl halo]

@weary quarry do loreonly pls

Or rythm

Cant im not regular

[weary quarry]

!!loreonly

[minor sapphire]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[dry pebble]

This mf were criticising character design minutes ago

[pearl halo]

Thx

[pearl halo]

Anyways yea ngl i think they'll have a close tie to ow but not be fully part of them cuz they're trouble makers

So will most likely help them defeat the big evil (talon)

But still be free to do whatever they do

[dry pebble]

What does this message supposed to mean words are incredibly mixed

[shrewd pivot]

Okay can I say objectively Excal was insulted, reasonably. "Are you fr" "Yeah bro, thankfully i dont see the world with my bottom parts"

There was a miscommunication, seemingly. People here have not done well to help to de-escalate.
Let's all be kinder.

And let's talk about lore

[wooden drift]

Ye, I like new lore

[pearl halo]

I need new lore

[shrewd pivot]

I am hype for Mauga in junkertown

[wooden drift]

More junkertown is good

[pearl halo]

Ngl im 99% sure he will fail, but recruit hog and junk somehow

[iron vigil]

i'm waiting to see more before i can say i like it myself

[pearl halo]

Like the 2 cartoon villains they are

[dry pebble]

That would suck

[wooden drift]

NO WAY they hiring junkrat

[pearl halo]

He's insanely smart

[wooden drift]

He explodes shit for no reason

[pearl halo]

Would help alot

[iron vigil]

he'd blow the whole building up 😭

[dry pebble]

I don't think he is that smart

[pearl halo]

Doesnt moira literally kill herself for no reason ☠️

[dry pebble]

His mindset is mix of random shit

Paradox thing is one of those

[wooden drift]

She does experiments. Sometimes on herself

She still useful

[pearl halo]

He's like top 2 smartest iirc

[dry pebble]

Where does it stated

[wooden drift]

And I don't think roadhog would be working under talon

He just not this guy

[dry pebble]

No way when there's Sigma and Moira

[pearl halo]

He would just follow junk everywhere

[pearl halo]

Top 3 if you want, but he is insanely smart

[wooden drift]

He follows him cuz they have a deal

[pearl halo]

Just uses his smartness for dumb stuff

Like bombs

[iron vigil]

he is but he's too braindead atm

[rare trail]

idk abt top 3 smartest

[dry pebble]

He won't be getting in top 5

[rare trail]

most overwatch characters are smart

[dry pebble]

Probaply

He is too off the nuckle

[pearl halo]

Winton ball up there too

Mercy too

[iron vigil]

lw

[shrewd pivot]

Imo Either Vendetta wants the junkers to recruit as forces(JQ leading junkers), OR Vendetta wants resources from junkers (radiation power, hogdrogen, omnium parts, etc)

Grand Mesa might hold and omnium core? Or a big weapon?, while Junkers holds power and parts to build that core. Vendetta already has the Colosseo gladiators so idk if she would recruit the junkers or just use them for resources, or a distraction like how Ashe/deadlock is a distraction.

[rare trail]

winston ball mercy mei torbjorn sigma lw symmetra

vendetta doom

[wooden drift]

Eh, there's much smarter characters than him. He's just good with explosions and making bombs

[iron vigil]

sym

[rare trail]

but like different kinds ofd intelligence

engineering wise torbjorn is probably the most advanced

ig like zen or ram or orisa but like thast cheating

[pearl halo]

He understands what sig talks abt, thats some smart stuff if you axe me

[wooden drift]

But in game interactions aren't canon. Canonically they haven't even met

[pearl halo]

I fell in the trap myself 😔

[iron vigil]

you could say orisa but more like efi

[pearl halo]

Oh yea forgot that efi made orisa

[iron vigil]

still wondering if they'll ever add efi as a hero to the game

[rare trail]

shes 13 bruh

[pearl halo]

If we talk abt that the dude that made echo probably the best

[rare trail]

they aint adding a human under 18 for ratings reasons

[wooden drift]

They ain't adding child characters into the game

That's why they aged up dva

[rare trail]

they didnt age up dva thats an age old myth

[wooden drift]

Huh?

[pearl halo]

Dva was 18 ow 1 iirc

[rare trail]

theres no evidence she was originally 16

[pearl halo]

21 ow 2

[wooden drift]

Damn

[pearl halo]

Not sure abt numbers

But always been adult

[iron vigil]

alr fair, i didn't think about it that way. I'm just thinking hey it would be cool to see a smart kid character in the game since i know like league has em?

[rare trail]

tons of people say that, but no source ever had her at 16

it was 19 to 21 iirc

[wooden drift]

Nuh ow2 happens a year after ow1, if I remember correctly

[rare trail]

2 years iig

iirc

i think she went 19->21

[wooden drift]

Darn it wrong again

[pearl halo]

We all wrong sometimes

Im wrong most of the time ow wise lmao

Im so lost 😭

I js know my goat rein isnt washed and he will solo vendetta

[iron vigil]

it's been so long that it gets hard to remember everything so dw

[wooden drift]

Feels bad to be sure about something, but actually being wrong

[wooden drift]

Hammer down her

[pearl halo]

Its alright, happens to all of us

[shrewd pivot]

2 years.

I have made an overwatch timeline, and due to some inferences(not hard canon stating a year, but how birthdays line up) my educated guess is that ow1 is 2077 and ow2 is 2079

[pearl halo]

Solo ulting her instead of mercy became a habit ngl

[civic lynx]

Yeah all heroes (minus orisa) aged 2 years for OW2

It was a 2 year time jump for OW2’s lore

[pearl halo]

Wdum minus orisa ☠️

[wooden drift]

Orisa is super young

[civic lynx]

Orisa for some reason is still 1

Even tho she should be 2

[pearl halo]

Wasnt she 4 now?

[shrewd pivot]

Orisa was 1 in ow1, still 1 in ow2

[pearl halo]

Crazy lmao

Ig clankers dont age

[rare trail]

she was created in between ow1 and ow2

in lore

[wooden drift]

They gonna celebrate her birthday in lore, it would be really important

[pearl halo]

She's in numbani rn, so either ow goes there or nothin happens

Ig effie is there for her lmao

[civic lynx]

I think efi is in watchpoint Gibraltar in the Christmas comic

And orisa is with her

[wooden drift]

Man, a shame they haven't made Christmas comic like last time

[shrewd pivot]

My guess is that her being rebuilt counts as a new birthday? There was like a point when orisa was shut down for a bit.

Zenyatta is 33 and Ramattra is 28 despite all omnics only awakening 26ish years ago. So Orisa being 1 might be a built date

[civic lynx]

Efi’s probably gone back home now

[wooden drift]

It was cute

[civic lynx]

And orisa may be there or may not be there for vendetta’s attack

[pearl halo]

Thesys boat all over again

[shrewd pivot]

P much, yeah

[wooden drift]

The horse never loses

[pearl halo]

The horse hates tracer, but i have no proof

[shrewd pivot]

Year of the horse LFGGG ORISAAAA /j

[civic lynx]

She packed up doom but idk how she’ll do against vendetta

[wooden drift]

She'll pack her up too

[pearl halo]

Wait, doom stole the fist from numbani right

[dry pebble]

I forgot to respond this but OW's model design is so good

[civic lynx]

Yes it was originally the payload on numbani

Then it got smashed and the gauntlet vanished to tease him being added to the game

[pearl halo]

So basically he stole smth really important only to lose it with his arm lmao

[shrewd pivot]

Overwatch art style, and campy subversions/refs are very very fun. Omnic lore too!

[dry pebble]

The way they model hair with shapes is a really authentic thing it makes even the less good designed character be looking awesome

[pearl halo]

Its back now but ig its not canon

[civic lynx]

They plan to update the models this year to have even more detailed hair and effects

[weary quarry]

Blizz is top tier yeah

[dry pebble]

No because im someone who criticised Emre's design alot heck i think he looks so good in game

[wooden drift]

Nuh, there's no doomfist. Just some random bs in it's place

[weary quarry]

Their animations mid game are great too

So much personality

[civic lynx]

Maps will update as soon as next season to have better lighting

[dry pebble]

Ehh.. i just find the fact for being an old member and not having an unique gameplay is what kinda breaks me

I expected something, what do you say

More fresh i guess

[dry pebble]

Like Hammond

[weary quarry]

I love the mix of goofiness and seriousmess ow has

Unlike.mcu or something

[dry pebble]

But to be fair Emre is also so good in concept its an corrupted soldier now

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah def, I wish his face was modeled a little differently but I love that all the characters have fun shape use

Like the fact Junkrat is big shape use but still fits into overwatch is so fun

[shrewd pivot]

Same! That's called "camp/campyness"

[wooden drift]

Mcu sometimes butchers stuff tbh in the movies

[dry pebble]

Roadhog 🔥

[weary quarry]

Yes lol

[weary quarry]

Oh for sure

[dry pebble]

I play both rivals and ow and i don't think rivals gonna manage to pull out this authentic look for art style

[iron vigil]

yeah it is, overwatch inspired a lot of my artwork as a kid. Made a ton of overwatch fanart back

[wooden drift]

Like in the past making their villains some big grey blob

That's not really fun

[iron vigil]

their character design was honestly what i found most inspiring then

[dry pebble]

Overwatch is one of the reasons of my interest towards robots and cyberpunk

[pearl halo]

Recognisable silhouette as they say

[shrewd pivot]

When do I get to reply to comments with emoji sniffl. 💯

But yeah I love that roadhog exists as a character too

[civic lynx]

I’m usually not a fan of cartoony art styles but OW is the exception

[dry pebble]

My favorite thing about Overwatch is that their usage of cyberpunk aesthetic doesnt make them cheap compared to different games

[weary quarry]

Just post consistently for a week.or 2

[dry pebble]

TF2 too

[civic lynx]

TF2 is a bit too goofy for me

[iron vigil]

exactly, it's so varied in style

[civic lynx]

I’m a fan of realism outside of OW

[dry pebble]

Honestly cartoony art style is good Clash Royale is also using that

[pearl halo]

Collect 3k messages in short time

[wooden drift]

Shame that TF2 show got canned

It could've been great

[dry pebble]

I don't think there's nothing wrong with cartoony art style

[iron vigil]

shame that we never got that overwatch show also

[pearl halo]

Ngl im opposite, but i get ya

[shrewd pivot]

I type 3k word messages instead 🥀

Ah well.

But yeah lore def has me hyped

[dry pebble]

PVE =

[elfin bane]

oh interesting the new stroytime confirms widow deflected from vendettas talon

[wooden drift]

Netflix fault

[elfin bane]

do you guys think her lack of medicine will maybe let overwatch rescue her

[dry pebble]

If OW PVE was real as the developers intend it to be it would be better than TF2's btw

[wooden drift]

Pve mode was flawed fromm the begining

[iron vigil]

i know, it stills hurts we didn't get it 😭

[civic lynx]

I think they might do

[elfin bane]

it’d be really cool to see

[wooden drift]

It should've been spin-off

[civic lynx]

Sombra will probably head to OW to get help for sigma

She could take widow as well if she wanted

[pearl halo]

Also is it just me or are there 2 new sniper heroes in the new ones

[wooden drift]

By different team of developers

[elfin bane]

oh true

[dry pebble]

TF2 PVE = playables but they are against you and multiplied

[pearl halo]

The one on the left and one on the right

[elfin bane]

and sombra might share her info on the conspiracy and now emre

[pearl halo]

I think widow and reyes will go look for doom ngl

[civic lynx]

Right looks like some sort of goo launcher from Fortnite 😭

[pearl halo]

Somra will go her own way tho

Probably ow as you said

[civic lynx]

This skinny waisted diva probably is a sniper

[dry pebble]

I would like Emre alot if his face wasnt this clean to begin with

[elfin bane]

i’m honestly so exited the stories making big steps

[wooden drift]

And maybe omnic too

[pearl halo]

Looks like a schythe in its hand sadly

[shrewd pivot]

Please be an omnic 🙏

[pearl halo]

But hopefully sniper

[civic lynx]

Idk if they are an omnic ngl

[elfin bane]

REAL

[shrewd pivot]

Agreed

[pearl halo]

Will 99% be one, unreal waist ngl

[wooden drift]

The waist is too weird to be human

[dry pebble]

If they are gonna go with 5 to 5 hero thing as a complete team than that's probaply a DPS

[elfin bane]

look at her feet too

she’s totally a robot

[civic lynx]

The other omnic keeps the dotted eyes thing like what zen and ram have

[elfin bane]

also him

i love him already

[civic lynx]

The sniper one looks like they might be some sort of war machine robot

[iron vigil]

looks like it would be another new talon member ngl

[civic lynx]

Rather than an omnic

[pearl halo]

Detective clanker

[dry pebble]

I hope this guy ends up being Support ıs there will be another Omnic as DPS

[elfin bane]

ohhh yea

i could see it

[civic lynx]

cough cough

[pearl halo]

The one with the huge hair looks kinda weird ngl

Looks like widow

But weird

[azure flint]

omnic detective is genius

[elfin bane]

was thinking that’s lady too

[dry pebble]

If not then this should be a DPS so we can have full Omnic team Ramattra - Tank
Zenyatta - Support
Detective - DPS

[civic lynx]

I think they will be basically a new version of widow and sombra

The drone will be used for scouting

[pearl halo]

Theres already bastion

Which is clanker

[civic lynx]

But it can show teammates the enemy ult charge/ability cooldown status

[pearl halo]

War clanker

[dry pebble]

Bastion isn't their model of omnic

[wooden drift]

Bastion is dps and omnic tho

[dry pebble]

I'm talking about the ones with leds in their head

[azure flint]

we got sova in ow now

[wooden drift]

Oh okay

[dry pebble]

Only Ram and Zen is one of those

[pearl halo]

This has me a bit worried ngl

Cuz is it gonna be a new character

Or just a rework

[wooden drift]

Nuh, rammatra is rover

[pearl halo]

Too weird and powercreep smth smth

[civic lynx]

New but essentially replacing an old one

The same way domina basically replaces sigma

[dry pebble]

Still omnic with led forehead

Similar designs

[pearl halo]

I mean sigma still got his niche kinda

[civic lynx]

The skinny waisted diva if a sniper replaces widow and Ashe

[dry pebble]

Detective is probaply going to be a Marker hero

[civic lynx]

The drone woman replaces widow ult and sombra

[dry pebble]

Marking enemies and stuff

[civic lynx]

Detective idk maybe another Sombra replacement

D.mon replaces rein as a faster moving melee tank

[pearl halo]

The big mech is probably here to replace rein ngl

[civic lynx]

Hashimoto woman idk

Maybe a cass replacement?

Man woman whatever they are

[pearl halo]

He is shown in background of spotlight

[dry pebble]

Mech got leaked arleady btw

[pearl halo]

He got sword and shield

[civic lynx]

Oui

[dry pebble]

It doesn't look D mon

[civic lynx]

It is basically the same thing

[dry pebble]

Look like

[iron vigil]

thought the big mech was just another one of dv's teammates?

[civic lynx]

Just the mech is taller

[iron vigil]

i haven't seen the leaks

[past copper]

Nobody here knows or remembers Soundquake smh

[pearl halo]

Probably, but he's there to replace rein

[dry pebble]

It is probaply a redesign

[civic lynx]

It’s D.mon but redesigned

Same way hazard is a redesign of an OW1 hero

And Freja

[dry pebble]

Looks cooler NGL

[dry pebble]

Which one

[iron vigil]

oohhh okay okay

[dry pebble]

Crazy

[pearl halo]

Oh hell naw not this freak

[past copper]

We're never getting another MEKA member. Get over it. That will obviously bet the Overwatch Agent Soundquake

[dry pebble]

How about this

[azure flint]

that was hazards name before we knew it was hazard btw

[azure flint]

we just called him phreak

[pearl halo]

Instead now his group is the phreaks 😔

[pearl halo]

Cooler design than freja ngl

[dry pebble]

Oh my i wish...

I love Soundquake

[wooden drift]

I dunno, it's kinda too much in my opinion

[dry pebble]

But this concept art looks nothing like Soundquake

[wooden drift]

Not a fan of the colours and armour

[dry pebble]

This looks more akin to soldier than Freja tho

[pearl halo]

Crossbow soldjer

[dry pebble]

Also the human design is definetly cooler

Like its better

Just like Emre actually

[wooden drift]

I don't really hate Freja's current design, it looks nice

[civic lynx]

Soldier already had a design

[pearl halo]

Ngl im just waiting for the game to have 100 characters and be 10v10

[civic lynx]

He was the first OW hero ever made

[pearl halo]

3 tanks 4 dps 3 heals

[wooden drift]

That would be awful

[dry pebble]

I thought it was Tracer and Reaper

[civic lynx]

Soldier was first envisioned as this

[pearl halo]

My prediction is 2045

[civic lynx]

Back in 2012

[dry pebble]

That's probaply what gonna happen btw

[wooden drift]

So american

[dry pebble]

Like its directive of game now

[pearl halo]

Is that a the boys supe ☠️

Grenade launcher wouldve been cool ngl

As an ult or smth

Instead of this weak visor

I hate visor

[civic lynx]

Grenade launchers were tested for many heroes

I know reaper had one originally

[wooden drift]

Reaper supposed to have it

[civic lynx]

Since u can see him use it in the reveal

[wooden drift]

But they went with more basic kits for the heroes

[civic lynx]

He also had a magnum at first

[iron vigil]

they almost pyroed him-

[pearl halo]

Spec ops looks cool af

[iron vigil]

i kinda miss the male mercy design

[civic lynx]

So cool nobody other than blizzard can see them

[wooden drift]

Wow this awful staff design for mercy

Why is it so big

[iron vigil]

it actually looked really good 😭

[civic lynx]

Mercy was originally a warrior

[pearl halo]

Looks like a cross bow

[civic lynx]

This was mercy’s earliest concepts

A more battle angel look

[heavy thistle]

Genji canonically loves Dino nuggets??

[pearl halo]

"Nano me"

[heavy thistle]

[pearl halo]

Yea

[heavy thistle]

that’s why he’s the goat

[pearl halo]

He hungary for more, always

Especially the triceratops

[wooden drift]

Wow, these designs make me kinda prefer what we got

[pearl halo]

Imo they look cool ngl

Especially the moth looking one

[civic lynx]

OW1 was originally much more… detailed

[pearl halo]

Moth meta frfr

[iron vigil]

still wish we could have seen og moira's concept in game somewhere

[civic lynx]

The original idea for OW1 was a more gritty game

Heroes would be darker and more sexual at times

[iron vigil]

maybe as a skin besides her blackwatch outfit kinda looking like it

[civic lynx]

They then decided to change it for a more bright and clean theme

[wooden drift]

I guess it's good that they went into different direction

[pearl halo]

Ngl good idea

Wouldve been apex but sexier otherwise

[pearl halo]

Id rather have the long shot from here ngl

[wooden drift]

Ye these are ass ngl

[pearl halo]

Id rather have the edgy sniper

[wooden drift]

Sexual for the sake of it

[pearl halo]

Rather than the naked blue one

[civic lynx]

They also had what looks like a lot more melee abilities originally

[wooden drift]

Probably they wanted to have characters to have more than one weapon all the time

[civic lynx]

Mama hong’s “manslaughter”, Winston’s “pound” and an unknown hero’s “mutilator” seem like brutal melee attacks

[pearl halo]

Psyblade lowk looks like kiri mythic but less sexual

[wooden drift]

What Kiri skins are sexual?

[pearl halo]

BLIZZARD GIMME MAMA HONG AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[pearl halo]

None imo

[civic lynx]

The only one I can think of is the KIRIKO HAS GRIPPERS incident

[wooden drift]

That was funny tho

[pearl halo]

Oh yea the purple bird one...

[civic lynx]

Other than that they keep it classy

Even the clear bait characters never go that far with skins

[wooden drift]

In how absurd it was

[civic lynx]

They aren’t always accurate to the character’s personality but they’re never revealing for no reason

[pearl halo]

Imo the "sexiest" one is duck zen

[civic lynx]

Summer games Torb:

[pearl halo]

Rein*

[civic lynx]

True

[pearl halo]

😼

[civic lynx]

They scrapped a Summer Mei skin

Pmo

[pearl halo]

Rein hands are disproportionate tho

[wooden drift]

We're gonna get Mama Hong I feel like, sooner or later

[pearl halo]

Like tf you mean they're the size of 3 tracers

[civic lynx]

She’s long gone I fear

[wooden drift]

If jatpack cat got it, than mama hong can too

[pearl halo]

Copium

[civic lynx]

When they first revealed the roster image she caused controversy for being a racist stereotype

[pearl halo]

If persona 2 never had a remake

[civic lynx]

Jetpack cat was never released bc Jeff threw a fit at the thought of animal heroes

[pearl halo]

Mama hong wont make it

[civic lynx]

Mama hong has a justified reason to never see the light of day

[pearl halo]

Un asian her 😼

Make her a big fat aussie like hog or smth

[wooden drift]

I don't think persona developers care about their persona game until third one

[pearl halo]

😔

[wooden drift]

Wow Jeff kinda lame

[pearl halo]

They're never beating the allegations

[wooden drift]

How the heck Hammond and Winston got in

[civic lynx]

Jeff and a lot of ow1 devs thought animals were too stupid for OW

[civic lynx]

Winston got in I assume bc he sounds and acts like a human

[gloomy hinge]

They kinda are

Winston makes sense because he has intelligence

[civic lynx]

Ball infamously caused a divide in blizzard

A lot of devs hated him

But a lot fought for him

[pearl halo]

W ngl

Ball deserves existence

[wooden drift]

That's a shame then

Could've gotten more of these characters

Would've been cool to have evil monkey character from moon colony

[civic lynx]

All of these were considered around the time of jetpack cat

But they were actually too stupid for ow

[wooden drift]

Ye, some of them were a bit too much

[civic lynx]

Like we’re genuinely in looney territory

And I think it scared them out of even heroes like ball

[wooden drift]

I would've liked to have aquatic hero too

[civic lynx]

They reinforce ball’s intelligence in OW1 lore probably to try and please the people who didn’t want him

[civic lynx]

How would that even work

Goldfish floppin about the place in a glass bowl

[wooden drift]

Probably one of the reasons he can speak through the ball

[wooden drift]

Let the fish in a bowl control some kind of mecha like hammond

[civic lynx]

I think that would’ve been goofy but it could’ve been cool 😭

[wooden drift]

And make it evil

[civic lynx]

Now that they seem more willing to at least consider goofy animal shit again maybe we will get one

Jetpack cat got in and one of the devs said they have a funny doodle of a hero they consider from time to time that’s an evil orangutang

[wooden drift]

Yessss, evil Winston could be great

Such no brainer idea

[civic lynx]

Horizon lunar colony was used for Juno’s mythic weapon demo so they might be hinting at somethin

Maybe a new character for 2027 is from there after a faction was sent to the colony to bring the animals stuck there back to earth

[wooden drift]

They can even tease it on the map

How they did with hazard or juno

[pearl halo]

We already got hammond as evil side of winton

We dont need 2 to gang up on 1

[civic lynx]

Ball is like chaotic neutral

[wooden drift]

Hammond isn't really evil

[civic lynx]

This orangutang is like

Genuinely evil

[pearl halo]

He hates winton tho

[civic lynx]

He’d probably be talon equivalent evil

Since they say he’s like a full villain

[wooden drift]

It's personal, not because he's evil

[civic lynx]

Not just a morally grey person

[wooden drift]

I want this character

[civic lynx]

Hopefully we’ll get them one day 😭🙏🏽

[wooden drift]

New villains are always welcome

Make him like mojo jojo from powerpuff girls

[civic lynx]

Talon’s empire won’t last forever and vishkar as main villains would probably fall apart like wet cake

Could be cool to see an animal’s faction as main villain and they’re a more calculated version of Winston

[wooden drift]

Vishkar were always like support villains tbh

If they're not going with Rammatra next chapter, evil monkey could be fun villain

[civic lynx]

They seem to be setting up vishkar to have more relevance with them setting up shop in London with a massive building

And Atlantic arcology is still coming at some point which will give more lore to how LW’s managed to evade them so long

[wooden drift]

Hes just good

[civic lynx]

He’s good but you can only be on the run for so long

[wooden drift]

But it's gonna be comic probably

[civic lynx]

Eventually he will be caught

Especially with vishkar’s plans to expand in the areas vendetta wreaks havoc in

A giant development in the middle of the ocean is prime real estate to be captured by vendetta and used as a base or given to vishkar

[celest terrace]

How do you feel

About the junkers finally getting attention in the story

Ashe working with talon

[civic lynx]

I’ve never really learnt much about their lore but I think it’s cool a smaller faction other than vishkar is getting attention

[celest terrace]

Mauga vs Queen maybe

[civic lynx]

I think mauga will force queen to play ball temporarily

But they will again be part of what causes vendetta’s downfall

[celest terrace]

Not much is really known about them even junk and hog

[civic lynx]

A lot of vendetta’s alliances are as flimsy as a cheap deck chair

[celest terrace]

Wym

[civic lynx]

If anything went wrong once the other side will immediately pull out

A lot of talon’s agents also seem likely to defect to OW or other places as well

[wise grotto]

Her alliances won’t hold up if she isn’t the strongest

They only work now because she had the power and blackmail and weapons against them
If she loses that the loses them

[civic lynx]

Mizuki leaving as teased in spotlight would do severe damage to vendetta’s plan for Tokyo

[celest terrace]

Reaper and widow are likely just going to work for anyone that pays them until doom comes back

[civic lynx]

If sombra gets sigma out there’s another blow

[celest terrace]

Sombra might help out overwatch

[civic lynx]

Mauga as big as he is would be possible to take down eventually some way somehow

Moira isn’t exactly the frontline type of person

[celest terrace]

Moira will go anywhere she can do experiments

Vendetta is putting a leash on her so Moira may leave because of that

[civic lynx]

If vendetta fucks up and does something that could damage vishkar domina’s outta there

[celest terrace]

Sombra already has blackmail

[civic lynx]

I don’t know when she’ll use it yet tho

[celest terrace]

Do you think