lore-discussion

[bleak stratus]

I have an idea about all this. Doomfist has a skin called "Irin" where the description says what he became after losing his arm and how he turned to cybernetics to recover.

Perhaps if Doomfist returns, he will also improve his body (after all, he's almost 50 years old!).

At the end of this story arc, I think Doomfist will return and this time defeat Vendetta.

[pastel berry]

He just got mythic skin, think something there is linked

[wise grotto]

She’ll probably make him more of an actual mythics

[pastel berry]

Huh?

[wise grotto]

Weapon not mythic arf

Wtf auto correct it really on crack today

[wise grotto]

Weapon not mythic

[pastel berry]

Ahhh

[bleak stratus]

I dont think any of them will fight each other because no one is loyal to Vendetta, and Vendetta finds each one of them useful. Sombra probably going to search for Doomfist.

[pastel berry]

Isn’t sigma the most powerful lore wise atm

[peak escarp]

theoretically

[bleak stratus]

He cant control his powers

[peak escarp]

but we haven't seen him do anything

he's just a timid old man who wants to do science

[pastel berry]

Since WHEN was sombra and doom best friends

[crystal saffron]

he should be able to 2 tap anyone by ulting twice?

[bleak stratus]

Only hope for him to survive against anyone from hero roster is his power instinctively defending him in moments of life threat

He cant do at will anything he do in game

[crystal saffron]

will junktown gang just be junktown gang and do nothing

[bleak stratus]

I dont think they friends at all but Sombra definitely likes Doom more then Vendetta.

We can see in this cinematic how she support Reaper eith his words about unaliving Vendetta before

[crystal saffron]

will vendetta js slime reaper

since reaper killed her dad

[bleak stratus]

I dont think Reaper going to give himself so easy

[pastel berry]

He probably know she’s coming for him

[bleak stratus]

Since in cinematic she immediately attacked Overwatch without dealing with him she's probably wants to use him

[crystal saffron]

does she even know

reaper slimed her dad

[bleak stratus]

Yeah

I think there's voice lines about that in game

I cant remember exactly

[bleak stratus]

If she's coming for him then Reaper probably just going to hide because he can be sure about win in 1v1 battle but she seized Talon and i dont think Reaper going to risk fighting her in that case

[crystal saffron]

i only remember reaper saying die like ur father to vendetta after killing her

no vendetta to reaper one

[pastel berry]

The thing bugging me is they planned her for months? And doom for YEARS

[crystal saffron]

Guess failure runs in the family. (eliminating Vendetta)

[pastel berry]

that’s why I’m sure he’s coming back

[leaden hornet]

sigma reminds me of potential man

wen is he going 2 do something op blizzard

[bleak stratus]

Well, there's just no way she cant know it xd

[crystal saffron]

can jetpack cat talk?

[pastel berry]

What gang do ram lead again

[crystal saffron]

null sector

[spring turret]

i know its a vidya game and they're up and coming
but doomfist is a 7 foot tall mountain of apex muscle and vendetta is a 4 foot muppet with a sword and no internal organs, how did they manage to shove doomfist even with his arm missing

[pastel berry]

Maybe they fight talon

It’s weird that he caught her sword then got sliced off

Idk let ow cook

He’ll be back somehow

[spring turret]

im saying if this was real life the cringe anime come back wouldnt have happened

doomfist is far more terrifying than an angry italian muppet

[wise grotto]

If this was real life both of them wouldn’t be even half what they are

Doomfist would be limbless

Literally

[pastel berry]

Help

Yepp*

[wise grotto]

That’s like the dumbest point to make

[pastel berry]

Winston would just f him up if it was real

[spring turret]

winton overwatch true

giant moon gorrila best hero

[wise grotto]

Winston would just kick everyone’s ass no matter what the fight was

[pastel berry]

Let’s enjoy for now

[wise grotto]

Half the cast wouldn’t be capable of fighting cause there’s that many people missing limbs from accidents

[pastel berry]

Ow might be cooking something big

[spring turret]

is winston supposed to be genetically evolved to be huge

[wise grotto]

Including doom

[wise grotto]

A gorilla is still killing most humans in an actual fight and we have
2 characters with non scifi guns

[spring turret]

robotic limbs and scifi elements wasnt the point, the point is doomfist looks terrifying and vendetta looks angsty

[spring turret]

this is true either way

but him being huge makes it more so

[wise grotto]

Yea
That’s why he beats doom once he loses control

[pastel berry]

I don’t think vendetta will rule for long

De

Dw

[crystal saffron]

i agree

doom will js slime her with meteor strike soon imo

[wise grotto]

She’s gonna rule for as long as the plot needs to have someone knock her down for her own overwhelming arrogance

[pastel berry]

Maybe a riot comes and everyone split and talon just dissolve

[spring turret]

i know this i just think doomfist should have put up more than a fight. maybe im expecting too much from an overwatch cinematic

[pastel berry]

I wish the mf used meteor strike

Like in first fight

[wise grotto]

It’s more I think they want doom to make a triumphant return type shit

[crystal saffron]

i agree

[pastel berry]

Yeee

Let ow cook for now

[crystal saffron]

he'll return stronger

[pastel berry]

I’d say

[wise grotto]

That or they want to include other sides of doomfist and didn’t have enough time to make a longer cinematic fight

[crystal saffron]

and slime vendetta

[spring turret]

btw emre is just paladins burst fire viktor, they cloned his gameplay to a t

being a former paladins no life i just keep seeing stuff from it ported to ow

[wise grotto]

Ah so the same thing paladins was doing back in the day as well

[pastel berry]

Anyways, like said I think talon will riot and it will dissolve

Maybe new org

Or group

[wise grotto]

Both games copied eachother so much back then neither had grounds for a lawsuit csuse it was thag muddled

[spring turret]

i liked paladins art style and designs more

overwatch is kind of bland

[wise grotto]

Meh I liked some of paladins characters more but the way the game was handled by the company was abysmal

[spring turret]

indeed

you know that had the money to make a paladins 2
and blew it

[pastel berry]

Watch Hammond smoke them all next

[wise grotto]

Like
It would have been a competitor to ow the whole time

Instead it kept shooting itself in the foot and wondered why it wasn’t growing taller

[spring turret]

overwatch is starting to get more creative designs

but man back in 2018-2019 overwatch had the most bland designs ever

[pastel berry]

Flying cat

For sure

[spring turret]

junkrat and roadhog were fine though

I enjoy basically every overwatch 2 hero except kirko, vendetta

they are boring

[wise grotto]

Honestly I loved some of the old ow characters
I think I liked ow more the entire time imo

I think there’s only like 1 I’m meh on and it’s soj

[pastel berry]

Watch doom dps come

Just as I as before

Op

😭😭

[wise grotto]

Because they took over a year to give soj any personality at all aside from being the old ow commander

[spring turret]

soj is hot though and looks unique so good enough lmfao

all the soldier people are basically the same person

the military does that

[wise grotto]

I’m ace now hot a character is decides nothing

Reaper soj and soldier are significantly different from eachother

[spring turret]

what is sojs lore anyhow

all i know is they're canadian

and ow

[wise grotto]

They’ve been a vigilante for a while post breakup of ow
Was the one who made the announcement originally
Is almost as much cybernetics as hazard is Although she’s “outdated” now in comparison

I know the book in the aftermath of null sectors invasion shows her a bunch

As well as piles of body’s

[gusty cloak]

The 5 new heros are coming out at the same time on feb 10 right? but will they each get cinematics or origin stories?? Do we know anything about that?

[wise grotto]

We do not

[gusty cloak]

hope they do get cinematics. especially jetpack cat. im surprised she basically has no lore

[wise grotto]

Same

[wise grotto]

She’s one of brigs cats

[gusty cloak]

yeah but they said she basically showed up in gibraltor and we dont know her background

[wise grotto]

Well I mean

Look it’s a cat your not gonna get much exciting lore for a cat who used to be a stray cat

[faint lantern]

yo can someone tldr why vendetta runs talon now or whatever the fuck happened

[wise grotto]

I’d rather learn what happened with brig to@have her give her cat a jetpack

[wise grotto]

Mf cut dooms fist of and threw him out a window

[faint lantern]

ok but why

why would she do that

[wise grotto]

Cause she’s a power hungry cartoonishly evil character

Doing that gives her more power

Simple

[umbral forge]

i was hoping for a better name other than 'jetpack cat'

[wise grotto]

Her actual names fika

They’re just using the name the community’s been using for the character for its entire lifespan

[median orchid]

So the cats name is literally "Coffee" in swedish. Also its named after a swedish tradition of drinking coffee ...

Coffee cat

[wise grotto]

Would be the second cat brigs named after food

Hassalback is another one of her cats

[peak escarp]

she's the daughter of Antonio Bartalotti, the Talon head that Reyes blasted out a window 10 years ago

after her father died, she expected to take his place, but Talon shut her out and divided up her inheritance

[faint lantern]

That makes considerably more sense, thank you

[peak escarp]

if they remade Retribution it would be the perfect opportunity to sneak a photo of her onto Antonio's desk

[prime kelp]

I doubt doomfist is actually dead

[twilit patrol]

He isn't dead

[lone summit]

fraudfist

[twilit patrol]

He'll come back stronger

[prime kelp]

But when and how is the question

No doubt he despises vendetta

[lone summit]

some people had to realize
doom was washed in the fight
he isnt in his prime anymore
he is not as strong as you think he is

[prime kelp]

Sombra reaper and widow didn't look to happy about her taking over either so I could see the leaving talon

[edgy tree]

I still feel like losing a fight you were warned about THAT much with the strongest weapon in-universe is uknow hard to really believe

[lone summit]

strongest weapon
lost to angry gorilla and robo-horse

[merry mason]

Yeah man just doom her with the fist it’s not that hard

[lone summit]

tied with big samoan man

[edgy tree]

Angry gorilla on drugs and something made specifically to defeat him

[peak escarp]

Doomfist wasn't going all out in that fight

[edgy tree]

but sure

[peak escarp]

we've seen what he can do

he was holding back, maybe he underestimated her

[edgy tree]

he HAD to be holding back

[peak escarp]

or maybe he just didn't want to wreck his office

[lone summit]

Still
If the Doomfist gauntlet could level a skyscraper it should definitely oneshot a modified gorilla

[edgy tree]

there's no other reason for him losing this

REAPER warned him about her

the guy who's all about shoot now think later

[peak escarp]

they say it could level a skyscraper... no proof that it actually could

[edgy tree]

for a tactician like him it just looked so dumb

[lone summit]

i think hes just out of his prime
hes washed
hes older and has grown with less need to train

[edgy tree]

His weapon didn't exactly get weaker though

[merry mason]

He a cyborg why would he need to train just upgrade

[lone summit]

he did though
thats why he was slower

[edgy tree]

Break the floor throw stuff at her

do the same thing he did in the 3v1

[wise grotto]

Before he modified the arm and got comfortable not having been attacked since that day essentially

[lone summit]

my thoughts exactly

[edgy tree]

Didn't he fight a bunch with Mauga

[lone summit]

hes just not like that anymore
he hasnt had the need to

[wise grotto]

Not since the first

[edgy tree]

he woudn't just stagnate like this

[wise grotto]

Fist

[prime kelp]

And very arrogant

[wise grotto]

He fought Mauga last before getting the fist

[lone summit]

now the REAL QUESTION is….

Are we putting him on fraudwatch…?
🤔

[prime kelp]

That also probably affected his fighting

[wise grotto]

Not until he comes back and proves himself first

[maiden pasture]

Nah, you’ll just here “METEOR STRIKE” and he’ll take her ass out

[edgy tree]

Idk I just think he let her win for whatever reason

he's cunning he rose through the ranks of Talon

[lone summit]

If we do we’re calling him Fraudfist

[maiden pasture]

It’ll deffo be part of a bigger plan. People assuming blizzard have him washed etc I think are wrong. This is the first bit of lore in a YEAR LONG story as they said. There’s much more to it. Plus, it’s the oldest trick in the book…if you don’t see a character die on screen, they’re not really dead

[civic lynx]

Doom is definitely gonna be at BlizzCon and revealed to have survived

[median orchid]

Yeah they likely gona drop the next cinematic there

[civic lynx]

They used him as OW’s rep in blizzcon artwork and said “see you next fall” as a joke for him

Idk if the cinematic will be a new faction, OW or talon members saving him

But somebody will come to his rescue

[maiden pasture]

100%. Doom is my favourite character and I’m not glazing it, it’s just obvious in my eyes they have something planned for him. He won’t want to retake talon, I reckon he was happy to give Talon up. He wasn’t taunting Vendetta. He was actually teaching her. Telling her how power is seized and earned etc. He wanted to see her take Talon from him, he got what he wanted.

He even said he was disappointed, a typical thing (in fiction) that a master tells their student in order to bring the best out in them. He said it to give Vendetta the fighting force to take Talon from him, he’s moving on from his own choice

[edgy tree]

brooo Imagine if Doom is working with the conspiracy

[brittle sky]

I think it might be an exagerration to say Doom calculated or planned his own downfall (I think if there's any hand at work we can read Max as ensuring Vendetta's rise), but he'll definitely come back and adjust. Whether that's with Talon (whatever of Talon remains after Vendetta gets done smashing it up against... apparently every world gov?) or in some new cacity, who knows.

[edgy tree]

Doom "accepted" Emre as a hired hand for Talon knowing full well he was controlled to make it seem like it was his choise

which worked preety damn well

[civic lynx]

I can honestly see them doing a doom redemption arc

He’s found by OW when they’re forced to escape Gibraltar and he decides to work with them to deal with vendetta for some reason

[prime kelp]

Specifically to screw with vendetta

[civic lynx]

Even if he’s not goin to become talon’s leader again, he could dislike how vendetta’s leadership is playing out and choose to help get rid of her

[edgy tree]

His whole thing is strenghtening the world through conflict

Vendetta is doing exactly what he wants to happen like with the Null sector invasion

[wise grotto]

Maybe he thinks he’s gone soft so he wanted to lose to force conflict on himself yet again

I wouldn’t take this theory too seriously but it’s a chance

[edgy tree]

it could be that he wanted to avoid the fate of the other 2 doomfists before him ig

[wise grotto]

I mean maybe
I doubt he’d wanna retire

[edgy tree]

Yeah he still wants conflict

[brittle sky]

what Vendetta wants is a dynasty. She wants to make an empire to her family. Doom would regard that as pure stagnation, both for individuals and for the world.

[edgy tree]

him becoming stronger is not necessarily his goal

[edgy tree]

He could let the whole invasion play out for a bit before stepping in again ig

[wise grotto]

Her stepping up for a while would cause conflict for ow and talon however

[edgy tree]

let the kid have her "Vengeance" before taking it all back later

[wise grotto]

Give her REAL conflict at the end and maybe she’ll be stronger to

I’m sure doom wants to test new Overwatch after all

[edgy tree]

"only through conflict do we evolve"

[wise grotto]

And what better way to force them to prove themselves and evolve then someone who’s gonna be bold enough to attack directly

[edgy tree]

yeah lol the first thing she did was go for the hq (poor Winston)

[wise grotto]

Yea
I wonder how gib will change gameplay wise now

[edgy tree]

From what I saw not much

[civic lynx]

High ground is destroyed

Other than that not much

[edgy tree]

U can still use it tho

just... not as much

[civic lynx]

Rialto has had visual changes

But nothing other than that

[edgy tree]

The ship in 2nd point is a welcome change though

[wise grotto]

Yea but these are spots used quite a lot for dive especially

[edgy tree]

Screw that point lol

[wise grotto]

I wonder how much dive is gonna change on this map gameplay wise

[edgy tree]

Heroes with lower mobility now have a way of getting up there (or at least it looks like they can)

and Tracer too

[wise grotto]

True
Which is going to fully change how it’ll be played consistently
I’m kinda excited to test

[edgy tree]

the 2 bridges don't really change much

[civic lynx]

Also is this a new stadium map or an existing one just edited for new lore

[edgy tree]

u never stood in the middle and the hole seems to be jump overable

[edgy tree]

New

[civic lynx]

Oh it’s Rialto

[edgy tree]

Looks like it's based on Rialto

most likely the gated off section that has hitboxes for whatever reason

[civic lynx]

So it’s for push

[strange trout]

i really like that they are doing something with talon but why did they have to take doomfist (arguably the best talon member) out of the picture for that to happen?

[civic lynx]

Move the lore forward with a new main villain ig

[strange trout]

swtg vendetta is just somone's OC

[edgy tree]

so he can make an epic comeback and Say "I am ine- uh Doomfist"

[civic lynx]

Doom isn’t gone for good but talon’s new leader allows them to change up how the faction operates

[strange trout]

most likely, but i feel like what is happening isnt a farcry from how doom was running it, just feels unfair for a brand new character to come in and beat him and get to do more

[civic lynx]

Doom’s talon was always a more shadowy organisation

[edgy tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oji19FJjP74

[civic lynx]

Vendetta wants the whole world to know talon is here and will slaughter anyone who gets in their way

[dry pebble]

That's why Vendetta sucks

[edgy tree]

oh damn

Talon took over Rialto

[strange trout]

cant wait for the newest cinimatic where vendetta beats all the strongest characters from overwatch so we can appreciate how strong she is

[edgy tree]

like completly

[civic lynx]

Doom wanted conflict but also would use stealth or wait for the best time to strike

Vendetta will just run head first at something she wants to get rid of

[dry pebble]

Feels nothing like a character but a Mary Sue

[edgy tree]

it's got anti aircraft turrets and Talon flags everywhere

[strange trout]

just say you hate women 😂

[dry pebble]

????

[edgy tree]

Tbh they didn't really... show us much about Vendetta

[dry pebble]

Keep defending slop buddy, and relate to misogynity

[edgy tree]

just that she's evil kills people and then suddently she owns Talon

[strange trout]

Bro wdym the character that just got introduced and and is already beating the strongest characters in the verse is a mary sue? Like how does that even make sense, i think you’re jist allergic to bad writing am i right? #gamernation

[dry pebble]

Kept the Maximillien hostage to obtain more informations about Talon members to help her stand against Doomfist only to 1v1 him in first glance

[iron vigil]

I'm a woman and i agree she's a mary sue just like kiriko

[dry pebble]

Shit is so funny

[dry pebble]

They were ironic

I also didn't get it in first time

I can't be hating on OW woman cause Ana exists ♥️

[keen swift]

vendetta has been training and building her empire for 10 years before facing doom

[edgy tree]

Oh they're gonna give Tracer,Soj and Mizuki new Overwatch agent skins

[iron vigil]

We had doom literally beat genji, tracer, and winston while predicting their movements just to get beat by this sudden new character after they hyped him up for how strong he was

[edgy tree]

Emre,Mauga and Moira are getting new Talon skins

[strange trout]

You cant just come out with a cinematic that says “oh yeah she’s actually been training for 10 years” and expect that to be good enough

[keen swift]

its also been hinted to in the comics that were releasing, as well as her hero trailer

she was building up her empire to challenge talon

[dry pebble]

Overwatch's trend for its New character designs of keeping the faces of New heroes fucking sucks

[dry pebble]

What Empire

[iron vigil]

Oh i just hopped into the conversation after seeing the trailer, my baddd

[keen swift]

technically just connections and whatnot to help her gain more power to be able to go toe to toe.

[strange trout]

Bro did you not read the comic that explicitly states “my name is vendetta i am building an empire and also this was all foreshadowed because someone saw my shadow in a comic once”

[edgy tree]

they didn't show us any of that

[keen swift]

regardless it sucks how quickly it just sorta happened, especially with ram being sidelined

[edgy tree]

there's a thing called "show don't tell"

[strange trout]

Who’s ram? 😂

[dry pebble]

Real

[edgy tree]

and most of the things about Vendetta are just told to us

[iron vigil]

Exactly, why does she deserve Talon just because her dad died? When Talon had nothing to do with her father's death and reyes is sitting right there

[dry pebble]

That's really describes Bad writing

[dry pebble]

Hop off DC doom

[strange trout]

How else are we: the dumb idiot stupid consumer, supposed to guess that a character is strong without it being spoon-fed to us?

[iron vigil]

A few people doesn't make an empire and these new characters barely have story to cover them

[edgy tree]

Waiter I need 3 more walls of text about Vendetta

[strange trout]

Exactly, by that logic doom’s empire should have been stronger cuz he has more named characters

[median orchid]

Like the most important guy she had in her disposal was Max

[dry pebble]

Get ready for Overwatch to force itself to become a mainstream PVP game that doesn't value its content anymore

[keen swift]

after her dad was killed she was denied all of her inheritence and lost her position in talon, which is why shes pissy and wanted her power back

[strange trout]

Brodie was 4 years too late to make that statement

[dry pebble]

BS and LoL

[dry pebble]

None of the previous updates of the game was this tryhard to become one before

[strange trout]

My first hint that they really didnt care about the lore was injecting kiriko into the shimada lore

[dry pebble]

10 heroes in one year? Phew. This is just piss racing

[keen swift]

the ages as well 😭

[strange trout]

Yeah but PVE is too hard

[dry pebble]

"other games adding 2 per update. Well, we adding 10!"

[keen swift]

but its nice that theyre actually paying attention to lore now

[dry pebble]

Only to fuck the shit out of it

[strange trout]

I think a way to fix it is to have a voiceline interacted hinting that kiriko is lying about her age, and maybe that would add like a singular flaw to her character

[dry pebble]

Jetpack Cat should've been Mitzki

With red color scheme

Domino should've been replaced with Sanjay

[iron vigil]

Okay and that's cool but i still don't see this character as being the new face and head of Talon because she barely has any buildup like doom had. They had Doom sitting there for so longgg and barely did anything with him and it feels like they really just didn't know what to do with him so they replaced him.

[dry pebble]

And fuck the mizuke whatever the fuck their name is

And Emre should've provide the expectations instead of being a Halo like hero with Ultron ult

[iron vigil]

Just like they barely do anything with ram, they keep giving sprinkles for years for everything yet this new chracter gets a butt ton of stuff and they call it lore

[keen swift]

you could argue the same about ram tbh, he had so much going for him, the invasion pve line being about null sector and his movements, and now he was burshed aside

[dry pebble]

Ramattra is too good for current position of Overwatch

[strange trout]

Bro ram is too expensive nowadays thats why they arent doing anything with him

[edgy tree]

I really dislike the fact they didn't go along with making the Kappa inspired Japanese guy an Omnic like they showed us before

[dry pebble]

I really don't want any Ninja members to get in game anymore

[strange trout]

Because omnics are fucking lame and we need more hot characters or this game will die

[dry pebble]

We arleady have some and they are just filling the others in rove without completely providing the others lore

[strange trout]

Wdym you dont want more east asian themed characters are you stupid? Thats the only place ever

[iron vigil]

That's what I'm saying, they have these good villian characters that the previous and i guess current team put so much effort into and they're replacing it with their mary sues

[edgy tree]

I'd just like to get some more Kiriko lore

[wise grotto]

I hav ea hunch this char was specifically added to expand on the yokai vs hashimodo lore

[strange trout]

I got it for you: My name is kiriko i am perfect

[iron vigil]

I'd like for her lore to be rewritten. I like her but i hate her backstory

[edgy tree]

yeah preety much

He's in the hashimodo clan and pretends to be with the yokai

[dry pebble]

Am i the only one who think Mizuke genuinely have Bad design? Like its just random shit putting all around together to make itself look cool

[edgy tree]

The omnic design was so much better

[strange trout]

Bro wdym asia cool like anime

[dry pebble]

He just looks like he made a accessories of itself using Nerf gun parts

[iron vigil]

No i think so too, his design jus ain't it

[edgy tree]

It looked so much more like a Kappa he even had a shell

[dry pebble]

West has fallen millions must be Asian

[edgy tree]

the only reason I even though about Mizuki being inspired by Kappas was the face mask but like cmon

[strange trout]

Pretty fitting they killed off doom since they refuse to acknowledge that africa exists

[edgy tree]

that's so tame

[iron vigil]

His original design was originally an ominic? Would have been nice to see than all the hot characters we keep getting

[dry pebble]

Eliminating characters that won't provide beauty standarts in mainstream

[edgy tree]

yeah his face had a more animalistic shape he was also green and had a blue shell attached

[dry pebble]

I thought those two wasnt same character?!

[edgy tree]

There's no reason for Mizuki and the omnic being both inspired by Kappas

[dry pebble]

Mizuki inspired by Kappas?!

[iron vigil]

They gave him the hazard treatment 😭😭

[edgy tree]

yeah the face mask

[dry pebble]

Omfg we should have killed Hazard

[strange trout]

Holy shit hazard is the fucking white bread of OW designs

[iron vigil]

Stole his originality and just made him hot

[dry pebble]

They literally ruined Emre hair because Hazard were using Mohawk in design

[edgy tree]

his clothes also for some reason just have KAPPA on them

[strange trout]

How else would we: the dumb stupid idiot consumer, know?

[dry pebble]

Random bullshit GO ahh

[wise grotto]

Not everyone knows what kappa is maybe I don’t know

[iron vigil]

I personally think they just need a better design director

[edgy tree]

yeah why add more detail like a shell or make his headgear appear to have water on top (source of their power) let's just uh write kappa on it

[wise grotto]

That would be a wild thing to learn though I’m sure

[edgy tree]

yeah that works

[strange trout]

We have to be spoon-fed guys because WE are so fucking stupid and wont like characters if they arent hot

[dry pebble]

Omfg i just got informed

Emre doesn't speak turkish in Ult

Shit is so ass what the fuck

[strange trout]

Of course not, its not a palatable language like Japanese or Japanese or Japanese

[brittle sky]

you... know what he speaks instead, right?

[iron vigil]

I miss when we actually got introduced to characters instead of them being dropped in

[dry pebble]

Finland

[brittle sky]

Sure. And are you imagining that's just random laziness on their part?

[strange trout]

I cant wait for the rise of talon and for moira and sig to be ignored

[wise grotto]

He speaks Finnish while being mind controlled

Man wonder if that’s a coincidence or not

[brittle sky]

yeah, it's a pretty obviously purposeful move

[wise grotto]

Moira literally only cares about having funding she’s not gonna really do much except the minimum to keep finding

[strange trout]

If sigma was added today he would be either a twinky scientist or a hot girl with a bare midriff called something stupid like gravitus

[wise grotto]

Funding

[dry pebble]

It is stupid

[iron vigil]

Even more so than they already have been. Yeah, we at least still hear somewhat about Moira i guess like her notes during hazard's release but sigma tho, he just doesn't exist currently

[wise grotto]

Oh it’s stupid that they’re hinting at the people controlling him by using his ultimate

[iron vigil]

He wasn't even in the meeting 😭

[strange trout]

They don’t know how to write powerful characters so they kill them or pretend they dont exist

[dry pebble]

And why did they didn't done the brainwashed thing for its design then?

[wise grotto]

I guess emre lore connecting to the conspiracy shouldn’t be shown off at all actuslly

[strange trout]

Hey i’m really glad emre is coming out to fill the brainwashed roll in overwatch that nobody ever had had before ever

[wise grotto]

Please retype this I had a stroke
“Did they didn’t done”

[edgy tree]

the eye on his chest somewhat Imples that

why else have that if something ain't looking through you

[brittle sky]

That they're implying something by having the thing controlling him half the time has some connection to finland?

[iron vigil]

They just simply needed their bucky for overwatch

[wise grotto]

I’m sure Bucky was the first mind controlled weapon character in media

[dry pebble]

Simply telling you the fact him being controlled nowhere provided in design

And you simply putting on SFX, keep defending slop buddy

[wise grotto]

Except the huge eye
And the whole comic showing off what he looks like while controlled

[dry pebble]

He looks nothing near like in the comic when he is controlled

[wise grotto]

And the eye being the only thing that doesn’t change which directly references the conspiracy

[edgy tree]

tbh u do need to know the lore even think about him being mind controlled

It's not really clear to people unfamiliar with the Conspiracy

[brittle sky]

what? The roving eye in his chest, and the vfx that fully eclipse over him for his ult, the very clear voicework (him 'waking up' after every ult). Like, does he need a big hat with wires to read as brain controlled?

[wise grotto]

Really these aren’t even a little similar

[dry pebble]

That's a guy with a skin suit within an eye in chest

[strange trout]

I really like how the only way for them to expand the lore was to add more characters further adding to the conclusion that they cant develop anything past the surface level and proving that they have infinite lore but no lore

[wise grotto]

Damn aside from
The colour and art style
There’s literally nothing there

[iron vigil]

Of course he wasn't but you can't tell me you don't see the similarities between all these new character's and marvel's/rival's characters and move effects.

[dry pebble]

You well know this wasn't the form i was directing at

[brittle sky]

Do you need a big hat with wires?

[wise grotto]

This was literally the one I was talking about so you weren’t even talking about the same thing

Also your message made no sense you typed “did they didn’t done”

[dry pebble]

You mentioned the one in comic and he has two different appearance in that

[dry pebble]

English isn't my native language and you are a prick to show that off to prove your stupid point

[edgy tree]

The black eyes one right?

[iron vigil]

Character's dropped outta nowhere with no introduction or lore but their kits are alll figured out so quickly and so many of them so fast too

[wise grotto]

Yes I mentioned the big moment during his mind controlling in the comic and compared it to the in game one there’s only one moment in game he is being controlled which has been shown very clearly

Unless you’ve avoided seeing any gameplay at all

[dry pebble]

How much you need to accept the fact that's a guy in skin suit with a gun

[wise grotto]

If that’s the case why are you acting one moment like I’d know exactly what your talking about on the first place

There’s symbolism showing he has someone controlling him and watching what he’s doing like
Literally plastered to his chest

It’s as unsubtle as possible

And you argued it wasn’t that

[dry pebble]

He is pretty in conscious in game majority of the time, his eyes are normal with pupils instead of his unfeeling blackened out eyes shown in comic. And feature of being brainwashed nothing near in design

[brittle sky]

I'm not... denying he's a guy in in a cyberpunk suit with a gun. But to imagine that doesn't relate to the canon of 'dehumanized future soldier' where most of our pop culture examples of a mind controlled soldier comes from seems willful ignorance. Like... engage with the visual language of the character if you're going to make arguments about it.

[dry pebble]

What visual language

[brittle sky]

Is your complaint there doesn't seem to be a time where he's in the middle stage of control with blacked out eyes, only 'normal' control by himself and the full cyberdevil control on the ult?

[wise grotto]

Yes csuse they take control of him the visual language is the giant visual change with the arm cannon and him floating up in the most evil red and orange colours in some possessed ass ult
Or the giant eye strapped to his chest operating entirely seperate from him except when it glows bright during ult and he speaks an entirely different language he wouldn’t know

[keen summit]

Emre is connected to one of the oldest mysteries

Like

[wise grotto]

The conspiracy has been a big part of ow lore since
Soldiers story actuslly

So a 10 year long slowly built up to lore

Games not only adding these heroes for lore to
10 heroes for (and I’ve said this 6 times or more) the 10th anniversary
You know
The big number 10

[iron vigil]

The only one i like is jetpack cat

And domina looks pretty nice, that's it tho

[dry pebble]

If the only thing Overwatch provided for its characters' storylines and themes were visual effects and ultimate abilities instead of the main appearance they're in, this game would suck in beginning.

[wise grotto]

His chest has the giant eye
Of the conspiracy on it
Plus the comic they showed him off in
Plus the years of history now around the conspiracy
It’s objectively not just his ultimate and visual affect of his ultimate

You have to ignore everything else to think it is

[brittle sky]

is it really the fact his eyes aren't going black all the time?

[wise grotto]

Like on purpose pretend everything else isn’t a thing

[brittle sky]

like what visual indicators do you think he's missing?

[dry pebble]

If you thing an mechanical eye in chest or visual clarity just for a skill you rarely get chance to use is enough to ensure a character then sure you can keep defending slop i guess

[dry pebble]

His design clearly isn't succesful for what he is, im not asking for a giant ass helmet for its head to ensure as you keep pushing that in conversation for some reason

[iron vigil]

Reading through all this and no fr bc by the logic being used here, the same could have been said for illari if she was done the same way just because her hair, tattoos, and eyes glow when she ults. Everything being said about this character currently are all theories and not the actual lore because nobody knows it since they put nothing out barely.

[brittle sky]

I'm trying to ask what design would articulate that, since you are rejecting what other folks are calling vidual indicators of that story, and not specifying what he should have instead

[wise grotto]

You are literally ignoring most of my message to make arguments huh
Like
Just fully ignoring everything said to have your argument continue makinf more sense
Ignoring all implications the eye has

[wise grotto]

The eye is literally just the eye of the conspiracy
That’s the thing that’s not much of a theory when it’s THE eye

[dry pebble]

You keep repeating the things you have spoken previously and im telling you my point in return which i arleady stated in your previous messages

[iron vigil]

Every hero that came out previously had a cinematic, a comic, map lore updates, and a lot more given about them. Nobody had to theorize and just come up with who these characters are and what they do

[wise grotto]

And it’s the only time it’s been used in forever

[dry pebble]

I didn't know an eye is that enough to ensure character being in an overtaken state

[wise grotto]

If they just gave every answer regarding the conspiracy a 10 year long lore thing would have no purpose

[iron vigil]

Nobody knows what the eye is for, it's ur own theory

Did they personally tell you?

[keen summit]

Dude

The ult?

[edgy tree]

tbh it looks exactly the same

[dry pebble]

What does this have to do with anything i have spoken about design doesn't ensure the themes the characters have set in for

[keen summit]

Its the exact same icon

Lile

[edgy tree]

ofc the conspiracy is not well known

[dry pebble]

That's literally conspiracy

[iron vigil]

Okay and illari glows when she ults

[wise grotto]

This hero had a full comic
He is being controlled
The eye actively glows when he’s fully taken over
Actually naw it’s all a coincidence then and he’s fully seperate

[keen summit]

All we know now that its probs some program

[keen summit]

Doesnt matter

[edgy tree]

last time it appeared was with the Sombra story

[keen summit]

The ult

OS THE EYR

[dry pebble]

Whatever you say buddy

[keen summit]

Like

[iron vigil]

Visual effects don't count for lore

[keen summit]

Do you know what we are talking about?

[wise grotto]

No

[dry pebble]

Visual effect : Ult

[keen summit]

The literal same icon

Like

[wise grotto]

The answer is in mass no

[keen summit]

No changed

Just the exact same icon

[dry pebble]

I didn't know an Ult pulling is this enough to ensure the character's themes i thought theme should have been ensured in character's appearance within design

[iron vigil]

I stand by what i said and think

[brittle sky]

Could you give an example of what sort of visual or design elements would speak 'mind controlled soldier' if you think that's something they're trying but failing to articulate (as opposed to other folks, who think his design does speak to that in some way)?

[keen summit]

His chest has the same icon but stylised

We figured thar out weeks ago

[iron vigil]

Till actual lore comes out, i ain't listening to theories

[wise grotto]

I love how still the only people who care about emre are the ones who’ve followed the lore in depth and everyone else is just pulling the “naw”

[keen summit]

Its not really a theory when the same icon is literally on him

[iron vigil]

Theory

[keen summit]

We know hes connected, just not how

[dry pebble]

I have been waiting for him 9 years and you can keep pretend like that's a character design that has worthed its release

[keen summit]

Icl i like his design

[iron vigil]

But alr, i got work. Ya'll have a good day. Current lore sucks buns

[keen summit]

So i dont see the issue

[wise grotto]

Oh so you’ve followed in depth on the lore of the entire game or you just know the one art piece

[dry pebble]

The comic isn't even that much of a long

There's isn't that some incredibly deep shit of Emre

[keen summit]

Hes been mentioned many times such as in operation....

Do you know im which operation he was mentioned

[dry pebble]

I know the operation, can you exactly tell me what does operation gonna provide for his design as he is in an unconscioues state

[wise grotto]

The conspiracy has existed as a thing in ows lore since soldiers lore existed
Emres been mentioned multiple times during operations
And sombras entire big end goal of lore has to do with the group that uses that same eye as there only signature

[dry pebble]

Ok now tell me which part of these provides that Emre has good design

[keen summit]

Good design is subjective

I love his design

His kit i dislike

[dry pebble]

That's a preference, in terms of design this isn't one

You are just answering by personal preference, im giving you reason what game accomplish so far with character and what is it supposed

[keen summit]

Thats just wrong though. His design tells alot aswell

Mainly the main part

His chest

[dry pebble]

His design is a guy in suit

Wow much of a mind blowing

[dry pebble]

Everything else in design is just a guy

[wise grotto]

Ok so
Your actively dismissing there being implications and then saying “no objectively it’s bad” without
Caring about why someone would like and think the design is cool

[keen summit]

I getvwhat theyre sayin

[dry pebble]

This whole statement making no sense and you are keep tracking this conversation to the unrelated points

[dry pebble]

Ok now tell me how does Emre's design is good by what he is

[keen summit]

The thing is that its mesnt to contrast okd enre

[wise grotto]

We did
A lot
Over and over
And you don’t believe there good points or don’t like the points so why would I retype the same things and the same reasons just for you to say they aren’t reasons again

[dry pebble]

It because the points you give is nothing near about the design character has

[keen summit]

Old emre was human, doen to earth, Carin g

Nee emre looks the opposite

Thats the design

[dry pebble]

You are drifting the conversation to the spots where you think you can win by making it unrelated with the thing we were discussing of

[wise grotto]

Yes they had to do directly with the visual design the character had most of my points where directly to do with that and the lore implications his design and things he did
You chose to ignore those parts and say they don’t actually have anything to do with the characters design so again
Why would you want me to explain it if your not gonna listen

[wise grotto]

So you just don’t wanna know why other people like the design you just want them to agree with you at this point

[keen summit]

The design is meant to contrast everything we knew, perhaps showing in that way how powerfull the eye is or just to show hes not like before

[dry pebble]

Yes because none of the lore implications of what he is presented in his design and that's what im arguing with you

[keen summit]

For non lore readers he looks dangerous but then you'll likely hear how he used to be

[dry pebble]

Their only argument is being "likeness is subjective" isn't helping of what discussion trying to accomplish

[wise grotto]

No most of my argument wasn’t to do with that infact I said that literally 1 time

[true sparrow]

I haven't really seen anyone mention it, but the doomfist (the weapon not the character) is kind of like a mantle that is "passed down" right? Does anyone else think we might be getting a new doomfister (in the lore at least)?

[mossy vale]

What’s the lore behind Anrans new outfit? Her outfit looks like it’d be a skin for her. I lowk preferred how she looked in the wuyang cinematics

[dry pebble]

Whatever you say buddy

[wise grotto]

Oce explained those lore implications and you’ve said that’s not actually what that is

The eye
How he’s changed
Things during his ult
The eyes changing from normal to the red and black

But apparently those aren’t lore implications and he’s just a dude in a skin suit

[dry pebble]

Yes because other than the eye in ult his face and anything else is just a guy

Clearly the design isn't only made of the eye in torso isn't it

[wise grotto]

You know how many heroes can be done down to “if you take out all these unique specific parts that Make them interesting to you they’re just a guy/girl” how is that an argument

[keen summit]

If you take ventures gun away

[dry pebble]

His eyes were blackened out in comics in first appearance, clearly wasnt conscious
His eyes became normal in the end and began to have conscious
Ingame design stated he is being brainwashed, but eyes were nowhere to be seen.

[wise grotto]

You take tracers chest gear away she’s just a skinny British lady

[pearl halo]

Soldier works too, he can run ig

[keen summit]

A guy with fancy glasses

[mossy vale]

If you take ball from his ball mech… he’s just… hammy…

[pearl halo]

If you take wintons brain he's just a gorilla

[wise grotto]

Yep

[dry pebble]

Do you think any other hero's uniquiness and themeing is limited within only one feature and an ability that is barely been equipped in game

[keen summit]

jepack cat but no jetpack

[dry pebble]

Go on mocking my statements

[pearl halo]

Doomfist arm?

[wise grotto]

“One feature” this giant ass piece of tech on his body
And an entire ability that appears every time you look at the character in selection and is the most impactful part of his initial comic
And the fact he heavily contradicts his old design but you really tried ignoring that point

[pearl halo]

Vendetta sword?

[dry pebble]

Read my previous messages

[wise grotto]

All your doing is putting down other peoples reasons csuse they’re not good enough for you

[keen summit]

He did just ignore what i said yea

[wise grotto]

That’s at this point all it seems like you’ve done

[pearl halo]

Just ignore him lowkey

[keen summit]

Its point is the contradiction

[wise grotto]

At this point I’m gonna depending csuse this is some brick wall stuff

[dry pebble]

Are you bringing this over the morality now to prove yourself right now? For once actually make a statement that is relivance of what we were discussing without shifting it to other directions to win against

[dry pebble]

I clearly can say The same for you but brick wall wouldnt actually drift my discussions

[pearl halo]

!!lore

I forgot the command

But yea

You got me

[dry pebble]

Other people points for good design : i actually like how he is looks

[wise grotto]

You’ve
Ignored the contradictory part of his design someone pointed out instead just repeatedly put down someo else’s argument

Any time someome does actually discuss back to you with points your also just going for saying they aren’t good points or that they don’t work

[dry pebble]

Sorry not keeping this very important fact for a design in mind

[dry pebble]

Good point : good design is subjective

[pearl halo]

Dont make me snitch gang go to general or smth 🙏

[dry pebble]

Im taking my hat off 👏

[wise grotto]

That is not the only point anybody made at all but go off I guess at this point enjoy

[dry pebble]

Mhm you definetly can't recall what you have spoken of after messaging a new one

Next time actually read what the opposing part trying to accomplish without repeating like a parrot, all the things you have spoken of me easily can also be fitten to you by the fact how you treated my statement and ignored them

[keen summit]

Excal

You have never adressed my points.

[strange trout]

i really like how they completely butchered anran and made her look almost exactly like juno

is there a lore reson for this sudden cosmetic surgery?

[peak escarp]

no

it's the artists

[wise grotto]

Yea no that’s purely the modeling artists thing

[peak escarp]

different artists worked on the animation vs the game

iirc the animation was outsourced to another studio

so technically they're the ones who got her wrong

[pearl halo]

Which makes sense, its done almost in every big studio

But sad to see how she turned out, still amazing job from the artists

[wise grotto]

I mean the huge Cinematic’s we know for a fact are directed by someone else outside of blizzard

[wise grotto]

Her outfit and weapons are peak honestly

[pearl halo]

Makes me think of that fire juno skin in a way ngl

But it IS peak

[peak escarp]

the animations made by Blizzard are the ones that have "Blizzard Entertainment presents" at the start

[pearl halo]

Holy overkit tho 😭 every character got a high skill ceiling (except emre)

[peak escarp]

all these new heroes have like 5 abilities... Cassidy just has "shoot good" and "roll"

[wise grotto]

Tbf that’s csuse if they made abilities as simple as they used to I think they wouldn’t be super interesting anymore

Once you’ve covered almost all the simple hero kits your gonna have to start getting funky with it

[wise grotto]

And nade and fan the hammer

Nade I think is the most reworked individual ability in the game

[pearl halo]

Half the dps have a nade like ability lmao

Depending on what you call nade

[pearl halo]

But yea i agree ngl

[wise grotto]

Thing you through and explodes that isn’t just shot as a rocket

[pearl halo]

Tracer ult

[wise grotto]

That’s a mf nuke

[pearl halo]

Still a nade technically

[wise grotto]

Technically yea but then Dva bomb also sits in the same boat this abilities hsve the same visual indicators to other players

And are both thrown

[pearl halo]

One is round

The other is a mech

Idk if a self destruct counts as nade

[pearl halo]

Dva bomb isnt thrown using hands tho, so cant really count

[wise grotto]

I mean neither is bastions

[pearl halo]

True true

[wise grotto]

Bastions would be closer to a rocket arguably

[pearl halo]

But hey we in a democracy, and we twist words our way

[wise grotto]

But counting non ult grenades

Emre Ana bastion Ashe cass

Anyone else in game

[pearl halo]

Does javelin count as nade 😼

[wise grotto]

No

[pearl halo]

Dam

Somra cube kinda counts as one no

Since its thrown

And hurts

[wise grotto]

The arc I think is important to be a grenade kinda weapon

Otherwise it’s just skill shots in general

[pearl halo]

Hmm sounds fair

[wise grotto]

And then everyone except like 5 have them

[pearl halo]

Less than i thought ngl

[wise grotto]

Same

[pearl halo]

Also we have 0 vision impairing abilities

[wise grotto]

I was expecting more but that’s not actually that many

[pearl halo]

Unless im forgetting

[wise grotto]

dominas new ult

That shit covers your screen with her shield around you

We have to count that

[pearl halo]

All 5 new ults look op btw

Depending on domina shield health it might be a delete enemy team button

[wise grotto]

Honestly
Mizuki a is gonna be easy to kite and emre is just a standard dps ult

And the cat is map and location dependent

[pearl halo]

Emre being ulton ult

[pearl halo]

How long does it last btw?

Is it as long as kiri kitsu?

[wise grotto]

I think its like 5. Or something close to that

It’s not super long

I’d have to check again tho

[pearl halo]

Oh that sounds okay

[wise grotto]

It’s more so gonna be best used second

[pearl halo]

Yeah definitely

[wise grotto]

Like if they use window or kitsune you put it outside of that to deny its use

Cause the healings only 50hps

[pearl halo]

Also the new roles in roles is cool ngl

Most of them sound super strong

[wise grotto]

Other then dive tanks beinf dragged out back and shot

the headshot passive should be a natural tank thing imo

[pearl halo]

Yeah well

You know...

They wanna kill dive now

Promote dive -> kill dive -> promote dive

Endless cycle

[wise grotto]

This seems unintentional especially with how busted Winston’s minor perk is

Like
Nobody is escaping Winston if he gets you now

[pearl halo]

The speed one?

[wise grotto]

Yea

For a minor that’s insane to me

[pearl halo]

Yea ngl most of the new perks sound really good

Some even look insane, like the ball one ☠️

[wise grotto]

I haven’t gotten far in csuse I honestly didn’t like the dude who was explaining them very much

[pearl halo]

Lifeweaver got thrown into a pond full of mud btw

They removed his redeeming perk : cleanse 😭🙏

[wise grotto]

Them not makinf it base kit still is wild to me

At least he keeps superbloom

Still the mustpick Lw perk

[pearl halo]

I js watched a keqc smth vid in ×2 ngl

Pausing every now and then to read

Also kiri got her cd recharging suzu removed 🙏 good thing ngl

[wise grotto]

YOOOO

[pearl halo]

Now it movement speed +40% for 4 sec

[winged scaffold]

Vendetta’s lore is so weird
Her pops gets killed and for some reason she wants to conquer the world because of that?

[azure flint]

not the world just talon

[pearl halo]

From what i got, she is more sad abt losing what she "owend" (a huge part of talon) rather than her dad

So she took back what was lowkey supposed to be her's and doomfist stole

[azure flint]

she's sad that her father was killed but also feel like her heir to talon was stolen by doomfist

which is why she kills him and takes over talon because she's seizing what she believes belongs to her

[pearl halo]

He 100% alive btw

Some tibetan monk technique helped him survive without an arm and he will be back later to take back talon

Will most likely be next season 1 imo, and we will have talon civil war

Doom talon vs vandetta talon

[winged scaffold]

Perhaps ramattra helps him

[pearl halo]

Maybe

Or maybe, by the power of plot, zen saves him or smth

Not alot of people will save doomfist

[winged scaffold]

I just hope we wont get a redeemed nice version of doom
It will suck so much if so
Better have him dead than that

[pearl halo]

Nah i think he will want to kill vandetta and take back talon and be like a dictator in a way

[azure flint]

doom is 99% not dead

[pearl halo]

Imo his side will be him, somra, sig (obv). Vandetta will have moira (who brings with her amelia and reaper since they cant survive without her) max and mauga that doesnt care

[azure flint]

no body no death

[pearl halo]

100%

[winged scaffold]

Mauga and moira got a bit too happy by his “death”

[pearl halo]

Moira doesnt really care

Max even said it in his cinematic

Tho doom threatened mauga when he was first recruited or smth, so he is happy he's gone since his tyrant boss isnt here now

Correct me if im wrong abt this btw

Also the way somra was flabbergasted every second 😭

[wise grotto]

Mauga likes fights

[wise grotto]

Mauga and doom fought to a draw which is why he got hired in the first place

Mauga doenst care if he doesn’t get to fight more or less

[pearl halo]

He cares abt bap tho

[wise grotto]

Well yea

[pearl halo]

I think ow will have a role in helping doom, but with conditions that he will break when he hets talon back

[wise grotto]

But aside from his best friend who he’s been hunting

Mauga likes fighting and that’s about his significant part he was excited csuse he got t watch a fight

[pearl halo]

Would make sense

Makes sense totally acc

Btw im so sad that blackc suit isnt an ingame skin

Looked so fucking cool on doom

[wise grotto]

Same honestly

[junior furnace]

self insert OC

vs character with years of lore who leveled numbani on a crisp afternoon and wet toe to toe with primal winston

who would win

[dry pebble]

John Overwatch

[elfin bane]

guys

omnic hero soon

https://bsky.app/profile/connoisseur13.bsky.social/post/3me5e462js22r

bruh no embed

whatever

in the picture with the silhouettes plus the 5 we know

you can see a noir detective looking guy with omnic lights

[amber rivet]

self insert oc apparently

[visual axle]

What if doom is pulling a metroman

[turbid crest]

genuinely tuff like im getting on my knees from the sheer aura hes emitting

[blissful lotus]

IS THE CAT REAL OR AN ELABORATE RUSE?

[peak escarp]

she's real

[strange trout]

top 3 overwatch lore blunders
1: water college????
2: kiriko
3: Vendetta beats doom

[peak escarp]

what's wrong with water college?

[wise grotto]

Nothing it’s just funny

[dusk granite]

actually come to think of it, how does water work and how wuyang controls it?

[wise grotto]

Excerpt for specifically China doesn’t like there lore that kuch since it’s an oversimplification of stuff but
Otherwise more so csuse it’s funny

[dusk granite]

like surely there's science in that explained

that i just didnt read or check

[wise grotto]

It’s kinda just the things they use to control fire modified to do it with water to
It’s not explained in depth other then it being modified tech

[peak escarp]

his weapon has a condenser in it that pulls water out of the air

and something something tech lets him control it

[dusk granite]

ok atleast there is something for it, letting it slide since he's pretty recent

seeing mizuki helps refresh kiriko honestly becausae wtf was the hashimoto really doing? now we have a character for it

[rare trail]

bruh

doom was not locked in

[wise grotto]

His weapon flows and he’s got the robots on his body for these to kinda make sense

He’s still got more going for him then kiriko just DOING it

His at least can be seen in similar lights to genjis

And Hanzos

Kiriko still does not have this consistency

[brittle sky]

Man is insta-defecting. Didn't even come out before they spelled out his entire arc.

[wise grotto]

I mean his purpose is a double agent and we haven’t gotten the REAL hashimoto goons yet

[brittle sky]

Double agent with the biggest "gonna swap sides" sign spelled out on him

[wise grotto]

I@mean

Look if it’ll flesh out the hashimotos and yokai I don’t even care it’s predictable at that point

[brittle sky]

I just think they could have dwelt a little bit in character development before immediately swapping to divided loyalties

[wise grotto]

Literally just wanna see kiriko get fleshed out at all without it being constant reminders she’s 6-8 years too young

[wise grotto]

I mean
Honestly even if they didn’t point it down it’s clear by his character design alone Nevermind the rest

[shrewd pivot]

Apparently Emre's ult line is in Finnish, so the 'chernobog being connected to the eye conspiracy' theory might be true https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Chernobog

[brittle sky]

I mean if he's infiltrating the yokai you can read that as his disguise

Bit of a pity he seems to be going hard on anachronistic ninja elements rather than start distinguishing the hashimoto aesthetically with more modern sensibilities. But again maybe you read that as him dressing up for yokai, and clearly the anachronistic weapon is to give some technobabble on shimada tech.

[wise grotto]

Yea the technoblade I love
The chains symbolism is my favourite part csuse it’s the least yokai about him and they’re wrapped around his body in specific spots (aka he’s chained to one side by his own want to prove himself)

That’s my interpretation

[brittle sky]

I mean a kurisgama is a very ninja weapon

[wise grotto]

I mean yea
It’s just a sick weapon there

[shrewd pivot]

I said this before but lol for anyone new reading:

The Wuxing college in overwatch does not represent Wuxing philosophy correctly. Wuxing is about harmony of all elements, in Wuxing if one element is too strong it is believed to cause illness. Aka "fire college" being a superior prestigious college to "water college" makes no sense for a Wuxing university. Also, fire college should NOT be the only college teaching martial arts. Each element in Wuxing represents a philosophy, and such philosophies have gone onto inspire martial arts as seen in: Water serpent, Fire tiger, earth mantis, metal monkey, and Wood(includes wind) Crane in Shaolin king fu.

Water in Wuxing is represented by the color black, Wood element is blue/green. A dark blue for Wuyang's water college would have worked, but they have the Wood element color green/blue. It makes no sense beyond being cruddy westernization of Chinese culture.

The overwatch Wuxing college is not just a botched attempt, it is antithetical to Wuxing philosophy and does not represent a Wuxia hero well. It is not relatable to Wuxia fans at all. For context, Wuxing is 'chinese alchemy' and a core spiritual foundation to Taoism and other religions.

[shrewd pivot]

I hope any of Emre's Turkish lines are pronounced correctly atleast :( I saw some people saying he didn't have a Turkish accent in Turkish lines they heard (saying he had a different kind of Arabic accent but not Turkish accent) but I don't speak Turkish so I cannot determine this.

[spare fox]

doesn't it get exhausting nitpicking and criticizing everything like

you're actively looking for things to complain about

[dry pebble]

The voice actor is turk by himself no way they comparing it to be arabic

I'm pretty sure its Ult line confused them

[dry pebble]

Who you are saying this to

[shrewd pivot]

Honestly I agree with you about Emre being disappointing in visual design. His design is very "safe" in the sense that he is on par with Soldier76. His cable scarf looks very silly imo. I don't like his new hair design + scarf, it doesn't really sell his hero fantasy as much as other silhouettes could. You CAN tell he's got some kind of mind control thing going on, but only because of the tubes in his arm and giant eye plastered onto his chest armor (and if that eye shows on his chest 24/7 in canon it's very ooc because everyone would be able to tell he is eye conspiracy at a glance, like Sombra). He feels highly "Bucky Barnes Winter Soldier" while looking like a Blackwatch Genji + Cassidy fusion, not anything "new" or unique on his own, like how Reaper is iconic in design. (If Emre is a Muslim man, it's a bit odd to have him in skin tight pants for fanservice. If he isn't Muslim, then it's fine. It's like how Ana had some semblance of dressing more reserved considering her cultural background). I wish he had a full beard because 1) Turkish men have facial hair lol, and 2) they were going for a 'grown out hair' look with the new hairstyle, it looks pdd without a full beard to match. I wish he had more cybernetic aspects, like wires growing "into" his skin on his face to further sell the "brainwashed" aspect. Honestly if he had a Cyborg (Teen titans Cyborg) vibe of metal pieces as his face, it would have made him more memorable and sell the idea he is being brain controlled like a borg. I also dislike that they changed his original dark hair to now be light brown.

[dry pebble]

I'm actually happy they didn't used puffy mustache stereotype for him as a Turk myself

But thanks for putting my thoughts on word correctly you greatly described it

Also the last sentence of color changes you mentioned is truth nuke

[shrewd pivot]

If you care about something, you critique it because you want it to remain at current quality ir improve in quality over time. If you are indifferent on the quality, that's when things get bleak. Once a media hits audience indifference it's lost the magic that gets people hyped about the series.

I am extremely hyped to see Emre lore, i have made that clear before! I want to see the eye conspiracy and I think it's great to bring Emre as a callback, into the roster. I am hyped for an Istanbul map since Emre's lore shows us the area.

[dry pebble]

Is there ever will be an Istanbul map tho

[shrewd pivot]

Oh not like puffy mustache, just full beard where the mustache blends into the beard. Emre was meant to look unkempt and disheveled (not like himself anymore... drama™) so he wouldn't be styling his mustache imo haha

[spare fox]

ultravioart the guy finding problems everything

[dry pebble]

Yeah, makes sense

[dry pebble]

They simply critiques things

To be fair there was lot thing to criticise of in the new spotlight as well so i can't blame em

@shrewd pivot I want to hear your thoughts about my design idea of giving Emre a mechanically modificated Eye built on his forehead instead of torso to wield the "third eye" fantasy to character but also to ensure third party emulated thing.

[shrewd pivot]

Am I supposed to say only positive compliments? I'm not shitting on overwatch, I am critiquing the issues (ie, writing botched moments which is pretty objective) and sharing personal ideas on how character design could showcase hero fantasy better (ie, full beard on Emre too sell that he's "overgrown"not taking care of himself like he used to, showing he has changed from S&R days)

I compliment overwatch a good bit, it's just that debate over critique with others will inevitably make it out like im talk more critique than compliments.

[shrewd pivot]

I feel like they should have incorperated the eye conspiracy in a less obvious way. The third eye motif might be interesting, but it should be 'hidden' in some way until he gets mind controlled to show the eye conspiracy is

They seem to be referencing 🧿 Nazar bc he is Turkish im guessing.

Imo? He should have had one mechanical eye, one human eye. When he's himself his mechanical eye is closed and his human eye is open. When he gets controlled, his mechanical eye should open and his human eye should close. Or something around that idea, doesn't have to be canon and can be an ingame thing only, just shows that Emre isn't in control.

[dry pebble]

To be fair being controlled or not doesn't even that much of a thing in design its just one visual effect gets enabled in Ult

If the character's moveset was actually revolved around him going from controlled to conscious case it would better

For a long awaited Hero, Emre's moveset is pretty dull. I expected better from them

[shrewd pivot]

I think his ult is implying he's "being controlled" because of the Finnish ult oine and eye conspiracy logo showing up

[spare fox]

I feel like his moveset was always going to be a soldier-esque point n shoot tbh

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah I didn't expect Emre to be Mr.Destiny dps with no healing allies utilities, I expected some kind of tactical support bc he was in search and rescue

[spare fox]

it reminds me of the gun mechanics in Killing Floor

[dry pebble]

I also find it so weird

Cause as well as i remember Emre was a tactician right??

And before his release i was specifically hopping for him to become on ingame as well

[dry pebble]

Me and you is in the same deal right now

[shrewd pivot]

Yeah Emre was one of the first ppl recruited to og Overwatch, he impressed Overwatch with his skills he showed in the military, he had an interest in security systems in his time with Overwatch Search and rescue, and worked in Overwatch search and rescue with Freja.

I expected him to be a support, but DPS makes sense enough.

[dry pebble]

I would like him to still work for Conspiracy, but instead of being a soldier he could be summoner type character with dropping off spawnables

Like Torbjorn, or Symmetra. Ash

[dry pebble]

Emre is incredibly butchered for bait and it makes me so sad.

[shrewd pivot]

I DO like that he is actually being controlled by the conspiracy bc that is a new lore worldbuilding fact we haven't seen before, an organic human being remotely controlled by ai(seemingly ai, but even if its another human, the remote control is different from Widowmaker's situation)

[dry pebble]

I also like that too

Another god program controlling Human, and Emre is the one taking spot is great

[shrewd pivot]

He better not be Muslim bc why are we sexualizing a Muslim man's ass in tight pants like that. (For reference to anyone reading: a Muslim man's modesty is usually belly button to knee area, nothing skin tight like booty shorts lol. For Muslim women, it varies, but loose clothing is usually a norm, and hair being covered isn't unusual.)

[dry pebble]

Its just everything else you know, it really doesn't whelming the expectation

[dry pebble]

Not all Turk Muslims have to directly associate theirself with the clothing roles of their religion

He is a cybernetic soldier that's why he wearing that, you are looking too deep to it and Muslim thing is unrelated

[shrewd pivot]

I agree, but since Ana has some semblance of it (Egyptian Muslim culturally), so I bought it up for Emre. It's definitely a wide range of dress styles in Turkey compared to other countries.

[dry pebble]

In that sense Ana's hair shouldn't be viewed due to her religion

[spare fox]

and even if he is muslim - IF - I don't think a cybernetic mind-controlled person really has a whole lot of free will going on - not to mention that you're totally disregarding individuality

[shrewd pivot]

It varies, women can cover or not cover at all ofc. It's just notable that Ana was designed with lose clothing and a head covering of some kind considering her background.

[dry pebble]

So is Emre

I don't think its a problem for people to jokingly compliment Emre's bottom.

[spare fox]

loose clothing doesn't necessarily mean muslim though - loose clothing is typical in hot environments and goes back way before islam conquered those regions

[shrewd pivot]

In her early concepts, she had a gas mask design showing no fave/hair. It became a skin actually!

[dry pebble]

Oh yeah i know that

I wish we still could've been gotten characters like Ana

She is so perfect

[dry pebble]

Looking at you Domino, it should've been Sanjay not you

[spare fox]

hard disagree- Domina is amazing design-wise and probably my fav OW2 hero hands down (no pun intended)

[rare trail]

also ana was/is hiding her identity

[wise grotto]

Sanjay is a basic ass white dude I do not see the appeal for him without retconning his appearances to make him look more fitting as a hero

[spare fox]

sanjay always came across as a wormy twerp to me I never wanted him as a hero

[rare trail]

yeah sanjay is in the same boat as max

[spare fox]

I'm so glad they went the Domina VP direction rather than sanjay as a vishkar villain character hero

[dry pebble]

Mentions wouldn't be bad

Game has two Vishkar heroes, could've use a Villain in rove

[wise grotto]

Well with them more likely increasing lore these side characters will be mentioned more often which is kinda the point of more lore

[dry pebble]

Still would like Sanjay better, Domino feels to basic. Average Prick girl type thing to me

[wise grotto]

Domina is a lot more compelling as a big villain driving force for a giant corporation the Sanjay without fully redesigning like everything about Sanjay

[shrewd pivot]

I am aware, I am just saying old Ana does count as Hajabi/Hajabi adjacent design. Hajabi women can easily cosplay the Shrike skin, for example.

It's not like we haven't had religions represented in overwatch before. Reinhardt is Brigitte's godfather. Kiriko is a Shinto Miko Shine Maiden. Wuyang is heavily suggested to be Taoist. Symmetra if not Hindu, is atleast culturally Hindu bc of her kathak dances (kathak dances are a story telling dance originally done at temples to tell the stories of Hindu religious texts).

Illari is dressed according to Quechua modesty standards in her armor, and probably believes in indigenous Quechua spiritual beliefs.

Efi and her family follow Yoruba beliefs and Efi and Doomfist have the Yoruba culture face paint.

Mauga has his Pe'a, etc etc

[wise grotto]

Ana looks honestly more like what I’d expect a sniper trying to lay low would like like in most situations

Back in ow she was on a team and didn’t need to hide herself to do her job still

Post ow she did and her outfit feels like it leans into that more then anything else

[dry pebble]

Her moveset made around being a mother

That's her key element

[wise grotto]

Which quite a few of the ow members outfits leaned into what they had to do or what happened to them post ow

Infact I think other then freja they’re all fairly obvious on how things went for them post ow (and soj)

[spare fox]

I'm sorry, Domina basic??? what planet are you on? there is nothing basic about that woman

[wise grotto]

Some like mercy didn’t really stop being heroic

[wise grotto]

Especially compared to what’s literally meant to be a basic looking character

[dry pebble]

If we ever gotten Sanjay i would love him as an evil, dexter like nerd whose always gets bullied by Symmetra and Lifeweaver

[wise grotto]

Some like soldier went down a darker route and went into vigilantism’s

He would need an aggressive visual rework is sanjays issue

[dry pebble]

Comprehend what i said, im talking about her personality

[wise grotto]

Sanjay would need to be nigh unrecognizable to stand out at all

[dry pebble]

Why is that, isn't Vishkar heroes deal is their equipments not designs

He would just wear equipments that's all

[wise grotto]

Cause it’s a hero shooter and that’s a significant part of being a character in a hero shooter
You need to stand out

[spare fox]

same thing - there is nothing basic about her personality. She's actually the personality I expected for Vendetta but I love it on her as a hero it makes her stand out

[shrewd pivot]

Again, her og design didn't show any hair or skin. She was originally hijabi in design.
It's not like she NEEDS to be hijabi, it's that her design comes from that influence, and remains hajabi friendly in cosplay. Ana is Egyptian, and if Pharah's Bendoin skin is indicative of heritage (like how Pharah's regalia skin was indicative of heritage from her father), Ana might be Bedouin.

[dry pebble]

He would stand out what makes you think he wouldnt

[spare fox]

because he doesn't

he doesn't stand out, that's why he wouldn't stand out

[dry pebble]

He doesn't as a lore character he would as a pvp design

[dry pebble]

Nice repetitive hero personalities

Slandering Sanjay because of Domino gotta be crazy

[wise grotto]

No he’s just a basic visual character
He would not stand out in any way if you put him in the cast

[dry pebble]

Are you really thinking to put him as the way he is on the game directly

Like when was the last time you have seen that happened, all characters be going through a designment

[spare fox]

agreed and he's simply not a fighter character
and yeah Domina isn't a fighter but there is some fight in her personality, that's why it works

[shrewd pivot]

Domina's design should have been a bit more than a regular lady with floating arms, but imo Sanjay probably would have been more boring compared to Domina's floating arm gimmick. I am glad we got Domina bc her lore as granddaughter will be a great exploration, but I also wish Sanjay wasn't unceremoniously written off like he was lol. That said, we haven't got a 💅 MOTHER™ in charge sorta character yet, and Domina fills that role and expression.

[wise grotto]

I said like theee times he’d need major visual rework to actually stand out at all in the game which would jsut be weird to fully redesigning a character

We don’t know Sanjay was written off csuse he’s mainly apart of Syms story and we haven’t got any expansion there

[dry pebble]

Yeah Ow revolves around Mary Joe now

[spare fox]

Sanjay wasn't written off, he's just not a playable hero
he's still there in the lore

[wise grotto]

Domina is an amazing design imo heavily because everything about her even moveset wise matches whoo she is more

[wise grotto]

She’s just not a Mary Jane character where are you getting the nepo baby who uses other people’s tech and doesn’t even want to touch the ground or do any work herself so much her arms reload her weapons for her

[dry pebble]

I'm fucking talking of Vendetta

[spare fox]

Domina's design is an amazing corporate in-charge character who doesn't like to get her hands dirty and they literally made that into her design. Chef's kiss

[shrewd pivot]

I mean, he was catching strays haha. My guess is that he won't be a roster hero.

[wise grotto]

Then why bring vendetta up when we’re mainly talking about Sanjay and domina

Like
That’s a different character and conversation entirely

[dry pebble]

You literally said that Sanjay was more apart of Sym story which Ow doesn't touch upon which is why Domino get in

[wise grotto]

Once we get to exploring more of vishkars issues I’m sure he’ll get a bit slandered but as a thing for sym to earn against

[dry pebble]

Is this mf serious

[wise grotto]

Yea Sanjay is a major part of Syms story and lore and how she’s gonna grow

[dry pebble]

I swear forgets what he types after one message from another

[wise grotto]

How does that relate directly to vendetta other then the fact vendetta mentioned him

[dry pebble]

Cause you meant that lore doesn't revolves around that i told that where it revolves around

[wise grotto]

What I said word for word is Sanjay is more apart of Syms lore which we haven’t gotten any expansions on yet

I didn’t bring up what. It revolves around

[dry pebble]

Omfg yes i know im not saying that

[wise grotto]

The message is here

[wise grotto]

Then why are you bringing up vendetta
Your adding things that weren’t even mentioned and then saying I’m forgetting what I typed when I’m actively just not talking about vendetta and the main big event going on right now

[dry pebble]

I bring that up cause you said lore doesn't expands around there at the moment

[wise grotto]

Now past that

I do wanna see more sym dealing with Sanjay in the future cause for the sake of both characters it would flesh that out a ton and probabky be more very visible expansion on them

[dry pebble]

Clearly

[dry pebble]

It's not that i despise Domino but isn't Sanjay is way more valuable as Talon council member to be a Hero

Just saying

[wise grotto]

Ok
But why if the conversations around the stuff that isn’t being focused on would you purposely decide to start mentioning the stuff it is

Vendetta doesn’t matter in regards to those two and vishkar isn’t a major part of the current story yet fairly clearly so I’m probably not talking about that

[dry pebble]

You are saying Sanjay is related to Sym in lore, which the lore doesn't expans on. Which is the way you justifying the addition of Domino, which leads to the Vendetta cause lore is currently revolves around her

That's why i mentioned her

It's not unrelated

[wise grotto]

Isn’t currently expanding on
Domina is much more interesting to expand on in the vishkar space because it shows us a side of the company we’ve never seen
If I wanted to talk about the talon parts of the lore in this situation about vishkar that’s a different side and conversation to me and to what I was talking about it’s pretty unrelated

[dry pebble]

Bruh

[wise grotto]

Unless I don’t know my own words and purpose when talking and you do

[dry pebble]

You simply can't comprehend what the oppose part trying to adjust it is arleady proved

[wise grotto]

You cannot comprehend someone talking about something and knowing what there goal and actually thinking about and when they tell you that somethings unrelated you refuse to accept that something is unrelated to what they where saying and focusing on

[dry pebble]

Okay

[wise grotto]

And then telling me I forgot what I said when it’s just you saying more then what I was talking about
I genuinely at almost all times could not care less about vendetta in the lore unless I’m forced to csuse she’s just not that interesting afyer how much they rushed her character changes and advancements

Speed running that shit like it’s Minecraft

[shrewd pivot]

I adore her concept but since Ramattra nemesis form exists with two big arms behind Ram already, Sigma floating exists and is more compelling pose wise (Domina just A poses, Sigma floats and walks), echo float parts exist (her wings act like Domina's arms do, i bet Domina's sitting emote will have her sitting in her arms, much like echo sits on her wings), and that Vishkar tech has prosthesis/gauntlets (Symmetra, Lifeweaver), the floating hands alone doesn't make Domina a PEAK design, but still certainly appreciated. I really adore Domina's hello animation, it's great character expression. But I don't like that she has blue nails like Symmetra, she should have had different color nails. I wish Domina had two prosthesis arms AND two big floating robot arms. Or, atleast two fully prosthesis legs and two big floating arms. Or, why not four floating arms? She's a regular lady design floating. Take away her arms (which are floating tech, not connected to her) and her design isn't particularly creative beyond "emma frost + tf2 administrator vibes". She IS a new body type, which I appreciate!!! But again, I wish her face had South Indian features (rounder nose) and i wish that she was allowed to look older, aka had greying hair instead of dyed yellow hair.

[dry pebble]

I would like her if she was old actually

[wise grotto]

I do agree she should be older
But her floating and arms impose more of a “doinf everything to look like she has power demands respect and is intimidating”
Rammattra isn’t trying to be intimidating
Echo is an advanced ai
And sigmas is to show his gravity abilities

[dry pebble]

Would fit her villanious type but fancy prick girl thing is also something

[wise grotto]

Wside from that even with her not looking as old as I wish she did I love her design a shit ton rn

[shrewd pivot]

Ig it's bc we got mage punk Symmetra and art deco Symmetra, I wish Domina did just a bit more with her "you are beneath me, I don't get my hands dirty" than art deco floating arms. And yeah, I wish she was older looking too. A tf2 administrator character would have been hilarious and so much fun

[spare fox]

Ramattra and Zen's extra arms are more evocative of insects (the hivemind imagery of anubis-iris led omnics as a whole(

[wise grotto]

Her animations and the fact all of her abilities are tech stolen from other characters who had extra things to do with vishkar

That’s what also sells it for me

She never reloads her own gun

Her boop is lucios fathers tech repurposed

Her gun is repurposed sym gun

The gem she throws is just the architects symbol that they usually use

[spare fox]

Idk why everyone wants older characters. OW1 heroes skewed way older, now they're correcting it for a more even distro of ages

[wise grotto]

I’m her case she looked just a tiny bit more intimidating when we thought she was older

[spare fox]

OW1 only had like 4 heroes under 30 (Idk the actual number but it's low)

[wise grotto]

I think if we never saw that it wouldn’t be on our minds

[spare fox]

She looks like she's about 40ish imo

[wise grotto]

In game no that’s not a 40 year old

Early 30s

There’s no way that’s a 40s character

She’s definitely not any younger then like 31

Also on the sym magepunk skin that does not look like a magepunk skin like at all imo

It’s the only standout skin from the set of steampunk magic stuff that looks more like a “classy fancy dressed sym” over any of the themes a the other skins are going for

It’s a nice skin

Doesn’t look like the same skin line

[shrewd pivot]

I mean. Not really insectoid? For null sector yes, but for Zenyatta, Mondatta, and even Ramattra, that's just robotic monk. Omnic hands have a circle in the center of the palm as a reference "Atla" dye patterns. Omnic forehead lights are a reference Shaolin monk burn scars on the head, and reference various body paint styles of holimen as well.
Ramattra is inspired by Sadhu holimen with his white mask+red dots, and "dreadlock" cables.

Ramattra's nemesis form actually just looks like a hulked out version of himself lol, his normal omnic elbows look like pecs to a larger body when his normal omnic arms are crossed in Nemesis form.

Multiple arms is a religious motif in various dharmic religions, no different than Mercy having angel wings.

[wise grotto]

Rammattras is meant to parallel the calmer monk kinda look her has with the enraged physical beast he becomes

He’s not as put together and whole as zenyatta in a very literal way

[spare fox]

yeah but Ram is also meant to evoke insects - look at his cape that looks like insect wings (bee or ant), his sectioned waist-torso, the extra set of limbs

Domina's VA Taj Atwal looks so much like Vendetta lol

it's kind of uncanny

[shrewd pivot]

...? Not even close, the actress has a longer face and completely different/thinner eyebrows.

[wise grotto]

She does look similar
Not identical but similar

Not even close would be more like comparing ventures voice actor to vendetta

[spare fox]

https://d27o7y1r7mnbwc.cloudfront.net/media/uploads/clients/taj-atwal/images/gallery/2025-11-10_151647_250822-TAJ-ATWAL-S06-017.jpg esp like this photo

[brittle sky]

There are more people south of 30 than north of 40

[shrewd pivot]

More old women pls. We have enough teens and 20s-30s.

[wise grotto]

I want more omnics personally

Omnics that aren’t apart of the big two sides of the coin on the omnics

And one that isn’t bastion

Explore that world a little bit

[brittle sky]

what are you talking about. It's not like we just tried to have a major storyline whose central question was the status and fate of omnics, and how they are in society

[wise grotto]

Yes but I wanna see it from the perspective of one of those omnics

[shrewd pivot]

I think you are missing that Vendetta's nose is a stylization of Italian's noses that are higher up on the face. Taj Atwal has a longer face and longer nose. (Beautiful ofc! I'm only intending to describe differences of face shapes)

Example of various Italian actresses, note how for many the nose is higher up on the face with a shorter midface, which Vendetta is a stylization of: https://www.discoverwalks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/collageactresses3.jpg

[brittle sky]

no I agree

I was sarcastically pointing out how not even the big omnic centric storyline got more than a single omnic character

[wise grotto]

Like I don’t even care so much about the null sector invasion I just want a normal life story for one and I do know for a fact one of the heroes on the list for this year are an omnic

[spare fox]

omg you are being so annoying

[wise grotto]

One of the 3 im@most excited for was domina at third
The fuck off giant robot at second
And the omnic with a cane in 1st

[wise grotto]

It is not this serious someone just saw similarities in faces

[spare fox]

water is wet

[brittle sky]

the null crisis was the perfect time to examine that though.

hey, cool it with personal attacks cakes

[wise grotto]

True
But we’re getting one now and there’s mo way he doesn’t hav somewhat of a thing going on there relating to it

[wooden drift]

Already getting it...

[wise grotto]

Yes I know doesn’t change I’ve wanted it for a long time@

[shrewd pivot]

?
Taj Atwal has a long nose and long midface, thin eyebrows. Vendetta has a short midface and higher set nose, thick eyebrows.

I genuinely don't see the resemblance beyond skintone and wavy hair. The mouth, maybe?

I don't get how I am being annoying.

[wise grotto]

Again it’s not that serious your looking into this and over analyzing what’s as simple as “these two faces are a little similar”

[spare fox]

what personal attacks?

[spare fox]

this exactly, don't need an essay rebuttal for just a casual off-hand remark

[peak escarp]

I think she looks kinda similar

[wooden drift]

Ye that guy likes to yap, me think

[shrewd pivot]

@spare fox said "Domina's VA Taj Atwal looks so much like Vendetta lol
it's kind of uncanny"

That's not "these two faces are a little similar" it was saying an uncanny resemblance which is a highly similar resemblance.

I was expressing confusion and informing that Vendetta is a stylization of Italian noses that are higher set. I wasn't being annoying I was just pointing out that Vendetta's nose was a stylization...?

[spare fox]

oh my god.

[wise grotto]

It sss still an off handed comment you went into a full essay on which was what other people found annoying

[shrewd pivot]

Do you want me to just talk in short sentences I am not understanding what I'm doing wrong.

[wise grotto]

It wasn’t remotely serious

[shrewd pivot]

??? If I am annoying, that's serious. I don't mean to be annoying.

I'm just trying to communicate.

[spare fox]

you're coming across as argumentative and it's annoying how you have to ping with an entire essay

especially with a casual remark how the one VA looks like a different character I'm not arguing a doctorate thesis here

[shrewd pivot]

I don't mean to be argumentative, I was just confused.

You all do know I am autistic right (my bio states this. ASD symptoms include social communication issues/missing social cues), I'm genuinely not trying to annoy anyone.

I will write shorter sentences then, pardon.

[wise grotto]

When it’s an off handed comment at t he very least
Like during the actual lore conversations it makes sense

[shrewd pivot]

Ok, I will keep things short sentences if it is not lore related.

[peak escarp]

anyway

back to lore

[fallow mantle]

I really love Domina's design, she looks like Recluse from the old concept art to me

[peak escarp]

when we first saw her I was hoping they'd go more into that design

but Boss Lady with Arms is good too

[brittle sky]

yeah her literally having a big contraption of arms carrying her around woulda been cool

[spare fox]

yeah I think they really nailed it with the whole corporate nepo-child who is "above everyone" and "doesn't like to get her hands dirty" design it really works well

[wise grotto]

She kinda to me makes me think of an Aurelia type character

[peak escarp]

I look forward to seeing what emotes they come up with for her