lore-discussion

[digital linden]

i desperately want a junker support

i’ve made a few concepts for one😭

[dim ore]

Anyone have advice to a new overwatch fan on where to start in the lore?

It’s very confusing to me

[peak escarp]

read the comics, watch the shorts

there's lists in the pins

[dim ore]

Okay thank you

[grave frost]

There’s also the story thing in the actual game that has the new stuff

[bold fern]

who is a better leader, doom or winston?

[twilit patrol]

Definitely Doom

[spare fox]

But like... what does Doomfist do?

The only thing we've seen him do is steal the gauntlet and wreck up numbani

And kill Viali... none of which he used Talon really for

What's the plan, man?

[dim horizon]

I love Winston but I don't know if I would say he is the 'leader' of new Overwatch.

He sent out the Recall of course, and he played a bigger role than anyone in bringing everything back together, but it feels like Sojourn has stepped into the "commanding officer" role more.

And everything we know about Winston suggests he prefers it that way.

[bold fern]

i deadass thought winston was the leader the whole time

💀

good to know its technically soj

[dim horizon]

Since nu!Overwatch is more of a "scrappy band of heroes" than old!Overwatch, it's generally more of a democracy anyway. Whole team gathering around a mission table, making decisions on what to do next, etc. But Sojourn seems to be the one calling most of the shots as she's got the experience and skillset for that kind of tactical oversight.

[bold fern]

doom voicelines make him sound like a good leader but what has he actually done in lore with talon

[spare fox]

Idet he's done anything that shows he's a good leader

[merry mason]

That’s always been my problem with doom

If that leak is real I’m making him a potential man edit

[past copper]

Cool concept for a Lucio mythic, but highly doubt it will happen

It just seems too close to what Lifeweaver got

[wise grotto]

Other then the effects it kinda looks like a fancier satyr skin honestly

[elfin bane]

real

looks way better than saytr tho

[elfin bane]

wait this is not https://discord.com/channels/94882524378968064/168567769573490688

[glad fox]

Is there a reason why kirikos and genjis age is so far apart despite them growing up together? Or it's just a lore mistake

[peak escarp]

they didn't grow up together

Kiriko trained with them when she was a child

[glad fox]

The wiki says Genji and Kiriko got into pranks and mischiefs together and as such which makes it seem like both were around same age

Even in the depiction in the art work which is from comics I think, they look just few years apart in age, not 16

Like even if we consider she started training at 5 genji would be 21. Doesn't make sense for them to train together

[spare fox]

The kiriko age thing is a dead horse the regulars are so sick of beating. Do a search on this channel and read past discussions. It's come up at least 5 times a week

[glad fox]

Oh. Just joined so didn't realize

[glad fox]

I assume he has been in charge of planning talons operations since he became the leader, which have been somewhat successful

[frigid latch]

shimadas age by dramas or whatever

something like that

[keen summit]

In short, her age doesnt really make sense but we just kinda agree on that

Not much more to it

[half robin]

What is doomfists sexuality? And would he advocate for lgbtq inclusion at talon? 🥺 #pride

[grand wedge]

Unknown - and it seems that there is no bigotry or racism in OW universe, only toward Omnics

[dense plover]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menzoberranzan_(video_game)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menzoberranzan_(video_game)#/media/File:Menzoberranzan_Gameplay_Img.png

which one of you did this?

[old robin]

POOTUISC

[azure flint]

sybau

[covert oak]

!!mute @old robin

[twilit nacelle]

✅ User 42067360216900 has been muted indefinitely. (Case #527700)

[median orchid]

Not sure if this is a real question or a troll question, but I will answer regardless.

There's no official definition for it in canon, but I like to think that he doesn't care what your sexuality, gender, race or religion is. Doomfist wants capable fighters. He only cares about if you can get the job done.

• Baptiste is canonically Bisexual. (Hes EX-Talon)

[frigid latch]

then what about mauga?

[silent rose]

I don’t think Maura has a canon sexuality?

[peak escarp]

we only have canon sexualities for 5 out of 45 heroes

even the ones in heterosexual relationships were never confirmed to be straight

[sturdy sierra]

I'd hope the writers give us a definitive answer at some point this year, but that part of the lore has been around for long enough, it's probably not gonna happen

[sturdy sierra]

Juno's only with Overwatch out of convenience, right? Once she's secured the safety of her family, is she just going to return to Mars?

Or will she be an active member of the team?

[peak escarp]

unknown

she's got a connection with Mei, so she'll probably stay with her

[meager geyser]

Mauga sexuality is violence

[median orchid]

Truest thing ever said

[coarse ingot]

anyway still here?

[dim horizon]

That's where she's at right now, but once her family's safety is secure (and being around Winston is probably her best bet at achieving that) I expect she will have formed enough of a bond with "Terrans" to want to continue doing good on Earth.

She's still learning about Earth, but everything about her personality shows she is a fundamentally good person, who doesn't leave behind those in need. I could easily see her taking up the life of an Overwatch hero permanently for no other reason than to help more people, once her family is safe.

[glad fox]

Does Ramattra hate all humans or just those who oppress omnics? His action seem to be indicating indiscrimant attack on humans, but from his behavior and some of his voicelines, it seems he doesnt hate humans as such. Like his interaction with Sojourn where he says he wants liberation not destruction

[keen summit]

its less hates all humans and more hates humanity. humanity as in culture. so that includes not liking human gestures, but also includes most people looking down on omnics cuz theyre yknow, man made

hes intentionally supposed to be hypocritical too

Kace is a char who actually hates all humans. Ram hates humanity

best way to explain it is just well
Say a person hates china
this likely means they hate chinas leadership and culture, not all chinese people

[glad fox]

who is kace?

[keen summit]

some omnic connected to null sector

was in tracers comic series

[glad fox]

oh, havent read about him yet

[keen summit]

this guy

he legit hates ALL humans

[glad fox]

but even Ram's innitial message that he broadcasts on forming Null sector, he at least says he wants equality for omnics

which suggests he wants omnics and humans to have equal rights as such i think?

[keen summit]

yes

but in return he forces that choice, his "equality" plan upon all omnics

thats why hes a hypocrite

hes forcing his freedom onto omnics, thus taking away their freedom

[wise grotto]

Ramm is accidentally genocidal
Kace is just genocidal

[glad fox]

also some of his attacks like that on Numbani seems weird since Numbani already has mostly equal treatment of omnics

[keen summit]

ram can go "you are a decent person i respect you"
kace goes: HUMAN???!! YOU DESERVE TO DIE

[keen summit]

which is the point

look

ram is basically a person with good intentions but bad way of going about it

thats why hes a villain

he hates everything human, thus why he also wouldnt want a nationality and why he also hates things like someone placing a hand on his shoulder, human gestures

[glad fox]

also does he know that Talon killed Mondata? or he colaborates wiht them without knowing that?

[keen summit]

oh he knows

hell its kinda implied he mightve called it

but recent comic iirc deconfirmed it
it didnt,

anyways. to quote ramattra
"mondatta is just like anubis!"
and what does ram say ingame about anubis
"you shouldve destroyed it"

ram does NOT like mondatta in short terms

[brazen yacht]

junkrat is a girl

trust

taht's 100% lor

[visual yew]

Ow 2 lore in 2026 lmao how?? Pls blizzard give us a ow 2 show

[brisk drift]

for real

we need more

[peak escarp]

[wise grotto]

I love how this chat has said and repeated the fact there’s a msssive plan and whole team hired exclusively to expand on lore consistently and people just
Keep saying t he same 3 fucking things

[peak escarp]

yep

and those three things are:

• "who is the strongest hero?"
• "wft is wrong with Kiriko?"
• "lore exists? lol"

[bold fern]

how strong is juno overwat

[bold fern]

hey i ask unique questions :((

[peak escarp]

gravity on Mars is about 38% of Earth's gravity

[bold fern]

ty

[brazen yacht]

0 grav so..

[wise grotto]

38% grav as was said directly above

[wise grotto]

I don’t see the strongest one very often
But at least that one’s interesting

[peak escarp]

it pops up every so often

it's frustrating because we don't have a real answer for it

[wise grotto]

That one at least is interesting to analyze over “wtf kiri” or “lol no lore”

[peak escarp]

the lore doesn't spell out who is strongest, and a lot of the heroes have theoretical powers that have never been fully used or shown

their powers in the game don't represent their powers in the lore

[wise grotto]

That’s why I said analyze
We’ll never know but we can look close at what we have and guess

Like syms busted as shit but we only learned more recently through lore shes insane

[peak escarp]

Reaper got stomped by Winston twice because the plot needed Winston to win, but Reaper's powers are incredible

and Winston is just a genetically enhanced gorilla

[wise grotto]

Reapers powers are really@insane
Unkillable
Literal@infinite shotguns (maybe more he ain’t done anything other then those)
Intangibility
He’s just an idiot I think at times

[peak escarp]

heroes' power levels vary based on what the plot needs from them

[wise grotto]

Went from a level headed amazinf soldier to a fuckin in pain edgy idiot most of the time

[peak escarp]

rather than "who is strongest", I'd rather establish a scenario and try to determine who would win given the conditions

[wise grotto]

I kinda wanna see him fight for real
Same with tracer I feel@like doom never should have been able to casually grab her without her reacting at all

[peak escarp]

Tracer's movement patterns are fairly predictable

Doomfist timing his strike isn't that unbelievable

she was also pretty overconfident

[wise grotto]

True
Of all people I feel like against doom she wouldn’t be so overconfident
Like it’s doomfist himself

[azure flint]

is junkrat actually one of the smartest characters in ow

[wise grotto]

No clue probably not though
A good engineer
Not smartest by far

[azure flint]

would like to see the others make their own bombs smh

[wise grotto]

Mercy made healing technology
Syms a super genius
Lw created artificial life
Pretty sure dva made her mech suit so made a bigger bomb to
Winston created the thing keeping tracer alive

[peak escarp]

D.Va didn't make her mech, it was provided to her by the military

she does do maintenance on it

[wise grotto]

Ok wasn’t fully sure on that

[chilly prawn]

I wonder if Angela ziegler would like a cat like me

🤔

[keen summit]

Well recently its also finally shown its limits

[azure flint]

can we get a sym major perk or smth where she can make a hardlight bridge from that one comic

[keen summit]

Itd be cool but way too situational and id argue hard to code

[empty oasis]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EZQjkN8RuRs?si=8dIgv2jx3J9nwBN7

[empty oasis]

absolutely real

[austere rain]

brig dva IS cannon due to dokiwatch

[glad fox]

is there a lore reason why genji doesnt use his katana in combat other than his ult? or its just for gameplay mechanic

[merry mason]

It’s just gameplay afaik but it’s weird he doesn’t just use it from the start

[torn galleon]

I feel like he doesn't use it constantly because he chooses to. Could be because of Hanzo lore wise or as a "this is more dire" like with the giant robot in that one cinematic

While with hanzo it was used more of a emotional blow (although I know he definitely wasn't gonna get back up form the uno reverse dragon)

[dry pebble]

Not merely a Lore discussion, but is it possible that Ramattra most likely based off the Moses from Abrahamic religions?

Both for appearance and story, Moses's journey exodus is pretty similar within Ramattra taking his Omnic civilians from under the hirearchy of Anubis AI, which is also egyptian themed. To his own reign

Moses oftenly depicted as old man with long hair, beard and sphepherd crook in one hand. Which fits with Ramattra's visual characteristics as well

Considering the fact Zenyatta is also based off Indian buddhists this doesn't feel like a coincedence

Also recently learnt the fact Iris is same equiliviant as Jesus to humans to omnics. It is possible that lore of the omnic kind is following the pre existing human history.

[peak escarp]

I can definitely see the similarities

the shape of his staff even resembles a shepherd's crook

[dry pebble]

His concept art is heavily based off shepherds

I would say somewhat somewhat Maximillien represents Satan as third wheel but it would be too off the chart, feels like a forced theory.

[peak escarp]

eh, that's a bit more of a stretch

Max is just about money

[dry pebble]

Pretty much

[wise grotto]

Maximillian is one of two in game capitalism figureheads

The rich man
And the corporation are what we got highlighted

[glad fox]

Anubis doesnt control omnics anymore though

[peak escarp]

Ramattra thinks he's the benevolent shepherd guiding his people to salvation... but actually he's a dictator abducting people without due process and shipping them off (digitally) to somewhere "safe"

[elfin bane]

^

[keen summit]

Ive actually said this from the start

A corrupted moses

Even in his trailer the ending with the ships is framed as parting of the sea

[keen summit]

• cape

[dry pebble]

I have seen you mentioning it after writing that lol

As i decided upon searching it on the server

[dry pebble]

The AI Ramattra stood against is also being based off an egyptian god brings the theory further more

[wise grotto]

Named after an Egyptian god

[dim horizon]

Ha, I'd drawn the Moses parallel myself but never made the connection to the Anubis AI before.

I dig it.

[dry pebble]

That's why Ramattra's the goat

[keen summit]

yeah i think its really well done as a corrupted saviour motive

[dry pebble]

Ramattra's aircrafts bombing human cities, terrorizing and dispatching robot troopers to seize the control of civil Omnics may also be reference to 10 Plagues but this would be more of a stretch

We have seen Ramattra comic explaining that the plan is divided in parts and first of it is complete

And if writers relies more on this Moses symbolism spiced with corrupted saviour arc.

Imagine we see Zenyatta as Golden Bull symbolism trying to rescue Omnics under the salvation of Ramattra but it backfires and sets him as enemies instead

[waxen hatch]

"Noel dayi mentioned"

[neat forum]

are zen and ram related?

[digital linden]

no

pretty sure they just refer to each other as brothers bc they were in the shambali monks together + a found family dynamic

[dry pebble]

Noel dayiyim, delikanlıyım. Hediyemi beğenmeyeni? Sakatlarım.

[tawdry grotto]

i don’t think so, i think they’re friends (for a lack of a better word) but call eachother “brother” because they’re both omnics

[neat forum]

Ah I see.

[sturdy sierra]

The substance Hazard and the Phreaks stole from Oasis - what was it?

[ivory cargo]

Hi everyone! How yall doing? I’m relatively new to discord and overwatch in general. I was hopping if someone could give me a simple summary of the lore just to get started. If that’s cool.

[grand wedge]

Vanadium : https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24160499/

[grand wedge]

Watch Genesis first i'd say, to get what's the whole Overwatch world is about (here is the first episode - it's a 3 episode mini-series) https://youtu.be/PIYMn8eDskg , and then you can either read comics, watch animated shorts on YT

If you are interested in only few heroes, you can go check their biography on the official website : https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/

[dire dome]

Does anyone else ship Mercy and Reaper? ☠️ 🪽

[grand wedge]

What was the name of that ship back in the days… Mercykill? 🤔 haven’t seen it for years tho, I don’t sail on that one.

[brazen escarp]

nuhuh healhaw forever

[fallow peak]

I realised Lifeweaver personifies Chiang Mai really well

He is a scientist that protects nature

I saw so much nature and sustainable farming when I visited recently

He's also an artist. Really impressed by the massive art village in the city

[fallow peak]

Google Baan Kang Wat

[slim jolt]

Winston is a monkey

[spare fox]

I'm a very boring person i realize that but I've been wanting new OW org uniforms

Wonder if we'll see them in action in the 5 new lore pieces

[wise grotto]

Oooh I want that skin

[azure flint]

zarya joins ow

[mossy vale]

Gorillas aren’t monkeys! Lolol

[meager geyser]

Then what are they?

[mossy vale]

Aren’t they apes?

[spare fox]

They're scientists

[abstract owl]

Yes

They belong to the ape family

[meager geyser]

What's the difference?

[soft carbon]

Tails

[sage lake]

chat is there any lore behind cassidy?

[glad fox]

Is there a reason why junkrat and roadhogs interactions with junker queen are respecting her as a queen? When they tried to heist her and were kicked out of junkertown because of that

[wise grotto]

Cause she is the queen of there home and junkrat the only one she actually hates
He’s just also insane and really stupid in most ways

[marble charm]

Cass actually has a good chunk of lore about him. Iirc its a little smth like this

• Joins up with Ashes gang Deadlock in his teenage years and starts to commit petty theft with them
• At 17, Deadlock is arrested by Overwatch. Reyes/Reaper seeing how talented of a shot Cassidy is offers him an ultimatum. Stay in prison, or work for him as a Blackwatch Operative.
• Cassidy joins Blackwatch. He'll have been apart of various missions, many of which are probably in the books that I dont know of, but as a member of Blackwatch and Overwatch, he is trained further by Ana
• Cass is present and apart of the mission where Reyes kills Antonio, Vendettas father
• Overwatch falls and is shut down. Im not too sure what he ends up doing between Overwatch and his cinematic
• In the "Reunion" animated short, Cassidy reunites with Ashe and the Deadlock gang. He takes them out and then frees the cargo Deadlock were stealing. The cargo is Echo
• Now, Cassidy is one of the leading members of the New Overwatch following Winstons recall, where if I remember correctly, he has been one of the driving forces and first points of contact for recruiting new members

[peak escarp]

mostly correct, but Cassidy didn't join the Deadlock Gang - Cassidy and Ashe (along with Frankie and Bez) founded the gang together as teens

[sage lake]

ooo okay tysm

[sage lake]

cass pfp.. this MUST be true

[marble charm]

Ah shit how'd i slip on that LOL

Do we have much on what he was doing inbetween the fall and recall of ow?

Reunion is post recall right

[peak escarp]

his old bio said he was a bounty hunter or mercenary or something

[royal plinth]

Does anyone know how many parts there are to the "cage" of sigmas hyperspheres

The metal moving parts

[oak night]

My guess would be 7

[supple wedge]

Здраствуйте 😁

[wintry cave]

how does zenyatta tie into Overwatch, his bio just says he’s a traveler exploring the world or something.

[covert oak]

He got recruited by them and goes around getting the team to handle his zen balls @wintry cave

[spare fox]

Please don't shitpost

[covert oak]

!!ban @spare fox

[twilit nacelle]

@halcyon dagger has been banned from the server.

[spare fox]

His only tie to overwatch is that he trained/counciled Genji after he left. He also knows Sym and Lifeweaver, and obv Ram

But those guys aren't in overwatch, members of the org

[wise grotto]

He trained sym to I believe

[peak escarp]

not really - they met when Vishkar wrecked a statue of Aurora and Symmetra was sent in to fix it

[thorny hollow]

Is Echos duplicate actually lore?

Or is it just the set they gave echo game-wise

Cause Echo would be the strongest of all heros

[glad fox]

Was DVa the only mech pilot recruited into overwatch because she was like the best?

[grand wedge]

echo is a highly adaptive robot actually, but we never saw her "copy" another hero in the lore.

[thorny hollow]

Right

Thats why I asked cause she would have been the most OP

I mean if they infuse some type of light-concious replication with hardlight and her past experiences with wheover shes about to copy, I would think so?

[peak escarp]

D.Va was the only MEKA pilot recruited to Overwatch because she volunteered to go - the others had to stay and protect Korea

[covert oak]

Name checks out

[crimson escarp]

hou has the best story of ow? i think genji

[worn osprey]

widow cuz she a baddie fr

[little adder]

bastion cuz he a baddie fr

[deft echo]

Any tips with doom?

[spare fox]

wrong channel

[analog crag]

Sigma

[ivory sapphire]

is there ANYTHING on how cassidy lost his arm??

i’ve only seen theories

[peak escarp]

nope

nothing official

[rigid garden]

no

[glad osprey]

the closest thing to it I'd say is BOB ripping it apart

[peak escarp]

Bob wasn't involved

[vagrant patrol]

I know little about the lore but I find it awesome at the same time 💯

[keen summit]

I like rams, feels very intricate

Same with doom

[keen summit]

Icl sig lore is such wasted potential

Reminds me off chars that gey introduced as huge deals, interesting concepts to just be put on the back burner, forever

[analog crag]

Yeah true

[autumn hawk]

mei

[sudden wolf]

all lore in this game is wasted potential

it's a pity

[past copper]

They're literally gonna focus on lore again. Watch the Q&A streams man

[opaque egret]

DMs open

[keen summit]

sigmas more as theyve sat on it for years now

[spiral pilot]

Are Solider 67 and Reaper actually lovers?

I thought Soldier and Sombra were married in lore

[keen summit]

no

reaper had a wife and kid, but they think hes dead, soldier had a boyfriend who he left cuz he was married to his job

[spiral pilot]

oooohh thank you for enlightening me, my apologies

[keen summit]

no worries
to this tho iirc the only currently wed character is torb
widowmaker and reaper both were married
the rest im uncertain off but tracer has a gf and hazard has a gf aswell

[keen summit]

yknow lately ive decided to pick up looking at heroes names and their meanings
Marzia, Vendettas real name, is really cool cuz it mixes the roman god of war, mars with princess, basically its a shortened version of what she was and likely hwo she was seen by her parents
a heir (princess) of their weapons company (war)

[lunar mesa]

What is canonicaly the best Winston skin

Genuine question

[keen summit]

His lab skin as that is a canon thing

Else, base skin

[lunar mesa]

Oh alr

[glad fox]

How is freja tied to overwatch? Only that she works for Maximilian?

[median orchid]

The TLDR is that she was an Search & Rescue operative for the Overwatch ORG. She grew dissillusioned with the organization during its downfall and turned to bounty hunting.

She regrets being part of Overwatch as heard during hero interactions.

[left glade]

Doubt ow lore will ever meaningfully progress

It'll only expand

For new heros. But nothing will really conclude or progress

[spare fox]

they've been progressing over the last year

Juno, Soldier, Illari, Ram - recently had stories that moved forward

[lost wedge]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS577BJKX/

So this implies that tracer here's what sigma hears too

[silent lake]

is tracer taking dat monke dih or just friends?

what do we say people

[marble wedge]

i think they are friends mage

[silent lake]

with benefits?

[marble wedge]

maybe man

[silent lake]

winton dih

[marble wedge]

will see in the next short

[silent lake]

cant wait

[dark vessel]

um actually traces is canonically a lesbian and winston is a man

[silent lake]

🫰

[dark vessel]

so no i dont think she is.

[silent lake]

she a what

what is that

[marble wedge]

but winton a monke so maybe that doesnt apply

[dark vessel]

lamna shilloirefke re mpastarte

[marble wedge]

u know

[silent lake]

he speaking anohter language

idk what is that

[fringe granite]

winton dih 🤤

[silent lake]

tracer be like

we can create a story hear

i am winton

[dark vessel]

i am tracer

[silent lake]

you can be tracer

okay

3

2

1

[dark vessel]

...

[silent lake]

hey tracer

[dark vessel]

wipes tears h-hey winton

[silent lake]

w-what happened

WHO DID THIS TO YOU

monkey noises

[dark vessel]

sniffles im fine..

[silent lake]

tell me tracer WHO DID THIS TO YOU

[dark vessel]

breaks down EMILY CHEATED ON ME waaaaah wahh h wahhh

[silent lake]

monkey scratches butt

[dark vessel]

lesbian cry

[silent lake]

its okay tracer come here puts hand on shoulder

[dark vessel]

gulp winston chan?

[silent lake]

winton gets closer

sniffing

[dark vessel]

whats the matter winston san blushes

[silent lake]

tracer...

i-

like you looks shy away

[dark vessel]

get the fuck away from me you monkey.

[silent lake]

chases tracer

ults

[dark vessel]

blinks the cavalry is here

[remote imp]

delete ts

[fringe granite]

winton dih 🤤

[silent lake]

takes tracers hand do you like peanut butter?

[worthy rose]

I’m new here

[dark vessel]

blushes Cheers love...

[worthy rose]

how do I start

oh

oh

Role play?

[dark vessel]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[worthy rose]

Pause

[dark vessel]

HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[hallow furnace]

@solid quail

[opaque tundra]

Sir this is the lore discussion

[worthy rose]

This is too much for me

[dark vessel]

we were asking

[fringe granite]

winton dih 🤤

[dark vessel]

if there was any romance between winston and tracer

[silent lake]

new lore dropped

[dark vessel]

idk how it got to this

[worthy rose]

No way tracer into gorillas

That’s weird

[silent lake]

is she not?

[dark vessel]

i mean a monkey scientist that can speak is weird in and of itself no?

isnt anything possible

[fringe granite]

witnnon diugh how big 🤔

[silent lake]

tinkin

[teal wraith]

i dont feel bad for vendetta

her father sucked and she js followed in his footsteps

they could not make me feel sympathy for her idk man 😭

[silent lake]

watch tracer winston new trailer

[teal wraith]

uhhhm im too lazy can u send me the link

[silent lake]

scroll up

i made it with this guy @dark vessel

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[minor sapphire]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[peak escarp]

go do your weird roleplay somewhere else

[keen summit]

i mean they outright said ur not supposed to see her as a good person

[teal wraith]

when?

[wise grotto]

She’s
Evil
She wants control over an evil organization and is framed as manipulative and vengeful
She’s called vendetta
And she just murders a dude in her comic

They could not drive home that she’s a villain any harder unless they just said it outright

[keen summit]

they said shes evil and not supposed to be seen as good

vendetta is one of those chars where yeah, i get it, id probs even react the same in her shoes. but shes not good as a person and is never framed to be that

[median orchid]

I went to sleep and woke up to guys doing erotic human-animal roleplay in the lore discussion channel ... What happened here lol 💀💀💀

[median orchid]

I personally despise her personality, I cant name a specific thing thats wrong but im just going to say that her personality is like a edgy fanfic charecter with a revenge story.

[shy dagger]

The lore channel is way slower than the other channels so weird shit that gets posted here often sticks for a while rather than get drowned like in most talking channels

[spare fox]

yeah we get far too much shitposting here

[wise grotto]

Yea way too much

[abstract owl]

Anyone know if blizzard said they plan on doing all the old short stories as story times or no?

I’d love Bastet to be done

[peak escarp]

probably not

https://youtu.be/l0Cfph_DlPc?si=IcFAUg8tgWkMBlU3

new lore

it's a short one, but it explains how Wuyang and Anran were able to get Overwatch tokens when Overwatch is still restricted

[fallow mantle]

Winston!

That was nice, it was cute, a shame they only had 2 major art pieces - it would've been nice to see the other 'new' Overwatch heroes that aren't just Wuyang and Anran, but I know those two are pushed, hard

[peak escarp]

too soon to tease other heroes guess

[fallow mantle]

Oh yeah - I more mean, it would've been nice to see Juno, Lucio, Orisa, Zarya, DVa...I know they're not really considered 'new' NOW but they're 'new' as in they're new to Overwatch itself, and mentioned/implied within the story

[keen summit]

Okay yeah its basically a given anran is the next hero

[fallow mantle]

Even if it was just a quick flash of 'em

I imagine, myself, Emre will be the 10th anniversary hero - so q1 or q3/blizzcon - and we'll get Anran this year yeah. She's more interesting to me than Wuyang rofl but I'd really like Emre

[keen summit]

Its basically a given for her

Atp

[grand wedge]

The short story has a little more insight about Overwatch, and Sojourn trying to rehabilitate it : https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/comic/the-invitation/

[shy dagger]

Will this count as one of the 5 newly added lore pages

[median orchid]

Likely will

The Ramattra and Vendetta ones counted so id say so

[candid schooner]

[fallow mantle]

[median orchid]

I can confirm yeah its visible in the Story page.

[shy dagger]

Yea it just got updated

[abstract owl]

Why is it listed as a comic instead of short story

I’m excited to see them moving forward the story more and less concerns in the past

[peak escarp]

even for a short story,it's very short

[lofty cedar]

I dont understand why they released Vendetta before Anran... but if we get anran that would be so cool

[keen summit]

Basically confirmed

[turbid crest]

peak

[abstract owl]

I’m assuming they mislabeled it as a comic because even the video description says short story

[abstract owl]

Maybe she’ll be a tank as a suprise

But my money is on dps

[wise grotto]

She’s not the next hero I doubt
Since she doesn’t seem like an oddball

[covert harbor]

iirc, the oddball hero could be any of the three heros to come out this year. I don't think it was necessarily stated to be the next one after Vendetta.

With that being said I wish it was because I'd love to see another omnic hero in the overwatch roster.

But with the leaked echo voice lines pointing towards a more complete anran kit I suspect it's her.

[abstract owl]

Hope she’s tank

[covert harbor]

It would be cool if she was but given her size I don't know how that would work

[twilit patrol]

Nah I don't think she'll be a tank

She'd be a dps

[covert harbor]

Another DPS and we'll be having OW1 flashbacks

[slim wasp]

so what were the official ranks for Morrison, Ana, Winston and Vivian?

I mean in like terms of leadership how fucked up is winston going to china and recruiting

[slim wasp]

scorch the sky is too ambigous

but you prob right tbh

[abstract owl]

Please it’s been 1.5 years bro

Give me a tank

[peak escarp]

Morrison was Strike Commander, Ana was Captain (his second in command), Sojourn was also a Captain (she filled in as 2ic after Ana went MIA)

Winston didn't have a rank, which is why Sojourn is the one talking to the IJC now

[slim wasp]

I see
cause morrison is just a rogue now

[peak escarp]

Morrison has abandoned Overwatch to chase his demons

[slim wasp]

im pretty sure tracers rank wasnt in a leadership role either

[peak escarp]

plus they thought he was dead

[slim wasp]

so its just vivian

ana is also just out doing shit too
but they know shes around

[peak escarp]

Reinhardt was a lieutenant, but he was forced to retire after he botched a mission which led to the terrorist Hivemind getting away with what she wanted

[slim wasp]

the event omnic crisis mission or something we dont have the full scope of?

[peak escarp]

it's mentioned in Overwatch: Declassified

[slim wasp]

I have that book still in plastic wraps

[peak escarp]

read it

it's fantastic worldbuilding

[craggy thistle]

It is !!

I was just wondering when the next "spotlight" will be

[azure flint]

we dont know

maybe next month

but anyways that vid was interesting

did i understand it right that ow was legal again for a bit but now that ram retreated they face being illegal again

[twilit patrol]

I hope they announce another spotlight first

[abstract owl]

Yeah so they are still technically legal, but they are at risk for being shut down again, Sojourn is trying to get the council to allow them to remain open

[abstract owl]

Even after the null sector “retreat”

[glad fox]

are omnics completely made from inorganic components or they have some organic components? since ingame, same healing works on both non omnic and omnic targets. or is that just game mechanic and in lore same healing method wont work on omnics

[peak escarp]

it's just a game mechanic

omnics are completely inorganic

[craggy thistle]

I'll really would like to see a sumo guy as a hero

But idk

I think it will be way too many japan heros

[wise grotto]

Japans not invested enough in this for a sumo hero to be extremely well received
But maybe

[glad fox]

Yeah overwatch has more Korean and russian audiences it seems than Japanese despite more Japanese characters

German seems to be the largest outside us player base

[craggy thistle]

Oh i see

[wise grotto]

China Korea Saudi Arabia us are probably the 4 biggest countries for ow

[runic mauve]

do you guys think tracer hears the melody as well?

[tight bay]

i think rein is the strongest because he’s cool

in the lore

and in the game

[keen summit]

lets not go into powerscaling

[tight bay]

oh sorry

but he’s really cool

and probably 1-A in powerscaling

he solos goku

and vendetta

[keen summit]

all im saying is we get really tired of powerscalers here

[tight bay]

ok that’s all i had to say

THAT DOG OUT

[peak escarp]

no

[shy dagger]

But there was an interaction with her and sigma where tracer says “I do have a ring in my ears” after sigma asked her if she can hear it too

I think that’s why they’re asking

[elfin bane]

yea a ringing not a melody

also isn’t the melody literally not real

like he’s just hallucinating it

[peak escarp]

the melody is an auditory hallucination caused by brain damage

[shy dagger]

Ohh interesting

[shy dagger]

Then what’s the explanation for tracer’s ringing

[elfin bane]

it’s not like a bell ringing
it’s like a saying

you know when just randomly you hear a weird little buzz type thing

like tinitus

can happen when you hit your head or stuff

i assume it’s a side effect of her time traveling

but tbh it’s just a voice line prob not that deep

[tight bay]

i think the bell ringing means that reinhardt is cool

[covert oak]

The bell ringing is a sign for overwatch 3 the devs confirmed it

[frosty bramble]

does doomfist still have an arm inside the gauntlet? it looks like the elbow is way too far down for it to line up

[keen summit]

Well yes

But its a prosthetic

[covert oak]

The gauntlet cut his arm off. The gauntlet is his arm now. Moira connected his nerves to the gauntlet

[oak widget]

isnt peanut butter dangerous for gorilla ?

[abstract owl]

I thought I saw in an interview they may drop the 2 from the name and just go by overwatch now that 1 no longer exists

I am interested if the mobile moba will add any story elements

[peak escarp]

incorrect

Doomfist has a cybernetic arm under the gauntlet

[glad fox]

is there a reason why some heros use their codenames as the hero name while others use their real name?

like reinhardt is his actual name, but Angela uses Mercy

[abstract owl]

Why do some rappers use their real name vs those that have a stage name

No canon reason beyond preference

[glad fox]

its kinda funny since no one really calls them their nick/code name in interactions

[keen summit]

depends

[visual cobalt]

Most People say the lore of this game isn’t very detailed or vast, would you agree

[wise grotto]

Not really
Most people don’t know about the short stories at all which is where a lot of the super detailed stuff takes place

[dusk granite]

it's not very detailed as people want it on the cinematics, it's more in depth with books though

[twilit patrol]

Nah

[visual cobalt]

My guess is most people’s main thing is you would miss out on most lore if ya only play the game and nothing else, making the world feel weak and empty

[dusk granite]

probably because overwatch wants to make the lore a thing for people who want to invest in it, not a thing to force for casual players or competitive players who only care about the game itself

[peak escarp]

people who say this don't know the lore

[spare fox]

plus those are the type of people who also play with music blasting in the bg over the game so they miss a lot of the nuance of the characters and their interactions, both during setup and during the match

[wise grotto]

Before match especially shows a lot of tiny interactions that flesh out characters

[spare fox]

and the "I don't wanna read" people where ok but that's the most in-depth you can get a character and story

yes, PvE would be better, but that's not happening

as would a series, but that's very likely not happening either

OW cinematics are generally 50/50 on whether we actually get lore or if it's just eye candy/showcasing a hero

and by "eye candy" I mean vis effects and action shown off

[forest juniper]

Should we make lucio getting a mythic skin next season lore? 🙏

[shy dagger]

These people only care about hype moments and aura. They get their “detailed story telling” in other fandoms through TikTok montages lol

[wise grotto]

I think it would help ow if there was channels that did deep dives on the lore but the public just thinks “oh no lore” and so that’s never been made

[merry mason]

There used to be some and there are some newer ones popping up but the interest seems to have died down

[glad fox]

Were Reinhardt and ana in a relationship? I don't see any official mention of that. But some of their interactions seems kinda flirty

[wise grotto]

No

Ana was in a different relationship with pharahs father rein as far as we know never has been they’re just long time old friends at this point

[silent lake]

what about winston and tracer lore?

[peak escarp]

Winston and Tracer are best friends

[wise grotto]

Yea
Winston built and created the thing keeping tracer both alive and connected to the actual normal flow of time at all

[silent lake]

i think they are dating

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[minor sapphire]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[silent lake]

?

why shitposting

am being fr

[peak escarp]

they are not dating

Tracer is a lesbian and Winson is a gorilla

[silent lake]

are you 100%?

[peak escarp]

yes

[wise grotto]

This has been established since at the absolute latest 2018

The lesbian part
The them not dating part is kinda just implied no matter what since again

Winston is a gorilla

[glad fox]

I also assume he must be neutered

[fickle lance]

Hey everyone, I’ve been in the server for a while now and wanted to ask for permission to screen share Overwatch when it’s needed (like for help, reviews, or just showing gameplay). I just wanted to make sure it’s okay with the mods and the server rules before doing so. Thanks!

[wise grotto]

This is not the chat for it and you need to be a regular to do thag at all

[keen summit]

those people dont put the time in

[pastel stirrup]

man what the fuck lol

[pastel stirrup]

😭

[shy dagger]

Where exactly is Numbai? Like I know it’s a fictional city and all but in what country exactly

[keen swift]

near nigeria

[peak escarp]

Numbani seems to be a sovereign state (like Vatican City) located within Nigeria

[shy dagger]

Ohhh that’d make sense

[patent moth]

i hope bastion gets more lore eventually

i want him to have friends

[silent lake]

i dont believe you

[remote wing]

was there ever a follow up to that symmetra and zen story? has she left vishkar yet?

[wise grotto]

She hasn’t left vishkar yet no

[remote wing]

how is a plot line started like 6 years ago barely progressed 😔

[peak escarp]

because they don't prioritize lore

[glad fox]

Tracer has a girlfriend, that's canon I m pretty sure

They even have sprays of them together

Btw is soldiers sprint ability due to his generic enhancement or he just sprints normally?

[peak escarp]

he's faster than the average human because of his enhancement

sprint being an ability is just for gameplay

[thick vector]

kiriko has the best lore hands down

[stoic jacinth]

Reinhardt ha the best lore

[thick vector]

why did you laugh half way through

[stoic jacinth]

shutup

[thick vector]

shut up*

[glad fox]

What is the reason that Aurora was able to transfer her sentience to all omnics? Are all omnics connected in some way?

[wise grotto]

At the time they where through anubis thag high jacked all omnics the first time
Aurora gave them all sentience through a similar method

[still bear]

Does omen have a lore?

[spare fox]

it's not explicitly stated, but yeah they say that all omnics are connected through Aurora's gift of sentience

[grand wedge]

They were all connected during the awakening, but didn’t stay connected after that

That’s why they say « we are all one within the Iris »

[glad fox]

So it's some kind of radio signal that they are connected by?

[glad fox]

Isn't that valorant? Or there's an omen in overwatch too?

[peak escarp]

Hero of Numbani indicated that omnics can communicate over a network (which Sombra was able to hack into to upload her virus)

so it's basically wifi

[still bear]

There is one in overwatch bruh how long have you been playin this game 🤦

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[minor sapphire]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[wise grotto]

This chat has been. So ass lately

Honestly there’s just been so many shitposters
I kinda miss the “why kiri tho”

[glad fox]

what is this supposed to mean?

[patent moth]

one of my personal headcanons is that kiriko's age plothole is real but its because shes just lying about her age to seem cooler

shes actually in her 30s but shes sort of having a midlife crisis so she just says shes in her mid 20s

[wise grotto]

Unfortunately some of the art that came out only really changed her age by like 4 years

[glad fox]

that seems liike something kiriko would do, at leas the ingame kiriko

[leaden hornet]

tru

[hollow oar]

100% agree

[keen summit]

She calls herself a kid in game

So yea

[grim condor]

Kiriko makes so much more sense in the lore if you pretend shes actually a 38 year old woman pretending to be in her 20s

[grim condor]

What the hell I literally just got on to say this and somebody beat me to it😭

[wise grotto]

She also makes more sense if you look at the art and realize that somebody made a typo that changes her age by like 4-5 years instead of 18

When you see the art kiriko is still clearly a solid amount younger then both of them

[grim condor]

Which still makes no sense💔 💔 💔

Dudes are pushing 40

[wise grotto]

If they where around 18 and 16 and she was around 6-8
Her being 21 when she should be like 27 makes sense entirely especially csuse she looks like that age in some of the art they’ve shown

They’ve just never properly fixed the number to match what most things show

If she was super close to there she’s shit would still make 0 sense

If she was in her late 20s it would make sense entirely

During they’re training an image shows hanzo probably around 19-20 at the time
Genji around 16-17
She looks around like she’s around 6 years old
She looks like a middle schooler in the art which only changer her age by around 7-8 years

Instead of 21 she should be somewhere around 27-29

[spare fox]

I'm hc/ theorizing that the kiriko in-game is a representation of her character as a young hero just starting out

So when she was 16-20ish

And the kiriko we see in the cinematic and Hanzo short story is a more wise kiriko, the one she is "now" in lore

Obv they have her age in her bio wrong

They do shift characters' personalities over time

Idk maybe the in-game Kiriko is giving us the "before" and in the future (now that she reunited with hanzo) we're going to start seeing the "now"

Once the lore gets into gear, that is

[keen summit]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xce8jzIpNVg?si=JcAdT_QzDPoBInhe

The ultimate plague of ow lore

Shorts and tiktok

"illari is second strongest!!"

[peak escarp]

wtf did I just watch

[keen summit]

yeah

my thoughts too

and the comments are typical

"Sigma is by far the strongest then illari and doomfist"
based on fucking what? illari who basically got overcharged with solar energy?

its just the whole echo chamber effect

[lunar mesa]

Sig is the stongest but I think kiri could shitstomp illari any day

[keen summit]

we dont know if sig is

at all

[lunar mesa]

I would think so

[keen summit]

the only thing we have seen him do in lore is lifting rocks

[lunar mesa]

He can control gravity

[keen summit]

yeah but we dont know to what extend

freja can also control gravity thanks to her cape

but with her its clear to what extend

[lunar mesa]

We don't know the extent of anyones powers we just go off of what there able to supposedly do

[keen summit]

we know alot of peoples powers though

sigma we know nothing

he could be anywhere between "i can lift a few rocks" which we know he can to "i can destroy the entire galaxy"

[lunar mesa]

Yea but what if zar could make a huge blackhole

We just dint knwo

[keen summit]

that doesnt matter as an argument

we dont even know a baseline for him

the only baseline we have is lifting rocks and floating

[lunar mesa]

I would say what he does ingame is a baseline

Why would they give him thinks he can't do

[keen summit]

thing is even there its unclear how much is his actual ability

[keen summit]

res

[lunar mesa]

Rez?

[keen summit]

yeah

mercy cant do that

yet she has it

[lunar mesa]

Thats because without it mercy would be usless

[keen summit]

echo cant actually copy people

but she can ingame

[lunar mesa]

Do we know that for a fact?

[keen summit]

the issue is that 0 of sigs abilities are ever shown in lore

[keen summit]

yes

she cant, she just copies how people act and their strategies

not their abilities

[lunar mesa]

Well who would be the strongest if not sig?

[keen summit]

orisa wouldnt be run over by mauga either

[keen summit]

from just pure stuff we've seen its between orisa winton and doom

sigma is theoretical strongest

[lunar mesa]

Then who is the actual strongest?

[keen summit]

Orisa and winton are around even but orisa v doom is unfair as shes specifically built to fight him

[keen summit]

orisa imho is icl

[lunar mesa]

Zar?

Reap?

[keen summit]

she can run faster than most humans, controls dozens of doomfist punch stopping shields, is basically invulnerable and is strong enough to just cut through stuff easily

[lunar mesa]

Fuckin widow?

[keen summit]

reaper is odd

as he cant die but also has basically only lost fights

its the whole "they dont die so they win fights by just, lasting"

[keen summit]

widow is super situationally dependant

[lunar mesa]

Can't widow just kill anyone with 1 shot?

[keen summit]

if she does have a long range shot and they dont know maybe

[lunar mesa]

Idk I'd say a bullet to the heart/brain would kill anyone in the cast

[keen summit]

but well, we dont know if she can kill orisa in one shot which is kinda a thing cuz orisa is insanely tough

[keen summit]

except that the bullets have been shown to be stoppable

sombra cinematic had it hit the wall and not penetrate

[lunar mesa]

I see the argument for orisa but who wlse

[keen summit]

doom is kinda the thing of does he know

same with winton

cuz winton barrier and doom would just run her down

[lunar mesa]

But it went through that one omnics head

[keen summit]

yeah, an omnic not built for battle

not built for yknow, fighting doomfist

[lunar mesa]

Still its metel

[keen summit]

and the junees

[lunar mesa]

?

[keen summit]

shield wielding bots orisa has control over

the same shields that could stop doom punches

[lunar mesa]

How would she know tho

Why would widow let herself be found before the shot is fired

[keen summit]

thats the entire point of this tho as i said widow is situational

[lunar mesa]

Not really

How is she situational

[keen summit]

yes in theory if she gets the jump etc most would likely die. But shes been spotted by random people. shes also inheritly leaning on needing the distance and the time + no pressure to do it

• if they do get close she just dies vs most

but this all is why "strongest" is such a stupid argument

[lunar mesa]

So everone is situational

Cuz anything can happen

Got it

[keen summit]

no?

generally when people talk about "strongest" they mean raw destructive power + defensive power

basically who can deal the most while taking the most, or just deal so much that they dont need to take anything

lw is another one who is theoretically absolutely busted

cuz though we now know that sym does have limits and we can presume he does too, he could still theoretically just shrink his bubble around people crushing them

[lunar mesa]

This is widow

[keen summit]

except that she needs certain circumstances to do so

[lunar mesa]

1 shot

[lunar mesa]

No?

[keen summit]

while others with "strongest" dont

[lunar mesa]

As long as you can be seen your not safe from getting snuck by widow

Anywhere

Anytime

[keen summit]

that still needs circumstances because say you are close quarters so just go inside somewhere she still needs an angle etc, she factually needs circumstances

[lunar mesa]

So the only way to escape from widow is for her to not have a angle?

[keen summit]

but in general its an useless argument cuz ingeneral as i said strongest is a flawed concept in ANYTHING

most people consider strongest just raw power

[lunar mesa]

If widow don't got a angle she can just wait for one

[keen summit]

widow isnt raw power. she can kill one person efficiently

[lunar mesa]

Widow has the raw power to 1 shot anyone

[lunar mesa]

Yea she has the raw power to 1shot her target so unleas we going 2v1 widow is the strongest

[winged jay]

I know I'm late to the party but Maximilien getting Freja to hunt down the last member of Overwatch is going to go so hard

[peak escarp]

Winstonis the strongest because he has plot armor

he can't lose

[shy dagger]

Hell yeah

[lunar mesa]

Nah u right af

Monke on top

[split needle]

Who yall think wins in a fight lore acc genji or lore acc reaper?

[peak escarp]

Reaper for sure

he's got decades more combat experience

although Genji could win if he manages to trigger Reaper's rage and cause him to fight more recklessly (like he did against Hanzo)

[wise grotto]

Reaper only fails when he gets mad
Otherwise reaper is nigh unstoppable he’s just got anger issues

Genji however is totally the kind to rage bait him very well

[glad fox]

Can lore reaper wraith anytime

[peak escarp]

yes

although it is something he has to consciously do - it's not automatic

so if he got incapacitated, he couldn't wraith

[split needle]

Isn’t he pretty much immortal?

[wise grotto]

Yea
He can’t be killed but hed be hella hard to incapacitate without getting him distracted first

[split needle]

So would be like top 5

Sigma doom Winston reaper genji?

Or maybe hanzo over genji cause isn’t he kinda nerfing himself by not using the sword

[peak escarp]

he can still be killed

[split needle]

How

Doesn’t his body just regenerate extremly quickly

[peak escarp]

but he can probably heal from any injuries that aren't immediately fatal

[split needle]

Ah Alr

[peak escarp]

a headshot would kill

[split needle]

Is that a widow upscale?

[peak escarp]

a headshot would kill anyone

[split needle]

Only reason I asked cause I was scrolling on TikTok and saw a lot of ppl say genji beats reaper which didn’t make sense to me

[peak escarp]

a sniper bullet or a handgun, doesn't matter

[split needle]

A robot vs a near immoral guy

Immortal

I would think only sigma doom and Winston can best reaper idk if that’s true but that’s from what I know

[dense path]

id tank it

[split needle]

WHO is bro

[dense path]

u dont see my pfp?

im yujiro hanma.

hmph

[dry surge]

then hitscan players dont effect you right

[glad fox]

He also was taking damage from Tesla canon in the short when in wraith form right?

[teal wraith]

wo

[fierce wave]

yo this might sound like an odd question but does anybody know the lore to Ana's Mythic skin?

[azure flint]

she died then her soul was put into the omnic body or smth

but her memories started corrupting it

smth like that

[fierce wave]

yo that really cool

even more reason for me to get her Mythic skin

thanks

[azure flint]

yes go ahead

its kinda overhated

[fierce wave]

EXACTLY

[elfin bane]

nah it was a talon recreation of ana because they wanted a sniper liked her but when they gave it her memories it started to become glitchy and stuff which is why when she kills peoples sometimes she’ll have voice lines that sound worried for them

or maybe null sector creation idr

p sure it has this lore in a side test when you look at the skin

*text

[fierce wave]

oh ok ok cool

[keen summit]

Sigma we dont know

[mellow narwhal]

Hello, do you think it would be possible for a character to appear in the game that was somehow connected to "movie magic," or would he be too similar to an intermediate option between Sombra and Symmetra?

And another question: do you think the game could explore an alternative to mechatronics/robotics in the form of plant-based technologies? Say, prosthetic artificial organs or even entire mechs grown from plant tissue, combining zoology and botany?

[keen summit]

I mean

[keen summit]

We have this

Lifeweaver uses hardlight mixed with organic matter, creating biolight

He can quite litterally create organic matter

[keen summit]

Further more, there very well could be, but they could just be someone who uses say hardlight or nanites etc for it

[mellow narwhal]

Well, for example, a human reactor whose body undergoes reactions controlled by artificially implanted symbiosis with external digital control, and a scientist who created an arthropod mech that is connected to an operator via hyphae, with a backpack on its back containing nutrient liquid in which roots are dipped, and gills with greenery on its sides through which it breathes and performs photosynthesis?

[mellow narwhal]

For example, there's a mechanic where the image freezes locally, but time doesn't actually stop. Is this reality-editing mechanic original enough, or are we dealing with Sombra again?

[sage lake]

is bastion an omnic? whats his lore that we know..

[grand wedge]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/bastion/

[keen summit]

he is

[digital linden]

NEW LORE DROP

https://youtu.be/NSZ1t4u54DA?si=n8eCf4bkGdOWkYj5

[twilit patrol]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/comic/search-and-destroy/

[plucky yew]

emre worked for talon?

is this new info?

[digital linden]

wow

all that was very interesting

[fallow mantle]

Scorch the sky indeed

[hushed jetty]

holy implicatikns

what does it MEAN

im very interested by the fact that freja could just Find and Speak to members of talon like that and they were Willing to talk to her

[quartz rampart]

EMRE

FINALLY

[native hazel]

omg saudi arabia mention in the story time

[quartz rampart]

mind control i think

[hushed jetty]

but mind controlled by What...

[native hazel]

saudi hero next

[quartz rampart]

if emre is the next tank hero we are guranteed gtting a sun wukong skin

for him

[native hazel]

wait im excitesd

i was so confused bc his design was boring

now he looks cool

[hushed jetty]

emre's new design looks like

idek what it looks like LMFAO

but its a little crazy to me

[native hazel]

he looks nice

no way he a support tho

which is sad

[hushed jetty]

looks like a dps, based on the ult

[quartz rampart]

i love the emre lore

[south dagger]

YES

[quartz rampart]

so much in this chapter

[south dagger]

insane lore drop

[quartz rampart]

im halfway through so far

[south dagger]

and ive wanted turkey to get atteniton from overwatch so bad

cuz im turkish and shii

thank you blzizard

blizzard

its peak

[quartz rampart]

freya is down hella bad for emre

which i dig

[south dagger]

yey eye ye

i think that too

brooo i want more lore

they ended it on the most excited part

[native hazel]

i was so happy to see the saudi mention like omg

[south dagger]

and i was so happy to see turkiye get mentioned

RAHHH

[quartz rampart]

im happy for emre mains

glad he wasnt forgotten

[shy dagger]

THEY REMEMBERED THE MIDDLE EAST EXISTS

[native hazel]

I HOPE THEY MAKE A RIYADH MAP

[shy dagger]

SAME THAT’D BE SO COOL

[merry mason]

his design is giving jrpg villan

[brittle lance]

Whats the girl with the swords deal

Is she talon

[merry mason]

So her dad was talon but he died and talon basically stole her inheritance so she worked her way up as a gladiator in the coleseum (which still exists in the overwatch verse) and he made her own criminal organization to get back at them.

[brittle lance]

Yooo that’s sick asf ty goat

[quartz rampart]

shes goated

[past copper]

Bro, we'll finally get more info on The Conspiracy when Emre comes to the game. So cool

[split needle]

Didn’t reaper kill her dad?

[past copper]

Gabriel killed Vendetta's father/Talon Council member, Antonio

On the Blackwatch mission in Retribution

Talon moved fast after Antonio's death. Seizing all of his assets and leaving nothing for Vendetta. Not even her rightful place on the council

[shy dagger]

Do we know when’s the next spotlight?

[spare fox]

so do we think that Emre was the mohawk guy at the Talon table in Masquerade?

like... was he that high up in the org?

agh and Moira has GOT to be lying about the mission she was on with him - she HAS to be

she knows more

there's no way she's not

he's got to be another one of her experiments that thought they were in charge and in control but unwittingly wound up her experiment

[twilit patrol]

No announcement for now

There will be a big director take this week so maybe they’ll announce a spotlight

[hushed jetty]

i dont think so solely because that would not be very interesting

and also this wouldnt explain the implied mind control

or like, at least the sense that be becomes "someone else" during these missions. I am unsure why Moira would induce such an effect in him

[spare fox]

really? that sounds exactly like her

the only other person who experimented on soldiers iirc - and could possibly be another candidate for this - was Dr. Naughton but

[dusky stirrup]

I love that Emres cybernetics kinda look like blackwatch Genji

[spare fox]

from what we know about her, circumstantial evidence points to Moira

[hushed jetty]

it sounds like her maybe but what would this add to the story, is the thing

[spare fox]

I don't understand - we don't have the whole story yet

Moira is building her own personal army of experiments for science reasons

[edgy tree]

To me it looks like the conspiracy is controlling Emre

[hushed jetty]

freja implied that something may have happened to Emre in that facility when he vanished

[spare fox]

and manipulating the experimentees into walking right into her experiements

[edgy tree]

the eye thing on his chest looks really similar to the eye we saw in the sombra reveal

[hushed jetty]

and we know from widowmaker as well that he continued to do that after that mjssion

[dusky stirrup]

Based on the tube in his arm I think he'd die without the suit so he can't take it off, but the conspiracy can control it when they want

[spare fox]

right and he was with Moira and - according to Moira herself - "oh gosh I have no idea what could have possibly happened to him until I found him at the objective"

[hushed jetty]

i would agree w you IF widowmaker didnt also say he did something similar on a mission with her

[spare fox]

I'd bet anything Moira is involved somehow in the conspiracy

[edgy tree]

if they can do THIS to a guy no wonder Sombra is trying to look into them

[spare fox]

yes but that was after the mission w Moira

notice how Freja spoke to Moira first and got the most info from her

[edgy tree]

She doesn't really do cybernetics

[hushed jetty]

bbecause Moira is a former overwatch member, so she knows more abt Emre than mauga or widow would

[edgy tree]

and the thing on his chest is the symbol the conspiracy uses

[spare fox]

we don't really know what is going on with him - if they're true cybernetics or not

[edgy tree]

like under the suit he still looks normal whatever she works on usually ends up looking off

[hushed jetty]

i dont doubt that Moira is part of the conspiracy

i think the only way this theory makes sense is if we assume the Purpose of this connection is to connect Moira tothe conspiracy canonically

[shy dagger]

Ohh interesting

[edgy tree]

whatever they are it is controlling him directly

[spare fox]

right, which isn't what cybernetics are really for

[hushed jetty]

hmmmm i wouldn't say its Complete control

[edgy tree]

I just said "whatever they are" dude

[hushed jetty]

i would imagine if it was direct, complete control, he wouldve looked more distraught after coming back to his senses

[spare fox]

emotional suppression isn't outside the realm of possibility either

[edgy tree]

or he's in a sort of "unconcious state" while it's happening and he's still realizing the situation he's in

or what he almost did to her

[hushed jetty]

wsit no this is dumb bc he Did try to kill her

[edgy tree]

yeah they shot eachother a bunch before the explosion stopped the mind controll for some reason

[hushed jetty]

is emre Presently working with talon or was he just doing mercenary work for them in the past

bc he is Red

looking back nvm he isnt red its just the lighting😭

[edgy tree]

Preety sure they just started to expand on his lore with this video

before all dis it just ended with him Resigning

[edgy tree]

but yeah he was "doing" mercenary work just like she is now

[fossil wren]

R/EmreMains must be going crazy right now

[deft socket]

i'd imagine so

[covert thicket]

Is Emre the guy freja was in love with ?

[deft socket]

yes

[covert thicket]

I see

I wasn't sure who he was

I haven't seen the announcement just ppl talking about it

[sick pewter]

how does someone commit a mass murder and then then softly walks like " freya" in the softest voice possible

[fossil wren]

He seems to enter a kind of state of unbridled rage momentarily

He doesn't appear to have complete control over his actions

[sick pewter]

yh and no one in talon didn't question the mechanincal parts on his head that may be slightly concerning

[fossil wren]

We're talking about Talon

Most of its members are homicidal psychopaths

[edgy tree]

He's being mind controlled by the conspiracy

or kept in an unconcious state while they do whatever they want with his body

[sick pewter]

and most of them prob went through the emo change after overwatch

exept moira

she was alr messed up

[sick pewter]

so could have been experimented on, like made a deal with someone abt wanting to help more people but got mind controlled

if so now that null sector is over we have an new villain

[edgy tree]

yeah preety much

what happened to him is definitly not Moiras doing (she hates cybernetics (if they even are those) and if talon made that they would have their logo instead of the eye

[sick pewter]

honeslty with hands like moira's who wouldn't hate cybernetics

[edgy tree]

I'm preety sure she re-attached her purple hand that's why it looks like... THAT

[fossil wren]

A certain member of Talon may know more about all of this

[sick pewter]

mmmmm

somebra rework and his release

i see you ow

[edgy tree]

She be looking into them the most

I mean hell they're the reason she's even going around with Talon

[sick pewter]

she was one of the main members of talon we didn't see freya ask

prob she was invesitigating it like freya

[edgy tree]

yeah that's the main motivation for all her cybernetics

[sick pewter]

i hope we found out what sombra saw which led her into going into hiding and joining talon

[edgy tree]

In the cinematic it just seems like she did it because THEY noticed her first

[fossil wren]

It wasn't that she saw something, they saw her

[sick pewter]

so she joined talon mainly as protection?

[edgy tree]

and for reasources to help her investigation

[sick pewter]

ohhh

so the new hero might really be a sombra era

[edgy tree]

era?

[sick pewter]

sombra strory line/ deep dive i mean

[edgy tree]

yeah definitly I mean why else would she just be gone during that story

[sick pewter]

yh

[torpid anvil]

EMREEEEE

THE EYE FROM SOMBRAS LORE

WE ARE EATING

[keen summit]

where

fun fact

today i had a lesson with someone called emre

[fossil wren]

On his chest

It's the logo of the conspiracy

https://x.com/owcavalry/status/2014030896278491246

[keen summit]

yeah ur right

i didnt see it cuz i was used to the big eye\

[wise grotto]

https://x.com/mushroomiiee/status/1883994128050184456?s=20

Shroomiiee (@mushroomiiee)

I made a chart of some characters and locations implied to be connected to the conspiracy, and who has a likely chance of joining the Conspiracy squad for those unaware. Happy Lucky man day!

(Extended context below)

X · Jan 27, 2025, 9:42 PM

[keen summit]

it even has the 6 dots

[past copper]

A brainwashed Emre with some dangerously advanced tech all courtesy of The Conspiracy

Tho, it looked like he had a heavily advanced kind of hardlight

Even more than what Symmetra or Lifeweaver use

[azure flint]

freja finally has lore

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[digital linden]

so glad moira's getting some more lore

rlly liked this lore drop

a lot going on

[past copper]

I'm still wrapping my mind around how these Talon members are just casually talking to Freja