lore-discussion

[peak escarp]

yet another reason I'm glad they're finally adding the lore into the game

[fossil wren]

Considering that Genji was a member of Blackwatch for years, which was basically Overwatch Black Ops and its operations were mostly secret, its not weird to think that Hanzo didnt know anything about him

Also Genji is a cyborg ninja whose face is covered by his mask so I highly doubt he would go around saying: My name is Genji Shimada

[dapper siren]

Interesting

[cedar shuttle]

Yeah he actually goes around saying his name is green cyborg ninja dude

[spare fox]

The "what if" skin contest ended and these are the winners:
https://x.com/winstillionaire/status/1980241075559383258?s=19

Winstillionaire (@winstillionaire)

Chinese skin voting has ended and the winners are:
First place: Ramattra
Second place: Wuyang and Kiriko
Third place: Juno and Moira

X · Oct 20, 2025, 11:53 AM

I wonder if that's going to be a future theme for a season

[fossil wren]

LETS GO

[soft carbon]

One of my biggest pet peeves: rendering a Japanese name in Western order.

[peak escarp]

that is how he's called in basically everything

when writing in English, it's acceptible to write Japanese names in Western order

[wise grotto]

It’s being wrote in English which is why it follows the English way or writing a name
If it was in Japanese it would probably have been written that way instead

[soft carbon]

It just sounds wrong to me, okay? 😂

[soft carbon]

... by that logic Romaji would use western order as well though.

[peak escarp]

calling him Shimada Genji would sound wrong to me, because it's always written the other way around

[simple crater]

where can i go to find the full lore and history for ramattra

[ruby ridge]

Go to lore warlord doctor_six

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/ramattra/

[elfin bane]

OOO

THAT WUYANG SKIN IS HOT

they better add top three

[simple crater]

agreed

the juno skin looks like it belongs in Stellar Blade or Rivals, not in overwatch

and the moira skin looks default-tier levels of boring

ramattra deserves a decent skin

[digital linden]

i love the moira skin

the arm looks sick

[simple crater]

it does but other than that i can't tell it apart from half her skins

that said, kiriko gets a new skin every like 15 days

kiriko has almost 50% more skins than winston lmaoooooooo

crazy work

[gusty cloak]

i wish wuyang was somehow connected to symmetra and the hard light tech cuz controlling water still seems too magic-y for overwatch

[spare fox]

idk why everyone thinks controlling water is too magic-y

to me it seems more plausible than creating something solid and usable out of just light

water reacts to all kinds of things that could make it move at will - static electricity, pressure, temperature-induced pressure, energy transfer - and with scientific advancement it could be used as a weapon totally

[fallow mantle]

I think part of it is that it feels quite cliche to a lot of people. Ik Overwatch has a lot of cliches but

[echo tundra]

“water college”

[normal talon]

What's wuyangs major???

[fallow mantle]

Water 💀

[rugged drift]

I’ve always had this question, and maybe I have it just cuz I haven’t like dived really really deep into the lore.

Where is the Omnium supporting the Null Sector forces? Like I know there’s a ton of decommissioned omniums, like in Volskaya, Junkertown, Detroit, etc, and there’s ones that’re still active, such as the one in the East China Sea, but where is the one that Ramattra is using to supply the Null Sector forces? And why doesn’t Overwatch just attack that one instead of just fighting them in places like Toronto, Rio, and London?

[twilit patrol]

Somewhere in Antarctica

And probably because they don’t know the localisation

[slate marsh]

Who is wuyangs?

[normal talon]

You know, the water student

[slate marsh]

Uhhhh

[hushed jetty]

wuyang is the most recent hero, hero 44

he went to wuxing university to learn to use water tech for healing, but he invented a way to use it in combat, inspired by the school's fire combat section

tdlr he went to water school to learn water

[shy dagger]

Considering they use it for healing, I’m assuming something like medicine

[opaque hill]

soldier is gay right?

[grand wedge]

Yes

[pearl halo]

Is there any canon relashionships between heroes in the game?

I mean actual heroes not soldier and his bf or tracer and lena

[twilit patrol]

Nah

[pearl halo]

Zang 🥀

[grand wedge]

Only canon relationships are with heroes/non-heroes couples:
Soldier & Vincent (ex-boyfriend)
Reaper & Martina (ex-wife)
Ana & Sam (ex-husband & Pharah's father)
Torbjörn & Ingrid (wife & Brig's mom)

I forgot Widow & Gérard (dead husband)
and Tracer with Emily (girlfriend)

[wise grotto]

And tracer and her wife or girlfriend

Only two people in ow have happy loving current relationships

[peak escarp]

happy people don't usually go adventuring (or so a DM once told me while we were building our D&D characters)

so it makes sense that Torbjorn, who is happily married and retired, chose not to return to Overwatch

[cedar shuttle]

I also wouldn't be surprised if it was in part due to the fear of losing more of himself, as iirc he lost the limbs he did due to the first omnic crisis

[peak escarp]

that was pretty long ago though

he was just fine being in Overwatch for 26 years after losing his arm

[silent rose]

So are Hana and Lucio just a fanon-ship?

God, I’d LOVE for them to be official some day 🥺

[twilit patrol]

Yeah and same for Genji and Mercy btw

[silent rose]

Awwwww… see- I wouldn’t MIND having either of those ships just be confirmed canon in SOME way

[fossil halo]

I thought Ana and Reinhardt were a past relationship? Have you heard their voicelines together?

[peak escarp]

they're flirty but nothing is confirmed

[grand wedge]

there is some subtext in their interaction, that it true, but like doctor said, nothing is confirmed. Was it an affair? A crush? Mutual pining? 🤷‍♀️

[spare fox]

I mean, could it be? yes, but it could also be really old friends who have been through a lot together showing affection for one another

[grand wedge]

it could be anything, yeah

[wise grotto]

This is a bold faced lie

The amount of happy people that have gone hiking or gone sky diving
Or cave diving

Thrill seekers are the happy adventurers

[peak escarp]

that's not the same as going off to fight monsters and possibly die

[wise grotto]

No but I. A world where that stuffs common place to see adventurers if your a thrill seeker you gotta look big

[peak escarp]

also I said usually - thrill seekers are the exception

[wise grotto]

Ah

[spare fox]

Thrill seeking gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy. Happy people just don't shoot their husbands.

iirc, it never said anywhere that Amelie shot Gerard

just killed him in his sleep

idk I always thought that interesting... unless I missed it somewhere that she shot him

[silent rose]

Oooooooh, that's ominous...

Lets the mind wander a lot more about what on earth she did to off him

[spare fox]

my guess (if she didn't shoot him) was either suffocating or stabbing

it's just Widowmaker is (now) renowned for her shooting skills, but back then she was just a ballerina and officer's wife... she absolutely could have shot him in his sleep of course - certainly Gerard had a gun in the house given his position

I'm also kind of wondering if the kidnapping/conditioning went sort of like this:
Before the kidnapping - Amelie is happy and in love
She's kidnapped by Talon - Talon gives Lacroix an ultimatum/ransom along the lines of, "stop all blackwatch/overwatch activity" or "turn a blind eye to Talon activity" and they'll release Amelie
Gerard refuses to negotiate with them
Talon uses this as "fuel" psychologically to condition Amelie (possibly with other methods) - "your husband cares more about an organization than he does for you"

[peak escarp]

I always imagined that she smothered him in his sleep

[slate marsh]

Why did they change cassidy name?

[azure flint]

!!mccree

[twilit nacelle]

https://i.imgur.com/KODRmjJ.jpg

[azure flint]

!!whycass

!!whycassidy

[twilit nacelle]

McCree was originally named after a Blizzard employee named Jesse McCree, because he had a cool sounding name. Blizzard no longer associates with that employee due to harassment in the workplace, so they changed the hero's name. Blizzard also committed to not naming in-game characters after staffers anymore.

[azure flint]

there @slate marsh

[silent rose]

Yeah, you beat me to the punch there

[slate marsh]

Ohhhh ok

[fossil halo]

It's a shame, Because it is a sick name

[rustic gate]

This question has probably been asked before, but as a Ram main, how does he transform into Nemesis form, it never made sense to me.

[azure flint]

through magic

[dusk granite]

Pretty much there's something behind him that pops out which is the arms. Overwatch obviously doesn't do this and just make an entirely new model (that's why in every highlight intro there's a sudden transition of his omnic forms than seeing him transform to it)

[jade nexus]

Real

[odd zephyr]

What is the Best perk to Choose on torb

[twilit patrol]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[cyan relic]

where can i watch lore

[dusk granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB5zlHMsM7k

still surprised it took overwatch 6 years to release sojourn

she appears in here

[elfin bane]

bruh

[pliant lava]

My hours with heros doesnt go up, anyone more got this bugg?

[silent rose]

Is Lifeweaver just- kind of on his own side? He’s not with Vishkar IIRC and I don’t think he’s with Overwatch now that they’re reformed… but he’s not with Talon or the like either…

So is he kind of a one-man rebel?

[dusk granite]

Pretty much, he's wanted by many countries

[paper raft]

#overwatch-serious would be a better place to ask 🙂‍↕️

[grand wedge]

He is now living in the Atlantic Arcology, and Vishkar sent Satya to convince him to come back be he won’t.

The Arcology is full of people and omnics, so he is definitely not alone, he is living and working alongside them.
(An Arcology map is set to get into the game, probably early 2026?)

[spare fox]

Yeah they said "after Season 19"

which is good ol' Blizzard talk again lol

(but I'm hoping it's part of their new story-focused mode)

[spare fox]

I'm thinking with the Arcology and Tokyo maps, I wonder if there's going to be a team-up or possibly joining of OW for Lifeweaver and Kiriko soon, potentially Hanzo and Sym

[pearl halo]

At least 17 to be precise

He says it in an interaction

[shrewd wave]

tf he do

[crisp pecan]

I just need to ask, how many of you know about the ciphertext script in overwatch?

it seems to have a connection to magic in some way, as it was on a book in the spellbinder season and on kirikos ofuda papers on her witch skins

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1fwbl74/kiriko_witch_skin_ofuda_text_deciphered/

i cant send images but

i have the picture of the book from spellbinder season

it simply says "talon" on it

i havent seen it anywhere else in the game

but im just one person

if its significant in any way i feel people from here might recognize it

since in that case it should be in more places

[peak escarp]

most skins are not canon - the Witch skin is only canon to the Junkenstein AU

[median orchid]

Skin canonicity can usually be judged trough appearances on animations / comics, the flavour text or name:

I:E Tracers Uprising skin being literally called Cadet Oxton and the flavour text noting that she was a Active duty member of Overwatch as A cadet during the London uprising.

Though skins like Widowmakers Talon skin is or isnt canon as it isnt really specified in lore.

Also AU:skins are not canon just by being set in a AU, like Doc said. So no Mirrorwatch or Dokiwatch.

[spare fox]

so assuming this Haunted Masquerade is a test for lore-relevant team-ups, what kind of team-ups do you THINK will happen in the actual game?

and if there are any "pipe dream" team ups you think would happen? like for me, even though they haven't met in the lore, it'd be cool if there was an Ashe-Hazard team-up since their voicelines make them sound kind of chummy

or dva-kiriko since iirc there's a "hey bestie" type of voiceline with them that would be interesting

[vapid tusk]

He’s hoping for an even 20 😜

[peak escarp]

Cassidy/Genji gain a small amount of lifesteal when Reaper is on the team

[spare fox]

Ah like a triple team up

[peak escarp]

doesn't have to be all three (and can't in role queue)

just either one of them and Reaper

[spare fox]

Oh ok so either or

[peak escarp]

also Ashe and Cassidy should get a team up bonus

like maybe Cassidy has a longer range before his damage drops, and Ashe's coach gun gains a hinder effect

[spare fox]

Cassidy gets to borrow BOB 😆

[peak escarp]

ult swap - let Ashe use Deadeye

[spare fox]

Ana Roadhog - she hits Roadhog with idk either Nano or sleep whichever is more balanced - and he gets an AOE heal temporarily
Roadhog can Lifeweaver-like move Ana out of harm's way using hook

"Stay outta trouble Ana"

Dva Kiriko - when Dva de-mechs she can get insta-teleported to Kiriko's location, "hey bestie!"

[spare fox]

Lucio-Orisa, Orisa gets a speed boost when she fortifies, Lucio gets a "louder" (larger) radius for his AOE

[fossil wren]

Rein-Brig they can combine their shields with Zero Hour

[pearl halo]

Reaper soldier getting smth out of each other when together

[median orchid]

Maybe Soldiers healing field would provide life-steal from enemies that enter it?

[waxen raven]

Is Winton canon?

[median orchid]

It is and isn't. Im not sure if the Winton Item in game is canon, but judging from the incanon popularity of Overwatch id not be supprised if someone made a bootleg Winston plushie and sold it.

[minor musk]

ashe nerfed by her players using deadeye instead of bob cuz funny

[marble jewel]

Lore wise
Does reaper beat half the roster in a fight?

[peak escarp]

easily

he's a highly trained covert operative who also happens to be a supersoldier with wraith powers

even if he does get defeated, he can just go wraith and retreat

I'd place him among the top 5 strongest

[hybrid nest]

Where can I go to learn about all the lore? Books, videos, in game?

[fossil wren]

Check pinned messages

There is a document with the chronological order made by doc

[hybrid nest]

Thank you I’ve been wanting to learn about it for the longest time

[median orchid]

Can we get a Canon strength tierlist?

Would be interesting to see someone elses view on the matter

[peak escarp]

rating the heroes by strength is fairly subjective

because for a lot of them we haven't seen them use their full strength

like, Sigma in theory can control gravity, but in his current mental state, can he really? how much control does he actually have

same goes for Symmetra or Lifeweaver - they can generate hard light, but to what extent? what can hard light even do?

Reaper is a well trained superhuman who loses twice to Winston because the plot needs him to

just based on what the lore tells us, Winston beats Doomfist and Reaper, Orisa was designed to beat Doomfist (and forced him to retreat with Lucio's help in the novel), and Mauga fought Doomfist to a stalemate

so Winston and Orisa > Doomfist = Mauga> everyone else

[ionic summit]

we've barely seen Genji use his full strength but from what we have seen, he's pretty powerful. wish they'd show my boi more

[cyan relic]

who won against genji and doom

[grand wedge]

Doom won against Genji

[cyan relic]

so did like genji die

or what

[hallow crag]

All i rmbr from lore abt gengi is the basics 😭

His brother killed him or sumn

Mercy revived him

And then ow

😭

[cyan wedge]

Black watch first then

Overwatch

[grand wedge]

Hanzo fought with Genji, and he thought he killed him, but actually, he was very severly wounded, and Genji was found and saved and Overwatch (with Mercy's help) gave him a new cyborg body.

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/genji/

But if you talked about the Genji / Doom fight : no, Doom didn't kill him.

just, punched him very hard in a car

If you want to see the fight, it's Tracer, Genji and WInston against Doomfist
https://youtu.be/vaZfZFNuOpI

[cyan relic]

did widow kill zendaya or whatever the monks name is

[devout sentinel]

Widowmaker does not kill Zenyatta in the official Overwatch 2 lore (or the original Overwatch). Widowmaker kills Mondatta, not Zenyatta. Zenyatta is still alive in the current Overwatch 2 lore. (Sorry for my English, I don't speak English very well because I'm French.)

[ruby ridge]

Can I argue

Can I argue for lifeweaver

We know from his origin story he can make that big ass tree to repopulate a forest

[wise grotto]

Sym also has the capabilities to essentially create whatever she can imagine and is THE strongest architect vishkar has (which is probably why they can’t force her to capture lifeweaver)

[worthy rose]

i'm gonna call him zendaya from now on

[wraith grail]

LMAOO

[high plank]

are bastion and reaper good in the lore

these are my mains and I don’t know the lore

[misty jacinth]

bastion was bad and now is good

reaper is bad bad

i think

[woven jewel]

Reaper is tragically bad iirc

[high plank]

but is he cool

[silent slate]

fr

[grand wedge]

Bastion lore : his pod never opened during the Crisis, never killed a single soul, woke up in forest : https://youtu.be/to8yh83jlXg
found by Torbjorn : https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/comic/binary/
Fixed by Tobjorn : https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/short-story/torbjorn/
and now he is joining Overwatch with Brigitte and Rein after they defeated the Titan in Gotteborg.

Bastion is definitely a good guy.

[grand wedge]

Repaer lore : ex cop joined army (became a super soldier) then joined Overwatch - was leading a black op unit during Overwatch days - got Moira do things with his DNA giving him his wraith powers - his actions in Rialto led Overwatch to its downfall. Almost died in the Overwatch HQ explosion - joined Talon after that.

Can give you all the links but it's a lot more lore than Bastion

[fallow mantle]

Bastion partook in the Omnic Crisis, but he was damaged in one of the battles.

[spare fox]

we're not sure if he was damaged in or even fought in any battles - all we know is that he wasn't activated in the field where he was deployed - likely a drop pod malfunction

we don't know anything of his history prior to waking up in the woods with ganymede - this was likely the Awakening or shortly after

[fallow mantle]

But we do know that he was a frontline combatant and he was severely damaged in the final battles of the war.

[spare fox]

but we don't know if he fought, we only know he was damaged and didn't deploy properly. He was designed to fight in the frontlines but we don't know what, if any, action he saw

he could have fought but it's possible he didn't

oh ok I see, mb

the bio loops back and does say that he was damaged in the final battles, but I don't see it saying he fought

ok and it does say he is "helping the humans he once fought against"

[fallow mantle]

❤️

i remember when i came in with all the evidence last year and people were just denying it lmao 😭

[spare fox]

it happens, some people don't like to be told they're wrong even if they are

but I'm re-reading through the bios on the official site and I'm re-reading Echo's

she was freed by Cassidy after he called in a tip to have Deadlock blow up the train en route

but I wonder where the train (likely the military) were taking Echo? I wonder if they were going to the Mesa Watchpoint with her?

possibly to put her in storage there, possibly for some other reason

I wonder if Echo is connected to this WP Grand Mesa plotline at all along with Helix and Deadlock

[fallow mantle]

I do wonder if at some point we get Grand Mesa as a map, as they teased it in Powder Keg - with the story progressing again, will they start to utilise the other watchpoints again, or just have Gibraltar as the active one?

[spare fox]

right? I want to know too!

but we also need an update to Gibraltar as well! it only has Mei and Tracer's things there! what about everyone else?

that's just a tiny thing but it's the sort of thing I like too

another WP I that has been stuck in my brain is that prison one ghhh I forget the name right now

but it was one of the only ones still in use and it was being used to hold international criminals (I think that's where Doom escaped from?)

now I have to dig out my Declassified

[fallow mantle]

FR

the group's grown a lot since

[fallow mantle]

helix had him locked up iirc?

[peak escarp]

Helix was put in charge of many former Overwatch holdings

including former Watchpoints

[grand wedge]

That's the memory of a destroyed Bastion that he found

ah, my bad, they changed the bio?

hum...

forget i said anything then

[fallow mantle]

it's his bio from 2015 iirc

I wrote a couple of posts last year which had some sources from 2015(?) I think, I would have to dig them up lmao

[craggy thistle]

i have a theory for the "odd" hero for next year

1 : they are gonna be from the horizon lunar

2 : is going be the jetpack cat

hear me OUT lol

[twilit patrol]

Will they ever make another animal hero

[craggy thistle]

jinx lol

i think is going to be like this

[twilit patrol]

We'll see

Also welcome back mate

[craggy thistle]

thanks!

do you remenber the sigma interaction:

W "your dr winston's friend"
S "yes you were a lot smaller when I WHENT THERE"

SO

what IF sigma had a cat and some of the (bad)

scientist

said "do you wanna let your cat here until you finish your black hole expiriments! : D"

and well

if you know

[twilit patrol]

Ah that's your speculation

I don't remember the interaction

[craggy thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SQK03MUVf5U

[twilit patrol]

Thank you

[craggy thistle]

np

[twilit patrol]

I don't hear tanks interactions since OW2 released

[craggy thistle]

is ok

lol

[twilit patrol]

Yea xd

[marsh sparrow]

i’m bored

[azure flint]

hello bored im invict

[dusk granite]

how does roadhog even help junkrat rob stuff, like does he just help kill?

i just imagine bro throws his hook to open things and fight back while junkrat does the rest

[pearl halo]

Probably goes how you said it ngl

Junk with his brain could probably solo rob any bank tbh

[craggy thistle]

true lol

[dreamy lagoon]

He hooks the stuff he wants to steal from across the map

[proud thistle]

What’s the state of powered armor and exoskeletons in the world of Overwatch?

[spare fox]

Yeah basically. See in junkertown, everyone wants Junkrat dead, so Roadhog's his bodyguard there... and then he goes along with Junkrat's worldwide heist idea because Roadhog is such a misanthropist that he figures the world deserves it

[grand wedge]

Rein armor is basically exoskeleton. Originally it was made to explore underwater, but got made into fighting gear instead

[proud thistle]

is crusader armor the apex of powered armor?

Are smaller exoskeletons a thing?

[peak escarp]

cybernetics seem to be the dominant mechanical enhancement, the Crusaders are the only example of exosuits we have

[grand wedge]

you have dog exoskeleton with Murphy

[proud thistle]

the what

[peak escarp]

Sojourn's dog Murphy has an exoskeleton on her hind legs

https://youtu.be/cBYzRpPSHGg?si=deZDWozrKkCosc8V

[proud thistle]

ah

[grand wedge]

but like doctor said, it seems that prosthetics and chips to the brain are most likely the most advance tech on human bodies.

Then, there are a lot of mechs (like MEKA squad or Volskaya Industries mechs)

Crusador armors is discontinued iirc

[solid storm]

Blows up shit to get inside places

Oh wait

I read that wrong

Nvm

[lament cobalt]

He hooks the goods !!

[sudden wolf]

afaik he drives the getaway vehicle

maybe im misremembering but im pretty sure he whips a big motorcycle

[spare fox]

nah roadhog appreciates causing mayhem and getting loot just as much as junkrat does, he's just way quieter about it

[azure flint]

waiting for s20 hero lore

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

[spare fox]

I predict it'll be either next week or the week after which will be mid-season (Nov 11) they might drop more in-game teasers or a motion comic around then

I'd think they'd want to do the hero trial a little earlier since S20 drops and it's basically Christmas holidays for Blizzard. I think they'll do the trial around the week before U.S. Thanksgiving so they can make any tweaks before the Dec 9 S20 start

[silent rose]

Yeah, that's probably pretty accurate! I feel like with Roadhog being a bodyguard, I could see him blasting back people who would try and stop them with the scrap gun while Junkrat gets the money they're trying to steal

[marble charm]

I have an incling that it's mainly because they're far far more practical

Probably cheaper too

They'll have had way more money go into researching them as they'll have so much more applications

The solution to sojourns childhood problems can't be solved by crusader armor

But cybernetics could solve her disease

and give her rocket legs

[silent rose]

So with Illari… is she like- a part of Overwatch now? Or is she doing things on her own after the disaster with her people?

[peak escarp]

she's doing things on her own

seems like she's protecting the information around the Inti warriors from outsiders

[civic pilot]

[wanton karma]

[full cosmos]

So hey can someone explain ow lore? Im watching the cinematics on YouTube but an overall explanation would be nice

[peak escarp]

you'll have to be more specific, there's a lot to cover

[pine gale]

clankers, war. winton and soldier clashing ideals. tracer time loop. winton wanna overwatch anyways

[full cosmos]

Like the entire lore of ow1 and ow2 and the only thing I found is reaper used too be in overwatch with moira and cassidy and moira was a scientist but her experiments were seen as bad

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/QbMbZjhSJqo

[full cosmos]

Hope both of your pillows are cold and your food is at the perfect temperature

[peak escarp]

that will give a plot summary, and the people here can help with any more specific questions

[fallow mantle]

Tbh yeah, the past few it's been the week or two before the new season iirc - I feel like they've actually hyped this hero up a lot more than the last couple though, so I reckon it'll be sooner rather than later

[spare fox]

true, and I'm not saying there's a pattern they're following - in fact I think they purposely shake things up - I'm just making a prediction

[fallow mantle]

Yeah I think her trial might be the week after next or smth

[spare fox]

but yeah, I think they'll do it next week or the week after - def not during U.S. Thanksgiving, and then right after that it's S20 so, yeah

[elfin bane]

oh i hope so

that’d be cool

everything going quick lately

[dusk granite]

is it possible to use roadhog's hook as a way to climb upwards (imagine if you were junkrat and asked roadhog to do it)

[spare fox]

What Roadhog using his hook like Widow uses her grapple?

[floral chasm]

if roadhog tried to climb a building by attaching a hook to it the entire building would collapse

[dusk granite]

no i meant junkrat climbing on it

[dusk granite]

dude he could be like wrecking ball depending on the building

imagine though

[dusk granite]

ngl that sounds like a cool idea ingame tho

(overwatch is planning team-ups in a survery)

[dusk granite]

actually realistically he'll just dangle like mauga cage fight

which is still awesome tho

imagine the alt fire scenarios

[spare fox]

That feel when even if they made Roadhog's alt fire just shoot out a Junkrat that autobots and he'd still be garbage 🥲

[lunar mesa]

Ngl I see a hog flyin at me like spiderman I'm shitin myself instantly

[past copper]

Happy Halloween all you trick or treating fools and ghouls 🎃👻🦉

[delicate trellis]

Yess

[tender sable]

wait lowkey

wrong chat nvm

[spare fox]

thought I just had after thinking ab Reconciliation:
so now there are just a bunch of omnic bodies laying around totally unprotected by a soul/free will and thus are susceptible to another attack by Anubis....

there's nothing to fight off if it takes control of them again this time - Ramattra basically undid Aurora's Awakening on those omnic bodies

[fallow mantle]

I know WHY they don't show it, but I wish Overwatch itself could show more of the whole...scale, of the crisis 2.0? Like in Sojourn's short story iirc she goes by loads of human corpses, that's fucking horrifying??? In-game we just see empty/locked places, and the only npcs we see are omnics. The train scene with all those omnic bodies is eerie af.

Imagine that if it was human bodies instead 💀

[spare fox]

I may be wrong, but I don't think they can do that with and keep a 'T' rating

[fallow mantle]

Yeah, I just wish it was something they could do...because we know there are lots of casualties, but we never -see- them. Or anything really to hint at it...

I don't wanna see mountains of corpses lmao but just like...

the environmental storytelling on antarctic peninsula for example

it's real fuckin' creepy.

orrrrr, like horizon lunar colony!

abandoned...things.

[spare fox]

Junkertown when you're all alone in skirmish is creepy af, especially the 3rd point and all the ambient noises

[fallow mantle]

I can't stand the morse code on antarctic, creeps me out

[spare fox]

but yeah, there's basically a whole army of bodies that can be used now

[opaque tundra]

There’s so many holes left from that comic. Zenyatta knew so much information about Ram and Talon and you’re left to assume that Widowmaker and Sombra told him all that but why would they tell him all that???? Is no one gonna look for the leader of Null Sector or do anything to react to the invasion??? Whats so important about Ram’s technology that it was made a point of interest in both the PvE and A Great Day?

[spare fox]

that is their pattern: add new lore, maybe it will answer an old question but it will also add 2-3 new questions

[spare fox]

I hope their big hype up for the story is that we get a little bit more of the story moving forward each season 🤞

[fallow mantle]

That would be 🔥

Maybe in the seasons where we don't get a hero, we get a bit more

[spare fox]

it'd be nice to get anything extra

[azure flint]

is midseason next week or the week after

[spare fox]

next week starts the 4th week so I think the week after

[spring bison]

@hasty sky

[left fjord]

i thought they gave up on lore lmao

[peak escarp]

you thought wrong

[left fjord]

I havent payed attention since idk the sombra short came out

anything juicy happen

[cyan star]

I kinda wish that there were reactions (for lurkers like me) in this channel, but in lieu of being able to fire react every valuable tidbit in here I'd just like to say thanks to all the people who keep me in the loop with the excellent lore, in particular Doctor Six and spookycakes, and so many others as well

[spare fox]

I'm just glad there are people who love the lore too

[peak escarp]

we are a small but dedicated community

[keen summit]

Its overly exaggerated by youtubers

[keen summit]

Side quests writing

[crystal saffron]

didnt lore stop since like 2019

[keen swift]

no it’s still going

there were multiple layoffs done during the microsoft thing iirc but lore is still being updated just. slowly

[cyan relic]

is lore fanmade

[spare fox]

no

[mental plaza]

@winged wagon duooooooo 💔 wya??? Let’s play

[wise grotto]

Those didn’t even happen till 2024-2025 so this persons just really really REALLY out of the loop

[silent lake]

lf 1 support plat-diamond for 5stack

[wise grotto]

Dawg this is by FAR the wrong chat read the name of a chat

[silent lake]

can u join?

[wise grotto]

No

[pearl halo]

!!lore

!!shitpost

Shit idk the commands

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[leaden swallow]

Is there a main villain of OW or is it just the group of characters they fight against? (I forgot the name)

[peak escarp]

Talon is the group

Doomfist is the leader of Talon

but there's also Null Sector, which is led by Ramattra

[past copper]

Technically, there's also pockets of other "villain" groups

The Deadlock Rebels, the Las Muretos, the Hashimoto, the Junkers, the Phreakz, Technically Anubis since it's still active, but currently imprisoned

[spare fox]

really, every hero has their own villain/villain group - sometimes they're other heroes and sometimes they're npcs

they're all fighting against something

[peak escarp]

conflict is the driving force of all narratives

[spare fox]

True, but I meant it more as "there's more than one villain" for overwatch

[rugged drift]

I know mostly every character has like some kinda lore tied to one of the maps, even if it’s a deathmatch map, a ctf map, or other map like that, but is there any character that doesn’t have a map? I’m thinking it’s just Freja and Wuyang rn, maybe Juno, right?

I guess maybe Soldier and Reaper too? They don’t really have any lore maps

[rugged drift]

Ok wait I might answer my own question

[fossil wren]

Las muretos 😭

[wise grotto]

Juno has the spawn of dorado

[peak escarp]

if you count that then every Overwatch hero is tied to Watchpoint Gibraltar, since it's an Overwatch base

Lifeweaver isn't tied to any current maps, but the Atlantic Arcology is coming soon as a map

Sigma isn't tied to any maps

Wuyang isn't tied to any maps

I think it's just those three

[past copper]

There's about to be a Tokyo map tho

[loud marsh]

I guess sigma could be somewhat tied to the moon one along with Winston, for having worked with winston's caretaker

Would be interesting to see an elemental college one

[rugged drift]

I thought LW was tied to Ayutthaya or is it just a Thai map not related to the Thai hero

And also would Juno be connected to Lijiang? Cuz doesn’t the Control Center point have all the Mars stuff

And Freja also doesn’t have a map

And I guess Torb and Brig don’t have one unless you count Gothenburg

And then Reaper, Soldier, and Mercy also don’t have one

[wise grotto]

Juno has a literal statue there is the thing

And it’s where she landed from space

Not every ow member has something directly to do with them on gibraltr

[peak escarp]

Reaper is connected to Rialto, since that's where the Retribution mission takes place
Soldier is connected to Dorado, since that's where the Hero short takes place
Mercy is connected to Havana, since that's where the Storm Rising mission takes place

[dusk granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvFQhBSotk

NEW LORE DROP

[bold echo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvFQhBSotk

[dusk granite]

thanks

also

null sector retreating

[junior forge]

BABE, WAKE UP, THERE'S A NEW LORE VIDEO THAT DORRPED

[bold echo]

are they planning for season 20?!??!

[junior forge]

Ramattra's back, baby

[dusk granite]

how is he back

[fallow mantle]

Gasp

[dusk granite]

the dude dipped

[junior forge]

Just saying :/

[fallow mantle]

Monsieur.....Ramattra.........is back?

[dusk granite]

im throwing tomatoes at this

[junior forge]

Null Sector = Ramattra

[dusk granite]

throw sleep darts at this story

[twilit patrol]

NEW LORE LFG

[dusk granite]

honestly season 20 sounds exciting tho

[twilit patrol]

Season 20 is going to be a banger

[junior forge]

Fr

[digital linden]

something big is definitely coming

[twilit patrol]

It's such a great time to be an OW fan overrall

[digital linden]

looks like null sectors retreating from the main focus and lupa (or whatever her name is) is coming forward instead

[fallow mantle]

Good lore drop

[junior forge]

Daddy Ramattra coming back :3

[twilit patrol]

Yeah :/

I'm looking forward to Lupa

But I need more Null Sector lore

[digital linden]

she does seem really cool

[digital linden]

agree

[twilit patrol]

Ram still has big plans

[junior forge]

As usual

Would be nice to see him fight in a cinematic

[twilit patrol]

Fr

[digital linden]

yeah i feel a cinematic has got to be in the works

[twilit patrol]

She does and I hope they don't fuck up

[digital linden]

especially from recent comments

[twilit patrol]

They've been teasing her for months

[digital linden]

yup

she's bound to shake things up

[peak escarp]

new lore let's go

at least we got a resolution to the Invasion arc

[cyan wedge]

Lore drop

[cyan wedge]

Yeah its peak

Its awesome

Would have been cooler if they had more drawings and pictures of the other heroes as well

[weary swift]

Video was lowk disappointing i wanted actual panels

💔

Not just zoom in effects but cool little lore drop

[azure flint]

picky ahh msg

well that vid was interesting

so basically all null sector robots just suddenly start retreating to some unknown place for some unknown reason

[cyan wedge]

Probably to recollect themselves and to process the kidnapped omnics

Whatever they have in mind, its going to throw the UN into chaos. We can't forget about talon having its hands in this as well

[azure flint]

also weird how soj is just holding a full ass press conference knowing ow is illegal

[peak escarp]

Overwatch is working with the IJC, so it doesn't seem like they're illegal anymore

but not legal either... sorta inbetween

it seems like the IJC is keeping them on a tight leash this time

[keen swift]

yeah, its explained theyre on "standby" right now

basically they're back but not really

[rugged drift]

Do we know if the NFL still exists in Overwatch time

[spare fox]

My two takeaways from the lore drop: Null Sector now has 99.2% of the subjegated omnics. Just the other day I was rambling how the "empty" omnic bodies no longer have the consciousness to fight off an override like the one caused by Anubis in the past. These omnics are now 100% going to be used as weapons by someone
Second, listen to the way Sojourn talks about the IJC around the 5 min mark. She is begrudgingly following their directive. Meanwhile apparently OW is giving all their collected intel to IJC, while the IJC holds OW as an org under its thumb. "When the IJC determines the world is safe, OW will be disbanded" hmmm. Personally, I would like to know who is on the IJC because they hold the fate of OW snugly in their hands

IJC is absolutely going to be a new antagonist for OW, and a complicated one at that

If someone from or with connections to say, Talon, Vishkar, Null Sector, etc etc is on the IJC -or if most or all the IJC is corrupt or infiltrated-, they can persuade the IJC to forbid OW activity in certain places at certain times and OW's hands are tied

[stiff socket]

The main thing is that they’re gonna sack doom lol

They’re gonna kill him off that’s like

Awful

[spare fox]

That's just an unconfirmed rumor- don't believe everything you see online

Also none of what I said was about that, not sure why you replied to me

[peak escarp]

they're not gonna kill him off

[twilit patrol]

Why would they kill him off

[rugged drift]

So something I had found out about: I’ve heard from multiple sources that Overwatch 2 takes place in like 2088, and according to the wiki, Sigma is like, 62 or smth. With that knowledge, Sigma’s birthday is in 2026. He is Gen Alpha and his name is Sigma.

(Sorry this is completely unrelated)

[twilit patrol]

The thing is that we don't know the year

[spare fox]

Moreover I don't think the exact year is even that important

[rugged drift]

Yeah I mean either way I’m pretty sure Sigma and Rien would be Gen Alpha

[spare fox]

I doubt they're going to kill off Doomfist, but I don't think it's impossible narratively speaking

Ngl, I can see why they'd want a change in the narrative. Doomfist is a bit stale as a character and even as a villain. Although I doubt they'd kill him off vs removing him as head of Talon through defeat, I'd think it reasonable to open a new chapter on the narrative with a new Big Bad

[azure flint]

lupa is gonna be the new big bad

[spare fox]

Sighhhh again. Don't just believe everything you read online, that's how you wind up big mad over things that were never promised

[azure flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

[spare fox]

Also, re-listening to it again, I gotta praise what a GREAT actress Cherisse Booth is. Chef's kiss!! I highly recommend once again the audiobook of Sojourn's novel as she is the narrator and it's sooooo good

[azure flint]

let us just hope for lupa lore next week

[spare fox]

Omg lore drops 2 weeks in a row??? Could they ever!?! (I mean we can hope)

[azure flint]

within two weeks

surely

[spare fox]

also, everyone saying that this is closure on the Invasion story arc and... it's really not

so many omnics are still missing, there's no telling when they'll attack again

all we know is that Zen doesn't want to join Ramattra, the subjegated omnics aren't dead their consciousness is just uploaded somewhere, and Overwatch is back temporarily under the IJC

[pearl halo]

If they kill him lore wise would they keep him gameplay wise?

This makes me think that, unless its really necessary/a final battle, they wont kill off any character cuz then how would you keep them in gameplay and still make sensd

Bastion is the exception tho since he could technically be replaced? (Very small number of his kind left iirc?)

[spare fox]

they've officially confirmed if a hero dies in the lore that that hero WILL still be playable in game

[peak escarp]

maybe closure isn't the right word... a conclusion?

[pearl halo]

Of icic, didnt know, well thats cool ngl, saves from the trouble of worrying abt it

[peak escarp]

Sojourn's report ends the Invasion arc while laying out the plot threads that are still left open for future arcs

[azure flint]

2026 will be the year of overwatchs generational comeback trust

10th anniversary year too

[spare fox]

here's hoping

[wise grotto]

I don’t think it’ll ever make a comeback public reception wise

[peak escarp]

their loss

[stiff socket]

Actually it’s kinda confirmed now

Or atleast it has some weight

The person that told us they were gonna wrap up the whole omnic storyline told us the doomfist thing so- so far the rumor has been kinda accurate

[spare fox]

I'm just saying, don't believe everything you read online unless it's from a confirmed source

and even then... I remember some people were mad about Hazard's final design because they were expecting, hoping for that silly little dev doodle icon they saw at blizzcon 2023 (if that was it)

[keen summit]

Yeah i don't think so either cuz like, its retreating not surrendering. The story isnt over at all

[keen summit]

Icl i dont see how this even can be a conclusion cuz theyre still unsure where it went etc. it feels more like typical middle story

The villain gets away and the heroes want to give chase but cant yet, thus they need to get ready for the final confrontation

[shy dagger]

Yea I don’t see how this brings a conclusion to the arc. Ram still has an army, he’s still has Omnics imprisoned, and we still don’t know the reason why he puts these devices on them.

I’m assuming they want to focus their attention back onto the Overwatch vs Talon as the main plot, so they just gave this arc a pause basically

[wise grotto]

It’s a fairly easy plan to pause by virtue of ram did such a massive scale invasion and probably needs to recover from the resources used regardless of how successfully or detrimental it was

[ionic summit]

my guess is Null Sector takes somewhat of a backseat for now and the main antagonists in focus is talon. but then Null Sector and Ramattra returns

[shy dagger]

Yea basically how the story was after king’s row uprising

[shy dagger]

Good way to put the massive scale story on pause so they can focus on smaller arcs

[wise grotto]

Yep exactly

[peak escarp]

it's a conclusion because Ramattra's plot is being put on the back burner while another plot becomes the focus. I assume we will return to Ramattra's plot later.

the Invasion arc is not the entirety of Ramattra's plotline, it's just the first phase

and it's over

he achieved his goal of archiving most of the omnics, so now he retreats

[worthy viper]

Does anyoneh ere want to que PVE? Been awhile since Ive played it but im going to be sitting in que forever since no one plays it

[peak escarp]

it will give you bots to play with

[twilit patrol]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/short-story/signs-of-life/

JUNO LORE

[dusk granite]

finally

[fallow mantle]

They just got his voice actor to narrate for the BlizzCon trailer has me eyeing up the 'leak' like 'now why would they get the Doomfist voice actor for 15 seconds of narration for an event next year'...has me hoping for a tv series but also in the back of my mind I'm like, omg he's gonna be in an animated short soon...

[twilit patrol]

I love Juno so much

I've been wondering when we'll get more Juno lore

[spare fox]

link to the trailer? and I'm not arguing that it's not going to happen: all I'm saying is that I am so tired of people on this community getting mad over what was "supposed to happen" like I know I'm going to hear "oh Doomfist was supposed to die! He was supposed to be taken out of the game! It's a RETCON" like no, it was just an online leak

and furthermore, even the leaks that are real don't get it right

for example, the Zero Hour leak was "the cinematic is about young Genji saving Mei" like...

or the leak for Ashe was "some biker chick with a design on the back of her vest" and everyone was hyped for Junkerqueen after that

[fallow mantle]

i don't think i can attach links as it got me muted in the past for spam lmao but uhm, it's the blizzcon 2026 trailer, hold on

https://youtu.be/sJyMp5f6yoE?t=51

[fallow mantle]

????? lmao

i swear the lucheng stuff always makes me so mad lmfao

thoughtless gods, this story

[spare fox]

I'm not done with it yet but the continuity nod to Thoughtless Gods lol

[fallow mantle]

ikr i loved it

[spare fox]

wow that was a heavy story

[fallow mantle]

ikr? lucheng suck

[spare fox]

they're lining up their new villain line-up

[fallow mantle]

does make me wonder if they've got some dealings with doomfist, he's got a line mentioning about how they understand humanity needs to expand outwards from earth - and then, him in a great day implying he was in space

when are we getting planet of the apes though lmao 🦍

[spare fox]

oh riiiight

what if Lucheng either doesn't have the resources bc they've gone to whatever DF's doing in space - or they do but don't want to draw any attention/interfere with what he's doing in space

[brittle belfry]

idc. new game just abt null sector right now

https://tenor.com/view/ramattra-overwatch-silly-skip-skipping-gif-5295807711314425606

[neat forum]

is wuyang meis sister?

[grand wedge]

No

[neat forum]

i heard after i got a kill on mei, wuyang said something like "dont mess with my sister"

[grand wedge]

Wuyang sister is Anran

[neat forum]

o

[spare fox]

no, it's "you're nothing compared to my sister" referring to Anran who can use fire-tech... he says it after getting a kill on Mauga or Ashe who have burn-causing abilities

[neat forum]

o

[craggy thistle]

Man the new juno story is SO sad man

[twilit patrol]

Yeah

I hate Chao

[craggy thistle]

Pff who dosent ??

[twilit patrol]

I hope more Juno lore soon

Can't end here

[azure flint]

im too lazy to read the new juno comic or wtv

does it have anything interesting?

[peak escarp]

it made me cry

[merry mason]

We are so back

[twilit patrol]

I love this moment

[hushed jetty]

wdym juno story my god
lore jumpscare

[latent lark]

once the half season is out im overhauling my lore timeline

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ar3nPYrwL5YANdtWPkrprz3fXBSeNIMUSwqU64CAYsY/edit?usp=sharing

its all the way up till the latest short story

[elfin bane]

fire

[fallow mantle]

Am just on lijiang tower atm, they should totally add the damage from wb's little tirade lol

[latent lark]

I want them to add the rest of the overwatch agents beds to Watchpoint Gibraltar

[fallow mantle]

YEAHHHH

[latent lark]

you only see Mei and Tracers

only 4 of the characters are represented, Winston, Tracer, Mei, and Juno (her rocket)

[spare fox]

YES!!!

Thoughhhhh ngl I have my theory on why they haven't bothered w that (yet)

[latent lark]

lets hear it

[spare fox]

I think Gibraltar is going to be a prime target for Talon, for obvious reasons. I think there's going to be some destruction-induced remodeling there

[latent lark]

oooo makes sense

[spare fox]

And Reaper has a voiceline abt Gibraltar, "I should have burned Gibraltar to the ground. Maybe I still can." Which just sounds very foreshadowing to me

[latent lark]

fits

[marble charm]

Having the airship on the floor would be weird

[spare fox]

It'd make an interesting map aesthetic/layout though

But yeah that shuttle/plane whatever that's in there and the launch site and everything... those are all relics from past OW, they aren't used anymore

[latent lark]

these sites cant be reached

[spare fox]

I'm now wondering how true Chao's less than 3% success rate for a mission is

On the one hand, it's def plausible between the storms, no communication, etc

On the other, she was lying about the no signs of life

[craggy thistle]

Hey

Who do you think is the new "oddity hero" My bets are in:

1: an animal from the lunar colony

2: an junker robot

Oh, sorry i meant omnic

[elfin bane]

oooo

junker omnic would be siiiick

maybe there could be a junkerqueen overcoming racism arc

[peak escarp]

unlikely

[spare fox]

bruh I would die happy if we got a continuation to the junker story

I just really want junkrat in overwatch, even if he's like captured by them or whatevs, the team is too boring

I mean yes he's a criminal but like Cass, Bap, Genji are there too so 🤷 (and they've def made the crimes more g-rated since OW2)

[dusk granite]

honestly I just wanna see junkrat and sigma collab and make something even more worse than a black hole

if junkrat is that smart, he can do it

[spare fox]

Oh god what if that's where the omnics went

/kidding

[dusk granite]

junkrat somehow finds the consciences where null sector sends them

lmaooo

sounds so stupid

dude nobody in overwatch or talon is believing him either if that happens

[mortal forum]

the juno story made me so sad

Kill Dr Chao

[spare fox]

Oi you guys I found the cloud!!
Everyone: ... what.
JQ: don't listen to him he don't have all the kangaroos in the paddock
Everyone: ... what.

[maiden pasture]

Could someone remind me what Soldier’s personal vendetta is? I’ve played soldier for years and always understood and accepted that he’s on a personal mission but can’t actually remember what his mission is and why he’s so fixated on it

[fallow mantle]

Basically, avenge the downfall of Overwatch

[slow wasp]

Im still confused about how the things he is doing will actually aid that.

[fallow mantle]

He's trying to find out whodunit/why it fell

He has at least discovered it was the super secret eyeball conspiracy, the same one Sombra discovered, that seems to be behind it

[maiden pasture]

Oh yeah I remember that. They haven’t touched on it since have they?

[slow wasp]

Ohhh, and him working with sombra is why he went to runasapi to help illari?

[fallow mantle]

From what I remember, yep

[slow wasp]

It was said in the same short story/comic that Moira and oasis were experimenting/conducting research in runasapi. Is there any indication of what they were doing and their importance? I dont think they would mention moira if it wasnt atleast somewhat significant

[twilit patrol]

Juno Teo Minh

[fallow mantle]

Well my formatting failed bc copy-paste and mobile 💀 but you get the idea

[fallow mantle]

Bot ate my message cause it thought it was spam rofl, but basically - Oasis set up in Runasapi and were trying to recover the data on the Inti warriors, so I am assuming personally they were wanting to utilise it/replicate it - Moira's all about unshackling science and humanity's potential. Something like Illari, with the sun's energy? That's a huge force

[sturdy sierra]

I hope the in-game lore feature at mid-season will have links to all the previous short stories, in addition to the origin story videos, because I'm so behind on all of it

[twilit patrol]

It should

[craggy thistle]

Hi gm!

[smoky tendon]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[twilit patrol]

Saying "hi" is allowed here

This is being polite

[craggy thistle]

Thanks gautier! Haha

[smoky tendon]

sorry, i thought it was funny

[craggy thistle]

Is ok dw

[twilit patrol]

[craggy thistle]

Anyways

The odd hero

I was thinking

What IF is martina? reaper's wife

I also have another theory but i think that one is a little TOO wild lol

[maiden pasture]

Lore accurate, it must hurt like a BITCH to be healed by Ana. Being shot with a syringe at 125 m/s? 😭

[shy dagger]

I mean, I imagine it won’t feel any worse than the actual pain you’d be feeling for her to shoot you

[maiden pasture]

Yeah that’s true. It’s just a pain game all around really 😂

[shy dagger]

Being shot by a syringe isn’t as bad as being shot by a shotgun😭🥹

[maiden pasture]

Lesser of two evils lmao

75hp healing + 10hp dmg

[shy dagger]

The only healing I’m interested in how it’d feel is lifeweaver’s

Like how does bio light feel

[shy dagger]

65 healing profit

[maiden pasture]

Fuming if you were at 10hp and your ana friendly fired you

[shy dagger]

I believe the healing would be instant

[maiden pasture]

Or Brig’s rally. Does she just say encouraging words to you? 😂

And I wonder if Kiri’s ofuda just says +13hp on them

[shy dagger]

Good vibes

That’s it probably

[spare fox]

I mean, game-style healing isn't canon, though medical technology IS very advanced in the OW universe

There's no way you could take a bullet or even a direct hit from a rocket launcher, and be good as new 3 seconds later

[leaden hornet]

do u think we will ever c game-style healing in the real worl

biotic nade when

[slow wasp]

Lmao

Probably not unfortunatly

[worthy rose]

Did u all see new Juno comic?

Fact here: Juno has a lot of lore more than Venture, doesn't matter when you read this

[twilit patrol]

She got one comic in 2024 when they released her

They released a short story yesterday

[plush carbon]

get help ranking up, throw me a dm and i'll assist

[peak escarp]

and Reaper has more lore than Juno, what's your point?

[worthy rose]

Can u tell me when Reaper was released and when Juno?

[wise grotto]

Balls got less lore then Juno does

Now what’s your point

[worthy rose]

Anyways, any problem with Reaper... I just wanted to laugh at Venture lovers

[peak escarp]

Venture isn't part of any major group or tied to any of the plotlines, of course they have less lore

[wise grotto]

Because blizzard hasn’t done anything with them? When they’re only tie to any major group is fighting Mauga once and maybe the same thing soldiers tied up in

[peak escarp]

I'd like to see them cross paths with Soldier, or maybe Sombra recruits them for a mission

[spare fox]

They're making a Netflix series for Overcooked. Overcooked is getting a series before Overwatch 🙃 🙃 🙃

I hate it here...

[marble charm]

Overcooked tuff tho

[worthy rose]

Think about a Overwatch movie....

[restive swallow]

where

[twilit patrol]

Here

[restive swallow]

ty

[twilit patrol]

Ur welcome

[frail grove]

He’s gen alpha so is this canon

[wise grotto]

What’s overcooked again

[craggy thistle]

I want a sumo hero

That will be AMAZING!

[wise grotto]

I don’t think we’ll get one
We haven’t gotten any proper fighter characters at all aside from doom

[spare fox]

It's a co op restaurant game with s timer

[echo tundra]

water college

[worthy rose]

Lore reason why JQ is so fine

[wise grotto]

Spite

Unironically spite

[lean charm]

Does torbjorn have a son?

Because theres a souvenir called "family mug" that says "far far" which means fathers, father in swedish basically grandpa but only for your fathers father, which means he must have a son right? even though i haven't heard of him having a son, only daughter

[wise grotto]

Torbs got like approximately 10 kids roughly

That man has fucked
A lot

Brigs the youngest

7 kids and numerous grandkids to

Found the exact

[peak escarp]

we know the names of three of Torbjorn's children - Nils (an artist), Elvira (a neurosurgeon) and Brigitte

two of Nils' daugters are known - Astrid and Alma, as well as another granddaugher Marta who is an author who writes vampire fiction

the children seen here are some of Torbjorn's younger grandchildren

[spare fox]

if the illustration is correct and if they follow tradition, based on there being 6 stockings hung, I'd wager he and Ingrid either have 4 or 6 children- depending on if they hang stocking for the parents or not, again, that's if the artist was even instructed to make 6 stockings

[peak escarp]

I find it interesting that of all Torbjorn's family, only Brigitte followed him into engineering

oh and for those who don't know, Torbjorn's wife's name is Ingrid, and she's a chemical engineer with a wicked good apple pie recipe

[spare fox]

It happens, neither me nor my sibling are in our parents' careers, and neither of my parents are in the same career as theirs

[peak escarp]

but are any of your parents world reknowned leaders in their field of expertise?

[spare fox]

No but still, it's not a norm. It's not unheard of but not the standard either

Brig was def destined to be engineer/squire though

It's even funny how she missed having the same birthday as Torb by 1 day

[peak escarp]

which means Torbjorn lost his arm on his birthday

wait no

his injuries happen a while before he sends the letter

nevermind

it's Illari who probably has a traumatic birthday

[wise grotto]

Illari has the most traumatic birthday ever

Inot even like a “oh I was attacked” “oh my parents died”
Its
“Oh my birthday ceremony was the reason almost everyone I knew and trained with and was trained to protect my people all died and the machine was destroyed ruining the tradition forever”

[craggy thistle]

Hey

First hi! ^^/

Second

I think that the blizzcon hero is going to be a SUMO guy from the next year tokio map!

Is just a idea tho lol

[spare fox]

I kind of wonder if they're going to do the Blizzcon hero release next year because it'll be slightly off-season (maybe?) but maybe they'll manipulate the season releases

make some shorter and/or longer

but that hero will probably be 47 or 48

[craggy thistle]

This hahah

As a girl that LOVES and also does sumo i will just say

Blizzard

PLS

NO woman sumo xd

I am dont get my wrong !

I love that the tradition of it is opening they "no girls allow" crap

But i want like

A guy bc of idk

I just like it more lmaoo

[tropic path]

Meow

[craggy thistle]

Hellow

[solemn turtle]

heres a dope lore: brigittes mom is actually widow maker

[spare fox]

don't shitpost please

[solemn turtle]

:(

[jaunty oar]

rlly hoping that the leaks are fake and the new hero isnt just gonna throw doomfist off a building lol

like it would be fine

if they gave doomfist some attention in the lore

but he barely got anything ever since he escaped prison

so it just makes him look lame

and the weapon itself doesnt seem special at all anymore

idk it just feels like a really odd writing choice

like ok i guess it fits with his whole adapting and evolving to become strong motive but we literally got nothing other than like

1 comic of what he did after he returned

[jaunty oar]

genuinely what makes the gauntlet special anymore

just feels like they forgot about it

or they dont care anymore

[spare fox]

so abt leaks: IFFFF they turn out to be true, 9 times out of 10 they're not exactly what the leak says bc the person leaking them has no clue abt OW lore

I know they aren't against killing off heroes (they would still be available in-game, confirmed)

[peak escarp]

the only thing remotely close to that scenario I could see happening is Doomfist taking a dive and letting people think he's dead so he can make a grand return later

[spare fox]

I'm torn: on the one hand, it seems like such a stupid way for doomfist to go, on the other hand... lbr he's not that good of a Big Bad story-wise

yes he's powerful, but what does he want? Conflict? ok... well the world's always in conflict so...

Talon doesn't seem to be really unified behind him either. Moira's got her own thing going, she doesn't care who's in charge, Max is a bit disillusioned with it (he's losing a lot of money with no ROI), everyone else in Talon seems to be just there

it's been nearly 9 years of the same Big Bad, I can see them wanting to change things up a bit

again, this is IF the leak is true AND accurate

remember the leak for the Zero Hour cinematic was "young Genji saves Mei" and everyone was like... huh?

[solemn turtle]

💀

[fossil wren]

Reaper seems to be the only one who actually """follows""" Doomfist and he generally follows his own schedule as well

[spare fox]

Yeah you're right, but specifically Reaper's got his OW revenge plot going on too

[spare fox]

Idk I think getting rid of DF - either killing him or removing him from power - might be a way to tidy up Talon narratively, give it more of a focus as an organization

Bc DF says he wants conflict, gets Ram to start a war, but doesn't do anything to keep said global war going? Huh? What is he even doing?

[grand wedge]

La Lupa is saying to get ready for war. Doomfist wants conflict. I hope they kinda face each other, and that this conflict will indeed, result in a ful blown war

[fallow mantle]

What if he goes and allies with overwatch lol 💀

[wise grotto]

Well doom might be trying to build a massive thing of his own after he got the team to steal a power source from one of Ramms own ships during the invasions

[jaunty oar]

incredibly funny but dumb

[jaunty oar]

he wants humanity to evolve
ever since he got his limbs blown off as a kid and replaced with prosthetics be became obsessed with causing conflict to force people to become stronger

[jaunty oar]

i dont think talon will ever be unified anyway

i feel like thats the point

like overwatch is all about unity and talon is the complete opposite

[peak escarp]

Ramattra was supposed to be the big bad for the Invasion arc, too bad the Invasion arc was DOA

[thorny goblet]

I have a question. If I wanted to get a friend who's new to OW into the lore. Where the hell do I start? 🥲

[peak escarp]

start with the animated shorts, they're the most impressive

[thorny goblet]

Alright. Is there a playlist or compilation somewhere

?

[peak escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAYFVhxsaqDuOh4Ic5mRu5CiZVKCMVv66

[thorny goblet]

THANK YOU

[peak escarp]

this playlist has all the animated shorts, hero origins and Story Time videos

[thorny goblet]

Perfect, I'll send it over to them! :P

[peak escarp]

it's in reverse release order, so start at the bottom

[hardy pond]

overwatch could do really well if it made a series like lol did with arcane

[wise grotto]

Yes it really would but they just won’t do it for some reason

[rancid pine]

@strange compass hey

[livid girder]

orisa-efi lore where are u

i miss u

[abstract furnace]

why didn’t we get a movie

[livid girder]

REAL AF

i hope we get one in the future

[twilit patrol]

We were supposed to get a series but it got cancelled

Blizzard sued Netflix but I don't remember why

[abstract furnace]

prolly over a sensitive reason, typical

[livid girder]

my goodness, you learn something new everyday

[twilit patrol]

[livid girder]

[next moon]

I will forever mourn this

[spare fox]

Blizzard sued Netflix but actually they were in the right this time. Netflix poached an executive, violating a contract

[upper wraith]

S

[craggy thistle]

I see

Gm guys ! Hru? ^^

Hey i was talking to a friend last nigth. And (as a sumo noob myself lol) i told him "I REALLY want a sumo guy or girl from japan a as a hero!"

Buuut then he said "dont you think that ow has too many japanese heroes already?"

Witch, good point lol

[shy dagger]

We don’t have a TANK Japanese hero though👀

Also, lots of people have been wanting heroes that don’t fall into conventional beauty standards, so a sumo hero isn’t actually a bad idea

Yes people may be mad at yet another Japanese hero but it’ll be balanced by their uniqueness

[jaunty oar]

they were gonna raceswap every character including the ones that arent white

Typical netflix fashion

anyway jokes aside i think the main reason we are never getting a series is because

lets be fr it would be expensive as shit to make it good

and blizzard nuked the writing team a while ago so that doesnt help

and also didnt arcane not make enough money back?

pretty sure it just wasnt profitable although for arcane it still helped riot because of leagues shitty reputation and it pulled in more people to their game

which is what makes them their money

it could help overwatch the same way but i doubt blizzard would be willing to risk it

combine that with what spooky said earlier and yeah

i think the chances are higher now though since ow reputation is healing and the game is in a pretty good spot right now

[jaunty oar]

doesnt help that the warcraft movie flopped so fucking badly in the west

[wise grotto]

I think the big kicker is when comparing to arcane

League has single skins that have made them like a million dollars on its own (2.6million usd est alone in 1 hour in China)

Ow couldn’t dream of having that kinda just sudden amount of money from something g objectively scummy like fakers ahri skin

That’s also not counting the sales outside of the 1 hour stream that’s purely one regions sales for the skin in that one hour

[peak escarp]

if Overwatch ever gets a series or movie, it better be animated

none of that live action adaptation garbage

if anyone other than Matt Mercer plays Cassidy I will riot

[twilit patrol]

Fr

[peak escarp]

there is not a single live adaptation of an animated property that is better than the original

a couple come close

[wise grotto]

There’s 1 but it’s a live action of a comic property

[past copper]

Beauty and the Beast

MCU up to End Game

Hmm. Did the Men in Black and Ghostbusters movies come before or after the animated series?

BC if after, then they're movies are good too

[peak escarp]

you must be joking

[past copper]

Now hear me out

Not saying it was better than the original movie

But... I enjoyed the more detailed story and the added context in the live action

[peak escarp]

I literally said no live action was better than the original

the live action Beauty and the Beast was an abomination

[past copper]

Gotta disagree with you there

Beauty and the Beast was good

An abomination was Snow White

[peak escarp]

it ruined everything good about the original movie

[past copper]

At least movies like Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast tried to keep it similar to the animated film

But later movies did not do this

[spare fox]

lol in the original, Belle's kindness and quiet individuality is what won over and saved the Beast, in the new one, Belle is all like, "these STUPID rural people are SO STUPID GAWD." then later, "Oh no one likes us!"

[past copper]

And on that. What about the original TMNT movies from the 80s?

[peak escarp]

this

and DON'T get me started on the costume design

[spare fox]

"I don't want to wear a corsette! It's not feminist!" dude you are IN A PERIOD PIECE

[peak escarp]

also her dress just looked like a cheap prom dress

she could still not wear a corset and have a better dress

[past copper]

Ok. What are your thoughts on movies like Alice in Wonderland and Cruella then?

[peak escarp]

the "corsets were a patriarchal torture device" narrative is also old and tired

[peak escarp]

Cruella did not need a sad backstory to justify her being horrible

no Disney villain does

just let them be villains

[spare fox]

and the castle cast were so blah-ly animated and the voice talent was ughh

romantic (style, not that it's about love) storytelling FTW

[past copper]

I mean the thing to take away from that is nobody starts out evil. Something happens in their lives to turn them evil

[spare fox]

not everything in fiction needs to be justified or reasonable - it's about the story

[peak escarp]

but some people are just evil to start with

especially in fiction

[past copper]

Only ones not valid for being evil are the Red Queen and Gaston

[peak escarp]

and have you seen Cruella? her reason for being evil is so dumb

[spare fox]

I disagree, some people are just assholes and use other things to try to justify it: I just watched the documentary on Son of Sam/David Burkowitz and he's a prime example. He blamed not being able to get a girlfriend, being adopted, and his neighbor's freaking dog for why he went on killing spree of young women who were just minding their own business

[past copper]

I've seen it. It was a revenge story

[peak escarp]

she's getting revenge on some dogs because some unrelated dogs pushed her mom off a wall

[past copper]

Technically, she's getting revenge on the dogs owner while unknownly eventually setting up own downfall later on

[spare fox]

I haven't seen it, but like, they could have made it much better: greed > profit above all >cutthroat fashion industry

[past copper]

Speaking of Cruella. What about the live action adaption of 101 Dalmatians

[peak escarp]

anyway, we're getting off topic

no live action version of Overwatch could do it justice

[past copper]

Not asking for a live action of Overwatch

[spare fox]

agreed, I absolutely DO NOT want a live action OW

the character designs are too iconic

[past copper]

But I do ask, DON’T do it in the same animation style as Star Wars Resistance. Clone Wars, Arcane, or Tomb Raider would be perfect

[peak escarp]

I'd prefer it to be in Blizzard's art style, the one used in the animated shorts

[hardy pond]

Yeah that'd work well,

[spare fox]

imo, I didn't love the style in Genesis. I'd much rather it be in A Great Day's style. I love the cinematics too but they're way too expensive

[hardy pond]

If a show was to be made where would it start tho, start of ow 2 or starts with some charecters like arcane did

[past copper]

During the golden age of Overwatch

[hardy pond]

How much does a short cost to animate?

[past copper]

Before they were shut down

[spare fox]

noooo I'm so tired of the past

[livid girder]

yeah let’s move on to the future a bit

[spare fox]

I want to see the heroes we have now in action and interacting

[hardy pond]

Imagine reaper and soilder 76 charecter development throughout it

[hardy pond]

What cast would u wanna see

[spare fox]

it would just be rehashing what we already know

[past copper]

They would not do a series moving forward currently. That requires insider information given in advance before anything new is added to the game

[spare fox]

they were friends but drifted apart bc of differences of how things shhould be run and felt like they each were betrayed by each other

[hardy pond]

Tbf arcane did really well because it reintroduced characters lol fans already knew for new viewers

[peak escarp]

the series and the game don't need to be connected

[livid girder]

imagine arcane artists working on ow series

boom

[peak escarp]

one already does work on Overwatch

[spare fox]

nah I'd rather not wait 3 years for 9 episodes...

[hardy pond]

They better make torbion the main character

[livid girder]

torbion lmao

[hardy pond]

Imagine torb vs doomfist in the final episode

[past copper]

Just saying. Season 1 focus on the events of thr Golden Age of Overwatch. - Genji's battle with his brother, Blackwatch's illegal activities, and Overwatch missions

[spare fox]

maybe unpopular opinion, but I would want there to be a focus on the day-to-day of the Overwatch group in addition to the overarching conflict - the kind of stuff that there are photos of around various maps - and how the new team reacts to interpersonal conflicts with one another (and maybe how it contrasts with how the OG team dealt with it)

[livid girder]

yeah but i meant them making the art

[past copper]

Season 2 could focus on the downfall of Overwatch after Blackwatch was exposed

[livid girder]

this is also what i would want the most!!

[past copper]

Season 3 could focus on current events

[spare fox]

for as informative as it was, Genesis was boring af, if it focuses on the golden age like that it'll get cancelled

idk with the ending of Zero Hour, "is Overwatch back?" and Winston saying, "yes we are!" it feels like we should just go forward from there, just like how the PvE did

[peak escarp]

a large part of the artwork for Overwatch is done by an artist known as Nesskain, who was an artist on Arcane

his style is the Arcane style

[livid girder]

THATS WHY I THOUGHT IT LOOKED SO GOOD

[peak escarp]

he also drew the first comic that Brigitte appeared in

[livid girder]

i love sojourn
my wiiife

[spare fox]

(Nesskain's got a very specific thing for very large men)

[peak escarp]

I would link his Artstation account but he also does NSFW art so view it at your own risk

[livid girder]

i see

you don’t have to i can go look and take a peak

[peak escarp]

he also did all the hero origin stories from Moira to Sojourn

[spare fox]

apropos of nothing: does anyone else imagine Dr. Chao's voice like an evil version of Edna Mode?

like Edna Mode just being mean to friggin hamster and naive little martian who just wants her family to be safe

I really like how they're bringing in more antagonist/enemy factions

that's something that was lacking in the original OW cast - villains

[marble charm]

Can you blame him?

[spare fox]

I'm not blaming anyone lol, just adding tasteful color to doc's explanation

[real hamlet]

It doesn't matter, the past is gone.

[spare fox]

I just think the modern iteration of overwatch interacting with one another and the modern villains would be far more interesting than the OG 6 going against warbots

[velvet stirrup]

Blackwatch are very interesting in my opinion

[peak escarp]

I'd watch a Blackwatch series, but I am biased

[hasty merlin]

It's very good. I've finished watching it

[merry mason]

I want a blackwatch game, like a coop stealth game or something.

[fossil wren]

A Blackwatch series would be really good

[livid girder]

ngl there is so much potential stuff to do with blackwatch

[loud marsh]

I want to see what the young Genji who is full of hatred, wanting to recover to avenge himself and every elder and- and- and-. The glowing red eyes just add on to it. Then Cassidy who was figuring out how to thread Gabriel who was losing grip slowly but surely, Genji who was changing in the opposite direction as years passed, and Moira who is morally only in favour of science. That's how I imagine them all to have been like

I have read fanfictions here and there that are darker themed with theories of what happened or what it was like, but they're very hard to find and obviously not canon. Just interpretations of people

I'd like to see a canon version of it, but Idk if blizzard would delve into storytelling like that

[livid girder]

lolll i did as well

makes me want to see what really happened even more

[keen summit]

We might see sum for lupa today

[vital leaf]

Nothing beats the annoyance I feel at hating what Reinhardt did back then but still maining him for the Balderich skin.

Like if he had just stayed his team Balderich could've survived. They could've saved more people when they retreated. 💔

Anyways can someone tell me Ana's lore

[spare fox]

Re: Rein - that's great character development. That's how he learned to be a great teammate and leader

RE: Ana's lore, she was one of the original founding members of Overwatch, the best sniper basically ever. She even got a cybernetic eye to improve her vision even more. Married Sam, had Fareeha...

years later right before the fall of Overwatch, on a mission in Poland she was up against another sniper. When she realized it was Amelie Lacroix/widowmaker she hesitated and widowmaker shot her cybernetic eye out. Due to the injury she temporarily lost her memory and didn't meet back up with jack. He wound up leaving her behind and she was considered MIA

After recovering, her memories came back and she became a vigilante. She teamed back up with Jack for a while but they split up again. She met w/Cassidy with some suggestions for new recruits for OW, who are all now aware she's still alive. She visited the Watchpoint for Christmas and that's where it leaves off

[shy dagger]

Did Sam know that she was alive before the Christmas comic? Lol

Imagine going to a Christmas party and finding your dead wife alive there

[marble jewel]

Widowmaker is actually evil

She sliced her own husband, yk her soulmate

And gets mad when she gets called out for it

i like how soldier says “that was for gerard”

[wise grotto]

Who widowmaker actually is
Is a hollow shell of what Lacroix would have been that’s lost most of that part of her entirely only barelt holding on to a small bit of who she really is (why she still visits his grave)

[keen summit]

Villain isnt good

What a take

[marble jewel]

So

Does she stil feel empathy for her husband

[twilit patrol]

Nah

[spare fox]

She claims she doesn't but there are signs she does

[buoyant elk]

@rough gulch do yk doomfists lore ?...

[rough gulch]

I cant remember btw....

Im sure someone else here can fill you in tho

[buoyant elk]

I heard he was like gay or suttin

[rough gulch]

Nah thats soldier

[buoyant elk]

Oh u mean in the battle of 66 ?

[rough gulch]

Whats that btw...