lore-discussion

[marble charm]

Sorry I may have brought this upon you

[peak escarp]

I still don't understand how you thought Brig was equal to Genji

she hasn't even done anything in the lore besides that shield thing in Zero Hour

[stable sundial]

Which lore character do yall want to see added into Overwatch

[steady saddle]

Based on an assumption and a bit of the cinemic we see

[stable sundial]

I really want Maximillian but I know it’ll never happen

[peak escarp]

assumption

[steady saddle]

Yes the lore is so shit

[peak escarp]

you can't make assumptions and claim they're lore

[steady saddle]

It’s an assumption based on the interactions they have, genji commenting on them sparring and brig been seen in trh cinematic to keep pace and track with genji on even grounds

Only outspeeding her when he manuevers on higher ground like the buildings

Based on that I think it’s fair to say Theh are similar power levels

A random kid doesnr spar with Mike Tyson everday

[stable sundial]

You think brig beats Genji 1v1?

In lore?

[steady saddle]

I think they are similar in power level

[peak escarp]

there's only one interaction about them sparring

    Brigitte: Aw, come on. I didn't hit you that hard.
    Genji: If that is the case, our enemies have much to fear.```

[steady saddle]

Mhm

[peak escarp]

I don't think that implies she is stronger than him

[stable sundial]

I think the only issue with that is brig has a lot less experience

[peak escarp]

only that she can hurt him

[steady saddle]

Ofc not but u don’t spar somebodu ur weaker then

[peak escarp]

I strongly doubt that Genji would be using his full strength when sparring with Brigitte

[stable sundial]

So many people spar with people weaker than them

[steady saddle]

True but her durability should be higher too tbh seeing as she designed and upgraded reins latest armour her armour should be equally as good the only limit is how much she can carry

[steady saddle]

Same with brig u don’t go all out sparring

[stable sundial]

It’s the ole argument about speed vs durability

[steady saddle]

And she is shown in the cinematic to be able to keep up in speed wirj him

At least on even ground

[stable sundial]

Also do we need to talk about in the literal main cinematic of Genji and Hanzo that he is capable of controlling both his and hanzos dragons with his sword

[steady saddle]

Also genji doing more damage to robots then brig doesnt really show shit

It’s easier to cut soemthing then bash something in

[peak escarp]

when does she keep up with him?

[steady saddle]

Hanzo has never been going all out

[steady saddle]

I forgot which but it’s one of the robot cinematics or animated comics

Theres so many of them

[stable sundial]

I think brig easily loses that 1v1 imo

[peak escarp]

she's only in one cinematic

[steady saddle]

Must be an animated comic

I forogt where I saw it

WAIT NK

I REMMBER

it’s the one where Lucio brig rein tracer are deployed to rio

[steady saddle]

Genji orsia overhyped as shit

Sombra too

Echos lore is so empty

I csnt call her overhyped tbh

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/UrqmJ-fTnkE

not sure what you mean by "keeping up with"

they're all fighting bots

not exactly a challenge

[steady saddle]

No thats not the one

Brig isn’t even running in this clip dummy

[peak escarp]

she is

she saves Lucio at the end

[steady saddle]

She didn’t run she just whipshot

[peak escarp]

that's my point

I don't know what other clip you mean, this is the official Rio mission

if you're talking about gameplay, that's not canon

[steady saddle]

No
Ofc not

Theres a scene of genji and brig running together

[stable sundial]

Can you find it?

I don’t know what scene your talking about

[steady saddle]

Honestly I’m too lazy too

I can probablt find it but even if I donit won’t chsnge anyrhing 😒

U still won’t agree with me

😞 😞 😞

[stable sundial]

Building armor does not equal fighting capabilities is my issue

She can build armor but Genji cuts through entire huge omnics in cut scenes

[steady saddle]

Building armour does = durability

[peak escarp]

Genji is still a cyborg

Brig is a human

[steady saddle]

Reins armour is shown to be stronger then thst hollow shit

[stable sundial]

But rein has a lot more armor than brig

[peak escarp]

the lore has shown many times that cyborgs are stronger than humans, and almost as strong as omnics

[steady saddle]

Theres like one cyborg

Genji😭 😭

Many times where

[steady saddle]

Fair but ay

[peak escarp]

Genji, Doomfist, Sojourn

plus other npcs

[steady saddle]

Doomfist and soj habe cybernetics

Theh ain’t cyborgs

[peak escarp]

what do you think cyborg means?

[steady saddle]

A cyborg is somebody’s who bodu is majority metal, cybernetics like 90% of the cast havr are just enchmanets or replacements for limbs

Cassidy has a metal arm but he ain’t a cyborg

[peak escarp]

Sojourn is more cybernetic than Genji

[steady saddle]

No shes not

[peak escarp]

yes she is

[steady saddle]

Soj csn take off all her cybernetics and be alive

Genji wikl die if he dies

[peak escarp]

Sojourn's cybernetics are her entire body

she cannot take them off

her organs, bones, arms and legs

she has an autoimmune disorder and has been getting cybernetic replacements since she was 13

[steady saddle]

They are enchamnets not replacements

[peak escarp]

alright, I think I'm done

clearly you're a troll

[steady saddle]

Is a fucking human wirj a metal heart

A cyborg now

I can go that now

??

I can em get an artificial heart to pump my shit

Genjis entire body got rebuilt by tech

Like cyborg from justice league

Soj just got parts enhanced

[peak escarp]

false

[steady saddle]

I can get most of the shit she got right now

Wikl thst make me a cyborg.

[peak escarp]

yes

[steady saddle]

Cyborgs don’t exist twin 🫩

[peak escarp]

if you replace most of your organs and bones with cybernetics, you would be a cyborg

Breathing deeply, Chase explains it the way she has a thousand times. “I have a condition—an autoimmune disease. My spine, heart, lungs, and most of my bones were replaced with cybernetics in a medical procedure. I can prove it—

Sojourn is so cybernetics that the scanners mistake her for an omnic

[steady saddle]

I can get most of that shit today

Replace my limbs my heart my limbs metal rods in my spine

[peak escarp]

she has synthetic skin over her arms and legs

[elfin bane]

you definitely can not get all cybernetic limbs and most organs and bones advanced as sojourns in today’s tech what are you on about 😭

[shy pine]

ight my wife has been talkin about this conversation and I had to join and put my 2 cents in. Brig < Genji and no you could not get 90% of the cybernetics Sojourn has today. 99% sure this guy is rage baiting lmao

[stable sundial]

Oop

[shy pine]

Replace your heart? yea its called a pacemaker and is extremely fragile. replace your limbs? sure! you would barely be able to pick up a soda can, let alone a weapon. metal rods in your spine would make you less mobile, you would not be able to move like sojourn xD

[steady saddle]

But I can technically habe everythint she has

Woukd thst make me a cyborg? No

[shy pine]

yes it would.

[steady saddle]

No

Cyborgs don’t exist irl

🫩

[shy pine]

LOL

you're ragebaiting.

A cyborg (/ˈsaɪbɔːrɡ/, a portmanteau of cybernetic and organism) is a being with both organic and biomechatronic body parts. The term was coined in 1960 by Manfred Clynes and Nathan S. Kline.[1] In contrast to biorobots and androids, the term cyborg applies to a living organism that has restored function or enhanced abilities due to the integration of some artificial component or technology that relies on feedback.

[steady saddle]

?? Ur genuinely saying cyborgs exist irl

U watch too much scfi

[shy pine]

"a being with both organic and biomechatronic body parts"

having a pacemaker would make you a cyborg. if you have a mechanical prosthesis, that makes you a cyborg.

Cybernetic-Organism. CYB-ORG :)

[stable sundial]

My question is why does it matter to a video game what you can actually get done irl.

If someone was in Genjis situation or sojourns situation they would not be alive

[azure flint]

lol

[peak escarp]

just to clarify, a pacemaker isn't an artificial heart - it's a device that gets implanted into your chest with leads going into the main ventricles of the heart that will shock it when the rhythm is abnormal. Artificial hearts do exist, but a pacemaker is different.

[shy pine]

I was actually looking into this, I stand corrected lol. there is a artificial heart with a pump/vacuum that entirely replaces the heart. however, I would still stand by the fact that it would be fragile and not an "enhancement". thanks for the clarification tho :)

[azure flint]

mauga will be real in a few years

big buff dude with two hearts

[shy pine]

Both hearts PUMPING xD

[azure flint]

one artificial

[stable sundial]

Also if you look at brig in game or in any cinematic. She doesn’t even have that much armor covering vital places. Meaning Genji hits her with one good sword shot and she loses

She is missing armor on the fronts of her thighs and there are obvious gaps in her armor near her arms and stomach area. Meaning that she is not covering vital organs and would not win a fight against Genji who is a trained swordsman

[steady saddle]

Bc cyborgs arent a real thinf

If I can get all of sojs shit done on me

It’s not a cyborg

[stable sundial]

I just picked a random message to reply to. Obviously you know a lot about the lore. Do we have any information about what Moira did to reaper to make him how he is

[elfin bane]

you can keep denying a definition but you are wrong

[shy pine]

I sent you the genuine definition of the word

[elfin bane]

i think everyone just stop replying to this person (brig main)

[shy pine]

rage baiters lol

[steady saddle]

Mind u I’m only here bc 2 people @ex me

To ask me sormthing

🫩

[elfin bane]

fr

[steady saddle]

Yall brought me into this stupid chat to ask me sormthing then call it rage bait

Don’t ASK ME SHIT AND @ ME THEN

[shy pine]

oop

angy

[marble charm]

Aren't both his hearts mechanical now

Maybe I'm misremembering but I'm pretty sure he got the first one added

[stable sundial]

I think they are both mechanical?

[marble charm]

And then eventually replaced the original real heart

[marble charm]

Yea

[stable sundial]

I think one of my favorite interactions in game is when venture calls reaper a nickname that sombra told them to call him

They call him gabrielita or something and he’s like “Sombraa 😒”

[azure flint]

cant wait for the real lore coming back

next year

[stable sundial]

What lore is coming next year??

I haven’t payed too much attention to lore in a while/lore announcements

[azure flint]

idk but i heard the lore is gonna pick up again next year

[peak escarp]

hope so

[rare trail]

pacemakers dont replace your heart

[peak escarp]

yes we've clarified that

catch up

[rare trail]

oh i was scrolled up

[peak escarp]

it isn't clarified, but because of her speciality being genetics we can probably guess that it was some kind of gene therapy

it was small at first, but then when he got blown up she gave him a mega dose to keep him alive

[keen summit]

yeah basically

[maiden coral]

Oof

[stable sundial]

I want to read all the lore but I’ve seen so many of the cinematics so many times and I don’t wanna rewatch them again but I can’t remember what I’ve seen and what I haven’t

[spare fox]

You've seen them so many times you don't want to rewatch yet you can't remember which ones you've seen?

Just pick your favorite heroes and watch and read the lore for them and go from there

[stable sundial]

More like I just don’t know the names of the cinematics and so I’ll watch it but know what’s gonna happen in the entire thing

Like when I click on one I’ll go “oh I’ve seen this one before” and then I’ve gotta just click onto the next one and go through each one and see if I’ve seen it or not

[grizzled drift]

Just wondering, what exactly is a feral omnic?

Are they mindless savages, or would one with a train of thought work

[covert thicket]

Rammatra

[elfin bane]

wait where in lore does it say feral omnivores

[elfin bane]

on if

omni’s

omnic

[spare fox]

The only feral omnics we have heard about are in the outback of Australia

We don't exactly know what it means

IMO I think it was something added for OW2 and the soft-retcon of the junkers hating omnics

Ok they still hate omnics BUT it's feral omnics they have been hunting/fighting

I think feral omnics are probably omnics that totally live off the grid and are aggressive when they come across humans probably due to how they were treated

[elfin bane]

prob

[merry mason]

Iirc in the start of the Hammond comic they fight a couple and they’re at least conscious enough to spout some dying curses.

[merry mason]

Sorry I meant to reply to this guy

[stiff pelican]

lol

[loud heron]

Hey guys, I’m back on OW after a long break and trying to finally finish my PS4 Platinum (sitting at 95%). I just need 4 trophies left — the 2 Zenyatta ones plus the Roadhog + Lúcio environmental kill ones. Is anyone able to help me out and/or give me some tips on how to get them? Would really appreciate it!

[twilit patrol]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

Juno is the strongest character in the lore

[twilit patrol]

She ain't

[worthy rose]

She is tho

[twilit patrol]

How ?

[shy dagger]

We need an updated version of this

[steady saddle]

Juno gets slammed by ball

[icy frigate]

ILLARI LORE — PART 1: ORIGINS, BACKGROUND, AND EARLY LIFE

Birthplace and Cultural Roots:

Illari hails from the mountainous region of Peru, steeped in rich Andean culture, and shaped by ancient traditions. Her home lies within a secretive and spiritually driven society known as the Inti Warriors, protectors of the Sun Temple—a place infused with celestial energy. The name "Illari" itself is rooted in the Quechua language, meaning "dawn" or "radiance," symbolizing light, rebirth, and the will to protect.

The Inti Warriors are descendants of ancient guardians chosen by the Sun God Inti, who imbued their bloodline with a special connection to solar power. They wield this energy not through advanced Overwatch-like technology alone, but through a hybrid of mysticism, solar-tech engineering, and spiritual discipline.

Illari, born under a solar eclipse (a rare and symbolic event for the Inti), was considered a child of prophecy. According to ancient scrolls preserved by her people, an eclipse-born would one day rise as the Solar Sentinel, a protector of balance in a future age of chaos.

Her family lineage carried a mix of pride and pressure. Her mother, Yuriko, was a healer and solar priestess; her father, Tupaq, was a craftsman who built solar cannons and armor for the Inti guards. Illari was trained from a young age to inherit the best of both worlds: the healing arts and martial capability.

Training with the Inti Warriors
From the age of six, Illari underwent intense spiritual and physical training at the Solar Citadel, a temple-city nestled in the peaks of the Andes. The young warrior acolytes were taught how to connect with the sun’s energy, meditate under solar convergence points, and wield specialized gear forged from solarium crystals—a mysterious mineral that absorbs and channels sunlight.

Her mentor, Grand Seer Alqamar, recognized her potential early.

[elfin bane]

that’s prolly pin worth NOT PIN WORTHY STUPID AND WORTHLESS

[spare fox]

It's AI generated

[elfin bane]

fuck me

i thought they just had illari hyper fixation

😥

[opaque tundra]

I read the first half and there’s just random things in there that are irrelevant and don’t sound accurate

Like she doesn’t have a mentor. That’s made up

[icy frigate]

Chatgpt wasn't accurate for me

[elfin bane]

then use your own brain lil bro

dependent creature

[icy frigate]

No

Also, wdym "Creature" ;-;

[icy frigate]

Like holy ;-;

[elfin bane]

i don’t have to explain myself

[void quartz]

Im not a fan of omnics

[icy frigate]

Yes you do

5030

[elfin bane]

okay then i mean creature as in i have a strong distaste for people reliant on ai
you added nothing of value by adding that paragraph of untrue information and then acted like it wasn’t your fault when you said “chatGPT wasn’t accurate for me” when you could have just looked stuff up(?) if you actually wanted to know more about illari or to spread information about her

[icy frigate]

I never said it wasn't my fault

[elfin bane]

well that is what it sounded like

sounded like you were blaming the ai for giving you false information

as if that isn’t a well known fact

[icy frigate]

Why even serious about the lore?

[elfin bane]

[icy frigate]

🥹

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[rose fossil]

Is there a timeline anywhere

[spare fox]

pretty sure Doc has one in the Pinned messages

[old python]

Yes

Also yes m

[fossil wren]

Who the fuck is Grand Seer Alqamar

Next time you're going to try to contribute something regarding a character's Lore, at least do your own research and don't use an AI, Btw sorry maybe I sounded a bit rude with that

[fast heron]

You know how for some reason Kiriko is 21 while her brothers are pushing 40?

Why not just make Genji and Hanzo younger why are they pushing 40 in Overwatch 2

Early to mid 30s seems reasonable

I’m sure there are some continuity issues that come with that tho

[keen summit]

Kiri should be older we all know

People in their twennies being "childhood friends" with someone who is five, got matching bowlcuts, went to arcade together etc as friends we all know is off

[paper raft]

Hanzo and Genji are not her brothers 🙂‍↕️

[elfin bane]

it’s already been confirmed she is actually 26
they just haven’t changed it in game for some reason

[fast heron]

I know they’re not related

Not even cousins just family friends

I’m exaggerating kinda

[keen summit]

Because older sells worse or sum

They wanted young cool japanese girl without the effort

[elfin bane]

yea

[peak escarp]

her actual age doesn't matter, people still think she's a teenager

[indigo delta]

I understand why they made kiriko look so young- but it’s unfortunate, because I think it would be cool if she had more scars or facial lines, like most people her age do

[elfin bane]

shitposting

[elfin bane]

yea fr

[indigo delta]

Like mei was 31 before she was frozen for like 9 years and she looks over a decade older than kiriko- when they’re only 5 years apart physically (since mei didn’t change at all from the 9 years canonically)

Idk I feel like what made Ana’s character so good is how much she’s experienced and how you can visually see that in her character design, I wish they would do that for more of their female characters:/

[peak escarp]

I dont know many 26 year olds with scars or facial lines

[indigo delta]

Every 26 year old I know has both

not as much as a grandma ofc but they have smile lines and stress marks

[indigo delta]

You’re telling me kiriko would’ve never fallen off her bike and gotten a cut that left a scar? And she never smiled enough to get smile lines?

[peak escarp]

Blizzard's art style is soft - even older characters like Ana, Sigma and Reinhardt don't have a lot of wrinkles/lines on their faces

[indigo delta]

They do tho?

[peak escarp]

she's also healed by the kitsune

[indigo delta]

idk what characters you’re seeing

[indigo delta]

Scars are healed wounds

There’s no excuse to her not having scars except for they just don’t want her to have scars- and we all know the reason why💀💀

[peak escarp]

you don't need to reply to everything I say

lots of heroes don't have scars

[indigo delta]

I know I want to because I’m interested in the topic

[peak escarp]

you can just talk without pinging me

[indigo delta]

Ok

I mean scars themselves aren’t a fixation for me- I think they are cool for character design but I guess i wish kiriko had more detail in her physical design that matched her personality and age more

[peak escarp]

I wish they would correct her bio so we know what her age actually is

[indigo delta]

So valid lmfao

Sorry I’m used to replying to people so sry if I ping u

[peak escarp]

they fixed Sojourn's age when problems were pointed out with it, so why not Kiriko?

they even retconned Zenyatta's age entirely in OW2

[indigo delta]

idk I have a crazy theory about it but I’m not gonna get into it lmfaooo/hj

It’s not that crazy of a theory but still it’s not lore related so I won’t bring it up

[peak escarp]

what's the theory? they want her to look young to sell more skins?

[indigo delta]

yeah lmfao- like the gatcha game weirdo demographic I feel like

[peak escarp]

I can't deny she gets an unfair amount of skins... but I also really like most of them so

[indigo delta]

It’s a easily profitable market all they have to do is have a conventionally attractive young female character and make skins of her and there’s a demographic who will always buy them

[indigo delta]

I like 90% of skins.. but I’m saving up for a really expensive car so I buy none of them🙁🙁🙁

[peak escarp]

rip

[indigo delta]

I feel like they do it in a way that isn’t so obvious that everyone can enjoy kiriko still but her full potential is held back a bit

Just my opinion, a theory, and in Minecraft

[peak escarp]

lol

[indigo delta]

But I will forget about the theory and abandon it completely if they add mama hog

[red olive]

Invalid, you misspelled hong

[peak escarp]

[wraith aurora]

shes the youngest (ow2 wont grow characters age by some reason lol

[lone atlas]

wait are the actually related… i thought it was a saying or smth

kiriko is a shimada?

[elfin bane]

no

[elfin bane]

well no she isn’t

[peak escarp]

her mother was the Shimada swordmaster and her father was their weaponsmith

so as a child, she trained with the brothers

[red olive]

Orisa is like 1

[peak escarp]

the youngest humans are Illari [18] and Wuyang [19]

the youngest heroes overall are Orisa [1], Echo [14] and Wrecking Ball [16]

[lone atlas]

oh ok

i thought it was smth like that

thanks!

[shy dagger]

Kiriko not being shimada, at least from her mother’s side, is the biggest Mandela effect in this franchise.

[indigo delta]

It’s hog right?

[red olive]

Explain the lore behind my stadium dps queue being 25 minutes

[indigo delta]

cuz she’s related to road hog I thought

Idk

[indigo delta]

LOL FOR REAL

[red olive]

Reasonable logic

But no its hong

[indigo delta]

Old ass hamster

[red olive]

Like jobby the hong
The figure review youtube channel

[indigo delta]

okay well I want her either way- come to mama

[red olive]

#ad

#sponsor

Like hong kong

[indigo delta]

Ty for disclosing as that is a law

[red olive]

This might be the worst conversation ever
What am I saying

I think I need sleep

[indigo delta]

It’s pretty peak

[red olive]

Wait no ill just queue tank instead of sleep

And feed

Im a genius

[red olive]

Truly

[indigo delta]

bro might be smarter than all of us…

[red olive]

Thats the secret behind us doomfist players

We queue ranked after 2 consecutive all nighters

[indigo delta]

I prefer portals

[red olive]

😭

Ffs

[indigo delta]

Better nostalgia game

[red olive]

Best dad joke of all time

[indigo delta]

I miss portals (I can play it whenever I want)

[red olive]

I have never played portal

Deadass

I have it

Just havent played it

Yk what

Ill play it right now

Goodbye

[indigo delta]

WHAT

[indigo delta]

You better

It’s actually so peak

Well portal 2 is especially peak

[austere cloak]

Teeth ASMR

[fossil wren]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[austere cloak]

Mb bro

[thick kite]

[indigo fossil]

can lucio do the sound barrier in lote

lore*

[keen summit]

yes

actually

[indigo fossil]

thank you

[keen summit]

his healing and speedboost fyi arent canon

theyre just like, giving hype music and uhh soothing

[spare fox]

hm I do wonder if there is something to the hard light healing, after all

because he does use hard light - his dad's tech

like, I know now in the lore he probably does not canonically have healing but there might be something down line where he adopts healing tech to his kit

[paper raft]

Or healing hard light tech in general is adapted, giving us more Vishkar characters

Weaver's biolight is probably the closest 'healing' hard light in lore

[spare fox]

we already have the healing hard light with LW

[paper raft]

Yeah

But like if Vishkar starts looking into something like that to go into the medical world as well

That'd be interesting, especially on how Ziegler may react to it 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[mossy vale]

Is it hard light, fire light, or bio light? In game he says fire light I’m pretty sure unless I’m totally hearing him wrong

[spare fox]

I think he says "bio light"

it's just his soft voice and most probably in-game noise making it sound distorted

[keen summit]

yeah its biolight

as its biological material

[gray prism]

Yo.

[neat void]

have they 100% dropped the lore? any chance if it coming back in teh future

[peak escarp]

they haven't dropped the lore

we just got lore with Wuyang

[neat void]

like anime or sumn

[azure flint]

who knows maybe

next year

[keen summit]

ill repeat my analogy:
atm its like we are in a filler arc in an anime. we get consistent worldbuilding and basic "this faction exists and now you know more about it!" type of lore

we arent moving forward, we are basically constantly getting new parallel stories

think of it as theres a line of when null sector attacks on cities are happening and somewhere along that line stories are getting added such as "oh they attacked this city and wuyang protected it, how far in the timeline are these attacks now? good question."

[edgy pagoda]

do we think they will eventually move forward

or do we think we’re just going to be stuck where we are for the foreseeable

[twilit patrol]

I think we will move forward sooner or later

It would be a shame if we stuck at where we are

[edgy pagoda]

100% agree

[spare fox]

Shroomie on twitter posted an interesting thread theorizing that the gladiator hero coming next is going to be associated/affiliated with Talon

drawing parallels between their teaser and doomfist's

I thought it was pretty interesting

[shy dagger]

I’m not sure if I’d like this really..
We already have a ton of evil tanks. Would rather the next villain be a support or a dps

[spare fox]

it is weird how tanks have a tendency toward villain and bad actor archetypes

well it's likely - not certain, but likely - that the next DPS will be Anran

but Gladiator girl being affiliated with Talon sounds interesting at least

I kind of wonder if she's going to be related to the anti-omnic storyline too. She very much looks human imo, but a human fighting gladiator matches against omnics and possibly other enhanced humans...

idk it could really be a lot of tension

[shy dagger]

I think she’s gonna be more related to the archives plot.

Being related to the guy they killed at the end of the event and trying to enact revenge

[spare fox]

Possible

Another foil for Talon at least

Still, we haven't gotten a Talon hero since Mauga

But they have been peppering in a lot of indie heroes and nonOW/Talon heroes too

[raven nest]

lore wise, sigma is the strongest character right? i remember reading that somewhere but im not sure, i also heard lifeweaver is quite strong

(nvm just checked the pins, but i do wonder who the strongest is)

[spare fox]

it's subjective and conditional, there's no clear cut answer

[potent briar]

I feel like canonically Sigma and Illari are probably two of the most powerful characters in the roster

[edgy pagoda]

this ^

like we have one (1) villain support

[spare fox]

ngl I don't really think they are paying attention to the faction or motivations of characters when they decide to make a hero a certain in-game role

In-game roles are not canonical like a hero's motivation are

It was so annoying how before Sigma, it was constantly being insisted, "we need a Talon tank"

Actually, there's no confirmation that the teased Hero 45 - the female gladiator- is going to be a tank, is there?

We're just assuming she is a tank based on release patterns, which aren't set rules devs follow

[edgy pagoda]

nah i get that completely!

and i also doubt they focus on the lore aspect of it more than how they play in game

just from a lore pov it sucks because moira is herself on a team of support heroes canonically lolol

[fleet scaffold]

Here's a lore topic. Is the basis of characters like Kiriko and Wuyang based more in magic or very very advanced technology?

At what point does it stop being technically possible and become just entirely magic bound?

And would you argue at best that its a hybrid? A sort of alchemy where it's a fusion of tech and magic?

[spare fox]

it's tech; there's no magic in overwatch

[near hare]

so do we think Venture actually eats rocks? Thanks -star girl

[frail slate]

i can dig that

[near hare]

oh I've never thought of it that way before ha ha

[frail slate]

youre welcome ❤️

[near hare]

huh?

[frail slate]

huh?

[near hare]

What?

[frail slate]

what?

[near hare]

Why?

[spare fox]

please stop

[near hare]

I'm confused

why are you doing this

[frail slate]

i agree

[near hare]

?

[spare fox]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[frail slate]

oh no whatever will i do!?

[near hare]

I really wish they didnt add magic to the lore

like for why does kiri do the thing she do

[frail slate]

i really wish they didnt add magic to the lore like for why does kiri do the things she do

[near hare]

bruh

pls stop

[frail slate]

i was typing that first

[near hare]

?

[frail slate]

stargirl whats your favorite part of the overwatch lore

[near hare]

thanks for asking!

i like when symmetra set fire to a low income area in her comic

i like when they make a hero complicated

what is your fav part of the lore slugling?

[frail slate]

i liked this part too !! 😄

[frail slate]

my favorite part was when they bombed bap's village!

[near hare]

oh

thats cool i think

what part of Ireland did Moira grow up in?

i really wanna know since im from there

[frail slate]

moira actually grew up on Mars with her scientist family! a common misconception about overwatch is that this storyline belongs to the charactere "juno" but, as it turns out; juno isnt real. the overwatch community created her as a collective figment of their imaginations. the truth is, a chicken did fry that rice and moira is a martian

[near hare]

oh

i didnt realize she was from mars

[frail slate]

go tell all your friends

[near hare]

i thought that was the flying girl

[frail slate]

there isnt any flying girls

"juno" isnt real

[near hare]

oh

my b

[frail slate]

😄 👍

[coral hill]

Is mercy and Reinhardt a thing?

If not I don't know why, since dude is a tank and she is a healer it only makes sense

[peak escarp]

we don't know where she grew up, or anything about her youth really

don't listen to the troll

[frail slate]

stargirl is not a troll dont call her that

[peak escarp]

not her

you

[left nova]

It's true I was the chicken

[edgy pagoda]

no?

rein and ana are/were far closer from what we see

[coral hill]

Dang for real? That's a let down😭

[edgy pagoda]

where did you get the idea of mercy and rein out of curiosity?

listen to some of ana and reins lines. while not canon because.. obviously, they’re much different to anyone else’s

[leaden hornet]

im so glad

i thought i was in a nitemare but thx 2 u i no now that juno is just a figment of my imageination

[worthy rose]

I want more Kiriko

[static forge]

Just watch the movie

4 hours

[coral hill]

When I play with my buddies I play a horrible rein so mercy is my little pocket and so it just branched into me shipping them together and I came here hoping

[coral hill]

Overwatch has a movie?
Where do you find it?

[static forge]

Youtube

Find a chronological order playlist one

Prob will have 2 small movies and the rest is origin stories of characters

[coral hill]

Alright for sure I'll give it a little peek thanks 🤙

[static forge]

👍

[opaque tundra]

It

's a compilation of animated shorts

There's not an actual OW movie but it would be cool to have one

[spare fox]

in the pins of this channel, there are lists and links to the various media

[lament swallow]

When did glup shitto meet tracer in the lore?

[keen summit]

his old concept art seems to imply he was gonna have cyber stuff, perhaps at first they made it that he controlled water with a mind implant

[pearl halo]

Wait yall

Smth im not getting here

So widow

Did she kill her husband or no?

Cuz idk where but i saw that she killed her husband despite her still having her free will

[keen summit]

she did

[pearl halo]

Why did she do it then?

Mind controlled or sum?

[edgy pagoda]

brainwashed by talon

[peak escarp]

Talon kidnapped her and tortured her, turning her into a sleeper agent

after she killed him in his sleep, she feared she had nowhere to go so she returned to Talon and let them continue to work on her, supressing her emotions

[pearl halo]

Oh icic

Yea basically they forced her to come to them, even tho she regrets what she did she cant do nothin abt it now

[hallow geyser]

Well, over time, her emotion suppression has worn down

That's why Moira always asks her how she feels and stuff

She's becoming more aware and sad about it all

So, widowmaker emotion revival arc coming soon 😆🥹

[pallid python]

Do we know the abilities of the Iris/Aurora? Besides harmony and discord orbs on Zenny?

[opaque tundra]

It’s implied in an interaction with Sigma that Zen’s hovering ability is caused by the Iris

That’s kinda it

As far as we know

[fossil wren]

Zen orbs arent canon in lore

[peak escarp]

the orbs as weapons aren't canon

they're actually meditation aids

[fossil wren]

Sorry my bad

That

[wise bronze]

Sigma coolest

[pearl halo]

I feel like ingame nothing is in lore atp

Only soldier having a gun is lore accurate 🙏

But makes sense why they did that tbh

[keen summit]

theres quite a few things

theyre often just different

either in amount of power or exactly how its used

[spare fox]

Midseason patch often gives little lore bits. Often, but not always. Usually some more interactions

However there's no hero release next season so it's highly doubtful there will be hero teases

[shy dagger]

We’ll probably get teases for the new hero at the end of the season

[grand wedge]

th next hero has been teased ever since stadium is playable. If they add any more teasers, it would be on Italian maps, probably

[pearl halo]

Can you elaborate?

[grand wedge]

Hero 45 is going to be a gladiator lady with a sword (probably with some energy blade), and she is nicknamed the "she-wolf of retribution"

[pearl halo]

Hoping its an actual sword and not some shooty thingy, a melee dps would be cool

Tho i cant stop thinking that this is basically magic with extra steps, she gon be Behold the fool moon in ult and do a monke type thing 😭

Tho i wonder why theres a 45 in roman numbers

Oh nvm ik why

Well i just hope she wont be a melee genji and just have a dash and a block, and acc have smth unique

[spare fox]

It's heavily speculated she's going to be a tank, but dps is possible too

[pearl halo]

Even better tbh

But i expected dps since there are no melee dps yet, tho yea that would make sense

Seeing how she a literal gladiator

[hushed jetty]

werewolf character would go CRAZY though lets be fr

i hope she's an omnic, obviously she's in armor so its hard to tell but she kinda looks like one

[spare fox]

Yeah the eyes do kind of look lit up. Not sure if that's stylization to indicate where her eyes are or indicative that she's an omnic/cyborg/uses a helmet with lit eyes

Does anyone have the dev doodle handy? Iirc that was human looking?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/s/uNM0pC3jud

Yeah she looks born human, but augmentation/cyborg not out of the question

[pearl halo]

Those glasses look sick

Sadly they wont be in design from what it seems 😔

[elfin bane]

i just hope she looks cool

[hushed jetty]

aw boooooo

[slim marlin]

Please

[pearl halo]

Tho they keep adding and adding new characters without really putting them in the lore

Like they basically did with the last few characters starting from denture

[wise grotto]

If she’s the immediate next hero she’s gotta be a tank
My guess is our next dps is wuyangs sister who’s played up for it a lot

[pearl halo]

Ngl that would be cool, but how would they adapt her since she basically works the same as wuyang, but with fire

[wise grotto]

I’d imagine they’d lean more into the martial arts cause I don’t remember her actually having a staff on her in the comics like wuyang

[spare fox]

No, she doesn't have to be a tank. It's a release pattern they followed for a few years but it's not necessarily a rule
Do I think she's going to be a tank? Probably
Does she have to be a tank? No

[wise grotto]

Didn’t they say now that there was more even numbers they’d be following the release schedule
And they have been since then
It really really would make 0 sense to randomly decide to not do that anymore

[spare fox]

Nope, there's no "schedule" to the roles of heroes being released

In 2023 they released 2 healers and a tank, 2024 it was 1-1-1. It's been 1 whole year of that "schedule". It's not a rule

[keen summit]

Maybe combo hero like tf2 pyro

[pallid garden]

Can anyone tell me what doomfist’s actual methodology is

Like what does talon even do

[opaque tundra]

Something about strengthening the world through conflict

[slim marlin]

I want melee DPS

[pallid garden]

Yeah but like does he have a plan or does he just terrorize numbani 😭

[opaque tundra]

It's implied he has some sort of plan in the works, we just don't know what the specifics are

He's teamed up Null Sector but he's recently stolen their technology for a "power source" thing

A Great Day has that "power source" thing hint

It's the most recent development

Masquerade and Storm Rising also have more hints

That's all I know from the top of my head

[obtuse yarrow]

whos the mc of ow

wasnt it expected to be cass cuz ana wanted him to lead ow

[spare fox]

There's no MC

Closest we have is Winston or Tracer

[vapid tusk]

Tracer is or used to be the face of OW as a franchise

but lorewise Winston has plot armor

[pearl halo]

Probably winton id say

And for doom all his ideogoly is humanity fights among themselves, therefore they weak, i will become threat so big they will have yo unite to beat me, and then ill have won cuz unity or smth

Which is stupid cuz we all know the instant talon falls everyone will fight everyone again

[vapid tusk]

are you saying doom is madara uchiha

[weary swift]

I dont rlly see a full melee kit dps ever coming tbh

It would be too aggressive kinda take away from tank role ig? And genuinely would just be more situational character if anything

Like the closest we have to a full melee is either venture or genji and i think their kits work

But full melee nah

Genji becomes melee during ult too i think that showcases how strong a dps could be if for instance can hit multiple targets just from m1 hold

[weary swift]

Tracer was the face that everyone ignored tbh

dva i think was probably the most “iconic” character of overwatch 1 as they try to push it to kiriko in ow2

[slim marlin]

Well I mean the melee DPS doesn’t HAVE to be dive or anything like brawl would work

Like there’s brig on support

And genji is strong with his melee

But that’s also his ult

[peak escarp]

Doomfist was a melee DPS

until they made him a tank

[slim marlin]

Valid

[peak escarp]

this is veering into off-topic territory, but even heroes who are considered melee heroes (Brigitte, Reinhardt, Doomfist) still have ranged options because Overwatch is a hero shooter

[slim marlin]

I argue Doomfist isn’t really melee as a tank

[pearl halo]

id say doom is in a fine line split between melee and ranged, ranged because he shoots, melee bcs to have some good value he gotta get up close

[spare fox]

All heroes need to have some kind of range otherwise flyers would have even more of an advantage than they already do

[rare trail]

i think i made

pretty accurate canon skin list for tanks

dva - maybe academy? but only baby if you even wanna count it
doomfist - formal,talon
hazard - none
junkerqueen - wastelander
mauga - port-de-paix
orisa - or15, null sector
rammatra - traveling monk, wandering monk
reinhardt - balderich, griefhardt, liuetenant wilhelm, bundeswehr
roadhog - mako, sharkbait, militia
sigma - subject sigma, dr de kuiper
winston - specimen 28, ugly sweater
wrecking ball - horizon, lunar, junker
zarya - arctic, siberian front, weightlifter, champion

im not 100% on anything here really if anyone has thoughts

[peak escarp]

for Academy, it's actually the mech that's canon

the design comes from Mecha Guardian V, the game D.Va was a pro at

when it comes to skins with recolours, only one is canon

also D.Va has Nano Cola, which is seen in some ads in Shooting Star

[rare trail]

but like did the mech actually exist?

[rare trail]

ic ic

[rare trail]

oh i missed that mb

[peak escarp]

no but that's where the design comes from

[rare trail]

ohhh icic

i vaguely remember traveling or wandering was shown in lore somehwere

[peak escarp]

I have to update my gallery for OW2, but I made images for all the OW1 skins that appeared in canon

plus one bonus:

[spare fox]

heh, though I do wonder how "canon" the junkrat and roadhog ones are... they're more like "convenience canon" since they animated that short in the game engine and just switched out their skins for already-existing ones to make it easier

retroactive convenience-canon

[peak escarp]

they did dress up in disguises

[spare fox]

yes, I know but those skins weren't made with canon in mind, they were used retroactively in the short so they didn't have to come up with new assets for the short

in this case, the skins came first, then the lore. In the other cases, the skins were made because of the lore

[peak escarp]

I believe Pajamei first appeared as a spray in Archives 2017 before appearing as her outfit in cryosleep in Rise and Shine (which would have been in production at the time)

and then became a skin for Archives the following year

[pearl halo]

For rein id argue griefhardt and baldereich arent Rein's cannon but baldereich, since the griefhardt is his armor but decayed (seen in that one castle map at Point 3)

If we talk about them being cannon, then definitely yes (idk if we saw the green one in a cinematic or smth tho) but cannon as rein is defo no

[loud marsh]

I love that Hanzo's midlife crisis casual style is canon. What I know is that last Christmas the characters being in the Christmas comic also has Hanzo shown as his casual skin, meaning that he just looks like that rn. I love the look

[vapid tusk]

does genji canonically dress up as "cyborg ninja" every halloween?

[past copper]

Does Bruce dress like a bat every night?

[worthy rose]

[full oxide]

chat where can you read the ow comics?

[opaque tundra]

It’s on the website. Under Game Info and in the Media tab

[rare trail]

null sector isnt really orisas canon either in that sense

which fair if you dont wanna include either, but i still think its notable that the skin exists like in the lore even if the specific char doesnt wear it

[azure flint]

@peak escarp question is dva 21 or 22 rn

[azure flint]

k ty

[weary oyster]

How old is mercy

[dire hatch]

whats going on with cassidy/mcree

[peak escarp]

Mercy is 39

[peak escarp]

what do you mean?

[worthy rose]

Mei

[atomic crest]

any news on the phara stadium skill? triple volley

[blazing cobalt]

I am not caught up with the lore Ever since the whole debacle with Kiriko and the slow introduction to magic and my friend posted this on twitter, is this accurate?

https://fxtwitter.com/ancqor/status/1969303988974608667?s=46&t=7Lz8caDcZYmPbBGRQ43WUw

[spare fox]

I would say it's not entirely accurate. For one, it's subjective, two, it's an ongoing narrative and we will definitely see them all again and third, it's been confirmed that there is no magic in Overwatch, just tech that hasn't been fully explained yet

for the bottom three rows,
Lifeweaver - an ongoing antagonist to the antagonist Vishkar and is likely going to introduce us to the Arcology
Venture - pursuing whatever ancient artefact that Talon is looking for as well- also was noticed by the "eye conspiracy" so relevant there
Hazard - is involved with Oasis now that he's stolen the vanadium. It's strongly theorized (maybe implied) that Moira wanted a human test subject for it so she is involved with that, possibly even gave him the damn suit he showed up with

Juno and Wuyang are very young so they don't have much significance. But at least Juno is tied to the ongoing Lucheng Interstellar plotline.
Mauga is also looking for the ancient artefact for Doomfist and has history with Baptiste

Junkerqueen - we'll likely see her again since she's in the process of fixing up a Null Sector ship with Wrecking Ball in hopes of going on a "road trip"
Kiriko - currently working on getting the Hashimoto out of Hanaoka/Tanezaka. I would bet a million dollars she joins Overwatch "soon" once that story is complete
Illari - see the most recent short story, there's too much too summarize. She'll be important again, surely

the whole thread - which I suspect is written with AI - is poorly-written. It's equating "introduced a new faction and setting" with "not advancing the story" which isn't true, and also preemptively saying that "they did one thing and now they're irrelevant" since they haven't (YET) continued their respective stories. Like I said, it's an ongoing narrative

[peak escarp]

imagine thinking a hero's relevance is only what we see at their launch

D.va, Zarya, Lucio, Baptiste, all heroes who were relatively unimportant at launch and became more entangled in the plot as it progressed

for some that took years

[edgy tree]

I feel like that's a better approach than just putting someone inside the lore all of a sudden

[peak escarp]

sometimes it can't be avoided

it would have been nice if we saw Ashe in Cassidy's lore before she was added, but she was made up for the Reunion short

technically she was retconned in - as was Cassidy being a founder of the Deadlock gang (before Ashe's introduction he was only known to be a member)

the lore is constantly growing and evolving

but sometimes we get things the other way around - like with Brigitte, who was in the lore for 2 years before becoming a hero, and Emre, who we're still waiting for since 2018

[edgy tree]

soj too

[peak escarp]

it's hard for them to plan out heroes in advance, because sometimes it doesn't work out

we were supposed to get Mauga in 2019, but the kit they made didnt suit him, so they made Sigma instead

then again in OW2 s2 Mauga was supposed to be released, but he wasn't ready, so they released Ramattra instead (who was supposed to be released after Invasion)

releasing Ramattra early kinda ruined the suspense of Invasion

[spare fox]

(at that point they knew PvE was going to be cancelled so they didn't even care)

[azure flint]

do you guys think we're ever gonna get more lore events like archives

i know the old ones are broken but could they make more of those

not necessarily set in the past but just more of those pve events with cutscenes

[calm star]

idk if shipping wars are allowed in lore but can i say how weird it is that phara and mercy get shipped, mercy knew phara since she was a young child and thats also the child of someone she works with.

[azure flint]

its a forced ship

[final wedge]

can we talk abt the lore implications of whiteluciocrying sticker

like where the fuck did this even come from

[elfin bane]

it looks like frogger

[peak escarp]

Mercy knew Fareeha when she was a teen

well, 11/12

but Mercy herself was only 17

there's something between them, but it's most likely just a strong friendship

[peak escarp]

there are no lore implications

[azure flint]

i wish they did mirrorwatch part 2

was mirrorwatch before venture

[peak escarp]

I want them to remake Archives

[azure flint]

we got like 5 heroes since mirrorwatch so itd be cool to get an updated one

what if winston and juno switched lore

and do some cut ones like what if winston landed in junkertown

[foggy crescent]

In your guys personal is reaper in the wrong or right for killing Antonio in the retribution mission?

[final wedge]

propaganda

[peak escarp]

I think Antonio deserved to die, but the way he did it was bad

they should have kept it quiet

[azure flint]

how did that leak again

[peak escarp]

Reyes blasted him through a window

if they had just assassinated him quietly, they could have gotten out unnoticed and Blackwatch wouldn't have been exposed

I think Moira's treatments were giving him anger management/impulse control issues, and he just snapped while they were talking

he went in planning to kidnap Antonio and pressure him to give up the names of Talon moles

[azure flint]

wonder how much longer blackwatch would've been a secret if that didn't happen

or how long ow would've lasted since iirc antonios killing is what brought ow down in the end

[peak escarp]

tbh it was bound to leak eventually

you can't keep something that big secret forever

OW was already under suspicion when the Venice Incident happened, that just pushed it over the edge

the real nail in the coffin was the HQ explosion - without Morrison and Reyes there to defend Overwatch, it was done for

[calm star]

still 6 years and also a year later pharas 12 n mercys 18

[peak escarp]

what

they're 5 years apart

so when Pharah was 12 Mercy was 17

and nowhere does it say they were friends then - they were seen in the same photo, that's it

[full oxide]

im curious as to what exactly turned reaper evil

because afaik he had his cellular degeneration during his overwatch days

[azure flint]

anger issues

[junior nexus]

I think its bc talon promised that they could cure him of his powers, since he kept dying and regenerating at intense speeds with a lot of pain

[full oxide]

im not sure that explains the fact he genuinely enjoys doing evil things now😭

i think voicelines/ingame reaper and lore reaper are very different

[junior nexus]

He doesnt seem to enjoy it though. I feel like he treats it like a 9-5 job, both in lore and in voice lines. I think he just doesnt have a choice

maybe moira has something to do with it?

[full oxide]

have yiu ever been on fire as reaper before

[junior nexus]

yea, he is my main for dps

[full oxide]

his on fire voicelines sound a lot like he enjoys what he does

[sturdy sierra]

Since that comic celebrating Pride featuring Illari & S76, I've been hoping that Illari's lore will start to get more fleshed out. Does the developer team have any plans for her at all, or has she just been left by the wayside?

I thought it'd be a great direction for her if she picked up a contract with a private security organization, similar to Pharah

[proven goblet]

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[peak escarp]

it started when he reached out to Moira to help him with an unknown issue (possibly genetic, relating to his SEP conditioning?)... she took things farther than he anticipated and he gained his wraith powers shortly before the Venice Incident

when the Swiss HQ exploded with Morrison and Reyes inside, Reyes was nearly killed - Moira found him in the wreckage and saved him with a mega dose of whatever gave him wraith powers - now he's constantly decaying and regenerating uncontrollably, but he has a greater range of powers (like being able to teleport and turn entirely into smoke)

it's unknown why he stays with Talon, but he has been hunting down and executing former Overwatch agents

in the short story "Code of Violence", he talks with Doomfist after he is captured (before the explosion) and Doomfist questions whether Reyes has truly been able to make a difference in the world, first as a cop then as a soldier then as a member of Overwatch - Reyes feels frustrated that despite locking up badguys, there's always bigger badguys and corporations that go free

so he may be targeting former Overwatch members because he feels like they failed in their mission

[maiden pasture]

But what’s his beef with Morrison? Or is it just OW in general?

[peak escarp]

maybe he feels like Morrison is the worst offender of all, being the leader of Overwatch but not really doing much to deal with crime? the lore hasn't really touched on it but I hope they will

I hope we'll get to see what really happened at the Swiss HQ, they've hinted at it enough

[maiden pasture]

Yeah that would be really interesting. Also it’s interesting that Morrison is actively hunting Reyes as well is that because of his work with Talon?

[peak escarp]

yes

but also he knows Reaper is Reyes, so maybe part of him wants to try to save his friend

[maiden pasture]

Ah that’s actually a nice way to look at it tbf

[lyric chasm]

considering the last short story is about her as you said, I wouldn't call that being left aside. But the game has 40+ characters, with comics and short stories coming out slowly, so they can't satisfy everyone all at once.

[lyric chasm]

not long, apparently they were already under suspicion bc of Reyes and Lacroix's "holidays" in places they shouldn't be in, and they were having seemingly pretty violent interventions (wiping out the Shimada clan) in countries that didn't want them doing that

[sturdy sierra]

Well, true, she hasn't been entirely forgotten

[lyric chasm]

I wouldn't call that being forgotten at all

[sturdy sierra]

Ok, fair enough

[pearl halo]

Y'all mentionned the venice incident many times

But

Whats the venice incident

And why does it matter so much

[hushed jetty]

the venice incident is when blackwatch had a mission in italy to capture a powerful member of talon known as antonio, but reyes killed him instead, forcing them to fight their way out. this led to blackwatch being revealed to the public, which eventually led to their downfall

[peak escarp]

"the Venice Incident" is how the Retribution mission from Archives is known in-universe

[worthy rose]

this is gonna sound dumb but why are the overwatch members fighting each other?

[cyan star]

The PVP matches that we play are not cannon

[cursive olive]

it doesnt matter just a bunch of misinterpretation of what the incident was frm ppl like @hushed jetty

[hushed jetty]

whar

[forest finch]

Whats new updates

[digital linden]

i'm excited to see what's gonna happen with this grand mesa watchpoint and the deadlock gang

[vapid tusk]

didn't the reaper turning evil thing stem from jealousy of Jack Morrison getting the "leader of OW" role?

[peak escarp]

no

that is what the public believes in-universe, but the truth is still unknown

Reyes was happy to let Jack be the leader and have to deal with the beaurocracy and red tape

he wanted to do things his way without any oversight, which is what led to Blackwatch

[vapid tusk]

ahh ok

[dreamy agate]

Winston is actually Sombra using advanced hologram technology to control overwatch.

[lone atlas]

where’s your evidence

/silly

[spare fox]

The sombra marionetta emote now a deep cut

[worthy rose]

Mei

[marble charm]

I know at first glance this doesn't look like Lore but one second!

The theme for submissions is "What if the Omnic Crisis never happened"

[marble charm]

So whatcha think

[peak escarp]

Reyes but he's just a dad

Morrison but he's happily married to Vincent

[marble charm]

Holy peak

[peak escarp]

most of the heroes would have completely different lives if the crisis never happened

[marble charm]

Would omnics have existed without the crisis? I don't remember if the Iris thingy that caused life was before or after

[peak escarp]

Ramattra, Orisa and Echo would not have existed

[marble charm]

Or as a result/precursor

[peak escarp]

Bastion and Zenyatta were made before the crisis, but they'd be mindless robots without the Awakening

[marble charm]

So the awakening was caused by the omnic crisis?

I think hanzo is one of the heroes who would have changed the least?

[peak escarp]

the Awakening ended the crisis

[marble charm]

The battle with genji still occurs

So he still enters his emo phase

[peak escarp]

if there was no crisis, Aurora would have no need to sacrifice herself

[marble charm]

Right yea

[shy dagger]

Mercy would still be a doctor but with a happy family

[peak escarp]

but no Overwatch to save Genji, so he dies

[marble charm]

Yea

[shy dagger]

NOOOOO

[marble charm]

Cassidy and Ashe would still be crooks

[peak escarp]

Sombra, Mercy and Baptiste aren't orphaned

[shy dagger]

What would happen to Winston

[peak escarp]

Ashe would probably be poor - her family was weapons dealers who profited off the crisis

I think the ape situation on the moon would still happen, but when Winston flees to Earth he doesn't find Overwatch, so he's never granted personhood

Lucheng probably recaptures him

Hammond crash lands in normal Australia

[marble charm]

I guess illari sees no changes

Or was the tech and ritual a result of the crisis as well

[peak escarp]

it's unclear

[marble charm]

It seems like something that her people would have been doing for

Years and years

But obviously that tech has to be pretty modern to the story

[peak escarp]

maybe without the tech, and the tech is just a newer thing

[marble charm]

Yea as a response to the crisis

No crisis = no tech to make her a bomb = her people live

[peak escarp]

Torbjorn and Reinhardt would have never met

so Torbjorn's youngest daughter would not be named Brigitte

[marble charm]

So brig would end up just being a plain old engineer too

With a different name

The more I think about it

[peak escarp]

Hazard would still be living in a shitty apartment with his dirtbag dad

[marble charm]

I think Juno might be the least affected

[peak escarp]

with no dog and no girlfriend

[marble charm]

No robo gf :(

[marble charm]

Iirc the Mars colony was started before the Crisis

[peak escarp]

yes

[marble charm]

And obviously her life wasn't affected by it at all

[peak escarp]

at least, they left for Mars before the crisis

[marble charm]

Yea

Why did she leave Mars again?

Was there an issue on the colony?

[peak escarp]

Sojourn would still be a cyborg, since her augmentations were a life-saving measure started when she was a child

[peak escarp]

yeah they were running low on supplies and lost contact with Lucheng

[marble charm]

Yea I assume all of the "soldier" characters from OW will just be retired veterans

Who served and likely never actually fought

[marble charm]

Ah right so she'd still head to earth

[peak escarp]

Ana, Jack, Gabe and Reinhardt were all military before the crisis

[marble charm]

Yea

Crusaders also existed before the crisis iirc so rein would still be a crusader

The crisis just started mass producing them

Tbf I feel like

[peak escarp]

I think the Crusaders were made for the crisis, but Rein was still in the German military before being a Crusader

[marble charm]

Alot of the heroes like Jack and Gabe would still end up the same way as some form of conflict would have occurred but I think this alternate timeline (Neverwatch?) requires that the world was just peaceful

[peak escarp]

yeah I'm approaching it as "what if there was no conflict at all"

[marble charm]

Nah just double checked the program started about 10 years prior to the crisis

[peak escarp]

Anubis never tried to kill all humans and just did its job maintaining the environment

ah

[marble charm]

The suits were originally made for deep sea mining

But the German military brought the rights to it

xD

[marble charm]

Yea

[peak escarp]

Dr. Liao probably would still be alive, since there would be no terrorist group trying to assassinate her

[marble charm]

I feel like echo would still exist in this case?

[peak escarp]

Echo was part of Dr. Liao's efforts to recreate Aurora - if Aurora never dies, she has no reason to try to remake her

[marble charm]

Unless she takes a different route of study because omnics never gained sentience it makes sense to me that she'd have continued to pursue artifical intelligence

[peak escarp]

maybe

[marble charm]

Maybe not echo herself but something very similar

[peak escarp]

Echo but she's her own person instead of trying to be Aurora 2.0

[marble charm]

Yea

Just another highly intelligent AI

Bastion might not have existed at all

If we assume the world is entirely peaceful

I mean it's unreasonable to assume that war machines weren't still created

But if this is a "perfect world" bastion may never have been built

As Anubis wouldn't have done his mass production of the bastion unit

[peak escarp]

Bastion was made pre-crisis

not by Anubis

Ramattra was made by Anubis

[marble charm]

Ah my bad

[peak escarp]

the E-54 Bastion line of omnics were made as peacekeepers for human-human conflicts

since those would still exist

[marble charm]

Yea

Crazy junkrat would just be renowned chemist

That's a drastic change

[peak escarp]

Roadhog would have the quiet peaceful life as a farmer he always wanted

[marble charm]

🙏🙏🙏

[peak escarp]

hard to say what Junker Queen would be doing

[marble charm]

Junkerqueen would be a professional rugby star don't @ me

[peak escarp]

I can see it

[marble charm]

But yea she could be literally anything

[peak escarp]

the next Ilona Maher

[marble charm]

😒

There's better

Jk I love Ilona

I think Moira would be

A really interesting one

I don't think talon would have existed

Isn't current Doomfist a result of the crisis

[marble charm]

I wanna say she'd be Portia Woodman but Portia isn't Australian either

[peak escarp]

idk she's the only muscle mommy rubgy player I know by name

[marble charm]

xD

Nah Ilona is awesome it's valid

Portia is just my goat

[peak escarp]

also I loved her on Dancing with the Stars

[marble charm]

Clip of barreling down the pitch and to stop a defender from Tackling her, woodman just sticks her hand out and holds the other player off by her throat

😭

[calm star]

i feel like echo will never have the same level of consciousness as aurora i think echo is just learning how to feel when aurora was born with that ability, echo will never match up to her but that doesnt make her less valuable just different like even orisa will have a higher level then echo imo but this is js my opinion

[elfin bane]

yes

that’s true

echo isn’t even sentient actually

[calm star]

yeah shes js learning how to act human she cant like think shes js an ai

[elfin bane]

only aurora and the robots that were made when aurora caused the awakening

yea

[calm star]

yeah its sad that omnics are a single generation species its rlly depressing if u think abt it

i wonder if the iris could like grant more new omnics the ability to think or smth

i wonder if echo connected with the iris and spent time at shambali would she awaken? or js get better at faking her thinking and feeling

many questions

will never be answered bc the show got canceled

[jaunty hedge]

alright, I have a few questions regarding the lore, so whats Juno, freja, and venture's story? Who are the ravagers? I dont mean to interrupt but I just joined and wanted to see if anyone knew the answer

[calm star]

did u watch the cinematics?

[peak escarp]

Juno was born on Mars - her parents were part of Lucheng Interstellar's mission to establish a colony on Mars. When the colony lost contact with Lucheng and their supplies began running low, they built a ship and sent Juno to Earth for help.

Freja is a former Overwatch agent who specialized in search and rescue. When Overwatch was shut down, it left a black mark on her record and nobody wanted to hire her - except as a bounty hunter. Now she takes bounties where she can get them and tries to hide her ties to Overwatch.

Venture is an archaeologist working with the Wayfinders to explore ruins with ties to omnics. They have had a few run-ins with Talon, and they were contacted by Sombra for possible work in the future.

The Ravagers (R7000 units) were a class of omnics made by Anubis during the crisis - they were elite units designed to lead other omnics in combat. After the Awakening and the end of the crisis, Ravagers were particularly hated by the humans who had to fight them, and most of the surviving Ravagers were hunted down. There are two known Ravagers in the lore - Ramattra (the leader of Null Sector) and Revel (one of the Phreaks who hangs out with Hazard)

[jaunty hedge]

wow, that was really in depth I appreciate it!!

what about the phreaks and the wayfinders?

[peak escarp]

the Phreaks are a group of anarchists who are anti-government and seem to be taking in people who were wronged by the government in some way.

the Wayfinders is an archaeologist group that is excavating ruins. Not much is known about them, but their logo appears on the Petra, Malevento and Temple of Anubis maps

[spare fox]

Ok but what if they do announce they're making an animated series or anime.... but it's yet another China-exclusive 💀

[peak escarp]

wait for fansubs?

[fossil wren]

Blizzard wouldn't be able to shoot itself in the foot so hard

[hearty flax]

You doubting blizzard on that one bro

[keen summit]

i think shed either be rugby or a wrestler/mma fighter

shes just the type to really like mma i bet cuz she likes fights

[mint flame]

Winton

[manic kite]

Winton

[fierce tiger]

Hello, is anyone interested in forming a group to do the game's achievements?

[lunar grove]

“Hello everyone, is anyone here from the US? I’d really appreciate your help with something.”

[fierce tiger]

i'm from brasil, sorry

[tidal belfry]

Wujang lore be like hi im Harry and I went to hair school

[spare fox]

Watch them do it tho... lol all these region-locked events to China. Watch it be leading up to a series that focuses on or has Wuyang as the POV character
(which ngl would kind of fit with a shonen-type series, "beginner character introduced to a new world" tropes)

I'm halfway joking with the cynicism but see potential in my cynical doomerisms

[peak escarp]

I'd watch a series with Wuyang as the protagonist

he's likeable

[spare fox]

yeah I mean personality-wise he's basically this "generation"'s Tracer

optimistic, trying best, silly lil "power" - very shonen protagonist

like... it'd surprise me if they really were doing an animated series but IF they were, it wouldn't surprise me if that's one of the routes they took because let's be real, the target audience for an OW series would be the "shonen" audience

[marble charm]

That was a big appeal of Arcane too

Our heroes are young, naive and thrusted into adulthood when they aren't ready for it

And the fight scenes are animated with that hyper fast paced, fantasy esq, anime vibe

And I agree it would work great for Overwatch

I mean alot of the fights we have already seen in cinematics do feel Shonen and anime inspired

[vapid tusk]

he definitely has the energy of one

[worthy rose]

👋

[marble charm]

What's the general consensus on

Omnics awakening?

I know it's a common debate of "magic vs no magic!" And I'm a believer the story team insisting everything in the universe is tech based

But I'm surprised that people don't mention the awakening when discussing the matter

From my point of view, and at least as far as my knowledge goes, Omnics are genuinely sentient, with real souls, and "zero coding needed to think" (not entirely true as we see they can die and be harmed)

And that happening from one omnic(who iirc already awakened?) Ascending into the Iris

To create all other omnics sentience

Is kinda, magical?

[spare fox]

aha! but there IS a science to sentience and such
scientists who are studying it still have a ways to go, BUT, there is a general theory that sentience and sense of self are related to or a result of gravity and by studying quantum physics, we (or rather those studying it in depth) can get closer to how that all comes to be

actually, the new Dan Brown book goes into it. I haven't read it yet but I'm interested in how the concept is explored in a fictional sense

but it seems to have an underlying theme very close to Overwatch's - but instead of omnics, sentience is granted to the golems of folklore

[marble charm]

Icic might be a fun read

[marble charm]

So the idea here is that in theory there is a possible explanation that we haven't discovered yet, and Aurora had access to the technically to grant sentience to every omnic on the planet through this means

[spare fox]

yeah it's def an interesting theme to explore. To paraphrase what you said about omnics needing coding to think, how omnics are "just machines" how can they be sentient, but if you think about it in a way that's analogous to humans: humans are just series of clumps of cells that are firing at exactly the right way that we are considered sentient

[marble charm]

Yea very interesting

Cause my understanding is that omnics still need "code" just as we need our brain chemicals, or else popping mondatta in the forehead wouldn't have done anything

But omnics can't be hacked in the same way a factory line machine could be

[spare fox]

yes, Aurora was able to "upload" sentience to all omnics. I personally theorize that it has something to do with gravity: she 'ascended,' Zenyatta's interaction about how the Iris gives him the ability to float without propulsion, Aurora specifically chose one of the highest points in the world to ascend - and gravity and quantum physics behave differently at the highest altitudes - barely noticeably but still measurably different

[spare fox]

exactly, just like how a body can experience death in the brain or heart and can still be kept alive artificially but the sentience isn't there, not the same way it was anyway

[marble charm]

Yea that makes sense

You can also always chalk up "projecting the code to all omnics globally" as 'quantum physics go brrr'

[lyric chasm]

I stand by the Zenyatta quote of magic being science we don't yet understand. I love the science aspect of exploring sentience and inherited memory. Shamanism, mass hysteria and second states of conscience (to link back to Zen's transcendance state) are phenomena that happen throughout history and cultures. Doesn't have to be magic.

This is all me being a non-science person making stupid science-ish guesses but Aurora's also named after a phenomenon that happens when EM waves from the sun wash over the Earth. Apparently such strong enough phenomena could completely ruin our devices, satellites, and maybe even the connexions between our synapses ? So who knows, maybe they'll bullshit their way through that?

There's a lot of mention of Radio/EM waves in the lore. Iirc, in the latest short story Vincent mentions rocks somewhere that can shelter people from being reached by Anubis (?), Aurora caused the Awakening that way, Anubis took control that way, Sombra can manipulate that through EMPs, etc.

[twilit patrol]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/comic/Ramattra-comic/

[dusk granite]

why did i nearly almost cry watching that ram story time

[twilit patrol]

They really released this out of nowhere

WHAT ?

[dusk granite]

damn they're really still teasing it everywhere possible lmao

as long as its a new tank hero im happy

[twilit patrol]

Well it's supposed to be a tank I guess

I hope anyway

[fallow mantle]

Omg ramattra storytime

[twilit patrol]

This comic is peak

[shy dagger]

https://youtu.be/kQ_y0QcorJ8?si=WCYe9RJQwe3V6GGN

This just popped up randomly in my feed lol

[spare fox]

now THIS is the kind of lore we've been wanting!

-continues the Talon-hunting Zen bit, a bit anticlimactic there but I guess that wasn't the point

[twilit patrol]

They need to cook hard next year

[spare fox]

I am HYPED after this

only notes I have is - maybe next time they can get both voice actors to voice their characters, since they're both characters that have VAs anyway

[spare fox]

Zenyatta just like, his kidnapping meeting could've been an email. lol nope

oh and Ramattra was in Shambali (christmas), Zen was in Suravasa/Shambali, but Ram has Talon pick him up and bring him to London... 🙃

[peak escarp]

they always do one VA for these things

I still think the Christmas is in the future, after this comic and all the Invasion stuff is settled

[spare fox]

yeah but in the past it's pretty much been only 1 playable character focused on, and if other appear it's just a cameo or one line, this one was a whole conversation between them

[lyric chasm]

oh to hear Ram's voice in a longer format 💜

VELINXI again !! 💜

She must be having so much fun haha

[peak escarp]

Andrew Robinson was the writer on most of the best lore

[merry mason]

Which ones did he do

[peak escarp]

this is what the wiki lists

[spare fox]

he's not specifically an OW employee, he's on Blizzard's franchises and whatever division it is that does cinematic animations, right?

[fossil wren]

Ram nation we won

Gonna watch this when i get to home

[winged compass]

The rammatra comic is so interesting

Sucks that they stopped adding more lore I guarantee you a Netflix series would make them millions

[fossil wren]

Oh they know