lore-discussion

[shy dagger]

So they’re expanding off that now it seems

[peak escarp]

she does sound less hostile

[azure flint]

waiting for voice comparison

[keen summit]

Thank fucking god

I couldn't stand the kinda, flat way of saying stiff

[merry token]

https://x.com/kirikoupdatesow/status/1956775714188828703?s=46&t=CUX_YIJGrE60CM9k0aYUrA

Kiriko Updates (@KirikoUpdatesOW)

Here is a new Hanzo intetaction!

The old Hanzo interaction has been entirely gone and replaced with this one. Hanzo is now concerned about her father instead of her mother! 🤔

Watch the caparisson video below! What are your thoughts?

X · Aug 16, 2025, 5:51 PM

[fossil wren]

It's a good change although I've seen too many kiriko mains complain about it

[fickle gull]

eleni??

[spare fox]

are they known for something?

[azure flint]

holy shit thats so much better

idk what happened at blizzard but they fucked up kiris voice lines so bad

unless the va herself did so

but shes like really good as peni in rivals too so idk

[spare fox]

yeah there was something off around that era, JQ's in-game character didn't really match her cinematic one, but at least you can kind of argue that the cinematic was JQ as an unreliable narrator

since she breaks the 4th wall, and that once she was in junkertown she got more irradiated-power went to her head

[cobalt kite]

Does Wuyang have anything to do with Mei, since he's also Chinese? I've noticed that heroes with the same nationality often have some affiliation in this game

[fickle gull]

no?

not that we know of anyway

juno is vietnamese & she has connections to mei, a chinese character so...

[cobalt kite]

I didn't say they had to be the same nationality, I meant characters with the same nationality often have some connection

[wise grotto]

Venture and soj didnt end up having any connectio

[cobalt kite]

Oh is Venture Canadian? I didn't know that

[wise grotto]

Yep

[fossil wren]

Half mexican half canadian

[worthy rose]

half canadian is not a real thing..

[fossil wren]

There is something called dual nationality

[peak escarp]

Pharah is also half Canadian - her father is First Nations Canadian

[viscid ledge]

Oh God. A furry

Tell me why Wuyang’s bare fingers glow when controlling water balls?

[peak escarp]

because it looks cool

[past nest]

I hear her Quebecois accent

[peak escarp]

she's not quebecois

her father is from the west coast, probably Vancouver

[past nest]

BC is washed

[peak escarp]

rude

[past nest]

I like Seattle's cheesecake factory more

One of the best things about NA

[fickle gull]

smth smth nanotech

[spare fox]

Again, a lot of the heroes have glowing effects as part of their in-game vfx - it's not story-canon, just there for in-game user interface

[loud echo]

I wonder who is wuyang's sister

[elfin bane]

anran

[loud echo]

Hmmm

Cool

Well the reasoning is wuyang eliminates ash he says something about his sis

[grave frost]

he also says hanzo is like his sister

[spare fox]

and Mauga - heroes that cause burning

I think it's like, "you've got nothing compared to my sis"

so I know they're unveiling WoW Midnight at opening night, but is there any set time for when they'll play the OW trailer? I imagine it's not during opening night show because it's not listed there and will probably be during a separate maybe general-Blizzard show?

and by show I mean like.. what do you call them? segments?

[hollow mulch]

The overwatch trailer will be at xbox’s day 2 presentation on thursday

[spare fox]

Thanks

[spare fox]

just musing here - the trailer is either going to be HUGE or a HUGE disappointment-
they've already revealed the mythic skin
Wuyang was introduced (we might get a short cinematic like Freya's still, tho. Maybe that's what they're holding back on as a "surprise"?)
they've gone into all the new perks and their philosophy on that
Lucioball (which is suddenly super popular ig) coming back for s18
we got a preview of the new payload race maps for stadium

[rare trail]

sister also releasing alongside wuyang fr

[merry mason]

Prob just season 18 trailer

[spare fox]

I mean yeah, and that's "worst" case scenario

[elfin bane]

plot twist

they releas 18 early

and everyone is happy because wu yang

[spare fox]

lol people trying to finish the BP or drives would be so mad tho

[elfin bane]

plot twist

they let you do old battlepassss

[spare fox]

that would be a nice addition to the game tbh

[elfin bane]

i’ve seen speculation about it

[oblique spoke]

I want Moira to Clone herself!

[spare fox]

I don't think that's her area of expertise lol

[ornate pike]

Wait guys… am I trippin cause this whole time I actually thought Ana and reinhardt are lovers but I got told they aren’t😱

[spare fox]

not officially confirmed lovers but they are flirty and very fond of one another

[ornate pike]

Got it.. thank you!

[keen needle]

they aren’t?????

[cerulean owl]

what's the lore behind the stadium announcer??

[opaque tundra]

He’s an omnic

I don’t know if we know anymore

[loud marsh]

Bri'ish

To me sounds like Jumanji car man

[thick burrow]

disgusting

[lean sequoia]

[languid blaze]

We need more rammatra lore🙏🙏🙏

[shy dagger]

https://youtube.com/shorts/uoaMB5ny6Ck?si=Qk7Mhxb3bIy2RNt3

WUYANG CINEMATIC

[rancid kite]

Would've gotten a bunch with the PVE 😞

[spare fox]

I knew he'd be scooped by overwatch

[keen summit]

So whos that person goong like wuyang wont matter to the story as he now seemkngly will be part off overwatch

[shy dagger]

Kinda expected, but really nice considering he might have been completely sidelined from the main story after his release like Illari or weaver

[spare fox]

Tbh I think this is their way of "sideling" him in a way

Now he has a destination and isn't in limbo

Hm I wonder if the gladiator hero coming s20 is going to be affiliated with Talon somehow

I wonder if they're going to touch upon unenhanced humans vs enhanced humans vs omnics in matters such as gladiator fights

[peak escarp]

as expected, they were holding on to the Wuyang short until Gamescom

and it seems like he gets recruited by Overwatch?

[past copper]

Who knows. But to be fair, the team could use as much man power as possible to fight against Null Sector and Talon now that they’re not funded by the UN

And let’s be real here, medics help to win wars, so Wuyang would be a valuable asset to the team

[azure flint]

new ow member

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

whos even the last person to actually join ow

in the lore

orisa?

[peak escarp]

Orisa and Juno

[past copper]

Not surprised Overwatch would approach Wuyang

No question they heard about how he, a college student with unique combat and medical capabilities, defended his city and protected civilians from Null Sector

Bringing him in would be beneficial not just for the short handed team, but for all those affected by Null Sector’s invasion

[spare fox]

Yeah kind of a sure thing

What I'm actually surprised about is that they pushed him into place so quickly

Maybe they're listening to feedback about how each new hero is like adding more unraveling threads to be neglected for years rather than adding to the story tapestry

[past copper]

Or it’s the more realistic fact that the current Overwatch only has two medics, Mercy and Baptiste

Because when you really think about it, Brigitte, Lucio, and Juno aren’t actually medics next to those two

So having Wuyang, someone trained in the medical field of his college, would actually give the team a third medic

[ruby ridge]

Or his sister Ankara or whatever her name is noticed he doesn’t like the idea of college/water college and told him to try his chances in overwatch

That’s why HES going to overwatch and not the other way around

Or they just send letters to random kids across the globe

[spare fox]

heads up, the chinese language dub of the hero trailer is up on bilibi

[digital star]

I really wish there were more Talon supports, or any villainous support aside from Moira really

It's been 8 years since Sanjay Korpal was revealed to be part of Talon

[ruby ridge]

The thing is I think they struggle with making an “evil” person who’s in talon be a support

[digital star]

Make it happen 🥺

[ruby ridge]

I low-key wish they give moira and apprentice or something from Iraq/oasis

And that person is a support

Moira has like no character relationships at all it’d be super interesting to explore one

[digital star]

Lucio and Lifeweaver got their healing tech from Vishkar so if Sanjay got that too then it'd work fine. Or he could just borrow Moira's tech

[ruby ridge]

I like the idea of having characters in lore who aren’t playable like Maximilian/sanjay/mere idk

[digital star]

I'd understand Maximillian, but Sanjay has so much potential as a playable character. Maybe they'd have a cinematic where Symmetra betrays Vishkar and then Sanjay ends up taking things into his own hands

And just cause he's a diplomat doesn't mean he can't fight, look at Mei

[peak escarp]

I would like to see Sanjay as a tank with destructible hard light armor

[spare fox]

call me weird, but I don't necessarily want every named character that comes up in the lore to be a playable hero - Sanjay so far falls under that for me

like Anran makes sense, Emre probably'll make sense

Sanjay, Max... idk, I just don't understand the demand just because they exist

[peak escarp]

Max definitely not

having him be a playable hero would go against his character

[shy dagger]

I want that Omnic French lady singer to be playable

She can be our own Luna Snow

[twilit patrol]

[spare fox]

so if he's first-year, then he's 18ish I guess

and Anran is probably 22ish? are the age-years the same in Chinese schooling?

[keen summit]

tons of people assuming automatically that anrang will become a hero is quite stupid

[spare fox]

... it's not the stupidest thing

[keen summit]

only way i could see it is having him like the f1 cars control it from far away

[spare fox]

she was chosen to join overwatch, it's pretty certain she's going to be a future hero

[keen summit]

efi:

[spare fox]

Efi is a child tho

[shy dagger]

And as far as we know she doesn’t have any powers

[fossil wren]

She is smart

[shy dagger]

Still a child tho

[spare fox]

Maaaaybe if there's another time skip and she's over 18, she might be deployable/engineer hero (similar to Torb) but that's if they do a time skip

But I do like the two-for-one hero we get with Orisa and Efi

[fossil wren]

Orisa do something!

[peak escarp]

it would have to be a pretty significant timeskip

she's only 13 currently

[elfin bane]

wu yang is so cool

can’t wait to watch trailer in like 20 minutes

when i’m home

[grave frost]

well now we know who the next dps is going to be

[ruby ridge]

god I hope not

What happened to the other 170 countries worldwide

We have 2 South American heroes and they took 5 years in between

[azure flint]

just watched wuyangs cinematic

surely they'll follow up on his sister joining

and not end up like emre

[elfin bane]

SAME

[worthy rose]

whos emre

[elfin bane]

absolutely cinema

[elfin bane]

he was in one of the old photos of overwatch

[azure flint]

hes another overwatch member we know of

og overwatch

[elfin bane]

p sure he’s the only one from that photo that hasn’t been added or explained in detail

[azure flint]

@peak escarp do you think emre will ever come to the game

hero 46 perhaps

[grave frost]

i wonder who the next tank will be

[past copper]

https://youtu.be/ytZnOGwEq9s?si=wgPzroNSYpIEgZvu

[grave frost]

or if theyll ever add another character from the Phreaks

[ruby ridge]

I think the next tank will be the oddball and the oddball will be the beta hazard design we saw in his bliss on icon

Blizzcon

That icon looked nothing like hazard not even his beta designs

It could’ve been a case of Mauga and sigma where they swapped the kits

[grave frost]

do you have a pic of the icon

i dont remember it and i cant find anything about it

[ruby ridge]

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Hazard#Misc._Character_Information

scroll a little down and you’ll see it at the “hints” category

[azure flint]

next tank is a gladiator

possibly female

[grave frost]

Ok

[grave frost]

It’s so silly looking

[shy dagger]

The people YEARN for Susie😔✊

[spare fox]

yeah next tank is the female gladiator teased on the stadium map

she looks human, and I'm theorizing based on the other gladiators featured on that map and the omnic-crisis-related graffiti on colosseo that it might be a theme of human gladiators competing against omnic gladiators... possibly with enhanced humans thrown in the mix too

[past copper]

Cassidy mains eating good this year

[elfin bane]

frogger is so happy rn

[drifting heath]

This collab is going to make me send so much money istg

[past copper]

I only wonder... will they use ALL the Phantom Thieves of Hearts skin?

[signal kestrel]

can efi ride orisa into battle

with a baby dva blaster

[spare fox]

Nah I doubt it

IF they were to go that route, I imagine they'd be more creative than that lol

[past copper]

Anyway, I was half right. Someone in Overwatch approached Wuyang with a proposal to join their team

No idea who, but considering it was anonymous, it might’ve been either Cole or Genji

Only thing I wasn’t expecting from this tho was Anran being a potential hero at some point

[rancid kite]

You didn't?

[past copper]

Blizzard mostly only ever focuses whoever the new hero is

They pretty much never drop hints of any others in that hero’s short

Emre in Freja’s short doesn’t count since we already knew he was gonna be a potential hero at some point, long before she was ever released

As to the others in Hazard’s short, it really depends on whether or not they bring anything to the table to be new heroes

[rancid kite]

I want a punk omnic support

Pls zenyatta is so lonely in that role

It's actually insane how in a game revolving completely over a war about omnics, ramattra is the only other omnic they've added since launch

Well I guess orisa too

Still we need more

[fossil wren]

I would say it was probably Cassidy, since he has been the one who has recruited the most new members so far

[past copper]

Well, imagine going by who utilizes stealth in Overwatch

And the two who use that well are Cassidy and Genji given they were originally in Blackwatch

[fossil wren]

Winton recruited Wuyang using his great stealth skills

[peak escarp]

yes,and I expect he will be a support

[keen summit]

We really dont

[keen summit]

It looked like hazard icl

[keen summit]

Next hero is a gladiator, we can see her on the stadium map

[peak escarp]

if they're going to add another one of the Phreaks it should be Boomslang

[keen summit]

Yeah i think she has the most potential

But all ill say is that people also went "so next dps hero is boomslang huh" with hazard release

Theyll likely wait a bit longer so it isnt so close to eachother

[sand turret]

123123

[peak escarp]

they'll probably wait a while with Anran too

[twin tendon]

Just had a thought - presumably, Overwatch is “hiring” Wuyang and Anran because they caught wind of their defence against Null Sector and thought “hey these kids can fight, give ‘em an offer”…
…so, that means Overwatch is paying attention to any notable individuals that have fended off Null Sector attacks and possibly sending them offers.
As in, like half the stories in Heroes Ascendant.

So, Ashe, Lifeweaver & Symmetra might be on their radar

(it also mirrors the original formation of Overwatch, sending out invites to notable individual fighters throughout the Omnic Crisis)

[ruby ridge]

If lifeweaver joins overwatch I’m going to kill myself infront of the lore director

[rancid kite]

?

[ruby ridge]

sorry I’m really passionate about lifeweaver

[merry mason]

And specifically his non-affiliation with Overwatch?

[wise grotto]

Sym is definitely not gonna be an ow member shes vishkara finest

[drifting heath]

Ashe would literally never leave deadlock i fear

[spare fox]

ooo I have a tierlist I just updated

Freya was a little complicated she straddles all three lower tiers interestingly

I settled on she's Talon-affiliated because she's working for Max

as I've said in the past, this can be a little loosey-goosey depending on updates to the story, for instance before the Gothenburg mission I would have been sure that Torb would have joined OW again and not refused and Mercy I would have thought she refused before her short story and then showing up in Zero Hour

[drifting heath]

I heavily agree w this

[ruby ridge]

Yeah I’m a big fan of ow heroes unrelated to ow I feel like lw should stay with arcology

[ruby ridge]

I’d like to see illari delve more into talon, I feel like doomfist could manipulate her or redirect her hatred

Misdirect

[rare trail]

i feel like junkrat is in hogs boat

rat is racist as fuck bro

[spare fox]

They've kind of turned that aspect of the junkers down a bit in their hatred for omnics

[ruby ridge]

Junk rat is the type of character that can be written to be easily influenced

[spare fox]

His interactions with them are much less hostile

[ruby ridge]

If he’s with bad ppl, he’ll do bad stuff, if he’s with good ppl he’ll do good stuff

[spare fox]

Yeah that's why I think anything could happen with him

[ruby ridge]

Not to mention junk rat could so easily be that type of comedic relief character who’s part of the good guys team but wants to “commit a little bit of crime every now and then”

[spare fox]

Mhm and he's been all about trying to make friends lately in interactions

[ruby ridge]

Problem is that without junk rat what does hog even do?

Queen respects him iirc maybe he could become her right hand man or something

[spare fox]

Someone was making a case of comparing Hog and Junkrat to Long John Silver and Jim Hawkins and I kind of see that potentially happening too

[ruby ridge]

Absolutely no idea who those ppl are

[digital linden]

isnt junkrat literally a terrorist

im not too brushed up on his lore so that mightve been toned down a bit but idk

him joining overwatch seems unlikely to me

[rancid kite]

He's just a silly guy

[spare fox]

They've toned him down lately. And OW recruited criminals before - Cassidy, Genji, Baptiste

But I could see him easily being a silly side character too

[spare fox]

They're characters from the classic story Treasure Island. Long John is a notorious cutthroat pirate who takes young Jim under his wing, although at first it's to get Jim's treasure map, he forms a fatherly bond with the boy. After Long John is caught and is escaping, Jim still chooses to do the right thing ultimately, despite seeing Long John as a pseudo-father

[peak escarp]

yet more options for the Literature themed season I've been wanting

[spare fox]

OMG PLEASE I didn't even know I wanted this but now I do

[peak escarp]

Don Quixote Reinhardt, D'artagnan Cassidy, Victor Frankenstein Moira...

Jekyll/Hyde Winston

I have so many ideas

[spare fox]

I would equip Don Quixote Rein so fast, it's my favorite book ever

[peak escarp]

I'm dying for a D'artagnan/Musketeer skin for Cassidy

it would suit him so well

both for his silhouette and for his character

[spare fox]

They already showed ideas for Wonderland and Oz themed skin ideas

[ruby ridge]

I’ve personally been out of school for two months for summer break and I completely forgot how to read long texts so idk if that’s a good idea for overwatch players

[spare fox]

sighh you might be right, no one reads and the about 80% of the people who do read are on that sprayed-edges smut-romantasy fad right now

and I'm not saying I look down on those that do, just lamenting that there's no hype for much else

[grave frost]

i readdd

[surreal notch]

guyd

guys

my account got banned for no reason and i opened a ticket for 16h and idk how to see if they reaspond

[peak escarp]

this is the lore channel, we can't help with that

[spare fox]

but Brig's sister seems to be writing one of those hyper-popular romantasy series

a bit of extra flavor we got from the missions rip

[glad osprey]

Is any human physically stronger than mauga?

[peak escarp]

he fought Doomfist and it was a draw

[glad osprey]

Well yeah doomfist is an amazing fighter but he isn't physically stronger than mauga

[peak escarp]

so then the answer is no

[fossil wren]

Well I don't really know how fair this is, since Mauga and Doomfist have cybernetic augmentations, If we talk about pure strength (Without using any type of augmentation) I think Zarya would be the strongest, But overall Mauga is the strongest character physically

[whole whale]

man as much as i like wuyang, it just feels like they are adding chars for the sake of adding chars, none of the new chars from ow 2 feel like they have proper lore, maybe except juno or life weaver and junker queen

[spare fox]

They do, and it isn't unique to OW2

In OW1, Lucio, Dva, Zarya, all had no connection to any other heroes

It took a long time -years- to build them in with other heroes

Even the Junkers are still in their own bubble with only Wrecking Ball oddly bridging them to other stories

There are only recent interactions that kinda hint there was some interaction. JQ recognizes Ana as the one who kicked Red Ned in the nads, and then there's Stone Anthony who both Junkrat and Cassidy refer to

[spare fox]

https://x.com/owgwadael/status/1959272946033135747

Gwadael (@owgwadael)

Et les Deadlock ont réussi a mettre la main sur un mail de Helix très intéressant, mais un peu crypté : c'est une notice de transfert d'un nouveau chef de sécurité, pour remplacer l'ancien qui part.

Un teaser pour un futur héros affilié Helix?! 🤔🧐 (3/3)

X · Aug 23, 2025, 3:14 PM

more Helix breadcrumbs

[peak escarp]

some people suspect it's Emre, but he doesn't seem like the type to join a PMC after leaving Overwatch over disputes about their methods

[subtle spruce]

Ngl it gives me Pharah vibes tho with the whole chief of security stuff

[spare fox]

UNLESSSS.... he was appointed

idk I get the feeling it's someone new

like a whole new character

[peak escarp]

but why would Helix appoint a retired Overwatch agent as chief of security at a former Overwatch base?

[spare fox]

someone higher up pulling strings

[peak escarp]

and Pharah is an active Overwatch vigilante, so it's definitely not her

I don't think Emre would want to work for Helix

[grand wedge]

Yeah, probably not... unless it's to keep an eye on them from the inside?

[spare fox]

I just get the feeling it's not Emre, but also keep in mind we really know nothing about Emre

[grand wedge]

Yeah, true. He was a good Overwatch agent for sure. But we know nothing of his personality, his motives, or anything, really

[peak escarp]

we know he left Overwatch before things started to fall apart publicly

and he seemed to be a good mentor to Freja

[spare fox]

those are facts, true, but we don't know about his motives, personality, experiences that might influence his attitudes

he could have been a great upstart morally good person or he could be more complicated than that

the cake bit at the bottom

I wonder if it's a clue or easter egg

also, we have 3 different characters mentioned here, all 3 names which are redacted

the agent being transferred to Grand Mesa who will be the new CO Security, the former chief who will be providing the hand off and for whom the farewell party will be held, and then the writer of the memo who is Chief of Staff

[azure flint]

what would a chart of the richest to poorest ow heroes look like

#1 ashe last place junkrat

[spare fox]

Junkrat has a shit ton of gold bars

[wise grotto]

Junk and hog are wanted worldwide for doing heists all the time

Junk ashe and jq would be my big guessers

Lw has a rich family supporting him to

[spare fox]

Maybe Zen the poorest

He's got no need for money so he most likely has the least

[wise grotto]

Maybe
Or orisa

Since orisa isnt technically the one making any of the money

[fossil wren]

A Helix hero would be good

[fossil wren]

Doomfist

[grave frost]

Wuyang? His family seems rather stacked

[fossil wren]

If we only count heroes i would say

Ashe, Doomfist, Lifeweaver as top 3 richest

[grave frost]

Ashe is disowned tho, so are the robberies they did enough to make her that rich?

[fossil wren]

Although does Ashe really count? I'm pretty sure her parents disinherited her

[grave frost]

Yeah

[fossil wren]

If we count characters from the Lore

[grave frost]

I put Wuyang up there

[fossil wren]

Maximilien is the richest

Sanjay too maybe

[grave frost]

His family funded a like 6 colleges and those colleges are like the best in the world

[wise grotto]

doom uses maximillion as a wallet

[grave frost]

Doom casually pulling out an entire omnic with his giant gauntlet to pay his taxi driver

[peak escarp]

I made this back in OW1, I guess I could update it

[wise grotto]

cass and genji would both move upwards by now

[grave frost]

I feel like Genji is weird, he definitely was a playboy pre-average older brother moment but maybe he changed

[wise grotto]

and syms vishkars biggest weapon if i recall so shed be paid stacks imo

[grave frost]

That’d still be in steady paying work, that’s arguably one of the best categories to be in

Also considering Talon a business just strikes me as hilarious

[peak escarp]

I was thinking more of the cybernetics business his family owns

[grave frost]

The first thing that came into my mind was if Doom had a bookstore or something

Imagine

Head terrorist, also small bookstore owner

[grave frost]

I did not know this

[peak escarp]

formerly Ogundimu Synergies, the company name was changed to Pinion International after Doomfist's rise to power to avoid association with him

[grave frost]

Random question, how much of sojourn is robotic

Is she even human at this point

[wise grotto]

all her limbs at least

and eyes

[spare fox]

All her limbs, eyes, several of her internal organs

[grave frost]

I always saw Genji as the most hybrid of robot and human but it appears I’m wrong

[spare fox]

Yeah I think if you associate Orisa with Efi - whose family seems to be comfortably middle class - I would say Zen and Echo have no need for money and are probably the "poorest"

[peak escarp]

I think between the two of them Sojourn is more cybernetic

but Genji is still more than 50%

[wise grotto]

soj is along more the lines of soldier where as genji is kept alive by his robotics

[grave frost]

Genji is only missing an arm and leg and liek a little bit of torso correct?

[wise grotto]

haz soj are just modified heavily

and are missing most of there original parts

[peak escarp]

this is a pretty good breakdown of Genji's parts

at least based off his Blackwatch appearance

his final body may have more parts removed

[grave frost]

Never noticed the eyes

[peak escarp]

he can eat, but an old interaction indicates food doesn't taste the same as it used to

[grave frost]

He seems to still enjoy Dino nuggies

Can’t wait for the new season, I’m getting galactic Wuyang weapon and the skin

[peak escarp]

    Mercy: Not yet, unfortunately.
    Genji: It tastes a bit like yours. Although, it's 'dark roast', not 'charred'.
    Mercy: For your information, I like my coffee burnt.```

not the one I was looking for, but that's funny

[grave frost]

Casual roast

Genji has the best personality along with Wuyang because they’re so similar

[opaque talon]

Is roadhog an actual pig

[covert thicket]

No

[opaque talon]

FUCKK!!!

[azure flint]

we need a name for the stadium announcer like athena for regular ow

how about connor

hes apparently another program like athena also which is interesting

[elfin bane]

YES W NAME

PEOPLE NAMED THAT ARE COOL

i love those people

[grave frost]

is that ur name be honest

[wild fiber]

This is sick is it official?

[grand wedge]

It’s fan made

[opaque hemlock]

given the burns the common interpretation is genjis eyes melted out of the sockets and had to be replaced which is a common thing that happens to burn victims

[peak escarp]

he wasn't burned though

[opaque hemlock]

he mightve been it’s inconclusive

we just dont know what the dragons do to people

they seem to create heat as we see in the cinematics

[peak escarp]

his eyes could just be elective cybernetic upgrades

[azure flint]

his dih is still intact ♥️

[spare fox]

Crazy what this fandom latches onto...
7 or so years ago, Thai interview: does Genji still go to the bathroom?
Mchu: yes
The fandom forever: GENJI'S GENITALSSSS

[peak escarp]

it's weird how obsessed people are with Genji's junk

[fossil wren]

Average overwatch community shenanigans

[grave frost]

Also this doesn’t necessarily mean he has his junk if that’s what they said, might just be going #2

[elfin bane]

the he’s got robot junk connected to his bladder

you never know

[spare fox]

More like Hanzo didn't waste time mutilating him down there. He incapacitated him Obi-wan style then slashed his vital organs (not below the belt)

It's possible he also was thrown from or fell a distance too, due to the spinal injuries... Hanamura palace is on a mountain

Also how he was rescued by overwatch... I doubt they went in after him

[azure flint]

logical thought process for a guy when you learn what happened to him

[compact flicker]

Pov me that just learned that Hanzo and Genji are brothers:

[native cobalt]

Why is the short story "luck of the draw" unlisted on the ow website?

Same thing for the overwatch 2 "Sojourn" novel

[ruby ridge]

purr

[grand wedge]

Because it’s exclusive to the short story collection « Overwatch Ascendant »
And novels are novels, so you have to pay for them to read it

[fickle gull]

theyve the same last name... 🧍🏻‍♀️

[covert thicket]

I didn't know Winton knew Hammond as a baby

[compact flicker]

How am I supposed to know

[cyan crow]

LOREEW

[azure flint]

ow lore is back

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[thorn mesa]

you left something out

[peak escarp]

?

[spare fox]

1. There's leftover serum?? And they're just... storing it?

2. Is Deadlock going after the serum???

[peak escarp]

serum for what?

Grand Mesa was an Overwatch base

[spare fox]

SEP serum

yeah you're right

why would they have it there?

[peak escarp]

I doubt it's that

[digital linden]

is moira located in oasis or talon hq?

[peak escarp]

she probably lives in Oasis

[spare fox]

Possibly whatever serum Ana uses?

I can't think of any other serum an OW facility might have, unless of course it's something we haven't seen yet

Which is entirely possible

[past copper]

I mean, maybe it’s a serum for a secured Overwatch weapon?

[half robin]

we need more sigma lore

[elfin bane]

was a serum used for making reaper and 76 super soldiers?

[spare fox]

I can't recall but I think we might be mixing in MCU here

[elfin bane]

😭 i had a feeling i was lol

i couldn’t rember

[spare fox]

I think SEP was more of a course of genetic stuff than a 1-shot serum BUT it could be a serum that's an important component to it

BUT SEP wasn't an OW program

So it's unlikely that they'd be storing it if it is related to SEP but anything's possible

Like SEP could have handed it off to Helix for security and Helix was like "hey here's a nice secure location we could keep it"

It's a leap but not an impossible one

[azure flint]

hero 45 teasers starting already

[peak escarp]

hero 45 teasers started when Stadium dropped

[worthy rose]

How do the colleges bend the elements?

[azure flint]

magic

[azure flint]

true

[grand wedge]

Hero 46 more likely

I love that they are bringing Vishkar and Helix back

[keen summit]

we had teasers since blizzcon tbf with the doodle

[keen summit]

ive seen theories it might be emre

at the base

[grand wedge]

yeah, i thought about it, because what little we know of Emre would fit this guy description. But tbh, any heroic dude we have never heard of could fit 😅 it was more trying to find an excuse for him to be Emre, than a real theory

[keen summit]

soundquake TRUST

[grand wedge]

it was more a "what if it's Emre" and not "this guy will be Emre", you know?

AHah, Soundquake when

[keen summit]

trust me

its him

[pastel light]

In comics or in game ??

[pastel light]

They cant use the ability’s without the staff tho

[worthy rose]

His sister bends fire without one

Just wondering how they get their powers

[pastel light]

Fire is ez to do they chat can use gas or something

[grave frost]

They have fans

So

And the comic of them using fire might be how Wuyang controls the water, needs the item to summon it then can use a hand to control it with cool fancy tech

[worthy rose]

Ohh okay, I think I get it? Wish their origin stories went into how they get the powers, it just says thwy go to school

[elfin bane]

well yea it’s not powers it’s just tech

they get the tech at the school

[worthy rose]

Okay I mean "abilities"... like most of OW has powers of some kind

[elfin bane]

what?

[worthy rose]

I mean they're not powers they're abilities he has

[latent lark]

Not really, we see she uses the same gloves Wuyang bends water with but she also utilizes fans most likely to push the fire outward as a projectile. The staff she had was mostly just a project Ming (from metal college) collaborated with her on then it was recreated for Wuyangs

[grand wedge]

The lore you can deduce and find on the new maps

They brought Helix back with Aatlis, and now Power Keg Mine.

And now they are also bringing Vishkar back in London, with the new Thames map

[grand wedge]

That could be explain because comics take time to make and they didn’t tell anything to the artist. Not the first time nor the last they have inconsistent artwork

She is using fans, we didn’t see nothing in the comic, if they make her a hero at some point, maybe she’ll have even something else

[elfin bane]

he learned how to use the water tech at the school

[vernal fjord]

Water university💀

[elfin bane]

well technically he made his own tech

[azure flint]

wuyang is 19

nice

youngest male in ow

[soft carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-avatar-the-last-airbender-korra-legend-of-korra-gif-3850242

... rats, my bad joke was foiled

[shut stream]

wait so is wuyang's sister teased too then?

cuz the sister got an overwatch token too

[grave frost]

That’s what I’m saying

[spare fox]

yeah Anran is very very very likely an upcoming hero

[azure flint]

hero 46 trust

hero 47 is emre

and hero 48 is the redacted person from helix or wtv

in that teaser i posted a while back

[elfin bane]

i really hope so

ASLO i think its good we are getting another sibling set

someone directly related to a another playable hero

kirirko i guess but she seems a lot more removed

[azure flint]

kiri isn't related to genji or hanzo she's just a longtime friend

[elfin bane]

really?

i swear she had voice lines about parents with hanzo and genji

ig i misinterpreted them

[grave frost]

her mom taught them

[elfin bane]

ah

[spare fox]

They're related but not as in they're family... I guess "associated with" would be a better way to put it

[peak escarp]

she's a family friend, much like Mercy is a family friend to the Lindholms

[mortal sinew]

why does ranked always say wide queue no matter what

[spare fox]

Wrong channel

[spare fox]

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/whats-next-for-overwatch-2-blizzard-shares-future-plans-why-story-missions-fell-apart-and-more/1100-6534255/

Nothing new here, nothing we didn't already know but a little insight into how they choose heroes/ factions

[peak escarp]

We had those conversations a lot with both Hanzo and Genji, you know, because when they summon the dragon, that feels like a pretty magical thing there as well. We do have our own internal explanations for that that we'll actually get into at some point with our players, but we're not quite ready to yet.

what about Kiriko, Aaron

[spare fox]

😭 it's taken them almost 10 years to get to "we'll get into at some point" for Genji and Hanzo, Kiriko will probably take another 8 years or so at this point...

[peak escarp]

the article does promise players will be able to "get in touch with more lore over the seasons this year"

whether that means more lore or just the existing lore being added to the game somehow...

[azure flint]

"we'll actually get into at some point" just like how cass lost his arm huh

[peak escarp]

and a million other hanging threads

[azure flint]

just say bob ripped it off lol

i know ashe doesnt mean it that way

[peak escarp]

that's boring

[azure flint]

in the cinematic but itd be easy

[fossil wren]

https://x.com/mushroomiiee/status/1960518554467414100?t=sRvfPUSTEFes_qBE-mfkjw&s=19

Shroomiiee (@mushroomiiee)

HERO 45 streamer name teaser!!!!! "Viva La Lupa" Roughly translates to "Love live the she wolf!

X · Aug 27, 2025, 1:43 AM

Love live the she wolf is so funny 😭 Because I don't speak Italian but I'm very sure that Viva in this context would be Long Live not Love Live

Long live the she-wolf to be exact

[azure flint]

THERES A SHE WOLF IN YOUR CLOSETTT

[digital linden]

hero 45 is shakira confirmed

i'm interested in how they're gonna create her character bc i'd honestly prefer they used one of the pre-existing gladiator characters yk like on the statues

[grand wedge]

she is likely female, and will wear some helmet and armour, and a Sword (possibly like a flaming sword or some lazer blade or something

and probably italian

[spare fox]

there's a silhouette of her on one of the banners on the stadium map

[covert geode]

We need more yokai lore

[grand wedge]

True.

[rotund widget]

an overwatch series wouldve been SO good

[rotund widget]

what about anran?

[fossil wren]

Anran isnt going to be a hero soon

Hero 45 has been teased since stadium launch

It will be a female gladiator

[rotund widget]

I really wanted a fire elemental dps since season 4 😔

[past copper]

Yo, interesting thought for a collab. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

If ya don’t know who these guys are, you too young to know what a unique team this is

[rancid kite]

Ok unc

[spare fox]

They're just a bunch of public domain characters

[peak escarp]

Past:

• Venture's Adventures
• Venture's Adventures: Tangle with Talon
• The Red Promise
• Control
• Hazardous Tactics
• Tear It Down
• Storm Chaser
• Against the Tide

Present (Invasion):

• Lindholm Workshop Notes Regarding Bastion
• Shockwaves
• A Great Day
• Heroes Ascendant: Friendly Rivalry
• Heroes Ascendant: Rebuilding Ruins
• Heroes Ascendant: Unity
• Heroes Ascendant: Thoughtless Gods
• Heroes Ascendant: Where Honor Lives
• Heroes Ascendant: Lost Ghosts
• Correspondence: Greetings from Watchpoint Gibraltar!
• Pocket King
• Heroes Ascendant: Lucky Man
• Heroes Ascendant: Luck of the Draw
• The Hunt Begins
• Futures Past
• Elemental Kin

Future:

• Together

did I miss anything?

someone in another server complained that all the lore we've gotten since Invasion was set in the past, so I wanted to see if it was true

[wise grotto]

This kinda shows most of it isnt in the past which is kinda funny honestly

[spare fox]

they've been pretty consistent with the new hero releases giving us 1) a narrated comic that sums up that hero's origin story and gives an overview of the past up until "now" and then 2) an animated short that shows us the hero in action and shows them arriving at the point that they are at "now" during the story

the past 4 hero releases anyway - and they seem to be hitting a stride with it so (hopefully) that pattern won't change anytime soon

(and if it does then it's more in quantity)

[peak escarp]

yeah

we've got up to date locations for every hero

[spare fox]

Would like some Talon POV stories though.. haven't had many of those. Just little hints and crumbs

We've heard more from Max than actual playable Talon heroes lately

[azure flint]

widow comic when

make it abt her slowly regaining consciousness

[peak escarp]

I would like something from Widow's pov

maybe with flashbacks to happier times with her husband

[fossil wren]

Sigma

Reaper or Widow POV could be good

I would really like more of Ramattra too

Ramattra is a very interesting character and I think he deserves more content

[rancid kite]

Ramattra lore Murdered along with the PVE

It's over ✌️😂

[hushed jetty]

i need something from mauga's pov

we've had stuff about him but i need to dissect his brain

[spare fox]

And a jetpack

[shy dagger]

With his guns attached to it

YES

[worthy rose]

Hope we get some crazy stuff for the anniversary

[rancid kite]

OW animated show finally trust

Genuinely things have been so good for overwatch lately they have to announce some sort of show next year for the 10 year anniversary to capitalize on this momentum and then overwatch can be viewed positively in the public eye again and maybe reach or surpass 2016 overwatch numbers

They have to make this show

[worthy rose]

Or a PvE mode

[rancid kite]

Not happening

[spare fox]

I think they'd wait until the big blizzcon in 2026 for huge announcements

[obsidian grove]

i dont care for pve just need anime

[scenic rain]

Venture needs lore

[native cobalt]

How did aurora gain sentience again?

[peak escarp]

it's a mystery in-universe - nobody knows and many have tried and failed to reproduce it

[native cobalt]

Interesting 🤔

[grand wedge]

As per Dr Mina Liao's words

"For the last several years, I have been engaged in ongoing attempts to evolve a new generation of artificial intelligence that can learn adaptively through my robotics projects with Overwatch.
It is my intent to develop an AI that is sufficiently sophisticated to perform at levels akin to that achieved with Omnica Corp’s Aurora project. Hundreds of attempts to re-create the precise conditions of that project have failed. Without going into the physics of the issue, I have come to believe that Aurora’s well-known and exhaustively studied quantum event cannot be replicated."

[native cobalt]

Thanks so much!

Also i have another question, is the "luck of the draw story accurate"? In the lore I mean

[azure flint]

aurora died for your omnic sins

[grand wedge]

Yes

[native cobalt]

Is there a reason why that short story isn't on the overwatch media page?

[opaque tundra]

It’s exclusive to the physical Heroes Ascendant collection

[grand wedge]

Yup, like RF Petals says, it's book exclusive. Some legal thingy, probably

[peak escarp]

gotta be something that makes it worth buying

[torpid breach]

when lucioball

[fossil wren]

Wrong channel buddy

Probably midseason

[azure flint]

what kind of name is gefn anyways

why did freja not just use a cool fake name

[elfin bane]

it’s something in dutch probably

or whatever freja language is

i forgor

[shy dagger]

Danish

[elfin bane]

ah

[hollow mirage]

Mercy smells like strawberry shortcake 🍰

Lore accurate lore xD

[peak escarp]

from wikipedia:

it's another name of the Norse goddess Freyja

[native cobalt]

Does anyone know hazards actual name?

[twilit patrol]

Findlay Docherty

[native cobalt]

Thanks mate!

[twilit patrol]

🫡

[azure flint]

wuyang adds to the counter of ow heroes that use their real name as their hero name

think most ow heroes are like that tho

[rare trail]

uhh iirc its not most

i think its a pretty egen split

nvm i was wrong iirc this is the split

[peak escarp]

why are robots weird?

they all use their names

[neat hearth]

I dont know about bastion but yea they all have their own names

Their gender situation is a bit weird tho, i think i remember seeing something saying that they choose what hender they want to be classified as themselves, this needs to be verified tho as i only think i remember

[peak escarp]

if you separate the heroes who use their real names into first name and last name, the only heroes who use their last names are Cassidy, Ashe and Zarya

[lone atlas]

i think they are just weird bc the robot has a model name and the names in game are just a play off of the model or entirely random

[peak escarp]

those are the names they chose or were given

[rare trail]

up !

[peak escarp]

they're not random

[rare trail]

like orisa is 0R3SA or smth idr

and like bastion is e54 bastion model

ram and zen are pretty much just their names tho

[lone atlas]

like rammattra is a r-34 omnic (i think) aka a ravenger omnic

[neat hearth]

I feel like that still means thats rheir real name, maybe not government offical name but still

[peak escarp]

Orisa was made from an OR15 model omnic but her name is Orisa

[neat hearth]

Its like naming a pet

[peak escarp]

Ramattra is an R7000

[lone atlas]

oops..

[rare trail]

idk i stand by at least orisa and bastion being weird

idr if echo is

[peak escarp]

r34 is... something else

[lone atlas]

i promise i didn’t think of it like that…

[peak escarp]

lol

[lone atlas]

i picked random numbers

[neat hearth]

On a side note i think sombras real name is really satisfying to say

[rare trail]

what is it

olivia something?

[neat hearth]

Olivia colomar

[peak escarp]

Olivia Colomar

[lone atlas]

echo is the actual name given to here by her creator

[neat hearth]

But then wouldnt that same logic apply to orisa?

[lone atlas]

so not weird

[lone atlas]

yes but no..

[rare trail]

kinda

[lone atlas]

efi just remodeled the or15

and then renamed it

it wasn’t the original name

[rare trail]

but orisa is a play off OR15 so its diff than just being called orisa ykwim

[neat hearth]

So its a half official name?

[rare trail]

idkman robots are weire

d

[lone atlas]

yea kinda

[rare trail]

and bastion is like the name for that like style of robot

like hes specifically a bastion uhhh e54?

[neat hearth]

Yea bastion gotta be like fully not actual name i feel

[lone atlas]

i thought bastion was the name torb gave it?

[rare trail]

oh yeah

[neat hearth]

Nah bastion was the model

[lone atlas]

oh ok

[rare trail]

iirc those types of robots are called bastion-(model number)

[peak escarp]

Bastion is the nickname for the e54 model used by soldiers in the crisis

[rare trail]

arent there like different kinds of bastions like the tank ones ?

[neat hearth]

So bastion isnt in the offical midel name?

[rare trail]

isnt there a skin where it says bastion e56 or am i going crazy

[peak escarp]

no

it's a nickname for the model type, like Ravager or Hunstman

[neat hearth]

You trynna start a mandela effect?

[rare trail]

ok im going crazy but only a little

the omnic crisis skin does say something different

[rare trail]

well like if ram was just called ravager i feel like he would be in the same boat

[neat hearth]

I gotta a quesrion about echo, if echo was more emotionally knowldgeable/heavy, would she make the perfect wife?

[rare trail]

guh

uh no ? why would she?

[peak escarp]

the omnic crisis skin

[rare trail]

isnt she jsut like a person almost at that point

[peak escarp]

has a different number

[neat hearth]

Becausr she replicates abikities. She could like learn the art of the housewife or something

[rare trail]

😭

[peak escarp]

by that logic, she could be the perfect anything

perfect mother, perfect dictator, perfect healer, perfect killer

[neat hearth]

Except perfect human, but maybe im wronf, since no human is perfect, would she in that case be the perfect human? Or would being the perfect human cancel out being human?

[rare trail]

can she really copy skills like that ? i thought duplicate wasnt really a thing in the lore and she just like learned like anyone else

[lone atlas]

her learning is expedited through her duplication

learning what her dupe knows in hyper speed

at least i think

[neat hearth]

Dawg i never thought about it but we need more echo lore

Or just more echo story in general

Alright thanks for the lore talk im gonna go play some stadium now, ill leave with the image of echi having human feet in your mind before i go, goodbye

[lone atlas]

damn you…

[azure flint]

anyone else get random shower thoughts abt ow or the lore sometimes

like how many skins in the game currently are canon

[peak escarp]

I used to keep a list of canon skins, but I haven't kept it updated

[worthy rose]

uh

The OmniCrisis was one of the greatest wars of all time

or should I say OmnicCrisis

These Omnicas went crazy

um. Ong the omniums were insane

[ruby ridge]

Does anyone have the animation for the suravasa mission?

Like when genji Junps in

I can’t seem to find it snynoe

[hollow mirage]

Anyone here playing stadium lukas way lmao 🤣

Idk who luka is and idk why blizz wants me to play his way

[past copper]

Welp, that guy in the back is so fired lol

New guy thought it was gonna be an easy mission

[ruby ridge]

Ty

[drifting crane]

lost 8 in a row then won, this is my comeback 🙏

[azure flint]

wrong channel

[oblique anchor]

@swift vapor pls at least look at ur phone

for a second

[oblique anchor]

@swift vapor

[spare fox]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[frail grove]

Ana and Reins new interactions w Cassidy, congratulating Cass on a good hob training new recruits…Is that supposed to be Juno, Wuyang and Anren?

[keen onyx]

I think its a call back to the PVE mission when he brought a couple new people to join overwatch, I think it was Echo, Dva, and someone else

All I remember was it took place in Canada

[fossil wren]

Probably D.va, Pharah, Zarya and Baptiste

Since it was Cassidy who recruited them

According to the interactions, it was Winston who asked for Wuyang recruitment (it could be assumed that he also asked for Anran)

[covert thicket]

Cass is the ow recruiter ?

[opaque tundra]

Read New Blood. It shows Cassidy recruiting the new members

[fossil wren]

Officially Cassidy doesnt hold that position, although based on his actions we can assume that he does, since the new Overwatch doesnt really have a very structured hierarchy and roles (Winston is the de facto leader and Sojourn is the second in command and that's all)

[covert thicket]

How did the junks get recruited ?

[fossil wren]

They aren't

Junkrat and Roadhog are on their own, The Junkers arent part of Overwatch

[covert thicket]

Oh

[hollow mirage]

I didnt realize balderich von adler reins mentor weilded 2 rocket hammers rein needs 2 hammers lol 😆

[spare fox]

ngl I do really hope junkrat winds up with overwatch

it'd make things interesting and he's so on the fence about being a good guy he just needs a good influence

[loud marsh]

He would not fit

I think he isn't morally a right guy

Unlike Cassidy or Genji

Criminals in their own right but they have good intentions

Junkrat's intentions are greed

[latent bramble]

someone remind me why sombra works for talon

[frail grove]

For her own gains

Also she wants to find out everything about them, and is investigating them with help from Soldier 76

[spare fox]

ehh not saying you're wrong or fully disagreeing with you, but I think he'd fit especially with the OW2 characterization of him

still a criminal but more like a "silly lil guy" kind rather than what he was like in OW1

Kiriko's a definite... they're probably holding off on her bc there's going to be a big story with her and Hanzo taking down the Hashimoto, then she'll join

idk about Hanzo - on the one hand there'll still be the yokai and Kiri's parents in Hanamura/Kanezaka, on the other there's some closure in him returning

[rotund widget]

can someone tell me why overwatch decided not to make a tv show/series

[peak escarp]

they don't have the budget for it

[grand wedge]

Blizzard sued Netflix because they poach one of their employee or something also

[peak escarp]

the devs would love a series, but it's the execs who won't do it

[rotund widget]

execs?

[peak escarp]

their bosses

the Blizzard/Microsoft executives who make all the decisions

[rotund widget]

yeah but am confused on why they wouldnt do it, like id pay hundreds to watch a overwatch series

its like they have infinite lore but no lore at all

[peak escarp]

I don't really understand it either

it could make them so much money

[rotund widget]

i mean heres my theory

they r actually making a series but they wouldnt release it because it would probably tease future heros

it wouldnt make sense for them to not abuse making a series

[azure flint]

that is the million dollar question

only hope is a show announcement next year at blizzcon for the 10th anniversary of ow

[rotund widget]

idk they prob doing 2 collab skins for kiriko and 3 new mercy skins

[opaque tundra]

Blizzard execs don’t want to take risks anymore because they screwed up PvE

So they’d rather make a thousand more Kiriko skins before they do something cool and risky

[spare fox]

^^^exactly, they're risk-adverse

and as much as I'd ideally love an OW series, there's so much they could wind up doing that could make it go wrong

like ten minutes into development, the execs will be like, "wait this is costing us money?! STOP putting effort into it and release what you have right now!"
then it'll release and be mid and they'll point to it going, "*look! the fans don't want that anyway!"

just like they did with PvE...

[peak escarp]

I believe if PvE hadn't been sabotaged and the devs were allowed to give it the resources it needed and release it as intended, it would have been successful

same with the cancelled hero missons

the success of Stadium tells me that hero missions would have been fun

since that's where the powers and talents were intended to be used

[spare fox]

100%

[peak escarp]

the Overwatch 2 we were promised was a victim of capitalism

[azure flint]

now make an ow3 that combines ow1 and ow2 and with the full pve

overwatch ULTIMATE

[peak escarp]

nah, make a PvE only spinoff game that isn't tied to the PvP gameplay so they can go crazy with abilities

and not worry if it'll be balanced in a PvP setting

[jagged jewel]

Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD who died for our sins and rose from the dead to give us the free gift of eternal life in heaven. He also promised to heal your body if you ask Him.

[spare fox]

wrong game dude

[raven coyote]

So like Zen is the canonically most powerful character right?

I know Sig is up there too

[peak escarp]

no

[spare fox]

how do you define "power"?

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta is nothing special

[raven coyote]

Really?

[peak escarp]

he's a well respected monk of the Shambali, but he doesn't have any more power than an ordinary omnic

[raven coyote]

So can all omnics harness the powers of iris?

[peak escarp]

no

his gameplay powers aren't canon

[raven coyote]

Oh damn

That's pretty disappointing

Well then the most powerful character is sigma right?

Gravity manipulation is pretty insane

[peak escarp]

potentially

it depends on how much control he has

hard light is also quite powerful, which would put Symmetra and Lifeweaver at the top too

if you ignore the speculation/unconfirmed powers (Sigma and Symmetra/Lifeweaver), the top 3 are Winston, Orisa and Doomfist

[silent rose]

Is there a canon-explanation for the Cassidy name-change?

[signal steeple]

How is one of the strongest characters in lore one of the weakest tanks(Doomfist)

[pearl halo]

Can someone update me on how tf overwatch became a terrorist organozation in the lore? What did they do?

[peak escarp]

they tried to say that Jesse McCree was an alias and Cole Cassidy was his birth name, but outside of the name announcement it has never been acknowledged

[peak escarp]

because gameplay does not reflect lore

[signal steeple]

So basically they just didn’t do him any justice ✍️ got it

[peak escarp]

Overwatch isn't a terrorist organization, they're operating illegally because the UN shut them down 7 years ago

they're basically vigilantes

[pearl halo]

Oooh so thats why

And why did they shut them down then?

Werent they like

The avengers of ow?

[peak escarp]

Overwatch started overreaching their authority, interfering in international politics and incidents where they weren't wanted

also, the existance of Blackwatch - the black ops division of Overwatch that Reyes, Cassidy, Genji and Moira were part of - became known to the public after their failure during the Venice Incident

[silent rose]

And after the reveal of Blackwatch, it led to a LOT of distrust of the Overwatch organization as a whole

[peak escarp]

yes

[silent rose]

Not gonna lie: that's a decent explanation and as a fanfiction writer, I'd accept that as a valid reason

[peak escarp]

the UN launched an investigation into Overwatch, but before it could even finish there was a massive explosion that destroyed the Overwatch HQ in Zurich, Switzerland

it was believed that the explosion was caused by Reyes and Morrison fighting, but the truth has yet to be revealed

without Morrison and Reyes to hold the organization together (plus Ana had gone MIA the year before after losing a sniper duel with Widowmaker), they were officially disbanded

[silent rose]

Quite frankly, I'd believe that explanation-

Two top-tier soldiers in an all-out brawl at the headquarters could absolutely cause an explosion to blow up the entire place

[pearl halo]

Thats why people say dont believe ingame interactions betwedn with those 3...

But DAMN

2 60yo fighting destroying a building

[peak escarp]

there's been hints in the lore that there was more going on than just their fight, but the lore hasn't covered it yet

[pearl halo]

Crazy but believable knowing who they are

[peak escarp]

more like mid 50s, but yeah

they're supersoldiers

[pearl halo]

Still old af

Wait tho

U saying ana losing a sniper fight (and an eye) made her quit the game?

Damn

[peak escarp]

well, she had amnesia for a bit

[pearl halo]

I mean, she top3 oldest, with rein and sig, but DAMN

[peak escarp]

but when she regained her memory, she couldn't stay away

[pearl halo]

Speaking of rein, what did exactly ow do to him? I remember they made him take the fall for a failed ops or sum

[peak escarp]

yes

he disobeyed orders to save some hostages during a mission

[pearl halo]

But that made mission fail

And they put everything on him

[peak escarp]

he saved 47 of the 50 hostages but the terrorist (Hivemind) escaped with the sensitive data she was after

the UN thought the data was more valuable than the hostages

[pearl halo]

UN is the goverment right?

[peak escarp]

so Reinhardt was forced to retire

the official statement was that he retired due to his age

which was bullshit

[pearl halo]

Yea they just wanted him out for not doing what they wanted

And like, not letting people die which is the normal things to do

☠️☠️

Fuck em goverment they deserve the hate, and the omnic uprising

[signal steeple]

Was Sigma apart of Talon or why does he have a talon skin?

Idk

[pearl halo]

Idk much abt lore, but talon saved him from his asylium iirc

And then, since he was crazy

He joined em, not knowing who they are etc

He has some interacrions with sombra that show that she likes him alot too

Lore guru up there will prolly give a more complete answer than me tho so

[signal steeple]

Oh okay thanks

[peak escarp]

Talon stole Sigma out of a secure facility and put him to work in their labs

Sigma doesn't know they're a terrorist organization, he just knows that they provide everything he needs for his research, and sometimes Moira does experiments on him

Sombra knows he's a hostage and wants to help him

[pearl halo]

Damn

Didnt know they kidnapped grandpa

[peak escarp]

it was Reaper's first mission with Talon

seen in the short story "Code of Violence"

[past copper]

Great Reaper lore there

[azure flint]

gonna make a list of skins i think are canon later

[gray prism]

I’m new can someone explain black watch and uh talon

[worthy rose]

Blackwatch is dark Overwatch spec ops and Talon is evil terrorist org

[azure flint]

blackwatch was basically a secret split of overwatch that did shady things

[tired pawn]

@agile granite

[iron mural]

does anyone wanna do pve missions in ow. im having a hard time finding out anyone wanting to play with? :3

[cobalt salmon]

Talons a pmc they don't fight for a cause (other than making humanity stronger through war) they only fight for making money that's it they're mercenaries
Blackwatchs like the CIA or a certain organization of a certain country that no one likes at all that dabble in overwatchs dark secrets

[peak escarp]

Talon is a terrorist organization

Blackwatch was the black ops division of Overwatch

[cobalt salmon]

In the public eye talons supposed to be a pmc firm

[peak escarp]

but that's not their true form

[marble charm]

Yea pretty much only doomfist, Moira and like shareholders actually believe in Talons ideology right

Most members are there as it's a big money fund and a means to an end

Let's them get away with their own desires easier

[atomic storm]

i do actually

which server

[wise grotto]

Doom lets then get what they want cause it ultimately serves to help his goals further to
Ramm and moira as examples

[west sky]

Lore wise who are the top 5 strongest heroes? 👀

[wise grotto]

Sigma easily
Doom sym orisa winton Mauga all imo cycle underneath sigma somewhere

Syms hardlight constructs are at her capabilities just
Weaker green lantern powers

[azure flint]

in winnable games
in loseable games
no genji shall escape my sight
let those who play dps role
beware my technology
SYMMETRAS LIGHT

[west sky]

[keen summit]

we dont know completely tbf. moira and dooms ideology arent the same but they are complimentary. From what we know for now is that most likely most of the people who know obut the plans are more like "i benefit from a big war"

[keen summit]

we dont know if sigma is

[keen summit]

from what we KNOW its orisa winston doom mauga and then just whatever else really
from potentially strongest its sigma lw sym

sigma we dont KNOW how strong he is. all we have seen him do with his current stuff on earth is lifting rocks. which well isnt that impressive, and floating, which others achieve too.
lw and sym we dont know the limits of, if there are no limits they could create a cube around someone and just shrink it, crushing the enemy instantly

[wise grotto]

Sym we know some of her upper limits are ridiculous

Lw we dont know Much

Sigma in theory should be the strongest cause
Well gravity control kinda busted but hes too insane to really be consistent so yea

[keen summit]

not even that

we dont KNOW how much he can control

we only know he can lift some rocks

from what we know its really unclear but likely like, lucio ashe or sum

ashe lost 5 v 1 against cass

and is basically just a lady with a gun

and lucio is just a guy with hardlight soundwaves

[covert thicket]

Junkrat is very scrawny so it's safe to assume he's fairly weak

[keen summit]

Yes, physically but he has bombs

[azure flint]

all heroes fist fight whos winning

no gear or anything

or powers

[keen summit]

Orisa Winston mauga if we count doom gauntlet as gear

Orisa is hard cuz she basically doesnt get hurt from physical attacks

Winston is an enhanced gorilla

Mauga or Winston if we discount orisa cuz she doesnt really win, just doesnt lose

[marble charm]

Okay how about no omnics or tanks

Who have a severe size/durability advantage

Could zenyatta download like karate kid 1-3 and then go absolutely crazy

[marble charm]

Assuming this I'd probably say like, Hanzo, Genji, Soldier or Reaper who are either genetically enhanced or high trained martial artists

[azure flint]

overwatch vs justice league

or the seven

[keen summit]

then icl its not really easy to say

cuz like for example wuyang is likely one of the top then

soldier and reaper too

[marble charm]

Justice League and the Seven both win because of Superman/Homelander

[keen summit]

it again depends on the limits of sigma lw and sym

[marble charm]

Oh right he did a bunch of martial arts for fire school but fell short academically right

[keen summit]

yeah

[marble charm]

I'd say regardless of their limits the Justice league still wins

[keen summit]

and im pretty sure lw DID do martial arts but im not certain

[marble charm]

Because even "base level superman"

Smurfs 20 ranks above OWs peak

[keen summit]

we dont know for sure because if its unlimited hardlight with unlimited strength or unlimited control of gravity thatd be absolutely OP

we just dont know

[marble charm]

I think the issue there is that

Supermans entire concept is

[keen summit]

again, if hardlight is limitless they can just, cube superman and shrink it, he might survive but he cant do anything

[marble charm]

Surpassing and breaking the unbeatable limits

[keen summit]

ofcourse

but thats a little well, meta for that type of comparison

[marble charm]

True

Superman has crazy plot armor 😭

[keen summit]

realistically overwatch v any bigger combat thing is almost always really sigma lw sym theoretical limits vs other verse

because 90% of the roster are just slightly exceptional people

with good aim, or strong tech

[marble charm]

But yea I agree we don't know the limits of hard/biolight and Sigmas abilities

[keen summit]

thats the thing

[marble charm]

But I think superman

Probably outscales whatever the limit is

[keen summit]

we dont know with sigma if he can even lift more than a few rocks with it

[marble charm]

Yea exactly

Even during his ultimate/"peak of his power" he only lifts a group of people

And even then gameplay mechanics go brrr

[keen summit]

but technically no, superman wouldnt outscale complete control over gravity, cuz thatd just mean sigma could just, keep him completely down

head to the ground so no lasers

[marble charm]

Tbh even if you removed like, superman and those 3 I'd still think the JL comes out on top relatively easily

[keen summit]

just, keep him there

ngl, without the theoretical top 3 overwatch stands no chance against most "superhero" type things

[marble charm]

Like you said, the OW cast is mainly just exceptionally good soldiers

😭

[keen summit]

and yes lots would STOMP on regular humans

but most are still well, human

[marble charm]

Green Arrow beats like 90% of the cast

😭

[keen summit]

like mauga is in atleast the top group

and its in superhero movies just hulk with guns

[marble charm]

Yea

[keen summit]

something a VERY rich man can overcome

minus the guns

[marble charm]

Wait lowkey no superman needed

The flash wins

Sym, LW and Sigma included

[keen summit]

yeah thats where the bigger issue is

sym lw and sigma probs cant react to that

unless they KNOW hes coming

then they just create walls or gravity

[marble charm]

Actually that's a good point the same goes for them vs superman

[keen summit]

if sigma is ABLE to do it

[marble charm]

Does hardlight block people?

[keen summit]

it kinda depends on how they do it

[keen summit]

in lore it can

[marble charm]

Yea that's what I was checking

[keen summit]

its used to build structures, sym builds a bridge to walk over a gap

in likely less than a second

[marble charm]

Oh icic

[keen summit]

thats the thing

in theory

[marble charm]

Okay yea that would work against flash with knowledge

[keen summit]

sym or lw can create a cube around someone

and just

shrink it

[marble charm]

Shrink yea

[keen summit]

instant kill on 90%

of characters in fiction

[keen summit]

gravity too

[marble charm]

Yea

[keen summit]

imagine running fast and suddenly you are hit by an invisible wall of gravity

[marble charm]

I was skeptical of Sym being able to stop a person

Gravity stops flash and

I knew biolight is

Actually a physical object

That can interact with bodies

[keen summit]

lw biolight is IMPLIED to also ofcourse be a bioweapon potentially

but we dont know in what way

perhaps it can make people overgrow

[marble charm]

It's wally west though he just keeps running gg

https://tenor.com/view/wally-west-speed-the-fastest-gif-10964351368591746710