lore-discussion

[spare fox]

if you are interested in-depth, go watch the Genesis part1-3 series on Play Overwatch's youtube

[old python]

Okay

[spare fox]

and if you're UBER interested, there's a big awesome book called Overwatch: Declassified which has so much glorious lore that we will never see in-game rip

[old python]

damn😔

[lyric chasm]

Omnics are as varied in thoughts and opinions as humans are, not all of them abide by Null Sector's ideals . In any case, for a kind that was the reason for the Omnic Crisis and OW's creation, they're on a 1:10 ratio in terms of representation in the game's roster. I think it's legitimate to say we want more omnics

[static totem]

I want omnics that aren't part of any major faction/ only support a side. Like the British omnic hive from that tracer comic. Most of our omnic representation is "Monk" "Refurbished evil omnic" or "1 in a million." I would like a hero thats just an omnic (Like a zenyatta model or something) that has special skills. No particular unique thing that differes them from omnics. Like how hunters are just humans who are slightly better at something than your average joe. But when you look at a monk, they have alot of differences in both ability, ideology and spirituality than your avrag joe.

Bastion is the closest thing weve gotten

but he falls into the catagory of "Refurbished evil omnic"

[lyric chasm]

To be fair most of the human roster isn't average by any means

And they all have ties to each other

[static totem]

true

the closest to what i want in omnics for the human class is Freja

[lyric chasm]

I think we could get lone wolves types like Maximilian

[static totem]

But she's a bounty hunter

I just want an omnic thats like the punisher from the marvel comics

[lyric chasm]

Could be idea

There's Lynx Seventeen too

Hacker

No affiliations as far as we know

But I think to be part of the roster you need some kind of out of the ordinary skill in some way

Or out of the ordinary story

[static totem]

true

we already have a hacker aswell and I think giving a second character that takes away abilitys would make the actual gameplay a bit worse

Even Freja has special technology

and she was a former overwatch resue team agent

[lyric chasm]

Hacking doesn't have to be of the silencing type, it could give buffs, nerfs, movement speed, heal, give shield, armor, etc

[static totem]

true

[lyric chasm]

Sombra players just take issue with taking away Sombra's hack as it is because it was part of her character since the beginning

[static totem]

It's the only thing they haven't changed

in her kit

There's so many unique omnic designs that could be used

[lyric chasm]

Even Cass, despite having like 'ordinary skills' with just a revolver and flashbang (although considered one of the best marksmen out there, not when I play him tho), his story make shim more out of the ordinary

[lyric chasm]

Well they changed its duration

[static totem]

true

[lyric chasm]

There was the fear at some point that they'd only make it of the support type

But it doesn't seem like they'd do that even in the context of a rework

Maybe for Stadium tho

[static totem]

Sombra community would storm blizzard building

[lyric chasm]

Haha there have been enough reasons to already and we didn't

[static totem]

What I really want

Is utilisation of the story mode assets

like if you going to discontinue it atleast use what you have

Give me a Nulltrooper thats been Reprogrammed by Sombra or something

and reinforced to be some kind of commander

or canonise the actual omnic mimics of heroes

Because they aren't canon if I remember correctly

[candid helm]

I hate ow 2 redesigns

It lacks details

It's like calling up a person on the street who doesn't know anything about Overwatch and asking to redesign them

[lyric chasm]

I like them

depends on the characters, but many of them I like

[lyric chasm]

to be fair it seems like they are doing that, just stretching it over a certain time

[shy dagger]

That’s odd cause I feel like they’re more overly designed than their ow1 counterparts.
Also, I think it depends on the character. Sigma’s meh for example. However, Genji’s and Sym’s are top notch cause they have symbolic details of their character development

[candid helm]

I was wrong in generalizing , but even the good designs aren't that good , Genji looks like a homeless person who got clothes

[static totem]

genji went from metal man, to an actual cyborg ninja

[candid helm]

like ana reaper and soldier 76 their new designs are really bad

[shy dagger]

More like he went from naked to actually putting some clothes on😭💀

[static totem]

true

but he is dripped out

[shy dagger]

I like solider’s beard personally. Shows how much he’s been through as an old veteran

[static totem]

Ana got more colours

ashe got a little wormer

warmer*

bap turned from orange to white 😦

[candid helm]

I meant the clothes , look at Reaper's jeans for example or his gear and ana's gear too

[static totem]

and got more marge heair

[candid helm]

I think that's the whole theme , they made them more colorful

[peak escarp]

almost like he's wearing Overwatch colours now

[static totem]

true

[shy dagger]

No I get it Reaper’s a miss for me.
I like Ana’s though although I think not much has changed for her

[static totem]

white and cyan is not overwatches colours bro

[peak escarp]

I like that Cassidy's OW2 design is more futuretech

white and blue are

[static totem]

atleast his ow1 had orange and white

[candid helm]

Their coats feels like plastic tbh

[static totem]

blue was trike team colours

[shy dagger]

I think it’s fine

[static totem]

Bastion got a J*b in OW2

[shy dagger]

That’s why he’s more depressed

Also don’t forget the hat

[static totem]

he ddefinately looks more experienced

[peak escarp]

Bastion is wearing Torbjorn's old hat

[static totem]

yeah the hat is the sign he got a J*b

[shy dagger]

That’s so cute

[peak escarp]

why are you censoring job

[static totem]

D.va got rid of that hrrible haircut

[candid helm]

They saved his beard 🙏🙏

[lyric chasm]

Morrison got a nice hairstyle now, doesn't look like he chugs down 10 coffees a day and sniffs a cocaine line before his steak dinner

[static totem]

horrible*

Doomfist made the "Doomfist" more comfortable

[candid helm]

But that's the whole point , he's vigilante he looks too clean imo

[lyric chasm]

He doesn't have to look like that imo

new design is on par with the way his story is going tho

even if they may not have planned it then

[static totem]

all echo got was a slightly darker shade of blue

hanzo decided to cover up his nipple

bit chilly

[candid helm]

Ow2 feels flashy in my opinion

Too much colors but instead small details

[lyric chasm]

I just don't like the way the colors are for some reason, I use Polar instead, it's less messy imo

[static totem]

Mei got a faciel reconstruction surgery

Lucio turned into a neon billboard

[lyric chasm]

biggest offender is Brig being made slimmer and Cassidy losing his tan imo

[static totem]

Junk Rat finally went to a hairdressers in the Bahamas

[static totem]

Atleast brig got rid of that fuckass mital shard in her hair

marcy just flipped the halo and bought a cardigan

[lyric chasm]

I like Mercy's new hair cut

[static totem]

true

ponytail didnt really suit her

Moira De-chromed herself

Orisa also went to a hairdresser, but in Numbani (Or it was lucios hairdresser)

[candid helm]

Tracer being colorful suits her , i liked her design unlike many people

[static totem]

Pharah got less shiny while getting both more and less sharp in her design

Reaper found a comfertable sweat shirt that he liked and just rocks that with a grim reaper outfit from amazon

[candid helm]

Reaper became ass

[static totem]

Rein upgrade his entire armour

and showed his face

Hog swapped yellow for red and put on more leather

[candid helm]

Those scars on the mask or his jeans and his ammo gear felt different

[static totem]

sigma became less bald

soldier fixed his hairline and just overall freshend himself up for the Guys

sombra got a ahir extension and ripped her jacket ig

oh yah she got a conduction stove implated into her scalp

Sym overall improved her design to feel more unique

torb's beer belly rew so large he had to abandon the metal tummy shield

tracer got a bit chilly innit so she put a jecket on

widow stopped being hornbait by covering up

winston got some detail to his suit

Ball stopped being naked and got a paint job

zarya put better conduction on her suit and got shoulder pads

Zen got cold so he put clothes on his top half

thats all the changes from OW1 Deafult to OW2 default

perfectly summarised by me

[static totem]

Talong gave him his paycheck to get some better clothes

[candid helm]

that's why he moved out to talon too

[static totem]

I feel like all talon members got an overall drip upgrade

more fancy

except somb

she lost like, half her fit

[lyric chasm]

I love her fit better now

[static totem]

I dont like how she just has her pits hanging out

[lyric chasm]

I mean, it's just armpits, we all have them

I like the long gloves

looks elegant

[spare fox]

I am just ready for them to give the new OW team members their new uniforms

[digital linden]

do u think they'd still keep the classic blue white yellow uniform style like the original overwatch ones

[spare fox]

idk I think I'd like it either way

like the classic look (blue and white) or taking on a new look

the old first strike uniforms do have a little bit of a "retro" look so I expect something little more modern

[digital linden]

agree

[spare fox]

yeah a modern design take on the classic first strike uniforms would be cool
going in a new direction to give the new team a new, separate feel from the old ow organization would also be cool

[peak escarp]

I'm glad they fixed the weirdness with Cassidy's face

his tan looked more like grime

and his beard was rough

[rugged drift]

So I understand that Hazard is part of the Phreaks, and they stole that thing from Oasis, but how does Hazard actually fit into the lore? Is he just some dude? Like, same thing with Venture how do they fit into everything? Both of them are just kinda there neither of them have ties to Overwatch or Talon or Vishkar or the Junkers or the Hashimotos or anything like that

[lyric chasm]

you're right

[fossil wren]

The Phreaks are anarchists

At the moment they have no relation to the main Lore, However my personal theory is that Moira intentionally let the Phreaks steal the vanadium

The Phreaks will likely be a more chaotic faction and will come into conflict with other factions like Talon, Null Sector, Overwatch, Helix

Although based on Hazard origin story it is possible that the Phreaks conflict will be against Oasis and Helix

About Venture I personally think they will appear in soldier plot in the future

[narrow silo]

is junkrat evil or good?

[rugged drift]

Yes

[narrow silo]

oh

[spare fox]

Srs hoping they pick up on the Junker storyline soon

Queen going on a road trip with the champ and her trusted junker crew... and Junkrat and Roadhog wind up being there

And then there's literally the Junker equivalent of this scene:

[static totem]

Junkr queen goes hunting Ram Fr

[rugged drift]

I need a cinematic of Hammond winning fights in the Scrapyard

[true harness]

Which character has the worst lore

[peak escarp]

worst is pretty subjective, but Venture has the least lore I think

also their backstory is kinda lacking

[true harness]

Less than even the newer ones like juno hazard freja?

[peak escarp]

about equal with them in terms of quantity

but I still think their backstory is pretty boring

Hazard, Juno and Freja are at least interesting

I hope Venture does cross paths with Soldier and maybe join up with him

[rugged drift]

I think we need more Lucio lore lowkey

Like we know that he’s pushing back against Vishkar developing Rio but that’s about it

And he’s a DJ with a world famous album

Right? Idk if I’ve seen all of his lore

[fossil wren]

Lucio is now part of the new Overwatch

He joins them after the battle of Rio against Null Sector

[rugged drift]

Oh ok I thought he just kinda helped OW with Null Sector in Rio I didn’t know that he was like actually part of the team officially now

[bold fern]

what is the relationship between ashe and cass
are they lovers? friends? enemies? siblings?

[grand wedge]

Ex friends

Ex found family I’d say

[peak escarp]

that's a good way to put it

Cassidy flirted with Ashe a bit when they were teens, but she shut him down hard

[lyric chasm]

Did he? It seemed to me he was just very attentive to her needs at the moment

like the gift he gave her, very thoughtful

in all cases it seems she's still not over him in 20 years :/

[grand wedge]

She hate that he left her and the gang, because she considered the gang her family, and Cassidy was there in the beginning of it.

It family feud at this point. Betrayed by her own kind

[vivid wigeon]

overwtacth

[peak escarp]

you can't read this and tell me Cassidy isn't flirting

also BOB's reaction is the best

[lyric chasm]

alright, completely forgot lol

[peak escarp]

it cracks me up to imagine 15-year-old Cassidy thinking he's smooth and getting demolished like that by Ashe

[lyric chasm]

I like the part where he takes off his shirt and I think both Ashe and Frankie make fun of him or something

[peak escarp]

the audiobook version is the best

[lyric chasm]

there's an audiobook??

lol

[peak escarp]

yes

Jen Hale reads it

[lyric chasm]

oooh I should check it out

[pearl spire]

how do y’all think genji would look of moira rebuilt him

[spare fox]

horrifying

like something out of arcane

[pearl spire]

but reaper looks regular right?

doesn’t he still look captain reyes or am i tripping?

[spare fox]

does he?

no, he looks horrifying but we haven't seen him for real yet

[pearl spire]

ohhh so those skins where he shows his face that’s his old body?? i never knew but that makes sense

id be pissed if a hawt scientist deadpooled me too

did reyes ask to be risen?

wait nvm redundant

he was basically dead

[spare fox]

it's unknown but I'm pretty sure he didn't ask to be dead

[pearl spire]

yea i feel like it would’ve been a nice ending for him with the whole jealousy thing now he has a grudge on his ex forever

[spare fox]

his ex?

I'm pretty sure I know where this is going but 😩

[pearl spire]

lol

[digital linden]

genji with moira's wraith/decay powers would be so scary

[pearl spire]

literally a nightmare

[spare fox]

That would be an interesting Mirrorwatch skin

Even a Mirrorwatch kit: Genji's blade does a bleed or lifestealing effect

[lyric chasm]

his dash would be cool looking with a wraith effect

[spare fox]

Soooooo good they have to do this!

[lyric chasm]

He'd have Retribution voicelines too

not the appeased Genji we get now

but the angry and jaded post-fratricide Genji

[fossil wren]

I'm very sure

That Genji would be more miserable and angry than Reaper

[pearl spire]

you think he would’ve kill his bro?

that’s what i’ve been thinking

like this genji would have had no chance of retribution a shadow that stalks the night

maybe even gon after his ninja clan too

[fossil wren]

Its possible that Genji would try to go after Hanzo or the Shimada clan elders

They would probably be the ones he would blame for his suffering just like Reaper blames Overwatch

[pearl spire]

yea bc our genji was stuck on feeling sorry for himself bc he was part robot/closer to the omnics imho

i feel he’d embrace the monster, he’d become the dragon and all that

[lyric chasm]

likely. If Moira's experiments are what taps into the host's anger, then Genji will be as much prone to it as Reyes

and Genji would probably have less to hold him back

less experience in life, a past in a gang family, no military/police discipline

[fossil wren]

Also there is no Zenyatta to help him reconcile with himself

[lyric chasm]

indeed

[pearl spire]

bro we need a what if overwatch imagine overwatch found reyes him first and moira got genji

[pearl spire]

cooking

his body would be like hers all veiny and glowing like some undead zombie and he has ninja training to imagine a genji with built in lifesteal

i’m too excited lemme chill

[lyric chasm]

Adam Smasher type of horrendous being

[latent lark]

so anyone have any thoughts on Wuyang's lore?

[fossil wren]

I'll have them when we know the lore

Although I have been saying for a while that Wuyang will be part of the collective

[latent lark]

whats the collective again?

OHHHH

I could see it

[fossil wren]

Lifeweaver Faction

[grand wedge]

Wuyang being with the collective would be really cool tbh.

[latent lark]

trying to make up a fan heroes ascendant inspired cover art. trying to figure out who all to include

[grand wedge]

depends what you want to do. You want it close to canon? Then you can go with Genji and Zen, Doomfist and Maximilien, Freyja and Emre...

[spare fox]

I'm predicting he is related to Wancai Industries:
https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Wancài_Industries

only because of the connection between nutrient-rich water, hydroponics being on the "recent" antarctica map, wancai industries being a chinese enterprise doesn't hurt when added to the aforementioned

[shy dagger]

We need Overwatch YouTubers who are just dedicated to lore.
Blizzard does nothing to explain nor to advertise its lore, except with voicelines every now and then. I never knew this organization and I’ve been a lore nerd ever since I started playing

[opaque tundra]

Same. A new one popped up that’s more discussion focused and I’ve made two videos so we’re out there, but yeah, we definitely need more of us

Wancai is also extremely obscure to be fair

[spare fox]

Shrooomie has been making videos and I made one about omnics and I want to make more I just have a ft job and I'm working on another big project too

[spare fox]

Wancai is obscure now but their invention is at the root of space exploration as well as exploration of otherwise remote, uninhabitable regions like Antarctica

kind of like Sigmas magnetic/gravity breakthroughs

[shy dagger]

That’s awesome. I’ve been meaning to watch Shroomie. I already follow him on Twitter.

Shot out to these guys btw, him and Uniwatch always the ones hunting for new voicelines every new patch

[digital linden]

probably not very lore related but i've noticed when a moira is on your team and she fades u can actually see where she goes now

like there's a purple cloud that follows where she moves so u can track her

so idk if that changes lore implications from her entirely disappearing for a brief moment or to just a cloud of smoke before reforming

[peak escarp]

I've had ideas to make videos, but it's a lot of work and with a 9-5 job I just don't have the time

[shy dagger]

It’s just a quality of life change for her teammates. I’ve had many times as mercy where my Moira would disappear into the shadow realm and I’ll have no idea where tf she went. Now I can see where.
Nevertheless, I don’t think this changes anything lore wise. Gameplay doesn’t affect lore. For example, Zen lore-wise has no powers; his orbs and his flight abilities only exist for gameplay sakes.

[shy dagger]

Maybe try starting small like with little pieces of lore in the form of YouTube shorts?

[peak escarp]

it's still something I don't have time for

[lyric chasm]

Lots of key info is in Declassified, and honestly months after reading I don’t remember a lot from it @shy dagger

Mb meant to answer to your message but my phone effed up

[spare fox]

Is it known if the new Morocco map is near or related to WP Gibraltar?

[shy dagger]

We dont know which specific part of Morocco Aatlis is located in.
However judging by the name, if we’d presume that it is near the Atlas Mountains in the country, then no, they wouldn’t be close to Gibraltar

[shy dagger]

Interesting

[spare fox]

Yeah probably not, that's the kind of answer I was looking for. It's probably on the Atlantic coast there since the map appears to be on water

Err rather on the waterfront

It's a little irksome that they named this map Aatlis and the next one is going to be Atlantic Arcology

And we can take a guesstimate that the Arcology will be near-ish to WP Gibraltar since they were both gifted/developed by the Matinses

[shy dagger]

Maybe, so you think the arcology could also be in Spain/ near Spain

[spare fox]

Well it is in the Atlantic Ocean and the Martin's are Portuguese

There's a bit about it in Declassified I can check

[peak escarp]

Claudio is Portuguese

Hector is Venezuelan

[spare fox]

It wouldn't surprise me if it was nearest to Spain/Portugal/Canary islands/Azores

I kind of imagined it would be in or around that circle

[opaque tundra]

Sir this is lore discussion

[pearl spire]

oh-

[shy dagger]

Yeah! That’d make sense!

[tulip stone]

Just me or do i feel that Winston has the most know lore? I feel like i might be wrong and i need some help ^^

I feel like Soldier could be it but i am unsure

[narrow nymph]

https://youtu.be/wRJ6O6UkEmo?si=EFIwq_WxCtYJbOSN first time listening through this seasons interactions, most you wont hear unless you go tanks in 6v6

[spare fox]

It depends entirely how you quantify and qualify lore. For instance, yes S76 has a full cinematic but it doesn't really tell us much about his story - only his character

And he's a major character in the Sojourn novel, but that of course mainly focuses on Sojourn

But would you count it as Soldier lore?

[peak escarp]

if you count "most lore" as "most of their lore/life story is known", Orisa has the most

we know her entire life story and then some

[shy dagger]

During Overwatch’s golden age and Blackwatch, did Reyes (Reaper) keep secrets from Jake and Ana? I’d assume so

[peak escarp]

he hired Moira behind their backs

[fossil wren]

That must have been a big discussion after they found out

[peak escarp]

this is from the Retribution epilogue, but I'm certain part of Jack's lecture was about Moira

and by Uprising the following year, Jack was distrustful of Reyes

because if he didn't know about Moira, what else doesn't he know about?

these are the start of the collapse of their friendship

which is one of the factors that led to the fall of Overwatch

I think if Jack, Gabe and Ana were still there during the trial, they could have saved Overwatch

but Ana was MIA, and Jack and Gabe blew each other up

[tired lagoon]

Sigma strong

All i know

https://tenor.com/view/ynsanuz-overwatch-thinking-gif-14758806

[nocturne solar]

guys

does Hammond the hamster have friends

I think he doesn't and it makes me sad

[peak escarp]

he thought Winston was his friend, but then Winston stole his design schematic and left the moon without him...

[nocturne solar]

:(((

poor hampster

does he not have canon friends in the wasteland

[spare fox]

He sees Junkerqueen as a friend

[shy dagger]

https://x.com/charlottemjoy/status/1939739556871286962?s=46

charlotte (@CharlotteMJoy)

THIS IS A STRETCH BUT
what if they’re removing voice lines because they’re getting ready for a TV show and they need to reestablish lore

X · Jun 30, 2025, 5:35 PM

What do we think about this?

[peak escarp]

interactions have been removed in the past, due to them being old and not reflecting the current state of lore

the ones that have been removed don't reflect the post-Invasion state of lore

they might also have been removed to keep the number of possible interactions lower

since only 2-3 play each round, there's less chance of hearing certain ones

[spare fox]

THIS IS NOT TRUE DO NOT FALL FOR IT
https://x.com/liespiach/status/1939843576579727868?s=19

vieπna ～｡₶‎ ꒰ 🐑🍷 (@liespiach)

what. what. what do you mean.

X · Jul 1, 2025, 12:28 AM

Aaron does not have a Twitter account

[peak escarp]

[spare fox]

Damn I didn't even realize the capitalized PVE letters ffs guys

[shy dagger]

Top tier bait ngl

[worthy rose]

I thought he just kinda helped OW with Null Sector in Rio I didn’t know that he was like actually part of the team officially now

[peak escarp]

he is seen with the rest of Overwatch in Watchpoint Gibraltar in the Christmas comic "Together" , which is set post-Invasion

also apparently he's bad at singing

[past copper]

I mean, he’s a DJ. Not a singer. So it fits

[peak escarp]

he does https://x.com/aaronkellerOW

Aaron Keller (@aaronkellerOW) on X

Game Director, Overwatch

X

but that post is still fake

[lyric chasm]

😔

[vapid tusk]

petition for Lore Warlord Doctor_Six to take my title as The Lore-ax because I fell off on the lore obsession a long time ago

[bold fern]

why is mauga hated by some characters cuz he seems hella chill to everyone

[lyric chasm]

Cuz his only moral compass is money

He's a rowdy character

Doesn’t care to make a mess

In Bap’s story we learn that only Baptiste manages to calm down Mauga's temper when he sees red

[bold fern]

the hamster seems to be chill with him

new interaction

[lyric chasm]

Hamster chills w Junkers

[bold fern]

https://youtu.be/wRJ6O6UkEmo?si=K0WNnDE7Q7t3wtWK

[lyric chasm]

I'm pretty sure Mauga would fit right in with Junkers

[bold fern]

is there anyone that hamster hates

hes kinda just there

[lyric chasm]

Winston I bet

Lucheng Interstellar

[bold fern]

winston wants to be like a human and hammond just embraces the changes

similar experiments but different moral

jrejenejfjfj

[lyric chasm]

.

Winston kinda abandoned him

[bold fern]

:((

does doomfist truly hate anyone aswell

he respects winston due to how strong he is

and prob orisa being strong

[lyric chasm]

I don't know if he works on hate

It's more about power as you say

I haven't read the numbani story tho

[bold fern]

i like how he respects winston

hes not like aaa villain hate egeryoneee

[lyric chasm]

Then again voicelines are to be taken with a grain of salt

They're hypothetical

[bold fern]

mauga and doomfist voicelines

[lyric chasm]

Iirc Talon (and/or DF) believe there is a cycle of violence in the human world that is necessary and it seems like they think they have a role to play in that

[bold fern]

is it cuz the lore ppl gave up

[lyric chasm]

No,it's just because the game forces together several people that haven't met canonically

So voicelines can be canon but also can just be hypothetical based on the characters' personality

[bold fern]

ooo

i like DF

hbh

hbu

[lyric chasm]

It's in my name

Cassidy

Sombra

Mostly, but I'm fascinated with all of the lore

[bold fern]

i see

ty

@lyric chasm has there been hints or teasers for aqua on maps?

like they usually do with the prev heroes

[lyric chasm]

Not to my knowledge, I've even seen a meme about it

Quality bad,sorry

[spare fox]

the quality we deserve

[shy dagger]

I don’t think they’ll add any considering we already know he’s coming ever since the spotlight.
Still, even Juno got hints and we already knew she was coming😭

They just hate my boy ig

[peak escarp]

maybe there are hints and we just won't recognize them until Wuyang is out

[spare fox]

iirc several of the hints weren't added until midseason of the season before the hero release

it wouldn't be unusual

[shy dagger]

Ah I see

[shy dagger]

They always release the story trailer + their mini comic before the trial right?

[spare fox]

not always

[shy dagger]

I remember they did that with Freja. Idk about the other heroes

[spare fox]

try to get it out of your head that there are rules like that, because there aren't

[shy dagger]

I see

[white goblet]

T

[normal remnant]

Do we know why Moira is so awful as a person lol like an origin for this immorality?

[peak escarp]

she just is

[azure flint]

aqua lore when

[fossil wren]

Soon

[past copper]

One word. Humanity. Enough said

[fossil wren]

Science and progress have always been a great excuse and justification for immorality, Moira justifies her immorality under the excuse of scientific progress when it's pretty obvious that she enjoys what she does and probably doesn't give a shit about the damage she causes, You just have to see Reaper

[bold fern]

i swesr they will just add splashes of water and call it a teaser @spare fox @shy dagger

[green orbit]

Is it just me or do i want more lore on freja than the trailer and description like why she bounty hunts

[lyric chasm]

Because she's good at it

As a former search and rescue agent

Lore still happens but it's gradual, and Freja is super recent so give it time

[shy dagger]

Ngl they might just do that🫩😭

[cedar shuttle]

New map had water! Wuyang teaser!

[wanton furnace]

😭 wuyang better not be like venture, I need lore and skins for him

[candid helm]

"I've always thrived under a deadline"

[shy dagger]

That line is so cool. Like she knows she’s dying but girl doesn’t care and instead embraces it

[bold fern]

is there a reason why illari sucks at recognising animals

she calls ball a rat

[shy dagger]

Also a guinea pig lol

[bold fern]

she thinks kiri's fox is a wolf

dog

[bold fern]

is there an actual reason

why she sucks

[shy dagger]

Idk. Maybe cause she was raised by the Inti and thus wasn’t exposed to many animals?

That’s my theory at least

Idk much about her lore

[candid helm]

She herself is not an evil person , but she is blinded by the blindness of science , and this happens a lot with scientists especially in doctoral degrees she sees that the only achievement is the advancement of science and sees the entire focus of his life only on science so we see Moira only caring about the things that benefit her and not caring about anything else and ready to sacrifice anything she owns for the advancement of science (status, social life, psychological state and most importantly her humanity)

Or maybe she's "evil" Because this is considered evil or idk

[spare fox]

I think the "Illari incorrectly identifying animals" bit is a way to make her seem cold and distant, but maybe a little innocent

[wicked briar]

Hi chat

[spare fox]

she spent her whole life focusing on being an Inti warrior

[wicked briar]

Who?

[spare fox]

loving animals is one way that people connect with one another (see the Internet and cats, corgis, axolotle for the biggest examples) and she missed out on that connection with the world at large

[little kayak]

femboy mercy lf duo/grp

[shy dagger]

She means well cause she wants humanity to prosper via science, but she lacks ethics and morals to actually care about anyone. Like, she treats her allies whom she’s supposed to heal as test subjects and experiments

[shy dagger]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[spare fox]

Welp just waiting for the last 3 of the OW writers are laid off today 😩

[candid helm]

Like doom and reaper , sombra

[opaque tundra]

They’re not gonna lay off all their writers

[shy dagger]

Doom has a philosophy that he seems convinced with.
Reaper is just a tortured soul
Sombra is in for her own good

[old python]

Is he not a fat rat marsupial

Or something

[distant hamlet]

he’s a hamster

just. a genetically modified big hamster

i personally think they should’ve just made him a capybara or something

[lyric chasm]

nah Capybaras are too peaceful

[candid helm]

What is dylan snyder tweet about ?

[opaque tundra]

Layoffs

[peak escarp]

she also threatens to cook/eat him because Guinea pigs are raised for food in South America (called cuy)

[fossil wren]

It's funny how she mistakes Kiriko kitsune for a dog

[cosmic raven]

**YO GUYS **
Does anyone know any leagues that have t2 with high plat - mid diamond with console and pc that starts in less then 2 months

[shy dagger]

Yea I knew that. Hilarious

[elfin bane]

like are people purposely talking about non lore things to piss people off?? how hard is it to read the channel name i swear

[opaque tundra]

You get used to it

[spare fox]

we hear "I didn't know what lore meant so I thought it was ok to post here" or some variation of that A LOT

yeah you get used to it and just ignore it

anything egregious report to modmail

[bold fern]

what type omnic is echo

she look different

ram is the r7000 or sum

[spare fox]

echo is not an omnic

[bold fern]

o

wut is she

[spare fox]

https://youtu.be/Vo7nfrmMIRw?si=Ouq6ZnaOJSF98loc

(I made that vid to explain) it's short and informative

[bold fern]

i didnt watch the video but i think i know how to differenitate

its the dots on their forehead!!!!

[spare fox]

no, omnics are sentient

[bold fern]

ok ig i'll have to watch the video

💔

but thank you

[spare fox]

I mean it has the answer you're looking for

[bold fern]

https://tenor.com/view/moth-echo-overwatch-ow2-skin-gif-18235130155236910844

[spare fox]

I do need to make more lore videos

[lyric chasm]

Stricto sensu, omnics were all the robots made by factories named Omniums before the Omnic Crisis and during the Omnic Crisis under Anubis’ control. Then it's used to describe those that gained sentience thanks to the Aurora conscience broadcast at the end of the crisis.

Any kind of robots created after that didn't gain sentience, even if they're very advanced AIs like Echo

[bold fern]

pls make

orisa vs doom rematch

ples

i lovr noobani

[spare fox]

I meant more like video essays and analysis. I don't make the actual lore...

[peak escarp]

I haven't watched the video but the thumbnail makes me mad

Orisa is considered an omnic, despite not being Awakened

by virtue of being originally built in an omnium as an OR15

[spare fox]

OR14 were made in the omnium

OR15 were made 20 years later

||After the war, they were taken out of production, along with many of the other models used during the Crisis. Twenty years later, Numbani revived and recommissioned the OR14 program to protect the city from external threats. These new OR15s were deployed for a short time before they were destroyed in an attack by Doomfist.

"Efi repaired and reconfigured the robot and installed a personality core that she had designed herself."

Her official bio refers to her as a robot several times but not once as an omnic

I did my research

[bold fern]

oh i meant an analysis on the doom vs orisa rematch

where doom fled

[spare fox]

I mean there's not much to analyze. Orisa was specifically upgraded with Doomfist's attacks in mind in order to counter him. And then after that Efi and Orisa went and met Sojourn who recommended further upgrades (her OW2 redesign)

then Numbani was attacked by Null Sector and Efi's Junies were able to fend off Null Sector, so Orisa (and Efi) joined up with Overwatch and that's where we are in the present

[spare fox]

have you read Hero of Numbani?

[bold fern]

no

idk where to read them

[spare fox]

you can get an ebook copy or listen to an audiobook (it's narrated by Orisa's voice actor and she is SOOOO good!)

or a physical copy from a bookstore or library

you'll like it, it's very wholesome

[peak escarp]

I must have misremembered - I was sure her OW1 bio called her an omnic

[spare fox]

You might be right. I'm not convinced there wasn't a "soft retcon" about what is and isn't an omnic during OW2 development. Hence why Zen's age was changed

But I'm going by what's official now so, that's where she stands

[peak escarp]

gotcha

[old python]

Doom one shots

[cunning niche]

Accurate lore doom is black

[proud halo]

So is Moira eventually going to become the main villain in the lore? Is she not already?

[peak escarp]

no

the main villains are Ramattra and Doomfist

Moira is just doing her own thing

[proud halo]

Really? I have to disagree. If you pick up on things...she seems to be the darkest character of them all. Doom is ultimately nothing to worry about, pride will be his downfall. Ram seems to have an inner peace and genuinely wants a better life for his people. Moira on the other hand has no inner peace or light. Just darkness

she's secretly the main villain no?

[fossil wren]

The only secret villain could be the eye conspiracy that Sombra is trying to reveal

And I wouldn't call doomfist nothing to worry about

[tight otter]

Need someone to tell me abt the whole lore of Overwatch

[fossil wren]

Doomfist isnt a proud or self-centered person, he is too meticulous and cautious

Ramattra DEFINITELY has no inner peace 💀

[fossil wren]

And while his goals are noble, Ramattra is an extremist and his methods are really excessive, He doesnt seek to annihilate humanity, but his attacks have caused unjustified damage and many deaths and sometimes made the situation worse for the omnics (like in Kings Row)

Moira is a secondary villain, she doesn't have the reach of Doomfist or Ramattra, although to be fair Moira actions from what we know are much darker and more horrifying than what Ramattra and Doomfist have done

[proud halo]

I'm telling you all right now. Moira solos Ram and Doom. They are too prideful and boisterous. Moira is the true calculating villain. Her science will eventually turn her into a monster, not just one arm.

Ram seems surprisingly human, and Doom is just an egomaniac on a roster full of them. Moira is the true demon

Out of all the heroes on the roster....who would you say has the darkest personality? The darkest soul? It is moira

Ever notice how all of her emotes and voice lines are negative?

She's mean in every voice line. Even if you want to be nice, blizzard doesn't let you

[cedar shuttle]

Average diablo take

[leaden hornet]

doom is a gud guy

he wants 2 make the worl a better place

by makeing ppl exp conflick

think of riding a bike

riding a bike ez wif training weels

but if u keep using training weels u will never get gud at rideing bicicle

so u take ur training weels off

den rideing bike becomes hard

an u fall off but u keep rideing ur bike even doe u exp conflict

u can now ride ur bicicle without halp from training weels

[winter path]

Is Dva rockets long range or does the damage fall off

[lyric chasm]

Look up the wikia

[lyric chasm]

But he's wrong. The cycle of violence thing is a belief, and while it may have been true for past human history, nothing tells that a world as advanced as OW's couldn't have achieved some kind of long term peace, even despite human nature. The OW world was doing very good up until Anubis went rogue, et let's not forget that Anubis was able to act on its intentions because it somehow managed to kill all the staff taking care of it. Just like somehow, Illari's ritual exploded and killed all her people and like the Zurich HQ somehow exploded aswell. Anyways.
Doomfist isn’t a good guy, he's a man with a belief, and a dangerous one at that.

And of course the man at the top of the network of organized crime, gangs and mafias, is going to believe that conflict is necessary for humanity.

[tardy nymph]

This principle can also be applied to things you probably wouldn’t agree with tho, like let’s beat children relentlessly so they become stronger as adults

Essentially if the goal is strength through suffering the principle states to maximize suffering in order to maximize strength

[leaden hornet]

hmm i c

[leaden hornet]

tru

[leaden hornet]

yea also tru ig it not a gud principle 2 use

[tardy nymph]

There’s a reasonable understanding of why he thinks this way

But there’s a line that can be crossed

Muscle can be trained through micro tears

To improve after it heals

But you train to much and those micro tears become larger

And you pull the muscle

Prevent its recovery

Making a kid deadlift 400 lbs according to this principle will make him stronger

While yes deadlifting can make you stronger

The kid probably needs less weight

Or he’s just gonna hurt himself and not get back up

[leaden hornet]

hmm yea makes sense

[peak escarp]

having a "dark" soul/personality doesn't mean someone is a bigger villain than people actively starting a war and who are the direct antagonists to the heroes of the story

Moira is a minor character

[fervent widget]

Moira could care less about most of the events that occur in the OW lore in a way imo, Doomfist is an intentional driving factor for many of them including the impact Moira has on any piece of lore by design

She might be antagonistic to very specific characters such as Hazard, but she's not THE villain that Doomfist purposely makes himself to be. She just wants to study humanity's evolutionary advancement without regulations slowing her research down, and if it means helping Doom with his plans to get the resources and money to do so, she's fine with whatever.

I'd say her agenda is more plain and blatantly spelled out than anyone in Talon. Whereas Ram and Doom are putting a target on their back on purpose as a challenge

[fossil wren]

Under that logic

Its reaper not moira

Literally most of Reaper's voice lines are like: I'm going to kill you and send you to the fifth circle of hell where you will experience unbearable pain

[pseudo socket]

Best summary I've ever read for reaper 🗿

😭

[vapid tusk]

i had a stroke reading this whole thing

[leaden hornet]

srry mr lore-ax

[toxic glen]

im making a lore manga for overwatch if u go into fanart you will see the cover for it

i have the story based out and seeing what story would work and doesnt

itll pick up straight from the cinematics

[latent lark]

OMG

I have a whole timeine of Lore

I also have the cutscenes from the cut PVE missions (not complete but like the storybaord clips from the Dev vids)

[leaden hornet]

:o

[fossil wren]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-palpatine-anakin-skywalker-phantom-menace-gif-10607636

[peak escarp]

keep in mind that this channel is for discussing canon Overwatch lore - fan comics and fanfiction are not canon

[thorny hollow]

I feel like there should be a crimson variant to mythics. Like a red pulsatong energy in a bloodvine texture

There iridescent and gilded, I just thought there should be that

Also, anyone know if they will implement something soon to stop people from leaving, especially in comp-system based games like STADIUM and competitive play? It gets annoying when your petty ass team leaves after loosing 1 round...

[spare fox]

that's valid but wrong channel

[toxic glen]

So? People will appreciate that I’m doing it since I have art skill and I’m non biased to characters I’ve tried to make the story as best as possible

I’ve tried to stick with the minds of blizzard and tried to stick to what (would or could be canon)

[peak escarp]

they can appreciate it, I'm just pointing out the rules

[toxic glen]

Fair

[peak escarp]

they can discuss it in other channels

just not here

[candid helm]

Can we talk about the fact that Widowmaker tanked Doomfist's gauntlet?
I know it's from a kid but it's still crazy how much durability she has

[fossil wren]

I guess Moira also increased her durability when she altered her body

[peak escarp]

she had plot armor

[fossil wren]

Or maybe just that

Yeah probably that

[candid helm]

I think it's reasonable since it was from a kid

[spare fox]

yeah and according to Declassified, no one really knows how the gauntlet works [other than the current doomfist] so it makes sense the kid wouldn't use it exactly right

[peak escarp]

we don't even know what the Doofist gauntlet can do

they say he could level a skyscraper, but can he really?

we haven't really seen him use it in canon

[spare fox]

Oh yeah, I didn't realize that

Only kind of in action in the origin story for him and that takes place in the past

[peak escarp]

he punched out of prison and defeated the OR15s with just his cybernetic arm

[spare fox]

Who knows what kind of upgrades it's gotten since he got it back

[peak escarp]

I think

ah

he initially attacks without the gauntlet, takes it back as it's being transported through the airport, then smashes the OR15s

so we did see him use it a bit at the airport

[spare fox]

I think it highly likely he's done some upgrades on it since the Numbani incident

But yeah we haven't really seen it in action... they're probably saving that for something big

[dusk dome]

Doomfist can punch through concrete without the gauntlet

So he probably adds a lot of power to it

[spare fox]

he comes from a family that helped revolutionize cybernetic prosthetics so of course he'll have customized it to reflect and augment his strength exponentially

[opaque hill]

Is bastion sentient like aurora? And is bastion related to the Iris?

[spare fox]

yes Bastion is sentient and he's the last bastion unit of his kind

[opaque hill]

How is he sentient though because during the cinematic, Bastion was given premade orders, so how did he awaken his sentience?

[spare fox]

the Iris is still relatively a mystery but it appeared when Aurora ascended during the Awakening which is what gave omnics like Bastion sentience

[spare fox]

Aurora's sacrifice overrode all the prior programming in omnics and gave them free will

[opaque hill]

I don’t remember when did Aurora ascend, was before or during the omnic crisis?

[spare fox]

during, but towards the end. The omnics having free will to choose to fight humans or not really helped to end the war

check out the Genesis short animations - it goes into all of this in further detail

[opaque hill]

So technically, Bastion was made before Aurora awakened (based on the honor and glory cinematic which was a loong time ago, and bastion was found near germany.) But these bots weren’t made with sentience, they were purely programmed to kill and eradicate humanity, and I assume that Bastion deactivated before Aurora awakened, soooo my theory is that Bastion might be similar if not a copy of Aurora in some parts. But bastion is a lesser machine than Aurora, maybe that’s why he has sentience but unable to form words but understands others, so Bastion obviously has intelligence but we haven’t really gotten more information for Bastion’s past so I can only assume.

[spare fox]

that is an interesting theory

and it's not like Bastion can talk or anything

[opaque hill]

I mean he wasn’t manufactured in a way that they were supposed to speak languages, they were killing machines.

[spare fox]

from The Last Bastion short it looks like his deployment into battle malfunctioned so he never wound up in battle

right he was built to be a weapon and only a weapon

[opaque hill]

But he might still malfunctioned before Aurora awakened

[spare fox]

that's why when he is wandering around Europe, they are terrified of him because it's like an enemy tank programmed to destroy all humans came to life. And there weren't any other bastion omnics left after the crisis so no one knew he was sentient until Torb figured it out

[spare fox]

right, there IS something weird about Bastion's programming and Torb is looking into it. I don't remember it exactly but it's written in one of the lore bits

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/short-story/torbjorn/

[opaque hill]

maybe he is an extension of anubis?

Maybe Anubis made bastion as a backup for when Anubis becomes active again?

Like a blueprint

[spare fox]

I don't think he's an extension of Anubis

[peak escarp]

Bastion units were believed to be lacking the processors needed to be awakened in the first place, which is why Torbjorn was so intrigued by him

after the Awakening, Anubis started making new units that also lacked the required processors, so a second Awakening couldn't take his forces from him (he didn't know it was a one-time thing)

[spare fox]

https://x.com/chronofloss/status/1942053930848141545?s=19

Dylan Snyder 💙 (@chronofloss)

@fkasailor @Flats_OW

X · Jul 7, 2025, 2:51 AM

Crumbs of copium

I know he's head of Stadium but

[fossil wren]

And suddenly Anubis became Ultron lol

[fossil wren]

The interaction of Sombra with bastion makes this matter even more interesting

Bastion is a very interesting character along with Zenyatta because of how cryptic they are in some aspects

[fossil wren]

Stadium lore 😭

[fossil wren]

Faith is the last thing that is lost after all, I have faith in the next blizzcon we will have some news about the Lore

I just hope Wuyang isn't used to create another subplot and a new faction

[bold fern]

what are junkers

they are criminals

but they dont join talon?

[lyric chasm]

They're people living in the wastelands of Australia after it was nuked

They aren't affiliated with any other faction

And I wouldn't call them criminals. They're just a community

I mean after the Omnium was nuked specifically iirc

[opaque tundra]

Why would you assume they join Talon?????

[lyric chasm]

Because I guess they believe all the OW universe criminals eventually join Talon

But junkers aren't criminals

Anyways

[bold fern]

but roadhog and junk

😭

dont they commit huge ass robberyz

[lyric chasm]

Yeah but not all Junkers are them

[bold fern]

terrorism

[fossil wren]

Roadhog and Junk are thieves and I think they have also worked as mercenaries

[bold fern]

for some reason hog is scared of talon

[fossil wren]

Well

[lyric chasm]

Junkers just do their mad max thing on their own part of the world

[bold fern]

he told moira to shoo

[fossil wren]

The largest terrorist organization in the world

I would be afraid of them too

[bold fern]

why is hog scared of moira

😂

[fossil wren]

Personally, I think some organizations might have links with Talon but nothing completely formal, Deadlock could be selling them weapons

[lyric chasm]

I don't think Ashe meddles with Talon. She might with Los Muertos though, if the voicelines with Sombra could be taken as hint.

I'm fine with not every organization cooperating with Talon despite being of criminal nature because all the organizations in this universe have some kind of ideology and I'm fine with having a variety of perspectives rather than everyone being with Talon.

[lyric chasm]

Who wouldn't?

Moira would experiment on you if you fell asleep next to her

Honestly she might even spike your drink first

And you wake up with a third arm and missing kidney

[bold fern]

yeah but its hog

[lyric chasm]

Come to think of it, mayyybe she does for the money but that's probably the most of it.

Ashe doesn't strike me as the kind to put herself in a situation where she'd have people above her. And certainly not abide by other's rules. Plus I don't think she'd agree with Doomfist's ideology

[lyric chasm]

Hog is just a mercenary. He's legitimate to feel scared about a crazy scientist.

[fossil wren]

You don't understand, having a conflictive family and parents who didn't love her made Ashe strong, that agrees with Doomfist ideology

[bold fern]

does doom care for his talon teammates

[spare fox]

I don't think Hog is afraid of Moira? What gives you that idea?

the interaction where she asks if he's huffing petrol and he offers her some, he doesn't sound scared at all of her and if anything Moira sounds slightly put off by the fact that he isn't scared of her

anyway, Junker roadtrip when???

[lyric chasm]

I think the only reason she'd agree with it is the profit it can bring her

I don't think she belives these things on an idelogical level

[bold fern]

heard one interaction where he says "stay away from me" to one of the talon members

forgot where

[spare fox]

ohhh he says "you eggheads stay away from me" when there are a lot of scientists/doctors on his team

[bold fern]

yeah

[spare fox]

Moira is one of them that can spark him saying that

I don't think he's afraid of her/them, I think he just wants to be left alone with his life choices lol

[bold fern]

does doom care for his talon teammatez

or is it just buisness

[dim geyser]

Junkers are people that live in Junkertown/NJC and are their own seperate society. Their civilization is pretty much completely seperated from the outside world (outside of australia) and they likely dont even know that Talon exists. Morally they could be considered criminals but they run a lawless* society so there are no crimes to commit. Roadhog and Junkrat are Junkers but they are also criminals which arent connected.
I did extensive research when I was forming my OC's lore

Also I have no idea how Junk and Hog managed to leave australia and enter other countries, I doubt theres functional airlines/ship charter lines surrounding/in Australia

kind of a plot hole there

[spare fox]

They have a map/instructions on one of the tables in Castillo that shows they sailed from place to place

[dim geyser]

Oh? I forget they have thigns like that in other maps

[tardy nymph]

Not sure if there’s a difference between the two to Doomfist

[peak escarp]

Australia still has normal cities

you can see Sydney in the comic "Going Legit"

it's only the outback that's chaos and junkers

Junk and Hog could easily sneak onto a cargo flight, or bribe/threaten a pilot into taking them

[dim geyser]

Ohh okay I somehow mushy-brained that lmao

[digital linden]

i think there's a playable map of sydney for lucioball but you cant actually explore it

[twin rune]

Yall, If each Norse skin was a god who would be which god?

[fossil wren]

I suppose you mean what god they represent

Odin - Sigma
Loki - Sombra
Thor - Reinhardt
Baldr - Lifeweaver

[fossil wren]

If what you are wondering is why those gods were chosen for those characters, the answer is very simple, Odin is known for his constant search for knowledge as well of his wisdom which is very similar to Sigma, Loki is that annoying mf in the Norse pantheon and Sombra is the most annoying hero in the game, Do I need to explain why Thor and Reinhardt? Baldr is associated with beauty and let's be honest Lifeweaver is the most handsome hero

[shy dagger]

Don’t forget Freja as Freja

[fossil wren]

Freja didn't exist yet in the Nordic season so she doesn't count

[shy dagger]

I know I was making a joke

[proud halo]

i could see him becoming tha main villain as well

[leaden hornet]

hes jus misunderstood

reaper will be reveeled to be a good guy and jack morrison and gabriel reyes will becom gud frens again trust

[fossil wren]

Yeaaaah

let's say yes

[leaden hornet]

lesgo!!!

[peak escarp]

Reaper seems more like his good guy turn will come at the cost of his life

like, he betrays Doomfist just to take him down with him

or maybe he sacrifices himself to save his family

[proud halo]

how good of friends are we talking here?

[proud halo]

i could def see that

[leaden hornet]

hmm idk but gud frens

like goku and vegeta prob

if dat makes cents

cuz dey were kinda at each others necks b4 rite

[proud halo]

they gonna kith each other

lol jk

[fossil wren]

It's a twist I see possible for Reaper, after all at this point Gabriel life is an existence of suffering, Being able to achieve redemption through his death is something that would honestly be a great ending for him

[unreal frost]

do we know brig's SO?

[azure flint]

its me

[unreal frost]

oh mb fr?

[fossil wren]

SO?

[merry token]

Significant other, in reference to her voicelines about having a crush on someone

[fossil wren]

Oh, that's me

Just kidding

We don't really know anything about it beyond Brigitte voicelines

[leaden hornet]

dam fr? didnt no u had game like dat

[leaden hornet]

u 2? dam...

[merry token]

And me

[leaden hornet]

brruh dam ok i c u

[tardy nymph]

Anybody know what dancing Symmetra does

[little snow]

i think that d.va is a hacker

[gray fox]

Shes doing traditional Kathak dances, according to the wiki and reddit

[tardy nymph]

Thx

[twin rune]

Real, but Thor is not unexplainable lol

[twin rune]

Lol D.V.a Could be a hack ngl

With all the free time she has It would be no wonder how she has a big mansion according to the trailer

[wild fiber]

What if DVAS an omnic and secretly pretending to be human

[peak escarp]

she isn't

we've seen her

[native gulch]

I come back and people still be making shit up

[fossil wren]

To be honest, when that doesn't happen?

[native gulch]

true

they seem to think misinformation is funny

something something I hate liars

[lyric chasm]

D.Va is just skilled

doesn't strike me as the type to hack

she's just good

[peak escarp]

she's good, but she's also toxic

I wonder how many fines she had to pay her org for being toxic in tournaments

[hot cairn]

Dva my goat

She’s too autistic to cheat in video games

[peak escarp]

the only autistic hero is Symmetra

[hot cairn]

But there’s autistic coded characters?

Do you think venture is neurotypical?

[peak escarp]

probably not

[peak escarp]

but there are other flavors of neurodivergent besides autistic

and D.Va doesn't seem neurodivergent to me

[peak escarp]

no

[native gulch]

Ew

[spare fox]

that's just stupid

[native gulch]

Can we get this deleted

[peak escarp]

ask the mods

[lunar dawn]

it gone

[fossil wren]

Part of me is curious about whatever that was, and the other part is happy I didn't see it

[peak escarp]

it was just spam

[proud halo]

the entire roster is autistic

every single one

[dusky reef]

not really autism but i think venture enters on adhd coded character

[hot cairn]

definitely

[languid arrow]

tracer has autism

[proud halo]

she/he/they has everything. not just autism. everything

[merry token]

They just use they/them

Their VA is the one who uses any pronouns

[wild fiber]

What if she’s secretly working with talon and is Moiras sister? Let me cook!

[past copper]

We don’t let nonsense cook

This is lore-discussion

[wild fiber]

I actually have been wondering srsly where are DVAS parents?

Have they ever been mentioned?

[fossil wren]

Can we mark this as shitpost?

[wild fiber]

Apologies

[leaden hornet]

yea dis is a gud point

2 gud at gameing...

mus be an omnic fr fr

[merry token]

Kind of

Pretty sure her dad has been, but I don’t think it’s mentioned if he’s still alive or dead currently

[proud halo]

do not apologize for that awesome lore theory

let them cook

[azure flint]

aqua crumbs please

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-change-spare-some-change-begging-poor-gif-18999842

[pine oak]

Dw he’s coming soon💔💔

[wild fiber]

Thank you

[wild fiber]

We hardly see much of any1s parents in the universe except a select few and it makes me kinda sad honestly

[shell elk]

most died lol

[peak escarp]

only a few heroes are confirmed to be orphans - Mercy, Sombra, Baptiste

we know about several heroes families, and even saw many of them in last year's Christmas comic

[loud marsh]

The lack of motivation for big projects while simultaneously being far too invested in things that are barely inspiring, fits

Gabe lost his parents when he was an adult right?

[peak escarp]

his parents haven't been mentioned

[loud marsh]

If someone loses their parents while adult but young adult, is it considered orphan?

[peak escarp]

I don't think so

[loud marsh]

I thought I read somewhere they passed away

[peak escarp]

ah - Declassified mentions that his parents were killed during the Crisis

[loud marsh]

I didn't remember how, I only remembered they died at some point. Thought they passed away

[worthy rose]

Buff mercy

[loud marsh]

I'm sad Hanzo isn't in the big family table but it makes sense

I just like seeing Hanzo

Hanzo was with Kiri and her mom I believe

[peak escarp]

yes

[loud marsh]

LW with Sym and Zen

[peak escarp]

if Genji invited him, do you think he'd come?

[loud marsh]

Nah he wouldn't

[peak escarp]

he's still wallowing in self pity

[loud marsh]

He doesn't seem like a party person. Or a person

[worthy rose]

No heals for genji

[peak escarp]

here's the page with the non-Overwatch heroes

Mauga with his father and Venture with their abuela

[loud marsh]

I wonder if that's Mauga's dad

Oh so it is

[peak escarp]

I'm pretty sure

[loud marsh]

For once seeing normal sized LW is throwing me off

[peak escarp]

it makes sense

[loud marsh]

Niran why he so tall in game

[peak escarp]

game scale is weird for game balance

hitboxes and whatnot

[loud marsh]

Everyone dressed all nice for Christmas and reaper is just reaper

Is Ramattra looking at where Zen Sym and LW are? It is kind of creepy

Also not sure how Soldier was in contact with Illari or why he's visiting her

[peak escarp]

Sombra sent him

there's a follow-up short story about it

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/short-story/futures-past/

[loud marsh]

Oooooh

I can't stand sombra in game most of the time but I can't help but adore her character

She seems so human, good willed

[peak escarp]

she's a great character in the Lore

[loud marsh]

She cares

She just uses anti-hero/villain ways to care

[peak escarp]

I like to think she knit those socks for Sigma herself

[loud marsh]

I hope what sombra is wearing in the panel can become a skin

Same for venture

It would be nice to have more comic and story references

Like the pyjama mei and dr ziegler

[peak escarp]

yeah

[wild fiber]

Oh

[shell elk]

yeah, lots of ppl died in the first omnic war

Mercy's parents canocically died there

a lot of others too prolly

[green ice]

What are the overwatch characters fighting each other

I understand the lore n stuff

But why are they opposing themselves and siding with themselves in matches

Like it’s not talon vs overwatch

[peak escarp]

the game isn't canon

it's more like playing with action figures

[fossil wren]

A great leader adapts to their team. Not the other way around. - Doomfist

[fossil wren]

But really is just this

[green ice]

Ohhh

[green ice]

Fairs

I’ve seen other games that one party has a goal

That they think is right

And the other party has a goal they think is right

[fossil wren]

No way Pharah father last name is English 😭

[fossil wren]

That would be so cute

[fossil wren]

We need Talon uniform Moira and Heavy Assault Mauga

[grand wedge]

Yes it is, the author that had to find Sam a name did extensive research before naming him… I think it was in a tweet?

[fossil wren]

Sam English 😭

[merry token]

In case anyone wants to read! https://x.com/seananmcguire/status/1723056396638314544?s=46&t=CUX_YIJGrE60CM9k0aYUrA

Seanan McGuire (@seananmcguire)

In prepping for OVERWATCH: DECLASSIFIED, I was given a lot of existing information on characters, and freedom to make up new lore to patch gaps. Ana's ex-husband, Sam, was already existing, but also fell into several gaps.

X · Nov 10, 2023, 7:13 PM

[lyric chasm]

Well it's kinda that, to simplify. It's just that Overwatch gameplay interaction are hypothetical or fictional regarding to the lore.

It's all a conflict of ideologies : OW and Morrison believed in rule of law, BW and Reyes believed in active repression of gangs and criminal activity, at the expense of respecting other countries' sovereignty and even infringing on human rights, Talon under Doomfist's influence believes in conflict as a motor for human progress, Vishkar, Lucheng Interstellar or Moira believe all believe in the end justifying the means when it comes to science and medicine, whereas Mercy believes in strong ethics when it comes to medical advancement. Ram and Null Sector despise humans, humans like the Junkers, Los Muertos, or Freja hate omnics, and other people like Numbani or the Phreaks are a haven to them. Los Muertos and the Phreaks believe in their own justice against a broken system, but by also doing some dubious things (attacking the entire nuclear industries of their country attempting to find a God AI program or by infiltrating a lab and... ingesting mysterious ferro fluids.). Etc. Etc.

Ashe has such a strong sense of family first that she'd kill someone for leaving her gang, and on the other hand characters like Cass and Bap always feel out of place and keep moving factions.

[azure flint]

holy yap

[azure flint]

game isnt canon but just pretend its a training simulation or smth

explains how there can be two of each hero

[past copper]

I wonder… could we possibly get another theme like Starwatch? I think it be awesome to see some heroes who didn’t get anything for that theme get something

For example, Venture, Illari, Juno, and Hazard, could all get alien/space skins

[peak escarp]

they did say they would be interested in revisiting past themes

and we have had heroes get new skins for old themes

like Hanzo's Ultrawatch skin that came out 2 seasons later

and I think some cyberpunk skins came out later

oh and that Pharah skin that matched season 8's theme

[fossil wren]

We need mirrorwatch 2

[azure flint]

real shit

mirrorwatch 2 season would be peak

[spare fox]

We need a lore themed season before another mirrorwatch theme 😭

[azure flint]

with talon winston mythic

[fossil wren]

I'm pretty sure they said Winston would be a Junker in mirrorwatch

Could be wrong

[fossil wren]

Emre release in a lore themed season

[novel beacon]

If a hero got added from a nationality we haven't seen in OW yet, what would you like their lore / powers to encompass?

[past copper]

Here’s a thought if they do a Starwatch 2. Integrate/repaint the Null Sector units into the Infinite Empire

[full mural]

Ghana. We could have a dps with a pump shotgun who's a merc with Talon

Give them a tragic parents backstory

[vivid dove]

Slovakia. Looks like those people in the mountains that take care of sheeps, and has a stick which shoots. Would have good mobility, and they could stun the enemies by hitting them with the stick

[peak escarp]

a Mongolian hero who uses a short bow (faster rate of fire than Hanzo but lower damage/more falloff) and has a pet eagle that attacks as one of her abilities

[digital linden]

i would love that snake omnic one (forgot the name) as a hero

[past copper]

That’s the Stalker

[rigid hedge]

When do we get dvas boyfriend daehyun as support char

[peak escarp]

when he does anything interesting enough to become a hero

[wild fiber]

He’s just a friend to her

[bold fern]

devs almost got aids designing dva

and implementing her in the game

they'll never do it again

[bold fern]

he has a cool mech ig

[fossil wren]

I thought Dae-hyun was just a mechanic

[bold fern]

shit you right mf dosent even have one

[tardy nymph]

Mechs are kinda boring after Dva

Don’t feel like it would lean into an interesting character to just have another mech

Sounds very clone like

[final wedge]

do yuo think they can ad a lore reason for hog bein remoevd from the game

[hushed jetty]

we need archives back for real. not even the missions, just the Holiday of archives

(alternatively, new archives missions? fr?)

[jovial raft]

unless it was completly different, like a healer mech, then i dont think it would work

[tardy nymph]

There’s also the question of the hurtbox gameplay wise

Would they be the equivalent of a support Bastion?

[jovial raft]

omg i was thinking that

[tardy nymph]

Like really high health for a support hero

And would they demech like Dva as well?

[jovial raft]

prob not, btu maybe a junkrat death sort of thing

[tardy nymph]

Oh like a mini self destruct when their mech gets destroyed

Their ult would have to be totally different

[jovial raft]

and maybe they could be resistant to debuffs

[tardy nymph]

That would be interesting

What kind of utility could they have other than healing

[jovial raft]

their ult would be a damage buff def

[tardy nymph]

Mmm

[jovial raft]

i was thinking maybe a ball playstyle or poke

[tardy nymph]

I mean it’s just probably better they give a lore reason to rework Hog lol

[final wedge]

lore reason he gets crucifid

[jovial raft]

omg the mech on the far left could be it and it could shoot a beam out, simular to junos beam but it stays in one spot

and it pulses, and eliminations increase its duration and pulses

idk im getting carried away

😭

oh i meant mech on the right

[opaque hill]

Why is Kiriko extremely younger than Genji or Hanzo, I honestly thought their gap was atleast 2 years or 5 years, I never thought it was nearly 15+ years of an age gap.

Kiriko based on her cinematic, and her interactions with Genji and Hanzo, should be around her late-20’s to her mid-30’s. Why would Genji get a bowl cut for a literal child at his early-twenties 😭.

[fossil wren]

Her listed age is wrong

Kiriko is supposed to be 26 not 21

[jovial raft]

that still means she was like a toddler (2 years old) when genji was 13

[fossil wren]

People misinterpret Kiriko situation too much

Kiriko trained with them when SHE was a child, Genji and Hanzo were already teenagers/young adults by that time

[fossil wren]

They didn't grow up together, Regarding the appearance of Genji and Hanzo in Kiriko origin story, the answer is very simple: Artistic style, Or we can justify it as the perception Kiriko had in her mind of the Shimada brothers

[peak escarp]

adults often do silly things to make a child feel better

[twin rune]

Do you all think there should be more lore behind Echo? She litteraly is just here lol

[peak escarp]

what do you mean

she was Dr. Liao's attempt at perfecting omnics

[twin rune]

Yes, but the omnics are not apart of the computer lady

Lol

Isnt Echo connected to the main computer? Why wouldn't she get the distress call first?

[peak escarp]

what

Echo was in storage when the recall went out

she's not connected to any computer

[shy dagger]

https://x.com/chronofloss/status/1943474485052739742?s=46

Dylan Snyder 💙 (@chronofloss)

X · Jul 11, 2025, 12:56 AM

More lore crumbs

[peak escarp]

?

[past copper]

They’re mistaking her for Athena or something idk

[spare fox]

they gonna post the whole interview on yt or nah?

[shy dagger]

Wrong tweet

https://x.com/owcavalry/status/1943471909116469507?s=46

Overwatch Cavalry (@OWCavalry)

Blizzard aim to get back to the story in #Overwatch2 📚

There were "big plans" tied to the PVE mode, but after its cancellation, the team had to reset and “take a step backward in order to move forward again.”

X · Jul 11, 2025, 12:46 AM

[shy dagger]

Idk

[past copper]

Hope so. I miss fighting these Clankers

[fossil wren]

The fuck

You

Called them

[peak escarp]

they're not going to make more PvE missions

more likely they're pivoting to tell the story in comics and written mediums

[fossil wren]

It's a shame but unfortunately it's the most logical and probable thing that Blizzard will do with the Lore

[blazing fulcrum]

i wouldn't mind more written mediums if they're not smth you have to purchase

i have to wonder how much money they even make off of those books they release anyway

[peak escarp]

so far the only paid lore content are the three novels (Hero of Numbani, Deadlock Rebels, and Overwatch 2: Sojourn), Overwatch Declassified, and the one short story that is exclusive to Heroes Ascendant, "Luck of the Draw"

and the in-game lore content

everything else is free on the website or on youtube

[shy dagger]

https://x.com/owcavalry/status/1943480498296111225?s=46

Overwatch Cavalry (@OWCavalry)

Aaron Keller on #Overwatch2 Animated Shorts 🎞️

He believes that in order for them to say "the game is firing on all cylinders," they need to bring back things like Animated Shorts.

X · Jul 11, 2025, 1:20 AM

This is huge