lore-discussion

[worthy rose]

Ooo

[grand wedge]

Here is the Dokiwatch lore : https://youtu.be/Rwnt3O4cEew

[worthy rose]

I manifested this

[peak escarp]

nice

[flint rivet]

Lore!!! Omg ita beauty

I assume ilarri and live weaver are in there with the demon skins. Junker queen too. I assume.

Doki watch is simultaneously the most cliche thing and adorable at the same time.
Heros of hearts.

[peak escarp]

the demon skins aren't related to dokiwatch

[normal remnant]

was the person carrying dva at the end lw?

he already got two skins this season do we reckon hes getting another

[peak escarp]

him showing up in the comic doesn't mean he'll get a skin for it

particularly since we barely saw any details

[sullen girder]

Honestly wished they’d make a game mode out of it cause honestly this is fire

[kind ore]

I have a headcannon that Cassidy's taste in music lies in the mid-to-late 20th century

Like, he'd hear the music that Lucio and D. Va hear and he'd think, "I'd rather hear Sinatra."

[spare fox]

Nah he's totally into country, folk, old school rhythm and blues

He's got several Blues Brothers references in his voicelines

[fleet scaffold]

I was watching Dokiwatch season 1, and honestly it's not a bad anime. The relationship teased between Brigette and Dva was actually a surprising twist.

Who would have thought that Dva and Brigette were once friends?

Also, I feel kind of worried for our protagonist Juno. Though she has newly joined the Heroes of Heart, I suspect that she might still have some Woe trapped deep within her heart. Maybe caused by trauma or something of a past memory.

The animated fight scenes are top tier though, against the Fiends of Woe, the Heroes of Heart have their own counterpart rivals to match.

I think this could honestly be the anime to get me to start watching magical girl shows, because it's not just your everyday magicial girl show.

[peak escarp]

Hollow Hearts

[fleet scaffold]

Yes, the Hollow Hearts are the big bads, but the Fiends of Woe are like the Hollow Heart's best warriors.

[peak escarp]

[fleet scaffold]

Though I assume a larger game afoot.

Maybe Dva isnt even the very Mastermind at the top of the Hollow Hearts.

But yeah, theory crafting on a possible Juno corruption arc where she becomes Hollow Juno.

That would be fire honestly.

The Dokiwatch finale though.... ngl that was a glorious mastercraft of work.

It makes me think I should definitely be reading the Dokiwatch manga.

Hopefully they adapt more chapters for season 2.

[keen summit]

i heard its sigmas favourite anime, something something doesnt exist

[peak escarp]

the demon skins are not part of Dokiwatch

[fleet scaffold]

A cultured anime enjoyer.

[worthy rose]

Tracer's last name is "Redwood"

[peak escarp]

Tracer's name is Lena Oxton

[lime storm]

Now where the hell did you get that piece of info from partner

[marble charm]

For a moment I was slightly surprised and then I remembered 'Mechanic' and 'Girl with Mech'

Apparently the ship is called Mekanic or something

[keen summit]

its a dumb ship honestly

[fleet scaffold]

It's a ship I dont really understand.

Most popular is the Dva x Lucio ship, which I find more possible.

[lime storm]

Blizzard does also "support" that ship, they do have quite a lot of interactions together

What is the most obscure ship y'all have that is entirely possible but still weird to think about

Mine is Cassidy Baptiste.

[frail snow]

What do you think of my Overwatch Retribution x Stadium theory?

Overwatch Stadium has 17 heroes. 4/17 of the heroes are Reaper, Genji, McCree/Cassidy and Moira. These 4 are the Overwatch Retribution Archives mission hero select characters for the story version of the mission. So if you combine the Archives mission with their Stadium item shops and ability enhancement selections you pretty much have a story version of Retribution “Hero Mission” variant.

Hero missions were going to be “level up your heroes the way you want, play different ways, use different strategies for x boss and y scenario etc” but with ALL heroes. Why not start with story mission heroes and then implement it in retribution all heroes once everyone in stadium has their “talents”. Or in other words, once all heroes in the roster can be played in Stadium.

Then there’s the fact that each Archives mission has an extra area added. They could be used to make the mission longer or as “quest” areas to get extra money or talents to finish the final boss area more easily or something BUT at your own risk since you have to choose how many waves to go through cos if you lose there you lose the mission but if you exit in time before another wave starts you can clear the mission more easily.

Images: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1k6pm2a/i_think_that_if_archives_returns_this_will_happen/

[keen summit]

huh

thats hella random

[spare fox]

meh in the scheme of things, it's not that random especially compared to other ships like at least they've met, get along, and have some things in common

unlike A LOT of other ships lol

[keen summit]

fair

yknow i just dont like that people seem to never just accept that characters can be friends without instantly thinking they want to fuck

[spare fox]

I agree with that

[keen summit]

its my biggest critique of toxic shipping. people attempting to force their headcanon thing of them dating while it seems just friendly stuff

i like shipping when it FITS. when theres actual chemistry there not the typical
enemies to lovers! they hate eachother but its secretly cuz they love eachother bs

[peak escarp]

also Baptiste has canonically shown romantic interest in Cassidy

no word on whether it's reciprocal

[green quail]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-overwatch-2-gif-6466743031700467845

[wild fulcrum]

What if Vishkar's idea of "only specific people being hard light bending prodigies" is completely false and a sort of manipulation tactic to make impoverished employees (like Satya) feel empowered and special?

Its mentioned in syms backstory that only specific people are able to manipulate hardlight

[keen summit]

ngl i think its more that not theyre incapable of it

but they dont allow it, cuz vishkar is about perfection

shaping a "perfect world" those are the types to say "you made a mistake ur not allowed to use it!"

[wild fulcrum]

It was either that or the idea that since everyone had the capability somehow, that its more of a pleasant lie so people dont try to get their hands on it? Because if you know the average person can't wield it, they won't really try to take it/repurpose it. Because we've seen how powerful hardlight can be..

[spare fox]

I think it's still pretty unclear how hardlight manipulation tech is used. I'm torn between thinking it works similarly to how only certain people have the talent and persistence to become quantum physicists or olympic athletes or if it works more like how magic systems work in fiction in that only certain people have the gift to be able to use it... like they are sorcerers but not wizards

if you get the D&D comparison I guess

and if you want to question even deeper, is there a difference between those who simply develop the hard light technology for Vishkar and those who use it to create like the architects?

aerospace engineers vs pilots might be a another analogy - are the Vishkar scientists the equivalent of both?

or are they different specialized roles within the organization

[fossil wren]

is not

baptiste has feelings for cass

[merry token]

In the short story with Baptiste and Pharah he shows interest in Cassidy and asks her if she’s dating him

[keen summit]

oh mb then i forgot bout that

[rare trail]

i think it is true that some are incapable bc otherwise ppl like sanjay would just be not using hardlight for like fun

[bold fern]

@keen summit how on earth does her wings work

is it implemented in her spine

[peak escarp]

they're normally attached to her suit

the skins where her wings are attached to her body are not canon

[bold fern]

does someone have a doctor ziegler pic of her back

[peak escarp]

the skin in game has wings because she needs them

but in the art that accompanied the short story, she didnt have wings with the labcoat

[bold fern]

i see

ty man @peak escarp

[steady frost]

ребятаааа

[lime storm]

Has it been explained as to why the United Nations still view Overwatch being an active organization again as a crime when there's another full blown omnic uprising

Wouldn't they be desperate for help to deal with Null Sector

Like what is the logic of the UN straight up refusing to receive help from Overwatch or operatives associated with Overwatch

[elfin bane]

because the government fucking sucks that’s why

[lime storm]

Never thought Blizzard cared that much for being real life accurate

[fossil wren]

Reaper and Soldier received a lot of interactions in this new season

Ramattra too

[fossil wren]

Venture: ¡Quiúbole, Gabrielito! How's it hangin'?

Reaper: What did you call me?

Venture: "Gabrielito"! That's your nickname, right?

Reaper: (growl) Sombra...

This one is so funny 😭

Sombra going around telling the other heroes the nickname she gave to Reaper

[elfin bane]

LMAO

[fossil wren]

Ramattra: I've heard you "Phreaks" modify my kind. Force us to hide, even among outcasts.

Ramattra: Ravagers come to us for a fresh start. New chassis can go a long way.

Ramattra: Towards what? Assimilation? Subservience?

Hazard: Nah. That's more your deal, I'd wager.

My goat is really traumatized

[normal remnant]

was there any developments with widowmaker's lore concerning the plane ticket and laptop in chateau guillard?

[peak escarp]

it was probably so she could visit Gerard's grave

she travelled under the pseudonym Danielle Guillard

[winter path]

Hey guys anyone know how to get the country flags player icons? I only have the esports country ones not the flag?

[normal remnant]

Is it her that's renovating the home? like I feel there should be some lore here possibly, esp with Moira's voice line suggesting widows up to something

[ripe onyx]

is friquita widow makers lost sister

[worthy rose]

Tracer's parents were apparently killed in a Tsunami, it says that in the game's manual

Tracer, a hero of lasers and teleportation, do you want to hear a fun fact? Tracer used to have parents, they were killed in a tsunami though

[ripe onyx]

lol

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[peak escarp]

making up lore is shitposting and will not be tolerated

[oblique sun]

https://medal.tv/games/overwatch-2/clips/k9UvahWQvOmUyU_cc?invite=cr-MSxvZWUsMjM0NjUxODIy

[fossil wren]

Do we even have a game manual? Besides, the way he wrote it is so damn informal, That's not a fucking fun fact it would be important character information

😭

[foggy lintel]

wait actually what

[normal remnant]

her parents arent dead guys 😭

[past copper]

You know, it’s times like this I’d like to see something like team highlight POTG

Not for everything tho. Just like for a full skin set like this

Or if people played a whole Overwatch or Talon team ya know?

Would also have been cool to get something like that for the Null Sector skins and the Mirrorwatch skins

[merry token]

Kind of like Mister Fantastic and Invisible Woman’s matching wedding skin MVP animation?

It’s the same pose at the end (with both of them) but it highlights the character it’s for at the beginning

[halcyon nest]

Is there a reason Freja is hunting all these bounties or she just wants to get her money up?

[fossil wren]

It's her job

After the fall of Overwatch, all the jobs she applied for rejected her

Her only option was to become a bounty hunter

[halcyon nest]

So it is because she wants to get her money up

[worthy rose]

Shut up, child.

[peak escarp]

I am a moderator.

[wintry sphinx]

I think ashe is from the western part of america and she killed her parents for abusing her but soldier 76 saved her and thats why they date and have a kid together called rheinheart

[dusk swallow]

bro you could not be more wrong

how long have you been playing this game

[wintry sphinx]

Didnt mean to offend

[dusk swallow]

I think it was ashe and cassidy who dated in the western part of america

but i dont think they have a kid

but maybe echo is related to them?

[wintry sphinx]

dont make up lore kid

[dusk swallow]

i've seen the cinematic where cassidy finds this robot and she's in the game now

[wintry sphinx]

<@&397922982632226816>

[dusk swallow]

i wasn't making up lore.

you were

im trying to correct you

[wintry sphinx]

<@&397922982632226816> making up lore

[dusk swallow]

stop spam pinging the mods

theyre busy

theyve got lives

[spiral venture]

[jaunty raptor]

This is not a rule break for starters, secondly do not repeatedly ping us please

[wintry sphinx]

I didnt

[dusk swallow]

bruh i told you peter

[wintry sphinx]

@jaunty raptor I am really sorry

I am new

I didnt realise

[jaunty raptor]

If you have problems In future please dm <@&264402806314631168>

@sullen pagoda

[dusk swallow]

what do they do

[jaunty raptor]

Shush wie 😭

[dusk swallow]

modmail

[wintry sphinx]

i have been locked from channel eu14 not sure why

[dusk swallow]

sounds cool

nah its ok theyre try hards

sucks theyre mysojinist

[wintry sphinx]

How to send modmail

[jaunty raptor]

You dm it

[wintry sphinx]

Can I question my note and locked channel?

[dusk swallow]

i think you dm @sullen pagoda

i think thats what the mods are saying

[jaunty raptor]

Yes, Dming our bot opens up a thread for moderators to assist you

[wintry sphinx]

I have done so thank you 🙂

[elfin bane]

holy

that was an interesting channel read lmao

[fossil wren]

What did I miss?

[elfin bane]

some guy said something that about ashe cassidy and echo (it was mostly true) and another guy @ed the mods to get them to stop(?) him from making up lore and the mods told the reporter to use mod mail and the repoter was not understanding it and it was re clarified like 5 times lol

[fossil wren]

Average lore shenanigans

[sudden dagger]

all of you pmo

[merry mason]

Are we gonna ignore how the guy was making up lore before he @‘ed the mods because the other guy was making up lore

[peak escarp]

everyone needs to stop making up lore

it's shitposting

[normal remnant]

yeah i think we should all talk about widowmaker's lore

anyone got any fun facts

[peak escarp]

her maiden name is Guillard

she was a ballerina before being kidnapped and turned into a sleeper agent by Talon to kill her husband

[normal remnant]

omg yes i love how perfectly her lore aligns with Swan Lake!

[peak escarp]

definitely inspired by, yeah

[normal remnant]

yk that song that plays when tracer rewinds? is there any lore reason behind it?

[azure flint]

what song

[normal remnant]

the sound that plays when she recalls if u reverse it and slow it a bit is a song

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/tracers-recall-song-original-version-found/919107

[azure flint]

no idea since i just learned about that from that link

thats odd

[normal remnant]

cool little thingy to have in there tho

maybe there's no lore reason

i saw someone say maybe (since its a bunch of different samples) its songs that were playing in the cockpit of the slipstream jet before it broke?

[swift cove]

I've never seen that before it's so cool

[peak escarp]

I don't think that music has any lore connection

[spare fox]

Oh wow that is interesting! I never knew it was a music track

I wonder if it's related to the music Sigma heard, some kind of quantum phenomenon or illusion that occurs on the proximity of or between reality

[normal remnant]

oooh thats really interesting, idk anything abt sigma's lore can someone tell me about this?

[elfin bane]

he was smart gravity scientist and then he made black hole on accident and it made him crazy and gave him gravity powers and then talon took advantage of his mind to use him for evil but sombra dosent like how they manipulate him

is my understanding i’m sure there’s more

does any one know

juno’s hair isn’t natural right

she got a funky dye job

[spare fox]

I think it's black but they stylized it as purple to fit

The same way Winston is purple

[normal remnant]

whats up with his connection with music and reality?

[elfin bane]

what since when

huh oh i guess it is kinda purply

widows too then i bet

[spare fox]

Yeah probably like as sci-fantasy turning purple is, it doesn't make much sense for her hair to turn purple too

So probably?

It's pretty common to use dark purple or blue in place of black as a stylistic choice and/or if black won't render or "translate" well in the media

[past copper]

We got more on the way folks

Ngl, I find Juno’s cute

Also got more survey skins

[fallow mantle]

Ikr but in her comic she's got that colour as a baby

/Toddler

[elfin bane]

yea

like the underside of her hair is dyed bright pink

[elfin bane]

same i can’t wait to get it

prolly my favorite cardboard skin

[past copper]

My favorite is still the Reaper one, but seeing my main Junkrat get one is fun too

[spare fox]

the Junkrat one! I would use that but I don't like how those cardboard skins sound lol

[past copper]

Still, I’m waiting for these. I mean DAMN! Those skins rock!

[elfin bane]

did anyone else notice they didn’t draw juno’s head for that one it’s just her 3d model

[spare fox]

it might just depend on the designer of the skin's mock-up

[past copper]

I mean… it’s a survey skin. I don’t necessarily think it matters or it’s to give reference for her head

[elfin bane]

yea i dont see a problem with it but its just weird cuz they drew her head for her other survey skin

actually it might not be her model i can’t tell

but it’s a slightly different style

[past copper]

Hmm. You know those metal skins, I wonder if those are the four horsemen of the apocalypse

[elfin bane]

hmm

cassidy is famine i’m guessing because the cow skull or am i looking at the wrong set

[past copper]

Maybe. I chalked it up to Genji as War, Cole as Famine, Sombra as Pestilence, and Pharah as Death

[spare fox]

sombra is a pest...

[opaque tundra]

We don’t really know yet but she was a child during the crisis so trauma may or may not play a part in it

[spare fox]

it's the in-universe racism

"bot" is a slur against omnics, but is used as a non-slur for actual robots that are non-sentient (like the pushbot)

it's basically calling omnics less than what they are, which are beings with rights, feelings, and sentience

[past copper]

Just a thought. I know October a long ways away, but I see already what the theme will be

We had a whole witch theme, so naturally, our next monster theme will be… vampires

And what’s a vampire without… the vampire hunters

[echo robin]

Gang so like since overwatch 2 is set in the future (2088 I think) and sigma is 64 and so that means he was born in 2013. Which caused him to be a gen alpha which is why his name is sigma.

[cerulean falcon]

how is widow alive if she has heart problems

[grand wedge]

She doesn’t have heart condition

Her heart is slow on purpose

[cerulean falcon]

isn’t she purple cause of her heart?

[grand wedge]

Yes

[cerulean falcon]

okay

but why is it slowed

[grand wedge]

To make her a better sniper, mostly

And also so she would not feel emotions (don’t ask me how, it’s sci-fi)

[cerulean falcon]

that’s in the brain not the heart

but okay

ty

[grand wedge]

They do mess with the brain within Overwatch universe

sojourn has brain implants

[cerulean falcon]

sombra to

[grand wedge]

Yeah

I don’t remember what widow biography says, but you can check on the official website

[cerulean falcon]

what did they modify on winton

[cerulean falcon]

i will

[grand wedge]

It was DNA stuff mostly, but he does have something on his head (and Hammond too) so they also probably mess with his brain or something

[cerulean falcon]

so everyone has a brain implant

[grand wedge]

No not everyone

[cerulean falcon]

Tracer?

[grand wedge]

No

[cerulean falcon]

well lots of people

i’m gonna have to watch a lore video

so i won’t dump all my questions on you

[grand wedge]

The only ones I can think of is Sojourn, Sigma, Sombra, probably Winston. Maybe Doom?

[cerulean falcon]

does sigma need one to stay sane?

[grand wedge]

I think that’s how they brought him back from the prison of his mind yeah

[cerulean falcon]

okay

[grand wedge]

But I could be wrong, but it looks likely

[cerulean falcon]

and sombra has one why?

is she a leader of talon?

[grand wedge]

Because she turned her whole body into a non hackable computer

No, Doomfist is

[cerulean falcon]

gameplay doesn’t say so lol

now why would they let a bunch of terrorist join overwatch

[grand wedge]

Gameplay isn’t lore, or Pharah, Écho, Dva and Mercy would fly forever x)

[cerulean falcon]

yeah i’m know

i was just kidding

[grand wedge]

What bunch of terrorist are you referring to?

[odd estuary]

is mauga big because of his two hearts

[cerulean falcon]

isn’t talon a terrorist group?

[grand wedge]

Yes

[cerulean falcon]

i’m referring to talon

like sombra, widow and doom

[grand wedge]

Talon are not Overwatch

They are two different groups

[cerulean falcon]

but they are in overwatch

[grand wedge]

Overwatch the game is different from Overwatch the organization

[cerulean falcon]

i mean the organization

the organization saves people if i am correct

[grand wedge]

You said « now why would they let a bunch of terrorist join overwatch »

[cerulean falcon]

i did

[grand wedge]

I do not understand what you are trying to say

But yes, Overwatch are trying to help as many as they can right now .

[cerulean falcon]

if talon are the bad guys and overwatch is the good guys why would they let the bad guys join the good guys

[grand wedge]

Because the bad guy don’t join the good guys

The only ex talon agent that joined OW is Baptiste.

[cerulean falcon]

okay

i was confusing the game and the lore

[grand wedge]

Yeah, gameplay isn’t canon to the lore.

[cerulean falcon]

yeah i was confused why she was in the game if she is a terrorist

but game isn’t cannon

[grand wedge]

That’s why you can group with characters that hate each other or are enemies, yes

[cerulean falcon]

like ana and widow

okay

[grand wedge]

Yup

[cerulean falcon]

speaking about ana

how did she lose her eye

just during war

[grand wedge]

The first time?

[cerulean falcon]

or something in particular

[cerulean falcon]

it happened more than once?

oh

[grand wedge]

It was a army body mod

[cerulean falcon]

i thought she only had one eye

[grand wedge]

She had a cybernetic one during the war, until Widow shot her cybernetic eye. She chose not to replace it after

[cerulean falcon]

that makes since

so she replaced her real eye with a cybernetic eye but she lost that one too

[grand wedge]

Correct.

[cerulean falcon]

does her younger skin have the cybernetic eye?

[grand wedge]

She has both eyes, but I don’t think you can tell the difference

[cerulean falcon]

yeah

[cerulean falcon]

does sombra have family?

[peak escarp]

Sombra is an orphan

she lost her family in the crisis

[past copper]

So what do people think of the next hero coming? Aqua?

Not gonna lie, looking at some details, I wonder if he’s another Vishkar hero

[fossil wren]

Personally I think he is part of The Collective

Like weaver

[peak escarp]

he doesn't look like a Vishkar member

[past copper]

He does have a glove of sorts that looks similar to Lifeweaver’s tho

[peak escarp]

I think he's independent, not tied to any known group

[sullen girder]

I know this is unrelated but How would you feel if Ashe had dokiwatch skin? Bob would definitely be the familiar but what animal would he be? (Incase they want to continue with dokiwatch)

[rare trail]

i thought lifeweavers was a prosthetic like syms not a glove

[past copper]

Pretty sure Lifeweaver’s is a gauntlet. If I remember… it’s so hard to tell when some tech looks like it’s the same shape as wearer’s body

It’s kinda like how Tony somehow has a number of weapons and tech built into his Ironman suits

[potent briar]

I fr thought it was a prosthesis

[rare trail]

i think syms is confirmed to be prosthesis but im not sure if hes the same

[normal remnant]

i think sym's is a prosthetic because the only sprays of her without it is her as a kid

lw doesnt have his in his rhythmic gymnastics spray so ig its a gauntlet

[rare trail]

its like

inconsistent kinda

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/lifeweaver/

as a kid he has it but as an adult he appears to not but also doom has really realistic arm prothetics

[normal remnant]

i'd assume lw can take his off if hes shown with it both on and off, right?

on sym's vishkar skin it looks like a glove tho because u can see her fingers, which you cant see now

on her more recent skins yk

then against there's also a spray of her mechanical-looking arm just called "glove"

[oak trellis]

100 regular men vs winston who is winning

[loud marsh]

I'd look at the comics and see if they're wearing anything in private settings

[peak escarp]

Lifeweaver hasn't shown up much in the comics

he has both hands in "Together"

so his is a gauntlet

Satya's is a prosthetic

it's not known why hers is a prosthetic

[past copper]

It might be that she probably either lost hers and it was replaced courtesy of Vishkar

Or Lifeweaver’s rich family had a hand in him not having to lose his

Regardless, it’s that which leads me to believe Aqua could be another Vishkar architect of sorts

If Lifeweaver can create biolight plants out of hardlight, who says someone can’t do the same with water?

Not only that. It’s not like we know everything about Vishkar’s architects, but I highly doubt they all do the same thing

[normal remnant]

Does Moira have a reason as to why she's such a bad person or is she just like that

[loud marsh]

I think it's her life long hyperfixation

Unironially

[peak escarp]

she just doesn't care about people

she cares about science and results

[peak escarp]

maybe

but it's hard to say without seeing more Vishkar architechs

[velvet stirrup]

the progress of all humanity comes before the suffering of a select few

[vapid tusk]

been a while fellas

[vapid tusk]

as well as in the origin story the part where it shows him in nature he has two natural hands

i find it mildy cute how symm hates her vishkar uniform and prefer wearing dresses

[bitter moat]

@drifting beacon

[halcyon ore]

LW talk !

where do you find these comics btw

[halcyon ore]

She just wants the world to prosper ngl

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/

[halcyon ore]

thanks pooki

[merry token]

Happy birthday to Lifeweaver

[frail snow]

How would you feel if the Iris got added as a playable map ingame? (Found this super detailed official artwork of the location and had to share) https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/086/751/031/large/ava-crutchley-irisroom-sheet.jpg?1743996447

Zoom in to look at where the lines are pointing to grasp the location scale. There's even a soldier 76 to show how big it would be

[velvet stirrup]

100% widow ban rate on that

also that looks the same area zen was at at in the last pve cutscene so nonzero chance parts of it get remade into a pvp map at some point

[azure flint]

it would be peak

but that was prob part of the pve

[marble charm]

Looks awesome but the bridge would be cancer

[spare fox]

And now they're going to focus on this mobile moba game sighhhh

[little chasm]

Wifeleaver had birthday yesterday?

[worthy rose]

So?

That doesn't make you better than me

[loud marsh]

Are you attempting to troll?

I can guarantee that trolling moderators is not going to end well

[worthy vault]

Do they still make lore?

[opaque tundra]

For new heroes, yeah. The lore for the main plot is in limbo right now

[worthy rose]

Moderators don't deserve any respect, they've done nothing to earn it

[strange ingot]

They do earn respect tbf💀

I mean ur opinion or whatever but

[worthy rose]

um

pretend i was never in this server

[strange ingot]

[merry token]

Yeah

[cerulean falcon]

what is lucio relationship with sombra

[twilit patrol]

I don't think they've met

[flint rivet]

I figured lucio's dad was trying to uncover that big conspiracy that Sombrero is looking into

[grand wedge]

Benicio is « just » the inventor of the tech Lucio is using, tech he created while at Vishkar, so Vishkar wanted to gatekeep it.
As far as we know, he isn’t trying to uncover anything

[merry mason]

Nah they’ll outsource it to some Korean company

[velvet stirrup]

surely the lijang interstellar thing will go somewhere some day

[spare forge]

what happened to juno parents ?

[twilit patrol]

They're remaining on Mars

[spare forge]

didnt thy died ?

[twilit patrol]

No

[elfin bane]

yes doki watch is a different universe

there is not a magical girl group and evil dva in the main universe

[elfin bane]

sorry did that sound rude you didn’t have to delete your message

[rare cairn]

whens pve comin back with ram as a boss, whens ram getting more animations / skins, and when is ram getting a mythic

[spare forge]

no i didnt mean that you are rude but i wasnt sure about my spelling

[normal remnant]

Hey I asked my dad about some of the science behind how some of ow's characters work and took some notes that I'm planning on putting on a doc so I can send it here for anyone interested! So far I've asked about tracer, sombra and a little about widowmaker (tho I plan to ask more about her when he's not sick of me) you can def lmk if u want me to ask him about anyone else 💖

[azure linden]

Can someone update me with the lore now. Kinda lost after OW1 lore

[cunning bane]

Who's your dad and why does he know so much lol

[normal remnant]

he's some kinda engineer and a major scifi geek

all he knows abt ow is what ive told him so hopefully it'll all make sense

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZSILwNzPCafwo1kZNtFeOh9uF9m-7kacnAabUxSUZ-8/edit?usp=sharing

here u guys go

just lmk if ur interested in any other characters i can def ask him

[opaque tundra]

It’s too much for a summary. The database should be linked in pins. Going through that chronologically is the easiest option

[leaden hornet]

very gud

i enjoy reading

can u asks about reaper

[peak escarp]

pretty good, except the part about Sombra manipulating brain waves

she can't actually hack people in the lore

[normal remnant]

I see

[normal remnant]

I'll give it a go, I'm not sure much he'll know about genetic modification

[leaden hornet]

got it thx

[normal remnant]

I'll see what he says 👀

[leaden hornet]

look forward 2 et

[fossil wren]

Soon my brother in ram

[rare cairn]

whats up with that

[rare cairn]

OMG A FELLOW RAM LOVER

[peak escarp]

what do you mean?

[rare cairn]

her hackin ppl

dont make sense

[peak escarp]

she can in the game because it's a gameplay mechanic

in the lore, she can only hack computers/things with computers in them

[rare cairn]

why should her tapping buttons on a keyboard stop junkrat from throwing something

[peak escarp]

there's a few abilities that work in the game but don't work in the lore

or work differently in the lore

Mercy can't raise the dead, Cassidy doesn't glow when he shoots good, D.Va can't blow up her mech any time she wants

[fossil wren]

You are not denying that the tumbleweed appears

[peak escarp]

there was one in Reunion, so...

[fossil wren]

Lmao

[spare fox]

Echo: where did that tumbleweed come from?

[fossil wren]

Echo asking the real questions

[loud marsh]

Gave it a look and it seems not bad

I wonder what it would be like to ask a doctor/geneticist about Reaper or Moira

[normal remnant]

I'm not totally all clued up on reaper, if anyone can give me what exactly I should ask id appreciate it 😁

[elfin bane]

i think something about his cells all trying to rip themselves apart but moral did something to stop it/ let him control it a bit but he’s still in pain all the time

correct me if i’m wrong

[normal remnant]

Was that in the explosion? His cells trying to rip apart? (You can tell I got none of the science gene lol)

[peak escarp]

he was almost killed in the explosion

Moira got to him and dosed him with more of whatever allowed him to turn into smoke, now it's happening constantly and he can barely hold it together

[normal remnant]

Ohh his cells are trying to rip apart constantly?

[fossil wren]

That was fast

[shy dagger]

How long did Overwatch as organization last for

[twilit patrol]

22 years ?

[rare cairn]

ooooooo

[cerulean falcon]

why does tracer have to constantly blink?

[cedar shuttle]

If she doesn't her eyes get dry

[cerulean falcon]

lmao

[cerulean falcon]

but like fr tho why does she need to keep teleporting

[elfin bane]

i didn’t think she had to? what made you ask

i think she just does it a lot because it’s a convenient power to have

[cerulean falcon]

thats fair

[rare trail]

she dont gotta

she takes off the anchor somtimes

like shes gotta shower and sleep and stuff

[peak escarp]

she just has to be near the anchor

[shy dagger]

So 30 years? Interesting thanks

[peak escarp]

Overwatch was active for 21 years (from the omnic crisis 28 years ago to the Petras Act 7 years ago)

Reyes was the commander during the crisis, then Morrison got the job for the next 19 years

[velvet stirrup]

has anything been mentioned about lucheng interstellar other than the juno and reaper match start voicelines and juno's comic

[peak escarp]

they're also the ones operating Horizon Lunar Colony

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/20812209/new-details-emerge-about-possible-fate-of-horizon-lunar-colony

[velvet stirrup]

ooo thank you

[fossil wren]

I'm surprised there are still people operating that

[marble charm]

Eh it makes sense

You have people living on mars

[fossil wren]

The apes hadn't rebelled?

[marble charm]

And lots of money would have already been poured into it

Having a "resupply" stop inbetween earth and Mars is probably pretty helpful

(That said junos starship did seem like.... suuuper high tech)

[velvet stirrup]

Yet

[flint rivet]

Isn't there..like a dust storm tearing people away though? Like..Juno doesn't want to to face the idea but she was basically superman sent away from mars/krypton to earth. Best I remember.

[grand wedge]

The apes that rebelled are on the moon, not on mars. They are still there and still rogue.

And for Mars : it is unlikely terrans knew about it until Juno landed/crashed on Dorado. The mission was a secret from Luncheng iirc?

[peak escarp]

yes, it was a secret to the public

[slow nymph]

so like who wins in a fight 1000 doomfists or 1 of every basic pokemon

[distant python]

Hi good afternoon, I would like to know if someone is having the same problem as mine and how can I solve it, in the new stadium mode I am not able to play with my friend who plays on ps4 can someone tell me why this ?

[fallow mantle]

Crossplay for stadium is coming next season or the one after, can't remember which

[distant python]

Thank you for the answer they told me that in the chat above but still thank you very much

[fallow mantle]

❤️

[fringe robin]

check out this rage hascker on soldier ZTAG4N

[normal remnant]

this is real interesting lore guys

[elfin bane]

please stop posting in the wrong channel

i keeping opening this thinking i’m about to learn some lore and it’s just random people saying random stuff lmao

[worthy rose]

I’m currently playing minecaft

[slow nymph]

did you know

that doomfist 1v4ed

nah fr tho like where tf is the lore at now

[normal remnant]

if u ever wanna chat lore im always okay to be @'d! <3

on the lore line of talk, does anyone know anything much about emily?

ive never really seen much about her, she kinda feels like a very 2d character compared to how fleshed out the others are

[rare trail]

1v4ed and lost tho.

,,

wait was it four

i thought it was 3

[slow nymph]

i think it was 4

genji

tracer

winton

uhh

i might have been 3

[rare trail]

four sounds so correct

lemme double chek

nah its 3

totally understand the mistake tho i wouldve said 4 if i didnt check

[rare cairn]

@fossil wren I BOUGHT THE EPYON SKINNNNN WITH GALACTIC WEAPOOONNNN

[fast jetty]

nothing to do with lore

[spare fox]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[normal remnant]

guyss

lets go back to lore

someone gotta tell me about emily 🙏

[peak escarp]

Emily is Tracer's girlfriend

that's all we know about her

based on the voice lines from Storm Rising, they've been dating for at least 7 years

[rare cairn]

oop mb

wait so dokiwatch is like a seperate universe or is it part of the main lore

cuz im confuzzled

[fallow mantle]

Separate

[spare fox]

yeah basically all the "themes" are AUs so far

[rare trail]

the dnd season was canon afaik?

[spare fox]

ummm canon as in it was the OW characters playing a ttrpg together I think?

[rare trail]

yeye

[spare fox]

oh and that's another thing about Emily - she's a DM

love it

[peak escarp]

shame we never got her voice

[spare fox]

maybe one day

[normal remnant]

tyty guys

[spare fox]

the most recent christmas comic gives me hope that IF they ever decide to do anything bigger with the lore, that they will also include little slice of life reprieves like that here and there

[normal remnant]

give emily personality!!!!!!!

whats your guys' fav comic

i think mine is the london calling ones

[spare fox]

def the New Blood chapters

both the writing and the art style were great

[shy dagger]

Does she even have a vc? lol

[shy dagger]

Nvm

[peak escarp]

no but they could have given her one for the Questwatch event

Iggy got one for Underworld

[shy dagger]

That’s the medieval season theme right?

[shy dagger]

Who’s Iggy

[peak escarp]

she's the omnic Tracer made friends with in London Calling

[shy dagger]

Ah

[novel grove]

huh

[lime flax]

So do we know where the Redwood Dam map in Stadium is actually located or is it now the only location we don’t have any lore about? (i’m not counting the custom games maps)

[elfin bane]

i was gonna ask

[peak escarp]

its location is unknown, but based on the name I could guess California

[floral chasm]

is sombra supposed to be a villain or do i just assume she is because she stands near them? her actions are pretty heroic tbh

[grand wedge]

Redwood Dam is most likely near Vancouver (because that’s where they were big floods and Overwatch built some structure to contain it.)

[vivid dove]

Hello

Question

In the invasion thingy

Did Widowmaker kill Zenyatta in the end?

[past copper]

We don't know but given the behind the scenes years ago no

[vivid dove]

Phew

[full charm]

I wonder if cass and freja ever met eachother while bounty hunting

I doubt it would've been a nice meeting tho

[lost siren]

Great question! For some reason I doubt it being they're both alive🤷 either Cass kills Freya. Freya kills Cass. Or ash kills Freya

[fossil wren]

Cass is not the most appropriate person to talk about morality, He was part of Blackwatch after all

[spare fox]

Probably not as redwood/Sequoia are only in northern California and a little bit in southern Oregon

[marble charm]

I hate when people I have friend3d on Xbox join my party

Please stop just joining my party

Wrong channel my bad

[fallow mantle]

I'm in England, and we have some redwoods here. They were brought over. So they can be in other places, without being native...Redwood dam is def not England though lol was just saying they're not only in california and oregon Google told me they're also in Vancouver so that's not a bad suggestion, but would def love to know about the location

I'd love to see more...diverse maps from countries we've already got. Like...we're getting that Tokyo map, but our three Japan maps are all very similar, and in close proximity to Tokyo AFAIK?

Tokyo does look a little bit visually different from the three Japan maps we've already got, at least from the concept art they briefly showed. Would love to see...something else, though. All very same-y

Give me another Watchpoint tbh. Let me see how different but familiar it is to Gibraltar and Samoa volcano

Wow wtf. I didn't know the numbers were that huge, lol. The UK has half a million redwoods, California has about 80,000

That's crazy

[grand wedge]

Global warming?

It would make more sense for it to be farther north, but the devs are kinda famous for forgetting their own lore, and maybe one of them is a fan of hiking and thought it would be cool to make a dam in a sequoia forest

[dreamy seal]

In lore, Who is like the strongest character to exist?

[floral mortar]

Idk maby sigma or something... Considering he's dealing with entire black holes, so.

[marble charm]

In theory Sigma is very powerful

But from rhe content alone the top 3 we've actually seen is Orisa, Doomfist, and Winston

In that order

Pretty sure we see Winston and Doom go hand to hand where Doom comes out on top

And we've seen Orisa defeat Doom

[sudden dagger]

sigma is the strongest

doomfish has the strongest weapon

[cedar shuttle]

Yeah Sig could be the strongest but he just doesn't have the awareness anymore

He's like a toddler with a nuclear bomb

[marble charm]

Yea

Coughing baby WITH hydrogen bomb

[cedar shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-ashh-baby-ia-gif-16729153814109504694

I think theres a big difference between most impactful and most powerful,

Like, ramatra is undoubtedly the most impactful but he's weak as fuck, he needs an army of brainless drones or he can't do anything

[sudden dagger]

yeah

doomfist is the most powerful

sigma is the strongest but easily manipulated

[marble charm]

But Orisa defeats Doom in a comic

[sudden dagger]

there are 3 doomfists

and also orisa was built to fight that doomfist specifically

when blizzard released orisa her kit was mainly focused to be a doom counter lol

also she wasnt fighting alone

it was efi and lucio and orisa vs doomfist im pretty sure

well technically efi doesnt count

its orisa and lucio vs doom

[peak escarp]

Winston has also defeated Doomfist

[marble charm]

Yea

The goats

[peak escarp]

Winston also has plot armor and is the main character

[marble charm]

Ssshh

[sudden dagger]

yes but hes monkey

[cedar shuttle]

Yes, this means universal power scake

[sudden dagger]

so true

[fallow mantle]

LMAO

hey guys who do you think is going to win on the stream?

the 100 soldiers or the 1 winston

[spare fox]

Yeah no clue what they're going to do for that stream but I imagine they're going to do some kind of modification for the lulz

Like make Winston a huge boss or something

That does 200+ dmg when he lands/melee

I imagine it's going to also be a lot of the content creators and devs joking around

[normal remnant]

heyy guys

who's ur fav unplayable character

[peak escarp]

Susie

[fossil wren]

Harold Winston

Or mondatta

[rare trail]

maximilean :)

[worthy vault]

B.O.B

[lone summit]

Rammatra is mad at humans because some of them hate omnics because of the omnic crisis and then Rammatra proceeds to REPEAT the same thing that made humans hate them in the first place

Make it make sense

[fossil wren]

Humans still hate omnics even after the crisis

[lone summit]

I wonder why

[fossil wren]

They are either enslaved or forced to live in the darkness

[lone summit]

I get that
But Ram isnt really helping much by commiting acts of terrorism and mass murder

[fossil wren]

Ramattra tried to change this through diplomatic and a more peaceful approach with the Shambali monks, however he saw no progress in that way

Eventually Ramattra came to the conclusion that coexistence with humanity was not possible and the omnics would have to see for themselves if they wanted to survive, He leaved the Shambalis and form Null Sector

[lone summit]

And so he tries to kill everyone?

[fossil wren]

Ramattra doesnt want to cause a genocide or exterminate humanity, He doesn't necessarily hate humans (There is a general misunderstanding about Ramattra believing that he is racist against humanity) Null Sector wants to create an omnic nation

[lone summit]

And in trying to do so, he gives people more of a reason to hate omnics

[opaque tundra]

Yes that is the fatal flaw in Ramattra’s strategy

He’s a hypocrite

[fossil wren]

Ramattra is a hypocrite, that's true, however we can't really blame him for his way of thinking, He more than anyone has experienced the hatred of humanity

He tried to believe in coexistence, but eventually the lack of action of the Shambali Monks and what he saw during his travels as a wandering monk were what ended up turning him into the extremist that he is now

[serene lark]

He actually does hate humans tho I thought, he just doesn’t interact with many. He hates them and wants to create a utopia for just omnics

[opaque tundra]

My biggest gripe with Ramattra’s interactions is that they’re mostly political arguments rather than exploring more of his personality

We still get that characterization, obviously, but we need the other sides of him

Like he’s best friends with Zenyatta for a reason. I want to see why, not be told that they are

They also just casually drop big Ramattra lore drops in interactions that many players will probably never hear or even know about so

Poor Ram needs some work lol

[cedar shuttle]

Yeah ram is blizzards shitty way of making a 'compelling villain' by just making a complete hypocrite

'i hate omnic slavery and anti-omnic prejudice!!'

• Repeats the thing that makes people hate omnics and enslaves omnics who don't agree with him *

[opaque tundra]

First of all, we don’t actually know if the hats are for mind control/slavery

Second of all, a hypocrite is compelling because it’s some juicy potential for juicy character angst and development

And it’s a lot more exciting then, I’m evil

Third of all, I suspect there might have been some tug of war with the writers on where to take Ram’s character

It’s possible his motive/subjugation was written first and his sympathy and trauma was written by the new writers afterwards

So there’s a disconnect that’s unavoidable

Fourthly, it’s still too early to fully judge Ram’s effectiveness as a villain

Please don’t jump to conclusions

Writing is very very messy

Especially with multiple changing writers and new ideas

[leaden hornet]

dey shuld make ram a good guy

he sem like a good person jus misunderstood

[opaque tundra]

That’s probably the plan. There was an interview article when Ram was first released where a writer said that players should think of him as an “antagonist”

I think it was a Polygon article? Not sure

[leaden hornet]

https://www.polygon.com/23346023/overwatch-2-ramattra-interview-story-narrative

dis what u talken bout?

[opaque tundra]

Yes that one

Thanks

[leaden hornet]

np

[velvet stirrup]

seems like its set up with mondatta being his breaking point and that being done by talon

[fossil wren]

Ramattra hated Mondatta

He probabaly doesn't care about he being killed

[velvet stirrup]

where is this said? i could have sworn it was as i said

[fossil wren]

My eyes fell again to the words scrolling beneath his image.
null sector ringleader killed during power plant firefight.
Fury descended. I remembered omnics sitting meekly in their cells, waiting for freedom. The vast rolling scrapyards of the dead.
And now, Mondatta dishonoring Lanet, who died fighting to free her people.```

[velvet stirrup]

alright i guess i need to read that story again i dont know how i managed to hallucinate that badly thank you

[fallow mantle]

And skins... That aren't collab ones...

[shadow thicket]

And a dance emote

[fallow mantle]

Truth

[full charm]

What causes mauga to be so sadistic

I feel like there is no other character in the game that shares his love for violence and blood the way he does

[grand wedge]

That’s his whole personality I think.
His parents were eco-terrorists, and per his biography, Mauga « learned from an early age that charisma opens doors and destruction gets answers ».

[normal remnant]

does anyone know if tracer's callsign was given to her inthe RAF or when she joined overwatch?

like its on her bomber jacket that looks like its an RAF jacket, but some voice lines like the one where she says she got lucky they didnt call her zippy kinda seem like she was getting a callsign after her whole chronal thing

[whole whale]

um am new to ow lore , what are Kirkos powers, also

illaris powers

[elfin bane]

illari was part of a civilization where they used a technology called solar lacing where they sorta imbued themselves with the power of the sun. illari was a child prodigy and when she got to her solar lacing ceremony she was too powerfull and exploded killing everyone in her village

[grand wedge]

She didn’t killed her village, only all the Inti warriors that were all gather for the ceremony

[elfin bane]

oh really

i thought it was everyone

i guess that makes sense since her llama didn’t die

[cerulean falcon]

who is amari

[digital linden]

ana, her full name is ana amari

[cerulean falcon]

oh

okay ty

[mighty wing]

is there a lore reason why widowmaker bought hair dye and changed her name to freja? is she stupid?

[hasty niche]

then painted freckles and a tattoo on her face using crayons

[mighty wing]

is her real name freja and her codename is john widowmaker?

why is every member of talon a minority? Are overwatch racist?

An elderly man who is insane, a black man, 2 mexicans, a blue woman

is there a lore reason why winston was taught racism on lunar colony to discriminate against talon

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[rare trail]

overwatch is a very diverse game, theres lots of poc and minorities in every group

[peak escarp]

also you forgot about Moira

[rare trail]

up!

[elfin bane]

red heads are a minority

technically

[peak escarp]

also Reaper isn't Mexican

he's American

[mighty wing]

reaper is hispanic umm actually

[peak escarp]

he's still American, not Mexican

[rare trail]

not in the context they mean though

[elfin bane]

i see

[rare trail]

like women are broadly considered minorities despite being around half of the population

its moreso about like societal power and oppression than the literal meaning of minority

[mighty wing]

would overwatch be arrested then for elderly abuse against sigma??

could winston be legally put down due to attacking humans?

[rare trail]

i kinda assume youre trolling at this point but overwatch has never interacted with sigma

[peak escarp]

Overwatch hasn't attacked Sigma, and Winston has been legally recognized as a person so he has all the same rights as a person

[rare trail]

yeha winston isnt like feral

[mighty wing]

maybe in the scrapped pve

[rare trail]

and like k9 units dont get put down if they bite people

[mighty wing]

is he calm in his ult then

[rare trail]

angry doesnt mean feral

[mighty wing]

its called primal rage

[hasty niche]

💀

[elfin bane]

stuff that happens in game/matches is not lore accurate

[mighty wing]

he rages against doomfist

[rare trail]

so?

[mighty wing]

in a cinematic

[rare trail]

i dont get your point

[mighty wing]

what are your classifications for feral then

[elfin bane]

the k9 point still stands

[rare trail]

animal that lives in the wild

[elfin bane]

he’s still conscious will ulting

[peak escarp]

being angry doesn't make him feral

[elfin bane]

ye

he’s just mad

[rare trail]

people get angry sometimes in fact

[elfin bane]

we don’t send people for the chair if they kill people in a war

[mighty wing]

bro what

[elfin bane]

so winston would not be put down for basically doing police work no

[hasty niche]

no the game is extremely woke

[mighty wing]

dw guys winton just a lil angry when hes roaring and is bright red smashing people

[elfin bane]

if you don’t want a question answered then don’t ask it

[mighty wing]

technically what winston is doing is illegal anyways since overwatch disbanded and criminlised there actions

so i will be putting him down

[peak escarp]

good luck with that

[fossil wren]

Bro really prepares for 100 soldiers vs 1 Winston

[fossil wren]

Reaper is of Hispanic roots, but he is not Mexican

His wife Martina is Mexican

And his son probably has dual nationality

[rare trail]

i HATE the 100men vs 1 gorilla question

powerscaling in general vro

[peak escarp]

it is pretty stupid

[fossil wren]

Alright hearme on this one

100 tracers vs 1 sigma

[normal remnant]

alright lets do overwatch lore instead of this gang

whats ur fav part of ur fav characters lore

or like a fun fact

then we all learn some lore

yippee

[elfin bane]

um umm uhh ummm i like zenyatta is a robot

[opaque tundra]

Hammond killed a man

[spare fox]

Dr. Liao made FIVE great creations: Echo, Athena, and Aurora, and then there are 2 others we know nothing about yet

[peak escarp]

Cassidy was such a skilled marksman at seventeen that Reyes recruited him, AND THEN he was taught by Ana to become an even better shot... he's easily a contender for the best shot in Overwatch

[fossil wren]

.

What

Message didnt sent?

[fossil wren]

I'm a big fan of Transformers, when Ramattra uses his nemesis form he transforms, His background and story remind me of Megatron and Magneto who are one of my favorite characters in fiction, His way of speaking and his personality

Overall I love everything about Ramattra

Fun fact, his English and his Latin Spanish voice actor have voiced Doctor Strange in some media (In English in Lego Marvel Superheroes 2, and in Spanish in the MCU)

[normal remnant]

Would you guys say widowmaker replaced ana as the best sniper? I see a lot of people saying it's not fair because of her genetic enhancements/ana hesitated because of emotional ties, but at the end of the day, ana lost the duel

[lone summit]

Hes a global terrorist
how would he become a good guy

Someone put Doomfist on fraudwatch
How did he lose to a gorilla

If you have a gauntlet that could supposedly level a skyscraper
I would expect you to beat an angry monkey

[peak escarp]

a genetically enhanced angry monkey

[vapid tusk]

who also has plot armor

[lone summit]

hes just smart thats all

I would expect you to oneshot an angry monkey

[vapid tusk]

pretty sure the genetic experiment winston and hammond got was superintelligence AND superstrength

[peak escarp]

yes

[vapid tusk]

is genji the second fastest hero lorewise after tracer?

ik doom beat both of em but i feel like that was mainly due to strategy not speed

[lone summit]

Why would the scientists give animals superstrength
that would be just asking to get referred to in the past tense

[vapid tusk]

bc its an experiment

[lone summit]

how the hell did they get that authorized

Apes are bad enough

Apes with super strength is so much worse

But either way
I would still expect doom to beat winston

[vapid tusk]

but alas he didn't

so

[fossil wren]

Put all Talon members there too

[lone summit]

Id say except Sombra Sigma and
Mauga
I havent seen Sombra and Sig fight in lore
And Mauga tied with Doomfist

[fossil wren]

Mauga lose to Baptiste

And he run away from venture

😭

[lone summit]

u right

Just Sombra and Sig

[rare trail]

the leveling a skyscraper thing is just something a kid said one time, its not a real feat

[lone summit]

why i said supposedly

[fossil wren]

Although to be fair Bap used immortality field

And Venture case was Talon escaping before the police arrived not from they

[rare trail]

winston is real strong in the lore

undefeated afaik

[fossil wren]

He has fucking plot armor and Reaper is an idiot

[lone summit]

I bet Mercy is rich in story
She out here bringing people back to life
Thats a BAG

[rare trail]

well yeah

[fossil wren]

She can't revive in lore

[lone summit]

Damn

Womp womp

She broke

[light sleet]

Oh not the power discussion. Plot is always stronger I think

[fossil wren]

Genuinely Reaper is an idiot in the lore

[rare trail]

yeah

the generally accepted top 2 are orisa winston then mauga doom past them

[fossil wren]

Reaper under Doom or mauga

Reaper if we are technical is still strong in lore

[rare trail]

sigma symmetra lifeweaver and illari all could be really strong but we dont really know what they can do

[fossil wren]

He has death blossom, Shadow step, Wraith form

[lone summit]

hes immortal
and in theory he cant really be hurt if hes just mist

[fossil wren]

He also defeated Soldier and could have killed him if Ana hadn't saved him

[rare trail]

i wouldnt say immortal

but yeah really durable

[lone summit]

He got fucking evaporated by winston and is still alive

[fossil wren]

He also destroyed Volskaya's mech

[light sleet]

ventilator

*/j

[rare trail]

ana aint even save him through strength reaper just gave up

[rare trail]

bro winston aint the type of guy to carry weapons that will evaporate people

[fossil wren]

If Reaper wasn't an idiot Katya would be dead in that mission

[rare trail]

tickle gun is not set to kill

[lone summit]

i didnt say he does
but he literally did

[fossil wren]

I'm very curious to see Gabriel current face

[lone summit]

reaper literally poofs

[rare trail]

reaper chose to do that gang

thats a power he has

[fossil wren]

Ana looked visibly disturbed when she saw his face

[rare trail]

frrr

iirc theres a spray with some of it

[lone summit]

eh

[fossil wren]

Code of violence

[lone summit]

Also
Why do people still reject overwatch when they can clearly see what happens when there isnt any overwatch

[light sleet]

But yeah agree that LW and Sym is potentially really strong bc one is literally hiding with some "lol flower nuclear bomb", and 2nd can literally make anything from nothing.
the question is rather that LW is extremely pacifistic, and Sym still will not turn Vishkar’s technology against Vishkar idk

[fossil wren]

He appears to have half of his face burned (possibly from the Swiss HQ explosion)

[light sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/venture-venture-overwatch-venture-overwatch-2-venture-ow-venture-ow2-gif-14159470057593783939

[fossil wren]

Although I wouldn't be surprised if it looked even worse considering Moira experiments on him

And the way his regeneration works

[lone summit]

Didnt Doomfist get bitched by Orisa out of Numbani

[marble charm]

Oh yea 100%

People like to mention that Lucio was helping but

I'm pretty sure orisa basically no diffed him

[fossil wren]

Tf he do 😭

[marble charm]

Typo my bad

[lone summit]

Doomfist deserves to be put on fraudwatch

Master martial artist with a strong arm my ass

[fossil wren]

Doomfist gets constants L in the Lore, However I don't consider him a fraud

So far everything has gone according to his plans

[lone summit]

I imagine thats either just fate or the work of his little minions

[fossil wren]

Talon maintains a discreet role compared to Null Sector, but when they start to really move, I'm sure things won't go so well for the new Overwatch

[lone summit]

They should remake the archive missions
but with different or no rewards

[peak escarp]

agreed

[marble charm]

Yea I wouldn't say he's a fraud

It's just nobody else on the talon roster can really hold up against the OW roster

They're alot more stacked individually

[fossil wren]

Don't forget that Sombra usually sabotages the missions

[marble charm]

Eh does she really sabotage all of them

Or only the ones she benefits from

[fossil wren]

The second

[lone summit]

Like do people not have eyes

[fossil wren]

Talon main problem is that they don't have the unity that Overwatch has

[marble charm]

I mean they're just following orders

And we do see people

Ignore them

[fossil wren]

If they could kill each other they probably would

[marble charm]

The OW2 launch cinematic has the officer work with them

And sojourns shows that the agent knew she was still active

But was basically letting it slide

It's the governments that see OW as a threat

If they can stop a omnic invasion that the government can't stop

How can they stop overwatchm

Either from world domination or bringing the world governments to justice for corruption

[lone summit]

Then what do they do about the new omnic invasion

[marble charm]

I imagine since the first one, the UN would have started preparing for the possibility of a second

So they'd have felt more confident

As we've seen it wasn't really enough and OW did come to the rescue but

Like I said I'd assume the vast majority of the public probably supports OW

[fossil wren]

Holy shit

Mauga is the most competent agent of Talon lmao

😭

[lone summit]

How

[marble charm]

Eh

I think widow probably is

Mauga gets the missions done but he's too loud so to speak

[fossil wren]

The same Widow who failed to kill Katya and steal the Doomfist gauntlet?

[hushed jetty]

mauga is competent but in a very Chaotic way, for lack of a better word

he won't fuck up the mission but you WILL be pissed at him anyawy

okay maybe he'll fuck it up a little actually. he did blow up that ship

[fossil wren]

Which ship? There was no ship

If you understand what I'm saying

[lone summit]

no witnesses

[hushed jetty]

there certainly was no ship once he was done with it 😭

[leaden hornet]

by changing his ways

everyone has a phase bro

ram will prob grow out of it truss

[lone summit]

Bro Rammatra wouldnt get locked up for his crimes
Hes either getting his shit rebooted or hes getting scrapped

Make his ass a workbot

[leaden hornet]

no pls i hope dey dont scrap ram

just cuz he became a global terrorist dosnet mean he shuld be scrapped ;(

[lone summit]

theyre melting that guy

recycle him

[leaden hornet]

dis so sad

[wild spruce]

Scrap his ass

No more hitler

[spare fox]

Aaron has hinted twice now that S18 will be a banger

and that 50-60% of the active playerbase has been playing Stadium and that they are working on something for "everyone else" too

hopefully it's some kind of story advancement

[marble charm]

Obviously Talon doesn't know of this one but I don't think it was fully widows fault with Katya considering sombra was on her own grind there

And then what, widow and reaper are expected to 2v2 Winston and Tracer with Reaper (who has already lost to winston) when Doomfist himself also loses to Winston

Let's not ignore that she killed Gerald, Mondatta, took Ana out of commission (for awhile at least) and has probably done alot more

I'd say from everything we have seen widow is pretty much the most effective

Or sombra I suppose but she's not entirely affiliated with talon

[peak escarp]

I think Widowmaker has the most examples of successful missions

she's even the one who came in to fix Reaper/Sombra's screwup in Code of Violence

[marble charm]

Yea

Which would make her the most competent

But obviously pretty much every Talon Agent has proved themselves in someway or how

[peak escarp]

honestly she should be a council member, but maybe she doesn't want to

she just wants to kill

[marble charm]

I doubt talon would want her to be either tbh

She's sorta just a weapon

[peak escarp]

yeah

but she's at least a weapon with some autonomy

not like Sigma

[marble charm]

Just gets more respect than sigma does because she's fully conscious

Yea

She's also probably more successful

Have we actually seen sigma on missions

I don't read all the comics and short stories

I sorta assumed he's the 'nuclear option' that gets sent in when talon needs more firepower

[peak escarp]

he's not currently sent on missions, he's just kept in a lab, allowed to continue his research under Moira's supervision

[fossil wren]

I hope they expand more on Talon inner council, When it was showed up many seats were empty

[spare fox]

I hope so and with that, I hope we get more of a clear view of what Talon's actual plan is

like someone said earlier, Talon as we see it lacks unity

yeah Doom wants to start war to strengthen humanity, other council members assumedly want to get rich and/or powerful off of that war

[fossil wren]

Vialli didnt agree with Doomfist, he wanted to use Talon to enrich himself and as soon as Doom was arrested he changed the organization objectives for that

Maximilien uses Talon as much as they use him, He takes care of the finances and Talon takes care of his enemies, Sanjay is by far the most intriguing of Talon inner council members i would really like to see them expand his reasons for being part of Talon

[spare fox]

I assume that Sanjay also wants enrich himself through Vishkar getting contracts to "clean up" the destruction

[fossil wren]

It's the most probably option, although it would be curious if it turns out that he agrees with Doomfist vision

[spare fox]

I mean yeah, he does want a "perfect" world of course but getting rich off of that is probably the #1

[fossil wren]

I don't recognize this silhouette

[spare fox]

it's baptiste

[fossil wren]

Those spikes on one of his arms make him hard to recognize

But isn't his crest too big to be him?

Maybe I'm being too conspiratorial but

Hero 45 is supposed to be a gladiator

[spare fox]

yeah but that silhouette is Bap, not H45

it kind of makes sense to add Bap to stadium sooner rather than later... his kit def lends itself to customized stadium mechanics

I imagine Hanzo's will include mini dragons! like genji's

similar to Ashe's mini BOBs

[fossil wren]

Every time you use scatter it cast dragons for 1 second

[fallen ether]

It’ll either make him op or completely useless

[hasty niche]

Why is the military hilariously incompetent

In the bastion cinematic I remember they decided to deploy overwatch ti direct engage the robot swarm instead of obliterating the entire field with an artillery barrage

Are they run by 7 year olds

[grand wedge]

It was not Overwatch in the Bastion cinematic, but basically yeah, the military was not very good. It is more useful to make them incompetent for storytelling purposes

And also : it was not that simple to defeat Anubis who adapted to every human war tactics

[lone summit]

vide bal sou yo

[fossil wren]

That wasnt overwatch

That was the Crusaders a unit in the German army

Anubis doesnt rely on any conventional military tactic, Behind them they had a city or they are stopped there or the city will be annihilated

[hasty niche]

What

[fossil wren]

The battle seen at The Last Bastion takes place on the outskirts of Stuttgart. The crusaders led by Adler were likely deployed to contain the offensive until the city was evacuated

[hollow salmon]

Hi nobs

[bold fern]

ow love languages idk if this belongs here

[little iron]

nah its not lore lmfao

[fossil wren]

Zen would be words of affirmation or quality time

Venture all of the above

Winston words of affirmation

Bastion quality time or acts of service