lore-discussion

[marble charm]

Okay so they disband Interpol while OW is operating legally

And then suddenly overwatch disbands

And now interpol is gone too

And OW can't be everywhere at once

At OWs duty isn't to stop petty crime

[peak escarp]

Overwatch isn't a police force

interpol still has a purpose with Overwatch existing

[keen summit]

always

media literacy and thinking for oneself is dead afterall

[wild fulcrum]

Can someone please explain the relation between Vishkar and Talon for me..? 😓 All I know is theyre involved through Sanjay, but I dunno the extent

[fervent widget]

Talon destroys places, and Vishkar benefits from rebuilding places so a lot of destruction and where it’ll be is known in advanced

Also, the prosthetics that Doom’s family’s company that you can see on one of the maps are developed similarly to Satya’s, which implies there is probably a contract deal with them. Possibly how the relationship with Sanjay’s involvement began from

When Satya tells Ramattra that his chaos causes so much disarray for millions, he mentions to her that Vishkar profits off of this

So you can go back to the connection with Vishkar, Talon, and Null Sector

Especially since in Rebuilding Ruins there was an attack in Paris, and Vishkar seemed well aware that another would occur near the Arcology

Maybe it’d be easier to take Niran and/or the biolight in the chaos, esp since Null Sector made a direct attack on the Arcology, so they sent Satya there. Probably with the intention of lowering his guard without Satya knowing since she is kept in the dark about a lot of things intentionally

[peak escarp]

it's unclear what the extent of their involvement is - is it just Sanjay, or is all of Vishkar involved? does Vishkar know about Sanjay's side hustle?

lots of unanswered questions

[fervent widget]

I think it’s implied that the higher ups are aware since the lore of the founder sounds like he had an unfortunate premature death but is very clearly a planned out murder. Then conveniently, the business model changed to profit on launch

And this would’ve been before Sanjay

[peak escarp]

possibly

but it could just be that the Vishkar higher ups are just scummy capitalists - the founder wanted hard light to be free to all

so maybe Vishkar is just "exploit people and profit off misery" bad but not "commit acts of terrorism and cause a global war" bad

[fervent widget]

They did blow up a building and destroyed favelas in the process when they couldn’t find dirt on a competitor, so I think they’re pretty willing to do stuff as long as it doesn’t trace back to their company

[peak escarp]

at the very least, Symmetra seems unaware of her company's/boss's shady business practices (or was until "A Better World")

[peak escarp]

that's what I mean - did Vishkar approve of that, or did Sanjay do it on his own to secure the deal?

we don't know

[fervent widget]

They have a PR team and still make headlines a lot, and he seems to be involved with a lot of fuck ups and accidents, so I think it would be really hard not to notice his actions

I highly doubt the higher ups aren’t aware of what he’s up to

Very much sounds like he’s pretty high up himself that it’s a matter of the higher ups are aware, the employees are not aware

Like most irl company practices

[wild fulcrum]

OH MY GOD IT'S YOU I FOLLOW YOU ON TUMBLR

Sorry thats so unrelated i just recognized your username

[fervent widget]

Oh! Hello

[willow meadow]

We really need an Illari cinematic following her journey after the death of her village

[fossil wren]

The last thing we know is that she is still in Runasapi

Soldier went to look for her although the reason is unknown

[spare fox]

Well we don't know if he went to look for her or he was there for other reasons (or a combination of the two)
We know he was headed to Oasis and then there's Oasis ministry labs on Runasappi

[willow meadow]

Has soldier rejoined overwatch or is he still rogue

[fossil wren]

He's not coming back to OW

@willow meadow

[willow meadow]

Why do the characters exist in the game if lore wise they’re just on their own having nothing to do with Overwatch

[fossil wren]

I don't know, To expand the worldbuilding?

[peak escarp]

to expand on worldbuilding, and sometimes they join Overwatch later

like Zarya, D.Va, Lucio

they weren't connected to anyone initially, until Cassidy brought them in in New Blood

[fervent widget]

To explain world events because Overwatch has always had a global based world building

If it was just Overwatch vs Talonwatch it would be a very boring “good” vs “bad” imo

[fossil wren]

Overwatch vs Talonunwatch

[fervent widget]

LOL

I was thinking of mirrorwatch at the same time

[strange jay]

isnt hanzo kinda affiliated with the shimada clan

[fossil wren]

No

He left the clan

[strange jay]

oh

[fossil wren]

And they tried to kill him after that

[peak escarp]

also the Shimada clan was taken down by Blackwatch after that

[fossil wren]

Genji surely had fun

[light dagger]

Can we talk about how Freja seems to like BDSM

[peak escarp]

what gives you that idea?

[light dagger]

Did you not see her trailers?

Can't post screencaps here

[peak escarp]

she's a bounty hunter

tying people up is her job

[fossil wren]

Freakywatch

[rancid raptor]

The hunter

[buoyant hinge]

Freja has the same face as widow, especially the kerrigan skin one, are they related or what?😭

[ionic summit]

one's from Denmark, the other is French. they just look alike

[spare fox]

other than they both have long legs and the same expression on their faces, they really don't look alike at all

even with widow in a skin that gives her similar coloring to freja:

I think Freja's face looks more similar to Brig but they're both scandinavian women so that makes sense

[elfin bane]

i think it’s the eyes and eye makeup

[solid pagoda]

the hacker girl is colombian?

[fossil wren]

You mean sombra

And she is mexican

The voice actress is Colombian

[solid pagoda]

thanks

[fossil wren]

Which makes no fucking sense but Blizzard doesn't give a shit about that

[spare fox]

Calm down, it's acting

Actors act outside their nationality all the time

[fossil wren]

That is not the problem

The problem is that Blizzard doesn't care about voice acting

Spain dub, Latin American Spanish and Brazilian are currently incomplete

Dubbing hasn't made any progress in almost 4 seasons

Most of the new voice lines are in English or have no voice acting at all

[solid pagoda]

is there any colombian character?

[peak escarp]

not currently

[fossil wren]

Latin Americans we have, Sombra, Illari, Lucio

Venture is half-Mexican I think

[loud marsh]

They really, really don't have the same face

[buoyant hinge]

I mean, they obviously don’t but they lowkey, LOWKEY look like twins???

[loud marsh]

From different dads maybe

[toxic torrent]

Dose anyone else think venture might end up working for talon since sombra took interest in her?

[ionic summit]

Sombra takes interest in pretty much anyone

[spare fox]

You mean illari?

[silent falcon]

No shes actualyl mexican

[past copper]

Lucio is Brazilian, Sombra is Mexican and Illari is Peruvian

If you're are going to make a point about nationality, at least know the specific one of each character you're pointing out

We don't currently have a Colombian character and we probably won't

And Venture is Canadian/Mexican btw

[fossil wren]

I didn't make any point about nationality, I simply said that they were of Latin American origin

If I remeber well, Reaper has Hispanic roots like Venture

[spare fox]

Just for clarity,
Hispanic = Spanish speaking, includes Spain
Latin American = countries in American hemisphere that have Latin-based language roots (Portuguese, Spanish, French) and includes Brazil and Haiti
Neither Hispanic nor Latin American have anything to do with race, just language and geography, and any race can be either or both

[peak escarp]

so then Baptiste would also be a Latin American hero

[spare fox]

Yes

[willow meadow]

Oh ok, do we know if solder 76 went to Runasapi for illari or was it another reason

Because that story line is super interesting I wonder what’s going on

[peak escarp]

we don't know anything about it

it just appeared in the Christmas comic from last year

[willow meadow]

Ah

Mysterious

[peak escarp]

hopefully it won't take forever for them to follow up on it

[willow meadow]

Hire more lore writers lmao

Lot of characters have pretty dried out lore rn

Like idk what lifeweaver is up to

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/rebuilding-ruins/

that's what Lifeweaver is up to

[magic karma]

So what do yall think would happen in the mission vanarasi? The one in post-credit ironclad

When talon finds zenyatta

[fossil wren]

Bro appeared out of nowhere

And yet he probably failed since in the trailer he has to rescue Zenyatta

[peak escarp]

when does it show him rescuing zenyatta?

[fossil wren]

Genji fighting Talon (probably in Suravasa), Meeting with Zenyatta

[peak escarp]

how is that rescuing Zenyatta though

he doesn't look captured

[fossil wren]

It's my guess since Zenyatta says: I knew you would come

[peak escarp]

we're missing context

that scene might not even be canon anymore

[opaque tundra]

I think most of the stuff made for that 2019 trailer was made for the 2019 trailer only

Especially seeing that Zen’s room has like 7 copy and pasted jars

[peak escarp]

possibly

[past copper]

I think it’s more possible maybe that Genji showed up before Talon arrived

Or that’s not actually the interaction between them

[misty cape]

Genji farted in the lore

[crisp axle]

Ramattra’s horrified apology when he kills Orisa is actually really endearing.

[elfin bane]

when did ram kill orisa

OH like kill voicelines

mb

[fossil wren]

Yeah

[worthy vault]

Isn't zen supposed to teach genji

[paper ermine]

Yeah, after black watch dismembers

[grand wedge]

Genji left when the swiss HQ exploded

Only then he wandered and ended up in Shambali and met Zenyatta

[marble charm]

Yea but not how to fight

[worthy vault]

I thought he taught genji how to fight from the voice lines

[fossil wren]

No, Zenyatta only taught him to accept his new half-cyborg form

Genji learned to use a sword from Kiriko mother

[worthy vault]

Ah

[marble charm]

^^

I imagine learning under Zenyatta did make him a better swordsman, as it gave him a new perspective on life and himself but yea it was Kirikos mother that trained the brothers

[past copper]

Yo. Sad news from Blizzard. The Art Director of World of Warcraft and Overwatch, Bill Petras, has tragically passed away

RIP to Bill Petras and thank you for everything you’ve done to make Overwatch man

[timid obsidian]

@solemn turtle @south glen @copper vessel https://x.com/amartarae/status/1908998216789745806?s=46 What happened to rupal…?

Amart (@amartarae) on X

did liquid force their ow players to get haircuts or something

X · Apr 6, 2025, 9:40 PM

fuck i did this in lore discussion 😭

imma just post the link again without pings in the right channel

[copper vessel]

1. Horrible cuts all aura is GONE
2. Did you just ping me in lore discussion????

[timid obsidian]

channels right next to each other

[copper vessel]

I got this channel hidden so

[peak escarp]

take it somewhere else

[willow meadow]

Me lore importance tier list (from my knowledge)

Illari and newer characters weren’t in this tier list but they’d all be near the bottom anyway

[solemn turtle]

LOL

[indigo pendant]

who's the strongest character in the overwatch universe?

is it sigma?

[ionic summit]

I would put doomfist higher

[ionic summit]

Either sigma, doomfist or winston

[loud marsh]

Isn't sigma pretty relevant too?

Being kidnapped by talon and all

[vital verge]

Lfd to chat dm

[grand wedge]

Doomfist a side character? He is the main villain with Ramattra, he is the one who pushed Talon to go against OW that led to it’s downfall, how can he be a side character?

[cerulean falcon]

what is talon

[indigo pendant]

winston?

why winton?

[ionic summit]

dude is the embodiment of brawn and brains. a genetically engineered gorilla is bound to be pretty powerful. he did beat doomfist once which already makes him a threat. no hero in the ow roster would have it easy against winston in his primal rage

[ionic summit]

terrorrist orginization led by doomfist and some others. reaper, sombra, widowmaker, moira and mauga are members of it. baptiste used to be with them too but left them

[indigo pendant]

yeah that's a fair point

but won't ana's sleep dart counter him?

[ionic summit]

if it works like how it does in-game and if it can even shut down his primal rage, maybe a little but not enough

[cedar shuttle]

Orisa is canon strongest tied with winton iirc

Sig possibly but as far as we can tell he's just too silly

[indigo pendant]

okay yeah

i get it

what about sombra though?

isn't she also one of the strongest characters as well?

[cedar shuttle]

No

She's like

Extremely weak

[ionic summit]

she relies on tech being part of her enemies. she can't exactly hack organic matter

[cedar shuttle]

Her in-game hacks aren't canon

You can't use a keyboard to stop a black hole or an angry gorilla

[indigo pendant]

i don't think she's that weak

[cedar shuttle]

She has no physical capabilities and her only power comes from knowledge

[indigo pendant]

well yeah obviously not xd

[cedar shuttle]

Knowing that soldier is jack Morrison isn't gonna stop him bashing her skull in

[indigo pendant]

you think he'll find her?

isn't she like also on the run or something?

[cedar shuttle]

So is Jack

[indigo pendant]

why?

is it because he faked his death?

[cedar shuttle]

Yuh

[fossil wren]

How tf

Doom Is a side character

He is the leader of Talon, He must be in crucial

What Talon is as an organization now is thanks to Doomfist, The Talon agents missions (Widowmaker, Reaper, Mauga, Sombra) were ordered by Doomfist, Null Sector is being supported by Talon, If anyone is crucial in the Lore it's Doomfist

Widow should be in important and Doomfist in crucial

[karmic mist]

guys help pls

[fossil wren]

Reaper should also be crucial, Widow is not more relevant than Gabriel in any way

[fossil wren]

What's the problem?

[karmic mist]

iam currently on my 20 ls

20th

idk if im the problem or my teammates

🧍🏻

ineed sum advice

🙏🏻

[fossil wren]

#overwatch-serious

Here we discuss Lore, Please avoid talking about external topics

[karmic mist]

okay sorry

[fossil wren]

Np

[indigo pendant]

i agree with this

[cerulean falcon]

are they against zenyatta?

[fossil wren]

No?

But Zenyatta represents a threat to Talon interests just as Mondatta was

[ionic summit]

not really. but he along with mondatta is a target of theirs

[cerulean falcon]

and who’s mondatta?

[fossil wren]

The master of Zenyatta and Ramattra

He was the leader of the Shambali monks and their founder

[quaint moon]

Didn’t he die?

[fossil wren]

He sought peaceful coexistence between humans and omnics

Talon considered him a threat and Widowmaker killed him in "Alive"

[languid forge]

Don't listen to @worthy rose yap it's a ploy to get regular role

[quaint moon]

Oh yeah

Rip bro 🙏

[worthy rose]

LORE DISCUSSIONMM i dont get ppl who hate moira personally sure she dosbt take skill BUT BUTTTher lore GOES CRAZY like without her no mercy no widow no reaper

her lore goes crazy

[languid forge]

Holy yap

[worthy rose]

yep to me i wann get regular role

[peak escarp]

you have it backwards

without Mercy there would be no Moira - Mercy invented the healing tech that Moira's research is based on

[worthy rose]

what

[fossil wren]

His death will not be in vain, Null Sector will bring peace to the omnics

[quaint moon]

L humans frfr

[worthy rose]

why not im not a weirdo i have funny photos and vids of overwatch 🙏🙏😭😭

[fossil wren]

https://tenor.com/view/ramattra-overwatch2-omnic-null-sector-gif-27061989

[peak escarp]

Ramattra hated Mondatta

[languid forge]

Ramattra doesn't hate anyone

[peak escarp]

he thought Mondatta turned his back on omnics by denouncing him during the King's Row uprising

he probably thinks Mondatta got what he deserved

[languid forge]

He wanted a place for his species to strive and he understood that as long as humanity existed his dream would never be accomplished

[fossil wren]

I know, but I had to take advantage of the opportunity to do some Null Sector propaganda

[languid forge]

Ramattra has no hate for any omnic

[fossil wren]

He hates Max

[languid forge]

Except max

Everyone hates max

[fossil wren]

Or at least that's what their leaked interactions from the next season suggest

[peak escarp]

My eyes fell again to the words scrolling beneath his image.
null sector ringleader killed during power plant firefight.
Fury descended. I remembered omnics sitting meekly in their cells, waiting for freedom. The vast rolling scrapyards of the dead.
And now, Mondatta dishonoring Lanet, who died fighting to free her people.```

[fossil wren]

(we don't know if he really knows him)

[languid forge]

If he does he probably mildly dislikes him

But not enough to wish death upon him

He wants his kind to prosper

You can see in his voiceline where he kills orisa he says "I truly had no quarrel with you, I am sorry" and he sounds like he's on the verge of robot tears

It's actually sad

[ember harness]

more lesbians when

[willow meadow]

I’m ngl I thought he was just some goofy underground drug boss or something

[fossil wren]

😭

[cerulean falcon]

why does ramm fight and zenn heal?

[fossil wren]

zen cant heal in lore

Ram is a Ravager, Omnics created by Anubis during the crisis, He is the equivalent of a member of the special forces, We don't know much about Zenyatta past, but it is likely that he was not made for war

While Ramattra can fight in the Lore he doesnt have the nemesis form, he doesnt have his barrier or the vortex

Ramattra is more of a tactician than a tank in the Lore, his strength is due to his intelligence and tactical ability

[cerulean falcon]

so just his staff

[fossil wren]

Yeah but I don't know if it really shoots like in the game

[indigo pendant]

what role does freja play in the lore?

is she important?

[worthy vault]

Idk I only know she is Danish

[indigo pendant]

NUVANGLEDAH

[fossil wren]

It was just added to the game

Wait a bit

[peak escarp]

she's a former Overwatch member who worked in Search & Rescue who became a bounty hunter after the fall

[ember harness]

really??????

no way

[peak escarp]

neither can Lucio

[twilit patrol]

And neither can Brigitte

[past copper]

neither can Juno

Truth is, we’ve only really seen a couple of supports actually heal in lore

[fossil wren]

Yeah

[spare fox]

Really though in-game healing in any way can't possibly work the same in canon lore

[fossil wren]

Yeah literally Zenyatta healed you by the power and grace of the Iris

That doesn't make any fucking sense

[marble charm]

I mean mercys does right

[spare fox]

Not really

She's "just" a brilliant prodigy doctor who works on medical breakthroughs

But she can't just heal what is done to people in battle with a wave of her staff

But she has been responsible for healing and medical breakthroughs

[toxic torrent]

Quick question if you don’t mind, what’s with the orb in rams staff what is it?

[opaque tundra]

Nanites I think

[rare trail]

um

i mean its not with the wave of her staff technically but in zero hour she heals mei

ana heals soldier in a comic

like while hes fighting

also kiri in her short

[peak escarp]

a faint golden glow emanated from the staff and then surrounded Hanan, slowly
radiating like sunshine. Small motes of light, like dust glittering in the air freckled as it landed on Hanan’s skin. Her eyes brightened and then she flinched like she had
just held her arm too close to a fire. “It might be a little hot,” I said. “Let me know if it’s too much.”```

[rare trail]

tons of the supports heal like they do in game

ana kiri mercy have been shown to heal like they do in game i think

also bap maybe ?

[fossil wren]

Yeah

Bap abilities are canon

Although I don't really understand how the matrix works

[peak escarp]

Ana - healing darts and grenade, knows basic first aid but isn't great at it
Baptiste - healing grenades, immortalitly field, is a trained medic
Brigitte - knows first aid
Illari - healing rifle and pylon
Juno - healing not seen in the lore
Kiriko - spirit healing
Lifeweaver - inventor of biolight
Lucio - healing not seen in the lore
Mercy - inventor of biotic healing, certified medical doctor/surgeon
Moira - biotic spray/orbs
Zenyatta - healing not seen in the lore (psychological healing?)

[fossil wren]

Psychological healing is so canon 😭

[peak escarp]

I mean that healing injuries isn't seen in the lore

[fossil wren]

Yeah ik

[peak escarp]

but psychological healing is implied from Genji's backstory

[fossil wren]

I wish I had Zenyatta as my therapist

[peak escarp]

so do I

[fossil wren]

[peak escarp]

of the supports, I'd really only trust Mercy, Baptiste and Brigitte to treat my injuries

they at least have some medical training

[fossil wren]

I wouldn't trust Moira to even treat a flu

[fossil wren]

Honestly, Brigitte is the kind of person you can trust for almost everything

[rare trail]

i think i'd trust ana

grandma vipes fr

[fossil wren]

Considering what happened with Pharah, I wouldn't trust her that much

[hasty bramble]

i would never trust mercy

most mercy in rank are toxic

[marble charm]

I wouldn't really trust it but kiriko too

Magic is gonna magic

It's when she throws a clay pot over my head that we might have a problem

[indigo pendant]

oh okay

that's kinda cool

[twilit furnace]

The lore

[past copper]

Technically, we haven’t really seen Moira “heal” in lore

But we have seen her kill

[peak escarp]

Declassified said she served as Blackwatch's medic

so she had to have done some healing

[fossil wren]

I took pity on Cassidy, Genji and Gabriel

[past copper]

So... how we think the next hero's abilities work? Some kind of water manipulation?

You already know. Bring on the "It's magic" fanatics

[bold fern]

she steals your pie

how is that trustworthy

https://tenor.com/view/brigitte-overwatch-gif-11426081

[strange jay]

not ana?

also whats like the limit to hard light

cause i feel a lotta things are just stretched out by saying "hardlight does that"

for instance lifeweaver entirely

[cedar shuttle]

Lw invented his own version using weird biomechanical engineering

So I think he's the exception

But iirc hard light is completely fucking weird with very little in the way of canon limitations or info

[elfin bane]

i think it’s a pretty good way to explain stuff

[rare trail]

erm lw isnt hard light

[rare trail]

i mean kinda

sym has kinda random stuff in her comic but thats p much it

its not really present much besides for shields which is like kept consistent

[cedar shuttle]

?? Yes he is

Biolight is just cooler hardlight

[strange jay]

he is though isnt his biolight just a version of hardlight

[rare trail]

its different

[rare trail]

eh

kinda

theyre different

[cedar shuttle]

Is it even specified what makes biolight bio aside from it being pink and looking like a plant

[elfin bane]

idk

does it even have a different use or can it heal in lore too

[past copper]

Hardlight is used only for construction whereas biolight, Lifeweaver’s own creation, can bring life to an environment, much like plants

More over, biolight is a living and growing variation of hard-light fused with plant life

So, while hardlight is used by Vishkar to construct cities. Biolight is used by Lifeweaver to revive damaged ecosystems

Sadly, this paints a target on his back. Especially by Vishkar, who want to use his biolight for their own purposes

[peak escarp]

we haven't seen biolight heal in lore, just that's it's a living fusion of hard light and plant matter

[spare fox]

going by the email in Oasis and also how the Phreaks not only knew how to utilize the vinadium (sp?) but they came literally equipped to utilize it, do you think Moira or possibly another person unknown gave the Phreaks (or just Hazard) some inside info prior to their heist?

[peak escarp]

probably not Moira

but someone else is possible

[spare fox]

only way I could see Moira is that if she wanted a willing test subject to test it on but couldn't justify losing it or taking it on her own, for obvious reasons

[fossil wren]

Maybe Sombra?

[spare fox]

idk the more I think of it I think Moira is a definite possibility since she's always in search of test subjects

and ones in pain to boot

[past copper]

Hmm. You know something, interesting idea for a collab

Minecraft

Because people Minecraft fever since that movie dropped

So would not be a stretch to see an Overwatch x Minecraft collab

Especially since it’s owned by Microsoft

[peak escarp]

Minecraft Bastion

he's already kinda blocky

Piglin Roadhog

Enderman Kiriko Moira

[fossil wren]

Hanzo skeleton

[peak escarp]

MOOSHROOM ORISA dammit now I want a Minecraft collab

[cerulean falcon]

how did moira get her powers

[lethal flax]

she drank antimatter

[cerulean falcon]

what’s that

[peak escarp]

she experimented on herself, and uses Mercy's research to heal

[cerulean falcon]

and it went wrong?

[azure flint]

moira said "whatever happens happens"

and thats how her arm got that way

[past copper]

Honestly, I can see it being as huge collab as, in a stunning surprise, the movie turned out to be

[peak escarp]

the movie is terrible though

[past copper]

It still grossed a lot of money already tho. So terrible or not, it’s still highly popular

It’s nowhere near Avatar or Avengers: Endgame level of popularity, but it’s earned it’s place in 2025

Although, I think that’s only because a certain movie is doing far worse than A Minecraft Movie

[past copper]

It makes more sense if Sombra were the enderman. Purple colors, teleports, and the most annoying enemy

[peak escarp]

I was going more for tall and lanky, disappears and is generally annoying

[past copper]

Almost Sombra’s full description, if not her, then either Ramattra or Reaper

Nemesis Form Ram certainly gives angry Enderman vibes

[peak escarp]

so Moira still works

[past copper]

Well then, another is maybe make Ram the Wither or something

Altho, I kinda think they’d do something simple like just make Minecraft styled skins for some heroes 🤷‍♂️

[edgy tree]

Tracer is literally right there

Sombra uses her tp to escape tracer uses it for combat just like an enderman

[keen summit]

tbf its easy to see how it could as it creates literal organic matter

[marble charm]

Endermen literally primarily use TP to escape

You hit them

They tp like 10 blocks away

And sprint back over to you

Would a piglin reaper be crazy

[thin quarry]

guys is venture apart of overwatch?

or are they on their own kinda like illari or ashe

[marble charm]

On their own

[strange jay]

enderman moira

cause she goes invis

and her orbs are pearls

and she's purple and black too

and she's tall and lanky too

[wicked plinth]

Ana solos the entire cast

No debate

[magic karma]

Geishas

[peak escarp]

Ana is an old woman with good aim

[wicked plinth]

She solos

[edgy tree]

they tp to confuse their enemies if they used it to escape why'd they just... run at you after? they also dodge projectiles using their tps like you'd do with tracer

[fossil wren]

Don't tell me that

I'm going to see it with my friends soon

[thin quarry]

oooo ok ty

[past copper]

I mean, I haven’t seen it, but it’s like one of those movies that’s bad, it’s good

But I standby the fact A Minecraft Movie coming out at the same time as Snow White is what bettered its success

But let’s not get into that conversation here

[keen summit]

debatable actually

its obvious bait but, if she can land a good headshot on MOST of the cast, for lots we can assumme itd end in death

i mean its literal poison going through your body

[cedar shuttle]

Also she can just shoot you with a real gun

We know she's good at it

Like on par with widow, just smarter and works with others

[keen summit]

ngl

i think for lots the poison would be more dangerous

like if its strong enough to break through rock and then also injects a poison? straight to your brain?

[peak escarp]

break through rock?

Ana doesn't shoot poison

it's not really explained what she shoots

[distant hamlet]

i assume she hits you with the nano bots that mercy uses but instead of healing your tissue they destroy it

so basically a poison or disease

[peak escarp]

Mercy doesn't use nanobots

only Ramattra has any nanobots

[distant hamlet]

oh i thought that her beam was nano bots that put you back together 😭

[peak escarp]

nope

she uses nanobiotics, which is something different

[distant hamlet]

ah okay

[fossil wren]

nanomachines son

[peak escarp]

[fossil wren]

need to make that joke

[peak escarp]

I hate that meme

[pliant crater]

lore

[fossil wren]

Indeed

[fossil wren]

https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254

Ramattra instead of Armstrong and Genji instead of Raiden

[azure flint]

mgr collab when

[fossil wren]

Doom would probably be Armstrong ngl

A Raiden Genji Skin will be so fire

[cedar shuttle]

Nah, Armstrong ram
Symettra mystral
Jetstream Sam Lucio
Reinhardt or hazard sundowner
Bladewolf bastion
Uhhhhh torb monsoon

I can't think of anyone for monsoon

Winton

Because memes or something

[green pike]

My headcanons are that moira is racist and doomfist is pro-life

And that hanzo and junk dont know gay people exist

[peak escarp]

those are terrible headcanons

[spare fox]

doubly agreed fr

[fossil wren]

triple agreed

[past copper]

Quadruplely agreed

[native gulch]

Quintuply agreed

[tiny olive]

sextuply agreed

2 hours later

[marble charm]

Nah sounds Canon to me

I'll make sure to post it all over tiktok

[peak escarp]

don't even joke

tiktok doesn't need more fuel

[marble charm]

😭

[magic karma]

One question: who are the Gwishins?

[grand wedge]

Rogue robots flowing out of some underwater omnium that was not desactivated for short

[ember harness]

im ramatra frfr

he just like me frfr

and im zen also, in my good days

[silk oracle]

Ramatra is the best character in the game In terms of lore

[ruby ridge]

reaper ana moira soldier:

[silk oracle]

Moira might be close

[cedar shuttle]

Hanzo is literally a gay people, he has sex with Cassidy in canon

[fossil wren]

💀

[fossil wren]

What did we say about the Lore from tik tok?

[cedar shuttle]

That it's perfectly canon and completely correct

Also that's from Tumblr

[fossil wren]

Give me your regular role

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[cedar shuttle]

No

[past copper]

Don’t worry. Pretty sure TikTok bout to be on the chopping block again

[coarse scaffold]

Junker queen?

[elfin bane]

tall and australian

[spare fox]

And 1000% bad b

[uncut sluice]

how do i get started on the lore here?

[uncut sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-gif-24563434

[peak escarp]

there are links to all the lore sources in the pins on this channel

[uncut sluice]

are these regularly edited?

[grand wedge]

Yes

[peak escarp]

the google doc gets updated with every new piece of lore

[uncut sluice]

where's the all animations part?

[peak escarp]

all animations?

animations are listed on the document as Animated Shorts

or Origin Trailers

[cerulean falcon]

was juno born on mars?

[peak escarp]

yes

[azure flint]

can ashe swim

[spare fox]

see the hc that she can't swim is, imo, an example of a good hc

based on a tiny bit of canon but we can still draw our own conclusions

(as opposed to the ones that are kind of blatently wish-fulfillment and/or projection onto the characters)

[azure flint]

true

[floral chasm]

isnt that the fun of headcanons

[fossil wren]

Headcanons are not bad as long as you don't want to impose them as the absolute truth

And as long as they are not shit like this

[fossil wren]

.

[floral chasm]

i can get down with that thats valid

[fast crow]

Juno mars

[fossil wren]

Is she Bruno Mars's sister or what?

[fast crow]

Long lost sister myb

[fallow mantle]

YO

HERO 45

They showed her off

In stadium

[peak escarp]

yeah, there's teasers

[fallow mantle]

https://x.com/OWCavalry/status/1911908282706305125

[peak escarp]

La Lupa Della Ritorsione can mean "the wolf of retaliation"

another word for retaliation is retribution

the Retribution mission was set in Venice, Italy

what if 45 is related to Antonio somehow, like maybe his daughter?

[fossil wren]

Ex-Blackwatch members would surely have some fun interactions with her

[elfin bane]

eep

[spare fox]

Is the Italian word for "retaliation" the same word as "retribution"? Because if it is....

And don't forget, Italian character-wise there's not just Antonio but also Viali who Doomfist killed too

OR she could just be totally unrelated to anyone I mean who knows

But when the season before hero 45 is released, or the mid session patch, we def have at least 3 maps to check for lore hints and teasers

That's if, as I'm assuming, the stadium maps have no lore (except the recycled remains of what once was in-development PvE)

And I mean small things like the tablet on Circuit Royale not the whole display that we see of H45

[fossil wren]

I'm genuinely concerned about the number of people I saw wanting to see the omnic public die

😭

[peak escarp]

that is concerning

[spare fox]

I.... I think it would be if it wasn't a video game like

It's a game thing to want to bonk/shoot npcs or stuff that's just there

Look at every spawn room ever

[past copper]

I still say don’t give up on PvE yet. Keep in mind, Stadium is just a prime example that Story Mode can still come back

Because A) the skill trees were scrapped before Invasion and B) given how big these maps are, safe to say they can easily continue the Story Mode

[oak creek]

I did some reasoning just this morning with a friend of mine. I'm Italian and I'm happy that finally a character linked to my country can come out. The fact that they mention "la lupa" ( italian word for "the wolf")is not a coincidence, the wolf is the main symbol of Rome linked to the history of ancient Rome.

I think the new character could be related to Rome and have a strange connection with Talon (?)

[elfin bane]

she’s related to viali and is getting revenge on talon in rome perhaps

[fossil wren]

I seem to remember that Talon headquarters were in Rome

Maybe it's not entirely correct

[spare fox]

I think there's headquarters in Rialto and some kind of Talon secret place on Malevento

[fossil wren]

Talon has a strong presence in Italy, if 45 is related to Viali or Talon I wouldn't be surprised if she seeks revenge

Although it could also turn out to be a member of Talon

[spare fox]

Is the Italian word for "retaliation" (Ritorsione) the same word for "retribution"?

[spare fox]

I kind of hope it's this

I am really liking these storyline stacking up against Talon/Doomfist

[fossil wren]

I can already see his possible interactions with Doomfist or Reaper

Or any member of Talon in general

[peak escarp]

Talon's HQ is in Rome

[oak creek]

you right

[oak creek]

for "ritorsione" (retaliation) we mean "act of revenge for a wrong suffered" and by "retribuzione" (retribution) we mean "compensation due to the worker for the work carried out"

so i dont think so

[spare fox]

Interesting thanks for the info

[oak creek]

youre welcome!

[leaden hornet]

ur welcome

[uncut sluice]

Has doomfist ever snapped his fingers?

Not shitposting

Genuinely curiois

[ionic summit]

With his gauntlet? Not that we have seen. Doubt it'd change much

[fossil wren]

Thanos reference

That's probably why he asked

[ionic summit]

Yeah i know. But then there's his other message. So i'll take it as such

[fossil wren]

Which is funny because in my language Doomfist's VA is the same as Thanos

[ionic summit]

Wait what😭

[fossil wren]

And Ramattra is the same as Doctor Strange

[ionic summit]

What the hell

[fossil wren]

Latin American dubbing

[spare fox]

And Junkrat is Shrek lol

[fossil wren]

Yeah

D.va Is pinkie pie, Tracer is rainbow dash and symmetra twilight sparkle lmao

[elfin bane]

lol

[dense rock]

why was reaper replaced by 76 as the leader

[grand wedge]

because Reyes himself recommended Morrison to Gabreielle Adawe.

WHen Overwatch became an organisation and not just a strike force

[keen summit]

see that is the hero, everyone saying the staue is that i called bullshit on but THAT is the hero

[keen summit]

honestly thatd be fucking amazing

we finally got teasers

lots were trying to say this statue was it but i pointed out it doesnt line up

and that this isnt a new statue, its existed since colosseo has

[grand wedge]

The sword of hero 45 is like this on the side

[grand wedge]

it's Magnus

[keen summit]

yeah i said that too

[keen summit]

i swear

nah im calling it, gladiators liked fire stuff cuz brutality, the sword has a hole infront, the doodle we saw felt very fiery and she is titled "the wolf of retaliation" fighting back is often depicted as fire

[spare fox]

Even though everyone is saying melee tank, I hope there's a non-cooldown way to deal with flying heroes bc ffs with all the flying heroes lately...

[cerulean falcon]

why did hanzo want to kill genji?

[elfin bane]

good question

[cerulean falcon]

that’s why i’m asking them

[elfin bane]

ok

[opaque tundra]

Genji was being an annoying and rebellious dude and the Shimada clan didn’t like that so they ordered Hanzo to kill him

[dull mango]

Are the story mission worth?

[opaque tundra]

Depends on what you want to get out of it. Like lore? Hell yeah. Like gameplay? If you can get players in your matches then maybe

[dull mango]

Maybe lore becausr i suck online

[azure flint]

good luck finding players

[distant hamlet]

they’re not hard you could probably do it yourself on easy

[true prawn]

they need to nerf tracer

[fallow swan]

here in my country, tracer is same voice that dubs hermione granger lol
ramattra is same voice as leon kennedy and silas from league
kiriko is qiyana from league

[peak oriole]

tracer is the weakest character when it comes to lore , hot take.

ive never seen her save anyone , nor win a fight against someone

[fallow swan]

i mean... not that you have bazillions of moments where she will have a 1x1 with someone, and taking power of a character based on K/D/A is kinda stupid, in my humble opinion
besides, she is literally the archetype of "char with a cool/ dangerous power but is too kind to do something". take off her morals and give her a gun like cassidy or some crap like that, and half of the cast is deleted by her

(and you have chars like Mei and non combatant characters that are logically weaker than her in combat )

[fossil wren]

Symmetra for example would be fucking powerful if she were actually a fighter

But she is an architect, she doesn't fight

If you want to go for feats the strongest characters are Doomfist and Winston

Reaper would be close

[peak escarp]

or Orisa

[fossil wren]

Yeah

[rare trail]

uhhh

museum short

[peak escarp]

Tracer can win, when the plot requires it

just like Reaper loses when the plot requires it

[fossil wren]

It's funny how incompetent Reaper is in the shorts

[peak escarp]

he's plenty competent when he's not fighting Winston

he took down a mech in Infiltration

and was a one-man army in Code of Honor

Winston just has plot armor

[kind ore]

Scout

Of course, that's debatable

[fossil wren]

You mean code of violence?

[peak escarp]

oops

yes

[fossil wren]

Yeah but first he was literally standing in front of the mech waiting to be punched lol

[peak escarp]

eh, had to make it look like the mech was a threat

[keen summit]

nah ashe

ashe is just a woman, with a gun

[grim vine]

did widow maker and tracer do the nasty?

[azure flint]

no

[grim vine]

dam

[keen summit]

tracer has a gf and widow seemingly still loves her dead husband

[grim vine]

no shot

[keen summit]

so no

they also

hate eachother

[grim vine]

thought it was a playful hate typa thing 💀

i jus lost a bet dam

[keen summit]

.... playfull hate = damaging someones equivelant of a wheelchair causing them to go in and out of time?

[grim vine]

i mean, toxic love is real

[keen summit]

but there is your answer, anyone with half a braincell and any willingness to learn would know this

[grim vine]

🫡

[pastel stirrup]

we've seen tracer spar with and beat genji in the uprising comic, so no

[cerulean falcon]

where is illari from?

[twilit patrol]

Peru

[marble charm]

I feel like anyone with just a quarter of a braincell would be able to tell their relationship isn't romantic

[frail grove]

Tracer eats rocks with Venture

[spare fox]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/gaming/blizzard-netflix-project-overwatch-wow-35052799

Rumors~~

[peak escarp]

better not be live action

[spare fox]

Please no

Idec if it's more stylized like the recent shorts

In fact I prefer the stylized over the pixar-clone style

[rare trail]

guh

have you watched like a pixar movie ever

[spare fox]

Yes...? I'm not saying it's bad, I just prefer the simple stylization over the hyper realistic detailed style

[rare trail]

i

have you watched a pixar movie ever

like ratatouie doesnt look like dragons 😭 be so fr

and neither are "hyper realistic"

[spare fox]

I think you misunderstood what I'm saying

I don't think every texture needs to be exactly rendered to tiny detail... if they (the studio) focuses on story style and keeps the rendering more "anime" style, it'd work better for a story like overwatch

I think you're thinking "character design" when you say style, I meant more rendering and medium when I say style

[rare trail]

dragons and alive dont look anything like a pixar movie beyond being 3d animation

[spare fox]

Again you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. When I say "style" I don't mean the same as "stylized"

[rare trail]

so what do you mean when you say pixar clone

[spare fox]

Modeling, output, tone, lighting, rendering, all those choices

[keen summit]

its really sus because the cass va himself had talked about it not happening last summer. would the vas not know

[spare fox]

1. it's just a rumor
2. it could be any blizz IP, possibly not Overwatch
3. the actors would be under NDA
4. normally VA is done before animation, but that comes after story, storyboarding, etc etc but it could be different... allegedly it's going to be announced at Blizzcon in Sep 2026 so

[rare trail]

tone

modeling

are we serious

pixar movies dont have the same tone as a civil rights leader being assassinated 😭😭 like be so fr

[keen summit]

nah itd be weird if he was under nda cuz he was asked "if u could choose any ip uve worked on to get a series"
he went
"well overwatch was gonna have one but that got cancelled"

[spare fox]

well NDA's can have expiration dates so the NDA on that one probably expired... it was cancelled in 2019-2020 so

[kind ore]

What would be absolutely hilarious would be if this (hypothetical) series is the crossover with TF2 that Blizzard apparently wants to do.

[flint rivet]

They totally should

[kind ore]

Me and a friend were talking about it.
She described an Overwatch/TF2 crossover series as "Arcane meets The Sopranos."

I love how that sounds.

[azure flint]

just give us an arcane style ow show

[worthy rose]

They said they won’t do a show ever

[kind ore]

Also, if such a show was a crossover with TF2, it would get slapped with a hard TV-MA, which I don't think Blizzard would want

[fossil wren]

As I always say

If Blizzard wants to make a show, they'll go with Warcraft first

[spare fox]

that's very true

though keep in mind they did have talks about Starcraft, Diablo, and Overwatch series w Netflix at the same time way back when but who knows what - again if anything - is going on this time

[spare fox]

though they already made a Warcraft movie and it is apparently doing pretty well on Netflix

[sullen girder]

I guess it’s confirmed. Dva is the villain in dokiwatch

[past copper]

So, what do you think are the set of skins that go with these?

[peak escarp]

the Lifeweaver skin looks like a Host

[past copper]

Look like Genji and Hanzo are princes

And Venture… masquerade?

Hmm. I’m wondering if they’re doing a Royal Ball theme for them

[fossil wren]

EAT THE SWORD OF THE THREE LION

LET THE LION CONSUME YOU

[azure flint]

dokiwatch might have lore

thoughts? @peak escarp

prime overwatch would've made a comic and cinematic for it

[peak escarp]

a comic maybe

not a cinematic

the only AU in OW1 that got any lore was Junkenstein, and it just got comics

[rich pond]

@neon dagger hey >.<

@neon dagger its inkus

[distant hamlet]

the tiefling lifeweaver and illari skins got me popping TF off

[sullen girder]

Maybe they’ll have some special minigame for us?

[peak escarp]

it would be nice if they brought that back

[fossil wren]

Too expensive for the indie company

[peak escarp]

[azure flint]

lol

[loud marsh]

I wonder what the tieflings have to do with the theme

[keen summit]

nothing!

[lilac musk]

LOL Venture looks like a clown 💀

[spare fox]

Yeah I'm pretty sure the demon band is a separate theme

[elfin bane]

ok but wtf were they thinking not putting at least the freja skin in the bp

also that illari skin is so hot

[grand wedge]

maybe it's a skin for the "hollow hearts" - the ennemy of the heroes of heart or something along those lines

Since we've got Ashe, Illari, LW and Mauga with alke skins, with horns

[fallow swan]

venture is like tuxedo man in dokiwatch

he shows up like: "my job here is done"
and juno is like "but you did nothing..."
and venture vanishes...

[spare fox]

https://x.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1913296600878764169?t=286TiQIsggu0IgETGM9N2w&s=19

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch) on X

With so many Powers and Items to choose from in Stadium, it might be tough to figure out where to even begin 🤯

Don’t sweat it! Check out these builds for Ana, Ashe, Cassidy, and D. Va before creating your own when Stadium and Season 16 launch on Apr 22 💪

X · Apr 18, 2025, 6:20 PM

Looks like the lore isn't totally forgotten in Stadium

Little bits of lore including nods from the novels

That's a nice touch at least, they didn't have to use those details

[fossil wren]

If they are going to recycle from the pve at least they should put some lore in it

[grand wedge]

or trying to appease the lore enjoyers with little easter eggs 🥲

[opaque tundra]

You know its bad when an Easter egg is considered notable

[flint rivet]

I want more lore

[fossil wren]

Welcome to the club

[winged sierra]

For those of us who aren't caught up with the lore, what is noticable

[azure flint]

that the lore is dead

that's what's noticable

[peak escarp]

don't be rude

[spare fox]

That Cassidy has an option that mentions Frankie (from the Deadlock Rebels novel)

Orisa of course has reference to Efi which is nothing new but still nice to see

Dva has one referencing Mastermind

And Zarya with Lynx

[winged sierra]

I know all of those names except Lynx, could you elaborate?

[shut tree]

Sigma has the best lore okay

[sweet vine]

Reins lore is the best btw

Had to point it out

[spare fox]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[spare fox]

Lynx is an omnic from the comic Searching

It is on the main media site

They're a hacker

[fossil wren]

Lynx is an omnic hacker who helped Zarya in her search of Sombra

[fossil wren]

Mastermind??? Doomfist???

[spare fox]

Am I mixing up her Meka squad teammate's code name?

Nvm I'm wrong

[past copper]

I'm still on the bench bout stadium mode but it will probably be good to see a new game mode

With a number of abilities that were teased years ago actually used

I'll say this. Each season has been getting bigger and bigger with each new thing they add

Those new maps in stadium being a prime example

[green pike]

Doomfist be liek damns u tryna abort the baby? You should welcome the challenge and raise the kid no matter the physical and mental pain it causes you because only by challenge you will achieve the peak of your possibilies... So he's a pro life in my head

He'd ban abortions stop him

[past copper]

Get this shitposting out if here

[green pike]

Its not shtpostin

Its called

A headcanon

Get it right

[past copper]

Shitposting is shitposting. Checkmate you lose

[green pike]

Oh yeah sorry every headcanon should be like "i headcanon they're asexual non binary gendefluid using they/them pronouns"

Cuz im acthually giving a lore friendly doomfist headcanon over there

[past copper]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself

[green pike]

Thats what i thought

No answer

[past copper]

Whatever you say Rachel Zegler

[green pike]

Ok arabic muslim weeb RyuNinja189

[past copper]

American. But thinks for exposing your education level kid

[green pike]

Yeah sure american-arabic muslim weeb

Not a novelty

[misty walrus]

canon

[elfin bane]

most canon shit ever

i believe doom is pro life

i actually love this theory the more i think about it

wait the guy got muted wtf

that was not shitposting

[peak escarp]

it was

it wasn't the headcanon that was shitposting, but how they presented it

[elfin bane]

oh

makes more sense

[peak escarp]

also they probably got muted for the namecalling

[elfin bane]

also makes sense

i sent that before reading all the messages

[ashen panther]

Nothing to discuss if there isn’t lore anymore

Well beside Honzo being emo now instead of him getting over he killed his own brother

And how genji and hanzo knew Kirko when they were younger

[grand wedge]

And that he joined forces with Kiriko after she saved him from the Hashimoto.

[ashen panther]

I forgot about that

[distant hamlet]

doom fist would let the baby be born just to throw it in a river. if it swims you raise it

[kind ore]

Your brother Genji, whatever happened there

[peak escarp]

there is still lore

the last new lore was only a month ago

both new as in "lore we didn't know before" and new as in "the most recent story development"

[violet crystal]

ram is dead in lore

his corpse leaked

mf got railgun'd

[gusty mason]

Ykw what would be sick, Ram’s mythic being that battle worn one or something akin to it

Railgun hole and all

[fossil wren]

He is not dead

The clothes he wore in that model were from his time as a monk

It was more likely part of a flashback

The last thing we know about Ram was him observing the Shambali Monastery from the distance in the Christmas comic

[peak escarp]

a shot like that wouldn't kill him anyway

[opaque tundra]

You can literally see the dents on his chest and burns on his scarf thing on the skin

[spare fox]

I mean, obv Ram isn't dead but isn't that what killed Mondatta? Not specifically a railgun but a shot to the chest?

[peak escarp]

in some versions it was a headshot

[spare fox]

in both Alive and London Calling it was a chest shot, how many other versions are there?

[peak escarp]

it zoomed in on his face in Alive

implying a headshot

Masquerade also shows a headshot

[spare fox]

nah in Alive just a few frames after that when he falls his head is intact

and that shot from masquerade is like he got shot in the chest that's how you fall with force exerted on the chest, idk why the Widow perspective is real wonky though

[peak escarp]

I'm just saying, it's unclear

they've shown it both ways

and of course they're not going to show his head blown open

[shell yew]

I’m pretty sure that it’s meant to be a headshot but obviously as a pegi 12 rated they aren’t allowed explicit violence due to the younger fanbase and even though mondatta is a robot he’s humanoid which would cause a lot of problems with the games rating as it’s an assassination with a sniper rifle, of an important political figure

While it is almost certainly a headshot it would’ve caused more problem than it solved due to its similarity’s to another historical incident involving a sniper rifle and an important political figure

So they just left it vague

[elfin bane]

why keep important shi in the head of robots when it can be anywhere

real question btw

[spare fox]

I mean... sure maybe they showed him getting hit in the chest because they didn't want to show him getting headshot....

or maybe he just died from getting shot in the chest

[elfin bane]

is there a reason other than to resemble human structures

[shell yew]

It’s to make them feel more human and actually make the human robot bond realistic, plus you hear it from the bible that god created humans in his own image, so why if humans started making sentient beings would then not be humanoid, I mean you see it everywhere with humanoid robots

[peak escarp]

just because they're humanoid doesn't mean their vital systems have to be in their head

or their chest

it could be in their groin if we wanted

I don't remember what story/movie it was in, but there was one story where it was a twist plot point that the vital systems were in the chest and shooting them in the head did nothing

oh yeah - the recent horror movie Companion

anyway, even if omnics' vitals are in the chest, the hypothetical railgun shot to the torso seen in that Ramattra concept wasn't enough to kill him

[median pawn]

is everyone Like to DM Me You Can

[livid tangle]

Reinhardt and ana aren't canonically together?

[grand wedge]

It’s not confirmed anywhere in canon, no.

[livid tangle]

WHATTTTTT

I'm astonished i thought this entire time they were a cute couple

[grand wedge]

They do look like it.

But Ana and Rein have just met again in canon right now (in the last christmas comic)

And Ana was married then divorced with Sam English, Phara’s father

[frigid stirrup]

*father

[grand wedge]

yeah thanks x)

[rare trail]

they arent but theyre flirty in vvoicelines iirc

[ember harness]

Null Sector and Talon work together???

[peak escarp]

seems like it

although Talon is stealing tech from Null Sector behind their back

[ember harness]

But Talon killed Mondatta and Ramattra is Null Sector so how Ramatra sees that?

Talon killed his master

[normal remnant]

does anyone know what tracer means by "turning green was a disaster" in the london calling comic?

[grand wedge]

Turning Green was a project of building a district in London where omnics would live

but nul sector attacked and kidnapped Mondatta, so it never happened

[normal remnant]

thank u

[grand wedge]

ouch, the screenshot is awfull, sorry

[normal remnant]

where do they talk abt it?

[grand wedge]

here : https://youtu.be/B5wDV8x6w7s

only for omnics, i misremembered

[normal remnant]

thanks!

[grand wedge]

you're welcome!

[peak escarp]

Ramattra believes that Mondatta betrayed his cause by denouncing Null Sector after the King's Row uprising, so he wouldnt be too upset about Mondatta being assassinated

[ember harness]

Omfg really??? Where can I see this lore??

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/ramattra-reflections/

[ember harness]

Thanks

[fossil wren]

I really doubt he even knows that Talon killed Mondatta, Also as Six already said Ramattra felt betrayed by Mondatta since the Shambali monks condemned the actions of Null Sector and called them terrorists

However this is certainly justified, all of Mondatta efforts were ruined by Ramattra and his extremist vision of freedom for the omnics

[ember harness]

This is kind of sad

[fossil wren]

Ramattra tried the diplomatic route it didn't work so let the weapons be the ones who free the omnics

[normal remnant]

what are these "post rio journal" and "post toronto journals" on tracers intel database?

idk what he og source was for these, just saw them on the wiki

[peak escarp]

they're in the lore database found in the Missions menu in the game

you unlock them by playing missions

[normal remnant]

ahh

[crude mesa]

i’m speaking lore trust

[ember harness]

I think it's more complex than that, that resume sounds very childish

[leaden hornet]

ram didnt try hard enuff

bro needs 2 invest moar points into his charisma

[fossil wren]

It's more complex, it's just a quick resume

[fossil wren]

Ramattra initially believed in Mondatta and the Shambali, however their lack of progress in finding a way for humans and omnics to coexist began to disappoint him, Eventually Ramattra stopped believing in the idea that peaceful coexistence was possible and start thinking that omnics should look out only for themselves, developing his hatred for humanity and abandoning the monastery shortly after that since he no longer believed in Mondatta's vision

[pallid garden]

Are there any heros that released with the game without cinematics

[lone summit]

To the sigma who just solo ulted me out of my cover when i played widow just for me to get rezed right after
I hope you get ur throat slit in ur sleep

[lone summit]

Fuck those omnics

those damn bots

Mondatta deserved it

Widow shoulda shot him twice

[fossil wren]

I'm going to pretend I didn't see that

And I'll keep my comments to myself

[elfin bane]

racism

[ember harness]

[spare fox]

Most of the release roster didn't have cinematics or origen stories. For origen stories only soldier, Tracer, and Junkrat/Roadhog got origen stories

The release cinematics were Alive, Dragons, Hero, and Recall

This is for OW1

[normal remnant]

At this point in the lore is it common knowledge among the cast that widowmaker was Gerard's wife or is it still only ana? I think mercy and sojourn have voice lines but idk how canon those are
If it's not widely known then which of the characters do know and how did they find out?

[peak escarp]

Ana probably told Cassidy when she met with him, and he told the rest of Overwatch when they rejoined Winston

[elfin bane]

do you guys think they would ever save widow in the lore or will the game stop them because all her voice lines and stuff

as in would drastic events be not explored in the lore because it’s also a video game

[distant hamlet]

i think there’s hints that she’s not as empty as we’d believed her to be but i don’t think she deserves to be saved

[cerulean falcon]

why is lifeweaver wanted in 17 different countries??

[halcyon nest]

he stole biolight tech from Vishkar and gave it away for free

[cerulean falcon]

what’s that?

[halcyon nest]

Biolight is the thing he uses to heal teammates, Its advanced tech that fuses plant life with hard light

[frigid stirrup]

He didn't invent hardlight but he invented biolight iirc

And I'm pretty sure his right hand (that he uses for Blossom and Thorn Volley) is a prosethic and not a glove, so he's doesn't have two hands

[spare fox]

Vishkar most definitely has predatory proprietary clauses up the wazoo in their contracts with employees - it's even a problem here in the past - where if you work and are trained by a company, they have the right to claim ownership over anything you create while employed by them and usually up to 6 months to 5 years after employment ends with them

It's complete bullshit but they have the money and wave upon wave of lawyers I'm sure

'They' as in Vishkar

Tldr: Lifeweaver developed a healing technology out of 'living' hard light that Vishkar developed, using skills he learned from Vishkar, so Vishkar wants to sell it for profit, so Lifeweaver bailed, now Vishkar is claiming he stole from them

[cerulean falcon]

oh okay

[cerulean falcon]

what’s hard light?

wait

hard light is what makes the healing light up so it can work properly?

[spare fox]

Hard light is a vishkar-developed technology that basically uses light created by their architects and technology to create objects

Symmetra is the hero that originally used hard light tech. She is a prodigy at Vishkar and former roommate of Lifeweaver. They just rekindled their friendship

[cerulean falcon]

That’s good

[cerulean falcon]

why is widow purple

[loud marsh]

Looking up an overwatch lore video and watching that should give a lot of answers

[opaque tundra]

Heart was slowed down so that she would be a more efficient killer and it turned her skin purple. Read her bio on the website

[cerulean falcon]

yeah i have alot of questions

.

[cerulean falcon]

yeah but this is the lore channel

i can also get lots of answers

[spare fox]

I'm all for valid questions

it's better than the incessant "which hero is strongest in lore?" questions

[opaque tundra]

Those are so annoying. I want more nuanced questions that spark actually interesting debates. Like how omnic aging works, or what’s up with the conspiracy

[quartz mural]

Guys, genuine question here. Do you guys think Oasis knows Moira is a part of Talon? It's pretty implied that she's connected to them both but do they know she's a member of Talon? Talon members probably know she's an Oasis minister because it's not something to be able to be hidden

[wanton rover]

Sigma

[elfin bane]

i would guess not because i think oasis isn’t evil and would prolly fire her but also thats completely me guessing

[peak escarp]

Oasis doesn't really care if their members do sketchy things in their free time

they're all about scientific progress without restriction

Moira is already disgraced in the scientific community

[fossil wren]

Moira: There is always room for brilliance at Oasis.
Lifeweaver: I'm honored, but I have some reservations about your... Oh, what's the word?
Moira: Atrocities? Inhumanity? "Crimes against nature"?
Lifeweaver: Any of those will do.

That interaction between Weaver and Moira I think is the best example

[normal remnant]

On eichenwalde there's like a poster in spawn I think that has "<3 I D H" in a grid written on top of it, what's it mean?

[peak escarp]

it's a tribute to German esports player Dennis "InternetHulk" Hawelka, who played on and coached several early Overwatch esports teams. He passed away in 2017.

[normal remnant]

That's so sweet, thank u

[peak escarp]

there's quite a few tributes in the game that honor notable players who have died

[normal remnant]

It's nice that they do that

[peak escarp]

he died the day before Overwatch launched

there's also a couple make-a-wish things in the game, added to honor a child's dying wish

a Junkrat spray, and the snowglobe on Ecopoint: Antarctica that says "Grey"

[frigid stirrup]

That spray looks like it's from 2005

It's nice that it sticks out

[spare fox]

It's very Rick and Morty lol

And that snowglobe was an INFURIATING mystery when it was added during The Great Dry Spell without explanation

[fallow mantle]

Did someone previously say that Freja was 28...

because, if so, she is 34 now

[peak escarp]

a dev said it during Spotlight, they must have misremembered

34 is much more appropriate for someone who was a child during the crisis

[blazing fulcrum]

or retconned

[spare fox]

It's not a retcon sheesh she never had an official age until today

[merry mason]

Well it could have been an “ internal retcon” or whatever you would call that, but that’s just part of the story making process.

[spare fox]

why is there such an obsession with being all "gotcha" with retcons?

and again this isn't a retcon, they never said her age before today

can I also just say, gency shippers are eating well this season

[grand wedge]

The major OW retcon is Cassidy’s former name.
And Sojourn age, they had to edit her bio to make her older.

[peak escarp]

and D.Va being a Starcraft pro

although that was only true in the beta

[merry mason]

I’m not gotcha-ing anybody

[minor musk]

that's how he died?

[normal remnant]

is it too early to ask about stadium map lore (specifically place lacroix)?

[merry mason]

There’s a teaser for the second-to-next hero in the colosseum map

[peak escarp]

Place Lacroix probably has ties to Gerard Lacroix

Widowmaker's husband

[normal remnant]

what exactly is place lacroix? i didnt get a proper look at the map because i was getting rolled lol

[peak escarp]

load up a replay and you can look around in freecam

[normal remnant]

i can see like a flower shop, apartment complex/hotel, a cafe/bakery with a bar or restaurant under it, "collection lacroix" referring to the paintings i think (the only painting i really recognise is a van gogh one) if anyone was interested

im not sure what like Place Lacroix means, is it like the area is linked to gerard's family? like they owned it?

also theres those same like box things with sheets over them as in the paris map, do we know what those even are?

[peak escarp]

Place Lacroix means what it sounds like - Lacroix's place

[grand wedge]

« Une place » un french is a square. So it’s more « Lacroix Square »

[normal remnant]

so did the lacroix family just own that area?

[grand wedge]

It’s hard to own a public space tbh.
I feel it’s more to sound like Chateau Guillard / Place Lacroix, but a square can be named after some people who accomplished something. Could have been named after Gerard or after an ancestor of his

[normal remnant]

it looks like they might have owned/donated some of the paintings? Do you think the area got it's name from that or something

In gratitude or whatnot

[peak escarp]

maybe

[hushed jetty]

GERARD LORE you say???

i shall have to look around the map

[bold fern]

enranged winton and doom in lore: Both are on par

Enranged winton ingame:50 dmg
Doom normal punch:75 dmg (no walls)

[merry mason]

Is there a lore reason why stadium mode is treated like a sport?

[spare fox]

No, just like the rest of the PvP game it's non canonical

[worthy rose]

Not sure if this actually counts as lore for this channel but does anyone know who's actually in the hollow hearts besides dva and moira?

[peak escarp]

they implied we might get more info on Dokiwatch at midseason