lore-discussion

[vague hound]

so they count

[fossil wren]

Kiri has its own faction

[vague hound]

and JQ counts because she knows hog and rat

[peak escarp]

that's reaching

[vague hound]

yeah defintiely im js saying because she knwos someone that is it counts

[rare trail]

hog and rat arent in ow or talon?

[fossil wren]

No

[vague hound]

i didnt say they were i said they werent hunted by

[rare trail]

but uh okay

[fossil wren]

They are supposedly affiliated with the Junkers

[vague hound]

again, i never said they were

[fossil wren]

But JQ doesn't like them

[vague hound]

sure, but she knows them

[fossil wren]

So they are on their big adventures and robberies

[peak escarp]

the Junkers weren't hunted by OW, they were just wanted globally

[vague hound]

i agree it is a reach lol im js taking every possible thread i can grab to try to give everyone a connection

[rare trail]

for people that
-arent in overwatch or talon
-didnt used to be in overwatch or talon
-dont know someone whos in overwatch or talon
-dont know hog or rat

there are three characters

four actually

[vague hound]

"youll never take me alive!"- JR when killing a member of OW

[peak escarp]

voice lines are hypothetical, not strict canon

Junkrat is a wanted criminal, OW was a peacekeeping force

[vague hound]

exactly.
im happy with that
not sure why im arguing actually i agree with most of what is being said lol

[fossil wren]

My biggest problem with PVE being cancelled is that we never knew how this was going to go

[rare trail]

theres been 10 added in ow2

3/10 is like a good ratio especially when you have to like add new people who don't know anyone to expand the world

[peak escarp]

I want to know what they had planned for the Antarctica missions

[vague hound]

yeah fr that kinda never got resolved after meis whole thing

[fossil wren]

I doubt Null Sector so probably something related to Talon

Maybe Moira?

[vague hound]

yeah i just like to make broad overgeneralizations based on feelings

[peak escarp]

Ramattra's omnium is in Antarctica

the Polar skins were intended for a PvE mission there

[vague hound]

ohhhhhh

cree's polar skin was so underwhelming for a battle pass skin tbh

unless it was in free BP

idk i paid

[peak escarp]

also his omnium may be what caused the atmospheric anomaly that sent Mei's team into hibernation

[fossil wren]

Circuit Royal was going to be a map, Poor Max OW really didn't leave him alone

[rare trail]

does orisa know ow peolpe now i dont remember

i ddint read her heroes ascendant thing

[peak escarp]

yes

[fossil wren]

Yeah

[rare trail]

ty

[peak escarp]

she and Efi joined Overwatch

[vague hound]

wasnt meis mission pre-omnic crisis? i find it hard to think someone would care about the environment when death by robot is looming

[fossil wren]

She recently joined with Efi

[peak escarp]

it was 9 years before Recall/11 years before OW2

the omnic crisis was 28 years ago

[vague hound]

so... not pre-omnic crisis
cool

wait so she was only in hibernation for like 9 years?

[peak escarp]

yep

9 years is a long time

Overwatch fell apart during that time

[vague hound]

yeah guess so

[fossil wren]

What the hell was Ashe doing to make OW go after her?

😭

[rare trail]

9 chars total arent affiliated with junkers, ow, or talon
of those chars 5 are from ow2 and 4 are from ow1
but also keep in mind that like its hard to add a new ow agent who hasnt been in anything else now yk like theres not much room in the lore to have people we dont know in known groups

[vague hound]

arms trafficking is a pretty big deal

[peak escarp]

weapons trade, smuggling, etc.

[vague hound]

okay but still like summoner support max? 🥺

[rare trail]

uhh echo ? but that was ages ago im not sure when this map was made

[marble charm]

I mean she literally tried to steal the most

[fossil wren]

OW 2 trailer

[rare trail]

is that not below overwatches pay grade

[marble charm]

Advanced Robot on the planet

Ashe was a thug but she was

A big time thug

[rare trail]

ohh

[vague hound]

depends on magnitude i think. seems like ashe had some pretty high level stuff goin on

[peak escarp]

Overwatch already did sting operations against the Deadlock Gang - that's how Cassidy was recruited

[rare trail]

yeahh ig

[marble charm]

It's also like

Literally overwatches job

[rare trail]

im ont super clear on how much exactly ashe steals we havent had much lore on her

[peak escarp]

clearly they saw them as a threat

[marble charm]

To know everything

[fossil wren]

Ilios sounds more like Talon than Null Sector

Busan would be an interesting map

[rare trail]

busan IS an interesting map

[fossil wren]

Especially if Gwishin and Null Sector were cooperating

[vague hound]

arms trafficking is an international crime if it crosses borders
i might not know the lore that well but i do know law and federal gov doesnt have jurisdiction on that, you NEED an international organization to prosecute and get it fully shut down
domestic forces can charge for domestic crimes but that only takes care of one side of the ring yk

[peak escarp]

I wonder if Deadlock ever did business with the Shimada family

[fossil wren]

Sending Cassidy is enough

[peak escarp]

they're both in the same business

[vague hound]

probably, there isnt much room for giant crime orgnaizations to operate without running into each other

[peak escarp]

I can just imagine Ashe sending a condolences card when Sojiro got killed

[marble charm]

Cassidy is a top dog tbf

[marble charm]

☠️

[fossil wren]

Maybe not with the Shimadas but with the Hashimotos

[native gulch]

No ram skins, no venture skins, no Illari skins (where’s my dark souls collab giving her Solaire’s armor, Bliz?)

[vague hound]

since they were on seperate continents they likely didnt fight over territory but rather co-operated to sell in each others domains (minus a good chunk of money of course as a fee)

[fossil wren]

Ashe being totally honest is pretty weak in the lore

She's just a girl with a rifle

[marble charm]

Yea

[vague hound]

likely both imo.
no time for loyalty in the underworld outside of your own organization. if they got money and they arent trying to kill you, you're doing business.

[native gulch]

You vastly underestimate how many people think Ram is hot shit

Mostly because of his voice

[fossil wren]

||like myself||

[rare trail]

i mean cass is just a guy with a revolver

[vague hound]

i said young straight males
young straight males will not care how sexy his voice is
and yes, his voice is sexy

[fossil wren]

HE IS THE GUY

[rare trail]

i mean lowkey,,,,

[native gulch]

I’m ace so I’m not about that life but I recognize a coward when I see one /lh

[marble charm]

Cass is also like one of the best marksmen on the entire planet though

[fossil wren]

Cassidy is a really good gunslinger

That's why Reyes recruited him

[marble charm]

And that was when he was 17

[peak escarp]

and that was when he was 17

lol

[marble charm]

HA

[fossil wren]

Lol

[peak escarp]

jinx

[marble charm]

NO

[rare trail]

people get slow wwhen theyre older fr fr

[fossil wren]

Meanwhile Ashe

Well

[rare trail]

and bobot arm

[fossil wren]

Shes pretty

[rare trail]

actually idk if robot arm would help or hurt

[marble charm]

Yea

[vague hound]

im glad i looked up what lh means before responding to this

[rare trail]

probably help? precision maybe ?

[peak escarp]

anyway, if he was good enough to impress Reyes at 17, he must really be impressive after getting mentoring from Ana Amari too

just watch Reunion

[marble charm]

Yea 100%

[native gulch]

Oh yeah what’s up with that? Shouldn’t they have stopped kicking around when Anubis was sealed?

[marble charm]

I mean what in current time he's probably only second to Widowmaker

[peak escarp]

different group

the Siberian omnics are fighting on their own

[fossil wren]

Cass really cooked Ashe and Deadlock

[vague hound]

ana and ashe still are damn good shots
love to see an olympic style shooting competition between the 4 of em

[fossil wren]

Ashe is not that good

[rare trail]

i mean like

we've seen her in action what once

and once when she had to lose

[marble charm]

Yea I think

[vague hound]

idk man maybe she was having an off day

[marble charm]

Ana has slowed down too much

[rare trail]

• deadlock rebels idk how that is

[marble charm]

It's widow then Cassidy

In terms of sheer accuracy

At least imo

[vague hound]

sheer accuracy when your on top of a roof 500 yards away is a lot different than accuracy when youre getting shot at

[native gulch]

Cass could’ve probably done Olympic shooting if he cared

[fossil wren]

Are Gwishin and the Siberian Omnics led by a god program or are they just fighting because they can fight humanity?

[rare trail]

hmmm

[fossil wren]

They don't seem to have a clear leader unlike Null Sector

[vague hound]

ive been to shooting ranges, and ive been shot at before
let me tell ya its a lot easier to aim in one of those situations than the other (although i never got a chance to shoot back so i guess i'll never know if i was gonna miss or not)

[fossil wren]

Although it would be interesting if we get more omnic leaders

[rare trail]

wait what the fuck 😭 youve been shot at???

[marble charm]

Mondattas ghost

[vague hound]

i lived in a major city in the united states of america in a poor neighorhood
its a more common occurence than you'd think

[rare trail]

chat who do we think cassidy beats and loses to in ow

i think he hard loses to like dva reaper rein mauga doom orisa winston sigma zarya duh but like what else

[rare trail]

oh that sucks

sorry you got shot at that sounds um not fun

[marble charm]

Realistically almost every dps loses a 1v1 to a tank in universe

[rare trail]

yeahh

[native gulch]

I’m not sure why another god program would do that considering they worked against Anubis during the crisis

[fossil wren]

Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[rare trail]

theres some stronger ones like reaper echo sym but most dps lose to tanks

[fossil wren]

Except Ramattra

[rare trail]

genji vs cass thoughts

[vague hound]

i mean like cree doesnt have any hard counters really but anyone that can out range his tiny little falloff beats him usually so like hanzo, widow, ashe, even soldier

[fossil wren]

Ramattra has no feats

[rare trail]

ii mean neither does sigma to be fair

[fossil wren]

(to be fair, neither Sigma)

[marble charm]

We do know that ravagers (just his base form) obliterated human forces though

[fossil wren]

FUCK

[vague hound]

depends on whether flash is on cooldown/gets deflected or not

[fossil wren]

Yeah, but big nemesis form isn't canon

[rare trail]

i think genji? but like idk we've only seen him deflect things that are relatively slow or very predictable for him

[marble charm]

Oh is it not?

Mb

[vague hound]

oh wait im answering on a gameplay level

not a lore level

myb

[marble charm]

Lore level is probably genji

[fossil wren]

None of Ramattra abilities are

[marble charm]

Genji has like

[rare trail]

like the scatter arrows in dragons are slower than bullets and in zero hour that was super predictable

[marble charm]

Teleportian level speed

[vague hound]

in game it really depends on flash and deflect CDs tho lol

[marble charm]

In the Dragons short

[rare trail]

does he??

what does he even do tahts that fast

he might dash? idr

[native gulch]

considering the shit he's deflected and reacted to before, Genji probably has it

[rare trail]

does he like move a large distance offscreen or something

[marble charm]

He basically teleports as he leaves

[native gulch]

the mf also kicks off air

[fossil wren]

If they have a leader it would be interesting to know who

[marble charm]

And we also see him like appear and disappear during the approach at the start or the scene

He's genuinely

Insanely fast

[vague hound]

nah fr lmao make his double jump make sense

[rare trail]

ok well like obvs his disapperance into the feather and smoke is done for effect not to show he can teleport

[native gulch]

I mean he is actually kicking off air, like that's a thing he does

as in he is thrusting a leg so hard the air might as well be concrete

[vague hound]

yes but like you cant... DO that
i guess if his robo-legs had the ability to hit the air SO HARD it has surface tension

[native gulch]

same principle as applying enough force to water it may as well be solid

[vague hound]

yeah exactly anything is solid if you hit it fast enough

well ahrd

f=m*a tho so its mostly fast since his mass isnt gonna change

[native gulch]

for context this shit is also something Toji Zenin pulls repeatedly

[fossil wren]

Robot magic

[native gulch]

Genji is a fast motherfucker

[fossil wren]

proceeds to be one shot by Doomfist

[rare trail]

gases dont really have surface tension

there isnt a surface in air

[native gulch]

yeah well doomfist also reacted to a tracer blink so he's just built different

[fossil wren]

Based solely on Lore who would be the 3 strongest characters for you guys?

[rare trail]

winston orisa mauga :)

i mean any other list is like not lore compliant other than swapping doom for mauga

[vague hound]

agreed, at levels of force that we can physcially achieve within our atmosphere
but it DOES hypothetically if you apply enough force

[native gulch]

what, on the grounds that "they beat/went even with doomfist"?

[vague hound]

like atmospheric re-entry is technically a form of sruface tension in gas

[rare trail]

not went even with :)

BEAT

well mauga

mb

i actually forgor

[native gulch]

yeah mauga didn't win that lol

[fossil wren]

Mauga and Doomfist were tied

[rare trail]

i was thinkning about winsotn and orisa

i didnt mean it fr

[native gulch]

like Winston is way up there

[rare trail]

winston and orisa both beat doom

and mauga is equal to doom

so top 4 there

and sym illari sig lifeweaver but we havent seen any of them like do anything

aside from illari who blew stuff up but there were a lot of circumstances leading to that

and it might not be reproducable

[native gulch]

Doomfist utterly shatters the lore power curve (technically so does sigma but he doesn't fight and I don't see him ever doing so), so anyone who's went at it with doom and not lost does too

[fossil wren]

I put Reaper in 5 ngl

[rare trail]

i agree i agree

[native gulch]

reaper's defo up there yeah

[vague hound]

yeah its kinda the whole super duper gauntlet thing lmao

[peak escarp]

it's hard to make a ranking without being specific about what you mean by "strongest"

[fossil wren]

THE DOOMFIST GAUNTLET

[vague hound]

YESH

[fossil wren]

Whoever named it really meant it

Especially with doom dps

[vague hound]

i think "who would win in a lore accurate 1 on 1 fight" is the baseline

[peak escarp]

strongest physically? with or without weapons? are cybernetics allowed?

[native gulch]

not even that, he's obscenely fast, precise, and had Genji on the ropes, not to mention taking hits from tracer's shots on his bare skin

[rare trail]

generally yes to all 3 i think

[rare trail]

i think they were trying to show his best defense passive with the tracer shots to bare skin

i doubt tracer would use guns that are THAT weak

[peak escarp]

in that case we can only go by what we've seen - Winston has beaten Doomfist twice, Orisa has defeated Doomfist once (with help from Lucio, Efi and her friends), Mauga has fought Doomfist to a draw once, Reaper has gotten wrecked by Winston twice

[rare trail]

reaper is a bumbling buffoon bro

[vague hound]

yeah thats why he doesnt make sense cuz if it was JUST the gauntlet + super cool MMA training thats fine but the taking shots on bare skin is supernatural. does the gauntlet modify the rest of you?

[rare trail]

actually cartoonishly dumb

[vague hound]

now he is but he wasnt always ig

[fossil wren]

Tell that to Jack lmao

[native gulch]

reaper should not be losing some of this

[vague hound]

back when he was reyes

[rare trail]

i mean he has a bunch of other cybernetics

[peak escarp]

Winston has plot armor - any other opponent, and Reaper wins

[vague hound]

oh i dont think i was aware of that

[peak escarp]

maybe even Doomfist

[rare trail]

and i think the shots on bare skin was to show his shield generating passive rather than like an actual thing

[vague hound]

yup thats what i was going to get to, we cant go off the lore alone because plot armor

[vague hound]

OHHH

[fossil wren]

Hadn't Reaper defeated Soldier in a comic?

[peak escarp]

yes

[vague hound]

yeah

[peak escarp]

or would have, if Ana didn't step in

Reaper did shoot him in the back though

[native gulch]

other cybernetics and also just... look, the man punched through a damn wall with his bare hands and didn't have a scratch on him, he's stupidly durable

[rare trail]

the arm he used to punch with is a cybernetic

he lost his arm in the crisis(?)

[fossil wren]

It's as if his fist was the doom

A doomfist...

[native gulch]

I mean in prison, he's alternating fists

like how many feet of concrete is that

[vague hound]

i want reaction perms bc i dont want to reply to this but it deserves acknowledgment. does anyone know how to get them?

[native gulch]

talk a lot

that's it

[vague hound]

oh ok that shouldnt be an issue for me

[peak escarp]

you just have to be active and helpful

and not cause trouble

[vague hound]

the 2nd part might be an issue

[vague hound]

and this part too

[fossil wren]

At least he acknowledges it

[rare trail]

i mean he has cybernetics in both

and i believe the final hit was the cybernetic

[vague hound]

im very self aware or something like that

[fossil wren]

Yeah

[native gulch]

yeah. manz was so salty about not being able to participate in martial arts tournaments he goes and becomes a terrorist

[fossil wren]

He didn't like business life

And being a terrorist he could fight without holding back

[vague hound]

yes, hes an inspiration to us all dreamy sigh

[marble charm]

He also believes in

Evolution through war

[vague hound]

oh yes my fellow darwinist

[marble charm]

Fabricate conflict on both sides to weed out everyone who is weak

[vague hound]

doom is so relatabel

[fossil wren]

If we are honest Doomfist in fact was right

[vague hound]

TY and people call me a sociopath when i say it L(

:(*

[marble charm]

Well not really

Murdering people because they're not a 6'4 genetic freak

Isn't good

[peak escarp]

a lot of technological advances happened because of war

[marble charm]

In dooms idealistic world

We wouldn't exist

[peak escarp]

but that doesn't make Doomfist right

[marble charm]

We're no lifer ow nerds

[native gulch]

he's correct but he's not right. conflict does accelerate growth, but it's specifically competition, not just wars.

[vague hound]

no dont murder them, just make sure they cant reproduce to get their genes out of the pool

[marble charm]

Yes except his method is murde

Murder

But also that isn't

Morally right either

[native gulch]

it's better, however, to encourage that competition in a different way, and no, not capitalism, that can fuck off

[vague hound]

or incentivize the physically and mentally elite to reproduce with each other

[marble charm]

Cool you were born with a disability?

No children allowed

[vague hound]

morals are relative
what is right to me may not necessarily be right to you

[marble charm]

Sorry mate I'm taking your nuts

[peak escarp]

in-universe there are whole forums of people arguing about a conspiracy theory that Strike Commander Jack Morrison didn't actually die when the Swiss HQ exploded, and is hiding in plain sight as the vigilante known as Soldier: 76

[vague hound]

depends if the disablity is heriditary or not

[native gulch]

ah yes, eugenics. something tells me that that's not his shtick. though, I can kind of see Moira saying something like that

[marble charm]

You're 5'8?

[peak escarp]

so people like us would still exist in Overwatch

[marble charm]

Yea I'm chopping your dick off

[native gulch]

phhhht

[fossil wren]

Who would believe such stupidity?

[native gulch]

Soldier goes on one of those forums and says "the butts match"

[marble charm]

Yea it's obvious he died

Watch the tapes

There was even a funeral

You think they'd fake that?

[vague hound]

oh yes moira 100% would
doom will come to see moiras ways tho

[peak escarp]

but you gotta admit, the security footage does kinda look like him

[fossil wren]

Jack was blond brother

[marble charm]

How many blonde himbos do you think worked for overwatch come on now

That's like military guy 101

[marble charm]

Jack Morrison never wore goggles

[fossil wren]

Yeah

[native gulch]

the security footage looks suspiciously like a famous super soldier who's known for being incredibly hard to kill

[fossil wren]

He didn't even wear a mask

[marble charm]

Yea

It's obvious not him

Grow up smh

Let's talk about real conspiracys

Like that guy who fought the robot in numbani

[vague hound]

no because avergae is js kinda left alone
ftr i support eugenics thru incentives not thru disabling of reproductive systems
so basically tell lebron you'll give him like 100 million if he has babies with the chick basketball player or whatever
however the government cant do that in the US bc ppl would flip so have a corporation do it instead

[peak escarp]

you want a real conspiracy? I don't think Winston Overwatch is real

[marble charm]

It was obviously faked by thr government to get more omnic weapon funding

[peak escarp]

I think he's a publicity stunt made up by Overwatch to make people like them again

[fossil wren]

A smart gorilla lmao

[marble charm]

A gorilla with a human brain?

[fossil wren]

What's next? A super-smart hamster?

[native gulch]

also using the name Soldier 76 is like immediately flagging anyone involved with that project that it's him

[marble charm]

What a load of fantasy bullshit

[peak escarp]

any time people saw "Winston" it was some poor underpaid Overwatch intern in a gorilla costume

[native gulch]

that sure is a badass intern...

winston being an intern makes him about to get shot in zero hour so much funnier

[marble charm]

Anyone else think the omnic crisis was started by the world governments to stop us from noticing the truth

[fossil wren]

What truth?

[native gulch]

THERE IS NO FRIDGE! THEY LIED!

[marble charm]

The truth obviously

Fucking sheeple

Isn't it suspicious that overwatch has a bastion unit working for them?

I thought they were the bad guys

[native gulch]

I don't think bastion's actually involved...

[peak escarp]

I didn't think there were any left

[marble charm]

There shouldn't be!

Killed my uncle!!

[native gulch]

mods, we got an omniphobe in here, can we get a mute /j

[fossil wren]

You know what's weird? That masked terrorist who only targets Overwatch agents

[fossil wren]

At least he didn't say the C word

[vague hound]

LMFAOoooo

[marble charm]

I have every right!

They destroyed my family

I haven't seen my aunty in years

My cousins elisted!

They're 6ft under now

[peak escarp]

my family's omnic went to fight in the war and when it came back it didn't want to work anymore

something about having a soul now?

[native gulch]

wow it's almost like they somehow gained sapience and to have it continue working without compensation would be slavery

didn't that mondatta fellow say something about an Aurora person?

[peak escarp]

we can't even get a refund because Omnica went bankrupt

[native gulch]

please, your warranty had probably expired anyway

[vague hound]

Omnica built that thing! I know people who saw them get built. They dont have souls, thats just new-agey nonsense!

[native gulch]

didn't think i'd find zoomers on this site...

[vague hound]

They have about as much soul as i have curcuit boards. And no, I don't have cybernetics.

[vague hound]

I am a member on Gen Z but this is discord, its kinda our thing lol. not sure why you thought you were safe here.
also, how did you know?

[marble charm]

Okay i love this one LOL

[vague hound]

tyyy it took me like 30 sold seconds of thinking to come up with so im glad it has been recongized

recognized*

[native gulch]

"this site" as in the theoretical forum this would be on

[fossil wren]

At least Vishkar is helping rebuild my home

[vague hound]

OHHH understood myb i broke character

[fossil wren]

I can't wait to have my new house

[native gulch]

i'm basically trying to hit you with "Ok, boomer"

[fossil wren]

Although they said the project would be delayed a little

[marble charm]

I heard vishkar is involved with arms dealing

Wake up liberals

[vague hound]

Well, clearly you dont live in Rio. I heard they just left entire slums in ruins there! That young DJ man some of the kids like sure wasnt happy.

[vague hound]

AHAHAH i love that lol

[marble charm]

Ohhhh

I get the zoomer joke now.....

[vague hound]

yea i needed it explained too lol dw

[marble charm]

It'd 2070 we're all like 70

[native gulch]

well you see it's because we'd be old as hell by the time OW takes place

[fossil wren]

I'm sure that supposed hacker Sombra told you that

[vague hound]

yuppp

[marble charm]

Who on earth is 'sombra'

[peak escarp]

if I lived to OW's time I'd be almost 90

[fossil wren]

Damn

[marble charm]

What year is ow exactly

[native gulch]

Sombra's known to be a terrible source of information, get real

[peak escarp]

we don't know for sure

[vague hound]

I'd be in my 60s-70 depending on when exactly

[peak escarp]

but my best guess is 2079

[marble charm]

Oh yep

[vague hound]

like 2060-2080 or somewhere in there

[fossil wren]

Holy fuck

I will be in my 70s lmao

[marble charm]

I'd be

73

[fossil wren]

Still young for Fortnite

Wait

So Soldier was a skibidi toilet child? 😭

[marble charm]

LOL

[vague hound]

I'd be around 71-72 depending on what month it would be

[vague hound]

LMFAO NOOO DUDE

wait

so Ana is around our age... right now?

[native gulch]

nah he's too late probably

Reyes, however

[peak escarp]

if OW2 is set in 2079 and Soldier is 58... he was born in 2021

[fossil wren]

LMAO

HE WAS A SKIBIDI TOILET KID

[vague hound]

Ana's 62 so like 2018-19ish

math not fun

[marble charm]

Soldier is somewhere

[peak escarp]

Jack was an ipad kid

[marble charm]

Around here

[fossil wren]

Holy fuck

[marble charm]

Playing fortnite

That's mad

[native gulch]

Jack was an ipad kid and Reyes probably got access to Tumblr way too early in his life

[fossil wren]

Sigma probably said things like: What the sigma

[vague hound]

tumblr kinda dead but i remember being like 9-10 on there

[fossil wren]

😭

[peak escarp]

little Reinhardt Wilhelm out there vibing to David Hasselhoff

[vague hound]

reyes seems more like a 4chan guy tho

[fossil wren]

Bro didn't play fortnite og

😭

[peak escarp]

he plays the 2030 remaster

[fossil wren]

He played chapter 4 og

😭

[native gulch]

Reinhardt was introduced to fromsoft at a young age and thought it was the coolest shit

[vague hound]

Sigma, the oldest in the game, is 64
i found a source saying overwatch takes place around 2074-76. so sigma was born in 2010 or 2012 possibly

note that the source was generative AI

[fossil wren]

Bro was a tiktok kid

[vague hound]

so may not be super reliable

[peak escarp]

[native gulch]

fuck AI

all my homies hate AI

[vague hound]

ehh its pretty accurate on most things tbh

[fossil wren]

Reinhardt definitely played a lot of Elden Ring

[peak escarp]

don't trust AI for lore

[vague hound]

not sure why erb hates it so much its a great tool

[peak escarp]

don't even trust the wiki

[native gulch]

or period

[native gulch]

ok but the wiki is actually atrocious

[peak escarp]

always go to a primary source when possible

[vague hound]

now that i can get behind bc it pulls from ALL available sources, most of which are gonna be dumbasses like us.
so it likely took the mid range of all guesses from the OW forusm and reddit and stuff

which statistically is probably pretty accurate

[native gulch]

he probably played more Nightreign or a future fromsoft game

[vague hound]

so im gonna go with that honestly

[peak escarp]

most of the people on the forums don't know the lore very well

[fossil wren]

People on the forums and reddit are mostly horny motherfuckers

[vague hound]

mmm yeah i suppose thats true
it also did link some stuff straight from OW devs and stuff but again my guess is that it took the mean of all the guesses it found

[peak escarp]

if you want to learn the lore for yourself, I have it all linked in my masterlist

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit?usp=sharing

[vague hound]

nah not really the game forums are pretty great. reddit probably horny mfs
rip thiccbuddha tho havent seen her on the forums in too long... ahh, over 20k posts... and gone 😦

[native gulch]

y'know i'd love to do voicework for a character in this game because a lot of these characters have neat stuff going on but A: no prior experience (yet) and B: Blizzard

[marble charm]

Neeeerrrd

[peak escarp]

🤓

[native gulch]

Qweg you're in the lore channel of an overwatch server

[peak escarp]

they don't call me the lore warlord for nothing

[vague hound]

dude
ur a badass

[peak escarp]

not a dude

but thanks

[vague hound]

dudette
ur a badass
(i personally use dude as a catchall for humans regardless of biological stuff)

[peak escarp]

(I know, just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't a guy)

[vague hound]

(i did not, i assumed incorrectly that only one of my fellow basement dwelling males with weird political ideologies and pent up angst that spends too much time on the internet would have the time and effort required to compile that list. thank you for correcting my subconcious sexism)

[past copper]

You know something, missed opportunity with Freja

She would have fit perfectly into the Norse theme

Too bad she was released too late for it

[peak escarp]

they've done late skins for other themes

like Ultrawatch Hanzo

[past copper]

True. Maybe Freja will get a Norse based skin legendary

Also, anyone else notice this?

Cool to see not every branch of Overwatch isn’t just all blues

[native gulch]

that's Emre isn't it? not Reyes?

[past copper]

Literally not what I pointed out

I was referring to the different uniforms for their respective branches

Don’t know if Ecopoint has any specific uniforms themselves

I would imagine that maybe the polar skins are examples of possible uniforms, but I don’t know

[fossil wren]

Nerd

[azure flint]

need this for a skin

for freja

[dense nebula]

I mean she’s literally named after the Valkyrie Queen

[native gulch]

that's frigg

Freya was beauty, cats, love, fertility, and the Vanir equivalent to Valhalla, Folksvangr

[modern ridge]

Is anyone having problems with the ow servers I been dc a lot since the beginning of the Season or is it just me? N does anyone know how to fix it

[peak escarp]

so you're saying Freja needs a cat skin

[wanton rover]

WE NEED MORE SIGMA LORE

[hollow marlin]

Agreed

[modest berry]

Chat genuinely asking but i just got into ow and who the hell is aurora and anubis

[grand wedge]

Anubis was the AI that was asked to take care of the environment/ecology. It decided that killing humans was the way to go to save the planet

Aurora was an omnic created by Mina Liao that was « born » sentient

[grand wedge]

You should watch this mini-series to know more :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIYMn8eDskg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC0vBOpFLFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5_5aYk4WMo

[modest berry]

Whoaa

Insane alrightt thank you

[modest berry]

Oh ramattras unit being created for this?

[grand wedge]

Yes, Anubis created and designed R-7000 units for this purpose and to lead all omnics to war

[native gulch]

Dear god no

[peak escarp]

what? the black cat skins from a couple seasons ago were cute

[worthy rose]

We need more furry skins in general

The dragon skin for JQ was dope

And wolf 76

[fossil wren]

we

need

more

ramattra

skins

[potent briar]

Yes

[echo lynx]

ANY ARAB

[vast swift]

anubis was the rouge AI that forced the omnics to fight back against humanity, and humans saw one omnic, just 1, who was never corrupted by anubis, aurora, so they went to nepal (i think) to get her, and she did something and it freed omnics at the cost of aurora's life

[vast swift]

Is R-7000 rammatras model

[grand wedge]

Yes.

R-7000 or commonly called « Ravager »

Surprisingly, there are 3 known Ravagers in the lore : one in a music band (poster in Midtown), Revel (the Phreak’s bodyguard) and Ramattra.

[quaint moon]

Who wants to see wide Ramattra

[fossil wren]

The ravagers were heavily persecuted after the crisis

Most of them were destroyed

[ember harness]

ravagers are so cool

[fossil wren]

Ramattra is one of the few left

[ember harness]

yes

[plain lodge]

Ravagers, my beloved 😞

[mighty zodiac]

What is Ramattra and Zenyatta's relationship like currently? I expected them to be less friendly but they seem pretty close

[fossil wren]

They don't talk to each other anymore

[mighty zodiac]

just recently started playing again and ramattras a badass so i've been maining him

[fossil wren]

What happens in in-game interactions is not canon

[mighty zodiac]

mannn i wish they finished the pve 😭

the little cutscene with the two of them was so cool

wish we could get more of that

[fossil wren]

Zenyatta is traveling the world imparting the teachings of the Shambali monks

While Ramattra is busy as the leader of Null Sector, they havent spoken since Ramattra left the monastery

In the Christmas comic Ramattra watched the temple from the distance while Zenyatta was with Lifeweaver and Symmetra

[mighty zodiac]

how is ow lore even expected to progress now w/o story mode

comics?

[fossil wren]

Comics

Short stories

[mighty zodiac]

better than nothing i guess

[peak escarp]

comics, shorts, novels, short stories

same as it did before PvE

[mighty zodiac]

before that we got cinematics that progressed the story somewhat

now the cinematics are just character intros

if not ads

[peak escarp]

and we can get those again

[fossil wren]

The most recent was the short story of soldier, right?

[peak escarp]

they never said they'd never make another one

[mighty zodiac]

i guess but my hopes arent high

[peak escarp]

optimism is free bud

[fossil wren]

Although, how canon is the Christmas comic? It doesn't make much sense to me

[peak escarp]

sad lonely Ramattra

[fossil wren]

He asked for it ngl

[peak escarp]

true

[peak escarp]

how so?

[fossil wren]

Didn't JQ hate Roadhog and Junk? So why are they together in the Christmas comic?

Maybe I just think about it too much

[peak escarp]

read "A Friendly Rivalry"

that short story shows their relationship

she doesn't really hate them, just thinks they're a nuisance

[fossil wren]

What is Sombra implying with this gift? That Sigma should wear shoes?

[peak escarp]

gotta keep his toes warm

[fossil wren]

Bro looks genuinely confused lmao 😭

[peak escarp]

I wonder if she knit them herself

I like to think she did

[fossil wren]

Wait

The guy who appears with Mauga is his father?

[peak escarp]

yes

[shrewd quarry]

overwatch

[wanton rover]

Overwatch lore

[grand wedge]

Yes, I know. Which is why I find it interesting that they showed us 3 different Ravagers having different lives, since they were almost extinct.

[keen summit]

mate its still not cancelled

[keen summit]

tbf he likely didnt even epect a gift

[full charm]

Emre is talon

[spare fox]

Yeah? What makes you say that? I'm 50/50 on it myself. It might explain why we haven't heard from Emre since the Recall

[elfin bane]

because havana

[elfin bane]

.

saving this for myself

[cedar shuttle]

I like to think emre has just been hunting talon agents

[rare trail]

wasnt he in masquerade

[spare fox]

There's a "mohawk guy" at the Talon table we don't know if it's Emre or not

[peak escarp]

seems unlikely to me

otherwise Max wouldn't consider him "hard to find"

[nocturne solar]

it's emre

[spare fox]

I don't think Max hired Freja because hecan't find Emre, he wants her to take Emre out and obviously Max can't exactly do that from right across the Talon table while still "holding all the cards" he wants to

[peak escarp]

"eluded my usual personnel" sure sounds like he can't find the guy

it would be weird to say that if they've been in the same room recently

[spare fox]

But he can't have Emre taken out while he's in the same room

And Max's hit seems to be in response to Talon's excessive spending of his (Max's) money

[peak escarp]

is it?

[spare fox]

Those are the pieces we have so far

[peak escarp]

when was that mentioned?

[spare fox]

It's one of his gripes in Pocket King

[peak escarp]

could be unrelated

[spare fox]

I guess

Also, was that chat between Max and Freja before the Hunt cinematic? Bc it mentions a singular target but she brings him 3 in the short

But he also seems to go dark on her, is that after the events of the cinematic?

[grand wedge]

Max give Freja a target > Max ghost her > she kept the cargo/target > Max publish other bounties > Freja does the 3 > cinematic > goes on chase for Emre

[peak escarp]

right

[livid girder]

reyes and morrison can briefly be seen in the comic

[peak escarp]

but still, I think it's unlikely for Emre to be on the Talon council

[livid girder]

i second this

[peak escarp]

also, if Max has been in the same room as Emre recently, why is he still using a 20+ year old photo of him? he could easily get something more recent

[spare fox]

Or he wanted to use a photo of him that Freja (and the viewer) would recognize

It was probably more of a meta-choice

I mean I'm not 100% convinced Emre is a Talon council member but if there's been hits out on him before, it's very believable that he's been extra cautious about remaining untraceable and Max has only run into him occasionally in the past

That and the events of masquerade were ~2 years ago

[grand wedge]

I think that mohawk guy wasn’t supposed to be Emre at first, but the story and writers changed enough for them to make him Emre at some point .

Emre was just a throwaway name for a teaser, but the community reaction to it just forced them do to something about it him and make him more than a name

[peak escarp]

closer to 1 year ago by my estimate but I see your point

[peak escarp]

correct

I wonder when that decision was made

[fossil wren]

S Surely most of you have already seen the first concept of damaged Ramattra, but the second one is interesting (although I don't know how real they are)

If the second one is real then, I KNEW IT TALON IN ANTARCTICA

[azure flint]

stuff that probably will never happen

[fossil wren]

I KNEW IT

[azure flint]

💔

[fossil wren]

Also that doom Skin is really cool

[weary quarry]

Battle worn Ram looks so sick

[azure flint]

need some universal force to get blizzard to lock in with the lore again

[vapid tusk]

is the first called primordial or am i thinking of the greek god one

[fossil wren]

Primordial is different

Primordial ram is red with gold, and uses his base skin as model

Greek is poseidon

[pallid garden]

im kinda confused as to who lucio does and does not know personally

his voice lines seem like hes meeting everyone for the first time aside from orisa

even his voice lines with sym kinda seems like sym doesnt even know what hes talking about half the time

[fossil wren]

Short answer: In-game interactions are not canon and are hypothetical

Who does Lucio know? Probably every member of new Overwatch

Lucio joined Overwatch in PVE missions

[pallid garden]

is there anyone outside of orisa that he knows personally in the comics or something

[peak escarp]

nope

before joining Overwatch, Orisa was the only other hero he had met

and the only heroes Symmetra has met are Zenyatta and Lifeweaver

[native gulch]

i'm rewatching the old animations and reaper doing the murder walk into widowmaker's sightline in Infiltration and her immediately knowing what was up is really funny

[native gulch]

I'd also forgotten how haunting aurora's stare is in genesis

[fossil wren]

Uncanny Valley

[keen summit]

i agree too, cuz how hes framed is discontent with overwatch not valueing their agents and constantly askign perfection, he is against the inhumane way overwatch did certain things so why would he choose the inhumane org

[keen summit]

pre-ow2 he knew only efi and orisa personally while knowing off symmetra cuz vishkar and ofcourse knowing off alot of the other heroes. he also has met doomfist when he broke into his concert

[keen summit]

biggest thing there for me was how incompetent reaper seemed but hey he cant die so whatevs

[fossil wren]

Goofy ahh villains

Reaper is sometimes comically incompetent

[keen summit]

thing is with him u can say "he dont need to react"

but like

reaper had a mech infront of him, winding up an attack for a solid 3 seconds

and just, stood there

[quaint moon]

Yo bro

Ramattras birthday is tomorrow 🗣️ 🔥

[keen summit]

peak

[fossil wren]

peak

[fossil wren]

bro was aura farming

[native gulch]

Reaper either gave zero shits or it was the fight choreography being mid and it’s a lot funnier if both are true

[ember harness]

peak

I love Ramattra

And Zen

I´m pro-omnics

[signal galleon]

What species is widow

[native gulch]

Human? What else would she be?

[signal galleon]

But she’s purple

[native gulch]

Yeah her blood barely flows

She can thank Moira for that

[signal galleon]

Why did u do that to widow Moira

[native gulch]

Because talon needed a sniper and Moira thought it would be really funny if Gerard’s brainwashed wife killed him

And Mondatta I guess

[ember harness]

If her blood barely flows how can see run

[ember harness]

I hate Talon for this

[native gulch]

I don’t think the writing team cares much. It seems to mostly just justify her being purple and not much else

[ember harness]

Lol

Why Widow visited Her husband's grave

[elfin bane]

because she’s still in there (please blizzard please)

[past copper]

They didn’t slow her blood, they slowed her heart

This is to make her a deadlier sniper

Her blue skin a side effect of her conditioning

It means the body isn’t pumping enough oxygen-rich blood

The way Moira did this tho was on a much higher scale. Just low enough not to kill Widowmaker, but enough to make her a proficient sniper

[strange jay]

So the spider thing’s just an aesthetic choice?

[past copper]

Spiders have a relatively slow resting heart rate compared to humans, with rates ranging from 9 to 125 beats per minute

Widowmaker more than likely compares herself to them for a number of reasons. Her slow heart rate and the number of bodies she leaves

Possibly also a hint at her first kill before becoming Talon’s most dangerous sniper

[fossil wren]

Also female spiders especially black widows kill the males

[azure flint]

some new interactions leaked including with freja not sure how yall feel abt leaks tho

[peak escarp]

it's not really leaks if they were in the game

[spare fox]

aforementioned leaks: they're spoiler tagged in this thread for those interested
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/1jm88oq/season_16_datamining_by_cf2iter/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

quite a few lore-heavy voicelines datamined

[past copper]

Hmmm. If we’re being perfectly honest, some things I’m not all too favorably hyped about are the hero bans and map selection for S16

But I’m hoping the rest can… distract from that

Or the scoreboards on the maps. I feel that one kinda ruins the artwork that went into making the maps

[azure flint]

yeah here

i tried to post them all in small text but i got muted lol

[fossil wren]

Reaper is seriously comically incompetent in the animations

[strange jay]

Hey he’s good at eating cookies atleast

[digital linden]

is freja's mother dead

[grand wedge]

Unknown

[spare fox]

Imo, unless otherwise stated in the story or lore, it's safe to assume that parents of heroes are alive or passed away in an unnoteworthy way

[elfin bane]

what i like them it’s only for the stadium game mode so it feels like the hero’s are like put. into this “stadium” where they fight it out for entertainment

[worthy rose]

What is stadium mode?

[elfin bane]

new game mode in s16

what the spotlight vod

[elfin bane]

https://youtu.be/Cf5dPQ7YeE8?si=e6XnWTcUVoe7vs25

[rose fossil]

Is there an updated version

Of an overwatch affiliation chart

[spare fox]

I think Doc posted one here a few days ago

It's a tiermaker chart

[fossil wren]

@rose fossil

Small mistake: Weaver is part of the collective

[serene escarp]

I have a headcanon that in the future anubis is gonna take over and a bunch of omnics (newer and old ones) are gonna get controlled and zenyatta will sacrifice or ascend like aurora once did

[ebon kindle]

Wait this is such a dumb Q but is season 16 next season? I play all the time but I fr have no clue

[shy dagger]

Yes

[rare trail]

i dont think they'd kill offa playable character

[spare fox]

I was thinking it would be Echo, knowing her whole "duplicate" thing. I think Liao, most probably unspoken, was trying to solve the ascendence problem without losing another like she lost Aurora
OR maybe she intended Echo to be another Aurora/copy Aurora to replicate the ascension but either Dr. Liao was killed before going any further or she couldn't bring herself to lose another like Aurora

Not really full theories but just musings

[serene escarp]

Really cool when you think it that way and plus its kinda sad that echos creation will only be to copy other being and never be its own individual.a tragic story

[rose fossil]

Thank you

[fossil wren]

No problem

[wanton rover]

Does sigma like pancakes?

[fossil wren]

That's an excellent question and the answer is, I don't know

[wanton rover]

Are you overwatch?

[fossil wren]

Indeed, Im John Overwatch

A pleasure

[loud marsh]

Considering he is Dutch and pancakes are a common Dutch dinner option, I think so. Although not American pancakes. Dutch pancakes don't have butter or sugar. They're savoury and flat. I assume he had those

[elfin bane]

she isn’t sentient at least

[spare fox]

As far as we know, Aurora was considered sentient because she was so technologically advanced, then it was legally ruled that she was considered sentient legally

[elfin bane]

i meant echo isn’t

[spare fox]

Yeah sorry my point was that Aurora was sentient after the fact of her creation
We know that Echo isn't sentient because Dr. Liao said she wasn't, however I'm wondering if Echo's sentience could have been determined eventually, had Dr. Liao not been killed

[elfin bane]

ahh i see

i that is true

[rare trail]

i mean

liao isnt god

[spare fox]

Yeah it's definitely a big question that could be debated forever on both sides

To me, it seems that "sentience" comes with free will, the power to choose for oneself

Which omnics gained after the ascension

I guess in the context of the world of Overwatch, do we think Echo has free will, despite Dr. Liao's assertion that she is not sentient

And consequently, that assertion came directly from Dr. Liao's logs, from her POV. Dr. Liao could be an unreliable narrator

[vapid tusk]

it may be the fine line between AI learning and sentience

[celest breach]

Do not forget the POEDERSUIKER orrrrr cheese!

[keen summit]

i love how i scroll through lore discussion and see us talking bout Dutch pancakes

[keen summit]

(me who adds hagelslag)

[celest breach]

That’s just a crime 😭 (jk eat whatever u want haha I prefer cheese and bacon on it)

[marble charm]

Easy carry job there....

Saved the game in OT with a 4k when we were down 30 meterd

[keen summit]

i add it ontop, so it melts cuz of the heat

not IN it, that ruins it cuz then u dont have the contrast of the pancake and sweet chocolate in the middle

[toxic kindle]

But not apple slices?!

[keen summit]

does someone have the time to check the watchpoints mentioned in declassified, i cant nr

[grand wedge]

Give me 5 if it’s not too late for you?

[keen summit]

nah no worries

take your time, and if u cant ill check it at home if i remember

[craggy scarab]

i think dva was an ipad kid

[ionic summit]

she was born in 2057. if anything, rein's the ipad kid 😭

[craggy scarab]

real he grew up watching skibidi toilet so did sigma

[grand wedge]

Known Watchpoints are :
Gibraltar
Grand Mesa
Kerguelen
Okeechobee
Kisangani
Xining

And Grímsvötn

[keen summit]

do we know the locations

or just the names

[grand wedge]

Yes there is a map

[keen summit]

can you send that?

(im still not lore reg :((

[grand wedge]

The picture isn’t great >< can’t read the names on Africa (Kisangani) and China (Xining)

Okeechobee is in the Everglades, Florida

Grimsvotn is Iceland

[keen summit]

hmm that could be it then

thanks

[grand wedge]

What were you looking for?

[keen summit]

i dm'd it

[gusty cloak]

Are there any higher powers / godlike entities in overwatch lore? Like kirikos fox? Or is it just some spirit?

[peak escarp]

it's just a spirit

[gusty cloak]

Ah ok

[fossil wren]

no

[gusty cloak]

And no other godlike entities?

[peak escarp]

there's the god programs, but those are man-made AIs that were deactivated when the crisis broke out

[gusty cloak]

Aurora gave a soul to all omnics right? What power was that? And what is zens power? Did he just get it from meditating alot?

[peak escarp]

Aurora was sentient, and that sentience was passed on to all omnics through what was essentially a worldwide patch update

Zenyatta claims that his gifts come from the Iris, which is the anomaly that was created when Aurora shared her sentience

the lore is very vague on what the Iris actually is

[gusty cloak]

Hope they expand on it. Sounds interesting

Thanks for the info. I'm not very well versed in ow lore

[peak escarp]

there's a list of sources in the pins if you want to look more into it

[gusty cloak]

Oh ty

[peak escarp]

there's a 3-part animation called Genesis that explains Aurora's situation

[gusty cloak]

I watched that a while ago

Absolutely love it

I want a whole show like that on ow lore

[fossil wren]

His interaction with Mercy about it is very funny

[elfin bane]

please

it would only bring in more money right

like just do it already

[silent falcon]

Iris

[elfin bane]

are any of the mythic weapons in lore besides dame chance/ the widow one

[azure flint]

no

they aren't canon

[smoky canyon]

the rein skin is from a bonus comic where rein fights through hell

[azure flint]

least i think they aren't

[elfin bane]

you mean not even the widow one is

[smoky canyon]

the rein one is

[elfin bane]

something tells me rein didn’t actually fight through hell and it’s just spinoff type thing

[smoky canyon]

he fights the devil to get back the soul of that other guy that died in the cinematic

[azure flint]

that stuff abt max giving widow her mythic weapon is just flavor text

[elfin bane]

i see

[smoky canyon]

read the comic

[azure flint]

same way most skins arent canon

[past copper]

So how people feelin bout Max’s personal bodyguards?

Notice they’re not your typical Talon ops, but rather omincs similar to BOB

[fossil wren]

That was definitely Reinhardt's crazy imagination while he was sleeping

[native gulch]

Petition for OW characters to get full theme songs ala Guilty Gear Strive

[cedar shuttle]

Would be nice but there's no space for them to play like there is in GG

[native gulch]

Optional PotG music idk

[cedar shuttle]

For the 12 seconds of potg we get? It's wouldn't be worth unfortunately

Maybe if overwatch had background music or an OST but the extent of music you get whilst playing is the fanfare on level up or the lobby music

[fossil wren]

Ramattra theme 🙏

[native gulch]

I said this because I was listening to armorclad faith while playing ram in ranked lol

[fossil wren]

Listen to me

The character theme when using ult

[native gulch]

at least the hypest part of it

[marble charm]

The amount ofnwork it would take to compose like

40 theme songs is ridiculous

[keen summit]

yeah people go "SEE ITS MAGIC" he outright states basically that it isnt

[digital linden]

a good chunk of heroes already have themes on blizzard's spotify

they're just instrumentals though i think

[ionic summit]

We need that song that played during the hazard trailer. The cyberpunk like one. I have not been able to find it so it must be an ow original

[marble charm]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4nnMnc3xcT5YeRAokQ9jqz?si=bkw_WY2DT8qoBNyTgRysGg

Didn't know this but that they do

You've gotta scroll past the map themes first but there's alot down the bottom

[keen summit]

not as good as the ggst songs as they are just from the origin vids iirc

[fossil wren]

Ramattra trailer theme

Is pretty good

Ramattra Origin and Doomfist are really good

[stone pilot]

why is Sombra super kind to Sigma in most of their voice interactions while she seems to despise other Talon agents ?

[peak escarp]

she recognizes that he's being manipulated

[spare fox]

wrong channel

[high verge]

shes empathetic towards him , she doesnt view the other members of talon the same way she views him. he was their experiment

[elfin bane]

wrong channel

bro posted that message every where but the looking for group channel lmao

[past copper]

Just a thought, but I do see a potential collab in Overwatch’s future

DOOM with Soldier: 76 as Doom Slayer

[fluid stump]

Are ramatras powers(?) just the complete opposite of Zenyatta..? Like he drains life while zen gives life.

[marble charm]

In Lore they don't actually have powers

[fluid stump]

Ahh so thats just for the game?

[marble charm]

Yes

[empty seal]

Yk what would a really good idea be for blizzard

A overwatch movie

I think it would be good but that's my opinion

[plush orbit]

I love Juno’s ass

[waxen saffron]

real.

[azure flint]

yoooo

[keen summit]

that was cancelled already

and likely not soon either again as the cass va talked about it last year. cass would defo be added to the cast if there was a movie

[keen summit]

tho it was a dumb discussion in ow i was now wondering
which heroes left would you think join either talon or overwatch, if any

[marble charm]

Do you mean non-affilated heroes

So like Illari, Venture, the Junkers, Ball ect

[keen summit]

yes

ones that arent in one of those

[marble charm]

Well I think I'll Illari is a fun one where there's some Doom interactions that seem manipulative right, and she's not Exactly emotionally stable, so if writers wanted to put her into talon I wouldn't really complain, but joining OW seems more likely now with that soldier panel in the Christmas comic

Venture is obviously just an instant OW joinee if given the chance

I think the junkers are a fun one

Moreso JQ

She's a junker sure but she is the leader of a nation essentially

So I could see a coalition being made with either OW or Talon

They faction overall obviously isn't malicious, they just want to kill omnics and survive, which is why I think a partnership with OW isn't too far fetched

I think generally most characters that aren't a member of OW/Talon all lean toward becoming OW members

With a few exceptions like Rat n Road, or Hazard who only see themselves first

[keen summit]

i think rat and road both would see talon as too much of a hassle

theyd probs earlier go "we can work together!"

jq i think would jsut say "FUCK YOU" to it

and only accept it if shes beaten

likely killed

[marble charm]

Yea JQ would work for talon under the whole

Strength above all rule

But I could see someone from overwatch showing up and being all like

"We'll help you not get taken over if you help us too"

[keen summit]

which knowing her she'd probs say "FUCK OFF WE CAN HANDLE IT"

unless its a really obvious threat

[keen summit]

only with venture i doubt it cuz theyre way more about well

their job

they love their job, alot

so theyd say "i can help, but limited

[marble charm]

True that

Venture would definitely prefer to stick to the guild

I think that's what it is

But anyway, one thing that's interesting is a voiceline with I can't remember who where they're asked why they go by venture

They specifically mention they chose the code name

I think venture is definitely interested in the whole idea of being a hero

I don't see why an archeologist would really have any need for a code name

[keen summit]

i agree

thats why i said theyd help but limited

they prefer fighting for artefacts and history

and venturing into new territory yet unseen

thats their whole stick

[marble charm]

Yea for sure

[keen summit]

so theyd help well, if thats needed

[marble charm]

Also fully agree with what you said about the junkers

[keen summit]

but if not theyd say "you guys can handle it right?"

[marble charm]

"You're overwatch! You don't need me... I can dig this!"

[keen summit]

id think if they join ow its more like a "call for help with artifacts or digging something up"

[marble charm]

I mean honestly even just

[keen summit]

they continue doing their own thing, but ow could rely on them for help when for example an underground base is suspected somewhere and they need someone to dig for it

[marble charm]

Post-Operation search and rescue

I imagine that drill would be great at clearing through rubble

Venture wants to help peoplen

I don't think they'd be selfish enough to never help out beyond the scope of their expertise

[keen summit]

exactly my thinking

theyd just want it to well, be within their expertise

[fossil wren]

Not affiliated?

Probably Weaver, Illari

Illari joining Talon specifically

[spare fox]

I made this with current statuses of all the heroes and my guestimation of where they would affiliate if they aren't already

of course this is based on what is currently known and subject to change dramatically

for instance, before the Mercy short story came out I would have put Mercy as "likely NOT to join OW"

though, IDK if I should put Freja as "refused" now that I think of it

[fossil wren]

Freja surely refused

Overwatch indirectly screwed up his life

[potent briar]

She is currently hunting a former overwatch agent and friend

[fossil wren]

Also wtf junkrat

[potent briar]

It'd be weird if she joined especially with Bastion, Orisa, and Genji on the team

[fossil wren]

Genji is still human

Well... A little bit

[potent briar]

She'd probably not see it that way

Zarya was the same way with Genji back in OW1

Tho I assume those two are chill now at least

[fossil wren]

I don't think Zenyatta will join Overwatch, although he would probably cooperate with them

[potent briar]

Yeah I had a feeling that was what they were gonna go with

Ion think he's the kind of person who'd officially take sides in this war

What could've been

I would've loved to see the other three in that tier join the new Overwatch

[spare fox]

yeah with junkrat like... idk the queen wants him dead, all of junkertown hates him, he's got roadhog but remember roadhog agreed to be his bodyguard for 50% of the treasure and the treasure is now the queen's so

not saying I'd think roadhog would turn on junkrat BUT they seem to be lining up that junkrat doesn't have much going for him in junkertown imo

[fossil wren]

i dont

Keep Kiriko as irrelevant as possible in the lore

🙏

[wise silo]

we need more lore

[surreal cypress]

lowkey the need to bring back old pve to the cancel mission

[worthy rose]

Right?? I'm still upset that we were promised a story campaign and only got 3 kinda crappy missions

[coarse scaffold]

Junker queen

[surreal cypress]

it not that bad to be honest pretty fun

[peak escarp]

the Toronto mission is great

the other two are meh

[twilit patrol]

Paraiso mission is kinda ok

[smoky canyon]

Is venture like on the OW team?

[spare fox]

no, but they are pitted against Talon who are looking for specific ancient artefacts

[smoky canyon]

Ok that’s what I thought, had to make sure

[fossil wren]

Poor venture doesn't know what they getting into

[marble charm]

Just saw a claim that Cassidy was kidnapped by Blackwatch to join them and that Ashe wanted to break him free but knew it was too dangerous for the gang

😭

[spare fox]

nope, he went willingly per Declassified

[marble charm]

Oh yea I know

[peak escarp]

is tiktok inventing lore again?

[spare fox]

Doc you should just make tiktoks stitching yourself into fakenews lore tiktoks, just going "no."

[marble charm]

Tiktok comments but yea

[peak escarp]

lol

[spare fox]

I guess you'd have to have a lot of time on ur hands...

[peak escarp]

if I had that kind of time I'd just make lore vids myself

which I have considered

[fossil wren]

Me too, but I just don't have time and I can't edit shit

And if I did, they would probably be about Transformers Lore lmao

[azure flint]

why do the transformers exist

like who made them

[fossil wren]

It's a great question that I will answer in another occasion

You definitely don't want me to start

[bold fern]

i accidentally choosed stim pack

fuck

[eager bane]

rip

cooked

just leave

tbh

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[sterile pond]

make venture the squirrel girl of ow where they just inexplicably can beat every talon member with hardly any effort

• their goggles deflect every widow shot because she aims for the eyes
• the drill acts as a fan so reaper just gets blown away
• mauga just doesn't care but he doesnt wear any armor anyway so anyone can beat him, same for sombra
• doomfist just cannot destroy the drill for some reason

[native gulch]

Is there any purpose for interpol in a world with Overwatch in it

[marble charm]

Well for starters the world hasn't had Overwatch for awhile

2ndly it existed long before OW, and like many things, will continue to exist

But the police I feel is inherently far far more relatable for the average person

[native gulch]

I mean while Overwatch was still around in a legal way

[marble charm]

You're an average guy, and you're presented with a talking gorilla and a woman who can temporarily teleport through time, or you've got another, average guy, who is a police officer