lore-discussion

[spare fox]

maybe some kind of "splash"

[keen summit]

hmm

you made me think of splatoon instantly

[spare fox]

well yeah that is the general idea ig

another idea is maybe a "jet" of water damage a lot like Zarya's beam that gets charged up the more healing he does, kinda like a reverse Moira where his damage depends on his heals

[keen summit]

i mean technically we also dont have a beam with travel time

[digital linden]

i thought mei's did

[glass geyser]

😲

[spare fox]

actually... I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure one of her perks adds that as an addition to her primary fire

maybe they're using that to test out the feature as a full primary fire?

[timid elk]

Maybe he'll bloodbend them

[vast swift]

(shcrodingers cat thingy isnt it both alive and dead)

[toxic kindle]

That is a common misinterpretation of what Schrödinger meant with the analogy.

[spare fox]

Kind of a hot take: not a huge fan of the new le sserfim skins, mostly bc of some of the choices for heroes that got skins

Illari, Mercy, and Ashe just don't seem like K pop concert goers...

[peak escarp]

it's more about who the band members play/like than it is about who would enjoy kpop

[minor musk]

mei moment

[vast swift]

oh wait what

[rare trail]

afaik schrodinger meant like "its insanely dumb a cat cant be dead and alive ur wrong lmao"

[vast swift]

so is he saying that we just have no idea but we know the cats either dead or alive but it IS one of them?

[keen fable]

I cant imagine Illari ever going to a k pop concert

[spare fox]

Same

[keen fable]

idk why i said tik tok lol

[inland birch]

Does anyone know how many omnics are still alive

[fossil wren]

The total number is unknown, but based on Ramattra trailer they are dying too quickly

[inland birch]

Cuz my sources say they are still being produced

[inland birch]

Yes indeed

[fossil wren]

There are two types of omnics

Those with sapiens thanks to Aurora sacrifice, Who are dying at high speed due to human resentment

[inland birch]

Crazy that out of all people a ram pfp responds

[fossil wren]

And those who dont have sapiens and are mass produced

[inland birch]

Ye

[fossil wren]

Rights for the omnics

[inland birch]

True

Suffer as i have

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.omnica.com/&ved=2ahUKEwjfmObD1YCMAxXBGxAIHeNeK44QFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1e0ORB-icIO0JC_VYdoXCg

They are still in business

[fossil wren]

In the Kings Row map the objective is take a fucking pem to an underground omnic population center

[inland birch]

Lol

I hope ram gets some shit tbh

Like decent skins and maybe some interactions

[fossil wren]

Null Sector has only gotten Loses in the Lore 😭

[inland birch]

That too

There is honestly no way so many robots can be made

[fossil wren]

Omnica corp is not active anymore

The company is dissolved after the crisis

[inland birch]

Like where is the power coming from and how much metal is there

[inland birch]

Look at the link

[fossil wren]

But the omnics are produced by the omniuns that are still active

Like the Siberian Omnium or the Chinese Sea omnium

[fossil wren]

Bro that's a fucking real life corporation

😭

[inland birch]

Still where do they get the resources

[fossil wren]

That is unknown

The Siberian Omnium is known to have been inactive for years until the start of the second omnic crisis

[inland birch]

They have like 3 reviews talking abt the crisis and they responded apropriatley :0

[fossil wren]

While the Chinese Sea Omnium has always been active and launches constant attacks against South Korea

[inland birch]

As they should

Good bois

Huh wait

So aurora scrificed to give omnics sentience , and ram talks about awakening in new york in the midst of a battle so would it be possible for new ones to still awake in small numbers

Or what is up with this awakening

[spare fox]

So no new sentient omnics were made after the Awakening

Bastion, Ram and Zen are sentient

But Echo and Orisa are not

I do think finding a new way to make sentient omnics again is going to come up again

[fossil wren]

Echo and Orisa are advanced ai right?

[spare fox]

Yes but they're not sentient

[worthy rose]

So sad 😭

[native gulch]

I thought Orisa was sapient because she’s a remade Omnic?

[peak escarp]

she's made from a security drone

the OR15s were not sentient

[distant hamlet]

orisa and echo seem pretty sentient to me

orisa gets flustered when mei compliments her

[toxic kindle]

He meant it more so as in "A. The cat is both alive and dead because we cannot observe it (which is a metaphor for how elementary particles function) and B. Macro scale objects (really "big things") cannot be two things at the same time."

Also, nice profile picture.

[queen eagle]

GRRR ORISA IS SENTIENT

Nothing more alive than orisa

[keen summit]

what the ram pfp said is correct i just want to add a little context

auroras sacrifice caused a singular "wave" of sentience, think of it of basically something being uploaded onto everything at once, however a new wave never happened. this means that the number can never increase but can decrease. No matter how many omnics are created none are "sentient"

[keen summit]

it is sentient as how an AI can mimic sentience

[uncut hill]

I mean at some point it becomes on the level of human sentience right

[keen summit]

you could say that, however would you consider it real sentience if a creator could just go in the code and alter it?

thats what happened to orisa afterall

[inland birch]

Yes but ram awoke in nyc was that at the time of auroras sacrifice or after

[keen summit]

all awakenings happened at the same time

thats your answer

[merry mason]

People can still hack into omnics. Plus you can alter someone’s consciousness in real life with chemicals and stuff.

[rare trail]

ohohooh icicic

[rare trail]

ty !! i really like
yours too

[toxic kindle]

Thanks :)

[fallow mantle]

Might see something pve related at Blizzcon in 2026 🥲

Only a year and a half to wait and see

[spare fox]

I highly doubt it unless they're doing a separate game

[peak escarp]

that's a long way off

way to early to know what will be shown

[fallow mantle]

I was kidding 🥲

[fossil wren]

They'd rather give Venture a mythic skin than that

[fallow mantle]

lmfao-

[worthy rose]

Would love a Venture mythic

Will probably get D.va next season though I'm not sure what role is next in succesion, I think it goes DPS, Support, Tank

[spare fox]

There is no succession, just fyi

They'll release mythic in any order or pattern

It's 100% theme-based

[fallow mantle]

when they were saying venture would get a skin for season 14 i fr thought it'd be a legendary (NOT collab) but a standalone skin - OR i thought, 'maybe it'll be the mythic!'

i don't like the collab one nor the current toxic one

[worthy rose]

Me either, but I did like the collab but I wasnt paying for it

[native gulch]

I don’t think that’s how Orisa works. She has her own thoughts and opinions on things. AI language models don’t even understand the words they generate

[keen summit]

Thats false: efi had to add a compassion module manually

[worthy rose]

Yeah unfortunately she's just a robot, like T-100. Efi doesnt have the capabilities to recreate the Iris

[grim sorrel]

Guys, where i can watch or read the whole lore

Idc if is explained or not

Short video or long video

[grand wedge]

you've got the whole lore database available if you want there : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit?usp=sharing

[shy dagger]

Check the pins on this channel

[grim sorrel]

Ty

[shy dagger]

Np

[grand wedge]

The only lore behind a "paywall" are the three novels (about Orisa, Ashe and Sojourn) and Overwatch:Declassified, everything eles is free to read/watch and in the doc, so have fun 🙂

[strange jay]

why does brig have brown hair when both her parents are blonde

could it be

[fallow mantle]

lmao

[vast swift]

REAL

[rare trail]

this is

a real thing that happens in real life

[fossil wren]

Freaky reaper

[merry mason]

The objective narrator in her short story states she’s jealous, so it’s not just a simulation. If the part of your brain that feels compassion was destroyed you wouldn’t feel it either.

[worthy rose]

[keen summit]

it wasnt destroyed, it had to be added

[shy dagger]

Recessive Genes

[peak escarp]

red/auburn, not brown - red hair is recessive, so it's likely Torbjorn and Ingrid are both carriers for red hair

[hushed jetty]

overwatch AIs are not "language models," theyre like a completely different genre of ai. its more like what youd think of when you think of futuristic robots

[native gulch]

My point was that she wasn’t a language model lol

[hushed jetty]

oh! my bad :3 i'm illiterate

[native gulch]

Nah it’s fine that kind of misunderstanding happens all the time

[rare trail]

um

you would be super dead if "the part of
your brain that feels compassion" was destroyed

lots of parts "feel
compassion"

[eager bane]

what is doomfist lorr

lore

somebody enlighten me

[fossil wren]

@eager bane

Hello!

[eager bane]

hey

are u doomfist

lore master?

[fossil wren]

Doomfist, whose real name is Akande Ogundimu was born as the son of a wealthy Nigerian family that owned a cybernetic prosthesis company, Since a young age he was a really charismatic and itelligent person which helped him expand the family business, Although he also used to dedicate himself to his passion and hobby, the martial arts, learning many of them and even competing in tournaments, During the Omnic Crisis Doomfist lost his arm and it was replaced with a cybernetic prosthesis from his family company, Although it made him stronger it also made him ineligible for tournaments, This ended his career as a martial artist and created a void in Doomfist, Until Akande Adeyemi (The second Doomfist) offered him a new opportunity as a mercenary for Talon, Talon philosophy resonated in Doomfist since according to the organization, humanity evolves through conflict, something he agreed due to his past experiences, Also in Talon he was able to fully utilize his physical abilities along with his charisma and intelligence, Eventually Doomfist killed his mentor Adeyemi as her aspirations were not the same as his own, Obtaining the Doomfist Gauntlet and the Title of Doomfist, Doomfist quickly began to take control of the organization and its leadership, reforming it to suit his plans and in the process getting rid of high-ranking members who disagreed with him or had a different view of Talon goals

[eager bane]

thank you

[fossil wren]

It is a brief summary since is Lore is one of the most extensive in the characters of the game, Many of Talon current members were recruited by Doomfist

[worthy rose]

fjsofksixksixnskduskznwodnaw

[marble charm]

After spending so long in the rdr2 Fandom I am an avid hater of people suggesting a different character is the father instead

[peak escarp]

also, if Reyes was her father she would have much darker skin

[marble charm]

^^

[peak escarp]

here's a simplified explanation of hair genetics

there's basically two genes for hair colour - one that's a scale of blonde-brown-black, and one that's red or no red

the red gene masks the other gene so you can be technically blonde and have red hair

we don't have images of Brigitte's siblings to compare, but we have seen her nieces and nephews (Torb's grandkids)

and they're all blonde or redhead

[marble charm]

Uhh nuh uh definitely actually Reyes child

#WeLoveInfidelityTheories

[peak escarp]

we had enough of that with Pharah

we've known that her father is Sam since 2017 and yet the rumors of Ana and Reinhardt continued...

[marble charm]

Yea

I am fond of the relationship between Ana and reinhardt

But it's pretty obvious he isn't pharahs father

[spare fox]

Besides what Doc said about genetics, which is totally valid and true, there's also hair dye

[peak escarp]

the only hero that we know for sure dyes their hair is Zarya

[spare fox]

Yeah but it's always a possibility

And maybe Ingrid is a bottle blonde

I mean, it's also not that deep. Juno apparently had purple hair as an infant, depending how literally you take it

And then there's both Ashe AND LW having naturally white hair from childhood like... you have to suspend your disbelief a little it's science fiction not nonfiction

[peak escarp]

at least LW's father has the same white/pale blonde hair

although we haven't seen Ashe's parents clearly

just a shadowed portrait

[lilac turtle]

What military rank is torb in the ow team

If rein is lt. ana is captain, soldier ( i forgor)

Tracer is cadet?

[peak escarp]

Torbjorn was the engineer

Soldier was a commander

Reyes was also a commander

[lilac turtle]

What about Cassidy and the others

[peak escarp]

they don't have official ranks

[fossil wren]

Blackwatch agents, So we can't really know their ranks

[lilac turtle]

Isnt reaper blackwatch too

[fossil wren]

Yeah

Maybe I made myself misunderstood

Reaper rank is mentioned, while with Cassidy, Genji and Moira their ranks are not mentioned

[vast swift]

and hazard right

[loud marsh]

Reaper was part of normal OW before blackwatch

[merry mason]

It’s in the anterior insular cortex, with some help from the obifrontal cortex and amygdala. That’s like 2 for 3 on parts of the brain you can live without. But regardless if there is a specific place my point is that your emotions are caused by your physical brain, so there isn’t anything wrong with orisa having a physical object that controls her empathy.

[rare trail]

gang this is just like very faulty logic

technically a human brain can maybe live without the part that gives empath so a robot needing an empathy core doesnt mean anything like 😭😭

[merry mason]

This isn’t a maybe, parts of your brain are used for specific things this is proven science. People have lost their personalities from brain damage before and lived look up Phineas Gage or just, the concept of a lobotomy. There isn’t some magic in your brain that gives you personality it’s just your physical brain doing stuff. It’s not much different from a very complex computer, really.

[rare trail]

lobotomy
patients arent like

reptiles

[grave frost]

It’s science fiction it’s probable that they have technology far more advanced than the real world in terms of medicine/surgery

So they can do it

[merry mason]

That’s kind of my point

[worthy rose]

[eager bane]

doom with gauntlet vs 5 year old mauga

[fallow mantle]

pretty sure hazard, sombra and kiriko too simply based on past representations of them

cant remember about kiriko

[peak escarp]

I think she does, yeah

and I forgot Sombra has purple tips

I was mostly thinking about the OW cookbook, which said that it was rumored that Zarya dyed her hair pink to match borscht

[fallow mantle]

lmaooo

[grizzled drift]

Was it ever confirmed that any of the members of OW know Reaper is Gabriel other than Soldier and Ana?

I haven't gone out of my way to look, but they're the only 2 who seem to reference it, and the animated short with Winston made it look like he had no idea

[fossil wren]

I doubt they know, since even though they mention it in in-game interactions, it shouldn't be considered completely canon

[grizzled drift]

Reaper just reminds me some of the characters in this game are really damn sad

[fossil wren]

Yeah, look at Illari for example

[peak escarp]

the former writer once said that if Cassidy ever met Reaper, he would recognize Reyes

but so far, it hasn't happened

[grizzled drift]

that's a shame, pretty cool idea though

didn't think cass of all people would be able to recognize him instantly like that

[marble charm]

Eh I think it makes sense

He would've spent alot of time with Reyes anyway

And I think even though hes a 'crass cowboy'

To be an OW agent you need to be more than just skilled

[peak escarp]

he's smarter than he lets on

[obtuse venture]

@ashen valve dms

[elfin scarab]

Can we all agree venture is multiversal+ at a lowball

[worthy rose]

🥵

[keen summit]

Well we do know moira knows, and likely alot of talon, ana and soldier aint in ow so i assume u meant the game. The rest is unlikely to know

[fallow mantle]

I, personally, assume that Cassidy KNOWS of him, because in the Liberation cutscene, he says that 'Jack Morrison is off chasing ghosts, he's not coming back' or something like that. Likely referring to Reaper and the mysterious Eye thing.

[keen summit]

Likely cuz ana told him

[fallow mantle]

Yeah!

[bitter sedge]

How high is dva's cps in lore?

[ashen scroll]

what eye thing?

[ashen scroll]

well theres voice lines in game like mercy that talks to reaper with his real name

soooo maybe some people know?

[fallow mantle]

the conspiracy about who runs the world that sombra's searching for, and is responsible for overwatch's fall, in a nutshell

[loud marsh]

In game voice lines are hypothetically. They may refer to something canon in lore, or they may be entirely made up. The interactions are a free for all

Same way no one knows who sombra really as from an outsider perspective, but the voice lines they act as friends

[ashen scroll]

oooooh i've never heard of that

no joke

so what its like the illuminati or something?

[ashen scroll]

true

[cerulean falcon]

what is los muertos?

[worthy rose]

It's like a Mexican gang in the lore I believe

[fossil wren]

A Mexican revolutionary group against LumeriCo and the government, Since the director of LumeriCo and president of Mexico committed considerable acts of corruption to enrich himself at the expense of the country (which were exposed by Sombra)

[cerulean falcon]

oh okay

ty

[fossil wren]

Np

[cerulean falcon]

one more question how did sombra get her powers did she make them or did she inherit them?

[fossil wren]

She has cybernetic enhancements in her brain and spinal cord, so she practically a walking computer, Although she already had his hacking skills before receiving his enhancements (I'm not sure if she can actually hack people but most of his in-game abilities are canon) There is a list of canon abilities in the channel pins

[cerulean falcon]

by his you meant her right?

[fossil wren]

Yeha

Grammar mistake sorry

[peak escarp]

Sombra can't hack people

but she can hack computerized weapons and omnics

possibly cybernetics too, depending on how they work

[strange jay]

kiriko?

i dont think kiri has any mechanical part

all the others do

like their weapons or just body parts in genera;

[peak escarp]

Sombra cannot hack Kiriko in the lore

[strange jay]

ah gotcha

also what exactly is suzu

[peak escarp]

I think Junkrat and Roadhog's prosthetics and weapons are low tech enough that Sombra wouldn't be able to hack them either

[strange jay]

tbf there's a lotta stuff unexplained if we just consider the gameplay

how is cass's roll getting hacked

or ashe's dynamite

winston jump

ykwim

[peak escarp]

it's just gameplay

she can't hack any of them

[marble charm]

😭

[jaunty briar]

in this line of thinking, where is overwatch at currently with 'magical' abilties?

back in my day zenyatta's healing/discord was not canon and only an in game ability, and last i heard the shimada dragons were a bit. hand wavey

[spare fox]

there is no magic in the lore of overwatch, anything that is being repeated as "magic" is just tech we don't understand yet

[jaunty briar]

but a lotttt has changed since then

[spare fox]

or it's noncanon gameplay

[jaunty briar]

yeah there's a lot of factors lol

did they ever explain the shimada dragons or shall i take myself to the ow wiki LOL

[spare fox]

no, they have not been explained yet

[jaunty briar]

goddamn

[spare fox]

popular fan theory is that they're a type of hard light but that's not canon

[jaunty briar]

the lore consequences of cool factor

mhm yeah ive seen the theories over the years

[urban reef]

What’s freja lore?

[peak escarp]

she's a former Overwatch agent who turned to bounty hunting after Overwatch fell

she seems to be on a contract for Maximilien

[merry token]

Yes

Kiriko + Hanzo short story!

They’re just very advanced tech

[jaunty briar]

OHHH thats nice to finally have something confirmed omg

thank u boss

[sullen girder]

Hey I have a question, you think bob is mute or just doesn’t have a voice box like other omnics?

[twilit patrol]

I think he doesn't have a voice box

[loud marsh]

Would be cute if he learned sign language

[sudden dagger]

ironically

he expresses emotions through his eyes

he also sweats oil

[loud marsh]

just like me for real

I do think it would be cute to see Bob express emotions in some way in upcoming comics or short stories

[fossil wren]

https://x.com/mushroomiiee/status/1900643696720089321

Shroomiiee (@mushroomiiee) on X

HEADS UP-

THERE IS FREJA TEASERS IN GAME RIGHT NOW!

Me, @HazeletOW and @Faalund1 found 3 data pads on 3 different maps for targets.

Mine is on Suravasa, Hazels is on Esperança, and Faalunds is in junker town!

I’l tag them below as well 👁️

X · Mar 14, 2025, 8:22 PM

[fallow mantle]

lmao, the machete betty one

[fossil wren]

The Junkers are really lovely people

Although who the hell would put a bounty on a crazy machete collecting addict?

[glad osprey]

Who would win in a battle between ram and doom?

[worthy rose]

I'd put my money on Rammatra, he's got nanomachines and shit, DF just has a big robo arm

[glad osprey]

Same here, plus his nemesis form is bigger than doomfist

[fossil wren]

Here's a little problem

Ramattra has no physical feats in the Lore

[worthy rose]

Oh so he's weak af then

[fossil wren]

He is not weak, but so far he hasn't fought against anyone considerably strong

Ramattra is a strategist, he prefers to use his intellect and tactical skill rather than brute force

[worthy rose]

Tell that to the devs when they gave him his form lol

[fossil wren]

The only physical feat of Ramattra is him easily defeating human guards when he was freeing omnics from slave centers

[worthy rose]

Wow thats so lame

He's huge! He's got nanomachines ffs

[fossil wren]

There is a difference between what is canon in the Lore and what is not

The nemesis form isn't canon if I remember correctly

Although i may be wrong

So in terms of Lore, while Ramattra being the leader of Null Sector is a global threat, he is not that "powerful", Doomfist still has more feats than him, Doomfist in his assaults on Numbani managed to destroy many OR-15 units, He managed to defeat Tracer and Genji, And he also fought against Mauga in a fight that ended in a draw

[fossil wren]

It's a shame because in PVE mode we would have surely seen more of Ramattra, unfortunately it is no longer one of Blizzard priorities

[azure flint]

LET THEM COOK

[cold sable]

doom fs

[spare fox]

Is the training course in game supposed to be at WP Gibraltar? Because Gibraltar doesn't seem to get freezing temps and there's snow and ice there

[grand wedge]

We don’t know where the training range is, but it’s not Gibraltar for sure

[keen summit]

oh wow wonder could be for~

man i wish we knew what hero this would be for

i wonder what their kit will be!

[worthy rose]

It's for Freja, the new DPS

[grand wedge]

I think that was sarcasm 😅

[keen summit]

yeah

[azure flint]

what if freja was called freakja

[worthy rose]

Lets dive into this

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

[terse barn]

Not sure if this has been asked yet but have hanzo n cassidy ever actually interacted with each other lore wise?

[fossil wren]

No

Hanzo has only meeting one Overwatch member (Genji)

If I remember correctly, he is currently in Japan with Kiriko

[peak escarp]

correct

[fossil wren]

That was quick

[terse barn]

Not at all???

I'm surprised that one ship became so popular then

[fossil wren]

Most ships have no basis in Lore and are just made by fans

Although Baptiste has feelings for Cassidy in Lore

[terse barn]

True but I assumed since I'd say the other big 3 ships consist of them knowing each other, that yeehan was also like that

[peak escarp]

that ship happened because when Cassidy was introduced in March 2015, the only other male hero who wasn't old was Hanzo

[fossil wren]

That ship is really old now that I realize

[terse barn]

Ooo

[peak escarp]

and of course, the internet had to ship him with a man

[terse barn]

A ship older than the launch

[peak escarp]

yep

[terse barn]

I was not familiar with yeehan fans dedication

[peak escarp]

any they haven't even met

they barely even have any voice interactions

[terse barn]

I'm still shocked they haven't met to be honest

[peak escarp]

at least the other popular ships talk a lot

[terse barn]

I won't shit on it but damn

[peak escarp]

I will

it's a terrible ship

[terse barn]

😭😭😭

[peak escarp]

Cassidy and Baptiste is better if you want m/m

or Cassidy/Sombra

[terse barn]

I'm not a fan of hanzo so I just can't bring myself to care about anything revolving him

I do like cass though

[peak escarp]

same

[terse barn]

I do prefer other ships but maybe it's because they have lore tied to it

Pharmercy is not one of them

[peak escarp]

I'm not a fan of ships in general

but if you must, at least have it make sense

[fossil wren]

Sombra: Every time I need a laugh, I look at your search history.
Cassidy: Let me guess. Last night, around dinner time?
Sombra: "Cactus spines in butt. How get rid of?"
Cassidy: Was I supposed to leave them in there?!

Shit so funny

[terse barn]

I quite like Ana x rein I think it's quite sweet

I used to like gency but I'm not really sure what happened with their interactions so I forgot about it

[peak escarp]

we haven't had any new Gency interactions, but nothing contradicts their relationship so idk

they sat together in the Christmas comic

bottom left

[terse barn]

I think it's probably my second favourite ship their old interactions felt nice to listen to

[peak escarp]

and since everyone was sitting with family/loved ones...

[terse barn]

Pharmercy I can't stand because I really do not like pharah at all

[peak escarp]

I dislike the community more

[fossil wren]

And the poor echo had to wash the dishes

[peak escarp]

the ship itself is whatever

[terse barn]

The community for any ow ship on twt can feel like ww3

But I've noticed anything surrounding mercy x hero can become very hostile

[peak escarp]

indeed

[terse barn]

I think that's why that one voiceline when LW dropped was never followed up

"with any luck you'll find out soon"

[peak escarp]

the community in general is so posessive over the heroes

won't even let the writers write what they want

[terse barn]

I heard something about gency voicelines being cut

Because of a writer or something like that

But I didn't look too much into it so I didn't see if it was true

[peak escarp]

I think they got cycled out

a lot of old voice lines got removed, not just those

[terse barn]

Back when pharmercy got new voicelines

[peak escarp]

those voice lines are a stretch anyway

[terse barn]

I have heard some of the ow1 gency voicelines recently so I guess they got added back in

[terse barn]

I think they're kinda cheesy but not in a good way

Pharahs interactions in ow2 make her sound like idk a frat boy

[peak escarp]

she's a huge jock

[terse barn]

Maybe I just didn't notice it in ow1

But I notice it now and I'm not really a fan

[peak escarp]

she didn't get a lot of characterization in OW1

[terse barn]

Dare I say it should've stayed that way

[fossil wren]

You know Cassidy team is kinda bad, He only has one support

Two tanks, two DPS and one support doesn't sound good

[rare trail]

does he?

is that in "what you are" or whateve the name was

the short story where we found out pharah is gay

[fossil wren]

Yes

[azure flint]

@peak escarp i have a question

does mauga actually have two hearts

[peak escarp]

yes

he got one cybernetic heart added after he was wounded in battle

then later on he replaced his biological heart with a cybernetic one

[azure flint]

sick

[twilit patrol]

He has two cybernetic hearts ?

I thought he had two actual hearts

[cunning bane]

i thought one was real and one was cybernetic

[brave crane]

So could Sombra canonically just kill Mauga just like that?

[brave crane]

That’s what I always believed

[peak escarp]

Sombra hasn't shown the ability to hack cybernetics, so it may not be possible

[worthy rose]

[azure flint]

lore talk only please

no emotes

[past hollow]

I’ve been playing ow since 2017. But I totally forgot what the war is about. Like what are we doing to stop the war?

[peak escarp]

the war?

[marble charm]

Omnic Crisis?

[past hollow]

Yeah

[marble charm]

It was a revolution for freedom for omnics

Or well sorta

[peak escarp]

the Omnic Crisis was caused by Anubis deciding that the best way to protect the environment is to kill all humans

[marble charm]

Pretty sure anubis just wanted to kill people

Oh oopsie

[peak escarp]

Overwatch was created to stop Anubis, and they succeeded

[past hollow]

oh yeahhhh

[peak escarp]

the current conflict is Ramattra leading drones against humanity, claiming to be fighting for omnic rights while also taking agency away from omnics with his helmets

it doesn't really have a name

[past hollow]

oh

[peak escarp]

not to be confused with the Second Omnic Crisis, which is the omnics of the Siberian Omnium vs. humans in Russia (for unknown reasons)

[past hollow]

oh

dang this is a lot

[peak escarp]

there's a lot of conflicts going on

[past hollow]

ah

[peak escarp]

the omnic crisis is considered a historical conflict - it started 28 years ago and ended 26 years ago from the current day of OW2

[past hollow]

so there’s just more and more people joining the ow over time? Like illari

[twilit patrol]

Illari didn’t join OW

[past hollow]

this is so confusing.

[peak escarp]

Overwatch was active for about 20 years after the crisis ended, until being disbanded by the UN due to corruption (about 7 years ago)

here's the official timeline found in the game

[fossil wren]

Null Sector attacks can be considered part of the second crisis right?

[peak escarp]

Null Sector is considered a terrorist movement, separate from the second crisis

[fossil wren]

Yeah, There are also the Gwishin attacks on Korea

[peak escarp]

a lot of the current members of Overwatch only joined recently, recruited by Cassidy in the events of the New Blood comic

Pharah, Zarya, D.Va, Baptiste

[fossil wren]

Talon hasn't made a big move yet, right?

[peak escarp]

Talon is backing Null Sector, but so far they're kinda just letting things play out

Doomfist wants conflict so humanity will progress

[fossil wren]

Juno is supposed to be part of OW already? she appears in the Christmas comic and her capsule is in Gibraltar

[twilit patrol]

She is I think

[peak escarp]

Athena contacted her when she reached Earth, and Overwatch was there to find her when she landed

Orisa has also been recruited by Overwatch, after the events of Hero of Numbani and Unity

[fossil wren]

Yeah efi joined with her

Venture isn't part of Overwatch, right? Although they already work alongside Cassidy team

Although I think that isnt very canon

[peak escarp]

Venture hasn't worked with Overwatch

here's a quick list of each hero's affiliated group

[fossil wren]

Torb wasnt with the Ironclad Guild?

[peak escarp]

he's currently retired

[fossil wren]

Poor Ramattra, Who i am kidding? the guy asked for it for a reason the founding members of Null Sector abandoned him

[peak escarp]

I think if he hadn't alienated Zera and Nameless Null Sector would be more successful in their aims

also I've still got my fingers crossed that some day we get a remake of Uprising with a Lanet boss fight

[fossil wren]

Ramattra is too excessive with his methods

[fossil wren]

If he had listened to Lanet and given them more time, perhaps the uprising in London would had a better outcome

[fossil wren]

I wonder what kind of abilities they would give her if they made a remake of Uprising

[peak escarp]

I originally thought she could just be a reskinned Sombra, but now I want a unique kit

the story mentions "shadows", maybe she can create distraction clones?

Kiriko has an ability like that in Stadium

[fossil wren]

Now that I see this list again, I think Blizzard should stop introducing factions and focus on expanding the ones we already have

[peak escarp]

yeah

[fossil wren]

Also wasn't Weaver with The Collective?

[marble charm]

Halos had them for years too

[peak escarp]

oh yeah I forgot about the Collective

[marble charm]

Looked just like real players but run in a straight like until they collide with a barrier

[peak escarp]

-# in my defense so has Blizzard

[fossil wren]

Atlantic Arcology will arrive in season 19 trust

😭

[peak escarp]

yeah I'm hoping for some good lore with that map

[fossil wren]

We know that Morocco and Atlantic Arcology are going to be new maps, right?

[peak escarp]

and Tokyo

[fossil wren]

Hashimoto heroe coming??? 👀

Ngl a Hashimoto character will be cool

[peak escarp]

a Hashimoto hero would be cool

[azure flint]

give us kiri's mom as a hero

melee hero

[fossil wren]

Hanzo about to be scolded

[silent falcon]

The two heroes i would like to see are a junker support with a hogdrogen flamethrower or a hero with 0 abilities and no ult (could be maximilien because he literally has 0 basis to have any abilities at all) that would be total innovation in gameplay of overwatch

Kitless hero in a world of overkitties would be ultimate skillcheck

[cedar shuttle]

Hogdrogen flamethrower seems kinda just like moirs

Moira*

[silent falcon]

With the twist that it creates a massive explosion on ignition

[vapid tusk]

aren't hashimotos essentially wannabe shimadas?

[peak escarp]

the Hashimoto are meaner and more thuggish

[blazing fulcrum]

i wonder if we'll ever get lore-related skins at the least

my hopes are not high given how they're moving forward with every other new mode and mentioned nothing of pve

theyre just gonna be introducing new faction after new faction not giving any development on the ones they already introduced besides for maybe a little comic or poorly made cinematic - that new artstyle is just awful IMO

[peak escarp]

they just gave us a lore related skin last season

Sojourn's sweater from the Calling short

[sullen girder]

I know we’ve all discussed this topic before and I hate bring it up again but the ages between the shimada brothers and kiriko makes no sense. Or did they already fix it?

[fossil wren]

No

They still don't make sense

[sullen girder]

Like they expect us to believe they grew up together? Like if you’re gonna make some lore, get it right. At the very least close the age gap

[fossil wren]

Yeah, Blizzard isn't going to fix that at all

[spare fox]

the still might fix it. It took them until basically 2023 to fix Zenyatta's age (to line up with omnic awakening)

[spare fox]

Long story short, since this dead horse has been beaten to a pulp: No, her age does not make sense with her origin story. Even though it doesn't explicitly say anywhere that they "grew up together" it's still implied with voicelines, etc that Genji was a (young) teen when she was a child. Our best estimated "correction" for her age would be somewhere between 26 and 30

[peak escarp]

they did not grow up together

Kiriko trained with them as a child - it does not say the brothers were also children at the time

basically what spooky said

the text of Kiriko's bio implies that she is 26, not 21, so that's the age I go with

[vapid tusk]

i miss when the lobby would play BOW

that was probably the hypest hero trailer ever

[mild saffron]

Does anyone understand why Sombra likes Sigma, I'm a sigma main and understand his lore only a little bit and how talon is using him as a weapon but I've never understood Sombra's genuine liking to Sigma as someone who tends to use people for info and stuff

[worthy rose]

I didn't even know she likes him, maybe she has sympathy?

[mild saffron]

There is a bunch of voice lines of sombra talking to sigma and all Include friendly talks and stuff

It's rlly interesting

[spare fox]

because she knows that Talon members are taking advantage of him and his abilities and discoveries

Moira experimenting on him, etc

she's not evil, she's not "watch the world burn" type
for instance her interaction with Illari, warning the (emotionally damaged) 18 year old what she's getting herself into

[fossil wren]

Sombra isn't a bad person like the rest of the Talon members

She genuinely cares about her friends and people close to her

[viscid ledge]

Yeah I’m pretty sure she was pretty much the Robin Hood of her community growing up

[haughty kettle]

Hi im new to the server, how did Sombra get turned over to talon if she isn’t bad?

[hushed jetty]

she joined talon for her own benefit. theyre a powerful organization and they have resources that she can use

[haughty kettle]

Ahhhh

Is she working with them but using certain resources behind their backs?

Or just working

[peak escarp]

she's using them for her own ends

and Talon is using her for their own ends

it's mutual using

[haughty kettle]

Okay okay lol that makes sense

[acoustic ice]

honestly scary if it’s implied that d.va is deleting things one by one with her defense matrix rather than just having it like sigma’s suck

[peak escarp]

she's got crazy APM

[acoustic ice]

yeah but it’s unrealistically high apm at that

kiriko-boosted bastion vs defense matrix

she’s inhuman if she is deleting EVERY bastion bullet one by one

what if she’s actually lying about using her high apm to individually delete projectiles and instead it just automatically deletes them for her

[peak escarp]

there's probably a limit to how fast she can do it

there's no limit in the game because that wouldn't be fun

[azure flint]

where do things even go when getting defense matrix'd?

are they just erased from existence?

[peak escarp]

just zapped I guess

[marble charm]

In the short we see DVa use dm to shoot a bunch of missles

So DM is I'd assume some tracking/highlighting thing

And she shoots every projectile within it

So I'd say she "destroys them" which doesn't make too much sense when she's blowing up a literal gravity vortex but ya know

[full charm]

I take back all the nice things i said about sojourn

This character sucks

I was leaving the spawn door, i barley make it two steps out, and i get headshot by a railgun all the way from the point at illios well

[keen summit]

Shot down, thats all. In lorr it would be like intercepting things, in game its not that complicated cuz itd be a nightmare to both code and wouldnt be fun

[rare trail]

in the short i got the implication he almost like

redirected them and used them later

like she dmed missiles and right after shot missiles from what i remember

[sullen girder]

Hey, who do you think will be the villain in season 16 for the magical girl theme? I know dva is based on what her skin looks like but their could be other villains

[keen summit]

probs rein

cuz big guy

and popular

[worthy rose]

It's always Rein lol maybe Doomfist? I'd love Rammatra

[terse barn]

I hope they throw out a curveball and it's someone like wreckingball or hammond

[fossil wren]

please

JUST

PLEASE

Ramattra

[ember harness]

how old is Ashe?

[viscid ledge]

Legal

[ember harness]

but is she a milf

or not

[viscid ledge]

Oooh… you’re asking the right questions

[azure flint]

milf lost its meaning

used to be a hot mom but now it just means older woman

[hushed jetty]

ashe is like 40

roughly

[sullen girder]

I’d like to see that actually

[marble charm]

Oh

Wrong channel

[vapid tusk]

clearly you've never seen osu players

[vapid tusk]

the highest apm in the irl world is 818

[grave arch]

Not getting answers again so I'm sending this here hopefully to get a response but Ive claimed my lootbox from twitch but it hasnt given it to me on overwatch. Its done that last time OWCS were doing drops and it said i had claimed them but never recieved them in game why is this happening

It says "quantity null" when i look at the item id take a screenshot and show but I dont have permission to do that

[strange jay]

Starcraft player. The same game dva was number 1 ranked in before retirement

[marble charm]

Nah her mech just has its own rockets

In the short you can see her shooting the shotguns at the missiles

[vapid tusk]

And you thought posting it on a lore channel would help

[peak escarp]

that got retconned

she's not a Starcraft pro - her game is Mecha Guardian V

[worthy rose]

Whattt whyy 😭

[vapid tusk]

why is it damn junkrat again

[peak escarp]

because a mech sim makes more sense for her background than an RTS

[light forge]

is your game account connected to your twitch?

I'm assuming so but just in case

[grave arch]

Yup has been for ages just since I got the white and orange lw OWCS skin it wouldnt let me claim any afterwards and just said "Quantity Null" and there was the option to claim the item before i shouldve been able to claim them (wouldnt let me claim it but the option was purple) and itd still give me the option to claim it as if i hadnt after i supposedly claimed it it says its in my inventory but theres nothing in game and quantity is null

[light forge]

I tried looking it up and doing some research but couldn't find anything. honestly the only thing I can recommend is to make a new twitch account, disconnect your battlenet and afk on someone's stream to earn them again to see if that works. I'm assuming it's a problem on twitch's side. sorry I couldn't help more :( the only thing I could find about anything being "null" on twitch had to do browser extensions

unless anyone else has some advice but this isn't the appropriate channel, you might have better luck trying the overwatch forums

or contacting switch support

[grave arch]

Thank you for responding to me and trying to help its just a shame id spent hours watching twitch streams for nothing to happen 🥲

[light forge]

it might fix itself if you log out and back in or try to claim from a different platform but I'm not sure 😭 that sucks though I'm sorry

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[grave arch]

I am aware I was genuinely asking for some advice since the other channels ignored my comment

[loud marsh]

Doesn't mean you should ask it in unrelated channels that are specifically for one thing

Please use channels as intended

Can also go to reddit for answers

[light forge]

you'll live

it happens, I'm sure they won't do it again, just needed an answer for their question

[spare fox]

So i haven't heard any new interactions but I've heard an increase in and maybe a few new assist voicelines. Idk it almost seems like they reduced the rate of spawn room interactions while increasing the rate of assist line triggers

But that's just my experience from playing a few hours tonight

Basically the spawn rooms seem quieter lol

[shy dagger]

It seems that Maximillian bought Widow her mythic weapon https://x.com/r4m4ttr4/status/1902157938929598858?s=46

MASKY 👾🎰 (@R4M4TTR4) on X

did maximilien buy widow her mythic weapon omfg

X · Mar 19, 2025, 12:39 AM

[azure flint]

max customized her sniper

its peak

[fossil wren]

Bro is trying to stop Widow from doing a mondatta to him

[vapid tusk]

I didn’t wanna be the one to do it

[loud marsh]

Please don't mini-mod when two mods regard a member to the rules

[light forge]

I just think it's normal to be understanding when someone says "I know this is the wrong channel, but (insert explanation here)" especially when there's not a dedicated channel already implemented as far as I'm aware

directing them to an appropriate channel when they've stated they don't know where to write it would've been more helpful than just telling them "doesn't mean you should do it in this one"

#JustSaying

[loud marsh]

They said they've tried most channels

We can't force people to reply, but using the wrong channel isn't the solution

It's off topic

It's not up for discussion

[light forge]

👍

whatever u say

[azure flint]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[azure flint]

[vestal path]

Hello friends, on the Midtown map, there's a poster on the subway with a misspelling of "sugar". Is this poster a tribute to a certain band? What the heck does “RUST AND STIK” mean?

I've searched through wiki and reddit, but I haven't found any information about this poster. It features humans and omnics, and it seems like a tribute to a certain band. I've tried to find the original poster, but I haven't had any luck. I've been searching for two days now.

[nocturne cliff]

How about

We just take rammatra

And put him in a better game?

[vapid tusk]

people try to adhere to simple rules challenge

[worthy rose]

[peak escarp]

it's a band - the Cal Suger Factory Tour is the name of their tour (like the Eras Tour)

[digital linden]

oo is the member on the left a ravager

i swear i remember somewhere that ramattra's type of omnic are rlly rare

[peak escarp]

yes

they are rare, which makes it odd that we've seen 3 already

there's one in Hazard's gang too

[opaque tundra]

Seeing 3 compared to a billion normal omnics I think gets the point across

[peak escarp]

more like 3 compared to the dozens of omnics we've seen in the lore

[digital linden]

the roster is severely lacking in omnic heroes

considering how much they play into the lore

[hushed jetty]

GUYSSSSSS

https://youtu.be/pIKLdhMtEd0?si=EhSGykiVBfYHtzP3

||EMRE MENTIONED!!!!!!||

[fallow mantle]

WOOO

MAX 🗣️

[marble charm]

EMRE IS THE TARGET HUH??

Would that be

The target max needs to pay her for??

The one from the datapad

Or is that the jobs she mentioned had already gone unpaid

If it's the first it would mean Emre is officially dead

[worthy rose]

This is huge!

I already absolutely love Freja, her design and character is so cool

[twilit patrol]

The cinematic is good

[smoky tendon]

maximilien has so much rizz

[worthy rose]

She doesn't really sound Danish at all though

I think she's English

[hushed monolith]

I forget, is it talon as a whole that’s hunting down old overwatch agents or just reaper?

[native current]

Emre future hero? After these years..

[digital linden]

season 20 maybe??

[blazing fulcrum]

could be casting issues

this animation looked a lot better than the previous one though

[worthy rose]

That's so disappointing... especially with Hazards good actor

Any idea who Freja's voice actor is??

[fallow mantle]

she sounds danish to me - wife of one of my friends is danish and i hear her on vc all the time, she sounds slightly like her to me

it's a very slight accent for freja for sure

i do agree it's not very strong but then again with overwatch we go from extreme accents to very slight accents lmao 😭

[minor cypress]

I need help

[grand wedge]

probably this one. He gave her a target, didn't pay - she did other bounty and came to face Max

[minor cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-in-the-rearview-anne-wilson-rain-in-the-rearview-song-song-title-music-title-gif-14494252092273071028

[keen summit]

first emre mention in a while

[marble charm]

Yea agreed

[marble charm]

I think what interests me is how quickly the idea of hunting Emre got her 'hooked'

[keen summit]

her face first was shocked like "wait him???"

and then suddenly, yknow what why not

[fallow mantle]

maybe something happened between em but i am so excited

[marble charm]

Maybe I missed something but all I know of freja is

Search and rescue

[fallow mantle]

the ow team KNOW what we want lmao

[marble charm]

And bounty hunter

[keen summit]

its shocked here

[marble charm]

I mean obviously she's gotta be

[keen summit]

even dread

[marble charm]

Anti-OW

[keen summit]

thinking

lowkey they did the facial expressions really well

[marble charm]

Going into Bounty Hunting after the operation disbanded already hints she's currently

Anti OW but

Pretty much confirms it

[keen summit]

well we know nothing of emre

and she has a scar

[marble charm]

Yea the whole Animation was sick

[marble charm]

Ohh true

[fallow mantle]

HUGE step up from the juno and hazard ones i feel

[keen summit]

what if after saving emre once he left her

[marble charm]

She could have sided with reaper?

[grand wedge]

Now, the question is : why all that to meet Freja face to face? Is it because... Emre is Talon?

[keen summit]

i think its different. I think emre was saved once and left her in danger cuz she was search and rescue

[grand wedge]

Remember that old theory that mohawk guy was that Talon dude in the council?

[marble charm]

Emre (at least to me) sided very much on the 'good side' based on the one photo

[keen summit]

she has that scar on her face

[marble charm]

True

It could be a personal grudge

Emre was definitely a main field agent right

[peak escarp]

if Emre was on the council, Max wouldn't have a hard time finding him

[marble charm]

^^

[keen summit]

and it mightve been like with Ana where emre THOUGHT she was dead

so left

[peak escarp]

since we've already seen them in the same room once

[marble charm]

Emre is just another 'gone dark' 76 situation

[marble charm]

Hmmm

[keen summit]

from what we knew he indeed kinda dissapeared

so thats my theory

[marble charm]

We know nothing so

[keen summit]

but last time i was WAYYY off

so

[marble charm]

Other than he's alive

[fallow mantle]

emre and max are the last two characters in the lore i want added, max is just a 'hopeful, maybe' but i'm completely fine with him NOT being added. super hopeful that emre IS gonna be added, this cements it for me, imo.

[marble charm]

Emre being alive is huge news for r/emremains though

[keen summit]

the real question is, why does max want emre dead

like

[fallow mantle]

i'm amused what happens with former ow people - like that one that decided to just...play cards, professionally, after leaving overwatch?

[marble charm]

He'd have to have become active again right

[keen summit]

is emre maybe an info broker?

[marble charm]

I was just about to say

[keen summit]

it fits his style

[marble charm]

The og crew doesn't have a techie

[keen summit]

and why hes so elusive

cuz info brokers are usually good at hiding

[marble charm]

They've got an engineer, soldiers and scientists

But in such a sophisticated technological world

You'd assume you'd have at least some form of 'hacker'

[keen summit]

so maybe he doesnt want emre dead, maybe instead he wants emre for his skills

[peak escarp]

the bounty isnt dead - Max wants him found

[marble charm]

Which could explain why Max has an issue with emre without Emre seemingly being active

[dusk granite]

i like freja's story compared to the new recent heroes, she feels more interesting to know

[ember harness]

man

i just saw new Freja trailer

[keen summit]

i didnt know for sure if it was or wasnt, which makes me think even more that he might be able to help max "dissapear"

[ember harness]

last time i´ve been here

[keen summit]

thats what i think he wants emre for, to help him dissapear without needing sombra

[dusk granite]

i know overwatch wants to worldbuild with the phreaks or mars, but it just doesn't feel like it's working, maybe it needs to be expanded even more for me to like it

[ember harness]

we were talking about that old photo of all classic ow members with phara as a kid

[grand wedge]

Not hard to find. Hard to get, maybe?

[ember harness]

in that photo appeared a unknown man

is that the man Freja has to search

[keen summit]

yup, emre

[grand wedge]

that's what i think too. Not involve Talon

[marble charm]

Sombra ain't truth worthy enough yea....

[keen summit]

same guy

[ember harness]

omgggg everything is connected

[keen summit]

well sombra would want something for it and is impossible to bribe

[marble charm]

Also true

[keen summit]

cuz she would rebribe

[dusk granite]

sombra is never trustworthy unless you're lifeweaver

[marble charm]

Or sigma

[keen summit]

thats my theory though

[ember harness]

is Freja some bounty hunter??

[keen summit]

yes

[marble charm]

Yea it makes sense

[twilit patrol]

Yes

[ember harness]

omgggg

[marble charm]

Yea

She was an original OW member and specialized in search and research

Now she's a bh

[ember harness]

and also, why is Juno so thick

how old is she

[marble charm]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[keen summit]

so to recap
i think Max wants Emre to help him dissapear so he can get out of talon

the reason why freja takes the bounty is either A she hates him or B was friends and can use it as catching up, but doubt it

[dusk granite]

somehow a year older than illari

[ember harness]

omggg

[marble charm]

Go goon in general

[ember harness]

i need more lore

[ember harness]

and how old is Illari

[dusk granite]

18

[ember harness]

oh fine

[dusk granite]

the youngest character in the heroes roster other than certain omnics

[marble charm]

Yea fully agree

[ember harness]

where is goon chat

[marble charm]

#general-discussion

[loud marsh]

Don't shitpost in this channel.

[keen summit]

hamter

is younger

[dusk granite]

oh okay

[marble charm]

Also the omnics are all 'old'

[dusk granite]

oh yeah he's 16

[marble charm]

They were given sentience like 20 years ago

[dusk granite]

no orisa is 1

[marble charm]

Orisa and Echo aren't omnics

[keen summit]

its also noticeable how we have multiple female heroes below 25, and the youngest human male is 28

[keen summit]

orisa is weird

cuz like

[dusk granite]

oh

wtf is even orisa

[keen summit]

if you take parts out of multiple different iphones and assemble it into one with few upgrades, do we call it an iphone

[marble charm]

I'd assume the moment you pull it apart

It's not an omnjc

Omnic

As they "have souls"

[keen summit]

well omnic isnt that

omnic is like a brand name

[marble charm]

So if any of orisas parts come from an omnic, it doesn't make her one

[keen summit]

like iphones are

we have non sentient omnics

its what ram makes

[marble charm]

Yea I get you

I just use omnic to refer tov

The sentient wave

[fallow mantle]

wonder if they'll ever add Burnes as a playable hero, lmao

[marble charm]

Robot for the rest I suppose

[fallow mantle]

if we don't get max maybe we get burnes instead

[keen summit]

orisa is basically what if you pulled together multiple parts and made it into what

[marble charm]

Or echo and orisa who are just advanced ai

[keen summit]

max wont ever be playable himself

[fallow mantle]

yeah i know but can dream...

[keen summit]

maybe eh could control a drone and be "playable" like thaty

[fallow mantle]

i want him but i dont want him, you know

[dusk granite]

yeah i dont understand how he'll be a hero in overwatch because he's so fragile, he's only strong because of the illusion of power

[marble charm]

Not the illusion ofnpower

He's strong cause he has money

[keen summit]

strength isnt the problem. alot of heroes aint that strong

ashe is just a woman with a gun

[marble charm]

Tbf, every 'human with a gun' are still like

[keen summit]

its more his nature, max would NEVER go into a fight as an combatant. even in the short you see him just command his minions once and then walk around

[marble charm]

World renowned/leaders within their skill or field

[keen summit]

ashe id say is weak tho is my point

[dusk granite]

that sounds fun but extremely problematic in a game like overwatch lol

[keen summit]

shes just a woman with a gun

[marble charm]

Oh yea

[keen summit]

and like yeah she is according to her a great shot

but like

her cinematic says otherwise

[marble charm]

Ignore the cinematic that's cheating

Cass has blatant plot armor

But also

[keen summit]

ngl they shouldve just made her like exactly shoot his finger off once on his robot arm

[marble charm]

I getchu

[keen summit]

show how accurate she can be

[marble charm]

Even fully wreck his arm

Oh yea

Also tbf did ashe really

[keen summit]

and then show she only lost cuz she got angry

[marble charm]

Even wanna kill him

[keen summit]

thing is, she didnt hit anything, ONCE

[marble charm]

Like her crew sure, but they're bums

Fair

[keen summit]

her cinematic made her seem super incompetent

so all we have to go off is her saying shes a good shot

but again, thats besides the point

max is strong cuz money, but also cuz rhetoric and manipulation. Hes really good at playing low

hiding his hand till the best moment is kinda his thing

[marble charm]

Yea

[keen summit]

thats why the only way id see him work is a long range controlled mech

[marble charm]

He's fully aware that individually he is weak

[keen summit]

cuz that fits him

[native gulch]

Emre appears to be in danger

[worthy rose]

My whole family is Danish and she sounds straight outta Britain 😭 I was so psyched for a Dane hero

[fallow mantle]

lmao 😭

[azure flint]

just saw the vid its pretty sick

did freja actually just crush an omnic bro holy shit

[fallow mantle]

max's car go bye bye 😭

[native gulch]

Freja committed several murders, yes

[grave vault]

4* omnics

Also buff moira

[spare fox]

But the VA/character might have learned English from an English person that's why she has the different accent

[swift kelp]

My question is who’s her new bounty

[native gulch]

It's Emre, he was in the picture of the original OW crew

[swift kelp]

Ohhhhh bet thx

[worthy rose]

That's true, although the Danish accent is quite strong. My parents came here in the '80s and still have thick accents

[spare fox]

It really just depends on the individual language skills, tbh

[worthy rose]

Yeah i guess i'll have to accept that although I am disappointed 😞

[spare fox]

Some people can spend decades immersed in a second language and still have a strong accent

And some can adopt the second language's accent rather quickly

Look at that actress Anya Taylor Joy, her family is British but she grew up in Argentina and speaks fluid native Argentinian Spanish

Yet she can pull off both a British and American accent easily too

[opaque hemlock]

i cant believe they remembered him

hes alive guys

for now

[spare fox]

I like that the strength of accents of OW characters is all over the place. It's very realistic

[fossil wren]

WAS THAT EMRE?

[worthy rose]

Yes I'll have to accept it although I was very excited when they announced a Danish character

My wife is Scottish and Hazard sounded so accurate I was looking forward to the same

[turbid merlin]

We finally got emre😭

[azure flint]

we got more emre lore just for it to be that he's gonna fucking die

[grand wedge]

Don’t think it’s for him to be killed. It’s for him to be found d and brought to Max

For what purpose… hope to learn a bit more about Freja in the comics tomorrow

[azure flint]

@peak escarp what does the lore warlord think abt the vid

[worthy rose]

I think Emre is over shadowing Freja 😭

[turbid merlin]

What is happening currently in overwatch? Especially what is the new overwatch squad doing?

[worthy rose]

Rammatra attacked cities across the world and put this device on all the omnic citizens there. That's about all we know now

[turbid merlin]

Do omnic factories still exist?

[worthy rose]

I think Null Sector is using them yea

[peak escarp]

good introduction to Freja, confirms that the convo on the tablet is between Freja and Max, disproves the theory that Emre is on the Talon council

[past copper]

I fucks with it. She’s a definite badass, but I’m curious to know just what Max has on Emre to have an old ally of his go after him

[worthy rose]

Maybe to recruit him

I wonder what his kit would even be

[past copper]

Depends on what his field work was during Overwatch

[peak escarp]

he's a medic

so support probably

[worthy rose]

Ohh dope! So a new support then.

Next Support/Hero is Aqua

[past copper]

Interesting. We certainly need more support heroes

[peak escarp]

it does make Emre more likely to be a future hero

[azure flint]

itd be a long ass time before emre gets in if he is

[past copper]

I do wonder tho. Could Max be taking that dangerous risk and be… 😱 recruiting his own team to merc Doomfist? 😈

[azure flint]

if we follow the pattern of dps first then support then tank then itd go
freja -> aqua -> tank -> dmg -> emre

[past copper]

There’s no definitive pattern to that tho

And… we can’t outright say Emre will be a support just because he was a medic

[azure flint]

just a concept

[past copper]

Bare in mind, Freja specialized in search and rescue, which is more support work than actual combat

[azure flint]

its not confirmed but we've gone mauga -> venture -> juno -> hazard -> freja -> aqua -> tank so

actually the last one is unknown but

again theoretically could be a tank given the pattern

[past copper]

Emre very well could be a dps over a support. His medical knowledge would make him a dangerous player on a battlefield then

[smoky tendon]

i think we're getting emre after aqua

[past copper]

Plus, it would not be surprising if Emre was another mercenary like Freja. He certainly looks the type

[blazing fulcrum]

the animation overall improved significantly

from the hazard trailer

[past copper]

Looked better than Juno’s bc her animation just looked too much like Star Wars Resistance

[blazing fulcrum]

the hazard trailer was def worse than junos

[past copper]

They just look way to similar if not the absolute same

[blazing fulcrum]

well overwatch iirc does outsource a lot of the animation so

i wouldnt be surprised if thats why its looked so worse

[past copper]

Well, if they’re gonna use Star Wars style of animation

They should have used this from the Clone Wars

[blazing fulcrum]

i dont think they should have changed the animation style at all

but if they had to cut corners id rather have it be more of the mauga "its a good day" animation than whatever this new crap is

[past copper]

It’s not on the same level as the beginning of Overwatch animations, but still better than the new style

Except for the Mauga one. That one was dope

[blazing fulcrum]

iirc we got the sojourn one, then we got the mauga one

then it was over

and we havent picked up anything about the null sector war at all lore wise

[past copper]

Technically, they used the same animation for the Doomfist short

[blazing fulcrum]

similar style

the doom one was more refined

[past copper]

Surprised they didn’t just go with an anime animation style

People love anime

[blazing fulcrum]

They probably wanted to but the budget cuts hit them hard

so they just went to this.. 3d animated thing

[past copper]

Anime animation can’t possibly be that expensive compared to 3D animation

[azure flint]

sucks they don't do the og style

but i know microsoft made budget cuts

[blazing fulcrum]

more time consuming prolly

[past copper]

I can’t see how. It’s not like they’d be putting in the same time to do anime as the people who animate Demon Slayer or something

They’d use a simple 2D anime style

[blazing fulcrum]

well it depends on the 2d style but id imagine 3d models are more quicker to animate considering you can manipulate 3d models more

[grand wedge]

Where does it says that?

I only saw that he was a very good strategist and very good fighter

[verbal creek]

guys im depressed and i think the only thing that will cure it is an overwatch show or movie

[twilit patrol]

I don't think there will be a show or movie one day

[graceful lion]

ramattra is an ominc guys it sayus it in the lore

[turbid merlin]

Definitely arcane type would be so good

[past copper]

Honestly, kinda doubt that

Blizzard would want an animated series that doesn’t have a 2-3 year gap between seasons

[grand wedge]

Too expensive to produce, i don't think Arcane brought more players to LoL

[past copper]

To be fair. The creators of Arcane chose an animation style that isn’t easy to make. Hence why it only got 2 seasons

All focused on two cities instead of the entire LoL universe

It was the only way to make things easy for the team behind it

So I really would not expect any better results if Overwatch attempted to do the same thing

But with the entire Overwatch universe

[twilit patrol]

Yeah and honestly I don't think we really need this animation style for a Overwatch show

[hardy bluff]

Anyone else liked the new Max Trailer?

[peak escarp]

I liked it

[worthy rose]

Max?

Ohh Maximilian

Pleaze tell me you guys don't want him playable

[merry mason]

Personally I don’t, but why do you seem worried that other people do?

[maiden shuttle]

I think Max can't work as a hero

[fossil wren]

What the hell is he going to do? Throw hitmen at you?

[maiden shuttle]

He's all talk

[fossil wren]

Maximilien doesnt work as a hero, He doesnt get his hands dirty, he makes others get them dirty for him

[marble charm]

I would be perfectly happy with the same animation as the Freja short released last night

[shy dagger]

Yes unironically. Be like a mini torb where he throws Bob like hit men at you but they all have like 20 health

[marble charm]

I'm sorry but just

Please god no

That just turns into sym

[shy dagger]

Mini Sym

A flanker’s nightmare

[fossil wren]

Maximilien doesn't work, it just doesn't

[maiden shuttle]

^^^^

[twilit patrol]

I agree

[maiden shuttle]

Also the new trailer just fire, legit the best trailer since Mauga short

[marble charm]

I haven't looked at

r/emremains

Are they doing alright?

[maiden shuttle]

Watch it rn

It has lore