lore-discussion

[keen summit]

thats another thing that annoys me

when the picks just dont make sense

[golden oak]

But they did Bastet skin very well, I like how it looks

[keen summit]

illari depicting the god of the moon

yknow

[golden oak]

Especially since brig has a cat

[keen summit]

the woman with sun powers

[golden oak]

They love giving her moon skins

[keen summit]

its really odd

[golden oak]

She had the raven skin in s7 then like eclipse skin in s9

[keen summit]

and also the catgirl skin has night imagary

and pajama, which is again related to night

[golden oak]

Maybe because moonlight is a reflection of sunlight and she’s still sunlight but she’s dimmed now because of her trauma

[keen summit]

nah i think they just like using the colour contrast

i dont think they think that deep

if that was the case they shouldve made that part of her base skin and design imagery

i just hope that if im correct about next season being nordic myth they do it right

fafnir ram fits pretty well and that was one of em

[golden oak]

Is Thoth just a god of the moon or something else also

[keen summit]

magic, calander, language, wisdom

[golden oak]

Why do you think that

[golden oak]

Zen

[keen summit]

catgirl skins last year survey, nordic myth was in same one

[golden oak]

Omg zen could have different phases of the moon on orbs as Thoth 😮😮😮

[keen summit]

and i HOPE they do it right cuz scotland was well invaded by nodric tribes

[golden oak]

Biggest fumble ever

[golden oak]

Hmmm

[keen summit]

also note im still pissed as hell that we got only 1 kinda correct depiction of witches

[golden oak]

Bp theme almost never fits the new hero

[keen summit]

the rest were all generic cute dress with fucking catgirl skins mixed in

our mythic skin, was fucking short skirt thigh highs

[golden oak]

Yeah I was hoping for more folklore witches also

[keen summit]

which is so annoying, egyptian myth with venture wouldve fit perfectly

[golden oak]

Blizz dumb

[keen summit]

though thats why i hope for it to fit

cuz 1 nordic myth makes me think of winter cuz cold

so fits the season
2 hero fits
3 cool af skins

[golden oak]

I thought the mythic would be dva with Baba Yaga house as mech
the CLASSIC witch

[keen summit]

yeah atleast it wouldve been accurate

i was, foolishly, hoping theyd actually have a male witch, cuz those "existed"

nope

thigh highs short skirt, super short dress, another skirt catgirl 2x

[golden oak]

We got hunters theme for winter last year

[keen summit]

yeah, and before that GREEK MYTH

like yeah i get that myth doesnt have a season but cmon

and then asian myth, the season after/before an asian hero and chinese new year

blizzard

[golden oak]

wtf is sigma supposed to be btw

[keen summit]

greek

philosopher statue

last season he was something "dutch"

[golden oak]

Remember when mercy got the LNY skin instead of weaver

[keen summit]

yup

i also remember

chinese new year, when china couldnt play

[golden oak]

And it was a THAI skin also

[golden oak]

He got captain skin

[keen summit]

ngl thats the thing i have an issue with, yes ow has pretty good representation but theyre SUPER willing to just... set it aside for more profit

[golden oak]

Wait sig got two bp skins in a row?

[keen summit]

i mean

yeah

sig gets alot of skins

ana too

ana has gotten like, 6 in a row?

but the thing is, blizz doesnt really care bout the cultures or actual stuff, only the surface level when it comes to skins

which dont get me wrong, is fine. but then they also go around saying how much they looked at the origin of everything which is when icall bs

[golden oak]

And yeah technically weaver got that phi ta kon skin on release but it’s just so ugly (I’m sorry)

I just hate skins with masks, especially with an ugly mask

[keen summit]

ngl i really like it but again, it shows with bps a huge gripe i have with em. asian myht was s3, why not switch asian myth and starr wars one to well. make his asian myth skin be fitting for the asian theme, and then him also fit

why not have egyptian myth with venture

and if we look in hindsight though its not fair, cyberpunk with hazard

[golden oak]

Yeah like every “making of” videos for heroes they say that they do their research in certain culture to represent them as best as possible
But then they don’t even bother to give cultured skins to their respective heroes

[keen summit]

and heres the thing i dont doubt at all that they do research for the heroes

but it shows that the skin design team needs to prioritize "how many people will want to f- i mean buy the skins?"

again, witch shows this SO well

[golden oak]

Hazard was probably not even in works when season 1 was being developed

[keen summit]

witch skins were all for young looking attractive chars, most of them had revealing or short clothes, 3 of them have cat ears

[golden oak]

True

Although I’ve heard some rumours that they asked Asian players what hero they want for LNY and allegedly they chose mercy
But I couldn’t really find any evidence of that survey existing so I’m not sure

[keen summit]

i think it was more they looked at player count

i just hate how they did the "witches" theme

[golden oak]

Maybe, but if that’s the case, LW was barely released and also really bad at the time

[keen summit]

cuz like legit, only 1 was accurate to folklore, the rest feel like what youd see at your college halloween parties.

[golden oak]

I was hoping for something different too but hey, at least it’s not some bullshit like hunters theme

[keen summit]

ngl i liked hunters more

just cause they dont bodge any folklore

because frankly, witches is like one of the few things of folklore in my country

[golden oak]

Witches got too popularised and stereotyped because of Halloween and Harry Potter

[keen summit]

so itd be the one chance for good showcase of how it was

sigma for example wouldve legit been perfect to use for it

a man who floats through science? must be a witch!

[golden oak]

True

[keen summit]

thing is tbf they botch alot of central european myth cuz well, alot of those myths have been fantasized

[golden oak]

Reaper skin wasn’t that bad

It’s based on Leshen creature

[keen summit]

yeah

thats great

frankly i dont know that much of folklore here mainly cuz how much it been botched its hard to tell what is actual folklore and what is well, changed beyond recognition

so many fairytales ofcourse as an example

[golden oak]

Witcher games have really good representation of Central European folklore + some Nordic

[keen summit]

im glad, makes sense too

its made by polish people

[golden oak]

Correct

[keen summit]

it always upsets me that when there are things inspired by central europe its always so unspecific

for example in genshin you have alot of clear inspiration in all regions, except mondstadt. mondstadt is based on basically all central european things

and the UK

but then european fantasy more or less

its never actually inspired by the history in alot of games, or the cultures, its always just "fantasy place"

[golden oak]

I guess if someone from this region worked at blizzard we’d have it more accurate

[keen summit]

i doubt it, cuz as many said accurate stuff doesnt always sell better

cat girl borderline maid costume skins will sell better than ugly long nosed witch skin with a long dress made from rags

[golden oak]

See long noses and warts are also a stereotype

@keen summit so what would be the perfect depictions of witches in your opinion

[peak escarp]

I don't expect next season to have a theme relating to the holidays/winter

they only do that for halloween

[fresh rock]

(Because Halloween is awesome :D)

No but I think this theme might have something to do with Hazard maybe? We don't have a proper idea yet :p

[peak escarp]

we've also never had a theme based around a new hero

[spare fox]

Seasons lately haven't been super conforming to themes so much anyway. Like there will be the THEME that the mythic skin is and a couple related to that

But then new hero seasons, they've been naming the seasons in respect to them

Then there are the collabs, esports, and other misc thematic things that show up

It's kind of a mess but not in a bad way imo just a lot of variety

[unique ruin]

is there a lore reason why they can respawn? are they stupid?

[night trench]

Lore reason on why my reaper decides to go 0-11? Is he next up for OWL?

[peak escarp]

no - the respawn is just a game mechanic, and the game is not canon

[peak escarp]

that isn't lore

[unique ruin]

but why do the characters comment on their deaths when they respawn?

[peak escarp]

not all the in-game dialogue is canon either

Ashe and Doomfist have an interaction, but they've never met

[modern raptor]

genuine question about the Cassidy name switch (IK why they did it and stuff) but is there like a lore reason to it or just a retcon

[peak escarp]

they tried giving it a lore reason, but it's a retcon

if it was truly a lore-based change, they'd still use his old name for stuff in the past

and Ashe would still call him McCree

but they won't ever use that name again, so it's a retcon

[golden oak]

Honestly I don’t think season theme will be any survey skins either, since those are usually for shop skins

[past copper]

We’ll see. They might do what they did last year, but who knows

[cosmic crest]

Among the survey skins was a Y2K theme, which I really, really want

[spare fox]

(it's wild how Y2K aesthetic is retro chic like I WAS THERE GANDALF)

I do really really want more formal skins though

idk why I just like the way most of the heroes clean up and seeing "futuristic" formalwear

[merry mason]

Well there haven’t really been enough that actually came to fruition to show a pattern

[golden oak]

The ones we got were usually in shop, except maybe one toxic reaper skin but it was off theme anyways

[merry mason]

I’m just saying we didn’t get that many so I don’t thinnn in we can extrapolate

[peak escarp]

hard to say "usually" when we've only gotten the survey skins once

[spare fox]

yeah once again, people trying to see and force patterns where they don't and never have existed

and then proceeding to get mad at blizz devs for not following these fan-implemented patterns

[umbral patrol]

How will Kiriko going one season without a new skin effect the Overwatch team's production?

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[vapid tusk]

I only follow OW cinematics so has any new Hanzo lore dropped since 2023

[narrow turtle]

No

[sacred wave]

Why is it that widowmaker, after being kidnapped and brainwashed by Talon, at the time when she was retrieved by overwatch agents (gerard lacroix), why is it that the psyche evaluation that was undergone after she was retrieved was said to have seemingly left her "no worse for wear", how is it that Amelie or widowmaker killed her husband after being retrieved by overwatch agents unless they had an insider who was directing widowmaker, because I thought it was said she was a sleeper agent and sleeper agents usually need words that trigger a hypnotic response, but widowmaker seems to have done it and remembered it because she was seen in a comic returning to Gerard (her late husband that she killed)'s grave where she left a rose, almost as if she remembered her past and actually did feel remorse, which is supposedly considered a flaw in widowmaker's "perfect sleeper agent assassin" design? So how is it that this hypnosis or brainwashing is fading and how is it that widowmaker would kill her husband before her skin turned purple which was due to Talon slowing her heartbeat down and slowing her blood flow to increase her focus and aim and nullify emotions including remorse and happiness (other than when she truly feels "alive" which is after a successful assassination), it would have been noticeable that Amelie Lacroix, a famous and renowned ballet dancer in Annecy, France had a skin tone color change to purple and would have caused Gerard to realize something was wrong since he was her husband, if her skin wasn't purple yet, her emotions weren't nullified, meaning at this time, wouldn't it be safe to say she was only a sleeper agent, like in her Talon skin (where her skin is it's original shade), so who directed her to make the kill on the inside is what my question would be, but it's more of a conspiracy and something that'll probably never get cleared up

Food for thought

[grand wedge]

Did you read the short story from 2024?

[sacred wave]

They have a new one?

I'm sorry I haven't

Oh wait not me

Oops

[peak escarp]

Amelie was captured and conditioned into a sleeper agent
Overwatch's psyche evaluation did not detect anything wrong with her, so she returned to her life with Gerard
two weeks later she killed him in his sleep and vanished, choosing to return to Talon because she thought she had nowhere else to go
she asked Talon to suppress her emotions, which they did - all except the rush of pleasure she gets from killing (she was not brainwashed or had her memory wiped)
Moira also altered her physiology with genetic therapy to slow her heart rate (the idea being that that would make her a better sniper, but that's not how it works irl so idk)
she was also given training as a sniper, and about a year after returning to Talon was known as a highly skilled sniper and even took out the legendary sniper Ana Amari

the trigger to kill Gerard was probably something he said

a casual "I love you" before bed or something

[night trench]

Im not deep into lore so this might be a stupid question but who is zenyatta? Like where did he come from etc. Im totally clueless

[grand wedge]

Years ago, following the Omnic Crisis, a group of outcast omnic robots, known as the Shambali monks, abandoned their preprogrammed lives to establish a communal monastery deep in the Himalayas. After many years of meditation on the nature of existence, they came to the belief that they were more than artificial intelligences and that, like humans, they possessed the essence of a soul.

Recognizing the spiritual equality they held with humans, the monks, led by their leader, Tekhartha Mondatta, sought to heal the wounds caused by the Omnic Crisis a generation earlier and bring humans and robots back into societal harmony. Their message was embraced by millions around the world, and they became global celebrities.

Zenyatta was one such lost soul who embraced their message after meeting the monk Ramattra at a protest for omnic equality. Ramattra saw in him great spiritual potential, and the two became as brothers.

After some time at the Shambali Monastery in Nepal, Zenyatta was able to help his own student find peace: the ex-Overwatch agent, Genji Shimada. Genji sought healing from many wounds he’d suffered, beginning with the horrific duel he’d fought with his brother, through his questionable missions in Blackwatch, to the fall of Overwatch. In time, Zenyatta helped his student see both his trials and his cybernetic form as a unique strength.

But after Genji left his tutelage, Zenyatta began to see the limits of the Shambali path. He believed that the way to repair the problems between humans and omnics was not through dogmatic teaching but through interpersonal connection and engagement.

Ultimately, Zenyatta followed his own path. He chose to leave the monastery and wander the world, helping those he met to overcome their personal struggles and find inner peace.

(yes, it's copypasted from his official biography)

[sacred root]

Is there any new lore updates on sombra?

[keen summit]

there was one and its implied the person max is sending intel too is sombra

[ionic wedge]

Hello

[ionic wedge]

Yea me too I want the infinit invisible

[clever lark]

its a fantasy game lol

[tawdry hornet]

How are you doing 🥰🥰 everyone

[keen summit]

its in alot of games that take european inspiration

[candid yarrow]

Orisa is a part of talon
She has a griffon skin that gives her talons on her feet
Orisa has talon
Possible connection to talon organization ⁉️

[peak escarp]

no

[candid yarrow]

lol

[sacred wave]

That makes sense that the trigger word wouldn't have to be from a specific individual's voice, but perhaps from someone that is seen as a target saying an expected phrase could trigger the sleeper agent to kill that target, thanks for the insight

I just feel like, since so many people saw Amelie's face from when she was a famous ballet dancer in France, her skin turned purple, yes, but her face and structure of her body as well as her graceful movements and ballerina-esque combat style, wouldn't it be obvious to all of overwatch and almost all of the world who knows who the Talon agent Widowmaker is, to know it's Amelie Lacroix.

Also, has it ever been confirmed whether or not Widowmaker would rather live the life she leads as a Talon assassin willingly if she had the choice?

[peak escarp]

she's a sniper - they wouldn't be able to identify her from 1000m away

Ana did recognize her as soon as she saw her at close range

[peak escarp]

we don't know her thoughts on it

I would love to get a short story from her perspective

[spare fox]

Come to think of it, we haven't had anything from Widows POV since Alive

Other than Alive she's been seen only as part of a team or tertiary character in stories

[vapid tusk]

can u link >.<

[fathom pivot]

戻ってきました

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/where-honor-lives/

[vapid tusk]

"It figured that these low creatures would be found among the garbage"

hanzo is savage for that lol

[hushed jetty]

which is so awful bc i would LOVEEEEEE to see how she thinks

i need to see how a lot of characters think. her included

widow short story when

[peak escarp]

I like the part where Hanzo gets shot

[spare fox]

agree 100000%

[hushed jetty]

i am ESPECIALLY an advocate of dissecting mauga's brain and/or lobotomizing him

[random frost]

Is there any cowboy lore?

[spare fox]

he's a BAMF

[queen eagle]

Bad ass mofo

[vast spire]

doomfist every god damn game

this game is such trash

[spare fox]

!!shitposting @vast spire

[twilit nacelle]

@vast spire Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[vast spire]

@spare fox!!shitposting

[vapid tusk]

honestly i was surprised by the mentions of blood

[peak escarp]

it's rated teen, they're allowed some blood

[vapid tusk]

in the cinematics there's none

[vapid tusk]

me when hanzo didn't yell "Ryuga waka teki wo kurau" when using his dragons:

[peak escarp]

descriptions of blood are less censored than actually showing it

there is blood in the game, but it's easy to miss

[spare fox]

I think there's an option to turn blood on/off iirc?

[vapid tusk]

[queen eagle]

!!regular

[twilit nacelle]

The regular role is given to users who maintain good behaviour and visit the server to chat frequently. Users with this role gain access to special permissions such as uploads, embeds, bot tags, reactions, and role colours. Please do not ask to be given this role, you will receive it when you are eligible! ✨

[queen eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/winston-overwatch-stare-gaming-gif-17201519

[gilded hare]

How to get of masters pls any advices😭

I feel hopeless

[marble charm]

Channel name literally invisible

[past copper]

So I wonder if any map gets a new winter update for the season

[worn path]

im a new player looking for other new players to start a playgroup and rank up together! Please DM me (21+)

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[shy dagger]

Yes, whenever you melee someone a little blood comes out but it’s easy to miss during the chaos

[vast spire]

!!loreonly

[worthy rose]

Please look for a new channel to ask! Please message in here (lore only)

[past copper]

Just thought of this

We’re probably gonna get to see Hanaoka covered in snow since it’s Hanamura

Going to love to see that

[azure flint]

@peak escarp do we know hazards real name yet

[grand wedge]

Findlay Docherty

(It’s written in the comic, very small introduction on the first page)

[peak escarp]

^

[spare fox]

I am once again here, for the 8th year in a row, wishing for another Christmas comic in the vein of Reflections

We even got Watchpoint Gibraltar all decorated for the holidays last year! Let's goooo

[merry ginkgo]

hey

wrong channel

[keen ember]

Get better

[queen eagle]

Winstons built like the average janitor

[spare fox]

winton

[queen eagle]

Winton

Winston said to a character in an interaction (i forgot who maybe torb) saying i could make a jump pack for you if you want

[grave frost]

Torb leaping onto people with has hammer out would make my life complete

[past copper]

Welp, we should expect the season 14 trailer tomorrow so keep a look out

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/H-NNPY96fIU

[worthy rose]

Cant wait

Hope it shows Ventures skin

[flint rivet]

ooh that's soon! i can't wait

I hope in season 14 they have a bit more lore i'd love that \0/

[past copper]

Honestly, don’t know how I called that in time, but whatevs

[peak escarp]

this was posted on the weekend

we already knew the trailer would be tomorrow

[past copper]

Hadn’t really paid any mind to stuff Blizzard puts out. Busy week 🤷‍♂️

Still stand by my thought… Venture will get a coal miner elf skin

Would be cool with these skins

Although, bare in mind people hyped for Venture getting a skin, it will be in shop

That’s the new mindset for new hero skins

[keen summit]

I think vebture will get christmas skin with christmas tree drill

[dense belfry]

i hope honesty more venture lore or illari bc im gen curious about the new heroes lore

esp with the talon interactions with illari

i get they arent canon but that would be so cool if they expanded upon it

[worthy rose]

I am at this point indifferent about all the fractions they’re adding because nothing really happens since they scrapped PVE. The most exciting piece of lore was Haz with his attack on Oasis

I really really REALLY want to get into Illari’s lore or see her and Talon’s story but idk

They just leave bits and pieces

Sorry I ranted lol

[dense belfry]

oh no worries at all haha i do that all the time

illari has so much lore potential but they wont take it

shes a rlly well written character

i wonder if they ever write her into talon’s story if she’ll end up like baptiste

thinking talon is doing good but then finding out and rebelling

then possibly joining overwatch in the future

shes my favorite ow 2 character lore wise as she had such a traumatic backstory and she can’t apologize to the people she wronged

[worthy rose]

I won’t even mind if she’d believe in Talon’s cause due to her own trauma. At least she has voice lines though

[dense belfry]

it would be so cool having a new talon member that isnt a tank lol

last two have been tanks iirc (sigma and mauga)

bc sigma and mauga right?

[keen summit]

i never got the talon concept

its exactly the opposite of what shed do

[dense belfry]

i mean bap kinda was manipulated into thinking they were doing good things

[keen summit]

nah not really

bap "had no choice"

bap never saw them as good, more just neutral

he joined because he told himself he had no choice, that doesnt seem like something that youd say bout a good org

as you can read here and others, he never believed them to be good

he only saw it as a means to an end

wouldnt surprise me if she doesnt know ofcourse, but what would the reason be for her character story. kick her while shes down?

[peak escarp]

Illari has an interaction with Doomfist where she feels lost and Doomfist says the right people will find her

it's not impossible that they're setting up for Illari to turn to Talon

[keen summit]

i did call the norse myth

[spare fox]

Well that was a very mid trailer

[spare fox]

So Zenyatta - Aang
Probably then
Toph - Venture

Idk who else fits

Sombra Azula

Probably Kiriko gets one lol

[grand wedge]

i've read somleone say Appa Orisa

[grand wedge]

Kiriko Mai? WIth her knives

https://tenor.com/view/non-bender-mai-avatar-knife-gif-13718893

[snow fractal]

Kiriko Suki

Winston or Orisa Appa

Genji Zuko

[polar garnet]

yep

[jovial torrent]

BTW zen is confirmed the avatar

I messed with the picture and I can see his orbs lol

[golden oak]

Possible mirrorwatch Moira skin?

[marble charm]

Do you want to see the full collab?

[golden oak]

As a member of phreaks

[grand wedge]

Don’t share leaks on the lore channel, this is not the place

[marble charm]

Fair point I won't

If anyone's interested the collab skins are everywhere in #overwatch-serious

[grand wedge]

I dig that idea. Phreak Moira goes hard!

[golden oak]

Venture reference?

[marble charm]

Very fitting considering the only real antagonist to the phreaks that we have is moira

[grand wedge]

Obviously 😉

[marble charm]

Will be cool to get a few more phreak skins for different heroes in the future too

[grand wedge]

Yeah, like they did with the junkers skin kinda (like Ana and Dva from ow1?)

[golden oak]

Yeah and I really don’t have any other idea what this skin could be

She has the same neck thing and something on her forehead like hazard

[marble charm]

Yea exactly

[marble charm]

I suppose it can always just be a design the artists have come up with

[golden oak]

I don’t think her being shown alongside Haz in the trailer is a coincidence tho

[marble charm]

Mmm

They also have similar glasses

[golden oak]

So this could be talon haz?

Or am I stretching now

He does have that elegant villain look

[tawdry hornet]

Hello everyone

[golden oak]

Kinda like doom formal skin or max outfit

[marble charm]

Hmmmmmmmmm

I like that theory

[tawdry hornet]

okay are you into warhammer game?

[merry mason]

It’s Not that kinda lore here

[peak escarp]

I think it's just a generic mobster

[golden oak]

What do you think about Moira being a phreak member in that skin?

[golden oak]

Possible but talon color scheme checks out

[past copper]

Pretty sure it’s just another of those heist related skins

[golden oak]

No cuz they all had animal masks

[past copper]

Maybe, but he literally has the same money emote as Soldier and D.Va

[golden oak]

That doesn’t mean anything

[merry mason]

That’s just clever asset reuse

[past copper]

Not all of them have to part of the heist team ya know.

[golden oak]

Money is obviously a theme for mafias

[past copper]

Literally, there’s more to heist themes then just a team

Moira and Hazard skins could easily be related to the heist theme as the “main antagonist”

[golden oak]

Ehh

I don’t think a random skin line would get this much lore

[peak escarp]

it's just called Mobster

what lore are you talking about?

[past copper]

We have several mob and heist skins that can go hand in hand when you think about it

Technically, Art Deco looks like it would fit with this whole thing too

Honestly they’re setting something up, bc all of this look like something you’d see on Circuit Royal

Also, can’t resist pointing it out, looks like a certain fox ninja finally is going without a skin or it just wasn’t shown in the trailer

[dense belfry]

she has more skins than bap at this point and bro is from ow 1

[keen summit]

ill never be happy cuz we missed out on ram

[past copper]

Well, Ram just got lost in the void after new heroes started dropping

[keen summit]

im so pissed

this was like lowkey

the best skin

[past copper]

Tho, keep in mind, this probably isn't all the skins they wanted to show

From the seems of it, Ram has a chance at either a Winter or Lunar New Year skin

[keen summit]

lunar new year we likely know

[past copper]

Tbf, Ram really didn't need a Norse skin bc look who all are getting one

Rein, Sigma, Junker Queen, and Mauga. That's 4 tank heroes in total on the BP

[keen summit]

mauga isnt bp

jq is epic skin

and hey, didnt stop em before s6

[torpid anvil]

I need more of her immediately

[golden oak]

is it?

[peak escarp]

those are formal skins, not mobster

most of them are from the holidays

[spare fox]

ngl I was hoping for more formal skins

[peak escarp]

we do get winter casual Widowmaker, so that's a bonus

maybe there will be others not seen in the trailer

[formal wharf]

Guys is simple edit gonna be available in tournaments?

[shy dagger]

Are talon and Vishkar allies?

[peak escarp]

unknown

we only know that Sanjay Korpal is working with Talon, and he seems to have a significant position in Vishkar

[spare fox]

oh yeah and there's the blink and you miss it newspaper that's around Dorado and Castillo

that is announcing vishkar and lumerico partnering together

so that's a canon connection with vishkar

[peak escarp]

it was also mentioned in the Lumerico email leak that was part of the Sombra ARG, but nobody remembers that

[keen summit]

yeah, look at the weapons

[golden oak]

Look at the clothes

Is Sombra skin supposed to be Thrud?

[past copper]

Better question is Junker Queen Aurgelmir and is Mauga Heimdall?

[golden oak]

JQ is a Jotunn

[past copper]

Junker Queen is either Aurgelmir or another jötunn

Altho, other texts call Aurgelmir just Ymir for short

[golden oak]

Mauga is also a jotunn

Wait what if Sombra is Loki

Would fit her character

[past copper]

No, Mauga is clearly Heimdall. Note the horn, which Heimdall is said to have

[golden oak]

Heimdall is not blue???

[peak escarp]

the horn is part of a victory pose, not the skin

[shy dagger]

Do mythic weapons have any significance or explanation in lore

[peak escarp]

no

[shy dagger]

Figured

[past copper]

And Fenrir doesn’t walk on two legs, but Reaper got that skin. Honestly think that skin would fit Winston or Orisa better

[golden oak]

Reaper didn’t get a skin

It didn’t make it past the survey

[past copper]

Yeah he clearly did. That skin has Norse symbols on it

[past copper]

Fenrir Reaper

[golden oak]

Oh that’s it???

Looked way different in concept

[past copper]

You can’t have Norse mythology without that giant wolf

[peak escarp]

this one is just an epic

guess they didn't have the budget for the legendary version

[golden oak]

Tell that to marvel movies

[peak escarp]

disappointed we didn't get that Orisa skin

[past copper]

Marvel doesn’t use accuracy for their Norse characters

[golden oak]

Sombra stole Brig’s skin

[past copper]

Sombra probably is Loki, but kinda feel Junkrat would have been a better option

[golden oak]

Sombra has like illusions tho

Invisibility

[past copper]

God of mischief after all. And Junkrat is crazy, mischievous, and dangerous all together

[peak escarp]

they're both strong contenders for a god of mischief

[past copper]

Honestly wonder if using Jörmungandr was outta the question too

[peak escarp]

for comparison, here are the other survey skins seen in the season 14 trailer

Celestial Mei

Winter Widowmaker

[past copper]

Honestly would love to see more cosmic skins

[peak escarp]

I love the aesthetic of the celestial skins

more pls

Star Sheep Orisa is lonely

[shy dagger]

Or that Ram skin 😩

[past copper]

Orisa not alone anymore. She got Mei and Juno now

[golden oak]

What is ram supposed to be

[shy dagger]

No clue but he looks cool af

[past copper]

I think Ram was supposed to be the physical form of Ragnarok?

[shy dagger]

I think that’s Mauga

Or maybe idk

[past copper]

Or possibly Jörmungandr in a humanoid form, bc the face looks dragon-like

[golden oak]

So brig is Thrud then?

Why’s sigma a goat

[peak escarp]

no idea

I don't know Norse mythology

[past copper]

I wonder tho, is Mercy supposed to be a Norse Valkyrie or that skin unrelated

[peak escarp]

unrelated

it's called Rose Majesty Mercy

[worthy rose]

At most I’d go with saying she is Frigg, but I am sure it’s unrelated

And she already has Valkyrie skins

Hi everyone

[peak escarp]

this Pharah skin (Dragon Hunter) looks like a leftover from season 8

[past copper]

I believe Satyr’s were in both Greek and Norse mythology

[worthy rose]

A quick google gave me this. Is this something

Tanngrisnir (Old Norse: [ˈtɑnːˌɡrisnez̠], literal meaning "teeth grinder" or "one that grinds teeth") and Tanngnjóstr ([ˈtɑnːˌɡnjoːstz̠], "teeth thin", or "one that has gaps between the teeth") are the goats who pull the chariot of the god Thor in Norse mythology.

[past copper]

Thought the same thing, but didn’t care. Cool to see it late tho

[golden oak]

Now I’m mad it didn’t land in the bp

S8 bp I mean

[past copper]

Technically, they kept the Fenrir skin from the survey, but they watered it down

[golden oak]

I don’t think that’s a satyr

Glad they made him Odin instead

[past copper]

Hard to say. You got satyrs, pans, fauns, etc.

Altho, only satyrs were said to be dangerous while the other two more friendly. But whatever, he’s Odin

[golden oak]

Yeah but he has goat head and not goat legs only

[past copper]

Norse gods/goddesses family tree

[keen summit]

Or the fafnir one for ram

[keen summit]

The clothes are the same as base

They hid it well

[warped girder]

NAH THAT MAUGA???

[warped girder]

Really wanted the zen one

[vapid tusk]

bc he's the strongest Talon member

jk idk

Google says it has ties to the devil that's why I mentioned Talon btw (Doctor_Six pls don't !shitposting me)

Havent really seen much of Sigma within Talon
Is he no longer a part of it? Or just not focused upon

[fallow mantle]

lmao widow took an arrow in the knee

[merry token]

I wish they made the Genji winter survey skin real

Loved his little ear mufflers

[peak escarp]

they still could in the future

I hope they do, it's cute

[golden oak]

I don’t even remember that

[golden oak]

Wdym they made it look even better than concept

[fallow mantle]

i'm just making a joke about the arrow in the background looking like it's in her knee

[golden oak]

Ohh I didn’t even notice

[warm helm]

guys when is pink mercy coming back

[shy dagger]

How old was Pharah when Ana “died”

[spare fox]

In her 20's, she wasn't young

[cosmic crest]

26 aprox

[shy dagger]

Then why did Ana not tell her daughter at the time

[peak escarp]

because she wanted to leave her past behind

[spare fox]

yeah and besides, Ana did write her at least one letter

[warm drift]

[supple ether]

Blud ths isn’t only fans💀

[queen eagle]

Thanks for shitting on these fools

[peak escarp]

does nobody actually read what channel this is?

I swear I'm going to mute the next person who does this

[cosmic crest]

They do, they just don't care.
You must know this after so many years.

[peak escarp]

it was a rhetorical question

[cyan robin]

What would happen if sigma accidentally uses his black hole creation ability on himself would it kill him and everyone else in the galaxy

[queen eagle]

I swear

This is 1% ow lore

[dusk granite]

what does he mean im so stupid

[grave frost]

Baptiste used to be a mercenary I’m pretty sure

[peak escarp]

Baptiste is flirting

[vapid tusk]

They both are I think

[odd helm]

i think lucio rides on skates

not sure tho

[lapis lava]

Actually if you pay close attention they seem to be some kind of futuristic roller blade

do you guys remember that comic where briggete and torbjorn tongue dance

[odd helm]

AYOOOO

[lapis lava]

[odd helm]

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[glad pumice]

What is the reason zenyatta can fly, like I get he achieved transcendence, but w h a t

[peak escarp]

it's actually a mystery in-universe

Zenyatta claims it's a gift from the Iris

[glad pumice]

I see, the iris seems really powerful, I hope we see more characters connected to it

[native current]

Still waiting For Illari lore ❤️

[peak escarp]

I kinda want to see her join Talon

[civic peak]

Same

They should've made talon illari in mirrorwatch

[spare fox]

I heard the Illari-Sombra interaction twice last night in game

Def sparked my intrigue for that story

Hopefully they get around to that...

It's like, MOST of their media they release for the OW story feels like an opening scene for a movie

Very few of them are continuating stories

Maybe they'll fix that in 2025

[spare fox]

And new interactions on Tuesday to look forward to at least

[ionic summit]

Idk. I feel like she's lost but not lost enough to go that far

[spare fox]

to me, from the interaction with sombra alone, it seems like she's looking for answers to something

I could see her joining or teaming up with Talon for answers or to get vengeance

[ionic summit]

And with her interactions with doom and widow, idk if she thinks she can find them with talon

[spare fox]

yeah I think she's thinking and weighing atp but I don't think Talon can be ruled out for her

[ionic summit]

Bap joined because he had nothing left and thought that would help. With Illari tho? Idk

[spare fox]

true true

but it also wouldn't be above Talon/DF to lie to her or manipulate her, especially to use her abilities

or use her as a weapon

my theory: since the Inti were capable of keeping the peace and creating clean, powerful, and free energy

Lumerico is an electrical power corporation with a history of corruption, and has recently formed an alliance or agreement with Vishkar

whose leader is one of the heads of Talon

it's a hop and a skip, but not a huge leap

[ionic summit]

seems like something they'd do. they're already doing it with sigma. Illari tho, she might be depressed but she ain't stupid. if she finds out they're lying to her she'll destroy their entire base

[spare fox]

oh AND the Ministry of genetics is present in Runasappi, they could manipulate her with the (false) promise of helping to restore the Inti again or something

[golden oak]

Idk illari seems to have a very negative opinion on Moira

[spare fox]

yeah that's true

idk it creates some interesting conflicts either way

oh yeah and she has a negative opinion of Moira based on interactions but we don't know if she actually knows Moira at all

[golden oak]

Moira is pretty known worldwide

Someone so brilliant and controversial is for sure about to make headlines

[ionic summit]

wonder what the ow world would think about doomfist. he's bound to have some supporters

[golden oak]

General public mostly fears him

[ionic summit]

because of his strength and power. but his ideals. gotta be someone who supports 'em

[spare fox]

it's that DF and probably others believe that the world of OW has gotten way too soft and complacent

[golden oak]

Yea, talon members

But not even all of them

Moira and Sombra don’t like his ass

[ionic summit]

I'm talking about civillians

[golden oak]

He’s just wrecking stuff up, why would they like him

[ionic summit]

People here support our terrible leaders. A dude who wants humanity to evolve through conflict doesn't seem too far-fetched as someone they would support

[golden oak]

Except doomfist is not a world leader

[ionic summit]

no, but he is the leader of an organization

[golden oak]

I don’t think people outside Numbani even know him

[ionic summit]

i find that hard to believe

[golden oak]

Talon is not official since they’re terrorists

[ionic summit]

people still know about them and their fancy toys

[keen summit]

They are known about

[keen summit]

And lots know about doom

He was on the news was in museum in History books

[ionic summit]

plus i think someone punching their way out of prison and then killing alot of guards would get on the news

[golden oak]

I doubt he’s got a big following tho

[keen summit]

Especially someone as infamous as him, then the doomfist getting stolen and the attack being on the news

Doubt it too, but had to mention

[ionic summit]

most of humanity in ow is more focused on the omnic crisis. but there's gotta be some divide between talon

[keen summit]

I think lots in talon do follow him

Id say the majority

Mainly cuz well lots in talon are good fighters and his ideal world favors those

[ionic summit]

doom seems to seek people who are lost in life. they're the easiest to change i guess

[keen summit]

They seek purpose, doom gives that as he was lost

[spare fox]

true or they have an ability or something that he can use or exploit and he's promising them something else in return

[ionic summit]

only ones i think he's exploiting are sigma and sombra

maybe moira

[spare fox]

well yes, but that's a significant portion of the Talon operatives we know by name

and Ramattra, he's using Ramattra it seems

even though Ram isn't necessarily part of Talon, it still applies

[ionic summit]

he's tryna manipulate him because ram is the most dangerous character right now

needs him for something i guess

[spare fox]

well it looks like Doom is after the omnic tech

or at least part of it, that's why he sent Sombra, Reaper, and Mauga on the fallen null sector ship

[ionic summit]

mauga mentioned doomfist wanted to build some power core thing. and then mauga stole null sectors'

[spare fox]

yes because Doom specfically wanted it

now Doom thinks it's destroyed but Sombra has it

we're unsure if Doom wound up with it or not (yet)

[ionic summit]

doom wanted the data for the core so he could build his own. but then mauga just stole theirs

[ionic summit]

"he might not be happy now, but give doomfist that and he'll be all smiles". makes me think sombra gave it to him

[keen summit]

And he wants a war, ram is giving one

[spare fox]

maybe, maybe not - it's possible either way

[keen summit]

Still love how theyvthought he failed the mission, meanwhile he outdid it

[ionic summit]

really shows he isn't just a dumb brute. he's smart

[keen summit]

He just wanted fun, but did make sure to outdo the mission to make sure he keeps having fun

[ionic summit]

he loves fun... and people owing him things lol

[marble charm]

Tbh I don't think he's exploiting Moira

She's Moreso using doom to fund her projects and full protection

It's just he benefits from them

It's moreso a mutual relationship compared to the one he has with sigma

[spare fox]

well my comment was the "OR" to the prior poster

Moira would fall under that comment's category

about seeking purpose

[marble charm]

I guess

She sorta falls into that category because talon allows her to pursue what she believes her purpose is

[spare fox]

right when pretty much all other legit organizations have been like "hold up, that's gonna be a no from me" to her

[keen summit]

its mutually beneficial

i think none of the talon council is used

moira benefits from doomfists perfect world, cuz she also forces evolution through experiments, and does alot of stuff like that. so imagine a place with many people desperate for strength

Potentially willing subjects

[marble charm]

Yea

Moira also keeps a very valuable talon agent alive (reaper)

[keen summit]

that too

but for this reason is also why i think sanjay does believe in vishkars actual ideals

of a perfect world

but believes that to attain it, the world first needs a cleansing of all the weak and impure

[ionic summit]

I think sombra is

[keen summit]

sombra aint in the ocuncil

[ionic summit]

Really? Huh, thought she would be with how much she's done for them

Guessing doom still doesn't trust her

[keen summit]

she isnt no, we see her outright not joining doom and reaper after the mission

we never saw her at the table either

but it makes sense why she wouldnt be included

as i said most seem to well, have a reason to want or benefit from dooms ultimate goal

a war to "evolve" humanity. only max at first was questionable but now we do know he wouldve profited of it, but doesnt want to so is trying to get out

which is likely what the "i cant do this" line from a pve trailer a few years ago was for

[ionic summit]

Seems logical. My guess is also that doom doesn't trust sombra fully. Often seems like he's testing her

[keen summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRj-GotnNaQ&t=470s

it is funny looking at this

1 year before release of ow2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZl1yGUetjI&t=2s

but this was the trailer i meant

[golden oak]

I’d say most talon supporters just become talon members (like baptiste)
But idk if the public knows well what talon is doing (at least in the past) because baptist only realised when they’re bad when he was in talon

[keen summit]

they know that talon is a shady org who has done bad things

[golden oak]

Mainly because there isn’t really any benefit of supporting talon while not being a member
Since they cause harm for their OWN gain

[keen summit]

and are speculated to be tied to lots of things

(source: declassified, the only way to easily know what the public knows)

they call it an shady org that has a private military, and people speculate its tied to lots of things but theres no real concrete stuff

[ionic summit]

He knew they were bad. He had nothing left and they offered to give him a place. As he said "if someone lends you a hand, even the devil, you took it. It wasn't complicated"

[keen summit]

Well it was a bit more than that

He knew they were shady, but didnt know how bad

They needed a paramedic, he was one

[ionic summit]

Ik. Gave the basics

[digital star]

It also seems like Talon is trying to groom illari into joining them

I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same with other members or brainwashed them into it

Like Sigma and Widowmaker

[golden oak]

They pretty much kidnapped sigma and widow

[ionic summit]

They brainwashed widow. They're gaslighting sigma

[golden oak]

No they just made her a sleeper agent
Joining talon was technically her choice but she didn’t really have any better choice to be fair

[keen summit]

with sigma yeah he just doesnt really know something is wrong

he just got a new fancy lab!

[ionic summit]

Dude is delusional to a whole new level. Even when soldier tries to tell him in the interactions he just brushes it off😭

[golden oak]

Yes they conditioned her to kill Gerard, not to join talon

[ionic summit]

Something tells me she wouldn't want to join them willingly

[golden oak]

What other choice she had?

[ionic summit]

Literally anything else than joining the terrorist orginization that your husband tried to stop, kidnapped you and made you kill your husband

[shrewd saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/shreck-gif-15277617962254874371

[golden oak]

It was this or jail

[ionic summit]

Testifying against jail wouldn't be that difficult if she managed to explain that talon brainwashed her into doing it

[golden oak]

She enjoyed killing him tho

And wanted to do it again

[ionic summit]

Most likely because of what talon did to her

No one enjoys killing their soulmate just randomly

[golden oak]

They wanted her to kill Gerard only

[ionic summit]

and?

[golden oak]

I don’t think it was talon’s doing to make her enjoy killing

She was set free and wanted to do it again

[ionic summit]

you don't think the terrorist organization that wants humanity to evolve through conflict and war would make her enjoy killing?

destroying a city, killing multiple people and creating chaos are all fine but turning a woman into a killer? that's where we draw the line

[golden oak]

It wasn’t their intention since all they wanted from her is to kill Gerard, once she did that they set her free

[keen summit]

ngl i dont think they could

i think at the time they just took away emotions, but well what gives off such strong emotions?

well killing is certainly something

or seeing someone mourn someones death, like when tracer got mad at her for it

[ionic summit]

the whole "no emotions" thing is honestly very inconsistent because she laughs when tracer gets mad at her for killing mondatta and alot of her interactions and voice lines in-game seem like emotions

[golden oak]

They’re suppressed

[keen summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRj-GotnNaQ&t=865s

rewatching the story things now is both sad and interesting

like this scene

[grand wedge]

this mission was kinda playable in 2021.... 😭

[keen summit]

cutscene was done in 2019

at 30:26 i think theres alot of info WHY it got stuck

[grand wedge]

the barebone thing?

[keen summit]

nah

keep going

they start saying "we went off site and kept making new notes and new whiteboard of sotry ideas"

there was so little focus

it gives me webtoon writer style. where they add this and that but dont actually get on track. the types who'd spend a long time explaining how in a northern city they hunt dragons etc, to just then never mention it again

[grand wedge]

that was like in the very begining. They got stuck later I think, while trying to work both on hero mission and story mission and make it "blizzard quality" or something.
We've had stories with Declassified and Heroes Ascendant, those were wtirren years ago.

[keen summit]

i have a feeling they got too stuck in including ALL heroes in the story and thus made it well, keep getting stuck in limbo, then add bobby kotick who probs went oh then you should do this and make it bigger and grander for a random side mission that doesnt matter

thats what i think is what happened

because of the mix of both

[grand wedge]

there was clearly misscommunication and missmanagement along the way

[keen summit]

so they constantly how i saw it thought of fun new stories to tell like say idk talon infiltrating a ship, and thought "oh lets just reuse the brazil map" for bobby to go but what if you add it exploding and then add like special ways of doing it stealthy or loud with different reactions!!

and so it slowly started overflowing

[grand wedge]

what's make me sad is that the india mission is technically finished, and we'll probably never be able to play it...

[grand wedge]

yeah i can see this kind of thing happening. I haven't read the book about what was going on at blizzard behind the scene

have you? I think it's called Play Nice?

[keen summit]

i havent, i only know one book about it but it was done by a journalist who well, did make alot of wrong claims that sounded more dramatic

oh yeah its by that guy

so i am skeptical, as i prefer getting hard proof myself

[grand wedge]

yeah, there is definitely a dramatic tone he is using on his articles

[keen summit]

like for example it being cancelled

it isnt officially cancelled, its delayed till further notice. it doesnt mean they never want to do it anymore

its also noteable that it never mentioned jeffs involvement

making it even more... quistionable on certain details

[grand wedge]

oh the devs wanted to do it. the higher ups, not so much it seems.

[keen summit]

i especially am doubtfull of someone who has made his last year roughly constantly about going on and on about a company, then making a book about it

[keen summit]

the thing is, its delayed till further notice cuz theres no team for it

he also claimed "they fired the lore team" no they layed off most of the ENTIRE company

so yes, many people from lore team, but also from skin design, devs, marketing and more

[grand wedge]

and it shows with the content they're giving us lately

[keen summit]

yeah, i just dont like taking things face value

and firsthand interviews with "more than 300 employees" i do have my doubts ofcourse

but we do know that well, the people working on it were pracitcally overflown with work

cuz jeff refused to get a second team to work on PVE

and from what i have read and heard, its mainly stuff we know repeated 100 times

[keen summit]

btw how do you know about ascendant being that old

[grand wedge]

It as declassified being done in 2020 i think ?

[keen summit]

i doubt ascendant though

i doubt ahem lifeweaver was planned from that far back

[grand wedge]

The other was listed on Amazon’s long while tho…

[grand wedge]

Idk, he probably was on the work for a while, since they tied him with Atlantic Arcology which was mentionned in declassified too

[peak escarp]

Sanjay is not the leader of Vishkar

he has people he answers to

also using the wiki for information is a bad idea, better to quote the source

[torpid anvil]

i really hope we see more of the phreaks soon, i hope they get more of a backstory than "rahh fuck the system" with whatever the system is not even being defined

like hazards backstory is solid but i hope the others have good stories too

especially if they end up being playable

like i love them so much

[golden oak]

They’re anarchists so it’s any system for them

[torpid anvil]

surely theres more to them than that though right??

[golden oak]

Idk new character lore is quite lacklustre lately (except mauga)

[grim wasp]

The lore is ruined so the animation after Mauga unfortunately

[peak escarp]

how is the lore ruined?

[native current]

Tbh only Kiriko ruining Lore

[peak escarp]

[tame karma]

chat who the hell is Cassandra

[fallow mantle]

where're you gettin this from

[peak escarp]

looks like a wiki

people can add whatever they want to those

[marble charm]

An oc 😭😭

[peak escarp]

that list doesn't even include half the damage heroes

[queen eagle]

Mcree

[tame karma]

CHATGPT

[opaque tundra]

[peak escarp]

ChatGPT is not a reliable source of information

[harsh obsidian]

If you want lore in blizzard game play wow

[peak escarp]

if you want to shitpost about the lore go to #general-discussion

[shrewd swift]

Let’s listen and choose the music together in real time.
https://spotify.link/RBqX5EbLcPb

[sacred root]

What are all the current factions that we know of?

[grand wedge]

Overwatch, Talon, Null Sector, Helix Security, the Shambali, Deadlock Gang, the Collective, Oasis, the Phreaks, the Hashimoto… probably the MEKA squad and the Yokai. Edit : Junkers, Wayfinders and Vishkar

[keen summit]

phreaks

[grand wedge]

They are on the list

Probably forgot Vishkar tho

Which is more a corrupted company than a faction but same difference probably

[keen summit]

ah missed em

[keen summit]

yeah faction fits for vishkar

wayfinders

[sacred root]

Is the collective lw group?

[keen summit]

wayfinders too thats one we forgot

[sacred root]

Also the junkers you forgot!

[keen summit]

yeah

but tbf

there are SO many factions

and most of them are well, unimportant

[golden oak]

Venture faction (forgot the name)

Idk if deepsea riders are still active

[grand wedge]

Yes

[keen summit]

wayfinders

deapsea raiders u mean

[grand wedge]

Yeah, we don't know the status of the Deepsea Raiders, if they're still active or not?

[keen summit]

im pretty sure they disbanded

ah no

the activity just "died down"

[grand wedge]

Yeah, kinda same difference

[golden oak]

Stopped giving a fuck about the environment

[digital star]

Mei solved climate change probably

[keen summit]

she didnt

thats the point

[worthy rose]

That wasn't even her mission was about

It was studying the climate anomaly in Antarctica

[opaque tundra]

Declassified has a lot of information on other people’s contributions to solving climate change

[pale moss]

Am I the only one who doesn’t know anything about the lore but wants to know lowkey

[merry mason]

We can tell you. What do you want to know first?

[pale moss]

I don’t even know fr I think hanzo and Ana are siblings?

[merry mason]

Hanson and Genji are siblings. But now I wanna see the world we’re Ana is their sister

That would be so funny

[spare fox]

there's a pinned list up on this channel. Check out the videos and comics here https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/ I recommend starting with the earlier stuff first. If there's just too much to start with for you then just read/watch the stuff about your favorites and branch out from there. Other than earliest stuff first there really is no "wrong" way to go about it

[pale moss]

Ooooo thank you

[acoustic peak]

Is ther a possibility where genji and hanzo are half brothers

[grand wedge]

Unlikely. They have the same mother

[fallow mantle]

Hazard is 24, born Nov 11

Findlay Docherty is his name

[spare fox]

Tragedy struck when Findlay was caught at the center of a conflict between Overwatch and Talon in Glasgow. A dropship crashed into the flat he grew up in , killing his father and leaving Findlay trapped in the wreckage for almost two days.

that's slightly different from what the comic depicted

[sinful hare]

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[spare fox]

!!shitposting @sinful hare

[twilit nacelle]

@sinful hare Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[sinful hare]

??

You’re reporting this…

[golden oak]

They don’t change the BAMF to other AMFs anymore 😢

[acoustic ice]

don't know about you but i'm glad we finally got a non-evil mythic skin after back-to-back seasons of evil mythic skins

[golden oak]

Hazard is 24 yo!!!!

[cosmic crest]

🤨

I would not of thought that

Wait, how old was he when he was in the military?

[rare trail]

probs 18

[cosmic crest]

Overwatch was disbanded 7 years ago

And the plane crash must of been before then...

Don't tell me they fucked up the timeline and a character's age again

[ionic tide]

?

[rare trail]

um mustnt it have happened after ?

i think it had to have happened post recall no ?

or

idk

when was talon formed again

[cosmic crest]

An Overwatch jet crashing when Overwatch isn't around?

[opaque tundra]

I did the math and Hazard had to have been at max 16 years old when he got hurt

If you go for 7 years from 24, that’s around 17

I gotta check the timeline again but yeah I think Hazard’s age should be bumped up a bit

Unless enlisting teenagers in the military is normal in the future then idk

[rare trail]

um post recall is

[cosmic crest]

It definitely wasn't Neo Overwatch that crashed a jet in Scotland

[grand wedge]

yeha, should age him and make him 26 is, would be better. His physic when he enlisted is NOT a 16 y/o body

[worthy rose]

hay guys can you support my yt channel. im making overwatch content and im still at the beginning. i made 2 vids till now. be a day one subscriber haha. its FPS_Pharoh

[vapid tusk]

!!loreonly

[pallid garden]

https://x.com/mushroomiiee/status/1866585861946556907

Shroomiiee (@mushroomiiee) on X

NEW ORISA AND RAMATTRA LINE

“So, you were the one leading the fight against my forces in numbani?”

Twitter · Dec 10, 2024, 8:48 PM

can someone tell me what theyre talking about

[peak escarp]

read the short story Unity

[past copper]

Something to appreciate from that story is how much Orisa has really grown into a full fledged hero

Orisa and Efi both have come a long way since Hero of Numbani

[cloud otter]

Could someone tell me who efi is? I hear orisa talking about her in her line towards sojourn

[peak escarp]

she's Orisa's creator

she's a 13 year old robotics genius from Numbani

[cloud otter]

Ohhh interesting

Isn’t orisa like 18 in years now

What’s Efi’s age

[hushed jetty]

orisa is 1

efi is like. um.

maybe 15 ish?

or 13 i guess as doc said

[vapid tusk]

i thought that was lucio for a sec lmao

[marble charm]

......

[worthy rose]

Oh.

[queen eagle]

Horse and ram lore now

[native current]

Its two bucks in love?

[astral jetty]

Female reindeer gain antlers in the winter iirc so its either deer yaoi or deer yuri

[peak escarp]

or it could be a male and female reindeer

[astral jetty]

Do male reindeer have horns?

[peak escarp]

yes

[astral jetty]

I thought i saw somewhere that they domt

[astral jetty]

Aw man 😥

[peak escarp]

a male has much larger antlers, but both have them

[native current]

Let wish is that Yaoi ❤️

[peak escarp]

it doesn't mean anything

[native current]

Sooo
You checked new interactions in s14?
Betwen Widow and Hazard
When Hazard says to Widow to grow new legs like real spiders
She says: "that sounds.... horryfying"
That mean she gets slowly emotions back?

[golden oak]

She certainly shows more emotions in ow2

They changed a lot of heroes personalities in ow2 tbh
Biggest change is prob Torb, zarya and Junk no longer being blatantly omniphobic

[golden oak]

Widow’s response doesn’t match her character at all

I’d expect her to give some cold, insulting response

[fallow mantle]

https://youtu.be/FZnzsnGVnKg?t=275

mercy and genji finally got interactions

about the sketch

[golden oak]

Not them being friendzoned

[fallow mantle]

💀

[spare fox]

Idk it sounds to me like Angela is still carrying a flame for him but he doesn't feel worthy enough for her so he's sabotaging and making excuses to distance himself

[shy dagger]

I won’t say them as changes but more as characters developing and learning to be better people. Yes even Junk maybe he gained a new Omnic friend that changed his mind

[spare fox]

I like to think when he went on the worldwide heist he got a bit more open minded lol

[golden oak]

Or maybe devs don’t wanna make it canon to not upset ppl who want other ships

Wasn’t gency a self insert ship from Michael anyways?

[native current]

With Torb its make seans BC you know 2 years he could change mind
With bastion on thier side (brig probably changed his mind too)

[golden oak]

Yeah I get that
Zarya also made an omnic friend and it changed her mind
But junk is a pure retcon

[native current]

Hmmm tbh after realising Illari she gets more emotional
And emotional
Even Moira noticed that

Tbh
Brainwashing cant be infinity right?

[golden oak]

What

[spare fox]

Nah I just think it's a way to explain, "well if they were in love then why didn't they stay together after OW disbanded?"

I think they're going for the second chance or slow burn tropes

[native current]

I mean, the brainwashing she got doesn't have to last forever
maybe the effects that this state is ending are signs that she is disgusted by the words of hazard

[golden oak]

I guess but mercy is always busy with some stuff

She’s a doctor after all

[golden oak]

I guess
We don’t really know how Moira achieved suppressing Amelie’s emotions
Most assumed it would be a permanent change but apparently it’s not

[graceful cypress]

The lore is DVa talking in Korean (while your setting is in English voice) is the best

Wait, is it bad to joke in here? Sorry if it was.

[golden oak]

What

[native current]

I dont get it...

[peak escarp]

no

[golden oak]

Right it’s just a coincidence that the person who came with that lore for genji and mercy is an Asian man who’s dating a blonde woman

[peak escarp]

yes

Chu often said he sees himself most in Mei and Moira

the self instert thing was a malicious rumor spread by the Pharmercy community

[golden oak]

Well of course he’s not gonna admit that

I’m just saying it’s just too big of a coincidence

[shy dagger]

Dam

[cosmic crest]

It's not a coincidence at all
What are you even saying?

[golden oak]

Well

I guess that’s controversial

[rare trail]

there are a lot of asian men and a lot of blonde womenn gang

its not really that big of a coincidence

[fallow mantle]

just noticed they brought juno's shuttle into gibraltar spawn room

[grand wedge]

yeah, and put a memorial in Dorado where she landed

[fallow mantle]

aw, the text is super cute too

[grand wedge]

yeah, they are so proud that she landed in their village 🥹

[golden oak]

What memorial is hazard talking about in interaction with Ashe

[fallow mantle]

Probably a memorial to those that died when the jet crashed into the block of flats

[golden oak]

Oh

[shy dagger]

https://x.com/lcapussi/status/1866921689126248561?s=46

Krimas Uni (@LCapussi) on X

Orisa voicelines in Numbani @OW2voicelines

JUNIES MENTIONED! (Ignore the attempted harm on the junie :v)

Twitter · Dec 11, 2024, 7:03 PM

Who are the Junies? :0

[spare fox]

they are little AI assistants that Efi developed to help people out. They are what won her the genius grant that she used to (try to) purchase the decommissioned OR15 chassis

(Hero of Numbani novel)

[queen eagle]

Kiri: Hey you're pretty cool
Orisa: and you are a perfect 37 degrees Celsius

Man im starting to respect kiri a lil

[spare fox]

I love them so much

I love Kiri's new interactions with Illari

[queen eagle]

Ramattra hates efi ig

A new enemyship has started

[spare fox]

well she did create the Junies that thwarted his invasion on Numbani

[queen eagle]

Its like the opposite of a friendship

[queen eagle]

The junies

What do the junies even do?

[spare fox]

they are personal AI assistants

[queen eagle]

Do they fight?

[spare fox]

they are basically a little AI device that can do whatever

[queen eagle]

Man

[spare fox]

yup they can be programmed to fight (what Efi did)

[queen eagle]

Chat gpt has been real quiet when the junis dropped

[spare fox]

I recommend the Hero of Numbani novel, it's a pretty quick read

the audiobook narrated by Orisa's VA is amazing

[queen eagle]

Orisa has one of my favourite voices in ow

Its peak

Orisa should have a new ult

Where she sends the junies

[spare fox]

they're saving that for OW3 /ns

[queen eagle]

2 legged orisa and support doomfist

The ideas for ow3 could be endless

Skinny roadhog

And fat junkrat

[spare fox]

I have a feeling that on the long-term pipeline, they are prepping for a larger timeskip (longer than 2 years), hence why we've been getting mostly younger heroes lately

[queen eagle]

Damm

[spare fox]

it's kind of a theory-feeling really

[queen eagle]

Reinhardts death is gonna be sad

[spare fox]

😭

[queen eagle]

You're all wrong guys

Zenyatta is 33

The oldest omnic

[shy dagger]

They’re actually starting to make her similar to her cinematic personality

Which is great

[peak escarp]

who was arguing about the oldest omnic?

[pseudo rapids]

Y'all got lore for Hazard yet?

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/hazard/

[pseudo rapids]

Ofc y'all do, that's why I quit lore, too many sweats

[peak escarp]

it's not like we wrote it

[queen eagle]

No its that

People said zen is 20

[peak escarp]

he was in OW1

but they retconned his age when they decided that all omnics gained sentience when Aurora transcended

[sullen girder]

Honestly thought he’d be a like 10-20 years older

[queen eagle]

Yeah same

Zen is like

An old sensei man

[spare fox]

he's an old soul

[hushed jetty]

he's just Like That

[sullen girder]

Probably not mostly due to his body but you think we’ll ever get kinda of a casual/origin skin for hazard?

I thought this cause I remember torb’s ironclad skin where he had his left hand and I though they might do the same thing for hazard

[vapid tusk]

Orisa being funny was not what I expected in the hit game ow2

[queen eagle]

Brother

Shes hilarious

L + trampled + meet your fate + i am built different + immovable + EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE + until next time

[night trench]

Why does doomfist have a metal hand?

[rare trail]

he lost it in the crisis iirc

[night trench]

Where did he get the arm from?

[golden oak]

Kiriko low-key feels like a self insert character ngl
She was forcefully pushed into shimada brothers lore but they insisted on keeping her 21 so it doesn’t even make sense for her to grow up with them
She’s got bland ass personality also
But somehow she gets insane favouritism from the dev team

[ionic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-thank-you-the-office-dunder-mifflin-when-someone-finally-agrees-gif-5694004

finally someone who says it

[night trench]

I mean the first priority is to make money so the lore is just an aftertought to them

Honestly i think every new character is so forced into the lore

[ionic summit]

...except ramattra

[night trench]

True but post ram kiri and sojurn heroes mainly

Even though ram is the only one with comprehensive lore

[ionic summit]

kiri makes 0 sense, lifeweaver came outta nowhere, illari came outta nowhere, mauga was somewhat known about but not a whole lot and the 3 new ones are their own thing

[night trench]

Yeah i mean every gaming company falls into the same hole. Biggest example being fortnite, they had some actual interesting lore for a while but these days it just seems like they just feed the players some lazy slop. They dont care about the lore but they are forced to keep it going

But the difference is that overwatch is more tightly tied into the lore from the start so adding new lore will always be some low effort slop.

Reminds me of my essays in highschool when adding new characters. Always just appearing out of nowhere and somehow becoming essential to the text XD

[ionic summit]

Fortnite's lore after Donald Mustard left is the most unlogical stupid shit i've ever seen

[rare trail]

she wasnt like completely unmentioned and its never said anywhere she grew up with them

her age is a little messed up but not nearly as messed up as most people think

its like a few years off not a decade off

also like yeah she gets favoritism by the devs because shes a fan favorite, people buy her skins so they make her skins

and idrk where you get self insert from

[rare trail]

not so say she was planned or anything she def wasnt but its not like there was zero room for her

[golden oak]

Check her origin story 💀

[rare trail]

i have