lore-discussion

[real sedge]

that's what the "had" comes in

[polar garnet]

nope
zen follows the belief mondatta had

idk who ordered mondatta's assasination but it was within talon

i thought it was doomfist but he was in prison at the time

[spare fox]

I doubt it Ramattra but possibly, it could have been Doom

Or it could have been Widow acting on her own

[polar garnet]

might have been

doom said "i saw someone killed mondatta" after reaper broke him out of prison

so its clear it wasnt his idea

and iirc doom first met ramattara after he was broken out of prison

so it couldnt have been him

Under tight security, Mondatta addressed the joint human-omnic crowd. However, he was assassinated by Talon operative Widowmaker, despite Tracer's efforts to stop her. In his memory, a large statue was built at King's Row, and a memorial picture was placed on the stairs in front of the Meridian, where he gave his final speech. Talon's involvement remained unknown within the press. In the aftermath of his death, brawls between humans and omnics erupted throughout the world.

thats what the wiki says

yeah best to assume it was widows idea

[polar garnet]

tbf "tight" security is a stretch

they were slowly escorting him through the open while fully aware there was a sniper on the rooftops

[merry mason]

He met ram just BEFORE he went to prison

[polar garnet]

oh huh?

i assumed storm rising was set after that

mb

[merry mason]

Storm rising is how they got the info they needed to catch him

[polar garnet]

ah

i see

[past copper]

Sooo… besides the new hero coming next season, what do we suspect the final season of the year to be?

Especially since S14, Venture finally gets a skin

[silver stirrup]

Gonna be an epic skin, rarity was never specified at all, higher chance for epic or surprising mythic than high quality legendary imo

[spare fox]

next mythic should be either 1) another DPS or 2) another Kiriko mythic

I crave the tears lol

[worthy rose]

I think it should be wrecking ball

[spare fox]

hm we don't even know the theme for next season

[fluid brook]

[spare fox]

afaik they've had all the themes they announced at Blizzcon 23

Witches, Mirrorwatch, eldritch horrors, egyptian mythology... I'm pretty sure there weren't any we didn't have yet

[azure flint]

and mirrorwatch is the best one

[spare fox]

manifesting a lore season in the pipeline 🤞

[polar garnet]

i beg

🙏🏼

[wide field]

Has bastion met road hog

[ionic summit]

no

i don't think so at least

[twilit patrol]

No

[wide field]

Sadge

[ionic summit]

not that many ow heroes that have met the junkers if i know correctly

ana has

[wide field]

Elusive lmao

[ionic summit]

indeed

[spare fox]

well last we saw JQ and wrecking ball, they were hopping on a null sector ship

to go on a "road trip"

so I think the plan (at least was) to have them meet up other heroes

idk I like to think Junkrat and Roadhog would stow away

[ionic summit]

ram didn't notice?

[spare fox]

uh did you read the story? if not do you mind spoilers?

"A Friendly Rivalry" it's on the media page

[ionic summit]

haven't read any of the stories no. i don't mind spoilers

[spare fox]

ok so Junkrat's treasure was an old airship he was able to unlock in the "last door" of the omnium that J-town is built out of

and he and roadhog are about to be executed for reals this time so Junkrat barters for his life by giving the ship to the queen

the queen tells them to scram and asks if wrecking ball can get it flying again so they can take a road trip

[ionic summit]

aha

[spare fox]

so like, it's probably not a null sector ship specifically

it's probably something leftover from when the omniums mysteriously went back online

or around that time period at least

[random elbow]

Naturally

[hoary pond]

Ok this isn’t really about lore persay, but Ive written some characters that I with would lowkey be fire, and they all fit into the lore in some way, unfortunately I haven’t been able to pinpoint the one thing basically all their lore rides on, durring the Omni crisis, did vishcar make any weapons, like bombs or anything else to aid in the killing of omnics?

The story I’m working on is basically that they were makeing a testing them behind the scenes, blaming it on the omnics and over all just taking advantage of the chaos to further test the weaponization of hard light but idk

[spare fox]

This isn't the place for fanfiction

Iirc Vishkar was more about the monetization of rebuilding after the crisis

[ornate copper]

Any one customs made arts???

[worthy rose]

I'm guessing you're looking for non ai right

[ornate copper]

No i am a professional graphics designer

[worthy rose]

Yeah you guys do real art lol,

Sorry to even ask

[faint igloo]

i knew a guy

he said mercy was a african american

[ornate copper]

No problam

[faint igloo]

it cant be true

if it is im not playi,g this woke game never again

[ornate copper]

You are artist??

[faint igloo]

no

[ornate copper]

DM me

[astral jetty]

Mercy is the whitest white girl ive ever seen

[hoary pond]

Ever been to South Africa

[spare fox]

no, I think they're referring to concept art from when they were developing the game

there's a black man with a valkyrie suit as a concept

[peak escarp]

that's from when Titan had classes - the Valkyrie class was the healer

[last swift]

She’s clearly other races to, seeing her skins LOL

[astral jetty]

Mbmb im a new player

[last swift]

No she is the whitest woman alive clearly, but blizzard just likes to design her character as other races. Such as Chinese etc. when there’s plenty of other characters who can have those opportunities for those type of skins..😭

[astral jetty]

I think when they design character skins as other races its more of an aesthetic[?] approach? Like designing skins for characters that already looks vaguely like what theyre going for if that makes sense

Like for example if you wanted to make a skin of a character who has wings, youd go for one of the characters that has wings

[last swift]

Perhaps it’s an aesthetic approach? But I’m saying, I’d personally would like to see more characters expressing themselves as to where they’re from and things of that nature. They give characters such as mercy for example, mercy has about 4 or something skins for Chinese lunar? It would be amazing if they put that effort into giving characters with that background those type of skins since it relates to them

[astral jetty]

That is true yeah

unfortunately blizzard only goes for things that will make them money from what ive seen, 50 billion more skins for kiriko!!!

[last swift]

Yeah…she has received uhhh 4-5 skins this season?

They should give other characters more chances on skins, but sadly they’re money hungry

[astral jetty]

I honestly think that theyd make a lot of money if they gave venture a mythic, and i dont even play venture

[last swift]

Poor venture getting absolutely no skins, then Juno coming out and INSTANTLY receiving a collab skin

[last swift]

I don’t play venture either but I’d love to see them actually do something with her character

[foggy scaffold]

i hate venture with everything in me

💔

[peak escarp]

*their

[potent briar]

Venture should become the most canonically OP character because do it

They got rocks. Make them a Kiyoshi level Earthbender.

[marble charm]

I agree it's a bit silly but tbh Uravity for Juno was perfect

[astral jetty]

Venture rock skin when

Wait hear me out
Rock and roll venture skin

[peak escarp]

yes

give them a rockabilly themed skin

[last swift]

I agree, that uravity skin was literally perfect

[peak escarp]

leather jacket, greased pompadour

[golden oak]

Btw i need more skins like this
I LOVE casual wear skins so much

[spare fox]

I love both the casual ones like that (stuff like pajama mei, workout zarya, even the le sserafim ones) but then I also like the formalwear ones. Formal Doom in that tux is so 💯

[grave arch]

Doom Approaches

[feral skiff]

how does he fight while meditating?

[keen summit]

we've not seen him fight at all

so we dont know if we does, the one time he mightve gotten in a fight he was standing

[feral skiff]

not in the lore but he fights in game which must mean something

[keen summit]

it doesnt

[feral skiff]

why wouldn’t it if he does not fight in the lore and him fighting in game means nothing then he wouldn’t be a hero more like a side character or important character in the lore only

[keen summit]

again, it doesnt mean he CAN do it in lore

it doesnt mean anything that mercy can resurrect

that lucio can heal

that most ultimates are limited

that some cooldowns exist

that orisa can get cc'ed normally

that a human can survive one swing from reins hammer, let alone a normal human like ashe from what we've seen

game isnt canon, they just made him float cuz thats cool

[feral skiff]

yes but he can fight in lore he just hasn’t done it /we haven’t seen it

he has orbs around him which means they are used for a reason

in lore too

[keen summit]

and ram has the same orb

which has nanites circle it

they seemingly were used as ways to "connect" to the iris

but the fact that ram uses the nanites like that makes it not spiritual

[feral skiff]

but there are other ways to use it

[keen summit]

or so you assume

we dont know

[feral skiff]

exactly so we can’t assume he can’t fight in lore it’s kind of unknown my question was asking about the possibility so if he could fight how does he meditate while doing so see it as an IF question

[keen summit]

i never said he doesnt fight, i said that the one time we were gonna maybe see it he was standing. the rest is speculation

the game isnt good proof

[worthy rose]

Fighting is mediation lol

[feral skiff]

then what’s the point of it then if it isn’t good proof then why isn’t sigma a butterfly why is winston a cat or why doesn’t he have a taco shooter as a gun exactly the game is good proof and important to the lore

[keen summit]

Because all of these are also in cinematics shown or origin story, next

[peak escarp]

the orbs Zenyatta has are meditation tools, not weapons

he uses them to fight in the game only, not in the lore

[opal oasis]

What exactly happened to orisa that she is on OW side? I never understood why only she converted over.

[candid helm]

I read something that shocked me , was McCree the one who asked Deadlock to rob the train In the movie Reunion ?

[grand wedge]

She isn’t converted? She was build from scraps by Efi. And she gave her her personality.

She was invited by Sojourn after Null Sector attacked everywhere, including Numbani.

[opal oasis]

I didn't know her back story at all, and she resembled the robot faction in the PVE stuff so I assumed. But fair.

[grand wedge]

Her backstory (short) : https://youtu.be/Lvm0of3iDUU

Her backstory (long) is a novel to read, called Hero of Numbani.

And what Orisa was doing while Numbani was under attack by Null Sector : https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/unity/

[grand wedge]

It is implied, yes

he didn't go to them and asked them tho, more anonymously tipped them

[peak escarp]

he called them from the diner

[candid helm]

Ohhh So that he doesn't have to bother stealing it himself

[peak escarp]

well he didnt have the means to do it himself

but he knew the gang did

[candid helm]

There are really subtle details that are hard to recognize at a glance i love it

[marble charm]

And he can very much so justify taking it off the gang rather than stealing echo on his own too

I imagine bro would just dip before he has a run in with authority but "Mr Officer you got it all wrong- they blew up the train, I just happened to be around when it went down... you should be glad I'm here!"

[snow fractal]

Which heroes do you think will die in the future of the game’s story

[grand wedge]

Reinhardt / Soldier 76, probably

[snow fractal]

Valid, Im thinking Cassidy for some reason

[twilit patrol]

Reinhardt

[peak escarp]

nobody

[snow fractal]

I want Phreak to die

[twilit patrol]

Why ?

[snow fractal]

He’s Scottish

Jk I just hate the name phreaks

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-tails-knuckles-freaky-gif-12830799583270855342

[twilit patrol]

[cloud lintel]

Hey, remember that time when Blizzard announced they were going to release a playable story mode, but then cancelled on releasing more updates to it? Those were goooood times

[spare fox]

Not trying to cope, but they haven't officially canceled it

Realistically I don't think it's canceled, I just think they don't have plans on the pipeline for continuing it

[worthy rose]

I think you’re in the hundreds of people that made a comment like this in here

[flint rivet]

i think they've not got the people to work on it right now so if anything it' on hiatus. or it might be year and years before we get anythng from it at all. i hope we do get somethings.. on the way to overwatch 2..they worked...what 2 year on the story part alone with the skill trees and sstuff I do believe so i hope that find a home one day. I love the lore ideas

[dusk granite]

imagine the actual solution was to do what reinhardt did to that omnic 😭

[worthy rose]

honestly, to this day when I watch honor and glory I have the tendency to cry

no matter how much I watch it

[potent briar]

If only they did cinematic shorts like they used to

A Sigma or Ramattra cinematic woulda gone crazy

[sullen girder]

I miss the pve missions man, I mean they were so cool. And now they won’t make more. no one is even playing wrath of the bride and I imagine it’s the same thing for junkenstien’s revenge

[spare fox]

I played a lot of Junkenstein's revenge and instantly got in games so people are playing

[peak escarp]

I just consider the story missions to be on indefinite hiatus (like Doctor Who was for 27 years)

[past copper]

Hey, ya never know. They could shock us by releasing more story missions in the next season

Small unlikely chance, but given we don’t have even a hint of what next season is… 🤷‍♂️ who knows

Only thing we got is Venture finally getting a skin and a teaser for a new hero

[opaque tundra]

There’s a very very high chance the next wave of missions are complete so there’s a possibility that the next wave could be released + there’s been a lot of hints that the plot will progress soon

[spare fox]

manifesting

I do think they are experimenting or rather discussing how to move the plot forward, probably with MS

[opaque tundra]

Yeah they've been experimenting a lot lately with new mediums

The Transformers comic was a vertical scroll comic, the storytime vids, hero trailers, etc.

[spare fox]

mhm

they might also be taking what they developed (allegedly the continuation of the missions) and bringing it back to the drawing board with what worked and what didn't

because as much as people want the PvE... what they released just didn't work

and I think they know people want story and I think they want to give it

but the missions they released didn't fill that and they might be trying to see what they can do that does work

[opaque tundra]

I’m honestly really curious to see what medium they’re gonna choose for the continuation

I’m betting on either animation or comics

[peak escarp]

the new hero should be coming next season

[spare fox]

There's also allegedly a mobile game and/or a AA game coming Soon™️

Not sure if they're one in the same...

[hushed jetty]

oh that means we'll get the playtest soon. yippee

[spare fox]

I think during the OWCS we're going to get the trailer for the new hero and maybe a little more in-depth summary of them

and then playtest the next week

[peak escarp]

there's a special dev update on Nov 22 during OWCS

[spare fox]

yes during that

not holding my breath but hopefully there's a roadmap for next year too

but we'll at the very least get a preview of the new tank

[past copper]

I’m still curious as to what the plan for next year might be

This tank is basically the last hero we’re getting that we know of and the story missions are on indefinite hiatus

[peak escarp]

the last hero wev'e had teased

they'll continue the hero release pattern after that

[past copper]

Also, they did make a point to state that Venture will get a skin in season 14

And we’ve been seeing collabs more frequently

This is what I bet you is coming in season 14

[peak escarp]

pretty much every season

Gurenn Lagann would be an odd choice

[past copper]

Gurren Lagann collab with Venture as Simon

[peak escarp]

gurren lagann hasn't been relevant in what, 15 years?

[past copper]

Actually, it apparently got a movie in January

And technically, neither was the OG Cowboy Bebop

[peak escarp]

Cowboy Bebop had the live action

which is close enough

[past copper]

Yeah… but didn’t do anywhere near as well in popularity

[peak escarp]

I think the Venture skin will be a BP skin

[past copper]

We will see, but who knows. They’re long overdue for any skin regardless

Legit Mauga n Juno both got a collab skin like a season after their release

Still, this is how I see a Gurren Lagann collab
Venture as Simon
Genji as Kamina
Widowmaker as Yoko Littner
Reinhardt as Gurren
Wrecking Ball as Lagann

Or possibly Ramattra as the Gurren

Or D.Va as the Gurren instead hmm

[peak escarp]

you're thinking too logically

they'll give the skins to popular heroes

regardless of whether they suit them or not

[spare fox]

I do think they highly factor in "suitability" for heroes in regards to skins but yeah, popularity is a big factor as well

but otherwise, they aren't going "oh so and so hasn't had a legendary in X-number of seasons"

they have never thought like that and there is so much evidence to back it up

I honestly can't see why fans get their panties in a bunch over "this hero got skins before that hero" as though blizz has rules that they follow and the fans have it all figured out

and then get themselves upset when these imagined rules aren't followed

"you get what you get and you don't get upset"

[peak escarp]

Blizzard has never cared about an even distribution of skins

just look at how few Winston has, and he's one of the beta heroes

[spare fox]

I think they tried to do an even distribution for the first two-ish years of the game but then they gave up

because new heroes will never catch up

and we wound up with things like those super-lame summer games skins

ngl, I'll take recolors over "boring" skins (I know that's subjective) as long as the recolors actually look good

[past copper]

I mean, I like Kiriko’s recolor witch skin, but I’m not buying it

Tho, the Mei, Tracer, n Junk skins I for sure got. They look sick

[spare fox]

yeah def!

and I realized they glow in the dark too which looks amazing

takes me back to the 90s so hard

[past copper]

They’re definitely a hint of what we’re getting in the new hero

Hell, just look at the glowing holographic graffiti in Oasis and New Queen Street

Reminds me of when we saw the Las Muertos glowing tattoos

[keen summit]

again with living weapon

[keen summit]

its quite likely, midseason is likely next week or week after and then within 2 weeks everytime has been the trial

[ionic summit]

how do you even power scale that dude. is he as broken as people say or is it an over exaggeration

[keen summit]

we dont know

we dont know what his limits are

[fallow mantle]

Kiriko begs to differ on that front but I get your point. Lmaooo

[fallow mantle]

Tbh I'm surprised he didn't come THIS week. Midseason is next week tho so makes sense. There are like 30 days or less left this season. Midseason feels like it's come quite late imo

[keen summit]

nah its week 4 atm, week 5 is middle

its always week 4, 5 or 6

but its more that this season probs feels slow

[fallow mantle]

Ngl feels like this season began a month and a half ago

Doesn't help I finished the battle pass in two days as I had 47 tiers banked lmao

[ionic summit]

that seems like a common theme with most heroes. probably because blizzard doesn't give two shits about the lore

[keen summit]

blizz doesnt care bout power levels

logically so

[ionic summit]

that too

[formal rampart]

emre sarioglu as dps hero when

[spare fox]

I suspect they don't want to take away the hype from OWCS, understandable

and since they've known that that's when it's scheduled for, they probably are doing something slightly different for this hero release

they seem to be experimenting lately with mixing things up

PLUS Blizzard in the past has essentially had a holiday for most of December and into January for the holidays... not sure how it will work under MS

[keen summit]

All ill say is

I hope they return to ow1 style of hero teasers like theyre doing with this guy

[azure flint]

3d cinematic

[spare fox]

on the one hand, I wouldn't complain about a 3D cinematic, ever

on the other, they could tell soooo much more story if they took the money and resources from a 3D cinematic and focused it elsewhere, possibly spreading it out over different stories even

[keen summit]

That wasbt what all got

Instead im talking about ones like orisa where they just did map xhanges, that slowly build up to BAM new hero

[brisk river]

its confirmed venture skin wont be releasing in season 14 and is implied it will not be a mythic

[azure flint]

source: trust me bro

[keen summit]

opposite

they said it WILL come in s14

get your facts right

[brisk river]

https://x.com/aaronkellerOW/status/1824499503556431957

[spare fox]

I am so sick of the complaining about the Venture skin. Y'all are getting yourselves all worked up over what statistically is going to be a mid skin

and then you'll complain about how bad it is

[brisk river]

wait wrong one

[keen summit]

read

[brisk river]

oh my god i was lied to

[brisk river]

who the fuck lied to me

[azure flint]

yourself

[azure flint]

what im saying

[keen summit]

gullibility is one hell of a condition

[brisk river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1291155846855917580/1304158176937250817/IMG_5261.jpg?ex=672f0833&is=672db6b3&hm=71f3cb7d3d8f04f9e2102c1bda7d4494c3c784a067e82c8b526bc64cf891082d&

[keen summit]

i know the skin already, christmas venture with christmas tree drill

100%

[brisk river]

someone sent me that :(

[keen summit]

yeah dont believe everything

[spare fox]

[brisk river]

it was from a friend i trusted :(

sorry

[keen summit]

no worries

they mightve also been gullible

the next season probs has nordic myth theme, thats the best guess i have but that too is just calculated guess

[brisk river]

why do u think nordic

that would be awesome

i hope its nordic

[keen summit]

its based on the survey skins from last year, of which we now are getting one that was included

one of the survey batches had a batch of nordic myth

[azure flint]

dont listen to reddit lol

[keen summit]

its VERY possible theyll go for that

however, it could also be anywhere in the year, or never

[azure flint]

worst place to get ow stuff from

[keen summit]

this is from that survet

the mercy catgirl is dropping this season, so its quite easy to guess some more of these are coming out

[brisk river]

i want the top left one wtf that looks so cool

[keen summit]

thats nordic myth yeah

some were tracked down by me and a friend last year

only remember fanir ram and fenrir reaper

[brisk river]

it was from my friend who had it from reddit so i believed them

[azure flint]

blizzard cooked with the top left holy fuck

[brisk river]

i like the middle one sombra too

so many kiri skins ugg

[keen summit]

as i said, venture got 0 survey skins, kiriko more than ten and juno already 4

with 1 survey

there are 3 surveys iirc

[astral jetty]

IS THAT A REAPER CATBOU

[spare fox]

guys don't put too too much stock in those surveys

they aren't previews

they're just measuring fan reaction to them

[keen summit]

yes i know

im just mentioning that thats the only thing we can assume

[brisk river]

at the end of the day remember that it is a canon fact that everybody in the game roster the only thing they all have in common with everyone else is that they like pineapple on pizza

[spare fox]

I love that tidbit

I do wonder if it's true for all the new heroes as well

[brisk river]

i would assume so

we got the pineapple pizza souvenir at ow2 launch

[candid helm]

So .. Did Reaper turn against overwatch ( Jack ) just because of jealousy ?

[peak escarp]

no

he joined Talon because a) Moira was there and she was basically keeping him alive and b) he believes the whole system is corrupt and Overwatch was ineffective because their hands were tied by too much red tape

[candid helm]

There's something strange here , what is Reaper's goal? What is Talon's goal anyway? Since Reaper , Doomfist and the rest of the core members are the leaders , are their goals also the same ?

[peak escarp]

Doomfist's goal is to push forward human progress through global conflict

we don't know Reaper's goal, but right now he's targetting former Overwatch members

Moira wants to advance science at any cost (Talon provides resources and test subjects)

those are the three playable heroes that are leaders

other known leaders are Maximilien, who is in it for the money, and Sanjay Korpal, who is using his Talon connections to secure Vishkar contracts

[candid helm]

Hmmm

All I understand from the current events is that both Talon and Vishkar and the rest of the other organizations are not satisfied with the state of the world after the Omnic crisis and want to do something that is unknown for now

[peak escarp]

something like that

[sullen girder]

What do you think they’re gonna show on the 11th? I mean the new hero definitely gonna be one of them but what else you think they’ll reveal?

[peak escarp]

probably an OW Classic game mode

[past copper]

🤞 something about the story missions. Anything

And probably an animated short similar to Juno’s

Which by the way, not against the animation style, but just looked too much like Star Wars Resistance for my liking

[weary quarry]

Isn't that a new ow1 Tracer render on their social medias? I'm guessing Classic is the whole seasons theme

[azure flint]

bring back the old potg theme for the season and its peak

[weary quarry]

If they actually do that and bring back the old theme Im going to cry

[past copper]

Their not. They’re moving forward not backwards. Sorry

Especially since this is probably nothing more than an anniversary thing since OW2 was released in October

[weary quarry]

Yeah they probably deleted the ow1 files and 6v6 test is cancelled. No looking back

[hushed jetty]

i PRAY they bring back archives

i DOUBLE PRAY that they remaster the archives missions up to current pve standards

[azure flint]

we dont know anything yet bruh stop doomposting

[spare fox]

It's probably just a limited time event but if you like it, definitely voice that you like it and ofc log in lots. They extended Junkenstein's Lab and they're bringing back mirrorwatch at some point

so they are listening to the community, memes that they don't care aside

[azure flint]

og overwatch mode with only ow1 characters and their ow1 designs only with the old ui and old potg theme

and 6v6

aint gonna happen though probably

[spare fox]

it might but probably only as a limited-time event/arcade mode

though, many HAVE noted that even new Ow2 heroes have the "shield generator" lines

we always theorized that they kept it in their pocket in mind for a new hero with a shield generator ability

but maybe it's for something like this event or whatever it is

[past copper]

Depends what the new tank can do

We haven't had a barrier tank since Ram was released after all

Not unless you count Mauga's Cage Fight

[spare fox]

yeah but rewind back to around the time OW2 was announced everyone was complaining about "shooting at shields" for the whole game

[fluid oriole]

I pray for that more than anything

And the old overtime music

That was peak

[patent trench]

all i want is the old menus

[brisk river]

6v6 test is cancelled??

[twilit patrol]

No

[brisk river]

why are people lying on the internet

[tulip moss]

least problematic thing people do

[brisk river]

idk i consider misinformation to be pretty problematic. obvi not in this case tho

[merry mason]

He was sarcastically responding to the guy above him who said the devs are “only moving forward”

[pallid garden]

why would queen want to kill doomfist

[ionic summit]

Overlord challenging her throne probably. Either that or the challenge since doom is tough to beat

[worthy rose]

Is JQ evil?

[ionic summit]

She's a queen ruling over crazy people. Take a guess

[weary quarry]

No I was being facetious

[candid helm]

I loved McCree in Invasion and how he was able to track down every member of Overwatch and bring in new members , he's supporting Overwatch from the shadows and I love that

[whole jolt]

sswp djw tqwctrj umbpm syh xkwzamk mmwuzso

[brisk river]

gotcha gotcha, sorry for misunderstandin

[worthy rose]

...yes?

[ionic summit]

not evil but not nice either

[neon plover]

Does someone know why I can’t get friend request in overwatch?

[merry token]

Wrong channel, but if you’re a minor and made an account with your actual age, blizzard has made it so minors can not have voice comms, text comms and blizzard friends

[sage spindle]

that’s interesting

[left lion]

Nah they just put parental controls, you’d need to get whoever set up the acc to disable them

[edgy latch]

.

[spare fox]

just heard a wrecking ball voiceline setting up on Circuit Royale along the lines of, "numerous high value items detected. High priority items to be sent to [REDACTED]"

uh... WHOMST?

WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR/WITH RODENT?!

first instinct is the Queen but why would she be REDACTED?

[azure flint]

who knows

[spare fox]

👍

[marsh vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/aethelbeorn-delexory-vectus-cheese-pizza-cp-gif-26025852

[severe mountain]

Working for junkrat of course

[queen eagle]

Jq really thinks shes some kind of leader😂

Junkrat is clearly the junker queen

[brisk river]

i love my hamster 🥰

[digital linden]

does moira's weapon only work on humans in canon

or anything non-robotic

[peak escarp]

I assume so

[worthy rose]

This is for lore discussion 💕

[gloomy dock]

Too real for this

[acoustic vector]

Omg

I m so sorry

I didn t realise

I don t want to disrepect or smth sorry 😭

[sullen girder]

Just to confirm, is phreak a person or is it a title to a gang?

[spare fox]

We don't know anything for sure yet, but from the little hints we've gotten, "Phreaks" is a name for a collective group of persons

whether they're a gang, a faction, or something else, we don't know yet

[past copper]

Probably another faction. Why not? We’ve got Overwatch, Talon, Null Sector, the Junkers, the Deadlock Gang, the Hashimoto, and Yokai

Nothing wrong with expanding more of the lore

[spare fox]

I've seen some speculate that "they" (the new hero) could be two or more people/entities/mutants combined together

[past copper]

Vishkar and Shambali, I forgot them

[spare fox]

I wasn't saying that they aren't another faction or that there's anything wrong with speculating that, but we just don't know for sure

like we don't know how "organized" they are, you know? and to what level and how many there are

[past copper]

Yeah, but I can’t see the new hero being a solo act with all that graffiti all over the place. I see that as more of a group thing to do

[spare fox]

oh yeah, a group definitely

as in more than one person - we just don't know if they're like an actual gang like Los Muertos or what

[past copper]

Well it really depends on what impact they have lore-wise

They could be a lesser known gang out to make a name for themselves in some way

Heck, they could be the bad guys that Overwatch couldn’t deal with because more always popped up

[spare fox]

Definitely seem to be against Oasis/Moira

[past copper]

What would be a cool would be to see a gang of rebels out for themselves, but against groups like Overwatch and Talon

Hard to say if this is the case, given the difference between what they did in Oasis and what they did in New Queen Street

[spare fox]

And like I said, I've seen speculation that the next "hero" will be more than 1 character, either mutated together or going about "jockey" style with one riding the other or something

Which would be pretty cool and definitely different

[past copper]

Hard to say. Only thing we got is they like using holographic graffiti, messing things up, and something to do with crystals

Honestly drawing a blank on the crystal thing, but can’t wait to see how it’s apart of the hero’s kit

Fun info for people to go by here too

Yep. Can’t wait to see what Moira’s latest lab ra- cough project is

[spare fox]

fun fact but the timing is very apropos as there has been a new archeological discovery (some hidden tombs under the treasury) from over 2000 years ago recently at Petra

in real life, this is

oh and there's the trailer being released tomorrow (some assuming it's for an "Overwatch: Classic") but it's also interesting that the next hero will be Hero 42 which will mean the same number as post-(OW1)release heroes as release heroes

idk if there's a significance or if it's just a coincidence

[past copper]

Yes. I know this. Watched Expedition Unknown and found out about it

Love that show and all the awesome places Josh explores to piece together lost history

And pretty sure the timing is significant since Overwatch initially started out with 21 heroes

But even so, whatever there is to celebrate this, people should take it with a grain of salt as this “Overwatch: Classic” is bound to just be a limited time event

[spare fox]

I keep wavering between it being coincidence and significant

Watch it be literally just a trailer-recap that's a thank you for 10 years

but I also wonder if "classic" is going to be a game mode with limited heroes kind of like they did with Junkenstein's lab

I've been playing that a lot and honestly, it does feel better to have a limited number of heroes in some ways

[digital linden]

this is so interesting ty

[past copper]

[stable crag]

Ya'll think Illari would join Talon?

[twilit patrol]

No

[grave arch]

No

[stable crag]

Yes

[grave arch]

No

[stable crag]

Maybe?

[peak escarp]

there's a possibility

Overwatch has recruited new members, why not Talon too?

[spare fox]

I don't think she'd join Talon out of agreement with their mission

But I could see her joining to infiltrate and/or get closer to info or certain people

I mean she's 18 and (believes that she) just caused the destruction of all her fellow Inti Warriors

Might not be in the best headspace

[mental tendon]

what if there was a film that starred tracer but had the plot of the flash? (would kinda make sense tbh)

[past copper]

Happy Veterans Day Overwatch Core Team

[peak escarp]

[queen eagle]

Why the fuck

Do the pictures have no colour?

This isn't the 70s or some shit

[spare fox]

... bruh

[peak escarp]

it's called sepia tone and it's an artistic style

[azure flint]

kinda lame reaper doesn't have an origins skin or wtv like ana and soldier

iirc

i guess blackwatch is the closest

[peak escarp]

they could easily do a recolour of Blackwatch for that

call it Strike Commander

[azure flint]

strike commander reyes

[swift trout]

Well OW does take place in the 2070s…

[golden oak]

Tbh his outfit there is kinda lackluster

I do crave more lore and casual skins tho

[marble charm]

Isn't blackwatch like

Canonically his crisis fit

Because during the crisis he was blackwatch leader

[golden oak]

Blackwatch was after crisis I think

You can see his crisis fit briefly in genesis animation + I think also soldier 24 counts as crisis fit

[dusk granite]

do you think jack would hate veteran's day because of his overwatch past

same with reaper

[peak escarp]

it probably brings up bad memories

[native current]

Hmmm This Hood what Ana have now is some type of Hijab?

Or just design for sniper

[hushed jetty]

i think its just a design, she doesnt appearrrr to be hijabi? i dont even know if she's muslim

you can see her hair sticking out from the hood anyway which (im far as im aware) you arent supposed to do with a hijab

[peak escarp]

she could be non-practicing

tattoos are against muslim practices too

[spare fox]

yeah I think with Ana they especially want to skirt the line and make it nebulous

so as not to upset anyone either way

[peak escarp]

the only heroes we have confirmed religions for are Soldier and Reaper

[polar garnet]

i mean
what about zen

fictional religion?

Oxford Dictionaries defines religion as the belief in and/or worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

like the iris

so you could say shambali is a religion ig

[cedar shuttle]

? Wait what

[keen summit]

have any more teasers been found

[golden oak]

Yeah zen also

[spare fox]

Teasers?

[keen summit]

for new hero, last time midseason had a teaser

[azure flint]

probably not

just gonna have to wait until the test

[spare fox]

Might have put it out with the season launch so as not to conflict with the Classic hype

[errant minnow]

Would you rather
A. Be Mei (everyone you knoe and love will die frozen)
B. Be Illari (everyone you know and love will die being burn)

[sudden wolf]

mei

at least mei doesn't also live with the insane guilt that everybody dying was technically because of her

[spare fox]

not saying that that's untrue, but survivor's guilt is horrible and eats away at you too

oh and a technicality: not everyone Mei knew and loved died frozen. Winston and Jiayi didn't die

[sudden wolf]

well yes, both have survivor's guilt, but one is by far worse

mei went to cryosleep and woke up to all of her friends dead

illari's awakening exploded and burned alive her entire city, family, and people

[spare fox]

not the entire city and people, "just" the entirety of the Inti Warriors and the ceremony place

there's still people and a city/town in Runasapi

not that it makes it any better

[peak escarp]

the last space on their dogtags is for religion - Gabe is atheist/no religion, Jack is Catholic

[peak escarp]

at least with Illari they were instantly vaporized - Mei had to see their frozen corpses

[spare fox]

ngl I kind of strongly dislike the whole, "which traumatic event in X or Y hero's backstory is worse?" line of questioning

it's an extremely difficult thing to both quantify and qualify

[peak escarp]

agreed

[spare fox]

I hate the "which hero is strongest/would win" worse however

it seems like you're in the middle of an interesting discussion, then suddenly: "who would win Sigma or Doomfist" ughhh

[fallow mantle]

we all know that the busan train and the cars are the strongest

[hoary pond]

Sigma

Sigma would win

Like actually if your talking raw strength, even lore wise, doom neeeds 1 thing and that’s momentum, be cannot build this momentum if caught in a sigma ult, in lore, sigma had a nasty habit of just making gravitational distortions around him, sigma would lillterally just open a black hole in lil bros chest and poof

[spare fox]

ye I dont care

[cedar shuttle]

Wild

[snow fractal]

I think Torbjorn would win

[sudden wolf]

not to be that guy but like yeah sigma is the single most powerful hero in overwatch canon

idk why people even debate it

a character that can create black holes is going to outclass all of the other ones lol

imo i find those debates a bit interesting because overwatch lore is kinda poopoo and the stories don't connect without speculation to tie them together

[keen summit]

this all is a reach

sigma doesnt have a confirmed amount of output in lore

the only thing we have officially seen is lifting pens and small rocks

and the black hole incident was with a whole space station and equipment

[keen summit]

to this again, we dont know if he can on command

its an illari situation where we only have officially seen em do that in an environment made for it

[hoary pond]

Fair, but let’s say at 64 years old (age on release I think) he had just started getting good with his powers (pulling objects n stuff) he’s now had 7 ish years to master them, (also ingame doom kinda booty against sigma )

[keen summit]

We still dont know how strong he is, what his output can be etc

It doesnt matter how much you train the output doesnt necessarily change

[peak escarp]

Sigma cannot create black holes

he made one ONCE, for a fraction of a second, and it destroyed his mind

it's the same situation with D.Va - she blew up her mech ONCE and it nearly killed her

[dusk granite]

what if he did it twice would his mind be restored or would it go crazy even more

[peak escarp]

it would probably kill him

[snow fractal]

So Sigma can lift Thor’s hammmer since the hammer is only unliftable due to having infinite gravity

[dusk granite]

he probably can honestly

[spare fox]

Honestly I think this is part of the fantasy aspect of sci fi that OW will embrace: IF he is able to do it again, I think something BIG will happen

Whereas irl, like yeah he's gonna die

[dusk granite]

lets not get too high on what overwatch does

lol

[snow fractal]

I need some other company to take care of Overaatch’s lore

I love its lore

[dusk granite]

hopefully they rewrite kiriko's entire story

[snow fractal]

Same, hell i even rewrote it

[spare fox]

I mean, it is sci-fi fantasy. Or "soft" sci fi as some say

[snow fractal]

I want kIriko to get shot in a 7/11

[dusk granite]

i like to think that kiriko is a schizophrenic and she thought she trained with genji and hanzo but she really didn't

to feel better

[snow fractal]

Lol thats good

[dusk granite]

i mean it can also explain how she's a insane person for thinking the fox spirit protects her so she can have the worst diet of eating donuts

so it works out

[snow fractal]

Spirits arent real

All the Shimadas are crazy

[golden oak]

Dogtags?? 💀 is that really how they’re called?

I thought they were like military tags or just tags

[peak escarp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_tag

the fox spirit is real

the dragons are energy projections made to imitate the fox spirit

Kiriko's lore doesn't need to be rewritten, they just need to correct her age

[sudden wolf]

idk her lore is pretty bad

[dusk granite]

its funny too because even though illari has 0 to no connection with any of the overwatch team or talon her story is still better

[sudden wolf]

• way too young to have trained with hanzo and genji
• no real explanation for kitsune in a game whose philosophy was "no magic" for a very long time
• janky insert into an already-snug narrative that didn't want or need a third character
• (not really lore) extremely condescending personality that does not match her cinematic personality
• (also not really lore) another victim of japanese person wall climber syndrome

[dusk granite]

off topic

imagine the wastelander film if overwatch was 17+

junker queen would've been more relentless

[worthy rose]

Oh nah

💀

[polar garnet]

icl yeah

it’s fairly annoying because it’s a bit out of character for jq

sparing those people

[dusk granite]

i mean its in the rules to give mercy and stuff

but yeah i get that

[peak escarp]

Kiriko's correct age is 26, which makes her old enough to have trained with Genji and Hanzo as a child (she would be 4/5, Genji 15/16 and Hanzo 17/18)

the "no magic" thing was said only once in regards to Hanzo's dragons, and it still holds true - the dragons are not magic

[wide field]

What do they be then

[merry token]

Special electricity field weapons or smth

[merry token]

From Hanzo Kiriko story

[wide field]

I c ty

[golden oak]

“No magic” was more of an unwritten rule
But they didn’t really stick with it since the start since hanzo and genji also control spirits and they’re release heroes

[golden oak]

But hanzo says “only a shimada can control the dragons” in the cinematic, so if this is just tech than this sentence would make no sense (unless the swords have fingerprint recognition or something)

This line heavily implies that the dragons are some spirits that their family can communicate with and they grant them those powers

Which is very similar to Kiriko’s case

[worthy rose]

Given Sci Fi, probably genetic recognition

[peak escarp]

only the Shimada can control the dragons because only the Shimada had the weapons that make them

that is, until Kiriko's father was abducted by the Hashimoto and forced to make weapons for them

Where Honor Lives confirmed that the weapons made by her father are energy based

[spare fox]

what I want to know: how does hard light manipulation work?

while we know architects need to be brilliant and creative, super intelligent, does that mean that anyone with those traits could use it? or is there a genetic component to it as well?

or perhaps a skill that some people just have and some people don't, despite intelligence or brilliance

[peak escarp]

maybe it's something anyone can learn

but Vishkar only chooses to teach people they deem gifted

[spare fox]

yeah def not enough info given to us

tale as old as time lol

[worthy rose]

ugh

[rare trail]

that doesnt make sense man

why would hanzo not just assume the sword is stolen if he sees an assassin wielding it

like what 😭

[spare fox]

what? are you talking about the Dragons cinematic?

[golden oak]

Yes but genji’s sword must’ve disappeared after genji’s “death”
Of course Genji took it with him but it could’ve been someone else

[golden oak]

Yeah, that was my point
Someone could’ve stolen it since it was left alone along with genji’s body

[golden oak]

Well I guess they could’ve retconed it but then why release kiriko who also breaks their own rule

[spare fox]

I think Genji sometimes went back and snuck into the Shimada castle, just like Hanzo, and retrieved the sword along with a few other things like the photo with his brother

Genji did say that he knew Hanzo came back in secret every year to leave offerings so he must've been there at some point

[golden oak]

Exactly, so anyone could do the same

[spare fox]

I guess so, and that's probably what Hanzo initially thought

[golden oak]

But hanzo didn’t say “you stole shimadas weapon” instead he said only shimada can control the dragons as if someone else picked it up they wouldn’t be able to unleash them

[spare fox]

right, he was confused as to who this unknown assassin was

but then later on we find out that Kiri's father is making weapons for the Hashimoto, but purposefully not as good as the Shimada weapons

so they work kinda the same but not exactly. They're like the Great Value brand spirit weapons I guess.

[golden oak]

This choice from blizzard makes no sense but ok

[spare fox]

wait what doesn't make sense about it?

[golden oak]

First acting like those are spirits that only shimadas can control,
Then releasing kiriko who can also control a spirit
And now they say the dragon weapons are actually tech

[spare fox]

well, Hanzo specifically says "only a Shimada can control the dragons"

do the Hashimoto have dragon-weapons?

and also we know that Kiriko's kitsune is a spirit, not a weapon

[golden oak]

Yeah, what’s the point of wanting to preserve the no magic rule with other heroes when kiriko exists

[spare fox]

idk it's kind of looking like they threw out that "rule"

as it was mentioned by Michael Chu years and years ago now and he hasn't worked on OW in almost 5 years

[golden oak]

Then what’s the point of saying that spirit dragons are actually tech based

[golden oak]

Wait when was kanezaka added

Map

[spare fox]

because they kind of are? they're crafted into the weapons somehow

[golden oak]

So it’s a combination of spirit and technology?

[spare fox]

idk, it's not really worth it to get so hung up on it as we don't have an explanation

[spare fox]

I guess so, or you can think of it like it only works with Shimada DNA if you want

and only Shimada are trained in the way of wielding it properly

[wise hull]

lore= I farted

[sage spindle]

how lovely

[stiff tartan]

January of 2021 if i recall correctly

That s when they gave us the post about kirikos fatger being held hostage by the hasgimotos so he could make them weapons

[peak escarp]

because not everything is magic?

even when magic exists, things can have technological explanations

[dusk granite]

[vast swift]

ARE THE PHREASK TORN BETWEEN 2 REALITIES??!!!!

HEAR ME OUT THE PHREASK AT THE END OF THE TRAILER IS IN A DIFFERENT SPOT TO THE PHREAKS IN-GAME

and the only reason tracer is anchored in this timeline is due to winton

and phreask most likely dont have a winton

and the guy is scottish (british) and tracer is english (also british)

i think im cooking :3

[peak escarp]

probably not

Tracer's condition is because of a very specific event that happened to her

the trailer being different doesn't mean anything

[polar garnet]

SCOTTISH HERO?

LFG

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[next moth]

SCOTLEND FER EVRR!!!!!

[vast swift]

a weird thing in time due to the BRITISH military

[peak escarp]

due to Overwatch

it was their plane, Tracer was just being borrowed to fly it

[shy dagger]

What happened to Dr. Winston? (Winston’s father)

Did he die on lunar colony? And if so how

[peak escarp]

he was killed in the ape uprising

it's implied that he got locked out of the airlock

[hushed jetty]

phreak drops next season right? when does season 14 start

so we could expect in-game hints sometime next week or perhaps the week after

awesome
im SO excited, they tend to cook with tank lore

[fallow mantle]

I like to think he's alive because of the Overwatch Intel Database from Invasion - Winston's in a chatroom with someone called Harold

[shy dagger]

Dam, rip :(

[shy dagger]

That’d be cool. Like he and Winston are still chatting father & son style🥹

[queen eagle]

Her condition is being British

I hope she recovers

[peak escarp]

there are other people named Harold in the world

and if Harold Winston was still alive it would be a huge plot hole

[spare fox]

See, I just don't buy it, we don't have anything specifically saying he's dead or he died... I feel like there's more clues that har0LD that Winston was chatting with was Dr. Harold Winston than not

[hushed jetty]

they certainly are under the impression that he's dead but im sure they could find a way to bullshit his survival

maybe he's been held hostage by the apes this whole time

[spare fox]

it wouldn't really be bullshit, all it says is that the apes killed "the mission scientists"

maybe Dr. Winston wasn't there, just like Dr. Chiao wasn't there

and Dr. Winston's spacesuit wasn't on HLC map, maybe he was on leave on earth or something when it happened

[peak escarp]

But his life was thrown into chaos when the other gorillas led an uprising, killed the mission scientists, and claimed the colony for their own.

Harold Winston was one of the mission scientists

therefore, explicit confirmation that he is dead

his spacesuit is missing because it's implied (via the emails found in the first HLC teaser) that Harold was outside the base for some reason and got locked out

if he did somehow survive, there's too many holes

how did he survive? how did he get back to Earth? why didn't he contact Winston for thirty years?

the only "evidence" that HarOLD is Harold Winston is the name Harold

[sullen girder]

You think we’ll receive another animal hero? We have only 2 animals in this game, 3 of you count orisa since she does of 4 legs like a horse

[peak escarp]

not likely

the closest we'll get are the Phreaks being humans spliced with animal DNA

[spare fox]

like I said, Dr. Chiao was one of the mission scientists too, but she's not dead

[peak escarp]

she left long before then

we know Harold was there when the apes went nuts

[spare fox]

wait, thirty years? where are you getting that from?

[peak escarp]

sorry, I was thinking of the omnic crisis

thirteen-ish years

[spare fox]

all good I was just confused

[peak escarp]

still, that's a long time to not make contact or for anyone else to realize that one of the supposedly-dead HLC scientists is living safely on Earth

[spare fox]

that's assuming he didn't make contact with anyone? why wouldn't he? he has a kid and grandkid

like I said, maybe he wasn't physically at the colony during the uprising

maybe those messages were sent remotely or were sent by the apes impersonating him to lure in the other scientists

[peak escarp]

sounds unlikely

[keen summit]

i just realized, ashes bio has a mistake in it

they dont close brackets

[spare fox]

the 2025 OW wall calendar is really stepping it up this year where each month features the amazing splash art for various seasons (instead of just having some random press art or screenshots of heroes and their names like in the past)

https://a.co/d/biVxCG8

[blazing linden]

Hello
What are you talking about now? Should I join in?

[spare fox]

and I think, either today or Monday we'll get another short story release - probably Lucky Man

which will probably be the final release from Heroes Ascendant

OR they could pull another "Pocket King" on us and release yet another brand new story

or we could get nothing which is entirely likely too

[hasty socket]

is moira the only evil support ?

[rare trail]

yeah

well some people might contend eith the word "evil" but shes the only villain

illari is the second closest

but shes miles away from moira

[keen summit]

illari aint close to evil

cuz it all was an accident, if you got a nuke planted in you and you accidently set it off, are you evil?

[spare fox]

yeah the support characterization kind of limits itself to neutral-to-good characters

evil would pretty much have to be Moira I guess

interested in medicine and support but isn't a good person? idk

[keen summit]

i mean ngl i dont think it matters

dps is damage dealers

and mei is there

support can be anything really, its just that i think blizz believes all players want more mercy types

[peak escarp]

they dropped the ball... should have had the heroes birthdays marked on the calendar

[vast swift]

didnt specifcy ALL mission scientsts btw, so some of them might be alive

[vast swift]

honeslty im like 90% sure this is true

they did ow classic

from an old time

so different

and the trailer

adn exactly 2 maps were teased

and the vandanium was found at petra(i think) which is an ancient site

so a lot of stuff still adds up

[peak escarp]

"the mission scientists" implies all of them

[vast swift]

implies... u then said it was EXPLICIT information

[peak escarp]

well it doesn't say "some of" or "most of"

[vast swift]

and it doesnt say all

[peak escarp]

or some other qualifier that leaves an opening

it doesn't need to say all

all is implied by "the"

[vast swift]

again, it was implied... YOU SAID EXPLICIT NOT IMPLCITI

[peak escarp]

I used the wrong word

[vast swift]

oke :D

[peak escarp]

the biggest argument against Harold being alive is why would he be? what's the point of making a dead character who is central to the memory and character development of a hero suddenly be alive somewhere in secret?

it would be like Gerard secretly being alive, or Mondatta, or Sojiro Shimada

it makes no sense

[rare trail]

bro what

[spare fox]

Why would it be in secret? And who said he hasn't been in contact with Winston the whole time he's been on earth?

[peak escarp]

then why would Winston act like Harold is dead? why hasn't Lucheng celebrated the return of one of their scientists? why isnt it international news that there was a survivor of the Horizon Lunar Colony?

if Harold is alive, where has he been and why hasn't he been talked about?

at the very least Winston wouldn't be lonely at Christmas

[merry mason]

I’d hate if Harold was actually alive and I do think that they would have to explain a lot or it to even make sense let alone be a good choice, but at the same theres no thematic reason to introduce somebody with the same name as someone important to another character in the scene but then have them completely unrelated.

[spare fox]

Because he wasn't a "survivor" he just might have been on leave or back on earth or something before the uprising just like Dr. Chao

And as for Christmas, Dr. Winston obviously has his own family, and Winston had Tracer and Emily visiting in Gibraltar

[peak escarp]

we know Harold was there during the uprising

he messaged the team after being locked out of the airlock

[peak escarp]

who uses their real name as their screen name?

[spare fox]

I've already explained that so

[peak escarp]

your explanation doesn't make sense

why would he send an urgent message about the airlock if he wasn't there?

how would he even know there was an issue?

and if he was just monitoring it remotely and saw a problem, why would he say emergency?

there are too many questions

the simplest answer is that he was locked out by the apes and sent the message to the team to come help him

Winston's description of HLC from the map trailer even zooms out of the airlock when he says "my friends, the scientists, they were all gone"

https://youtu.be/91nfDfnGCB0?si=cpC0VicPpXUWnsXl

I know map trailers are generally non-canon, but this one is delivered in-character

[spare fox]

I said that the apes doing the uprising could have used his login to send it
Look I'm kind of tired of repeating myself can we just drop it rather than going in circles?

[merry mason]

Some people do, but regardless of what the characters real name is, to the audience his name is Harold, because we simply aren’t given anything else to call him. (Also the pun doesn’t even make sense if he isn’t an old man named Harold). To be clear, I don’t think Harold Winston is alive, I’m just saying it was a poor decision to name another character Harold special because it would cause this confusion.

[spare fox]

I am kind of wondering if HarOLD might be a Harold Winston Sr

[merry mason]

🤔

[spare fox]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24160202/

The larger photo I now notice Baptiste hiding in the back

[past copper]

Cool to see Efi, Orisa, and Juno all on the team

I think in some way, we will see Zenyatta on it sooner or later

[olive glen]

in junkrat’s interaction with brig was he trying to give her reactive ablative armor for her shield because that would actually have been so cool

[white cobalt]

https://x.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1857530788289352006?t=URBbEIdWry7mgsUKxEpUBw&s=19

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch) on X

Years ago, a unique cache of native Vanadium was unearthed near Petra. The cache was curiously handed over to Oasis’s Minister of Genetics, Moira O’Deorain, for undisclosed research...

Discover more mysterious secrets in Oasis or read on below 👇

🧪 https://t.co/sJiI1RKIaj

Twitter · Nov 15, 2024, 9:07 PM

[peak escarp]

I love that they're giving us proper transcriptions/translations for these

[peak escarp]

the link has the official translation

[white cobalt]

https://x.com/OWCavalry/status/1857488191252512967?t=na-Zmwj-eUsLUyeVX_DsDQ&s=19

Overwatch Cavalry (@OWCavalry) on X

New #Overwatch2 Lore Update 📗

A tablet can be found on Numbani further confirming Efi, Orisa, and Juno have all joined Overwatch!

📲 Read Efi’s email here: https://t.co/XagT3k0zca

Twitter · Nov 15, 2024, 6:17 PM

[queen eagle]

The overwatch team has 3 tanks now

Thats cool

[spare fox]

4 - Orisa, Rein, Zarya, and Winton

[queen eagle]

Oops

[spare fox]

I made a thing so everyone can discuss or just yell at me:

keep in mind that "likely" =/= "will definitely" I feel like that needs to be stated

for instance, prior to the Mercy short story, I would have put her as "NOT" likely given her history and her statements. Yet, there she is

[queen eagle]

Torb refused the recall?

Grumpy old man

[spare fox]

yeah after the Gothenburg mission he wanted to stay with his family but Bastion and Brig and Rein went on

[marble charm]

Tbh I kinda like junkrat in the very possibly

[queen eagle]

Junkrat wants to be included

[marble charm]

Because bro is definitely looking for guidance and family he's just hard stuck in being a bad guy

[spare fox]

me too but idk some people think he's more a bad guy

[queen eagle]

And hog

[spare fox]

he still likes stealing and blowing up people's stuff

[queen eagle]

Yeah he wouldn't want to join

"more like overrated"

[marble charm]

I think JR would like to join overwatch but wouldn't be allowed in and isn't opposed to not being in it

Hog would just go wherever junkrat goes

[spare fox]

maybe! Idk I think it'd be interesting if the two split up:
like, Hog just wants to be left alone and JQ and basically everyone in Junkertown want Junkrat dead

I could potentially see them being given the option and Roadhog being like "nah get out of here"

or if you want to be cynical, Junkrat can't really pay Hog anymore because he doesn't have the treasure anymore so

idk, "case can be made either way" is appropriate for Junkrat imo and "NOT likely" for Roadhog

like I said, prior to Mercy's recall short story I would have also said "NOT likely" for her so it could change

[queen eagle]

Whos the leader of ow?

Im guessing winton

[spare fox]

like Winston-Sojourn I guess

Cass is HR I guess? lol

[queen eagle]

Winston in a white T is fire ngl

[toxic kindle]

Illiari is more likely to join Talon considering a few interactions between her and Doomfist where he slowly pushes her to follow her path of murders (which Talon could absolutely help her with).

[marble charm]

I'd definitely say Winston is the commander in chief

With Sojourn acting as a second in command and Cassidy being their sorta captain

Cass has also been who they're recruiting through

[keen summit]

very very interesting

[grand wedge]

I would put Ana on the « very likely to join » since she parted ways with Soldier and intend to warn ex OW agent that are targeted. She won’t be able to do this alone , so she will likely go back to Winston & co for that

[keen summit]

i think sym is the same place as ashe, not cuz she dislikes it all but just cuz she is fine where she stands while having some doubts

[spare fox]

I do like the idea of Ana finally joining OW I mean she just fits right in

[keen summit]

I will say i think the new hero is stealing the fluid for getting even stronger

[pallid moon]

If there is a torb voice line, my beard is older than you. Shouldn't it sigma get a voice line? My toes is older than you

[spring thorn]

are genji and mercy still dating?

[peak escarp]

it's unconfirmed if they ever were

[spring thorn]

oh

[lofty viper]

wonder if they'd make efi into a playable supp/dps eventually

[dapper jewel]

hot girls only vc 3

[spring thorn]

who do you guys think would cross over to the good side from talon. I straight up see Sombra and Sigma switching sides

[grand sleet]

What would she do? Like have a bunch of gadgets?

[lofty viper]

idk

[marble charm]

Drone controller fr

[grand wedge]

I can totally see Sombra extract Sigma from Talon if things get dire for him there… she seems to care enough about him to do something like that

[rare trail]

shes too young

[dense trail]

So what do we think about the emails exchanged with Moira and Anya?

With the new blog post I mean

[lofty viper]

they can do the kiriko treatment rq

[dense trail]

How old is Efi anyway?

Isn't she like 15?

[rare trail]

isr

but you have to be 18

[dense trail]

I assumed so

[grand sleet]

Orisa’s only 1 🤷‍♀️

[potent briar]

I always had the concept of her controlling an ironman/ironheart like suit but remotely

Like away from the battlefield

[grand sleet]

That’d be really cool actually

[dapper jewel]

hot girls only vc 6 qp

[worthy rose]

She’s a robot, efi is a human child

[spare fox]

Ngl I have wondered if down the line in the franchise maybe in a few years, there will be another timeskip, and a new game or game mode along with it

Bc they won't remove heroes from the core game, obviously

But a bigger timeskip than 2 years, Rein and other old heroes will be retired (or dead), younger heroes matured, different updated kits, possibly inspired from each other

[peak escarp]

she's 13

[dense trail]

Oh damn. She's a prodigy

[spare fox]

Yeah she's s genius. She won the Adawe Grant at age 12. She's taking high classes in the Hero of Numbani novel

[rare trail]

humans have to be 18 :3

[grand sleet]

I’m joking bros

[peak escarp]

11 ½

[hushed jetty]

so phreak is absolutely a human who was experimented on with vanadium. right

or at least the vanadium is surely related to him

[azure flint]

has vanadium always been a thing

[peak escarp]

this is the first time it has been mentioned

[azure flint]

thought so

[queen eagle]

OMNICS ARE DIFFERENT

IDIOT

[grand sleet]

Bro

[queen eagle]

Zens like, 20 and acts like an 80 year old with wisdom

[grand sleet]

Why do three different ppl respond

I was joking

[queen eagle]

Sorry mate

[eternal moth]

Hmm

[merry mason]

Hey I don’t know if you know this but I just want you to know that it doesn’t count because she’s an omnic

[polar garnet]

that’s a cool list

however one small correction:
soj refused the recall too

[spare fox]

yeah she refused but she's there currently so

just like Mercy refused initially, but she wound up joining

[polar garnet]

wait huh?

source?

[spare fox]

she joined up with them during the Toronto mission and per the post-Toronto mission in-game texts she is at Watchpoint Gibraltar. She's also in Efi's photo

[paper cloud]

I'm the main villain of overwatch

[worthy rose]

@pearl summit u sound like anne frank and stop being rude around me if u literally forcing ur voice

[peak escarp]

take your drama somewhere else

this channel is for lore discussion only

[dusk granite]

who is this guy
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307460533913387149/1307817531460948118/image.png?ex=673baf7d&is=673a5dfd&hm=8ffe06631d7d91a355e6f3677993a6769a679042b008842ead6e722982942f34&

[peak escarp]

Emre Sarioglu

the first person to be recruited into Overwatch post-crisis

[azure flint]

if they wont add him to the game i wish they would at least reveal his schtick

[frigid scroll]

where do the phreaks tie into this?

[queen heath]

They need to start getting the newer characters more into the lore

Like there’s not much connectioninh Juno and venture to the greater lore (unless I’m missing something)

[merry token]

Juno is a part of ow now I believe (?)

[chilly python]

I need new friends. Who down?👀

[spare fox]

Venture is part of the Wayfinders who have been excavating ruins in Illios, Ayuthattya, Cairo, Petra... they found the Venadium (sp?) which looks like it's going to be important. And it looks like Talon is looking for some kind of specific artifact

[past copper]

I’m betting on a connection between Venture’s team and the Phreaks given that substance that was somehow found in Petra, which should not have even been possible by their scientific standards

[spare fox]

yeah, there's something ancient going on, especially with Petra and the Shambali monastary

[past copper]

Wonder wonder if that mysterious energy source Null Sector is using might be connected to the Vanadium found in Petra

Or if it could possibly be connected to Anubis as well as the mystery group pulling all the strings. More and more questions arise with each lore expansion

[spare fox]

I think that's a pretty solid bet

I think the two points you mentioned aren't directly related but tangentially related

but that's just my opinion

[past copper]

Think about it. How could Ramattra possibly power his army with an energy that neither the likes of Talon or Overwatch know anything about?

[spare fox]

mhm that's why Doom/Sombra wanted to get their hands on the ship's uhh.. thingy idk

in the Mauga short

[past copper]

Seeing as how there is so little science knows about Vanadium as is, it’s not impossible to think that perhaps that is what Ramattra’s using to power Null Sector and…

Have a vast abundance of it directly beneath Antarctica

Hence the anomalies around the frozen continent. Mining locations of Null Sector

[spare fox]

again, good solid theories

I can't wait to actually uhh find out

so many strings like.. I want to remake Sombra's web with everything we have now it would probably look like that Charlie from Always Sunny meme

times ten

[past copper]

I mean, think about it. Vanadium doesn’t, or rather, shouldn’t occur naturally. Yet somehow the Wayfinders discovered just that in a place as ancient as Petra

Given how mysterious and unknown Antarctica is, it can’t be ruled out that there could be more Vanadium deep under the ice and that Anubis had discovered it by accident when the hidden Omnium was built, but never harnessed it

Why it didn’t use such an element remains unclear, but that didn’t stop Ramattra from harnessing it instead to empower his new Null Sector forces

That’s just my theory, but it would certainly explain the number of anomalies detected around Antarctica and potentially many other factors too. Like whatever data Mei discovered and saved

[meager stream]

chat is there a lore reason why I got banned from OW?

[peak escarp]

no

[meager stream]

lmao jk but like on a on topic note tho why the hell can genji deflect molten lava

[peak escarp]

he can't

the game isn't canon

[meager stream]

ah... ok thx

[marble charm]

Okay but why can he deflect gravity

[ionic summit]

Why can he deflect a black hole but not a rock

[keen summit]

he cant

[astral jetty]

Quick unrelated question i just need to know is your name a reference to the song by justice

[ionic summit]

Jesus christ this lore in in shambles. You know you fucked up when fucking Valorant explains the lore better than you

[keen summit]

not really

its just that game =/= canon

valorant also has things like that

why do they have limited amounts? why cant clove always revive? why does harbor wall not stop bullets?

incosistencies are needed cuz otherwise you'd need to make arbitrary rules because of lore, or the opposite

[ionic summit]

Which is strange. Shouldn't be that way. Valorant explains alot by having the powers be from radianite and enemies with the same character be from an alternate universe

[keen summit]

it isnt strange though

afterall, ow was one of the earlier ones

[ionic summit]

Could be tiring. Idk. Clove is some god or something. Harbor has water powers. His wall is a thin layer of water

[keen summit]

no its not

look at his reveal trailer

he stopped bullets with his wall

also the game doesnt make sense cuz they die and come back time and time again, the game isnt really canon because of that

[ionic summit]

You can also see it has more than just water on it. A sort of enhancement. My guess is the wall harbor can make in game isn't meant to block bullets

[ionic summit]

Makes more sense than ow at least

[keen summit]

thing is, the game doesnt need to make sense

how else would you explain orisa and doomfist working together?

if it had to make sense suddenly you wouldnt be able to play all heroes together thats dumb

[ionic summit]

I can't. Best way being they got a mission there they have to work together

[keen summit]

yeah, thats why it doesnt matter

cuz that doesnt happen

[ionic summit]

I'm not saying change the whole formula to make it make sense. I am saying explain shit better

[keen summit]

in valorant ll heroes work together so its easy to explain

in apex its explained half assed but realistically cant work either

cuz in game there are many copies

[ionic summit]

Apex makes sense. They're in a competition. Have to work together

[keen summit]

like what? what need sto change

[keen summit]

i meant the game

[ionic summit]

Except that part. That part doesn't make sense

[keen summit]

the game has 100 people, and has less than 50 characters

every game has things that dont make sense

cuz lore =/= the game

cuz if it was, it wouldnt be as enjoyable

[ionic summit]

Explaining how there are 2 of the same, explaining how they respawn, explaining why they're on this mission. Such things

[keen summit]

imagine if in valorant they had infinite abilites except for certain people

[keen summit]

they arent on a mission

[ionic summit]

Again, i'm not saying change anything to fit the story. I'm saying explain it better

[ionic summit]

The main gameplay is a mission. Multiple heroes say so

[keen summit]

You cant explain something that isnt happening

Theyd never do this in lore

[ionic summit]

Can explain very well why they respawn. Apex did that pretty well

[keen summit]

Except that again, they dont in lore

Res for example isnt even canon

In ow respawning doesnt happen

Valorant also doesnt explain respawning yet it happene

[ionic summit]

Never said it did. But it does explain certain things like why the enemies are the same characters and how the agents got their powers

[keen summit]

ow explains the powers part too though