lore-discussion

[rare trail]

right

the like genshin impact people

[keen summit]

(gyre can crit depending on the amount of shock status on enemies, on her abilities

[keen summit]

yeah

i like the kit designs in it, they do pretty cool stuff

some of the ideas for hero concepts i also take from non shooters cuz sometimes they do have cool concepts

but this should probs go to ow serious cuz its hero concept stuff

[rare trail]

ive always thought the way hollow knights soul and spell system works could be cool for a game

like

for a shooter

like generating energy that you can use abilities with would be a really cool mechanic for a char to have

[keen summit]

alright i gave your idea a little look, its fun but alot of this feels like jq but burn and better. this also does not seem fun to fight against as for most dots are not fun

[past copper]

I’m sorry, but why is this conversation in lore discussion?

[unreal pasture]

Honestly you may be right

[keen summit]

i mentioned that just now yea

[unreal pasture]

New character idea: guy who runs fast with a shotgun and can double jump

And he's from Boston

[past copper]

Again, not lore discussion

[keen summit]

if you want you can take this to ow serious, i love talking bout hero design but this aint the place

[unreal pasture]

Which character has killed the most people

Def reaper mauga or doom

[keen summit]

by technicality probs ram atm

or in lore anubis

[unreal pasture]

Ram is sending his minions

I'm talking killing people with their own hands

[keen summit]

probs reaper mauga yeah, doom has done a few but we dont really know

we know mauga and some other talon agents massacred a town and mauga is often sent for those missions

so id say probs mauga though reaper is very close. then widow i only dont consider as her usual job is just taking a few or one person down, not multiple or just mowing through like mauga and reaper do

also depends on what you call people

cuz if you count omnics aswell then most of the cast has huge kill count, if you also count controlled stuff then ram is infront again

[gusty cloak]

what is this floating circle in the sky in survasa? ive never noticed this

[opaque tundra]

Apparently according to Declassified it’s used to launch spacecraft

[gusty cloak]

whats declassified

also what kind of spacecraft?

[opaque tundra]

A giant worldbuilding book that’s stylized like an in-universe textbook. It has a lot of lore tidbits

I don’t have my book with me right now but I think it was spaceships?

[fallow mantle]

I didn't read that section - I skimmed the page - and yeah I remember it being related to their space program

[keen summit]

i love declassified cuz its legit done as an in-universe history book

all of the stuff in there are commonly known, and has some intentional wrong info like soldier 76 being dead n stuff

[opaque tundra]

I know it’s really cute! I really hope they make more things like it

[blazing shore]

omg i just got declassified recently as an early birthday present :3 i absolutely love it. the artwork is GORGEOUS

[keen summit]

true, and i love stuff like that cuz it sets in stone what is known and what isnt

[blazing shore]

100%

[keen summit]

it shows what exactly the world believes that happened, way better than an actual matter of fact book imho as it makes it double as world building

[blazing shore]

it’s actually so crazy how much detail went into it

[keen summit]

the world building it adds is just great

[blazing shore]

100%

[keen summit]

showing how talon is basically seen as this shady but not "evil" org, but more as jsut something that has some... problems? but has had bad things happen and speculated to be linked to it

showing why talon wasnt attacked harder, cuz well. it wasnt globally seen as an "evil org" it was more seen as questionable with a bad past (like lots of irl orgs are)

[blazing shore]

are there other books that exist that expand upon the lore or is declassified it? ik there were a few art books but idk

[keen summit]

the art books do, but its kinda outdated. if you like novels the new one is already out but it also is online now

from what ive read its really good, even made me interested in kiriko which for the lore people who know me is quite impressive

[blazing shore]

oooh, there’s a novel series ?? i had no idea

[keen summit]

there have been a few, i own orisas book for example

cuz i actually love her lore

[blazing shore]

that’s so cool

i’ll deff have to look into it bc like ik only bits and pieces of the lore from like what i’ve read on the wiki n what not. i deff wanna get more well versed in it

[keen summit]

the newest talks about a lot of different ones like ball, soldier, lw, sym

[keen summit]

one sec ill give you a nice place to look

[blazing shore]

thank u 🙏

[keen summit]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-gb/media/

here, if you enjoy reading there are short stories (mini novels) comics and more

ascendant is the one with multiple heroes

[blazing shore]

omg ur a god send

thank u so much

[keen summit]

train hoppers title is so sick that its on the train, sadly its not done in more

[keen summit]

always happy to help mroe people getting into it, if you have any questions ask away

[crude mesa]

idk if i should ask her but has zarya and junkerqueen ever met face to face? and if so is there any lore of it?

[dense birch]

I think junkrat n roadhog would make such a cute couple

[smoky beacon]

i like this theory

[peak escarp]

no they've never met

[crude mesa]

awh man

what if they did end up meeting what do you think would happen?

[queen heath]

Yo does Juno and venture fit into the lore? Like I’ve noticed they haven’t been as lore heavy as like rammattra

[hushed jetty]

wdym do they fit into the lore

every character fits into the lore

they're just not part of the main overwatch vs null sector plot

[opaque tundra]

If you're talking about the main plot, Juno is somewhat implied to be in the future, Venture is also implied to be part of the Conspiracy plot line later

[past copper]

Ya know something about the polar skins?

I’m curious to know if this one is related Polar Hog

Don’t remember if this is a Winter skin or if this was something hinting that Junkrat n Roadhog go to Antarctica

[peak escarp]

design-wise it doesn't seem related

the Ana one might not even be related, since it's mostly orange instead of mostly white

[past copper]

Could be an indication of same mission, different goals in Antarctica 🤷‍♂️

The junkers would be looking for a fun time just to scarp the head bot

Ana she’s following her own leads as much as Jack. One way or another, they could lead her to Null Sector’s HQ

[kind agate]

did ana and rein brake up?

do they not love each other anymore?

they never seem to share lines together like they did before

[opaque tundra]

No ships are actually confirmed as far as I know

[peak escarp]

they flirt, that's about it

[kind agate]

they dont anymore

[peak escarp]

I mean that they were never together - they just flirted

[cloud lintel]

If they're not going to do Invasion anymore, then can they at least write a book series?

[peak escarp]

maybe they will

we don't know anything about the future of the lore right now

[cloud lintel]

One year has passed since the release of Invasion and we've got nothing

[peak escarp]

one year isn't much

and with the Microsoft buyout and mass layoffs, I don't think even they know what the plan is

[unreal pasture]

The lore will never progress

Because blizzard is fucking stupid

And greedy

[rare trail]

it like

the

it progrressed in the

pve

ramattra is doin stuff

and

juno like has cool lore with herrr

but being born on mars is like kinda silly like

her bones should be like weird i think

like the gravity is so much more on earth

[peak escarp]

wouldn't that make her stronger in Earth's gravity?

also, it's likely that the Mars base has artificial gravity that's set to Earth's gravity, like they have on HLC

[rare trail]

no ?

that would

do the opposite

shes used to little baby mars gravity which is wayyyy less

[peak escarp]

oh I thought it was the other way around

[rare trail]

ohhh that would make sense though

[peak escarp]

Dr. Chao had reduced bone density from going out into the lunar gravity frequently, but she's also much older than Juno

and wasn't born in artificial gravity

[rare trail]

hmmm yeah

isntl ike even 6 months really bad for you like on the iss

moon gravity is like alot worse than mars i thought

yeah moon is like less than half of mars gravity

[peak escarp]

Mars is 38% of Earth gravity, Moon is 16.6%

[keen summit]

it wasnt winter either it was iirc like early spring when it dropped

[keen summit]

the polar skins are so lazy, most of the "legendaries" have such small changes

[past copper]

How are they lazy? They’re literally designed to be outfits worn for when Overwatch locates Ram and travel to Antarctica

[keen summit]

alot of the legendaries are very VERY small changes in the look of the character and weapon, it fits more epic skins for most

i like the lore behind it though

[fast willow]

I need healing!

[keen summit]

i saw a fun question earlier somewhere else. which of the ow chars would you most want as a friend irl

for me it would be like Orisa Venture Lucio

orisa so you have a loyal protector anywhere when you are together, venture cuz fun nerding out about history n stuff + 0 baggage and lucio cuz just fun all around

[frail grove]

I mean I want donuts so Kiriko… And Lucio as well cause he chill

[ionic summit]

Definitely Genji. He'd be awesome to hang out with. And you bet yo ass i'd ask him if i could try his dragonblade

[flint rivet]

Mercy would be really fun friend but super flaky for meet-ups. You'd have to go to her cause she's get distracted by a new project or saving someone.

[flint rivet]

I get confused at why legendary are legendary. They usually come with unique voice lines, skin abilities right? To be classified as legendary..or did they move that more to the mythic side of things? The kiri oni akin changes how her weapons look which is awesome! Do you think that's the lore behind the polar stuff?
:0?

Then I wonder if the heist stuff is them all going to look for Max

[rare trail]

brig brig vrig brig

[rare trail]

i woild be ber surprised if heist is canon

[flint rivet]

I like to imagine it is.
It's yhe only way I can justify the battle pass stuff existing.
It's all connected as sojourn says.
Like different points in the timeline we get to see.

[rare trail]

umm

idk

it like doesnt really have any connection to anything idk

people get too obsessed with bp skins not being on theme and like they like to imagine its getting worse but theres like

a doc somehwere where its stayed like

pretty consistent

[polar garnet]

as a friend?

sombra

she’s chill asf

and arguably the most powerful character in lore

[versed sage]

Juno is the strongest by far

In lore

Debate me

[tidal hawk]

Why juno? Idk anything about her lore soo all my knowledge of her is she can shoot and go fast 😓

[versed sage]

Yea she scales multiversal

[brisk robin]

DVA because we'd spend our time rotting at home gaming

[brisk robin]

Ramattra:

[versed sage]

Juno solos

[brisk robin]

how so

[versed sage]

She from space so she strong

That means she multiversal

Duh

[brisk robin]

hmm, how about DVA?

[versed sage]

DVA aint from space

Plus juno can manipulate time by making people go faster

[brisk robin]

How about Tracer

She can come back to time right?

[versed sage]

Nah they do that for visual effects

She just runs to where she was before

[brisk robin]

yeah that

[versed sage]

So u agree Juno can solo

The whole verse

[brisk robin]

no i was talkimg abt tracer

hmm let me think

reaper?

@versed sage

[rare trail]

ummm no

sombra cant like

hack people like she can in game

[floral furnace]

I guess those is kinda lore based, its more character focused but what are some things you think they should do to make kiriko less boring personality wise

And kinda for other characters ive heard be called boring like Zarya?

[polar garnet]

im not saying that

i mean like

if she wants to start a war

that can happen

topple a government?

that can happen

expose a politician as corrupt?

that can happen

infinite money?

that can happen

the list goes on

[rare trail]

umm

idk

not really i dont think

she has informationb ut like

its not like everyone would just believe her and like

knowing information doesn equate to like

[polar garnet]

what?

[rare trail]

well

if she wanted to topple a government what can she do like

its not like everyone would believe everything she says

[polar garnet]

blackmail the officials
withdraw funds
wipe vital servers

and more

[rare trail]

idk

also like

mayube this wasnt intended but

when people say

most powerful character

they like

usually mean in a fightr

and sombra like

isnt strong than like winston or orisa in a fight

[polar garnet]

ik ik
in that sense i’ll say sigma ngl

[rare trail]

ummm

idk

sigma like hasnt done anythingggg

he just lhas like

vague "gravity control" but like he hasnt done anythinggg

[polar garnet]

i think being able to literally fly and throw boulders at people with ease is a little more than vague

plus he was under VERY heavy containment after the accident

[peak escarp]

"most powerful" vague and done to death
"most influential" interesting and thought provoking

[merry mason]

Most influential Probably doomfist

[peak escarp]

Overwatch as a whole was pretty influential, so Jack Morrison would be up there

[fallow mantle]

You know, they tried to make a movie about the founding of Overwatch. Total flop! The guy who played Jack Morrison? What an amateur.

[golden oak]

I think Ana has a different one because she’s not part of overwatch anymore

[rare trail]

what

when has

he done that

[merry mason]

In game

[rare trail]

thats

not canon

[merry mason]

Well he’s doing it at the end of his origin story if you need something else

[rare trail]

origin story is like

very stylizied and like

and

no he isnt wtf

his rock isnt even in the video at all

and it doesnt show him flyikng

[hushed jetty]

we have "seen" sigma levitate a couple of pens, and himself

thats about it

this happened in the uhhhhhh reaper story btw

[merry mason]

There’s a bunch of rock floating around him

[rare trail]

yeye code of violence

but he doesnt fly around or throw rocks at people in his origin

[vapid basalt]

@winged gyro

Tracer is lesbian did u know that

[winged gyro]

yea i am too

[vapid basalt]

@winged gyro Make sure to catch up on the overwatch comic series.

[winged gyro]

word

[vapid basalt]

Mandatory group discussion in 1 week

[vapid basalt]

Catch up on all the animated shorts via @Overwatch on youtube

[peak escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/@playoverwatch

[winged gyro]

my quickplay lobbies r starting to fill with real ppl

get on

20 more wins

[crude monolith]

Doomfist foot size

[knotty bluff]

might be close to men’s 16 to 18 in US

[brisk robin]

If yall were a hero in game, what would be your role and have interactions with?

[frozen fractal]

I would be a grave digger and i would clean up after the matches.

[brisk robin]

as roles i meant, dps, tank n supp

i assume ur dps

[frozen fractal]

Propably a skinny looking rammatra Like Tank with a big leather duster

Big ol Carrier hauling them Bodys Back to HQ ✌️

I Always wondered what Happens to overwatch Heroes when the Fall.

I Like to think of it Like Theres literally a Person collecting all the remains and bringing them to Mercy for a pokemon Pit stop

[past copper]

None of this is lore discussion. Please take it to Overwatch-Serious or something

[polar garnet]

ok so what makes you think none of this is canon

[rare trail]

i didnt say his origin wasnt canon

i said that its highly stylized and has to be taken with a grain of salt

also he just

doesnt fly around in it or throw rocks at people

[keen summit]

alot of rocks is very different from the feats some people claim

origin stories are from the pov of the heroes

that is why ram is framed heroic at the end for example, and soldiers is black and white at the end, showing to him the world lost its colour

[weary root]

The campaign was so cool

[polar garnet]

yep
and SO SHORT

[weary root]

I would happily pay 7€ for 3 more mission

[keen summit]

its not cancelled so maybe in a few years

its baffling how little they got done in all those years

[rigid python]

why is sigma tweaking?

[crude mesa]

does sigma have dementia

[spare fox]

no, he doesn't

[crude mesa]

awh

[polar garnet]

he has dementia pro max™️

he bought the premium subscription

price: nearly get yourself killed by a miniature black hole collapsing right infront of you

realistically it’ll just create an explosion of several megatons but yk

this game is meant to be cool not realistic

[normal sigil]

discussion in eu3 vc

[viscid ledge]

Bruh. Quit with the gachas while you’re ahead or just farm

[unreal pasture]

dps and my role would be stabbing orisa to death with a pen

[keen summit]

tbf like we havent been able to test if that works like that

so cant even call it unrealistic

[shy dagger]

What is the substance inside Ana’s nano boost that makes the characters go super sayain?

[golden oak]

Pervitin

[shy dagger]

What’s that, and who made it, and how did Ana get ahold of it

[golden oak]

It’s not I was just making a joke lol

Nano boost was made using mercy’s tech

[shy dagger]

Dam everyone stealin my girl’s tech like that😭

[sullen girder]

Yall probably talked about this before but, who would be the blackwatch squad in the reverse universe?

Last I remember, the squad had Gabriel (reaper), Cassidy, genji and Moira

[merry token]

Soldier 76, Ashe, Hanzo and Mercy if we were going for (almost) 1:1 opposites (or at least characters associated with the og characters), but the opposite universe overwatch isn’t as 1:1 iirc

[spare fox]

That is a tough question bc Blackwatch, despite the name, is a def gray area and it's difficult to determine an opposite for a gray area 🤔

All of our baddie-leaning gray area heroes are in factions outside of Overwatch/Talon, except I guess Sombra

[normal linden]

yeah

[hushed jetty]

for some reason echo is in blackwatch in mirror au

they said this in one of the posts about the gamemode we got with it

i couldnt tell you why, but she's there

[tranquil orbit]

Wasnt it her recon skin

Iirc

[hushed jetty]

yes

[fallow mantle]

Yeah in the Mirrorwatch patch notes she was called 'Blackwatch Echo'

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/2ItWeDNyoms

some interesting Widowmaker interactions

the one with Illari shows that Widowmaker views her emotions as a weakness that she discarded

[shy dagger]

I found it interesting how Widow despises her original name

[peak escarp]

and the one with Sojourn tells us that Amelie had been with Gerard for quite a while (more than 10 years I think)

also, the Wayfinders use weapons/tools made by the Ironclad Guild

[warm scarab]

These discussions.......

Actually these won't help when u play the game just normally 😕

[gusty cloak]

Does moira's "knot" player icon have any significance in lore?

it has a triquerta in it

[spare fox]

The Triquetra was often used in Celtic art and jewellery to represent the three elements of nature: land, sea, and sky. It was also used to represent the three stages of life: birth, life, and death.

seems symbolically on-brand for Moira but nothing specifically has been mentioned in lore

apparently it also represents "the maiden, the mother, and the crone" which is also on brand for her

[gusty cloak]

ahh ok

[fallow mantle]

Very odd - seeing as Sojourn's "induction" (I'm assuming it's to OVERWATCH?) would've been a long while ago. And Amelie is only 35. Sojourn is 51 and I - admittedly haven't read her book but did familiarise myself with its contents - recall her joining the Canadian Armed Forces at a somewhat young age, and then joining up with Overwatch to take out the Detroit Omnium? And I do not remember how long ago that was but it was early enough in the Crisis, no?

iirc the Crisis was 28(?) years ago - which would've made Amelie like 7 if we go with Sojourn signing on 28 years ago. Am confused by this lol...

probably a different induction in that case

[spare fox]

Sojourn didn't join Overwatch right away after the Crisis: she stayed on with the Canadian forces

she just worked with them and then wound up joining Overwatch years later

[peak escarp]

yeah

if we give 20 as the youngest Amelie could be with Gerard, and knowing Sojourn was a member of Overwatch before Storm Rising (8 years ago), that puts her joining Overwatch between 15-8 years ago

we know Mercy was recruited around 15 years ago, so Sojourn probably joined around the same time

[fallow mantle]

Right I see thanks for clearing that up!

[weak pebble]

plat tank lfg or duo

[flint rivet]

support 0/ probably try to get moira and mercy to come togther for real science i'm sure there's a middleground. we can save people's lives!

[flint rivet]

yes me too. i want lore!

sojurn is 51!? goodness she's spry. You know i always thougt before I realized it was a scope that Ana when she zooms in to shoot was using a cyberntic eye when she shoots. only unvailing it when it's needed.

[merry mason]

She used to have a cybernetic eye, it’s the one that was shot out

[sullen citrus]

Both

[lilac musk]

The lore of Overwatch is shot dead y'all wrap it up.

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[azure flint]

will ow lore ever come back or is it cooked

[peak escarp]

the lore will keep going

it just won't be in the game

[azure flint]

[peak escarp]

it was like that during OW1, so we'll survive

[hearty hull]

She still does doesnt she?

[frozen terrace]

The lore is done

Its finished

The end, now go enjoy ur life

[gusty cloak]

it just feels super stale rn

like what even is the next big thing in lore?

wasnt the whole lore building up to pve for ow2

but now that got cancelled, what now

[pearl field]

I need some venture lore stat

[storm fern]

lfg two supports (must be girls)

[gusty cloak]

i wish they tied her lore with anubis somehow

right now her lore is just shes an archeologist

[pearl field]

Yeah

Did you know venture is non gender

[gusty cloak]

they did show her discoverign anubis, but it couldve led to some story

[gusty cloak]

oh yea i forgot

[pearl field]

Silly cat I forgive you

So silly

[gusty cloak]

i am the silliest

[merry mason]

Nope that’s why she has the eyepatch

[gusty cloak]

wait what?

i thought her real eye got shot out?

her cyberntic eye got shot out?

why doesnt she get another cybernetic eye?

[merry mason]

As a reminder of what she lost or something like that, there was a voice line about it in ow1

[peak escarp]

    Ana: You're very kind, but I'm comfortable with who I am now. It's a good reminder.```

[gusty cloak]

what exactly is kiriko's fox spirit power? is it magic?

also, does lifeweaver has some sort of glove on his right hand or is that a replacement for an arm?

[viscid ledge]

Yeah. In Japan, they straight up use magic, can climb walls and have some sort of physics defying jump

[gusty cloak]

sounds accurate

[viscid ledge]

Seems similar to Symmetra’s hard light manipulating glove which would make sense for his to be a similar tool

[toxic owl]

wait so are the shimadas the only ones who straight up use magic with no scientific explanation

[peak escarp]

Symmetra's was confirmed to be a cybernetic arm

Lifeweaver's probably is too

[peak escarp]

only Kiriko - Genji and Hanzo's weapons are tech

[toxic owl]

oh fr

i thought the dragons were spiritual magic thingys

but even though its tech they most likely had it far before the everyone else did

bc if its hard light or wtvr the shimadas have had it far longer

[rare trail]

the dragons arent spirits?

[merry mason]

The Hanzo story suggests as much, not 100% stated outright though

[merry token]

From the story

[toxic owl]

it seems to be more advanced than the rest of the tech everyone else has bc of the whole only shimada can control the dragon stuff

[rare trail]

thats pretty lame ngl i would prefer if they were spirits

and it makes dragons like worse in retrospect because it would make more sense for hanzo to assume someone just like stole the tech rather than his brother being alive again

[merry mason]

Well maybe the thing the sword needs to work right is the dragon spirit

[rare trail]

hanzos story thing implies that they just built the tech wrong not that its impossible for them to have weapons like that

idk

it makes dragons less impactful and meaningful if its just a tech thing

[merry mason]

I know I read the story but you can imagine that the secret ingredient they need is actually the dragon spirit if it makes you happy

[rare trail]

the story itself doesnt imply that the secret ingredient are the dragons themselves

the story implies that the dragons arent special to the shimada family and its just theyre the only ones with the tech

making the dragons tech is lame and makes the hanzo genji short less impactful

[merry mason]

I mean look “as if it was trying to manifest some secret power” what power? The dragons! :cope:

[rare trail]

idk

it doesnt really make me happy to imagine that the dragons are like the secret ingredient because i guess i like feel like im coping and that its not really realistic(as in its not likely thats the actual explanation)

like

if someone stole genjis sword could they use the dragons? thats kinda what the story implies but like hanzo believed in the dragons short that wasnt the case

like if it was JUST tech wouldnt hanzo think "you stole my dead brothers sword" over "its impossible only a shimada can wield the dragons"

also only a shimada can wield the dragons doesnt even make sense like at all if its just tech

idk

i guess its a retcon

which

is

lame !

[merry mason]

The lead of the narrative will probably be replaced and retcon it back at some point

[rare trail]

🙏

[peak escarp]

"only a Shimada can control the dragons" is because those weapons were only made for the Shimada family

at least, until the Hashimoto kidnapped Kiriko's father and forced him to make weapons for them

[merry mason]

That happened before the dragons cinematic though

[peak escarp]

Hanzo didn't know that the Hashimoto were using Toshiro's tech

and the Hashimoto don't have weapons that can summon dragons - theirs just have wimpy energy flashes

if they could manifest something, it would be a tiger

[past copper]

A sword is only as good as the man who wields it

That’s the take away between the Shimada and Hashimoto when you think about it

[brisk robin]

Question, actually two

1. Whos the strongest talon member?
2. Do Talon and Ramattra/Null Sector work together?

[rare trail]

1. mauga/doom
2. yeah iirc

[hollow wagon]

So does rematra have other abilities besides the gravity thing

And what's moiras fade form, is it a slight adjustment to reapers or is it technology based and is hers or reapers better in a non gameplay standpoint

[polar garnet]

1: there’s no solid answer to that, but impo, sigma
2: it’s weird because we saw doom talking to ramattara in storm rising but also in that one cinematic they were attacking a null sector carrier

so long story short:

idk and i doubt anyone else does

[brisk robin]

which cinematic?

[fallow mantle]

The first part - end of Storm Rising. The second part - Mauga's cinematic - A GREAT DAY.

I think the whole point of A GREAT DAY was to show that Doomfist is using Ramattra/Null Sector, and that he wanted the power source Ramattra's using for his own purposes. Hence the whole goal of secrecy.

[brisk robin]

hey i wad reading that @polar garnet

[polar garnet]

i deleted it bcs it was just a repeat of what the guy said above lol

[hollow wagon]

I think thread would be cool, are we allowed to make them as well without having to ask

Cuz keeping stuff like all supernatural abilities in one place would be cool

[rare trail]

hmmm yeah

talon power levels are weird

like

mauga and doom have fought to a tie

sigma is like unclear he hasnt really done anything

[rare trail]

iirc this was ages ago though so stuff couldve changed

[brisk robin]

but so damn strong

technically if they do well with teamwork etc, talon would win

[hollow wagon]

Does ramatra have other abilities with his orb thingy, and is his extra limbs from the orb as well

[polar garnet]

ngl sombra alone could bring down overwatch if she wanted
just from a computer

[hollow wagon]

And thinking about it sigma is a lot more overpowered in irl than in game, like imagine his ultimate being used on a real person, not even a body builder would survive

How does reaper stay conscious when smoke since he doesn't really have a brain,
And outside of gameplay can moira use her fade for extended periods of time, and is it tech based or her actual body doing it like reaper

[brisk robin]

and reaper canonically cant die right? even if the whole team dies, he'd be the ladt survivor

[peak escarp]

he can die

his smoke form isn't automatic, so if someone was able to get him before he could activate it...

[brisk robin]

like winston djd once

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh the way it's shown in that cinematic kinda indicates that the timing doesnt matter so i understand where the misconception comes fron

His body does it almost involuntarily but at the same time as winston's tesla cannon beginning to vaporise him so it's hard to tell

[hollow wagon]

What is the thing moiras done to her arm exactly, I recon its probably just to do with her life draining but i do wonder if its actually her doing something other than that

I also wonder if she has any other gadgets we haven't seen,
A book about her research and her tech would be so cool

[polar garnet]

we don’t know much
iirc all that’s mentioned is lw saying how she’s “withering away”
my take is that the prolonged use of her sucky suck is slowly sucky sucking her own arm

[hollow wagon]

I do also wonder if she's unlocked some new abilities with her enhancements, like maybe better eyesight, her right arm being stronger, and maybe age based stuff

[polar garnet]

actually that’s wrong

[hollow wagon]

Tho yeah the withering away indicates she's got a shorter lifespan

I'd love a story all about moira ngl

[polar garnet]

we know her sucky suck works by basically killing cells one by one

additionally destroying dna

so i assume that’s what’s happening to her

[hollow wagon]

How does the fade work

Like is it as temporary as in game

Or is it like reaper and she has full control

[polar garnet]

i think she has control but it’s not mentioned in lore

all we know is that it works same as reaper:

[hollow wagon]

Oh ok

[polar garnet]

her molecular structure separates, and she can move freely during that state
and then can reassemble her molecules at a different place

[hollow wagon]

Ah I see that's cool

How does reapers work

[polar garnet]

same thing

[hollow wagon]

I do wonder how both can still control themselves

Like without their brain intact

[polar garnet]

yeah she’s one of my fave characters when it comes to lore

[polar garnet]

this game was never meant to be realistic

so that comes down to “they just can”

[hollow wagon]

Ah I see

[hushed jetty]

https://youtu.be/2ItWeDNyoms?si=a8WnNVfr-NRGSHlZ&t=56

as a gerard enthusiast this specific interaction interests me

what is she referring to by "induction" here

[peak escarp]

induction into Overwatch

Sojourn joined quite a few years after the crisis ended

[hushed jetty]

was this not 28 years ago when the crisis started

oh

wait what

[peak escarp]

she spent time with the Canadian Special Forces first

[hushed jetty]

OH I SEE

i was reading a paragraph from declassified wrong

so this was maybe ~15 years prior topresent day

[edgy drum]

did juno land in that space ship thingy on dorado

[twilit patrol]

I think her ship actually landed in Gibraltar

The ship on Dorado is just a teaser I think

Idk if I’m correct

[gusty cloak]

how does zarya's weapon work? is it just "energy stuff"?

[placid pollen]

besides being cosmetics are mythic skins like different universes or what ? (sorry if this isnt a lore question)

[merry mason]

It depends on how much the devs want to do each season. Starwatch and Mirrorwatch are separate universes but other seasons don’t have a respective universe, just a general theme

[rare trail]

winston orisa

mauga doom

reaper

past that it gets more like shaky

like lw sym sigma are somewhere but their power level isnt clear

[patent trench]

is there any explainations to these themes? like reaper being Anubis or junkerqueen being Zeus

[peak escarp]

nothing in-universe

out of universe, it was because the devs thought it was cool

[harsh pivot]

Theoretically what would soldier mirrorwatch be?

Would it just be Talons side

[lucid tartan]

Here to discuss Cinematic Genji solos overwatch verse

[rare trail]

um

not really

[azure flint]

soldier but red

[rare trail]

genji has been beaten in doomfist origin and stuff

[lucid tartan]

Nerfed from dragons in that one

[polar garnet]

not canonically explained but the nerdier ow fans (including me) reckon it’s plasma
it’s called a particle cannon and it’s called that because it shoots a plasma beam of charged particles

as for her ult though?
i have no idea how that could work at all

[peak escarp]

her ult is a cluster of graviton particles

gravitons are hypothetical gravity particles

[polar garnet]

oh so it’s not a black hole?

it’s just like

a halt Pro Max™️

huh

neat

[rare trail]

isnt plasma like

very hot

and like

how would that even kind of work like

i dont see the vision

[peak escarp]

it's scifi

it doesn't need to be realistic

[polar garnet]

^

[polar garnet]

wdym

[rare trail]

there still should be a line of logic

[azure flint]

lol

[rare trail]

its SCIfi there should be some logic

[peak escarp]

the logic is that it's an energy weapon she ripped off a tank in the midst of battle

[rare trail]

yeah

energy weapon makes more sense than plasma

[peak escarp]

what's the difference

[rare trail]

plasma is a much more specific thing

energy weapon is very vague

[polar garnet]

well that’s the separation between hard and soft scifi

and overwatch is soft scifi

[rare trail]

soft scifi should still have some logic

[peak escarp]

it does have internal logic

just not everything is realistic

[flint rivet]

it's the same reason Juno can exist on earth after being on mars/space her whole life i reckon. (because the story needs them to be able to so the character can exist)

I got to watch the liveweaver origin video finally \0/ 😄 i assume him being wanted in so many countries is related to viskar wanting his hands or however he gets his biolight power?

[keen summit]

genji in dragons was later tbf

[lucid tartan]

Explain Tracer then

[lucid tartan]

Ah so after doomfist he knew he had to get stronger I see

[grand wedge]

Yes. Because he created his biolight based on Vishkar tech, Vishkar say that it belongs to them.

[ionic summit]

after getting shit on like that, yes

allthough doomfist isn't like most foes. the dude is strong and smart. not a great combo

[lucid tartan]

anyway dragons Genji solos now

[ionic summit]

idk. he might not lose as easily as he did but i think doom will still win. doom won because he outsmarted genji

[keen summit]

theres just lots of problems comapringn him

cuz like 1 hit and hes down

v any strong ones

but also 1 slash from him and theyre down

[ionic summit]

doomfist won last time by forcing him to have to use his blade on a car. doomfist will find a way to do that again. i love my boi genji but he ain't beating doomfist

[keen summit]

i know

but for example v orisa its weird

[ionic summit]

true. we haven't really seen them fight. they both speak with such confidence but idk who's actually right

doomfist destroyed all the old units but who knows how orisa is compared to them

[keen summit]

we do know

orisa wins v doom

she has, 3 times

[ionic summit]

where? when?

[keen summit]

orisa v genji is weird

[keen summit]

hero of numbani was twice and iirc there was one other time

and doom was with backup

[ionic summit]

is it said when in the lore this happened?

ow1 or 2

[keen summit]

once in protoype phase so 2 years ago, then later a few months, ow1

and since then orisa has gotten basically an army of doom punch blocking shield bots, upgrades, ehr spear etc

doom stands 0 chance in a 1v1 with orisa

[ionic summit]

yet he speaks with such confidence against her. i feel like he has a trick of his own up his sleeve now

[keen summit]

sombra

but in 1v1, no shot

[ionic summit]

yes, was thinking the same

[ionic summit]

doomfist is someone who typically learns very quickly. either he'll learn not to fight her or a way to get around the things that counters him

[keen summit]

thing is, he only got around it last time by using hostages

and by using his minions

[ionic summit]

that is one way he can win. get orisa's guard down. make her vulnerable

[keen summit]

that is indeed how he got away, but in a pure 1v1 legit doom stands no chance

she now has hundreds of robots she can order, that have the same shield that could stop dooms punches

[ionic summit]

would be terrible to do. but i feel like if he did something to Efi. orisa would either lose her shit and doom could take advantage or she would be vulnerable and not defend herself

[ionic summit]

hmm. no way Efi built all these, right?

[keen summit]

yes, WHENEVER doom can use hostages he can atleast get away, but it doesnt leave her vulnerable

[keen summit]

she did

efi is a maniac

[ionic summit]

i can see that. what the hell

[keen summit]

alot of households in numbani have them

[ionic summit]

they probably don't mean too much to her. Efi does

[keen summit]

basically they can work as personal protection bots, and orisa was named the commander of them eventually so its save to assume orisa CAN do as such

[ionic summit]

tf is this lore. only touched upon in comics or something?

[keen summit]

in her newest mini novel

its now said that orisa can leap, run faster than normal humans + javelin + those lil things

she can shred through dozens of those omnics like its nothing too and be unscathed

shes honestly from what we know maybe even stronger than winston

[ionic summit]

now i wonder what a lore accurate meteor strike would be like. he kinda did it in his origin story but not really

[keen summit]

but even that, even that is unlikely to beat orisa, cuz if it did he wouldve done that the first time they fought

why? cuz he would make an example out of efi and orisa to show that building your protector isnt good enough, and that its not strong enough

he would be able to "show" that using omnics for protection is unreliable and that you should be able to fight for yourself

that fits his ideals. theres 0 chance he would go easy on that

[ionic summit]

he hasn't done it once. my guess is it takes alot of power so he normally has it as a last resort but he has always lost quickly without the power to use it

[keen summit]

thing is thats not true

the fights werent fast

cuz thats the entire way orisa wins

she widdles people down, its why orisa > doom

[ionic summit]

vs winston he lost fast. he was confident he could beat him. he underestimated him

[keen summit]

yeah, but v orisa it wasnt

cuz the entire idea is that orisa can just take his punches

but my point is, this doesnt mean genji is losing v orisa though

cuz we know pure force and kinetic energy doesnt harm her, but we've never seen cuts

so there IS a chance orisa gets beat by genji

[ionic summit]

with how fast genji is too. could orisa even hit him?

[keen summit]

that is quite possible, she could just sweep around or use her graviton min

we dont know for sure if her graviton is gone

[ionic summit]

if we haven't seen it since it got removed i'd say it's gone

[keen summit]

but if genji can just one shot her with a slice, its more that she might not react fast enough as orisa is fast but isnt built on doing first attack, cuz she was made to fight doom where she can just tank it

[ionic summit]

if genji's dragonblade can pierce orisa's fortified body yeah orisa getting shit on

[keen summit]

i am happy we finally got confirmed that the shimada stuff IS tech

so we know for sure kiriko is just a weird lil fucker

[ionic summit]

i'm not. what a lame explaination

[keen summit]

its barely explained which i find sad, i love looking at the sci fi esque stuff and explaining the concepts behind it

but from what i can surmise, its probs an alternative to hardlight

that needs some kind of, technique, to be properly used

[ionic summit]

would be cooler if it was what it actually says it is. spirit dragons

[keen summit]

ngl i disagree

i dont like copouts like that, cuz then comes the question "why the fuck do all japanese characters have spirit powers and no other char does"

[ionic summit]

they're the only one investing time in it. you see germans or indians studying the art of the spirit animals?

japanese warriors have always sought their salvation in spirits. been like that for years

[keen summit]

its more that its a really odd choice, many cultures follow that idea too.

reinhardt also doesnt gain favours from a god

while being knight based'

though knights in germania often wore stuff of cathlic origin to gain blessings in battle

[ionic summit]

he's a crusader. he does what he needs to in order to redeem himself and make up for the sacrifice of someone dear to him

[ionic summit]

yes. and i'd love to see it for them too. but i suppose Japan fit it more

[keen summit]

thing is i think its quite clear if it was the case why japan got it

[ionic summit]

confirming it's all just tech seems kinda cheap if you ask me

[keen summit]

cuz japan myth is populair

[ionic summit]

egyptian mythology is also popular. so is norse, and greek

[keen summit]

the problem with saying its all spirits would be that then you need to start looking at the greater world, why does no other country use spirirts. why isnt a well established thing that japan can somehow use spirirts, is it common, or is it that for some reason these all did it

[keen summit]

the problem is that theyre not still followed as real believes by general audiences

japanese myth is still actually followed to this day

making it well, also in alot of culture that is populair in the target audience, like anime

kiriko is already a problem cuz of the spirit cuz it raises questions about spirits in overwatch

[ionic summit]

take Wakanda as an example. Wakanda has insane technology compared to the rest of the world and kept it a secret. the Tybor family in attack on titan too held the warhammer titan as a power they would use if nescessary but typically they kept it hidden. the same would be the scenario here. only the Shimada brothers having the dragon spirits in secret and only using them if needed

[keen summit]

thing is, if it came from the believe of it liek we are meant to kinda think with kiriko, then there should atleast in japan be multiple spirits etc

ngl, i just dont think adding supernatural to a game that tries its best to make alot of the stuff make psuedo-sense, is smart

[ionic summit]

which would work. Japanese mythology and storytelling is known for its spirits

[keen summit]

but then again the question arises

there are tribes that believe in their own myths do they have spirit powers?

[flint rivet]

I thought that's where the yokai gang came from? Different spirits

[keen summit]

or is it just here. does anyone who believes in a mythical creatore get it, cuz for example ana ofcourse has eye of horus, so is that also with a spirit?

[ionic summit]

seems reasonable

[keen summit]

nope

just kiriko has one

it was shown in her manga

the others are spiritless from what we've seen

and if its later confirmed that they do all have yokai spirits, thats even worse for worldbuilding

[ionic summit]

i wouldn't say anyone gets it. clearly it would be given to certain clans/families

[ionic summit]

still doesn't explain Kiriko tho. if her spirit fox is real, why isn't the others too?

[keen summit]

well yeah, cuz they backed themselves into a corner ig

the others could be explained with tech

cuz they use projectors, had weapons and they come from there and are just dmg. kiriko had her spirit before she got weapons from her dad, it does stuff other than damage, has NO projector and just stays there + she can teleport

thats why, they cant explain kiriko at all with tech, so they just went whatever

[ionic summit]

kiriko has powers beyond comprehension, i get that, but Genji and Hanzo also have powers that doesn't seem like anything tech could really do. if it can do it then it's some insane tech

[keen summit]

both of theirs can be relatively well explained, can you give some examples?

[ionic summit]

Genji is extremely fast. and it doesn't seem like it's any cyber implants' doing. judging by the green trails, it seems like the dragon is making him quicker. or is there some tech that just gives him a speed boost?

[keen summit]

the green trails are aslo seemingly from his suit tho, it can be explained with his cybernetics

and his cybernetics legit leaked out green gas afer going fast

[ionic summit]

didn't it do that after he put back his blade in his sheath?

[keen summit]

yeah, but now that we know its tech that also fits

that can just as easily be used as the reason, he uses the same tech as fuel, hence why he doesnt use his balde all the time, its also his fuel source

[ionic summit]

idk. it backs up my claim too. it would make sense that after using so much power with the dragonblade his body would have to cooldown a little. see how he attacks Hanzo the second the cybernetics go back in place

[keen summit]

thats the thing tho, it can be explaiend by tech

as it could also just be used as a potential source for kinetic energy

especially as when he got hurt in doom origin story we see green sparks out of his suit

• green glow is all over his suit

and yes you could also say hes always using the spirit as a fuel basically, but thats besides the point as i was showing that it can be explained by tech jsut as easily

[ionic summit]

there is green energy in his body. but that could be the dragon's doing too. doesn't negate that

[keen summit]

thats not the point though

you said it was unexplainable by tech

i explained it with tech

[ionic summit]

i never said that

[keen summit]

doesnt seem like anything tech could really do

and keep in mind we are in an universe where hardlight is made and super accurate magnets are made from scrap

[ionic summit]

i asked why kiriko can do it and the shimadas can't. seems just like a plothole

[keen summit]

it is

cuz kiriko got it from her grandma

thats the explanation

how did the grandmother get spirit magic? good question

[ionic summit]

the shimadas got it from their father. well as it seems anyway

[keen summit]

theyll never answer it, cuz it would open a whole load of more questions then

[keen summit]

nah

they got it from kirikos dad

the tech

and kirikos mom didnt even know about the fox spirit somehow

[ionic summit]

kiriko's family giving tech to a criminal clan. fitting. and kiriko over here wanting to right the wrongs

[keen summit]

i mean yeah, the shimada were better to the people than hashimoto

[ionic summit]

a bad guy being better than another bad guy doesn't exactly make him a good guy

[keen summit]

but kiriko has quite a few weird coincidences, she just feels like an anime protag

[ionic summit]

now that is true

[keen summit]

well kiriko is bad then too

[keen summit]

for example, how does Asa not know about the fox spirit, her mom just never told her but did tell her grandchild?

[ionic summit]

never said kiriko was bad (allthough she isn't the best) but her father dealing with a family of criminals is just funny

[keen summit]

well, kiriko broke out hanzo (a former crimanal and presumed killer)

and beat up random people

[ionic summit]

she beats up Hashimoto and thugs. unless there's another comic i've missed

[keen summit]

she does yes, however she did this to get a person out who also is a criminal

and has also attacked others who "did wrong" n stuff with her fox powers

[ionic summit]

as i said. isn't the best but isn't bad either. she does bad stuff for a good cause. same as some overwatch members do

[keen summit]

Her mom also trained shimada

So both her parents helped the shimada with their weapons

[ionic summit]

her family helps a criminal clan. already said that. allthough i'd say training Genji and Hanzo when they were little is more innocent than giving the clan tech

[keen summit]

I mean he seemingly mafe it before too and did it cuz shimada protected it from ruthless gangs too

[ionic summit]

the shimada clan are alot like fisk from spider-man you could say. bad people taking care of other bad people

[keen summit]

But yeah i hope they just drop this spirit stufg

Cuz theyd need to give a good explanation to make it make sense in the world

[ionic summit]

agree to disagree. i think the spirit stuff is cool and they should've commited to it

[keen summit]

i think they CAN commit to it, but theyd need to explain it more, maybe add a hero from somewhere else with spirit powers to also help explain it

cuz if its JUST japan then it starts getting more and more "japan is just special" feeling, even if they could say there are other places with it

cuz for example, alot of other myth mentions are the god programs who all follow different gods from myth

aka xibalba chernobog macaria and anubis

[ionic summit]

in the overwatch world america has super soldiers, britain has a pilot that can blink all around the place, india has that hardlight stuff, australia has insane junkers, Brasil has that sonic tech and so on. japan having spirit animals wouldn't be that crazy

[keen summit]

if they actually commit to it and explain spirits in the lore im ngl fine with that, idm having magical properties i in fact love looking behind "magical science" stuff, like how magic could be used in certain ways to be better. its how i love looking at fantasy ideas myself

[flint rivet]

I wanna see Germany and Russia spirit animals eventually if it's like "every country get a mascot animal" type thing.
Could be a cool fanfic.

[keen summit]

thing is all of these are rooted in the science of the game

and hardlight isnt exclusive to india, nor is super soldiers to america, or hell sonic tech etc

super soldiers were in different ones, like ofcourse mauga

[ionic summit]

i don't see them going that deep into it. they gave the japanese heroes spirit animals for a reason

[keen summit]

thing is, reins is so damn easy

a lion

hes already a lion in look and all

multiple lion icons on his armor

idm spirits, but IF they commit to it they need to get into the how and why

what makes you able to use one etc

[ionic summit]

it wouldn't be too hard to explain. the spirit animals could be passed down to certain clans. the shimadas possessing the dragons and kiriko's family possessing the kitsune. could be others too

[keen summit]

you need to explain the logic behind stuff, cuz otherwsie it just isnt interesting atleast thats how i see it. more rules make a cooler feel in general cuz that then makes you go oh so then thats how its used

then for example genji is a cool showcase if it were spirits as spirits with tech

how you can mix it

however if this is made to work, they need to explain it and imo have it in another hero outside of japan, to make it that it isnt just japan being anime, but that its an actual concept within the world

[flint rivet]

Aww there goes my idea of piggie for Australia cause roadhog.

Oooh the whole Leonhart thing in the shop too.

That would be cool if they did. Like if it's tied to a bloodline or something else and does the iris count as a spirit nowadays and if it does..then did all the spirits once exist then ascended like the iris did?

Maybe they gotta be worthy

[keen summit]

ehhhhhhhh i mean the iris IS different

the iris is really odd, cuz it was just an omnic that somehow either was so perfectly coded that it gained sentience, or it just did. and it couldnt be replicated unless she litterally uploaded it to everywhere else

[ionic summit]

that would make it way more complicated than it needs to be

[keen summit]

the iris is the closest other thing to magic

[keen summit]

thing is, adding rules is good to a system, cuz it makes it feel grounded

for example: all hardlight comes from an projector source, this is a rule that we've just seen in action

[ionic summit]

but spreading the spirits to more than just japanese families only adds more questions and adds more to be explained

[keen summit]

not really

cuz otherwise this is the question

"why only japan"

why would legit in all the countires with tribes, old believes, historical systems etc only japan have spirit powers

thats just a copout

[ionic summit]

because Japan is probably the country that is most about spirits. old japanese tales are almost all about spirits. either spirits or warriors

[keen summit]

and alot of african tribes also have that

they also believe in spirits and do body paint, or alot of south american tribes too

yet Illari has no spirit

[ionic summit]

and if we got an african hero who uses a spirit animal then it would stretch that part of lore even further. you really think blizzard would want that?

they wanna keep the lore at a minimum. explaining shit when they have to. other than that they focus on the shop

[keen summit]

and thats the reason why spirits is bad as an idea

if they arent willing to explain it, then they just shouldnt

just dont add spirits in that case

[ionic summit]

they added it when they actually cared for it. now they don't. if anything, explaining it as tech is the biggest copout

[keen summit]

thing is, when hanzo and genji were added they also said it was tech

they only officially added spirits with kiriko, with no effort to explain it

[ionic summit]

care to share with the class?

[keen summit]

one of the very VERY early blog posts said "theres no magic in overwatch" about the question of if the dragons were magic

before you say "spirits arent magic" kirikos origin called it the "magical art of healing"

[ionic summit]

do you not have a picture of it?

[keen summit]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/so-are-the-shimadas-magic/233613

here you go

and that was from taiga, another person who was in here for long

this was also in twitter once

however heres the problem with that, theres tons of posts id need to skim through

but the devs have in fact said that before kiriko was out

then with kiriko they contradicted it

micheal chu has confirmed it isnt, but michael chu left, afterwards magic was added

heres from the interview

[ionic summit]

so in other words, it's possible the story's been changed

the person who said it wasn't magic left and the second he did they add magic to the game? seems like some shit happened

[keen summit]

again though, that shows that when they added it it wasnt meant to be magic

kiriko was

hell it seemed in old kiriko teasers that she wasnt even supposed to know the brothers

[ionic summit]

sure, it wasn't meant then. have they said anything about it now tho?

[keen summit]

only about genji and hanzo

and the shimada weapons

but kiriko cant be explained with that

[ionic summit]

doesn't make sense that kiriko's family would have a real spirit animal but the shimadas don't

[keen summit]

and keep in mind, even hanzo got retconned cuz in HOTS it was said it came from his tattoo, and now its from his bow

[keen summit]

its not even her family though

just her grandmother

not her mother

her mother even says it isnt real

[ionic summit]

her grandmother is family, is she not?

[keen summit]

if it ran in the family, the mom would know

yet she didnt

[ionic summit]

my guess is her mother is rejecting the kitsune and refuses to learn it. coping with herself that it isn't real

[keen summit]

which is also a huge copout

again though, it doesnt make sense in universe in general

its contrary to alot of stuff, and cuz theres no rule behind it that its not even inherited either and also kiriko trained with her grandmother seemingly after she already got it

like, its so odd

and theyre unwilling to commit to it either, so the best choice now is to just act like it doesnt really happen and have kiriko be unexplained

[ionic summit]

gonna have to go with what makes the most sense. if you ask me, it makes sense that the kitsune is passed down and learned from generation to generation

[keen summit]

thing is, that in this case its not even implied if thats the case

it just kinda happened

[ionic summit]

kiriko's grandmother learned it from somewhere, probably from her parents or grandparents. she probably saw her daughter not wanting to learn it and sticking with the path of the blade so she took it up to herself to teach Kiriko herself

[keen summit]

thing is

[ionic summit]

it's an assumption

[keen summit]

kiriko just saw it

from what we've seen before even spending significant time for it she just saw it at a young age

no training no nothing

[ionic summit]

which supports my claim even more that it's passed down

[keen summit]

so if it is inherited, then asa wouldve atleast seen it and have seen some truth in it, or be able to see it on pictures they have with the kitsune in it

[ionic summit]

or the grandmother summoned it for kiriko

[keen summit]

but she doesnt

which is even weirder

[keen summit]

and why wouldnt she have for an like 5 year old asa

[ionic summit]

as i said. possible she rejects it and copes with herself saying it's not real. wanting to focus on the path of the blade

[keen summit]

keep in mind they have a family photo with the kitsune in it

how would she be able to go "oh no thats not real" for something that others might not even see on it

its ngl just a plot hole one of the many

there was no real reason for asa going on and on about how it doesnt exist, they just wanted asa kiriko conflict

[ionic summit]

she's rejecting it for herself. kiriko knows it exists yet her mother says it doesn't

[keen summit]

heres the thing though, you are taking leaps in logic then especially if she trained the shimada and then in ur idea would know of those spirits

[ionic summit]

she trained them to learn a katana. to use weapons. not spirits

[keen summit]

the only way it could make sense is that its inherited that theyre sensitive to spirits, but not all spirits

[keen summit]

its heavily implied she also helped with the tech or then in ur version, spirits

[ionic summit]

where

[keen summit]

as hanzo comments on their imperfect use and how its unstable

[keen summit]

in the same novel where its said that its tech

hanzo comments on the stuff being unstable cuz of the technique and later also cuz the smith is purposfully making them with "worse materials"

[ionic summit]

even so. the "tech" isn't the actual spirit. the kitsune is different. she didn't teach kiriko or the shimadas about it

[keen summit]

i know, but again i was saying in ur version, i disagree with it in general though. if they want to make it work they gotta explain alot of stuff

rn it just feels to me like they went lets add a yokai and then didnt know what to do

[ionic summit]

i wasn't talking about "my version". that's just wishful thinking. i'm talking about the real thing right now

[keen summit]

there its still dumb that asa wouldnt know, but again i think the reason is very simple. they wanted kiriko to have a kitsune and didnt think much further

they wanted asa to have drama with kiriko and couldnt make it about her being in a gang, or fighting to protect etc cuz it would be hypocritical, so she had to deny the kitsune from existing

[rare trail]

there is logic to her stuff?? they explain it in her origin??

and its not like the plasma thing is like

a confirmed thing that doesnt make sense

its a fan theory that doesnt make sense

defending a fan theory of how somethingworks with "it doesnt have to make sense its scifi" is insane

[whole jetty]

So when are we doing the 6v6 test?

They had news about them being willing to test it to see if the community likes it

[keen summit]

we dont know when.

[digital linden]

wasn't it like season 14

[keen summit]

its never been outright said.

[lucid tartan]

Should've been an arcade mode since ow2 released 😐

[golden oak]

Does anyone know where can I find overwatch cookbook?

[grand wedge]

Some online bookstore I guess?

[peak escarp]

try Amazon

[worthy rose]

i really wish they would make a show, or comic series, or anything

ik comics do exist but like, something for the main story

since they've scrapped pve entirely.

biggest mismanagement of any ip ever methinks

an arcane-style show for overwatch would be amazing but i doubt itll ever be done 😔

[peak escarp]

it would be awesome

[crude mesa]

what is the lore of venture

[peak escarp]

they're an archaeologist from Canada (with Mexican heritage) who works with the Wayfinders

[torn pumice]

I'm really new to overwatch, (started in feb, didnt realize there was lore til july) where am i able to find watch to read/ watch or is it in the game somewhere?

[past copper]

Watch on YouTube, read either online/buy the books/kindle

[torn pumice]

thank you!

[keen summit]

it IS blizz. but keep in mind the pve hasnt officially been scrapped. its for now while well founded, still gossip. They could always get a new PVE team etc. until that door is shut officially they wont do anything most likely with a show or whatever

[native current]

Overwatch Lore is More cool than playing in Game

[keen summit]

i mean tbf

it happens more often than id liek to admit

[native current]

I wish that We could See More About Illari
She is My second fav char in game if we talking about personality wise

[keen summit]

yeah ngl shes kinda wasted

but instead we need 100 stories bout kiriko

of which 0 actually explain why shes the only character with magic

[native current]

Zen dont use magic?

Hanzo and Genji Summon FUCKING DRAGONS

[keen summit]

its confirmed to be tech

and zenyatta outright has a line saying it isnt

kiriko is the only magic user

[native current]

Kiriko -20000 Aura

[keen summit]

and why does only she have magic? good question, its not answered in her two shorts toires, origin story, mini manga or cinematic

[native current]

Btw why she have 21 years?
30+ is minimum to fit to Hanzo or genji
She was training with them when she was Infant???

No no
She was just in Belly

🫃

[keen summit]

well she was eleven when they disbanded so ig older hanzo and genji somehow saw a five year old as a childhood friend

happens to the best of us

[pastel garden]

So guys i think i ship Genji and hanzo

They know each other for so long

it make sense

[native current]

You are Freaky

[pastel garden]

like think about it Genji X Hanzo

Genji: Where the arrow goes… i go with you Hanzo..
Hanzo: Genji… i didnt know you felt that way…

[keen summit]

just ignore him he was acting weird in ows too

hes just tryna be annoying

i still find it funny kiriko never mentioned her dad in game while knowing he was still alive kep captive by hashimot

[pastel garden]

weird isn’t a good word bud. not you getting but hurt over fictional characters

[native current]

No no he is pretty Funny tho
I like him😭

[native current]

Maybe she dont like Her Father tho 😆 or just Blizzard forget to add something in game...

I think this second

[keen summit]

nope'

in her new story it showed that shes trying to get him back

[native current]

I would read these stories if they wasnt about Kiriko...

[keen summit]

i just read it cuz hashimoto stuff

cuz my theory is that next hero is junker, hashimoto or los muertos

cuz mohawk and style + "new" map for hashimoto now has the mural changed with a tiger for hashimoto with it too, the dragons represent the brothers so having another in there..

[native current]

Hashimoto in Game? Sounds cool!!!

[keen summit]

id love it

cuz then hopefully we ca nwrap up the thing

• you could maybe truely go into the tech aspect cuz theyre using the tech from shimadas

so imagine a guy who has multiple weapons from japan all infused with the tiger

[native current]

Sooo Tiger as Ult?

[keen summit]

yeah, but imagine multiple weapons, like a naginata and nodachi

basically they could go into that all

also runs contrary to the shimadas traditional style where he would be future

[native current]

I wish that Hasimoto Hero would be Omnic Or something

In Game we have really Few omnics

Only zen and Ram

Maybe Bastion count too

BC orisa and Echo are more Robots/androids than omnic

[keen summit]

i actually made aconcept based on that, cuz yknow hanzo is tradition, kiriko is modern mixed with tradition, genji is more leanign to future but still some tradition, so i wished for hashimoto leader to be completely against tradition

[foggy oriole]

not to be noobie, but youtube is the best place to learn of more lore? been playing ow for years, just never delved into the lore, but now i’m interested lol

[keen summit]

id say yes, watch origin stories and see what you find interesting

not everyone enjoys reading n stuff

[native current]

When I was Very little i watched Overwatch Lore in youtube sooo Yes
This is best Way

[keen summit]

i no longer watch alot of vids of it cuz some people are unreliable

the best one hammeh stopped covering overwatch

stylosa when he has done it very often mixes it with his own opinions etc instead of purely covering it n stuff

[azure flint]

some guy made like an hour long vid

[keen summit]

but to get into, yes just watch origin stories, also pro tip: keep in mind all origin stories are from the heroes POV

sometimes things can be different than depicted as the hero may be biased, case and point ramattra is framed as heroic while hes waging world war, same kinda with doom but the designs tell otherwise etc

thats why the comics are almost always better to know actual lore, or the bios. cuz they speak outside of the bias from the character usually

and origin stories do miss crucial details, but to just get into it i stil recommend those

[native current]

This sounds like Great Mix!
Btw I dint notice that Hanzo Kiri and Genji
Have that amazing match

[keen summit]

yeah cuz at the end of the game i love thmeed writing

same wit hramattra vs mondatta, they are the opposites not zenyatta fro mwhat we've heard

and ramattra got out of hand as soon as mondatta was dead, aka showing the ying and yang idea, as soon as one is gone the other goes out of hand

though with ram its implied that he orchestrated it

[foggy oriole]

thank you, i’ve been reading what i can online, but it seems to vary a lot. i’ll look into the comics and stuff too.

been putting in WORK lately tho. played like 30 hours within the past few days lol

[keen summit]

theres also a helping hand in pins for stuff, and if there are any questions feel free to ask

[native current]

@keen summit what ur fav char? Btw

[keen summit]

ram

by far

[native current]

Well its fitting to you tho

[gritty parcel]

can someone explain kirikos fox I'm just curious

[spare fox]

it's the kitsune fox spirit

basically magic

[ashen scroll]

idk if ANYONE know this but can someone explain The Infinite SHotguns, i was looking and some idiot said that Reaper is a Nanotech Cyborg

[spare fox]

no, gameplay is not lore-accurate for the sake of game balance

just like how everyone gets infinite ammo - DVa gets infinite mechs, Junkrat gets infinite tires, BOB comes out of literally nowhere

[peak escarp]

Reaper can dissolve his body into smoke - no nanotechnology or cybernetics involved

[ashen scroll]

Well i know that lol

I understand now, there is nothing in lore that says That Reaper has infinite shotguns…. Thank You

[golden oak]

What if someone breathed him in?

[heavy condor]

any girlies or guys wanna join a group to make new friends? DM me😊

[polar garnet]

oh trust me the infinite shotguns are canon

it’s showed in an interaction w/ junk

he’s the only one who notices it

[golden oak]

Interactions are not entirely canon

[polar garnet]

https://youtu.be/XV1lBsMyRwg?t=88&si=l042Sew7P2MGiQ_I

[heavy condor]

any girlies or guys wanna join a group to make new friends? DM me😊

[viscid ledge]

Yeah, basically magic. I believe in Shintoism, there are local gods called kami. A kitsune is literally a magical fox and yōkai; the kitsune Kiriko is attuned to is a young one specifically.

She is a shrine maiden of a shrine in Kanezaka, pretty much a priestess, that’s why she has the ability to support and use the Kitsune’s power.

[heavy condor]

any girlies or guys wanna join a group to make new friends? DM me😊

[frosty perch]

Try lfg

[heavy condor]

u wanna joinnnn?

[heavy condor]

any girlies or guys wanna join a group to make new friends? DM me😊

[keen summit]

i still dislike that only kiriko has magic

[viscid ledge]

Hanzo and Genji use magic

Zen possibly uses magic

[keen summit]

nope

deconfirmed

its not confirmed that its tech

in last novel

and zen specifically denies that its magic

[viscid ledge]

you mean when talking to mercy?

[keen summit]

"perhaps what seems like magic, is just technology we dont yet understand"

[viscid ledge]

thats not denying it, Zen never outright answers anything

[keen summit]

not to mention that it is explainable in lore too

from what we know kiriko is now the only one who has any magic

which is annoying in worldbuilding

[viscid ledge]

what is the novel with genji and handsoap?

[keen summit]

and for hanzo and genji, its now been confirmed in the newest novel thats been released they mention that the dragon weapons are tech made by the father of kiriko

[keen summit]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-gb/media/stories/where-honor-lives/

[viscid ledge]

I feel like thats something they made up along the way tbh

[keen summit]

i doubt it, the original writer micheal chu outright said they werent magic

he left, then seemingly came kirikos story

cuz he left before ow2 and kanekaza teaser never mentioned say her relationship with a yokai nor an actual yknow hint at anything like that

my only gripe with it is that if they make it they gotta actually kinda explain it in the lore, cuz if it stems from great belief then maybe add another hero from say a tribe who believes in certain deities, then it shows its a greater rule.

[viscid ledge]

Yeah, Kiriko is a weird outlier