lore-discussion

[peak escarp]

Cassidy was assigned to be Dr. Liao's bodyguard while she built Echo (and was there to hold her when she died from the explosion)

[native cobalt]

Isnt kiriko cousins with hanzo and genji? If so how is kiriko like 21 and the brothers being in their 40's but in kirikos origin story it said she trained with them when she was younger....how does this aginging workkk???

[peak escarp]

She's the daughter of their swordmaster

also her age is wrong

[polar garnet]

the ages are completely fucked thats why

[peak escarp]

no, just hers

the rest are fine

[native cobalt]

Wdym it's wrong? Like overwatch mistyped it or sum?

[peak escarp]

her bio says she was 12 when Sojiro Shimada was killed, which happened 14 years ago

12 + 14 = 26, not 21

so either her age is wrong or the bio is wrong

[native cobalt]

Mm

OW needs to fix that

Thx so much for letting me know

[native cobalt]

What about this tho? This is a huge leap lol

Same thing right?

[peak escarp]

Kiriko was a young child and the brothers were late teens

[polar garnet]

tbf the cinematics and drawing did show she was just a couple years younger

thats what i meant when i said all their ages are fucked

[peak escarp]

a couple years?

in the image of them training, Kiriko looks like a toddler

if they're 11/13 years apart, the art is fine

[woven copper]

Where can u find lore for game cuz cant find where reaper is gay

[native cobalt]

💀

[native cobalt]

Fr that's what I thought

[woven copper]

Didnt reaper dated 76?

[polar garnet]

are you high

[woven copper]

No

[polar garnet]

...

wh

[polar garnet]

no

the answer is no

[woven copper]

Dafuq i swear read somewhere they were gay couple

[polar garnet]

probs fanfiction lol

soldiers bf was called vincent

[woven copper]

Dam gamerant article then got me fuked up

[polar garnet]

lmao

[woven copper]

Literally friends told me he was gay w 76

Other argued w me that mercy wasnt w genji

[merry token]

It’s just a headcanon lol

The only canon partner Soldier has had (that we know of) was a guy named Vincent

[woven copper]

Ah okay but they swore that was canon bur guess since they didnt know about mercy build genji

[tranquil orbit]

Yh thats kinda categorically false the two are on record for not liking each other

As was said jack had a partner called Vincent and reaper has an ex wife called martina

And i dont buy into this corny enemies to lovers idea that clearly popped into some ppls heads it just makes 0 sense in this context

[woven copper]

Ah okay ma i always though he was gay

Must of mixed it up thought soldier had kids but it was reapwr

[twin ferry]

The way this headcanon is now legitimately confusing people is so hilarious 😭

[woven copper]

Guess my friends fell for it

Only canon that makes no sense is kiri age & how she trained with shimada brothers

[twin ferry]

But yes they're not canon cause Reaper has a wife and a kid but as a shipper we just like the tension Jack and Gabriel have they're like old bitter couples who can't reconcile and is just looking for an apology from each other

Can someone explain the New Junk City lore and why Australia turned into a desolate wasteland and how their society regressed to what it is now? It always confuses me cause idk what happened exactly 😭

[normal spade]

Brokeback mountain

[fallow mantle]

doesnt help all the sfm made of them lmao - for example, if you search 'soldier 76 reaper' in gifs

[ancient lagoon]

I think that all of the mythic skins are representations of the hero’s worst fears or opposites of their morals

[merry mason]

1. The costal areas of Australia seem to be ok it’s just the outback that went all mad Max
2. After the omnic crisis, the Australian government decided to appease the omnics by giving them the Outback, but the people actually living there refused. To give it up and formed a rebellion against it. They destroyed the omnium, but ended up destroying the nuclear fusion reactor inside, irradiating the whole place.

[normal spade]

It makes sense for most of the skins but why havent zenyatta and ramatra got skins where they’re roles are reversed

[ancient lagoon]

Well we only have 2 of the new hero’s getting skins and that’s because they are the poster girls of overwatch ram and zen don’t have the physical appeal that kiriko has

And the other mythic skins have been most of the og cast

Reaper, genji, mercy, hanzo, tracer

[normal spade]

Solider also not getting one where he was genetically altered by Moira is a crime

[ancient lagoon]

Well considering that most of the art and story team has been laid off we can’t expect it anytime soon

[grand wedge]

he wasn't modified by Moira, but was genetically ehanced by SEP

Reyes got both SEP modifications and Moira's

[normal spade]

The mythic skins are from alternate timelines I meant a mythic skin mb

[grand wedge]

AH, ok i thought you were talking about lore ^^,

[merry mason]

Tracers biggest fear: 🧝‍♀️

[ancient lagoon]

I was thinking being lost in time and away from all her friends

[merry mason]

Ok but Moira would 100% ascend to become a shadow demon if she could

[rapid vapor]

All we got now is brokeback mountain

[dusk granite]

junker queen being afraid of zeus sounds fucking hilarious

[ancient lagoon]

Her is serving something other than herself

[ancient lagoon]

I think it represents being afraid of Turning into somebody that doesn’t care about the commoners and only themselves like her predecessor

[thorny zealot]

might as well start listing year of birth for heros i guess

Sigma was born in 2019

D.V.A will be born in 2067

Doomfist will be born in 2041

Junker queen will be born around 2057

Mauga will be born in 2051

Orisa will be born in 2087 ]

literally 1 month old damm

[polar garnet]

u mean 2077?

iirc ow2 is set in 2080

[thorny zealot]

alright i see

[thorny zealot]

continuing the list we have Ramatta in 2060 followed by Rien in 2025 then Roadhog in 2038 then Wnston in 2055 after that by Hammond in 2070 and then Zarya in 2058 following that is Ashe in 2041 then Bastion in 2056 and then Cassidy in 2049 then Echo in 2072 then Genji in 2051 then Hanzo in 2048 then Junkrat in 2059 then Mei who is 35 Biologically and 44 Chronologically giving her an actual date of birth in 2044 which is then followed up by Pharah in 2054 then Reaper in 2028 Sojurn is next in 2037 followed up by Soldier 76 who is born in 2030 and then Sombra in 2056 followed by Symetra in 2058 then Torb who is born in 2029 and then another double age which is tracer who was born in 2060 Chronologically but not Biologically then venture who is born in 2062 continued by widowmaker in 2053

so all of this seems to really suggest that a lot of the heros in overwatch were born in the 2050's

[thorny zealot]

i think it was found that with junkrats birthday IRRC it turned out to be 2088

anyway support heros now Ana will be born in 2026 Baptiste will be born in 2050 following that Brigitte is born in 2061 then followed up by Illari in 2070 then Juno in 2069 then followed by Kiriko who is born in 2067 followed up by Lifweaver in 2057 then lucio who is born in 2058 mercy is next in 2049 then moira in 2036 finally followed by Zenyatta in 2055

so from all of this we can see that the average year of birth for tanks is 2052
the average YOB for DPS classes is 2049
and the average YOB for support classes is 2054

this is actually kinda surprising

i was expecting the average year of birth to be the lowest for tanks

more surprising is honestly the fact that the support classes are the oldest

and if we average all of that together we get 2051 which is the average year of birth for all the heros in overwatch

honestly kinda surprising

although i guess it makes sense tbh

the big dates we should be looking out for in the future is 2025 and 2026 which will be rien and ana respectively

sigma is the only one currently alive right now so thats definitely funky

[rapid mountain]

Imagine if OW had a Captain America type of character

A guy born in the early 2000s, that was like frozen or stuck in time, and is now presented to 2077

[thorny zealot]

we already have soldier 76 but tbh it would be cool seeing someone from the 80's to early 2000's on the scene

[peak escarp]

we dont have a year

my best guess is 2079

[thorny zealot]

its rougly 2088 i assume considering calendars and dates and whatnot

i think there was a reddit post

or something that explains it better

[peak escarp]

why 2088

[thorny zealot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/16d8wn2/overwatch_2_is_set_in_january_or_february_2088/
reddit post explains it

[peak escarp]

in OW1 they said the date was "roughly 60 years from now", and Junkrat was born on a leap year so the current date needs to be 26 years after a leap year

2079 fits both those criteria

[thorny zealot]

tbh i dont think they thought it out because theres a poster with the 14th of march on it which only happens on either 2077 or 2088

so honestly i think they just didnt think it out

considering most of this stuff seems to be conflicting

[peak escarp]

the March 14 thing doesn't matter for the current year because it could be an old poster

[thorny zealot]

so its either several months old or 11 years old

[peak escarp]

it could be a poster from 2077

[thorny zealot]

i dont think poster glue lasts that long..

[peak escarp]

which is the year OW1 took place in if OW2 is in 2079

poster glue can last for decades

[thorny zealot]

alright well if thats the case then just walk all the heros DOB's by about 11 years

[peak escarp]

D.Va's short had a news broadcast with the date "Thursday 19" in it

[thorny zealot]

this means that rien ana and torb are all currently alive

probs soldier 76 as well

moira is next year if thats the case

[rapid mountain]

Soldier is a bit similar

But yeh

Just a guy from our era, seeing what the world is like in 2079

Like a guy from the 2000s would have to be confused asf when they see a Omnic or a talking gorilla

Or something like Doomfist

[pure shoal]

Guys who were the two scientist that appeared in the Juno storytime thingy

[peak escarp]

there were a lot more than two

[pure shoal]

Yeah but that one picture

It was a girl with glasses and one with a ponytail

[peak escarp]

her mom Dr. Jiayi Teo and her dad Dr. Khiem Van Minh

Juno's full name is Juno Teo Minh

or do you mean this one?

that's Jiayi and Mei

[merry token]

Oml the art is so cute

[twin ferry]

Omg he got to experience the lockdown

[twin ferry]

Wait omg you're a mod now? Why's your name not in orange?

[peak escarp]

I'm a reddit mod

[pure shoal]

OOH

so Mei helped with the expansion thingy? (Moving to mars thing)

so she knows what happened to the signal correct?

[peak escarp]

not yet

[opaque perch]

So, Lucio doesn't meet Overwatch until the events of Overwatch 2?

[peak escarp]

correct

their first meeting is during the Resistance mission

[opaque perch]

Interesting.. same for Bastion right. Torbjorn was taking care of him and he meets Brig and Rein when they bring one of the victims to Torb

[peak escarp]

right

you can see how Zarya, Baptiste and D.Va join Overwatch in the 5-part comic New Blood

[opaque perch]

Do we have a continuation of the cinematics? Like, what's going on with the Omnic attack that Ram(?) is heading. He isn't associated with Talon in any way is he?

[peak escarp]

there's an anthology of short stories called Heroes Ascendant that shows how Ramattra's invasion is handled by the non-Overwatch heroes

[opaque perch]

Oh! That's cool. Where can I find those?

[peak escarp]

Ramattra is working with Talon to accomplish his war, but Doomfist doesn't seem to completely trust him

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/

[opaque perch]

Thanks!

[peak escarp]

4 of the 8 short stories have been posted for free

and 3 more will be posted... eventually

[opaque perch]

What's Cassidy's lore again, he was Overwatch, defected and came back?

[peak escarp]

one one story (featuring Ashe and the Deadlock gang) is exclusive to the print version

[peak escarp]

he was a founder of the Deadlock Gang as a teenager, along with Ashe - the gang got busted by Overwatch and Reyes gave Cassidy the option of joining Overwatch or going to jail

he joined Overwatch and later helped form Blackwatch, the covert ops division

[opaque perch]

That's what Soldier is up to rn right? Went underground with Black watch, or did he just go off reservation completely

[peak escarp]

Cassidy stuck around until Overwatch was shut down by the UN, then he became a wandering bounty hunter until Winston sent out his recall and Ana sent him to recruit some new blood for the team

Soldier just went off on his own

[opaque perch]

Gotcha. The lore is cool!

[peak escarp]

two of the stories in Heroes Ascendant cover what Soldier is up to, following up after his appearance in Bastet

[opaque perch]

I wasn't into Overwatch at all before, only played when my friends asked and didn't care much past that. Then I picked up Venture and now I'm having fun and wanna learn about the lore because the cinematics are super cool

[peak escarp]

I've got a list of links to all the lore content that should help

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit?usp=sharing

[opaque perch]

Swick

Wait! Is Sombra a talon agent or Overwatch?

[peak escarp]

Talon

but she's kinda using them for her own goals

[polar garnet]

^

[polar garnet]

she’s not actually loyal to them she just wants their resources

[golden oak]

I feel like Moira would be a similar case because she wasn’t loyal to ow either
Although her and Akande share a somewhat similar goal

[cinder sequoia]

If you think about it

Mauga’s basically on steroids

and if we use basic earth logic

a lot of the characters would just be normal

or not even exist (zen, rammatra, orisa, bastion)

sigma can’t fly nor even grasp the power of a fuckibg black hold

[valid acorn]

two hearts would not make you the hulk mauga is NOT realistic

[thorny zealot]

i wonder if Juno means anything in vietnameese considering its more related to roman mythology

or if its just a name they thought would be fitting

[peak escarp]

"So she's born on Mars, right? And one of her parents, Jiayi, is from Singapore, and in Singapore they speak Mandarin... so they kind of are naming her after Project Red Promise. If you actually look at the Chinese characters of 'Ju-no,' that means 'vermilion promise,' loosely. So the person who's granting this name to the person, what's going through their head? To Jiayi and to Kim, this is like, she's the embodiment of a red promise. The project is called Red Promise, and then Mars is red, and then vermillion is a really auspicious color, so it all came together."

from https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/overwatch-2-devs-break-down-junos-development-backstory/

[thorny zealot]

ah i see

i dont really know mandarin so i just assumed she was named after the roman godess juno because thats the only association i had with the name (apart from the space probe i guess)

[peak escarp]

there's also that

Juno was the mother of Mars

[rapid mountain]

Yeah

I wonder the orders of which each member joined talon

Think Moira was the first one after Doom

[keen ledge]

When I say Reinhardts video was the best I don’t expect people talking back to me.

[peak escarp]

it is top tier

but when all the animations are top tier, it's tough competition

[keen ledge]

Still

“be their shield..”

[peak escarp]

"I have been called. I must answer. Always."

[spare fox]

Imo I think Shooting Star is the lowest but that's bc it doesn't make sense

Hana has trouble asking for help... even though she's on a team. Then goes off on her own. Then admits she needs help but winds up saving the day on her own

They probably rushed it out when they learned they were presenting in Korea

[merry mason]

She needed help from the guy to overload the mini reactor in the mech

[polar garnet]

ngl dragons was a close second

mainly because of the soundtrack

ooh the soundtrack

that was amazing

[spare fox]

I feel like Calling with Sojourn is a bit underrated

There's a lot of subtlety and info in that one

[peak escarp]

yeah the writing was pretty bad

it would have helped if Dae-hyun came up with the idea to blow up the reactor

[brazen locust]

guys i think in the new update theyre gonna reveal they all have massive orgies after the pvp matches

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

You've got mail

[patent trench]

it just felt underwhelming for me

if they wanted to do the “trouble asking for help” thing wouldn’t it be better to do about WHEN she first joined the MEKA squad
we get to see a new, younger and dumber Hana

[gusty cloak]

was overwatch formed becuase of the omnic war? or was it formed before? and for what reason?

[past copper]

Overwatch was formed during the Omnic Crisis in order to bring the war to an end

Originally. But after the war, they became a global task force to keep the peace

[gusty cloak]

oh okay

also what happened in australia? why is it a wasteland?

[polar garnet]

omnium fusion core exploded
covered most of australia with radiation

australia became a second chernobyl

[keen summit]

For lots dragons is number one, my fav is bastion just cuz i love the non verbal showcase

[polar garnet]

true

the last bastion is one of my faves

[keen summit]

Is there any chance the treatment sojourn got was related to dooms parents business?

[peak escarp]

Declassified says it wasn't

[twin ferry]

What's omnium? Is it related to the omnics?

[polar garnet]

yes (sorta)

[merry mason]

It’s the factory they are made in

[polar garnet]

they invented omnics

[twin ferry]

Oh so there's one in Australia that got fucked up and exploded

[peak escarp]

Omnica Corporation is the company that invented omnics

[polar garnet]

omniums are factories of the omnica corporation

[polar garnet]

yes

[peak escarp]

an omnium is an automated factory that makes omnics

[merry mason]

Yes, specifically by rebels who didn’t want the government to give their land to omnics

Those rebels became junkers

[twin ferry]

Then isn't it sorta the rebels fault as to why Australia is the way that it is now like a desolate wasteland?

That's kinda sad they had a good cause but they doomed their society to regress into what Junk City is now

[merry mason]

Pretty much. I should note that it’s just the outback that’s irradiated and ruined. Costal cities like Sydney are doing fine

[twin ferry]

Is the government not doing anything about them? Like they're still their people damn 😭

At least Junker Queen is badass af and pretty 🫶

[peak escarp]

sorta

[twin ferry]

are the comics free to read on the internet or do you have to buy them I know they're not really considered canon but I wanna learn more about the lore aside from the cinematics and the origin stories

Esp the Junker one and the Cassidy one

[merry mason]

You can see all the comics and most short stories on the overwatch website. There are some novels (for orisa, soujorn and Ashe&cass) plus a lore book that you can buy, and an anthology book that features short stories for many heroes.

They are posting the same short stories in that anthology book on the website too. Apparently only one will stay exclusive to the physical book

[peak escarp]

yes, the Ashe story

[unreal pasture]

is there a canon reason junos is so hot

[peak escarp]

good genetics?

[unreal pasture]

all of it went to her ass

[balmy valve]

tracer's ass on top

[unreal pasture]

still remember the widowmaker ass nerf

[gray nebula]

Can there please be a thing if someone in your group who you are not even party with leaves the match, doesn’t count too much of a loss it’s not my fault they rage and leave. It’s sad everyone else who is trying receives the same consequences and the person who left.

[peak escarp]

what does that have to do with lore?

[polar garnet]

it’s because they don’t wanna recolonise

place is too radioactive for urban life

the junkers don’t give a shit ofc

also speaking of urban areas in the wasteland

what’s the lore of njc

[peak escarp]

the omnium blew up and the rebel group took it over and made it into a city

New Junk City is part of Junkertown

[polar garnet]

oh so njc is the omnium

[peak escarp]

yes

[polar garnet]

jesus that musnt be safe to live in lmao

[peak escarp]

nope

[polar garnet]

basically chernobyl

[peak escarp]

but they'd rather die of radiation exposure than give up their land

[polar garnet]

real

[stone flax]

Am silver 3 , I need someone to play with me rank now

[peak escarp]

this is Lore Discussion

[stone flax]

Yes I know

Don’t make it difficult

[peak escarp]

so it's not the place to ask for people to play with you

[stone flax]

Don’t make it difficult

[peak escarp]

go to #overwatch or #overwatch-serious

[worthy rose]

do you think sigma saw the iris

[peak escarp]

no

[spare fox]

I think he did. I think his experiment-turned-accident in space somehow relates to the Awakening, just my theory
And he has a voiceline with Zen that says he has met the Iris. My theory isn't entirely fleshed out but..

[past copper]

This is the Iris. A physical thing on Earth

The only way Sigma could have encountered the Iris would be if he was called in at the time it was first formed

But given his scientific credentials, that’s a very small, if not impossible chance

[peak escarp]

or if he went to see it after it formed

[rare trail]

how long ago did sigs accident happen

[peak escarp]

personally I think his line with Zenyatta is a weird way of saying he's met Aurora before she became the Iris

[past copper]

I meant to study. Scientists of all kinds would want to know more about such an impossible, but intriguing phenomenon

[peak escarp]

we don't know for sure - the first time he appears in the lore post-accident is when Reaper and Sombra (and later Widowmaker when they botch the mission) go to snatch him from the government facility 6 years ago

[past copper]

It was right around the time Gabriel officially joined Talon alongside Sombra was it not

[peak escarp]

about a year after the Swiss HQ explosion

headquarters to shrapnel. The last things he remembered were the flash of
ignition, a terrible moment of searing heat, and Jack’s eyes, wide with horror.
Then . . . impenetrable darkness.```

this was Reaper and Sombra's first official mission with Talon

I think

[spare fox]

I personally theorize that that's one of the reasons why Talon wants him

that Sigma knows and/or has experienced something that's important to omnic sentience/the awakening but his mind is all jumbled up

that and there's his motif of "what is that music?" and that when omnics Awoke some of them heard music apparently

[past copper]

Or… Doomfist wants Sigma for his knowledge on harnessing the energy of a black hole, which he is clearly interested in for a mysterious reason

[peak escarp]

Sigma is also an expert on gravity

[past copper]

Doomfist is clearly interested in Sigma’s knowledge, which unfortunately for him is somewhere in his head

Just as he is interested in the Ramattra’s mysterious power source

Based on what Mauga has said, Doomfist wants something to power a mysterious weapon of his. What that is has yet to be revealed

[spare fox]

and then there's the question of whether or not Doomfist is in space per his comment in the Mauga short

[past copper]

Just know if it’s something Doomfist made, it can’t spell anything but danger for the entire world

Doomfist is not in space! Have people seriously never heard of a figure of speech!?

[spare fox]

but it is the way he said it

if he was speaking hypothetically he would have said, "it could be seen from space" or "they could see it in space"

[peak escarp]

we don't know if he is or isn't

[spare fox]

not "I could see it from space" which is what he said

[peak escarp]

just saying that isn't enough to be certain

but it is plausible

[spare fox]

it isn't but that is what he said, if it were anything else he would have said anything else

[peak escarp]

I would not be surprised if Talon had a space station

[past copper]

Doomfist and Talon as a whole have spies and agents all over the world and all with various specialties. Such as monitoring things via satellite

Which we already do today

[spare fox]

yes but he still would not have phrased it "I could see it"

it would be "they could see it in space" or "our satellites picked it up from space". He specifically said "I"

and I would argue that if he said "we" it would be more nebulous but he specifically said "I"

[past copper]

He literally said that as a warning. That if Talon could see it via satellite, or just keeping tabs on their agents, than Ramattra could see it as well

[spare fox]

see you guys are taking more leaps with it

space travel is much more common and quicker in the OW universe, it's absolutely not unreasonable that a leader like Doomfist could be in space

[past copper]

Because we still don’t know how their meeting went, but if Doomfist is making it a point to keep things quiet by having agents infiltrate a fallen Null Sector ship, it’s safe to assume he doesn’t want his “ally” finding out he’s stealing his technology

[peak escarp]

and why does that mean he can't be in space?

[past copper]

As we read from Hammond’s story, traveling to and from space a number of times takes a permanent toll on the human body. Doomfist would not risk his own health traveling between space and Earth for any reason

[spare fox]

... I don't know about that

[peak escarp]

where does it say that?

Dr. Chao had reduced bone density because she spent a long time on the moon, not because she went back and forth a lot

[spare fox]

that's yet another leap if you ask me. And there are ways to counteract the effects of being in space, Dr. Chao just neglected them

[past copper]

The woman Hammond hates. Her travels between Earth and the moon colony eventually took a toll on her body, leaving her in the state she is now

[peak escarp]

that was not the reason

“If by that you mean before the . . . rebellion, then yes. But as you can see, it feels like I spent more than enough time there. After years in and out of lunar gravity, my body atrophied beyond repair. I’m afraid at my age—even with years of physical therapy—it was too difficult to regain the muscle mass I lost. I wasn’t a great candidate for cybernetics either, so . . .” She gestures to the chair.```

it was the lunar gravity, not the space travel

[spare fox]

and even if DF were conscientious about his health after multiple trips into space, there's no where that indicates he has taken multiple trips. Just this one.

[past copper]

I stand by my statement. Doomfist is not in space, he’s just warning his “stealth” team that if he could see the explosion from the HQ, so too could Ramattra from his own HQ

Which is something to be concerned about if he wants to keep Ram as an ally

Given this tho (even if it’s from a non-canon comic), safe to say Ramattra will find out regardless

[spare fox]

I just think all that, while not necessarily untrue, requires a lot more leaps than him actually being in space based on his quote, "I could see [the explosion] from space."

[peak escarp]

you can think what you want, but don't correct people on something that isn't confirmed

[spare fox]

I don't think I was correcting anything?

[peak escarp]

not you

sorry

[spare fox]

ah ok sorry

[peak escarp]

but it does apply in general

it's why I use modifiers like "probably" or "most likely" a lot

[spare fox]

I try to use "I think" or "I theorize" along those lines

[cobalt kite]

Just finished the first mission

Guessing that last person they need is either Morrison or Ana

[peak escarp]

you'll meet them in the second mission

[cobalt kite]

You know, this campaign is seeming pretty awesome

Oh ok Cassidy was talking about Vivian

[peak escarp]

it's such a shame the campaign hasn't continued

and isn't likely to continue at this point

but never say never

[spare fox]

it's funny but I just had a friend pick up the missions last week for the first time

I really hope they continue somehow

[cobalt kite]

That third mission was crazy

[peak escarp]

which one did you like best?

[cobalt kite]

Probably the third one

The second one was hell

I actually failed once cause one of the subjugators got to the omnics

I think Torbjorn has become one of my favorite characters

Now I really want this damn thing to continue

I hope at some point a member of Overwatch tells the government to fuck off in the same sort of way Steve Rogers did to Thaddeus Ross in Avengers Infinity War. Who do you think would do that? I'm thinking Morrison, but would anyone else fit better?

[shy dagger]

Jake is doing his own thing. He’s not part of Overwatch anymore and is more like a vigilante. Though I could see if he rejoined the team. In the meantime, I think Winston, being the current leader of the team, would be the one to do it

[cobalt kite]

I just know a member of the government sent Winston a deeply threatening message

Like bruh the world is being overrun by robots

[cobalt kite]

His first name's Jack btw

[shy dagger]

When have governments ever been logical and effective? Like as along as they keep their interests safe they won’t care about Null sector

[shy dagger]

I know

[twin ferry]

I hate how they left with a cliff hanger it's so annoying 😭

Esp since I wanna see Sombra and Widow in action together

[cobalt kite]

Why did they stop? Have they said anything about it?

[peak escarp]

the PvE department was cut during the acquisition by Microsoft

it hasn't officially been cancelled, but it's pretty much dead

the executives don't see PvE/lore as profitable, and decided to double down on the PvP side

[cobalt kite]

But maybe it could come back

[peak escarp]

possibly

I have hope it will someday

[cobalt kite]

Anyhow, why the fuck does Talon keep Mauga when he just makes every mission 10x harder

[peak escarp]

because he's a strong asset despite that

he fought Doomfist to a draw

[cobalt kite]

And also Sombra regularly screws Talon over for her own goals

Speaking of which, Sombra lost a shit ton of valuable data (and her favorite pizza recipes) because of Mauga

[blazing igloo]

Chat how does juno fit into the lore

[lapis lagoon]

Should be more null sector stuff

[willow meadow]

Juno is from a mars colony that was tasked with terraforming the planet, because of bad weather conditions on mars, Juno was forced to leave the colony and head to Earth to share the information about the failed mission with Mei.

Thats basically all we know for now, but correct me if im wrong ofc

[ionic summit]

yes but overwatch hates its own lore

[keen summit]

Basically blizz is keeping the door open so that if they ever decide to maybe just finish what they had they didnt first kill it

[keen summit]

He doesnt really make them harder every time, he just doesny listen

[keen summit]

Shes also already been contacted by overwatch

[willow meadow]

Athena to be exact

Because she was also looking for them too

I would assume

[keen summit]

Yeah, and her bio states shes in Gibraltar

[keen summit]

Cuz mei is woth them

[willow meadow]

Yuh

[keen summit]

But it seemed like dumb lucj

Ngl i really hate that if she just was conracted, went there and bam done, cuz then the whole travelling around searching is just skipped

[willow meadow]

I think she could choose where she landed, like she had control of the pod. And overwatch was probably able to contact her no matter where she entered the atmosphere

[keen summit]

Why wpuld she choose dorado though then

[willow meadow]

It’s the best payload map duh lollll

Probably just what the blizzard staff picked idk if there’s a reason yet

[keen summit]

I actually dont think she could choose cuz if youd choose without knowing much wouldnt you choose the biggest land masses to aim for

[keen summit]

I have hope that its to setup next herp like how mauga and venture had cpmic together

As the only thing we seem to know of next hero is tanned, probs loud and mohawk

Would fit a los muertos hero

I just hope they dont just skip over junos story after she landed cuz well, shes alreafy in Gibraltar

[keen summit]

The problem with that is that rhey dont want to cancel pve, more null sector will often mean progressing the story, which they cant outside of pve if they want to keep the door open

So now theyre doing whst they always did, add side stories, side characters etc. for example they have a character in lore who's part of null sector, and yet hes never used nor mentioned

(Kace)

Was he a drone of ramattra? Or a follower? Where did he go? We dont know

[lapis lagoon]

Yeah but like one of those seasonal modes or smth man just anything null sector would be nice as ramattra and his group imo are much more interesting then ow or talon

Like a whole null sector season again would be so nice as it's just interesting lore

[keen summit]

I agree but i think thats why they dont do that

[keen summit]

The season itsekf didnt bring lore, the pve did

[lapis lagoon]

Like ram has the best lore for a character imo

[keen summit]

Most would agree

Thing is hes tied to the story moving forward

[lapis lagoon]

Yeah but still just more null sector 😭😭😭

Ramattra shaped whole in my heart craving more null sector

[keen summit]

This year in general had no previously known heroes in lore

Cuz we also dobt seem to know the next hero either

[lapis lagoon]

Yeah imo lame asf

[keen summit]

Imo 1 per year would be good

[lapis lagoon]

Yeah yeah fr fr

[keen summit]

2 to flesh out the greater wprld and 1 previous known hero

Thing is we are well

Running out of those

We have sanjay, hamid faisal, max (though its unlike him to go in as himself) and kace and iggy maybe

And the rest are like, every character on posters? But thats barely anything lore wise, id not even consider hamid one anymore cuz venturr replaced him in story

He at first was the one ana had contact with from the archeologist faction venture is part of, now venture is the one she has contact with

[lapis lagoon]

Who from this do you reckon we would get if we did

I would say the omnics

Helps flesh out the omnic plot and ramattra

[ionic summit]

now, asking the real questions. if magic isn't real in the overwatch universe, what's the explaination for the Shimadas' powers, Kiriko's spirit fox, Ramattra's staff and Zenyatta's... everything?

Sigma i can kinda get behind with space movie science shit but the spirit animals from Japan do not make sense. those are magic

[lapis lagoon]

He kinda hints it's the iris

For himself

[ionic summit]

but what is the iris

[lapis lagoon]

He ask zen how he floats and zen says it's gifts from the Iris and sigma says he's meet it too

[lapis lagoon]

Some sentient omnic that sacrificed herself for them all I'm pretty sure

Transcended to the iris

[ionic summit]

i think sigma just said they've met because he had no fucking clue what it was lmao. zen's reply to him saying they've met supports that

[lapis lagoon]

Yeah but sigma most likely "transcended" like zen but most likely cause he's a dude he lost it where as zen is omnic

I personally believe that's what he saw in the black hole

[ionic summit]

based on that final cutscene from the pve. gotta be more than just an omnic who sacrificed herself. looked like they were bowing down to a god or something

[lapis lagoon]

Originally she was a super sentient omnic

[ionic summit]

with how Zen said to Sigma "how... fortunate for you", it seems like he said that to not ruin it for sigma since you can't "meet" the iris

[ivory magnet]

I'm gonna die aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[keen summit]

the spirits from hanzo and genji are hardlight, ramattra is nanites and zen we dont know but could easily also be nanites

[ionic summit]

hardlight?

[keen summit]

yep

theyre not magic, the fox is

[ionic summit]

what exactly is hardlight?

[keen summit]

why specifically the fox? well uh spirit isnt magic in the eyes of overwatch

[keen summit]

its as it implies, hard light

its what sym uses and is very well utilised, lw uses a variant

[ionic summit]

but if it's only technology like that. why does Hanzo say "only a Shimada can control the dragons"

[keen summit]

because it might be litteral pattented tech for them

all we know is that those somehow arent spirits, courtesy of six here

and i trust six's lore knowledge very much

[ionic summit]

even tho they are called spirit dragons?

[keen summit]

the "no magic" statement is very old too

[keen summit]

its only called that as a equippable voiceline really

however how theyre called =/= what it always is

the only one confirmed to be magic is kiriko, the rest like zen outright says isnt magic

[ionic summit]

okay i can kinda see it being hardlight. but how does it then have the power to not only amplify whatever it possesses, but also can do damage on its own

[keen summit]

zen himself says "sometimes what seems like magic, is just technology you cant yet understand"

[keen summit]

where is it stated it amplifies?

because doing damage is simple, look at sym again

[ionic summit]

well looking at genji's and hanzo's powers. it's pretty obvious. storm arrow for example. and genji's dragonblade

[ionic summit]

sym does damage with her beams, but nothing else

[keen summit]

genji with ult is also just using more energy

[keen summit]

which is hardlight

[ionic summit]

so i'm supposed to believe that all the stories of the spirit dragons being these special beings are just false and are just hardlight. genji's super powered katana is just stronger because of hardlight? how would the shimada clan even get hardlight technology?

[keen summit]

here

its confirmed to be technologu

[ionic summit]

the Shimada clan is a crime family. how the hell would they even get hardlight?

[keen summit]

but hey i didnt read this yet, toshiro is confirmed to be alive and yet kiri dont care

[keen summit]

you do know vishkar is not a good company right?

[ionic summit]

toshiro?

[keen summit]

theyre with talon

[keen summit]

kirikos dad

and the sword maker

[ionic summit]

i'm sorry what. where is this said

[ionic summit]

ahh

[keen summit]

in moiras origin story

sanjay, from vishkar, is in talon council

[ionic summit]

but also. genji and hanzo both say a specific line when summoning their spirit dragons. genji saying "ryujin no ken wo kurae!" and hanzo saying "ryu ga waka teki wo kurau!". any explaination on that?

[ionic summit]

what the hell

[keen summit]

both are very traditional

not everything is literal

the universe doesnt actually sing to sigma for example

[ionic summit]

does in his head

actually mentioning sigma. my god his origin story is good. really shows how insane he has become. also his VA is probably the best ow VA out of them all

[keen summit]

yeah, but same with that, it could JUST be a way for them to call on it, or to activate it

its legit confirmed to be tech by hanzo now

made by toshiro

[ionic summit]

still doesn't make sense to me that it's just technology. what was the whole dragons of the north and south wind story for then?

[keen summit]

allegory

for hanzo and genji

[ionic summit]

well, when you think about it, it kinda makes sense, the clan believing in these spirits so much that they make them a reality with technology

[keen summit]

yeah, and they keep the tradition of it alive like that

basically only magic is kiriko

its very dumb imo, wouldve been cooler cuz sojiro made her weapons too that he gave her that fox spirit basically

and the healing stuff, but instead it was the fox spirit that her grandma had aswell but asa didnt for some reason and she learned healing magic from it etc

its dumb

[gusty cloak]

Does overwatch have a lore team rn? I heard that Microsoft laid of the whole lore team when they bought blizzard?

[ionic summit]

probably not

[keen summit]

they do still

they just laid off lots of people from everywhere

they laid off the whole current pve team / repurposed them

aka made them work on different things within it

[gusty cloak]

pve team i understand cuz theres no more pve, but why lore?

lore is such a huge part of this game

are all future characters gonna be dry now

[keen summit]

thats not gone

[green yacht]

How they gonna leave widowmakers story on her maybe starting to feel empathy again iM MAD

[keen summit]

they never laid off the "entire lore team"

theres 0 evidence of that

[green yacht]

I know Michael chu left and he is the sole reason the lore is good

[keen summit]

thats been years

and juno, ram and mauga have all had good lore

[green yacht]

Ram and mauga sure

Juno idk yet

[keen summit]

juno too

micheal chu left in 2020

[green yacht]

I feel like ram and mauga were teased before 2020

[keen summit]

1 year after ow2 was even announced

[green yacht]

I swear I've seen old art of mauga and ram

Like junker queen

[keen summit]

they were teased once yea

[rare trail]

isnt that where shes been at like forever thats not new

[keen summit]

but their greater writing was done after it

same with jq

mauga ram and jq we only had little bits and pieces, but not real backstory

ram only had "im listening"

[green yacht]

Yeah but they probably cooked up the backstory way before they mentioned it

[keen summit]

ik, but the fact we have to say probaly says alot

and kiriko would then also be in there

and kiriko backstory is bad

[green yacht]

Like I feel like the lore of the character is what inspires the rest

[keen summit]

it depends

some are opposite

like sigma

[green yacht]

Kiriko would have made more sense if they didn't mess up her age

[keen summit]

thats not even the biggest problem

[rare trail]

mess up is a weird phrase to use

[keen summit]

everything about her doesnt make sense

[rare trail]

it probably has an explanation we just havent been given yet

[keen summit]

she has a dad thats kidnapped and she never mentions him, now finally she has done something with it

[rare trail]

since they fixed soj age which was genuinely wro g

[keen summit]

i doubt it. but kiriko in writing in general is just very bad

they did her better luckily when another writer got the freedom with her

[green yacht]

I don't know why they have to make characters young to be relatable technically sigma is gen alpha make that part of the game make sigma a skibidi toilet fan canonically

[rare trail]

we dont know that

[keen summit]

theres no explicit year tbh

they said once but never stuck with it

[green yacht]

Really

[keen summit]

they keep kinda changing it cuz well, nobody really cares about the exact year

[rare trail]

the closest we have is like based on junk age but i doubt that like thats intentional

[green yacht]

I thought it was set in the 70s

2070s

[keen summit]

the writing has been fine without micheal

[green yacht]

It's getting worse I feel too

[keen summit]

nah

[green yacht]

Like where TF dies venture and illari fit in with the lore

[keen summit]

where did zarya?

or dva?

[green yacht]

Zarya and dva fit in

Both military

[keen summit]

not really at first

they also just existed

venture is part of an archeology group we've known about for years

dva and zarya were like illari was

aka unconnected

they existed in their own bubble

[green yacht]

I feel like they were connected to the universe

Shows how other nations handled the omnic crisis and such

[keen summit]

illari is too and she fits in aswell, as her clan handled it with those styles

and venture is archeology, which has been in ow since launch and their group since petra

[green yacht]

I didn't know that tbh

I'm not as much of a lore master as I thought I was lol

[keen summit]

yep, in petra theres the group

thats why we know their connection

[green yacht]

Ah ok

[keen summit]

and ana knew a person in there

Hamid faisal

venture replaced em basically

[green yacht]

Ok thank you

[keen summit]

so we already knew that group is connected to ana which helped alot

illari is the only island in connections

all other heroes are connected

[green yacht]

True I just really wish they fleshed out all these ideas

[keen summit]

only bad part in junos writing is that it seemed they skipped her journey cuz shes already as place of work at gibraltar

[green yacht]

PVE was something I was asking for even as a little 12 year old

[keen summit]

pve isnt officially cancelled

so its still possible

[green yacht]

Imagine a ramattra boss fight

[keen summit]

however its very unlikely to come soon

[green yacht]

True

I mean Microsoft gutted the team after blizzard gutted the team

[keen summit]

we know they had more stuff, and blizz hates throwing stuff away so its quite likely theyll do a few more missions

[green yacht]

All we got left are ghosts

[keen summit]

yknow there is a thing called hiring

[green yacht]

Yeah I just hope we enter the timeline where overwatch 3 is released in like 7 years and its goated

[keen summit]

they could just get new people

thing is again

they HATE throwing stuff away

[green yacht]

True

[keen summit]

look at dooms rock

[gusty cloak]

oh thank god then

[keen summit]

doom was gonna have a rock throw, then mauga but uhh that didnt fit eventually so sigma

[green yacht]

True

I keep saying true I'm silly

[gusty cloak]

i hope they bring back old pve missions, cuz i never played ow1

[green yacht]

I hope they make the covetted overwatch 3 MMO

The overwatch MMO is real guys

Gotta believe

[gusty cloak]

like 6v6 which is prob gonna come back too

[green yacht]

Can't wait for 6v6 to come back and it takes a year for them to rebalance tanks

[gusty cloak]

atleast it will spice up the game

[green yacht]

True

[gusty cloak]

cuz the last season and this season have been dry af

didnt they say they would make big changes ( like that one season with healthpool changes to every character ) like every year or so?

[green yacht]

I just hate overwatch ever since I got hard stuck gold

I blame season 9 or whenever they buffed everyones health and made it 50x harder to climb

[keen summit]

we know it will

[keen summit]

that was this year

sooo

[green yacht]

I hate big changes but I know I'm the minority so I gotta roll with it

[keen summit]

anyways, i dont think the writing took a hit cuz of michael chu

thats just nostalgia talking

[green yacht]

I have the kind of autism that whether they did all this stuff or never changed the game since launch id still be playing everyday

I wouldn't even say it's nostalgia

[keen summit]

cuz alot of badly written heroes were from ow1 aswell

[green yacht]

Cuz now that I'm used to 5v5 I don't want 6v6 back

[keen summit]

i meant as in with the writing

[green yacht]

Ohhh

That is true

[keen summit]

ow1 had lots of weakely written heroes too

[green yacht]

Rose tinted glasses

[keen summit]

we seem to forget that the lore team isnt 1 person

michael chu was just the spokesperson

some heroes lore are even given different lead writers

like illari having a peruvian writer be the lead

[peak escarp]

Michael Chu was also EXTREMELY unpopular among the community as the head writer

a very vocal minority (pharmercy shippers) accused him of pushing Gency as a self insert because Chu is an Asian man married to a white woman

[rotund mist]

I have a question about the omnics. Is there a way to shut them off? Like a power button or something. been thinking about this for a while

[peak escarp]

the devices Ramattra placed on them seems to have turned them off, but removing it kills the omnic

[golden oak]

What lore skins would y’all like to see? Except the obvious academy LW

[peak escarp]

I can't think of any more that we don't already have

[golden oak]

I’d say Talon suit mauga also

[peak escarp]

oh yeah

make him look like a Talon Heavy

[golden oak]

I’m curious how Moira would look in talon’s signature white and red colors

[past copper]

The rest of the Polar skins

Talon Mauga

[shy dagger]

Probably not too different from her Blackwatch attire, which is why they haven’t added one yet

[timid obsidian]

I always wanted them to make some skins with the talon agents from archives but it’s been gone all of ow2

Like widowmaker as talon sniper, soldier as talon soldier

come on this would’ve been so easy

Maybe soldier 76 for this too?

[grand vale]

We are looking for comp players who are decent who want to try out for the team we’re about to be in some tournaments soon so if you’re interested, hit me up

[peak escarp]

you're looking in the wrong channel

[rapid mountain]

I think that’s a weird thing to do as a fanbase

Examples like this are why I wish the word self insert wasn’t created

[rapid mountain]

Would this be a mirror watch skin

I wonder what happened to characters like Moira and reaper in mirror watch

[keen summit]

the labcoat sigma skin still

[crude mesa]

anyone have mercy brig or ana lore

[digital linden]

could be that mirrorverse moira’s research would’ve been praised instead of silenced

[timid obsidian]

I’d wish

[worthy rose]

She'd probably be ethical

[golden oak]

Maybe reaper would begin in talon, then joined ow kinda like Baptiste

They didn’t do reaper bc he already has overwatch skins I guess

[rapid mountain]

Reaper only has black watch skins tho

Not actually blue Overwatch skin

[golden oak]

Hm

Could soldier 24 count

I think he wore that in the beginning of ow

[peak escarp]

that was before Overwatch

[fluid portal]

whats zarya lore?

[golden oak]

Pretty sure he wore it in the genesis also

[peak escarp]

I don't think he ever wore Overwatch blue

I guess

[peak escarp]

she's a former Olympic weightlifter who abandoned the sport to defend her country from the second omnic crisis

[twin ferry]

He is sooo fine

[twin ferry]

I hate how mirror watch didn't even give Moira a skin like I want her with Mercy-like clothes 😩

[golden oak]

Ig that’s his outfit before blackwatch

[peak escarp]

ah

not full blue, but enough

[golden oak]

Next mirrorwatch I wanna see Vishkar Lucio, talon (?) soldier 76, overwatch mauga, talon uhh dva?

I wonder where hog and junkrat would end up too

Judging how junkrat has a creative mind I’d say Vishkar

Wait, he did get a voice line in that bp something about being a scientist

So maybe oasis?

I really wanna see a gentrified junkrat ngl

[twin ferry]

Omg Junkrat but without the mental illness would go so hard

[cobalt kite]

Who did you play in every mission?

I played Tracer in the first, Sojourn in the second and Bastion in the third

[brisk robin]

imagine overwatch ramattra, though whod be the null sector hero

the mirrored version

[rare trail]

zen

or mondotta

[golden oak]

Ramattra is dead in mirrorwatch

[crude mesa]

brig ana or mercy lore?

[tawny drum]

anyone know how Liao died

echos creator

[opaque tundra]

She was killed in a mysterious attack. Details are pretty vague

[cobalt kite]

If you've played through mission mode, who did you play?

[grand vale]

We are looking for comp players who are decent who want to try out for the team we’re about to be in some tournaments soon so if you’re interested, hit me up

[cobalt kite]

This is the lore channel buddy

[cobalt kite]

okay, so is moira the single most evil person in the roster rn? cause every character's interactions with her are heated, even other talon members

[brisk robin]

!!lfg

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[keen summit]

still love how she picked up a mech weapon to fight

[keen summit]

depends on your morals. she is just science above all basically, she ignores morality in favor for progress

[brisk robin]

Question, where do some heroes get infinite ammo

[crude monolith]

That was a crushing victory!! Looks like we have a winner

[spare fox]

Gameplay isn't canon. Reaper doesn't have infinite shotguns, dva doesn't have infinite mechs, Junkrat isn't carrying around infinite tires

Further some ultimates aren't canon at all, while some are like, why can't the hero do that all the time? Like S76, Widow's walls, echo duplicate, etc. It's more for gameplay mechanics than story and it's a case by case basis at that

[echo monolith]

Dva is a human

And bastion is a robot

[spare fox]

Bastion is an omnic which is a specific type of robot that has sentience

[echo monolith]

I was making a random message lol

Orisa is also an omnic right

[tranquil orbit]

nope

not made in an omnium and also isnt fully sentient

michael chu did at one point describe her as an omnic back when the term was used more synonymously with "robot" and she is technically repurposed OR15

but orisa as a personality is a hyper intelligent AI more akin to echo

[peak escarp]

Orisa is an omnic because she was made from an OR15, which were made in an omnium

"omnic" has two meanings:

1. an Omnica Corporation brand robot
2. a sentient robot

Orisa is the first one but not the second

Echo is neither

[tranquil orbit]

Yh but orisa herself is no longer the or15

Theseus' ship scenario

Bastion is defo an omnic because of no1 but shes more of a grey area

[dusk granite]

whats with doomfist and ramattra together in storm rising, but doomfist put a mission to destroy a null sector ship later on

[opaque tundra]

that's called betrayal

[past copper]

Classic villain trope

Team up only leads to betrayal

Not like anyone would have expected any different between the two

[grand vale]

We are looking for comp players who are decent who want to try out for the team we’re about to be in some tournaments soon so if you’re interested, hit me up

[peak escarp]

stop spamming your message, there are proper LFG channels for that

[paper inlet]

I’ve decided Orisa and Echo got that Iris access pass

[peak escarp]

I've redone my general timeline graphic, to account for the 2 years between Winston's Recall and Ramattra's Invasion

[hidden raft]

Hear me out, dnd ow campaign

[past copper]

You’re a year too late

[keen summit]

the point also wasnt to destroy it, it was for the power core ram refused to share

[grand vale]

We are looking for comp players who are decent who want to try out for the team we’re about to be in some tournaments soon so if you’re interested, hit me up

[keen summit]

wrong place mate, id ask in ow serious

[brisk robin]

!!lfg

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[brisk robin]

Neither, they should ask in lfg channels

[keen summit]

one irk i have in the writing is how illari is trreated compared to hanzo

hanzo is very often made fun off in game, while illari has everyones sympathy basically

[rare trail]

hanzo is like way more responsible and though

but elthe thing he did isnt quite as bad

[keen summit]

ik, but its just weird to me

[flint rivet]

i mean..to be fair. hanzo's was made fun of because it was one guy who had a family dispute and there's others around who can call him out on his actions.

ilarri..perpetuaded a genocide of her people as ar as I know

[peak escarp]

Illari did it by accident, Hanzo's was premeditated (or at least he was in control of his actions)

also it wasn't her entire culture, just the warrior class

[flint rivet]

oh nice! i mean still bad but it's not a whole people like I thought before.

[loud marsh]

It's because Hanzo did it with intent and Illari's was an accident

[calm matrix]

Sigma

[merry mason]

Yeah he’s pretty cool

[hushed jetty]

the people in runasapi seem to be chill with her considering they got a banner of her posted up 😭

thats nice of them i suppose

[tranquil orbit]

I wonder if they remember it more as a tragedy since shes the last one tho

My guess is it's quite a complicated topic

Considering a lot of them wouldve had family members and whatnot

[peak escarp]

they see it as an accident and don't blame her

she's seen as the survivor of a tragedy, not the perpetrator of a massacre

her origin trailer certainly depicts it as an accident

[tranquil orbit]

It's an accident for sure however that doesn't leave someone free of consequences

It hasnt rly been elaborated on because obvs weve not seen much of illari at all

And it defo feels more self inflicted

However I'd be interested to know more if there was some more nuanced views in runasapi surely not everyone feels the same all the time

[merry mason]

You know, because she is.
I seriously don’t understand people who act like she murdered them.

[past copper]

Depends. If people experience something like that in real life, then it's a little understandable to blame someone

[dapper crypt]

hej

hello

[past copper]

But in the case of others... I chalk it up to ignorance. Blindly judging before getting the full picture

[tranquil orbit]

In the story of naruto he's shunned by almost his entire village as a child because of actions he had 0 control over

[olive condor]

.

[tranquil orbit]

Maybe this is more prevalent in "shame" based cultures but it's certainly a response some might have towards losing loved ones

We as humans tend to rationalise things but when tragedy strikes the need to find a solution becomes so strong that we sometimes lean into scapegoating

It's an interesting part of the human psychology that if u give a group of ppl an unsolvable puzzle they will still give u "solutions" theyve supposedly found

Anyways its a tangent but an interesting one nonetheless

And yh above all even tho it was an accident illari is still responsible for mending her relationship w herself, her past and the community

The last one we'll see if that materialises theres not enough concrete details yet

[spare fox]

I'm still waiting and theorizing to see if there was sabotage from an outside party involved with the accident

[gusty cloak]

What's the lore behind helix? Who made it? What do they do? And why did Pharah join them?

[peak escarp]

they're a paramilitary security organization that emerged after Overwatch was disbanded - Pharah was recruited by them because of her military record and Overwatch connection

[hushed jetty]

currently they're pretty irrelevant except they're the company acting as security for the imprisoned god ai, anubis, that started the omnic crisis

[gusty cloak]

i just saw a LW poster in survasa

why is he wanted in india

[polar garnet]

vishkar is an indian corporation iirc
and he stole a bunch of their tech like lucio did

well not stole
more like plagiarised

[grand wedge]

Using this original design and his fascination with botany, he created something new. Niran dreamed of gifting biolight to the world. Vishkar disagreed, claiming ownership of the invention. Ignoring their demands, he fled the academy with his nascent technology.

[echo monolith]

Hes wanted all around the world

[polar garnet]

L

[echo monolith]

XD

[gusty cloak]

ahh

[gusty cloak]

oh yea it is

what does vishkar do exactly? why did the forcefully take paraiso and exploit their people?

and did symm invent her light weapons for vishkar or is it the other way around?

[peak escarp]

Vishkar made the weapons and lets her use them

[gusty cloak]

ah ok

symm is brainwashed right?

cuz she thinks shes doing the right thing

i swear there was a voiceline between her and lucio about this

[grand wedge]

Nah, she was just kinda raised by Vishkar and is very loyal to them. You should read her short stories, you’ll learn a lot about her state of mind.

[gusty cloak]

stories?

[peak escarp]

Symmetra is indoctrinated to Vishkar's way of thinking

but she's started to question things

[rapid mountain]

So does Lucio know who Lifeweaver is?

[gusty cloak]

doesnt everyone

cuz hes wanted globally

[grand wedge]

Stone by stone : a short story with Symmatra meeting Zenyatta : https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/stone-by-stone/
Rebuilding ruins : a short story with Symmetra meeting with Niran : https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/rebuilding-ruins/

[opaque tundra]

I’d recommend starting with A Better World to have a better understanding of how Symmetra works for the company

[gusty cloak]

ty

[crude mesa]

junkerqueen lore?

[opaque tundra]

Family tossed out in the wasteland and barely survived, Junker Queen came back and got revenge on the Junker King and defeated him and became Junker Queen. I recommend watching The Wastelander. It’s a fun watch that tells her story much better than I can

[spare fox]

Something random I noticed while musing: we have a lot of heroes from "Potato Europe" but pretty much none from "Tomato Europe"

Idk how to classify Widow, France is half-half usually

[merry mason]

I’m gonna need an explanation for that

[paper inlet]

I think chateau Guillard is on the border of that division p much

[peak escarp]

she's from Annecy, which is pretty close to the split

but I'd say it's tomato europe

[crude monolith]

Wanna…Learn?…👅

[peak escarp]

no

[merry token]

I think we should compromise and say that she would enjoy a lovely tomato sandwich on a potato roll

[peak escarp]

enjoy is a strong word

[hearty hull]

Is mei aware of Junos parents being dead?

I know Juno is aware of the poor situations on mars, which is why she was sent back down to Earth but does anyone in Overwatch know about it besides her?

[peak escarp]

Juno's parents aren't dead

it's assumed that when she gets to Overwatch, she tells them about the situation on Mars

[merry token]

Mildly tolerate, my apologies

[peak escarp]

[hearty hull]

Ah okay!

[olive wadi]

Currently watching the chronological cinematics I’m not even halve way through and it has me breaking down in tears (I’m a male who hasn’t cried in forever

[peak escarp]

they're very emotional

[dusk moon]

bastions hurts every time

[polar garnet]

^

bastions absolutely breaks me

it’s so bittersweet and that’s more emotional than just sad

[peak escarp]

it's incredible how much emotion they conveyed without a word of dialogue

[wispy tulip]

I loved bastions too

[olive wadi]

Mei’s rise and shine gets me

[dusk moon]

real asf

[blissful bronze]

a fish solo all ow2 verse frfr

[past copper]

Bastion’s and Mei’s are great, but I rather get emotional about Reinhardt’s

I think it’s because my grandfather, rip to him, was a veteran himself

So that short hits different for me

[opaque skiff]

LFG gold 0/1 2/2 2/2

LFG gold 0/1 2/2 2/2

[polar garnet]

this is a lore channel not a lfg channel buddy

[azure flint]

is there any lore reason why were pushing payloads and stuff like valorant or is it just funny game mechanic

[opaque tundra]

I know some maps have stories behind the objectives, but as far as I know it’s just funny game mechanic

[peak escarp]

the game isn't canon

[rare trail]

it depends on the payload but mostly no

[paper inlet]

You escort some omnic VIP in Hollywood and the box with Echo in it but don’t think too much about it

[past copper]

Pretty cool collab, but if we bring honest… they didn’t even try either Torbjörn

Unless it is a thing. Idk anything about WoW 🤷‍♂️

[merry mason]

I don’t play wow either but apparently the character from the original skin turns into diamond at some point

[past copper]

Yea, just looked into it. Apparently it was over a sacrifice. Still seems lazy all the same

But I guess when you give these guys WoW of skins from the first game, you kinda hit a brick wall on a collab

[spare fox]

Well they've discovered they can make money without making any real new content so... the result is this

And again, I'm not against collabs or skins but I'm bracing myself for that being the extent of new content going forward

[past copper]

To be fair, it’s not like they had a lot to work with on this collab. They’ve already given half the heroes a WoW

Really don’t think they had something they hadn’t done already from the first game. Tho, they had new heroes they could have given collab skins to

Maybe Lifeweaver could have been Thrall 🤷‍♂️

[spare fox]

I'm not familiar enough with WoW so...

[past copper]

What the skins are based on

[gusty cloak]

They should've used that sword for the Reinhardt skin instead of recolouring another one of his skins

[peak escarp]

pretty sure it does have the sword

it's not a recolour

[past copper]

Definitely not a recolor

Technically, the Torb one is a recolor, but it’s also based on WoW lore apparently

However, I do hope they bring back these skins in the shop

Be crazy if they didn’t for this collab

Especially since these skins were only available to players who had WoW installed

[frozen terrace]

I have a major ground breaking news about tracers sister

[peak escarp]

Tracer doesn't have a sister

[frozen terrace]

She does

I talked to an employee and shi

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[frozen terrace]

Who knows the most about the lore in here

need a actual professional for a documentary I’m working on

[peak escarp]

documentary?

[frozen terrace]

Well let’s call it a project

[peak escarp]

what's it about?

[frozen terrace]

the history of overwatch

[peak escarp]

there's already a book on that

[past copper]

This is just a troll or bot account

[unreal pasture]

why isnt there a guy who uses fire

weapon should be like the dragons fury from tf2

press e for a molotov

shift for a ring of fire

[peak escarp]

Ashe has dynamite that sets people on fire

[unreal pasture]

q for flight and a perma fire ring around him for some time

also he has a jetpack because why not

and he heals from doing afterburn

[past copper]

Torb, Rein, Ashe, Mauga literally use fire abilities

[unreal pasture]

and alt fire shoots a rocket that explodes and deals afterburn

[unreal pasture]

im talking about a character built around fire

like the pyro

[past copper]

I hate to break it to you, but this game isn’t making a meta human with fire powers

[peak escarp]

also game mechanics aren't lore

[unreal pasture]

he uses a flamethrower and shit

if we can have people running around turning into smoke people with weird dragons and people with super time warping powers we should be able to have a guy who uses fire

[past copper]

Mauga literally has a gun that deals burn damage, Ashe uses dynamite, Torb’s molten core fires burning magma around the area, and Rein has fire strike

[unreal pasture]

i dont see why we cant have a character centered around fire

[past copper]

All of those things are possible because of science that exists in the OWU

[unreal pasture]

the guys backstory is that he really likes fire

so he has a flamethrower

and kills people with it

[past copper]

Because this game uses originality

[unreal pasture]

fair enough

i think my guy would be fun to play tho

pyromaniacs are overdone

[past copper]

Then put in a complaint with Blizzard and tell them to give Rein’s fire strike a burn affect like Ashe and Mauga 🤷‍♂️

Why he doesn’t is anyone’s guess

[rare trail]

pyro is so shittily designed do not put his ass in overwatch

oh offtopic mb

um ping me in another chat if you care to reply

[gusty cloak]

the kings row payload is a bomb right? but what is it blowing up? is the last point an omnic factory?

[rare trail]

its like an emp that kills(?) omnics

[gusty cloak]

oh

so the attackers are terrorists

[fallow mantle]

Junkrat used to say, as an attacker on that map, "So we're delivering a bomb to scrap some bots, and I'm getting paid for it - sounds like my kind of job!"

The last point is "The Underworld", a place where the majority of London's Omnics live.

[polar garnet]

eh not really

in places like england omnics are hated alot

so yeah you could call it an act of terrorism but the people will probably support that act

[merry mason]

Terrorism with popular support would still be terrorism…

[keen summit]

Not really, there are lots of good parts of pyro like the combos, the problem is if you focuson wm1

[rare trail]

wm1 is barely an issue compared to airblast

[keen summit]

thing is in ow2 it would be a knockback, not a deflect probs

the fun things are like flare gun burn combos

i made a hero concept based on that a whilllleee back

[rare trail]

i mean

[keen summit]

and that was just a combo character

[rare trail]

depends on the coding but if its the way it is in tf2 that would be ass

combo chars are fine but like

idk

[keen summit]

imo if youd make it like with a cd it would be a skillshot combo char

and im absolutely biased

[rare trail]

airblast is like 70% of the issue with pyro

[keen summit]

but a burn hero defo could work, thing is. DO WE WAN THAT

[rare trail]

flare gun is satisfying to hit yeah

[keen summit]

DoT isnt fun

[rare trail]

real

[keen summit]

so even if you say make the entire point keeping burns up, that isnt fun to fight

[rare trail]

i was so tempted to respond to ryuninjas thing asking where he like advocated for rein getting a dot on firestrike

like holy shit do not give firestrike the burn effect

[keen summit]

thing with that is that i find the idea fun

however

whats the use game design wise?

cuz 100 dmg is already alot so you'd need to change some stuf around. if you REALLY want fire strike to have "fire effect" make it like torb ult where it does more dmg to armor or sum

[rare trail]

the combo part of pyro of like applying a status effect and then like caching in on that is a cool idea but like pyro himself wouldnt really function in ow

[rare trail]

uhhh isnt it more than 100 dmaage

i thought it was like 125 post global health chnages

[keen summit]

exactly, axestingquisher or whatever its called is that. it does a crit, high dmg and then stops the flames

[rare trail]

erm

mini crit

but yeah

[keen summit]

yeah

thats a really cool design for sum, cleansing the effect but making it instant

[rare trail]

realll

do yk paladins at all

in that game theres a char called moji who like

[keen summit]

i do, paladins however imo is one of those games where its hard to take inspiration from for ow as they go WAYYYYY further. the kits are way crazier often

[rare trail]

yeahhh

i just mean like the basic idea of flank moji where sh elike

applies an effeect and then caches in on that

[keen summit]

yeah, and thats a fun style for an dps

it honestly surprises me that we dont really have that

in hsr you also have one that for example "detonates" dots, making the dot damage happen instantly

[rare trail]

hsr?

[keen summit]

and then you also have ones like a few in warframe, where they get other buffs from applying debuffs. hell if gyre was in ow oh god

[keen summit]

honkai star rail, turn based game. has pretty cool kit designs

[rare trail]

ohhh

hoyoverse rught