lore-discussion

[tranquil orbit]

in secrecy?

i think that might slow the process down

also it might be waiting for an opportunity we wouldnt know the specifics

[merry mason]

Well that could be what the Gwishin is

When was the “eye” watching venture? Was it in her comic?

[past copper]

Okay, but the thing is… Anubis would require another body like it’s original and the only thing that comes close are the other god programs, which have all been shut down and it’s very unlikely if it did manage to take one over that it would go completely unnoticed for so long

[past copper]

As to the omnics in the ECS and Russia, it’s more like they’re still following Anubis orders as they were preprogrammed to do. One factory was never shut down after all and the one in Russia was shut down, but suddenly and mysteriously reactivated

[merry mason]

There are lesser, regional god programs so the “body” could be smaller if it’s a less complete clone modeled after the regional ones

[merry mason]

I mean, I buy that for Russia but the Gwishin is shown to evolve after every battle implying there’s some ai involved learning and making decisions

[peak escarp]

Anubis didn't have a body

well, not a mobile body

it was housed in a supercomputer

[merry mason]

I wasn’t implying it does, that’s why I put body in quotes

[peak escarp]

why would Anubis need to make a copy of itself anyway?

[past copper]

My point exactly

Anubis isn’t shut down. It’s only “imprisoned” and monitored 24/7

At one point, it nearly came close to escaping

[tranquil orbit]

exactly because of the fact that it was imprisoned

im just thinking like surely the god Ai would have a better contingency plan

maybe thats just me having wishful thinking

[merry mason]

Maybe it increases processing power or something. I mean it regulated some on the ground command to the ravagers so there’s precedent for Anubis wanting to put some of its responsibility on to others

[tranquil orbit]

yes exactly but thats the hardware ... my thinking is that maybe it uploaded fragments of its intelligence onto the internet

[past copper]

The problem there is. You’re trying to compare Anubis to Skynet from Terminator. The difference between the two is that one had years to plan and adapt

[tranquil orbit]

a bit like ultron who also shares a lot of similarities w anubis

[peak escarp]

Anubis didn't think failure was a possibility, so I don't think it would have contingency plans

[past copper]

While Anubis jumped right into a war the moment it took control of one factory in Africa and learned from there

[tranquil orbit]

idk im still not fully convinced abt it being so certain that it would never consider anything else

[tranquil orbit]

anubis had a few years though

[merry mason]

Well you’re kind of assuming it wasn’t planning the whole time before

[analog palm]

I have been called

I must answer

Always.

[merry mason]

Hey that’s from that video!

[tranquil orbit]

the omnic crisis itself was 2 years and then thats not including the time before that

[analog palm]

I SWEAR TO GOD I NEED THE LORE

AHHHH

[merry mason]

Check pins

[analog palm]

I know but it's sad this game isn't as story driven as it was originally

[tranquil orbit]

maybe the lore ecosystem will heal

[past copper]

It’s not assuming. Anubis was growing increasingly frustrated trying to do what it was built for because humanity was making it difficult. The moment the people in charge died from a system malfunction, nobody was around to monitor the god program and it continued its directive in a more extreme way. Anubis didn’t wait years to plan, it attacked first and foremost

[tranquil orbit]

but it had 2 years in the omnic crisis even if this reasoning is correct

[peak escarp]

it's suspected that Anubis killed its supervising team

[past copper]

The thing is… 2 years was enough. Anubis was winning the war. It always located where the world leaders would hold meetings and where Overwatch was based, forcing them to always move from one location to another. It had humanity on the run and no reason to worry about contingency plans

[tranquil orbit]

i feel like we're ascribing a sense of arrogance to anubis that only a human would have ... not a god AI

[past copper]

Hence why Aurora being used to break Anubis’ control was long shot that they had to do immediately before Anubis could figure out what they were planning

[tranquil orbit]

ik the official reason is that "oh it just didnt see it coming" but surely

[peak escarp]

you assume a god program wouldn't be arrogant

[tranquil orbit]

well yes because arrogance is a human trait

it comes from pride

[peak escarp]

AI were programmed by humans

would they not have human traits?

[tranquil orbit]

yes but computers think wholly logically unless sentience is a factor

presumably these god AIs are unlike the current chat gpt models we have rn where the mark of the maker is v apparent

like how else would u conclude that the best way to solve environmental issues is to wipe out humanity

[past copper]

Anubis was highly arrogant, but arrogant or not. It knew that it was winning the war against humanity. It learned from its failures and adapted from them far too quickly for humans to continue fighting against. So of course it would become arrogant in its victory

[tranquil orbit]

it's logical but theres 0 humanity behind that decision

[tranquil orbit]

but once again this isnt something that would happen unless anubis was partially sentient

it's maybe a reason some humans might make to logic their way as to why they won

but imo i still think it's too soon to rule out the contingency plan theory

[peak escarp]

there's no evidence for it

[past copper]

Anubis doesn’t have to be sentient to be arrogant. A machine can and will always underestimate humanity due to its own superiority

And that always becomes the machine’s downfall

[tranquil orbit]

failure doesnt necessarily need to come from humanity and thats exactly why planning in the case of failure isnt out of reach imo

[tranquil orbit]

true however i was moreso posing it as some kind of explanation for the conspiracy

assuming ofc it is some form of ghost AI which also hasnt been confirmed

im rly just floating ideas im not super fixed on it either ways

[past copper]

What you’re implying is that Anubis was smart enough to plan ahead for everything. But the fact is, it wasn’t

[tranquil orbit]

not necessarily plan everything ... that would require infinite computing power which doesnt exist

but planning in case of something happening to the main hardware (its "sarcophagus") isnt too out of the question idt

it wouldnt even need to necessarily be from humanity im sure as an AI it couldve seen thousands of possibilities that would lead to such an event

it's like if the gwishin can seem to constantly evolve

why couldnt anubis do this

[past copper]

Anubis had no reason to fear losing at all though. Even when the Awakening happened, Anubis still didn’t fear losing the war, regardless of the sudden tipping point. Especially since it wasn’t shut down after the war, only contained with no way to access anything outside its confinement

[tranquil orbit]

i think the moment of the awakening is exactly when something like said contingency plans mightve been formed

[past copper]

The only exception was one incident where it almost managed to escape while taking over worker robots outside its temple, but that was quickly handled thanks to Pharah and her team

[tranquil orbit]

surely at a moment like that the possibilities of a disruption would be raised significantly

[merry mason]

Hey, if sentience removed Anubis’ control, how can it would take over omnics that are already sentient?

[peak escarp]

it learned how

but it can't do it on a mass scale or at range

[flint rivet]

that's why they keep it locke up...in egypt i think? whre pharah guarded it?

if i remembe rright

[peak escarp]

yes

[past copper]

I can totally see this collab

But Nintendo won’t make that deal sadly

[peak escarp]

does Nintendo own Sonic?

[glacial vessel]

no

[past copper]

If I remember… or is that Sony? Hmm

[glacial vessel]

it’s Sega

[past copper]

Right right forgot there for a second

Eh. Still don’t see Sega making a deal for this tho

Which is too bad. I can definitely see Sonic Tracer

Along with giving her a pose or emote eating a chilli dog

[daring thicket]

Dam

[patent trench]

I always wondered but what difference would the OW timeline be if Reinhardts master Balderich survived and joined overwatch like he's supposed to instead of Reinhardt answering the call

[gloomy gulch]

Baldrich wouldn't be a dogshit tank

[patent trench]

double hammer action

[wispy hare]

Is mauga this op in the lore too?

[rare trail]

hes like

top 5 lore wise iirc

~equal to doom

so probably worse than orisa and winston

[hushed jetty]

thats not a lore question

[silk lark]

I doubt that Balderich would answer Winston’s recall

[zenith mango]

Was mondattas relationship to zen just friends

[opaque tundra]

He was his mentor…which is a type of friendship I suppose

[hoary pond]

i dont have the ss cause my page refreshed, but there was a reddit post with a bunch of " leaked" voicelines, alot of them were sorta cool but the one that stood out to me was this

"maybe i am the monster anubis created"
i think if it is real it could be a hint at a new ramatra skin, hopoefully a ramatra mythic in next season

idk what do yall think

[spare fox]

That'd be cool

Here's hoping for a season with plenty of lore

[echo isle]

Don’t people say the next season is a mega season

[past copper]

Who knows. It kinda becomes a pattern. Always one bad season then a good one followed by another bad one, depending on how people feel em

Last season was dope, but this was pretty weak. So maybe season 12 can make up for it

[echo isle]

I heard someone say that the last mega season was season 6

Maybe that’s the pattern

We’re getting a new hero, map and if the Egyptian mythology season is next season, it’s kinda what Ventures adventures have been building towards I think

[keen summit]

Interested, but it could also just be a ram line in general as he hates anubis but im hoping

[past copper]

I mean, maybe… but the name New Frontiers doesn’t exactly confirm anything

But considering there is a new map coming, potentially Temple of Anubis revamped, then it’s a possibility. Otherwise it’s wasted potential

It’s supposed to be a tank getting mythic next, so I’m betting my chips on Ramattra if it’s Egyptian mythology

Personally, Anubis Ram would be cool. Bc it would be a reference to the god program that built him

[echo isle]

Yeah, but I don’t see a lot of customisation available for that

[keen summit]

Theme of it doesnt matter for lore

[keen summit]

Alternatives could be ra-mmattra too for alt heads and a pharaoh thing + origibal concept art all being egyptian and lastly that hes seemingly taking loose inspiration from moses, who was Egyptian

[echo isle]

Ventures adventures has been building up to something about Talon doing something to do with digging up artifacts, I feel that would be more in line with next season

[keen summit]

I hope so

[echo isle]

I agree, Moses kinda fits ramattra more than Anubis, even with the lore connection

[keen summit]

His general theming and story + design is a corrupted moses motif it seems

[echo isle]

Corrupted? I think if Blizzard didn’t cancel PVE we might have gotten some 10 plagues esk missions

[keen summit]

Guided by a "god" in this case iris, herders staff, a cloak, long hair, freeing his people from oppression, even his origin story has a parting at the end

[keen summit]

No as in, a evil version

[echo isle]

Oh Yh

[keen summit]

Theyre not doing a moses skin, cuz his design is actually kinda inspired already it seems

[echo isle]

Yeah, wandering monk seems to already be pretty much there

Also do you think they’re doing a mythic weapon this season

[past copper]

I highly doubt we’d see anything religious. This game has made a point to not use religion

And given certain… events… probably wise to not use any religion right now. Period

So I would not get any hopes in mind for a Moses themed skin for Ram

[keen summit]

Im saying only that hes based on mosesit seend

As inspiration

[past copper]

Yes. But take my word for it, inspiration or not, it would not go over well with who knows how much of the player base

I’m just saying

[keen summit]

I know

[keen summit]

However, asian myth had actual japanese believes

Im just saying tho, ram seemingly is based on moses, a skin would suck tho cuz like, its like making a miko skin for kiriko

[past copper]

Regardless, I’m sure they’d do something like maybe either Pharaoh or Anubis customizations for Ram

And considering we have a hint for whatever is coming in October, they could make him a mummified pharaoh?

Or mummified priest. It be cool, bc I feel that would be a fun reference to The Mummy Imhotep

But whatever. We will find out in a few days

[keen summit]

Wouldnt witches fit October better

[past copper]

That’s what I meant. October is witch themed

While these next season could be Egyptian themed

Although, that said, removing what I said bout good and bad seasons as a pattern

Bet dollars to donuts Mercy and Kiriko get recolored witch skins. Possibly Life Weaver too since he had that skin from the magical fantasy season

[echo isle]

We got a teaser for the next season with a photo of its logo

It’s called new frontiers

And it has kinda like a Disneyland Tomorrowland sorta font

Definitely a reference to Juno

Still could possibly ancient Egypt because season 10 called venture forth also wasn’t completely venture based

[tranquil orbit]

Im starting to think if it is indeed on theme then maybe it's that 60s retro future vibe

It's close enough to juno's design and weve already seen a couple of sneak peaks w echo and orisa

But tbh i hope it's Egypt

[tranquil orbit]

Tbf i wouldn't rule it out ... the shambali are heavily inspired on Buddhist monks w zenyatta even using the same colour scheme as the dalai lama

I realise this is the kind of thing americans wouldnt care abt but religious imagery esp as a form of inspiration defo isnt off the cards

Sunyata is even a concept found in Buddhism

[keen summit]

I foubt it is, cuz as said earlier venture forth was mirrorwatcg

[tranquil orbit]

Yh i think so asw it's more likely to be unrelated

But IF it somehow was

[echo isle]

For some reason abrahamic religions tend to be more controversial

But Moses has become such a famous icon even outside of religion I think they could maybe get away with it

[tranquil orbit]

I think if it's just inspiration like zenyatta and the rest of the shambali then it'd be absolutely ok

[echo isle]

But I think Lifeweaver is 100% based on Siddharta Buddha, like I feel it totally mirrors his upbringing

And a lot of symbols like lotuses, fawn and the (Bodhi) tree

[merry mason]

Because the player base is mostly familiar with them probably. Iirc the Indian players were offended by a sym skin that depicted a Hindu goddess

People in the west see Buddhism,Hinduism etc. as some exotic thing and don’t see whatever baggage a native practitioner may have. Also there’s a big difference between inspiration and a 1:1 reference

[shy dagger]

Lore wise, who’s smarter, Moira or Mercy?

I personally think it’s Mercy cause of the fact that she can consistently pump out healing from her staff using a formula that she herself created. Moira could also do that, but hers seems inferior to Mercy’s due to the fact she has to charge it constantly. You don’t see mercy having to “charge” every now and then which means her formula is consistent

I know gameplay doesn’t reflect lore and vice versa, but I think it’s fun to theorize things that happen in lore via what we see in game

[loud marsh]

They're equally intelligent and work entirely different fields

Mercy uses a formula that does the work for her. Moira's body itself can regenerate and damage other people because she altered her own genes to do this. Ziegler is a doctor in the medicine field, Moira is a doctor in the genetics field. They're both extremely skilled at their jobs, but work so different that also in their lore, they don't like each other

[keen summit]

Also it is implied that moira uses the same stuff as mercy, i call mercy smarter cuz she created the healing stuff in her teens

[edgy parcel]

need someone to make it 5 stack plat level eu pc

[polar garnet]

nah i dont think so

the different stuff i mean

mercy uses nanobiotics

and iirc moira directly repairs the cells through genetics

its really unrealistic so it doesnt go into detail

[keen summit]

No she doesnt

She has outright said its not nanotech

[polar garnet]

not nanotech
nanobiotics
its diff

lemme find where i got it from

[keen summit]

My reasoning of theorising as such is that they work at similair styles, one discomposes at the base level, while the other recomposes

[shy dagger]

She doesn’t. Her staff produces energy that enhances the body’s recovery system by a ton

[keen summit]

And we see her change it, also ana seems to use the same, which then would make sense if both were in overwarch

[shy dagger]

I remember that Ana actually stole Mercy’s formal and used it to make her bullets

[keen summit]

She didnt

From what we know

The weapon she uses was a prototype, that mercy despised

[shy dagger]

There was an interaction between them in ow1 that said exactly that

[keen summit]

Ah then forgot bout that, but i also believe it fits moira alot to basterdize existing tech cuz its how real progress hapoens too

And makes their mutual hatred feel even more interesting

[shy dagger]

True

[polar garnet]

She nodded and watched on with amazement as her wounds knit closed. “It’s
like magic,” she said.
“Science,” I said with a smile. “Much better than magic. Have you ever heard of nanobiotics?”
“Is it like... little machines?” She made a little motion like there was a cloud
of flies.
“Not quite,” I said, feeling the momentary pang of disappointment that a
technology that could have revolutionized healing around the world was basically
unknown to most. But there were more important things. “I’ll explain it to you. But
first we need to go to safety.”

from mercy's novella, which is canon

[shy dagger]

That’s why I would say Mercy is smarter. Moira just adopted what Angela already made and just made it fit into her body via genetics.

[keen summit]

Ah yea, but what says moira isbt using the same

Cuz at the end of the day its healing and breaking down organic tissue

Moiras decay does the opposite

[keen summit]

Moira is also very smart, its more that she did it all later

Mercy developed her tech in her teens

Moira even if she did it on her own seems to be around 25

Not super young thats for sure

[shy dagger]

Yeah I would say they’re both pretty gifted but mercy takes the cake for being smarter

[keen summit]

But, imo lw is even smarter

Brother created organic material from hardlight

[shy dagger]

Idk about that since I haven’t read his lore

[shy dagger]

But yeah even mercy seems to be impressed by it via one of their interactions together. Though I would only argue that he’s as smart as her, maybe more but idk

[keen summit]

He can create organic life out of artificial light

Thats VERY impressive

[shy dagger]

True

[keen summit]

And id argue more so than mercys

[shy dagger]

Tho if we wanna compare his intelligence to mercy’s then we have to consider his age at that time like we did with Moira

[keen summit]

Thats the tough part

We got 0 clue

[shy dagger]

Dam really

[keen summit]

He was in the academy still

But we dont know how longhe was

[shy dagger]

What’s his current age?

Maybe we can subtract it by like 5 years as a close approximation

[keen summit]

31, so then also around 26

Maybe the lw experts can tell me bout what was said in the short story

[shy dagger]

All I remember from it was him holding out his hand to a deer and that’s it

I gotta rewatch the shorts they’re so good

[keen summit]

No i dont mean that

I meant from uhhh

One sec

Rebuilding ruins

Im reading it through

O!

Eleven years

So he was 20 when he made it

[shy dagger]

Hm

[keen summit]

Roughly 3 years difference from when mercy joined overwatch

[shy dagger]

Well he did base it off or perhaps was building off of hard light which was already in use

He like made a variation of it

Mercy made her thing from scratch

Still I would argue at most they’re roughly the same intelligence

[keen summit]

Still though, organic material from light

[shy dagger]

(Tho that’s probably cause I’m a bit biased towards mercy lol)

[shy dagger]

Yeah

[keen summit]

And the line mercy says implies there wasresearch before too

[shy dagger]

What line

[keen summit]

As she says "ever heard of nanobiotics"

So that means that someone COULD know about ut

But ngl, practically all heroes are smart

VERY few are average or below average

[shy dagger]

Hmm, not entirely. Even she says that it’s an obscure thing so idk if that implies much

[keen summit]

I mean its obscure, but it means there was some research, just not on her level

[shy dagger]

Yeah but we’re talking geniuses level. Like scientists

[keen summit]

Winston

Too

[shy dagger]

Yeah but idk how to throw him into the mix

He’s a genetically modified gorilla

[keen summit]

Chronal accelerator

Sigma is also there but yknow

How much he keeps we dont know

I also hate how much peoplr glaze rams intellect and power, when we have nothing to imply either

Ran is quite smart but not some genius

Nor is he ever shown super strong

[shy dagger]

He’s a good leader and commander which does take intelligence, just in a different field

[keen summit]

Ik, but so are many others

And evsn then

Ram has shown being a faulty leader too

Aka when everyone left him

[shy dagger]

Let’s be honest. She should at least make him a bit smarter than other characters. Cause, y’know, he’s supposed to be the main threat

[keen summit]

Ngl i disagree

And this is from a ram fan

His thing is his overwhelming numbers and offensive

• that hes hard to find

Hes a good strategist like all commanders, but the thing is he doesnt need to lead as all his underlings are drones

[shy dagger]

Hmm

[shy dagger]

Well yeah that’s what I said. They should make him smarter and an actual threat

[keen summit]

Thing is he already is

Cuz he has endless numbers

Its like fighting an ant colony, its endless offense

Hes attacking everywhere and the threat is already there

And hes not the main threat either

Doom still is

[shy dagger]

I guess so

[keen summit]

Cuz well, ram can be reasoned with if omnics get equaloty

Ram would sell doom out in a heartbeat to help omnics

Same for the other

[shy dagger]

Doom is more of a cartoonish villain and I like it

[keen summit]

Hes really not

His motovation makes sense + fit the theme

The most cartoonish is honestly reaper

Cuz reaper is legit just angry revenge grrrr

Doom has a goal for a better future in his eyes

And a better future is overwatchs thene

[shy dagger]

Reaper is just the scorpion of this franchise

He’s just pissed and fights while he’s pissed and just overall pissed

[keen summit]

Thing is, it also fits as a mirror to the theme

Reaper is stuck in the past so shown as bad

The evil characters generally are about being either stuck in the past, wanting a future through bad means or by not caring

[shy dagger]

Interesting, I guess, by that sense, the theme also correlates with Ana who’s shown to let go of her past mistakes and faults and learn to keep moving

[keen summit]

Yeah, soldier is also stuck in the past and is shown as grey

Most others foght for a better future while accepting the past

[shy dagger]

And with solider who’s semi stuck in the past and wants revenge but also still kinda cares for people

[keen summit]

Soldiers thing is that he believes his future is gone

[shy dagger]

Oh really?

[keen summit]

Kinda

Its his theming

He wanted to be a hero to the people

But now his org got shunned, he is dead and he gave up everything else for that future that he cant achieve

Soldier is actually very depressing

[shy dagger]

Yeah

[keen summit]

Imagine throwing away your life, your love, etc for a job for a better future, just to have others fuck it up for you and then have your org shunned

[shy dagger]

Dude just can’t move on and stuck between taking revenge and doing it for the sake of good

[keen summit]

However ngl kinsa hot take, i love having someone like venture for once

Not every hero needs super tragic stories, why? They honestly get stale

[shy dagger]

Yeah it’s a fresh breath of air in the midst of all of this

[keen summit]

Fir example

[shy dagger]

True, and Overwatch gets its charm from its variety of characters that all gave distant abilities, lores, personalities, etc

[keen summit]

We had legit 6 tragic knes for ow2 back to back to back

[shy dagger]

That’s how I see it at least

[keen summit]

Jq ram mauga illari lw kiriko and soj all had quite tragic pasts

Venture was finally one who just, enjoys what they do while fitting into the story by finding Anubis

[shy dagger]

I wouldn’t call Kiriko’s story entirely sad

[keen summit]

Sometimes you just need, a person. Cuz it gets predictable afterca while

[shy dagger]

Or tragic

[keen summit]

I would, though its easy to forget. Her dad got kidnapped,she believed she lost a childhood friend cuz his brother killed him

The thing is that they dont show the impact at all

[shy dagger]

Oh true XD.

[keen summit]

She NEVER touched on it in any main media

She has a tragic past but its done so badly that you forget

Legit im hard pressed to call any not tragic in sone way except for venturr

Mercy ig

She just worked well and got into overwatch

[shy dagger]

And that’s a question I’m having. Should they? I mean she never shows remorse for her lost dad that I completely forgot about it. Maybe at least show her at a shrine paying respects to him as a little moment

[shy dagger]

Her parents died in an airtsike during the Omnic crisis and she was raised an orphan..

[keen summit]

My point exactly, she never adresses welk her kidnapped maybe dead father

[keen summit]

Ah forgit

Doom tbf isnt tragic either

[shy dagger]

He lost his arm which resulted in him abandoning the sport he used to love the most

His gauntlet isn’t just a weapon

That’s his other arm cause he lost it

[keen summit]

I know

Its more that he instabtly got it replaced

Cuz hid parents, and only stoped cuz the competition wasnt good enough

Or well

There were no challenges

But yeah still tragic ig

Then honestky i got nothing

[shy dagger]

Juno seems to have a non tragic story

[keen summit]

Like you try to think of the happy ones like mei, well no, lucio, also no, tracer, absolutely tragic

[shy dagger]

That is if her mom wasn’t one of those frozen in Mei’s crew

[keen summit]

Maybe, so far it does seem she just wants to explore, but it could be she felt super SUPER sheltered

[keen summit]

Doesnt make sense timeline wise

Shes likely born on mars

[shy dagger]

I’m talking hypothetically cause we don’t know yet

[keen summit]

Well its verrrry likely she was born on mars

Cuz she knows practically nothing of earth

[shy dagger]

Orisa has a non tragic story

There

Her story is actually kinda sweet

[keen summit]

Except efi does, and efi is her backstory

[keen summit]

Needing to choose between a hostage family member of efi or chasing the one shesmeant to defeat is also quite sad

[shy dagger]

I know they’re heavily connected but they’re still different characters

[shy dagger]

Oh I never heard of that

[keen summit]

• her at first almost letting people die

[keen summit]

Yeah novel hero of numbani

She before she had compassion modules almost let a group of people die for her mission

Later doom was cornered and used efis cousin as a hostage, who is part of talon

[shy dagger]

It’s a difficult decision. It’s not the same franchise but Optimus prime also let some of his men die sometimes

Well, can’t think of anyone else without a tragic backstory

Venture seems to be the only one

For now

[keen summit]

Yea

Space ranger will likely be kinda tragic ngl

Just cuz

Imagine being born on mars and knowing nothing of well, earth basically

Only knowing from books

But its very unlikely her mom was one if those as its implied to be jiachi or ehat her name was

[rare trail]

uhhh not really

the doomfist gauntlet isnt his arm

he has a cybernetic arm apart from the gauntlet

[peak escarp]

Orisa has a non tragic story??

that's her, pummeled into the wall of Numbani airport by Doomfist

(Efi bought that OR15 and turned it into Orisa)

[shy dagger]

Yeah but this was before it became orisa

[peak escarp]

it's still part of her origin story

[polar garnet]

i mean that begs the question

does orisa have any memories before her retrofit

[peak escarp]

she has a voice line saying she remembers being defeated by Doomfist at the airport

[past copper]

Yes. Not to mention Orisa has become so much smarter now too

No doubt she’s got her memories together almost like an Awakened omnic now

[spare fox]

Both Orisa and Echo make me wonder if the story will eventually touch upon another Awakening type event

Or solving how it happened

[tranquil orbit]

I think echo might become the first AI to gain sentience somehow post awakening

It'd make sense considering she was liao's final work

[loud marsh]

She's already sentient , same as Orisa

[past copper]

They’re not sentient

Their personalities are programmed by Mina and Efi respectively, but they’re also meant to learn and grow

[polar garnet]

wasn’t the whole point of the awakening was all omnics becoming sentient?

[peak escarp]

only the omnics who were alive at the time

both Echo and Orisa were built after the Awakening

[tranquil orbit]

Yh echo is basically a mix of all the personalities she interacts w up until a certain point

Primarily this is liao but she also has a bit of cassidy in her

[scenic parcel]

Does dva have anything tragic?

[tranquil orbit]

I mean she's in the military at an incredibly young age

It's not rly tragic per say but it's rough and shes indicated to he overworked

Although she seems to think she can cope w the pressure

[scenic parcel]

She's also a celebrity

[tranquil orbit]

This asw

[shy dagger]

Well according to the cinematic short, we saw a brief instance of her getting like ptsd from one mission.

Idk if that’s actually tragic or not tho

[scenic parcel]

True

[tranquil orbit]

It's defo not ideal for sure

[scenic parcel]

There's tragic and trauma

[tranquil orbit]

Thing is tho you'd be hard stuck to find a single hero story that doesnt involve some level of hardship

[shy dagger]

But she is a young hero and is the best fighter Korea has so that must be putting so much pressure on her

[scenic parcel]

I'd say they're different

[tranquil orbit]

Maybe but still the point stands

It's often through tragedy that we as humans grow to become to fullest potential of ourselves

So it's natural to see a lot of hero stories that involve tragic backstories

Or big bumps in the road

[scenic parcel]

Some characters have pressure to achieve things like dva and ashe

You can kinda split up the characters into a few sections with some overlapping

[tranquil orbit]

In the case of ashe her tragic story is a massive lack of affection from her parents

[tranquil orbit]

Yh for sure

Theres also the q as to whether said tragedy can be boiled down to a "single event" or not

[scenic parcel]

True

[tranquil orbit]

On one hand u have tracer's accident, illari's accident, sigma' accident, winston in the HLC accident

On the other u have ones like ashe, dva, cassidy which tend to be more drawn out over time

Then u also have characters like reaper and soldier 76 who make it even more complicated because theyre characters who have been around for so long theyve gone through multiple iteratjons

[scenic parcel]

And you get the slower consequences of war for rein and torb that have seen many friends die over the years

[peak escarp]

19-21 isnt that young for the military

Sojourn and Soldier both enlisted at 18

Brigitte is the only hero without any hardship or personal tragedy

[tranquil orbit]

It is their brains havent even fully developed

All of them were young

At 18-19

[peak escarp]

I'm just saying, enlistment at that age is normal

[tranquil orbit]

It is but it doesnt stop it being v young

[peak escarp]

whether it's a good thing or not

[tranquil orbit]

I understand where youre coming from in terms of the average

[peak escarp]

"very young" would be like 14-16

[tranquil orbit]

But from the pov of mental trauma

It's extremely young and without the mental maturity to rly process much

For evidence on this just reference your average 1st year uni student 😭

[tranquil orbit]

This just becomes child soldiers innit

[tranquil orbit]

Yet***

Shes practically just started and if sojourn is right in that she's gonna be primed for a future leadership role

I doubt she gets to that position unscathed

[polar garnet]

man i will never let dva lead something

ingame OR in lore

[tranquil orbit]

i mean tbf she doesnt even currently lead the meka squad

but i think it's moreso the character qualities

cassidy said shes a lot more like him when he was younger and i think that says quite a lot

[obtuse gorge]

Baptiste would never be removed from the lore right?

[peak escarp]

they would never remove any hero from the lore

[obtuse gorge]

Ok good thank you

[polar garnet]

unfortunately (to hell with hanzo)

[polar garnet]

why do you ask

[obtuse gorge]

Was just making sure they’d never make any rash decisions like removing the #1 support hero in the lore

[spare fox]

lol although this might be outdated at this point (it was papa Jeff who said it years and years ago at this point):

If a character ever dies in the lore, they'll still be playable in-game

And I suspect that even IF a character dies in lore that it's not the last we'll see of them in the lore due to flashbacks and stories that take place in the past

Look at Mondatta or Gerard or Dr Liao (I know theyre not heroes but..)

I'm bored I might make a tier list of likelihood of heroes to die in lore

But I doubt Baptiste is a likely candidate for death, imo he's probably among the safest

[polar garnet]

tbf talon want him badly since he’s a defector

and although they would prefer capture widow did say she just wanted to kill him

[spare fox]

You're not wrong, he is in a lot of danger absolutely. However I am more talking from a meta, story structure and character development standpoint

[polar garnet]

ah

ok

[ionic plume]

Rein finna die of old age soon 💀

[polar garnet]

what

😭

he’s only 61

and ana + sigma are both older

[ionic plume]

Nah sigmas never die and ana will probably just fall down the stairs or smth

[echo isle]

Mercy res?

[rare trail]

?

[echo isle]

Like I don’t think realistically anyone would die of old age before the age of 120, I mean most scientists estimate people born this year might have an average lifespan of around 120, and Reinhardt would be born in 2013 or so

[valid kernel]

Hi!

mADa MaDA

[ionic plume]

Mada mada moment

[valid kernel]

Lol

Plz dont laugh but im a Genji main

[polar garnet]

Tbh if mercy rez was in lore we would defo know about it

[hushed jetty]

mercy rez in lore is the thing she does to mei in zero hour

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-heal-mei-overwatch2-gif-15516146

CURSES i forgot im not a regular anymore

[smoky tendon]

erm actually she heals mei

you fool

[hushed jetty]

thank you doc

[polar garnet]

goofy aah heal

guess the staff just

died

[peak escarp]

that's what res is

it's fully healing someone when they're incapacitated

it uses the same visuals and voice line as in the game

[smoky tendon]

clearly mei wasn't dead yet

so it's not a rez

[hushed jetty]

not a literal rez

its more of a "revive" the way you do in pve

mei was downed, mercy healed her so she could get back up

[smoky tendon]

so it's not a resurrect

[past copper]

Hate to break it to you, but Mercy can’t bring anyone back from the dead

You’re either able to be saved or you’re dead. Mercy can only do so much realistically

Her rez is really just her tech basically being able to close up wounds and injuries in seconds or minutes to a degree anyway

[grand wedge]

PvP gameplay isn’t canon to the lore.

[polar garnet]

well that’s no surprise

sojourn killing reinhardt in a a theme park 17 times over will make a fun story

[opaque talon]

is rez canon?

[past copper]

Yes. We already covered this in the conversation just above

[smoky tendon]

you're all very stupid tbh

[rare trail]

TRUE

[twilit patrol]

That's kind

[rare trail]

i have no idea why people insist on calling what she does to mei in zero hour res it just makes everything more confusing

like is it ever referred to as res in any piece of lore

why do people call it that

[desert yacht]

bc it gives someone who is incapacitated and unable fight a quick burst of healing energy to get them back into fighting condition

resurrecting someone form the dead is explicitly not canon

now this is in no way canonically rez but it isn't a bad theory

there is at least a solid basis

[worthy rose]

chat

soldier 76 has a gun

[desert yacht]

it has pretty much as many parallels as you can get with in game rez while remaining reasonable

[obsidian bluff]

Proof?

[rare trail]

idk

[polar garnet]

pulse rifle*

get your facts right smh

[rare trail]

it seems like

[worthy rose]

i sent you it

[rare trail]

exceedingly confusing for no reason

like call it anything else

[obsidian bluff]

Well I've been proven wrong

[polar garnet]

ngl if shit like pulse rifles and energy weapons exist why do people like mccree and widow still use guns

they seem old fashioned atp

[rare trail]

does soldiers gun not fire bullets?

[polar garnet]

no

[rare trail]

i mean cassidy like

is old fashioned

[polar garnet]

goofy aah energy rifle

fair

[obsidian bluff]

Lucio is simultaneously my favorite and least favorite support

[polar garnet]

go on

[worthy rose]

it took really long for me to find this out

a lot of datamining and unused voicelines

[obsidian bluff]

Well thanks for the work

[worthy rose]

anything to further the lore discussion

[polar garnet]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgghhhhh

hm

[rare trail]

uhh

[polar garnet]

thinking of questions to spike up tasty conversation

[rare trail]

for widow maybe theres like a range issue

soldier isnt really known for his range

[polar garnet]

fair

[worthy rose]

mwt

[polar garnet]

?

[worthy rose]

me when the

when the when the

[polar garnet]

o

[worthy rose]

when the when the when the when the

BARS

[polar garnet]

you’re baked

[polar garnet]

YES

OK

WAIT

[worthy rose]

im hitting it though lowkey

[polar garnet]

LEMME

FIND

[desert yacht]

it isn't explicitly resurrect

it's just imo basically the lore equivalent

so for all intents and purposes it's 'rez'

[rare trail]

yeah the people who i think shouldnt call it that are the people like in this channel, its confusing for new people imo

[desert yacht]

i don't think it's that big of a deal

[rare trail]

literally like a few messages ago today someone was confused abt it

ive seen tons of people be confused about it

[desert yacht]

the only person i saw 'confused' was someone obviously trying to be difficult and arguing in poor faith

and half the point of this channel is to clarify things like this

it's discussion about the lore

[past copper]

Literally the only people who get confused are people who think the PvP of the game and every ability itself is absolutely canon

[rare trail]

its very easy to make it a thing that doesnt need clarification if you just dont call it the name of a non canon in game ability

[desert yacht]

yeah but what else would we call it

when it's almost explicitly intended to be the equivalent of an existing ability

[worthy rose]

imo rez's are healing people up from disabling injury and the souls thing is censorship to prevent hurt bodies from being in the game

[desert yacht]

rez is the best name we have for it even if it isn't explicitly a resurrect

[past copper]

If people get confused because they can’t differentiate between game and lore, then that’s a personal problem that people have helped with here

[worthy rose]

gameplay and lore are intrinsically linked in the fact that lore inspires gameplay

[desert yacht]

it resurrects their ability to contribute to the fight

[worthy rose]

exactamunde

[past copper]

What else would you call it then? Mercy can’t bring back the dead and literally using her hand to get her team back in the fight

[worthy rose]

could be nano tech?

stemming from a hand gesture?

but i could be wrong

i don't know much about the lore

me when the, when the when the, when the when the when the when the

[red iris]

can anyone explain to me how and why echo exists. i think i saw before that shes like somebodies conscience or something. however i dont know much about the lore of it etc

[red iris]

cassidy also has a voice line saying to hanzo that he refuses to use pulse rifles etc

[timber moss]

im pretty sure ramattra mythic skin is lore accurate

[fallow mantle]

she was designed by dr mina liao, aka the lady that was part of omnica corp, and created aurora and the omnics. i'd recommend watching Echo's Origin Story trailer, as well as reading the Mina Liao Project Echo Transcripts on the overwatch website - gives you an insight. basically - liao wanted to do another aurora, but there were a lot more restrictions put in place

and her lore page on the site

[red iris]

good enough for me, too lazy to read the rest

thanks

[fallow mantle]

np!

she learns via observation so she has the same voice n stuff

[polar garnet]

finally

i am free

i just got a 1 hour timeout for posting a marked down message

i tried to send it again w/o markdown when the mute was lifted

then i got another 1 hour because of spamming

[polar garnet]

anyways

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cjhn-qGegO63UllWKgMmkLdvQfpCubUMf7d4c34Rn2U/edit

boom

i made this a while back

he may be too op may not be

idk

you guys are the experts so

rate

plz

lol

[hushed jetty]

this wouldnt really go here since its not really related to lore

but the one thing i'll say is. why is he 16
every omnic was built either before or during the omnic crisis, which started 28 years prior to the current day
echo and orisa are exceptions only because they quite literally Aren't Omnics; they were neither built by omnica/anubis and are not sentient since they were built after the awakening

youd be better off making your character in their late 20s-early 30s unless you have a very good reason

[polar garnet]

alr

[zinc reef]

Reinheart is 12 right now

[echo isle]

We got 6 more years to techno polka

[worldly lichen]

The best band of the 2030s!

[rare trail]

ummm its like

we dont relaly know the exact year ow takes place

[spare fox]

Iirc they have it narrowed down to either one of two different years that are 4 years apart

Based on what was said at the announcement of OW1

And Junkrat's birthday

Idk, me personally I don't really care or think it matters exactly which years events happen

Rather it's more important the amount of time that lapses between events

[flint rivet]

It's obviously "some time in the future" given technology advances. If they put a date it will eventually get caught up to. Which is also fine. The only quibbling is when the history runs too long for characters to realistically be alive but..eh could always say future tech keeps people alive longer.

[polar garnet]

i heard something about 2077 for ow1

and apparently ow2 is set 2 years after

so 2079 maybe??

[worthy rose]

If you think about it, if sigma regained his memories he'll basically be a huge complete threat that even overwatch nor talon can stop him if he was too go Berserk

And the only person who has a small chance at stopping him is only sombra

[umbral linden]

Did sigma lose his memory? I thought he was just being manipulated by talon or something

[peak escarp]

he didn't lose his memory

he's just out of it half the time

and he doesn't have full control over his powers

[true nacelle]

Does anyone know here maybe, when did cass lose his arm? Was it during the deadloxk thing with ashe? Idrrr

[peak escarp]

he lost it some time after Overwatch was forced to disband

we don't know the story yet

[true nacelle]

Ahhh

[fathom briar]

we do tho bob ripped it off

[tranquil orbit]

nah altho ik the line you're talking abt

[fathom briar]

yeah

[tranquil orbit]

"I'm gonna rebuild BOB and I'm gonna have him rip off your other arm!"

thing is tho is that this is more likely just a snide comment made by ashe that acknowledges the fact that cassidy has 1 arm

rather than explicit confirmation that he (BOB) did it

[fathom briar]

that is pretty specific for a 'snide' comment

[tranquil orbit]

not rly because it still makes sense even if BOB didnt do it

it could be that ashe knows how cass lost his arm tho

[fathom briar]

true but a lot of stuff points to bob ripping it off

[tranquil orbit]

idk i think cassidy seems too friendly towards BOB for someone that supposedly mightve done that to him

he even says sorry to him when he has his head off

[fathom briar]

well bob just follows orders

he is a butler omnic

[tranquil orbit]

regardless of that i think it'd be natural human trauma response to have some sort of reaction

[fathom briar]

absolutely

[tranquil orbit]

same way the weather doesnt necessarily have any malicious intent but you'd still react badly to something if u were caught in a natural disaster in the past

[fathom briar]

but either option is fine

its human nature to have to blame something

[tranquil orbit]

yh it's part of survival instincts

comes down to the basic "ate berries felt sick, stay away from poison berries"

thats a heavily simplified version of what happens in the mind

[fathom briar]

yep

[spare fox]

BOB did not rip off Cassidy's arm

We don't know how he lost it but that's not what happened

[paper inlet]

Wow is Orisa really not sapient?

[hushed jetty]

no

her personality is determined by a chip that efi put in there i think

[merry mason]

But she feels jealousy

Why would she have emotions without sentience

[past copper]

Because Efi rebuilt and reprogrammed Orisa to be the hero Numbani needed

Instead of the cold unfeeling robot she was before

The OR-15s did more harm then good when Doomfist attacked. Uncaring towards civilian casualties as long as they did what they were built for

[merry mason]

But the omniscient third person narrator tells us that orisa feels jealous of the junies in her short story so that would mean orisa genuinely felt those emotions. In what world is a thinking feeling being not sentient?

[peak escarp]

because the lore says so

Efi programmed her to imitate those feelings

[past copper]

Efi programmed her to have a heart. Orisa wouldn't have much of a heart and be a hero if she didn't feel emotions

[keen summit]

which we saw at first as she almost let civvies die

cuz well, she didnt have in the words of efi her "compassion module" installed

[past copper]

I'm aware. Not the guy to tell that too since I'm not asking bout her emotions

[keen summit]

i was just further elaborating on ur point

sorry for the mention. but yknow i did say "which" which is to elaborate further

[past copper]

Sorry. But you right all the same

[keen summit]

no worries mate

[rare trail]

bob he couldnt have

the timeline doesnt match up

cassidy left the deadlock gang after being arrested and he joined blackwatch, he only lost his arm post blackwatch

and in reunion he doesnt have his arm, he wouldnt have seen bob during the time when he lost it

[merry mason]

What does the lore say about sentience?

[peak escarp]

it says that Orisa and Echo aren't sentient

[spare fox]

And other than that, there's no real definition given other than they (awakened omnics) seem different after getting sentience

It's vague

[peak escarp]

also they use "sentient" but mean "sapient"

all living things are sentient; only beings capable of rational independent thought and self awareness are sapient

[spare fox]

I like to think of it as Orisa and Echo are aware of their programming and act according to their programming even though they're aware of said programming

[peak escarp]

which so far is only humans, but an argument can be made for cetaceans and great apes, and in the Overwatch context, Awakened Omnics

[spare fox]

Whereas omnics can just freely choose what they do, have actual preferences and self-reflection, for lack of a better term

[peak escarp]

Declassified mentions that Winston had to undergo testing to prove his sapience and be declared a Person

[spare fox]

I was just going to mention Winston in Declassified getting personhood

Lol

[golden oak]

Is Numbani a city or a country

[hollow dove]

hosting comp we have 2 support 1 dps dm me 3/5

hosting comp we have 2 support 1 dps dm me 3/5

[rare trail]

i believe its a city in nigeria

[tranquil orbit]

City state i believe

It's outside of nigeria and seems to function as an autonomous region

I like to think of it a bit like singapore or monaco

[hushed jetty]

it has a flag so i imagine its closer to a country

but yeah i guess city state

[echo isle]

There’s apparently some leaked images from the xbox website from the new season

It’s confirmed to be Egyptian

But the mythic skin isn’t ramattra, it’s reaper

[peak escarp]

that's speculation

[smoky tendon]

xbox leaked some skins from s12

for some reason

[echo isle]

Not really, it’s pretty much news

[peak escarp]

it hasn't been confirmed who gets the mythic

[echo isle]

I have the images I just can’t send them

[peak escarp]

it's only speculated

[echo isle]

The Xbox website leaked it

[peak escarp]

they leaked an image

[echo isle]

Ok

[echo isle]

Yeah

[past copper]

I mean, I would not be surprised if Reaper was getting the mythic as Anubis

But still stand by Ram getting it would be more ironic

[peak escarp]

bit wierd that they're doing a 5th damage hero before a 4th tank

[past copper]

I think they’re trying a new pattern

Instead of what they were doing before, now they’re doing two of the same role

[peak escarp]

could have at least finished the cycle first

tank players are already mad

[past copper]

Well, it could also be that tanks don’t get much love. Even despite the recent health rework

Idk. It could just be Anubis Reaper was always the plan, but if that was the case, then maybe the Egyptian event could’ve waited or something

Regardless, the images look pretty good, but I can’t say the same for anything else yet

However, I do hope Venture finally gets a themed skin for s12

[stiff zephyr]

Wow they really daf about Venture do they

[echo isle]

Wait, what was the mythic weapon at the end of the trailer

It seems it’s going with the bound demon theme, but this time something to do with ice

It’s like a really big sword

[grand wedge]

i'ts the Lich King sword, Frostmourne

(from World of Warcraft)

[stiff zephyr]

Collab skin for Rein, don't think they'll give Rein a second Mythic weapon immediately after getting the first one

[grand wedge]

They can do some WoW x Overwatch, they did it for Diablo IV last year, and this year, it's a big WoW expansion

[echo isle]

Damn

As a rein main I feel pretty satisfied with his skins recently, at least he’s getting some love

But I’m 100% sure we’re getting a mythic weapon skin this season because the announcement on the xbox website said mythic skins as in plural

Hunt for Treasure in the Premium Battle Pass Discover ancient treasures and cosmic wonders as you explore the Premium Battle Pass, featuring 80 Tiers of Rewards including up to 80 Mythic Prisms, five Legendary skins of Bast Doomfist, Oni Ana, Thoth Illari, Dorothy Ashe, and Captain Sigma, plus a 20% season-long XP boost, an additional 500 credits, and more. This is on top of other free rewards for all players including up to 600 Overwatch Coins, 1500 credits, and dozens of new cosmetics to collect. You will also earn up to 80 Mythic Prisms to unlock your choice of the Mythic Anubis Reaper Hero Skin, the Midnight Sun Ana Weapon Skin, or past Mythics including the return of the Mythic Ancient Caller Moira Hero Skin. You can also become the ultimate treasure hunter when you purchase the Ultimate Battle Pass that includes 20 tier skips, an additional 2000 coins, and the Heist D. Va and Aset Echo Legendary Skins.
200|250
S5
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This is the season description

Weapon skin is Ana

[turbid minnow]

It could be a full skin

[echo isle]

Yh it’s a collab with WoW ig

[paper inlet]

Isn’t that Set?

[turbid minnow]

Before now it wasn’t confirmed

[peak escarp]

not even close

source?

he made up the founding date

his official age is 39

[spare fox]

Yeah the bike was from 1976. Though I do suspect it was kind of an asspull internal retcon but I have no evidence of that lol

It works so

[past copper]

Yo! Anyone who seen the S12 trailer, gotta say, it look pretty good. Still better then S11

While I like the Egyptian themed skins, I think I’m more interested in what look like mobster themed skins too

It be kinda cool to see these guys get more like them

[past copper]

This is just a guess on the Egyptian gods but:

Reaper = Anubis
Illari = Khonsu or Ra
Doomfist = Sekhmet
Echo = Isis
Pharah = Horus

[fallow mantle]

Same god, but they've called Echo's skin 'Aset'. Likely because of something-particularly-infamous that-isn't-a-god-also-being-named-Isis. Understandably, of course.

[past copper]

Good to see they’re still making Polar skins

Now to see Rein and Brig get their own. And eventually Baptiste and Mercy

[turbid minnow]

Those skins are peak

[sullen girder]

Tell me about it, right now I’m having trouble deciding on if I should get the rein skin or the kiriko skin (so I could see what the kitsune looks like. Like even soldier has a freaking dog mask and mercy is wearing dress

[past copper]

Just a thought. But I guess Torb isn’t the only captain now that Sigma getting a sailor skin

And seems Zenyatta will finally get help in the kitchen with that chef Genji skin

[past copper]

Also, fun detail to note about the Dorthy Ashe skin, Blizzard got the slippers right

[sullen girder]

I’ll be honest, I did though of a Dorthy skin for Ashe but I thought bob would be that dog or maybe the cowardly lion

[potent temple]

Illari is thoth

[golden oak]

I don’t get why they split skins from one theme into different seasons

[peak escarp]

because they were probably supposed to be tied to the PvE

[patent trench]

that means theres still a chance it can happen (im coping)

[golden oak]

Wait so polar skins, so there would be a mission on Antarctica
Ram’s omnium possibly??

[peak escarp]

that's what I think

[patent trench]

Any news on the next line of heroes after Juno?

[tranquil orbit]

all we know is this mysterious tank we saw in the doodle

[golden oak]

Still don’t get what is Ana, kiri and soldier supposed to be

[tranquil orbit]

after this maybe emre and hivemind at some point?

[golden oak]

Emre was mentioned by sojourn recently in a voice line

So plausible

[tranquil orbit]

yep

the recent addition of that havana voiceline has me convinced

they dont just add these things out of nowhere

[golden oak]

But after mauga they just decided to come up with new characters entirely

[tranquil orbit]

tbf tho theres always been some gaps

if we track it out

lets see

echo was in previous

[golden oak]

Moira was teased with a voice line also

[tranquil orbit]

sojourn was in previous

junker queen was in previous

kiriko unseen

ram was in previous

lifeweaver unseen

illari unseen

mauga was in previous

[golden oak]

Echo is ow1 hero tho

[tranquil orbit]

yh im just starting from an arbitrary point lmao

and yh venture and juno were both unseen

[patent trench]

venture is from a completely differnt faction

[tranquil orbit]

youre right to say that theres defo been more completely unseen ones than before i think

however i still think it's a matter of spacing tbh

also w this new model theyre now releasing heroes at a much higher volume than they were at the end of ow1

this along w the situation the lore is in means that it's more likely we just have characters dropped in on us

[golden oak]

anyone?

Skins I mean

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i rly cant say w any certainty sorryyyy

[golden oak]

Emre is Turkish allegedly right?

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nah he defo is

categorically

emre sarioglu

[merry token]

I’m so

Wait

Ignore the ping if you see it 😭, I misread all three of those names somehow

[worthy rose]

I’d like to point out venture was teased sense Petra

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not rly a proper teaser because venture themselves was not indicated

rather it was the wayfinders and even then im pretty sure there was no name confirmation

it's a bit like saying kiriko was teased as the "kanezaka fox girl" but the character herself was just not in lore whatsoever

[desert dove]

When a voice line from ow1 gets removed does it take away it’s canonical value?

[peak escarp]

not unless a new line contradicts it

voice lines are all hypothetical anyway

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it's a good q tho because sometimes theres some "soft" contradictions

notable examples being some that sombra has in ow1 vs 2

but still yh hypothetical and also theres distinguishing between some of the more "silly" ones and ones that we take as more lore accurate

grey areas and all that fun stuff

[desert dove]

It just seems like some characters had tons of voicelines together in ow1 but have nothing in ow2

[frail loom]

I want someone to rate me cuz i want to be the next character

[keen summit]

man im excited to see the reactions of venture and ram to anubis

cuz if venture DOES have the real anubis with them, they might yknow have an interesting line

[echo isle]

Insert witty comment about venture not having any skins

[dim mulch]

DID ANYONE GET THE BLACK SCREEN WITH REAPER BREATHING

[spare fox]

Whomst?

[proud thistle]

There's signs in Numbani and Midtown referencing an Atlantic arcology IIRC

What do we know about it?

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quite a bit acc it's currently where lifeweaver is hanging out

[proud thistle]

Neat

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it's a self sustaining city in the atlantic ocean (presumably underwater) and was founded by the martins couple

who u can see portraits of on esperanca

[spare fox]

We get more info on it in the Sym-LW short story

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it's a big collective of scientists and other such professions and they have legal independence

[proud thistle]

Ooh

Would make for a cool map

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yep it's acc one of the top picks i think for a new one

[proud thistle]

Make it a clash map

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also makes sense cos lifeweaver doesnt rly have any maps that tie to his lore

[spare fox]

Yeah they're holding it in their back pocket I imagine

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tbh i think it's a bit far off unfortunately

[proud thistle]

Neither does Juno

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i get the feeling w the new clash game mode theyre gonna rinse those first

[proud thistle]

Or Sigma

Or Ashe

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because they can re use the assets from 2cp easily

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ashe at least has route 66

[proud thistle]

Or Widowmaker

Or Torbjorn

Or Tracer

Or Brigitte

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tracer has king's row

[proud thistle]

what

Oh, or Mercy

Or Lucio

[tranquil orbit]

and torb and brig wouldve had gothenburg which was gonna be a 2cp map

[proud thistle]

😭

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but they never released it when they canned 2cp for ow2

but i think it'll be coming soon

either as clash or a payload map

[proud thistle]

yea

[spare fox]

Widow has Chateu Guillard

[proud thistle]

Also missing Symmetra

Huh

[tranquil orbit]

also yh mercy and zurich would be nice

[proud thistle]

red cross would get pissy

Let's see

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zurich also being the location of the old overwatch hq means that it's been requested like FOREVER

[proud thistle]

Dva - Busan

Doomfist - Numbani

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baptiste doesnt rly have one

[proud thistle]

Junker Queen - Junkertown, New Junk City

Mauga - Samoa

[spare fox]

I also think they have the destroyed OW headquarters in their back pocket as a map

[proud thistle]

Ramattra - Nepal, Shambali Monastery

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id love a port de paix or tortuga map

[proud thistle]

Reinhardt - Eichenwalde

Roadhog - Junkertown

Sigma - nothin

Winston - Horizon Lunar Colony, Watchpoint: Gibraltar

Hampter - Horizon Lunar Colony, Junkertown

Zarya - Volskaya Industries (barely)

Ashe - Route 66

Bastion - Black Forest

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sombra - dorado, castillo

[proud thistle]

McCree - Route 66

Echo - Watchpoint: Gibraltar (I think)

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lucio - paraiso

[proud thistle]

Genji - Hanamura, Nepal

Hanzo - Hanamura

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tbh i think of route 66 more when i think of echo

[proud thistle]

Junkrat - Junkertown, New Junk City

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just cos of the cinematic

[proud thistle]

Mei - Ecopoint: Antartica

Pharah - Temple of Anubis

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also Antarctic peninsula now too

[proud thistle]

Reaper - not sure

Sojourn - New Queen's Street

Soldier: 76 - not sure

Sombra - Castillo

Symmetra - not sure

Torbjorn - Gotheburg (rip)

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reaper's a bit of a funny one cos he's been to a lot of places but i dont think theyll ever make a map for his actual place of birth in LA

partially cos they already have 2 california maps

[proud thistle]

Tracer - Watchpoint: Gibraltar, King's Row

[tranquil orbit]

but also cos his home just isnt v relevant to his character

[proud thistle]

Venture - Petra

Widowmaker - Chateau Guillard

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venture also has ilios too

[proud thistle]

Ana - Necropolis

Baptiste - not sure

Brigitte - Gothenburg (rip)

Illari - Runasapi

Juno - nothin

[tranquil orbit]

also the new throne of anubis i reckon

[proud thistle]

Kiriko - Kanezaka

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but we'll see

[proud thistle]

Lifeweaver - nothin

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but i think ana might get some cool stuff for this asw as venture, ram and pharah

[proud thistle]

Lucio - Estádio das Rãs

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PARAISO

[proud thistle]

Mercy - nothin

Moira - nothin

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terrible map but paraiso was great for pve

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moira has oasis

[proud thistle]

🤦‍♀️

Zenyatta - Nepal, Shambali Monastery

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one of the spawn rooms is literally her lab

[proud thistle]

I forgor 💀

So we're missing home stages for Ramattra, Sigma, Echo, Reaper, Soldier: 76, Symmetra, Torbjorn, Tracer, Baptiste, Brigitte, Juno, Lifeweaver, and Mercy

[tranquil orbit]

tracer we have

[proud thistle]

I still disagree with your assertion that it's king's row

[tranquil orbit]

and i kinda feel like we wont ever get reaper and soldier

[proud thistle]

True

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it defo is she has unique voicelines for it even

plus the iconic widowmaker battle

also id say ram for shambali counts

[proud thistle]

the unique voiceline is her yelling at widowmaker

And Ram is formerly Shambali

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yh "how dare you come back here"

[proud thistle]

I want a Null Sector map

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i THINK and this isnt confirmed

but ram mightve been hiding out on antarctic peninsula in the now discontinued pve story

this is only a vague indication because of some polar skins and also a few other rumours i heard floating abt

but it's kinda irrelevant now ig

[proud thistle]

😭

I like the way Juno is written

[polar garnet]

bring back uprising kr fr

[polar garnet]

I mean junos map is on the way

[proud thistle]

It is>

[polar garnet]

I swear i saw pics leaked but talking to a friend he said there wasn’t any at all so it was probably a dream lmao

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Nah theres been no leak of a mars colony map as far as ik

They wouldnt even have it completed at this stage i don't think

Theyre only just releasing hanaoka and throne of anubis

I think the one after that could v well be the mars colony map ... maybe for flashpoint

[potent temple]

Will we get a map next season or will they cop out bc we got two this time even 😣

Like

Two for season twelve I mean

[thorny hollow]

I feel like a new anubis tank should exist, like side by side with ramattra.

Ramattra the leader and anubis is his partner in crime with the creation and programming of the omnic army

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I need to think back to what they did last time

We got 2 flashpoint in s6

Did we get a new map in s8 i think we did

Samoa

So the precedent would suggest no they probs wouldnt cop out

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Also the only problem w this is that anubis doesnt have a moveable hardware ... his sarcophagus is so massive that it cant move

Unless ofc u subscribe to the theory that he's transferred/transferring his intelligence to another hardware

Which ive thought abt a bit i dont rly feel too strong abt it one way or the other

[grand wedge]

Oasis tower? Using those « eye » hardware Soldier gave Sombra and that Venture has in their possession ?

That is, of course, very speculative

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This is something ive heard altho im not certain

[past copper]

Throne of Anubis looking phenomenally beautiful