lore-discussion

[spare fox]

they want a Fortnite clone

[tranquil orbit]

The main issue w that I think is that ow just doesnt have the license to become an "everything game" and reinvent itself constantly like fortnite

So maybe this is just me coping

But sooner or later the higher ups will realise that they cant ignore the story side forever

[spare fox]

it's trying though with the collabs and rando "Event modes"

[tranquil orbit]

Events are good for money i just dont think things like the modes are working for ppl

[spare fox]

they're hit or miss, mostly miss

[tranquil orbit]

It rly shows that the most popular thing they did recently was mirrorwatch

No coincidence it's the only thing directly tied to lore outside of the s6 pve

Albeit in "reverse"

[spare fox]

yeah

I think the last event mode I really enjoyed was the Concert Clash

[tranquil orbit]

Tbf even for that one the skins and video were cool

The game mode i only rly did like a couple times

[spare fox]

I loved the chaos and different objectives... not so much the constant junkrat yammer

[tranquil orbit]

Lmaoooo i forget that they included junkrat in that 😭

A lot of ppl thought it was gonna be lw

[spare fox]

I loved playing the game mode but while playing I was really sympathizing with Roadhog lol

[tranquil orbit]

Junkrat more like junkyap

[spare fox]

Queen would love that

[grand wedge]

100% this. So many things were teased in some maps, and let us speculate for future reveals... And the twitter teasers? That's what i miss the most T^T

[tranquil orbit]

Ikr and the maddest part is that things like twitter teasers are probably a cost benefit because theyre inexpensive and it improves the overall perception of the game

Atm the game has such a bad rep online it's sad

[peak escarp]

the meteor/comet

it wasn't there before s11

[smoky tendon]

it's doomfist's ultimate ability, meteor strike

[twilit patrol]

Can’t wait for Space Ranger

Hopefully her lore is nice

[stiff zephyr]

People speculating that it's a transformers collab teaser

Either would be cool. Hope it's Space Ranger tho

[spare fox]

Is it on all night maps?

[leaden galleon]

I really really hope T4 has something special prepared for this next hero

The lore and the game itself need something big right about now

And I can't feel optimistic about it because of how little we got for Venture

[leaden galleon]

The meteor can only be seen on Blizzard World, Hollywood, and Route 66

All those places are in the US, if that means anything

[tranquil orbit]

Thats why ppl are saying transformers

[worthy rose]

If this is a teaser for space ranger I'd be happy because that means they're doing hero build ups again but it might be transformers

[peak escarp]

could be either

bit weird to do a map teaser for a collab though

[tranquil orbit]

Like i said it's the biggest thing theyve acc done outside of porsche

So it kinda makes sense they changed it up

Im not sure why space ranger would only be visible on some US maps when she lives on mars

[peak escarp]

maybe she lands in the US

[tranquil orbit]

But so does the allspark

[peak escarp]

🤷‍♀️

[tranquil orbit]

Yh either way ig

[spare fox]

Those 3 maps are in the same relative geographic area too

For transformers the Hollywood/blizzard world (universal studios) makes sense plus Rt 66 with the alien angle

It's not visible on Lijiang? To me that'd be most obvious for Space Ranger

But who knows

[past copper]

Look. I can almost promise you, the TF collab ain't going to be the Michael Bay version

Those movies sadly lost their popularity in favor of the BB n RotB movies

So they're bound to make like 80s style TF skins for a number of heroes

[spare fox]

yes, they would need to look more cartoony or pixar-ish to fit in

rather than the modern TF movie style

[past copper]

Well I kean that depends. Most of the collabs skins cosplay like

Oh shit... it better not be Box Reinhardt skin redesigned into Optimus skin

[past copper]

Whatever the case, I honestly don’t see the collab using anyone but Optimus, Bee, Megatron, n Starscream

Although, I don’t think Shockwave or Soundwave can be ruled out. They’re pretty memorable too

[dreamy shoal]

How can orisa, zen, ram, and echo talk but bastion cant?

[peak escarp]

Bastion wasnt made to socialize, he was made to kill people

[dreamy shoal]

What happened to cassidy's arm? Who cut it off?

[past copper]

We don’t know what happened and probably will never know

[tranquil orbit]

Presumably it was either on a blackwatch mission or during his bounty hunter phase post ow collapse

I cant remember if he has both his arms when he was bodyguard for dr liao but if he does it probably rules out the blackwatch theory

Because he has both his arms during the rialto incident

[hushed jetty]

i guess this begs the question why ramattra can talk though since i dont imagine anubis cared for its ravagers to be striking up conversations

though perhaps its just an omnica vs sst labs thing

[zenith mango]

Do u guys think that Hammond will ever go to find Winston

[tranquil orbit]

They will meet again in the story for sure theres unresolved tension

As for when i have no clue

[past copper]

Ravagers were designed to lead Anubis forces. I’d imagine Anubis built them with programmed intelligence in order to communicate with their forces in the middle of battle

Which certainly tracks when you consider the fact that sending mindless war machines to kill without any strategy would lead to faster defeat

Hence, build units to lead war bots in strategic organized attacks

[hushed jetty]

youd think theyd be able to communicate without it being verbal though

[peak escarp]

it could also be for intimidating enemy humans

[dreamy shoal]

Has anyone every wondered how mei does her ice block ability? Like is it magic to where she just thinks it and suddenly gets incaptured in a block of ice or does she just shoot herself with her ice gun?

[spare fox]

in-game I always assumed it was some kind of trigger she had on her device and it was activated through her backpack thing

idk how canon it is, I don't think we've seen it canonically

[peak escarp]

Speaking of which, I've been here in the Yukon, near Mount Logan, field-testing my new gear. I've recovered from some early "issues" (my arm still hurts from being frozen solid a few days ago… so embarrassing!), and everything is in good working order. Look on the bright side: now that I've tested the equipment on myself, I'm not worried about using it on all the cute animals I want to study!

her ice block is a gameified version of this

[spare fox]

Oh yeah! And that's a nod to a past design/concept of Mei's, I believe when they had her as an ice-themed bounty hunter

And she had a prosthetic arm bc she injured it so badly while testing her weapon, iirc

[spring fable]

Dumb question

Is there

Any good lore to the game?

[past copper]

😅 it's all good... Maybe read up on it or watch more if you don't know

[sour isle]

Wasn't it Bob?

Ashe mentioned she'd "Get Bob to rip your /other/ arm off!"

In thr cinematic

I always interpreted the emphasis on 'Other' as implicit that Bob had ripped the first one off

[keen summit]

ewh i wouldnt call it great, its barely a teaser when we already know the hero

[past copper]

That doesn’t mean anything. Especially since it’s not much different from mythic

New hero isn’t getting a TF skin anymore then she’d be next in line to get a mythic 🤷‍♂️

[keen summit]

Wdym

Is this to me or snother person

Ohh wait i get the confusion now

[past copper]

I mean that new heroes kinda get the short end of the stick upon release

[keen summit]

Gwa wasnt saying transformer skin for spacecranger, they were saying the hero "teaser" is likely for transformers but i would be cool as a hero teaser

[keen summit]

You got context wrong

But ngl, i doubt she will. Venture has been criticized for being unattractive while ahem space ranger already has simps thirsting over her

[past copper]

It’s got nothing to do with attractiveness. It’s the fact that A), new heroes always got the short end of the stick on legendary/mythic/collab skins

Tho, JQ and Kiriko are technically exceptions to this

[keen summit]

Kiriko especially

[past copper]

And B) it appears the new model for new hero free to players upon release, is that skins are now only available in shop

[keen summit]

Wasnt saying shed get base skins

[past copper]

Not exactly what I call a better plan, but given the change to the BP, I guess it’s… fine

[keen summit]

But i dont doubt as its a new attractive support that there will defo be shop skins on release

[past copper]

Idk bout that. Venture didn’t get a unique skin until like the second week. And only then, it was only one

Guess they don’t wanna “force” players to buy 3 legendary or epic skins all in one week

[keen summit]

I know, and again i think ranger might get something. However you missed yhe point

We werent talking bout ranger skins

We were talking bout ranger "teasers"

[past copper]

Well, it might not be Space Ranger at all. Probably just a transformer thing

Altho, it hard to say if it is MB looking at now

[keen summit]

I agree, and even if it was i wouldnt call it a teaser anymore. Cuz we already know what she is who she is etc. The pnly teasers we could get is kit wise really

[past copper]

But I can’t see it being Michael’s TF style. Too much detail for a skin. Even if said skin is cosplay

[keen summit]

But even then, thats still very funny to me if it is, cuz then they "tease" transformers when they legit said that was the collab

Teasing doesnt work if its legit already told to you what it is. Imagine getting a present and they tell you its say a bmw type whatever idk, and then they start like leaving notes hinting st the bmw car or whatever. It would feel odd

[past copper]

And technically, we did get a glimpse of SR’s kit. Idk where I saw the photo, but it looks like she has a gun with two scanners or something at the top sides of her screen

Not sure what to expect from what I’m seeing, but I’m hoping for something like a gravity ability

[keen summit]

Yeah ik from blizzcon, but thats ehy i said like that's the only teaser we could really get. Its why i loved say brig orisa and ana teasers, they hinted at the abilities through for example blueprints

[past copper]

I notice they’re making a point at showing off several features in her design

Guesses are something like a gravity jump or possibly flight (we need another flying support), a targeting system for ult, but other then that idk

[keen summit]

Thing is we got no clue what those could do, ghose scanners could be to say apply a debuff on enemies say "weakness" which increases crit dng taken, or be to heal, or to create shields, or to fly eyc

We just dont know

[past copper]

Well. It all seems to depend on what she actually did on her missions in space

She has to be more then a medical officer

[keen summit]

We dont know

So lets wait till ee know, as we dont actually get hints anymore

[past copper]

Personally, and hear me out on this, what if we had a hero who could walk on and stick to walls?

Bc I think that could be what her boots might allow her to do. But that’s just a guess

Either that, or possibly hover boots. The way they look kinda remind me of the hover tech on vehicles

[hidden crown]

I think mercy canonically has a massive crush on me

[sour isle]

Me too

[smoky tendon]

Me too

[dreamy shoal]

Like spider man?

[tranquil orbit]

My theory is that it's going to be another support that involves speed

A common complaint w lucio is that he has a monopoly over any speed boost in any comps which means he's almost always used at the highest level

And i can see space ranger maybe having something similar to that she's also a kind of mobility support from the look of her design esp

[halcyon cosmos]

i think they mean like lucio except they dont glide all the time and can stop

[halcyon cosmos]

actually nevermind, like spiderman

[halcyon cosmos]

shes 100% gonna be a mobility support and im guessing she'll fly around and have either zen orbs or illari pylons to heal her team

[past copper]

I mean, she's probably gonna be potentially a floating support. Given her what I assume to be hoverboots n jetpack

Potentially, a mix between Pharah n Lucio abilities

[past copper]

I only say this, bc her boots look like the same hover tech Sigma built for vehicles

[spare fox]

Declassified did say that Dr de Kuiper's tech revolutionized transportation and space travel

So that tracks well

In the OW universe how long does it take to get to Mars?

[tranquil orbit]

Do we know how long it takes to get to horizon?

Because you could calculate it from that

[past copper]

Currently, it takes about 3 days to get to the moon

It would take roughly 9 months to reach Mars

So calculate all that by Overwatch rules

[spare fox]

Any thoughts or theories about why space ranger character is presumably returning from Mars?

[tranquil orbit]

Thats one of the reasons why i dont think the comet is her

Surely if she'd be returning it'd make more sense to be visible above lijang tower because lucheng interstellar is there

But yh ig if it is indeed some return in a comet like structure it's either some sort of specialised spacecraft

Or it's a rehash of the winston coming from HLC shenanigans which i hope to god we dont need someone w that same story pattern a 3rd time 😭

Plus id acc like it if one of our non earth based characters acc got some proper stories where they can stay in space i wanna see how it's like

[golden oak]

To help fight the null sector invasion?

[spare fox]

dw I don't think there's any indication that it's a rehash of the HLC

[tranquil orbit]

Nah as in the pattern of colony -> accident -> emergency return to earth

[spare fox]

that's a pretty solid one

[tranquil orbit]

Like it's fine but i rly want some space stories is all 😭

[spare fox]

yeah I agree

there's no indication that there's any distress on the Mars colony (yet?) so I think it might be a situation where they choose to return or something

[tranquil orbit]

Thing is tho we know next to nothing abt mars so ig we're basically just shooting off ideas

Presumably shes more of a research type of person tho

[spare fox]

maybe she's a high-ranked military officer with a background in science - that's why she's selected to be a space ranger - and they are calling her back to help with the Invasion

[tranquil orbit]

A pilot I'd understand tbf

But they do tend to send scientists more into space

[spare fox]

or maybe her home city/country/area was hit particularly hard and she (and probably others) are returning to help

[spare fox]

scientists, engineers, pilots yeah but all of those are skills you can learn heavily in the military

medicine too

she is a healer

[tranquil orbit]

True and i think when the space race was first starting originally most of the personel were chosen by the military

But i think that mightve been more to do w the cold war and the fact that as u said u kinda have skills all in one place

U need to be in v good physical condition

Altho maybe thats less of requirement with whatever technology they have up on the mars base

[spare fox]

that, and highly disciplined and able to take orders

[past copper]

Maybe an accident happened on Mars? You know one of the moons will one day crash into Mars right?

Phobos will presumably break up into a ring around the planet. But also rain down meteorites onto the surface

Another thought is that maybe it was hit with a solar storm. Something like that can do more damage then a nuclear explosion

[tranquil orbit]

It might be something as simple as they were sent to mars and conducted research projects

One of the findings was v important and had to be delivered in person back to lucheng

[past copper]

Well, another idea is based on a theory. Some scientists speculate the Valles Marineris of Mars created when a cosmic lightning bolt struck the surface

So… who’s to say another cosmic storm couldn’t have formed and hit the planet again in 2070+

Just an ex of what we’re talking if that were the case

Something like that would life threatening. And potentially force a Mars Colony to evacuate the planet

Tho, I like to imagine any colony on the moon or mars would at least have defense systems in case of something out of their control

Like hardlight barriers to protect the facilities from meteor showers or destructive storms

[tranquil orbit]

That acc raises a good q of whether vishkar would even allow it to be used

Unless they have a deal w lucheng

But presumably they have an effective monopoly over the stuff and might even be interested in launching their own space programme in the future

Interesting thought considering theyve built cities like utopaea and might also want to join colonisation efforts

[past copper]

Well it’s a thought that comes to mind. Metal facilities can’t hold up against meteorites hitting them with more speed than a bullet

So it only makes sense hardlight would go into the colonies defense systems

Otherwise, one meteor shower would wipe the Lunar Colony off the surface

[tranquil orbit]

They might be built underground?

Or alternatively theres some agreement w vishkar

Idk ig we just need to hold out for any visuals they release for us

[peak escarp]

hardlight isnt exclusive to Vishkar

[tranquil orbit]

was it not invented by the Vishkar founder?

i always assumed w how they have architech training that they have a pseudo-monopoly over the stuff

at least for things like big building projects

like the phrasing of this isn't super explicit

like altho Bhatt wasn't super profit focused the fact that he didnt get to enact his vision heavily implies that the company keeps full patent on it - as they 'pushed forward'

so just like how a lot of corporations work irl you'd need to pay a massive fee or just get the technology directly from vishkar or get it from somewhere underhand (like i think lucio's skates are hardlight? i think?)

also the unfortunate car accident is something i forgot abt they mightve JFKed him 😭

[peak escarp]

other companies make use of hard light

like Lucio's Luxor hard light skates

[tranquil orbit]

yes but what im saying is that it doesnt necessarily rule out that vishkar still gets a big piece of the pie

like i said either a massive compensation fee or lucio sourced it from somewhere underhandedly

considering vishkar had massive influence in rio it's not out of the q

[peak escarp]

why underhandedly

Luxor is a brand

[tranquil orbit]

because it'd be cheaper and less restrictive

or alternatively luxor has a deal w vishkar

[peak escarp]

Lucio didn't make the skates

so it wouldnt be him acquiring hard light

[tranquil orbit]

yes im aware and i never said he had to

but im making the argument that for something like a big building project somewhere like the moon and u wanna use hardlight i'd heavily doubt vishkar isnt somewhat involved

[peak escarp]

or maybe Bhatt gave out the tech freely before the company took him out

[tranquil orbit]

if not in name then theyre taking a big chunk of the pie

[tranquil orbit]

it's also possible

but then wouldnt they just sue anyone who isnt paying them fees?

for using the patent

[peak escarp]

what grounds would they have to sue? they were given access to the patent by the founder

[tranquil orbit]

ig it depends on what the paperwork says 💀

[peak escarp]

the contract was probably in perpetuity too

Bhatt seems like the type

[tranquil orbit]

they're defo dead set on controlling stuff like this i think regardless of what bhatt wanted

LW w his biolight is further evidence of this

vishkar do not let up

[peak escarp]

and yet Vishkar hasn't been able to deal with him

so they're not very good at it

[tranquil orbit]

true but theyre making their best attempts he's wanted 😭

and u gotta think that's just one person i imagine if it's someone like lucheng they just pop out w the lawyers being like hey

u wanna put a hardlight shield on mars?

let us do it or pay uppppp

[peak escarp]

they probably use whatever they used on Horizon

[tranquil orbit]

the underground theory has some irl merit tho because i think it's been discussed before to ensure less exposure to radiation

plus it's cold on the surface

i also wanna see a vishkar space endeavour asw at some point i think it'd make for a nice story

[past copper]

It’s not cold on the moon. It would actually be hot on one side and cold on the other

[tranquil orbit]

nah talking abt mars

median surface temp is -65C

[past copper]

Either way, they’d need protect from solar storms and meteor showers

That’s not even the full list of dangers of Mars

They very well could have deadly sandstorms

[tranquil orbit]

radiation is a big issue asw because the atmosphere is so thin

[past copper]

That’s why I said solar storms. Those are what cause the radiation

If not worse

[tranquil orbit]

u also just get random shit flying through space asw

earth's atmosphere is blessing fr

but yh this is why i predict that we see at least a partially built structure underground

it'd be cool we dont rly have this apart from like temple of anubis (kinda? maybe the rework?)

and also petra has some parts that are inside of rock

[past copper]

Something else to note is the possibility of deadly bacteria

[tranquil orbit]

MARS PANDEMIC PLOT

LET'S GO

[past copper]

The Alan Hills meteorite was found to have fossilized organisms in it that supposedly came from Mars

[tranquil orbit]

im so on board if they try that

[stiff meadow]

i really hope they keep on with more mars lore, excited for space rangers trailer icl

begging ow to add a vishkar tank 🙏

[tranquil orbit]

yhh same it's part of the reason i kinda hope she stays on mars 😭

[tranquil orbit]

we've had 2 characters from space so far and neither of them rly got to stay too long (in terms of amount of story dedicated to it)

[past copper]

Imagine. Colonizing Mars and these organisms on it. It could bring about unwanted life. Such as viruses

[stiff meadow]

it would be so cool to see a pve style mission in space, leaving earth and getting to mars. but knowing overwatch devs that will NEVER happen ☠️

[past copper]

Actually. We’ve had more characters in space

[tranquil orbit]

pls sign me up

sigma doesnt rly count

dont even

[stiff meadow]

or vice versa leaving mars and going to earth, following space ranger

[past copper]

Winston, Hammond, Sigma, Space Ranger

[tranquil orbit]

we need a proper story in space

[stiff meadow]

overwatch devs needa start hiring ppl from the community ong, some of the community creations arent half bad 😭 imagine how developed ow would be in terms of lore and actual gameplay if they did

[past copper]

Not to be the guy, but the community needs to be more supportive. Have you seen the stuff people complain about?

[tranquil orbit]

what lore wise?

i think we're pretty good we literally feast off crumbs on a regular basis 😭

[past copper]

Lore wise, game wise, skins, emotes, balance, hell… some even complain over maps

[stiff meadow]

yah its actually crazy

[tranquil orbit]

tbf the maps thing tends to be pretty valid concerns and was constructive feedback

because they acc made good changes

i played the new colosseo today it's amazing

v good work

runasapi is beautiful one of the best new maps asw i think

[stiff meadow]

i feel like w talon there could be alot more added, ik its js a game but people tend to forget that they are all sworn enemies 😭

[peak escarp]

I've seen what the community comes up with

no thanks

[past copper]

I played the new map yesterday night. Didn’t get to see much tho, but I liked it

[stiff meadow]

THISS, this map is actually so amazing it looks so good and the perfect push map imo

[tranquil orbit]

yh it's true but i think a lot of the gavin era characters tended toward more kinda morally upright figures

not that it's an issue

[past copper]

The com really doesn’t have good ideas. Remember Talonantis?

Yuck

[tranquil orbit]

but the only somewhat conventionally evil character we got was ram but even he was an older character

and so was mauga now that i think of it

so ig junkerqueen is it?

kinda?

it's just writing preferences i think theyll start writing more villainous ppl again

[tranquil orbit]

whats that 💀

[peak escarp]

Talantis

[stiff meadow]

was there ever any info on how mauga came to be associated with overwatch/talon? if not i would love to see that sorta stuff

[past copper]

Ya know some people complain bout this? Bruh I see the differences. One is Junkrat on vacation the other his Junkrat on the clock

[peak escarp]

Mauga had a fight with Doomfist, it came to a draw and Doomfist offered him a position in Talon

[tranquil orbit]

i'd die for a mustafar type map at watchpoint grimsvotn ... it's where they used to hold high level criminals during the old ow era

[past copper]

Bet… LG rat just lazes around in the guard tower while Hog does the actual LG work lol

[peak escarp]

that's not even the same skin

[stiff meadow]

ah okay, thanks

[tranquil orbit]

just lava everywhere and a decrepit ow watchpoint

[peak escarp]

his lifeguard skin is a recolour of his base skin

[past copper]

Exactly

[peak escarp]

it's an epic marked as a legendary

[spare fox]

yeah the boot and full length pants were... a choice... for a lifeguard skin

[tranquil orbit]

judging by his sunburn he might need them 💀

[peak escarp]

I wouldn't mind it if it was a recolour of his beach skin

because at least that is a legendary

[stiff meadow]

overwatch needs to stop charging soo much for recolours, should be a similar 'customise' system like the mythics

[tranquil orbit]

theyre doing it because of resources being tight atm im guessing

a lot of ppl got laid off

[stiff meadow]

while some of them are okay, mercy doesnt need a recolour of half her skins 🙏

[past copper]

I mean. His beachrat skin is based off his default for vacation in winter from OW1. Lifeguard is based off default for Summer in OW2

And like I said. All he probably does realistic is sit in the watch tower and do nothing. It's volunteer work. Roadhog the real heroic life guard lol

Least that how I see it going down with them

[peak escarp]

the skins aren't canon

that doesn't matter

[stiff meadow]

ultimate battlepass this season lowk flopped, feel like zens coulda been a bp skin

[tranquil orbit]

one of junkrat and roadhog cant swim

[peak escarp]

every item in the BP should match the theme

[tranquil orbit]

but im not sure which one

it just feels right tho

[peak escarp]

but the best we've had was 80%

[stiff meadow]

agreed, seems like a stupid move to put half the themed skins behind a paywall and the other half of another theme into the bp

[spare fox]

idk I think it's kind of a good move to mix it up so that there's something in the BP for people who aren't particularly taken with it

[tranquil orbit]

Yh like i almost got this one for mauga

But it wasnt enough ngl im just waiting for next one

I rly wanted that one tho i just dont play mauga it isnt worth it 😭

It'll probs ft in the shop after like 5 seasons or something

[peak escarp]

they haven't had a theme yet that I wasn't into

just a few that didn't do enough with the theme

[tranquil orbit]

ive skipped a couple

[peak escarp]

I'm looking at you, s8 and s1

[past copper]

Welcome to the MircoBlizzard Era where Team 4 is officially struggling

[tranquil orbit]

i also skipped the wild beast theme

i think that was s8

[peak escarp]

they were struggling before this

[stiff meadow]

i really hope there is an arcade gamemode following the ultrawatch

[past copper]

Team 4 need more people again. That's the issue

[tranquil orbit]

problem is that ever since the reports abt the losses from pve idt microsoft will be ready to hand them the extra resources needed for that

unless they have a good year

which they can i believe in them

but we need to support them in the mean time

[past copper]

Hard to have a good year if the community isn't more open and supportive

[tranquil orbit]

tbh thats only half of it the bottom line is money

without the pressure of the pve looming in the background it should be 1 thing

they sell skins microsoft gives them more resources to do what they want

because if they see game makes money they'll invest more money to make even more

yay capitalism 😭

[peak escarp]

in theory

[past copper]

He'll. I get why people were complaining about the story, but if they were more supportive and patient it could have gotten better

But nooooo

[stiff meadow]

the story wasnt even half bad it was just short asf

[tranquil orbit]

nah tbf i think they kinda broke everyone's trust too many times for it to ever be a success

[peak escarp]

I agree that the community didn't give it a fair chance

[tranquil orbit]

as soon as they said that they were charging money

it was doomed

no one likes being sold a product and then having it changed and still being asked to pay

[peak escarp]

but T4 took 5 years to give us 2 mediocre missions and the Blizzcon demo almost entirely unchanged from 2019

it was always going to be a paid product

that's not the problem

[tranquil orbit]

it was from the pov of public reception

[peak escarp]

they never said OW2 PvE would be free

[tranquil orbit]

as soon as they said skill trees were scrapped ppl were like it better be free

which it kinda was there was a BP bundle

defo discounted iirc

[peak escarp]

that was their fault, not T4's

[tranquil orbit]

but the perception was way off

[peak escarp]

T4 never made that promise

[tranquil orbit]

never said it was T4s

[past copper]

Players are just so used to getting everything they want from OW1 that they didn't consider the team gotta get paid to give them what they want

[tranquil orbit]

but at the end of the day thats not how execs view these things

[peak escarp]

I didn't say you did

[tranquil orbit]

sadly it's the team that takes the fall

always

because once again

yay capitalism

[tranquil orbit]

sorry my bad i misunderstood

[tranquil orbit]

to a certain extent tho u rly cant fault the playerbase

they had a promise over their heads ever since OW2 was announced and readily accepted less content for years and years only for it to be stripped down to like a fraction

the trust issues didnt come from nowhere

still i think theyll recover like i said all it takes is 1 good year

[stiff meadow]

if they took all the good features from this year so far and similarly replicated it next year it would be a genuinely good year for ow 🤷‍♂️

[tranquil orbit]

yh so long as they keep it consistent and release more ventures than maugas (gameplay wise) i think theyll stay profitable

which means more moneyyyyy

(that hopefully gets used for story stuff)

[frank sluice]

Yoooo I need one more person for Comp text me if u interested

[gleaming hound]

Sir I will report u

[twilit patrol]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[gleaming hound]

I was talking to other man breaking rules maam

[past copper]

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/us/nasa-alerts-as-asteroid-2024-kn1-size-of-an-88-foot-airplane-approaches-earth

Anyone else find the odds of Overwatch having a cosmic entity and this happening at the same time interesting?

[swift notch]

simpsons type shit

[opaque tundra]

Omg space ranger is real

[gleaming hound]

How long has that been going

[past copper]

Which one?

[gleaming hound]

The comet

[past copper]

Since the release of S11

Either a thing for Space Ranger, the Transformers collab, or both 🤷‍♂️

Regardless, it’s a cool detail. I love how they tend to add something to the maps every now and again

[leaden galleon]

Space Ranger's narrative designer Joshi Zhang quote tweeted screenshots of it on Twitter

Senior animator Kyle Disanjh and Hero VFX designer Joshua Reid have also quote tweeted

[spark apex]

Fort it's live event?

[tranquil orbit]

did the devs ever fully put to bed the idea of the archives missions coming back into ow2?

ik it's unlikely given the current situation

but did they ever address directly?

[past copper]

They haven’t even addressed if story is confirmed cancelled or not

What do you think?

[tranquil orbit]

wdym what do i think thats why i asked 😭

im just wondering if they ever said anything abt it at all

like anything abt like maybe transferring it to the new engine being difficult?

or there not being any demand?

just anything at all

[past copper]

My point is… they haven’t addressed anything of the story let alone the archives… unfortunately

[tranquil orbit]

they did say stuff abt the story in the past even if we're kinda in the dark rn

im just wondering abt since the release of OW2 until now

im just kinda surprised no one even asked if it's rly the case we know nothing

[past copper]

The only thing they addressed about archives was that they’d put those missions to bed in favor of moving the story forward

[tranquil orbit]

yes stuff like that

dyu remember where they said that

[past copper]

That was well before OW2 was released but… idk anymore

They say they’re uncertain about story missions right now

So where archives stands in unclear

For all we know, bringing back archives at all would be the sign they’ve officially given up on the story 🤷‍♂️

[tranquil orbit]

it could be but im not super concerned abt what thatd mean for the time being

[tranquil orbit]

im just tryna find a quote where they said this

this wouldve been around 2022 right when they first discontinued them?

all im looking for is something where they directly said WHY they didnt come back (as in 100% confirmation)

[past copper]

If I remember… I think it was in one of the updates behind the scenes videos before OW2 was released…

I can’t remember which one tho

[tranquil orbit]

anyways thx for the pointer

appreciate it

[past copper]

Welcome

Personally tho. I like to think if they’re not putting in as much effort with Ultrawatch (doesn’t look like they are) this season

Perhaps that time and effort is going elsewhere more important to the game

But I’m not getting my hopes up

I’m just saying, it’s a possibility. What with the odd BP (not counting the missing voiceline rewards), the majority of recolor skins, and a massive new map added

These signs could point to time and effort being put to better use for the game in a future season

[tranquil orbit]

Nah tbh my hopes are basically 0 asw for archives if they come back it'll be a treat

Im rly just looking for the quote tho thats all

[wraith cloak]

did jq build her magnet glove thing?

[spare fox]

probably not but it's not confirmed who did

[hushed jetty]

last time we asked about archives the answer we got was "not this year"

but that was last eyar

soooooo

[spare fox]

the thing is, we just got Declassified which sheds light on basically all things past Overwatch, more or less

there's still some holes to fill in but

I think they're going to work on "present day" going forward, but that's just my theory

[hushed jetty]

id at least like the archives missions to be brought up to current pve standards

[peak escarp]

I'd be happy to just get Archives

unchanged from OW1

as a permanent game mode

[spare fox]

A LOT of new players have been asking for them

Retribution was amazing

that was peak overwatch

[hushed jetty]

retribution is literally peak

permanent game mode is askng a little much. if people dont play it theyd just remove it

cough cough gauntlet cough

[peak escarp]

seasonally then

[spare fox]

or rotate them

[peak escarp]

just bring it back each year like Lucioball or Mei's Snowball Offensive

or Junkenstein

[leaden galleon]

real

[spare fox]

has OG Junkenstein been playable in OW2? I don't remember

[peak escarp]

yes

both Junkenstein's Revenge and Junkenstein's Revenge Endless are playable during the Halloween Terror event

[hushed jetty]

seasonally makes the most sense bc thats literally how they used to do it

like im surprised we didnt get it for anniversary last year

then again anniversary alst year was kinda lame.

[peak escarp]

if they brought back Pink Mercy by popular demand, we can get Archives back by popular demand

[hushed jetty]

we just need to demand HARDER

[iron lotus]

real

[golden oak]

Idek how we got pink mercy before archives

[spare fox]

easily: 1. the pink mercy skin already exists and doing a recolor doesn't seem that difficult. Then it's just a matter of marketing and coordinating with BCRF and a few fan-made sprays = really low cost and mid-low effort in exchange for a ton of good will from the community

2. re-releasing Archives would take a lot of dev time to port and update everything - including new voicelines for Cass's new name and new kits. They couldn't possibly in their right minds charge money for them after everyone got their panties in a wad over $15 for 3 larger, in-depth missions with full cinematics. Additionally re-releasing old content that was free (and probably charging for it) would result in a lot of negative and ill will from the community after the PvE disaster...

[golden oak]

Yeah that’s why I initially thought they were gonna re-release them alongside pve missions

With pve being scrapped/postponed the odds are a lot worse

The only thing that changed for archives is cass tho

[golden oak]

Because if they re-release archives people will be reminded about pve again and will want more

I think that’s the same reason why co-op hero mastery was deleted
(It flopped but if they left it in people would want more content from it)

[golden oak]

<@&397922982632226816>

[grizzled epoch]

wow

[grizzled epoch]

Thanks, dealt with

[tranquil orbit]

Yhhh it's a rough one i think for this exact reason

The only work around i can see for them is if they somehow create a new batch of archives missions and then have an incentive to remaster the old ones and release them asw as part of the event to act as free promo for either new missions or maybe even a new hero and maps

But i think thats incredibly unlikely at least in the near future

Thats not to say i havent thought abt other options for archives missions

Operation white dome would be great assuming they add emre and an istanbul map into the game at the same time

Also a detroit omnium mission during the crisis

[twin rose]

Little known fact; mercy’s heels are actually just her main weapon people just don’t use it and instead use her pistol

[bronze hedge]

taking off heels and tying her (already?) tied hair

she gon have beef on the battlefield girl!

[placid pollen]

I love your thinking

[jagged heron]

hi

[past copper]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[peak escarp]

saying hi is not shitposting

don't be rude

[past copper]

Not that. The guy claiming facts

About Mercy

Just forgot to specify a reply

[peak escarp]

you're also not a mod, so you don't have to tell people off

especially not several hours later

[tranquil orbit]

https://x.com/OmnicReporter/status/1805268586375553437?t=-K_7rCnWZjGoBY4BwsD-sg&s=19

The Omnic Reporter (@OmnicReporter) on X

I have some theory about the Space Ranger's name, based on some mysterious files I found in the game's audio. These are just speculations, please don't take them too seriously🙏. But I hope they're interesting.

@RangerCountdown @HammehLore @Niandra_ @HazeletOW @mushroomiiee

Twitter · Jun 24, 2024, 3:55 PM

Interesting thread on space ranger's identity w some hidden voice files

The only flaw i can find in it is that we cant rule out that this "harriet oris" and "haz" refer to completely different heroes because designs are normally in the vault for at least a year if not more

But some interesting thoughts still nonetheless

I still buy into the idea that she's mei's friend Jiayi

[leaden galleon]

Interesting

[spare fox]

I like it

I wonder if any of it will plan out

[leaden galleon]

SR having ties to Ashe or the Deadlock Gang would be quite the curveball

[tranquil orbit]

tbh i just cant see it it's that much of a curveball 😭

[spare fox]

Keep in mind with the Ashe lines, the Ashe and BOB short story introduced a whole new gang based on Las Vegas, including some characters

[leaden galleon]

Yeah idk

[tranquil orbit]

thats what im thinking

that "haz" is from there or another deadlock-related faction

and is a completely different character that might be introduced

[spare fox]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are two different things/heroes

[tranquil orbit]

might also be the notorious hazmat guy

istg if we ever get this it'll be something

not quite emre levels but still

[peak escarp]

it think it would be hilarious if SR has nothing to do with Lucheng

[spare fox]

who else would SR be associated with? yet another faction? or like a rival company to Lucheng?

[tranquil orbit]

there's always the outside possibility of another company going into space projects

but surely it's lucheng right?

[spare fox]

there's no confirmation or even real hint

other than Lucheng so far is the only place associated with space (on earth)

it would be funny if the voiceline with Ashe, seeing the comet on Rt 66 and then the alien tourist traps on Rt 66 are all interconnected though

she's not actually from space, they're just running a scam

[tranquil orbit]

it's confirmed it's lucheng who's on mars

unless maybe it's another colony altogether

but doubt

[spare fox]

yeah I doubt it too

but after Wrecking Ball, I literally think anything is possible when it comes to heroes

[tranquil orbit]

this section does also mention the ISRO as an org who initially helped lucheng

i did discuss the possibility of vishkar maybe also wanting to get involved in space (mainly just from the pov of building stuff and using hardlight rather than out of concrete evidence so far)

but maybe there's a scenario where space ranger is working for the ISRO

im still sticking w lucheng tbh just because they're the only ones explicitly mentioned w a mars colony

[peak escarp]

what I mean is

Lucheng ran the Horizon Lunar Colony, but Winston isn't associated with them

SR is from Lucheng's Mars colony, but she doesn't need to be associated with them

[tranquil orbit]

it could be

but i think ppl are more likely to make that link because we dont acc have a character who works for lucheng in the game cast yet which is a major faction unrepresented

hence the assumption

[sick lava]

the wiki is unfortunately so dead rn

would be cool if someone updated it one day with all the new overwatch lore

[peak escarp]

it does get updated, but it also gets a lot of misinformation

since anyone can edit it

[past copper]

Welp. That’s kinda why wiki should be locked from public use and only handled by pros officials whatever

[hushed jetty]

well its a wiki. the entire point is that its public use

[clear hinge]

hi

[peak escarp]

howdy

[crimson dawn]

Is space ranger the actual name or a placeholder

[peak escarp]

placeholder

[keen summit]

True

[past copper]

I mean, not to be that guy, but seems someone at Blizzard could handle the wiki…

Bc… what else they gotta do right now?

But that’s just me. Just saying, it’s way too easy for some random person to fuck up an entire wiki page or more

So to lock from public use wouldn’t be a bad thing. Heck, anyone who reads the wiki for lore would probably appreciate it

[gleaming hound]

Do u think the war would be different if bastion had his moving assault form with like no cooldown really and his gernade

like realistically

[peak escarp]

if one bastion had it? probably no difference

if every bastion had it? maybe a huge difference

[gleaming hound]

Yea every bastion

Just had a moving turret and grenade with a reasonable cooldown or ammo and the air strikes

[hushed jetty]

at that poijt just make another official site rather than using the existing wiki

like i said its a Wiki. on Fandom. the Fans handle it

generally anyway

[distant horizon]

Talon troopers suck

Blizzard needs to make them actually threatening

It's boring how they just get easily destroyed by the heroes

They're like stormtroopers but worse somehow

[worthy rose]

is overwatch cyberpunk? likes its very future-ey

[distant horizon]

Not necessarily cyberpunk but it does take place in the future

[robust gate]

Nah cyber punk is way more about corporations owning everything. Ow is just future

[worthy rose]

ah, kk

Any actual date OW is set in?

[turbid minnow]

2067 I think

Maybe 2076

I’m pretty sure

[past copper]

Overwatch is 2070+

[zenith mango]

we have a lil hint

[past copper]

A lot of time has passed between a number of events throughout the lore

[zenith mango]

on parisio

or however u spell it

[peak escarp]

my best guess is that Ramattra's invasion happens in 2079

but no official year has been given

[spring grove]

I have some secret lore

[spring grove]

Each morning, a missionary advertises neon sign
He tells the native population that civilization is fine
And three educated savages holler from a bamboo tree
That civilization is a thing for me to see

[gleaming hound]

What if orisa pre nerf was in the omnic war

[spare fox]

she wasn't

she's not an omnic, she's a security bot

[peak escarp]

also she's 2 years old

the omnic crisis was 28 years ago

[gleaming hound]

I’m saying what if she was

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[past copper]

Sorry, but what ifs aren't lore

[gleaming hound]

😭😭

[past copper]

Especially since Orisa lore steadily moving forward

[gleaming hound]

I make my own

[past copper]

Then that's not lore. That fanfiction

Besides. The Omnic Crisis is over and done with

As of Declassified, we know all we need to know of the Crisis

For now at least

[oblique hinge]

Why do people say that Illiari’s backstory is the saddest in the whole of overwatch when in reality its far from being the saddest

[zenith mango]

whats your reasoning

[gleaming hound]

blizzard knows it’s true

[tranquil orbit]

idk if saddest is rly a thing u can measure like that

it's definitely a massive tragedy but also hasnt rly been expanded upon too much compared to some others

[oblique hinge]

Well not as tragic compared to the others

But talking about this just reminds me of sombra

She had the best release in whole of video game history

I used to play overwatch 1 with my cousin at the time and i still remember the phone call and Spanish numbers i wish there could be more releases like sombras 😔

[tranquil orbit]

once again tho it kinda depends because it's a familiarity thing right

reinhardt has also gone through a lot but i think most ppl perceive it that way because we've spent more time w him and we've been able to see so many of the ins and outs

illari hasnt had that luxury sadly

and on sombra i massively agree

idt theyve ever rly come close to replicating that feeling w sombra but they could come close

they used to build up towards certain heroes w a lot more anticipation stuff esp on twitter and w in universe news articles

they dont rly do that anymore and considering it's fairly inexpensive i think they should consider

[oblique hinge]

True, Illiari’s backstory is quite vivid we dont know much

But im always going to stay on widdows backstory she had it the hardest

Every character had it hard their own way

But widdows is straight up tragic

Like something you would see in a Shakespeare play

[zenith mango]

well its your opinion

[past copper]

Mei’s story was the saddest

[zenith mango]

also subjective

[past copper]

Not really

[zenith mango]

you cant definitavely say any one story is the saddest

there are compelling arguments for a lot

[past copper]

Her team were stuck in a blizzard and running low on supplies, forcing them into cryo stasis

[zenith mango]

i know what happened chill

im just saying that many other people would disagree

[past copper]

Only for Mei to wake up 9 years later and find that her team is dead and they were more or less forgotten about

All in the most inhospitable place on earth

Anyone else would’ve been crushed by that kind of hopeless reality

[zenith mango]

are my messages not sending?

[past copper]

I’m just saying. Mei’s story has to be the saddest

[zenith mango]

not has to be

there are many arguments for many other heroes

[past copper]

Everyone who was apart of Overwatch lost something

But none of them were ever forgotten or completely alone

[peak escarp]

Mei's team wasn't forgotten, none of the rescue attempts could reach them

and eventually, they were believed to be dead

their families probably had funerals years before Mei woke up

[spare fox]

Ngl I get a real "buried alive" type vibe from the whole situation. Stranded alone at the literal edge of the world, no comms, power dwindling, everyone assumes you're dead so no one's coming for you

I try not to think about it

[tranquil orbit]

At least she was unconscious during the cryostasis

The only saving grace

[robust otter]

I feel like sigmas is worse imagine you dedicate your life to something only for it to drive you insane and resulting in you being locked up in a government facility not being able to interact with society due to the adverse effects

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh i think all this proves is that it's extremely subjective

Audiences naturally latch onto different things because we all have different life experiences

U add the further element of the stories having different levels of development

And a lot of ppl have different answers

[robust otter]

Well sigmas video is my favourite it’s so well made and different from the others

[tranquil orbit]

I agree acc

It's defo in my top 5

I also think baptistes origin story is criminally underrated

"Choices? What do you know about choices?"

The way they managed to acc cover his character transition in under 2min is extremely impressive

[robust otter]

The sigma origin story really expresses his decent into insanity with the erratic movement pared with the still art and the abundance of change of speeds and volume shows the madness and chaos

[tranquil orbit]

Yh my fav thing abt that one is that out of all of the origin story animations it takes the most liberty style wise in capturing sigma's essence

Literally textbook show dont tell

[robust otter]

Definitely

The one thing I don’t like about kirikos origin story is where the child fights it’s an attempt at humour but honestly I think it doesn’t fit with the situation and the point of Kiriko getting serious

[tranquil orbit]

Icl i massively prefer the 3d cinematic for kiriko

Or are u talking abt the one w the glasses in the 3d cinematic?

Because she got a 2d one asw

But yh idk

[robust otter]

Yeah the one with glasses in the 3D animation

[tranquil orbit]

Maybe this is a hot take but i think despite the fact kiriko has 2 cinematics, a short story and a one shot manga i still think they still havent quite got a quality story for her 💀

[robust otter]

There does seem to be a lot of holes in her story especially with the age gap between her and the shimada brothers even though they apparently trained together as kids

[tranquil orbit]

Maybe it also has something to do w how differently she's portrayed in almost every appearance including her in game interactions

My personal explanation for this is that it might be a situation where shes a lot closer to family and has a more caring side of her personality

But fronts a more snarky, abrasive one around ppl she doesnt rly know too well (maybe a bit like a tony stark)

[robust otter]

It’s probably just because they fired the lore team

[tranquil orbit]

Like theres tons of story potential there but i gotta be honest i rly dont care for her yokai stories or anything like that because they dont rly advance her character in any way

[tranquil orbit]

Defo has a big factor

But i think for her in particular she was more of a "design first" rather than "story first" type hero anyways

[robust otter]

Yeah

[tranquil orbit]

It's kinda blatant from all the inconsistencies

Then u have mauga who was the complete opposite 💀

And sojourn too i think

[peak escarp]

if I was to rate the origin trailers, I would put Sigma's last

it doesn't tell us much about his actual personality or backstory - it's too stylized and all spectacle

Baptiste's is really good

Ashe's too

did a tierlist real quick

[tranquil orbit]

gotta disagree w sigma in D im sorryyyyyyy 😭

i understand your POV tho

doomfist in S tier is also a big dub

[peak escarp]

as entertainment, it's great

but as lore, it fails to deliver

[tranquil orbit]

i think it comes down to whether u like more or less ambiguous story telling

it's preferences and that

[peak escarp]

Doomfist's gets the top spot because it's a flashback to an actual event

[tranquil orbit]

for me it's the writing

[peak escarp]

hmm, thinking about it, Ashe should go down a rank

[tranquil orbit]

so many quotables in that one

literally everything is a bar 😭

[peak escarp]

if I'm only putting ones in S that have ties to other lore

[tranquil orbit]

"conflict and war is the crucible through which we evolve"

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[peak escarp]

Baptiste's origin ties in to the Cuerva Strike Team log that was released as a teaser for him

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/overwatch/22905586/subject-cuerva-strike-team-log-recovered

[tranquil orbit]

yhhh i recently read that back through ive been doing a bap lore deepdive

i didnt know it existed

[peak escarp]

Baptiste's origin trailer is him addressing Cuerva

you can see the three missing Talon agents tied up at the end

[tranquil orbit]

yhhhhh

[peak escarp]

Baptiste still needs a Caribbean Coalition skin

[tranquil orbit]

he needs skins full stop tbh

but they dont do it because money

it's weird asw for a character that's basically always in pro scene that not enough bap players spend money on the guy apparently

v sad

[peak escarp]

the best trailer hands down has to be the Retribution trailer

it leads directly into the intro cinematic for the mission

https://youtu.be/JMgzvpqzdTU

[tranquil orbit]

the character select for retribution is still chills

ik they did it again for storm rising

where they have all the characters lined up

[peak escarp]

PvE peaked in 2018

[tranquil orbit]

but blackwatch has AURA

if they ever do a new set of archives missions they should defo do another blackwatch one

it'd liekly need to be before the venice incident but im sure they could cook something the timeline has space

[peak escarp]

they won't do more Archives missions

[tranquil orbit]

it is a big IF 😭

but yh probably not

[peak escarp]

those three missions were specifically chosen to set the stage for the present day story

setting up OW2 before we even knew it

[tranquil orbit]

true but if they wanted they could also use them to expand on some other events and get to retell some things in a more immersive way

things like white dome, the detroit omnium etc

[peak escarp]

I'd rather have the present day story continue

[tranquil orbit]

plus they make fun events

[tranquil orbit]

i agree tht pushing the narrative forward is important

but ultimately it's still anthological story telling

idm jumping all over the place it's what theyve always done

[peak escarp]

past stories can still be told in novels and comics

[tranquil orbit]

plus the beauty of the archives missions is that u could kinda experience each one independently of another and not rly need to catch up too much

[peak escarp]

we already know what happened in the Detroit omnium, so it's very unlikely they'd cover it again in gameplay

[tranquil orbit]

yh in terms of new info for US maybe not so much

but im thinking moreso for the average player who might wanna experience them in a big summer event

[peak escarp]

also they always do 4-player PvE

[tranquil orbit]

i think it'd be a nice opportunity

[peak escarp]

so the Detroit Omnium wouldn't work

and White Dome needs Emre

[tranquil orbit]

yh it's sojourn, soldier, torb and liao isnt it

they could add someone else in if they wanted or do a 3 person idk

i just think that theyd be quite exciting as events and probably slightly easier to pull off because the writing for them has already been done (rip the team)

at least the baseline

and ppl are always complaining abt events not rly being as substantial as they used to

[peak escarp]

and if they made PvE out of missions we already know about? "Come on Blizz, we know this already, give us something new"

people will complain regardless

[tranquil orbit]

idkkkk i think theres ways of making it more interesting

it's like the clone wars in star wars just because an event has kinda been told doesnt mean u cant get a rly good experience out of it being told a different way

at the end of the day good immersive storytelling shines through

[peak escarp]

then if they change/add anything people will whine (incorrectly) about retcons

[tranquil orbit]

lowkey i dont rly get those ppl

story has always been evolving

[past copper]

You gotta see this from the perspective of the lore AND sadly the community

[peak escarp]

people complain that the lore is a mess and inconsistent and full of retcons because of ONE error

[tranquil orbit]

tracer called omnics robots in the start of the uprising archive and now we dont treat them as remotely the same

just a random example off the top of my head

[past copper]

People still bitch over a vehicle in Uprising all bc it has wheels

[tranquil orbit]

wait rly?

youre joking 💀

[past copper]

Do I sound like a joking man?

The community will bitch over anything in Overwatch

[tranquil orbit]

nah im just extremely surprised

[past copper]

And I mean ANYTHING

[tranquil orbit]

i trust u

i think all this is a sign of is that ppl are starved of good story that they start obsessing over minor details

a lot of fandoms devolve into this over time

[peak escarp]

Kiriko's age doesn't make sense? Guess all the ages are wrong
D.Va being a StarCraft pro got retconned? Guess all the lore is retconned

hell there's one idiot on Tumblr telling people that the animated shorts are "in-universe propaganda" and none of them are actually canon

[tranquil orbit]

wait whats her game of choice now? i wasnt aware of the retcon

not that it matters particularly

[peak escarp]

Mecha Guardian V

a mech piloting game

[tranquil orbit]

ah kk

makes sense

[past copper]

Behold the truck that people bitched over in Uprising

[peak escarp]

which makes a lot more sense for her to get recruited

[tranquil orbit]

yh its

doesnt mean she cant enjoy starcraft on the side tho hehe

[peak escarp]

and she does

[tranquil orbit]

if theres one thing i want them to retcon it's when michael chu hinted at tracer being a chelsea fan

ik thats minor

[peak escarp]

lol

[tranquil orbit]

BUT SHE IS 100% WEST HAM AND NO ONE CAN CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE

her death comes pose is even doing the hammers celebration

[peak escarp]

ehhh

[tranquil orbit]

imo tho it just makes more sense because she has an east london vibe and chelsea fans are known to be extremely posh from south west

[peak escarp]

it's a Reaper reference, but nice try

[tranquil orbit]

tracer says up the hammers fr

[tranquil orbit]

i will speak it into existence

[past copper]

Not exactly an exclusive pose

[tranquil orbit]

yeah ik im not being fully serious

just saying it fits her like a natural

[past copper]

In fact. You actually see that pose pretty often when someone uses a pair of guns

[tranquil orbit]

i know i know 😭

[past copper]

Deadpool comes to mind first

[peak escarp]

the one bit of lore that I refuse to accept as canon is when Cassidy tells a joke in Deadlock Rebels then says "and that's why I don't eat pork anymore"

[past copper]

At least when naming his team

[tranquil orbit]

x force!!!!

[peak escarp]

he's clearly making a joke, but people seem to think that means it's canon that Cassidy won't eat pork

despite the fact that his recipe in the cookbook is a pork dish

[tranquil orbit]

wait it wasnt his apple pie?

im shook

[peak escarp]

that apple pie was from the diner

[tranquil orbit]

true

but still youd think as a clear apple pie enjoyer he might have some tricks up his sleeve

[peak escarp]

the cookbook does have Ingrid's apple pie

[tranquil orbit]

thats fair acc

makes sense now

[peak escarp]

which should be amazing since she's a chemical engineer

[past copper]

Just thought of something. Since Blizzard is working with Hasbro for a transformers collab

I bet a G.I. Joe collab isn’t far behind

[peak escarp]

is GI Joe even relevant anymore?

[tranquil orbit]

ig it depends on if it sells well

but yh id probs say it's a bit too far back

[past copper]

They made it relevant in Rise of the Beasts

But whether they expand on that remains to be seen

[tranquil orbit]

cowboy bebop was passable because it had the netflix adapt even tho it's super old

so ppl were still kinda talking abt it

[peak escarp]

also it's a classic and the devs are anime nerds

[tranquil orbit]

true but i bet theres also plenty of other classics they like that werent as relevant in public discourse

the netflix deal defo had sway

like i'd love a code geass colab esp because ram lelouch would be peak

but idt it's gonna happen no matter how much it's a classic 😭 ppl just dont talk abt it like they used to

my best guess for new anime colab will probably be something MHA related it just makes sense plus they can time it to a new season releasing

[robust otter]

Mha gross

(Watching currently)

[tranquil orbit]

not a massive fan myself tbf but it would bring them so much money i have to admit

[vague sandal]

Hi! I'm quite new to OW so I wanted to ask, how did Tracer gain the ability to "time travel"?

[keen summit]

watch her origin story, its simpler that way, if you have any questions afterwards we will explain

[vague sandal]

Alright, thank you!

[smoky tendon]

tracer has an origin story?

[tranquil orbit]

Yh she does

It's the first one they ever did in that style so it's a bit rough around the edges but it does its job well

[pastel stirrup]

what's the reasoning behind this lmfao

bro's watched too much of the boys

[robust gate]

Yea she was in a fancy plane crash

[hushed jetty]

less so a plane crash and more so a spontaneous plane disappearance

[stray needle]

guys venture is trans and widow hate trans and thats why she purple

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @stray needle

[twilit nacelle]

@stray needle Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[smoky tendon]

you tell 'em, lore warlord doctor_six

[stray needle]

NOOO IM SORRY

[topaz ermine]

!!shitposting @topaz ermine

[gloomy pike]

Are new heroes still getting lore? Or just like a short paragraph

[hushed jetty]

venture just got a comic so

mauga also came with a cinematic

[gloomy pike]

Is the comic any good?

[twilit patrol]

Imo, not that good, it's just a comic that exists

[gloomy pike]

Thats disappointing

The lore is what brought me in

[twilit patrol]

At least Venture got some lore

[hushed jetty]

its alright imo

sort of a fun read but it isnt very long or particularly important

[leaden galleon]

I suspect the next hero will be getting a cinematic or something similar; her release coincides with Gamescom, which Overwatch will be presenting at

[gloomy pike]

Hopefully

The cinematics were amazing

[leaden galleon]

I’m not expecting a 3D one, it’ll probably be in the same style as the Mauga cinematic

[gloomy pike]

Not to go back to those dark times but i had a lot of hope for the PvE

Im ok with that kind of animation

Or even if they did more experimental styles

I would love a show for OW2

[leaden galleon]

I just want people to know the lore isn’t dead

People think it is because of PvE cancellation and layoffs

[gloomy pike]

Well blizz isnt really doing much for it

[leaden galleon]

Well there’s the Heroes Ascendant short stories, but most people won’t care about those I feel

[gloomy pike]

I never even heard of that

[leaden galleon]

Yeah that’d be because they’ve done a subpar job at best with promoting it

I think 4? of the 8 stories are available to read for free online

[gloomy pike]

What about the other 4? Not done yet?

[leaden galleon]

Only available to read from the physical copy of the Heroes Ascendant book

For now

[gloomy pike]

Thats....kind of stupid

[leaden galleon]

I think they’ve been putting one online every month so they’ll all be up eventually

[gloomy pike]

Ah ok thats good

Ill have to catch up on those, thanks

[leaden galleon]

No problem

[tranquil orbit]

thing is tho is that was written before the big set of layoffs i think

So i think we're still yet to see an entire piece of lore made since the big purge they did (unless maybe the venture short and comic were done in that time which probably isnt a good sign anyways since they were a bit thin)

Either ways tho it doesnt hurt to be cautiously optimistic 🤞

[gloomy pike]

I feel like they could pull off an arcane

There is enough lore and characters to work with

[tranquil orbit]

Icl I'd defo hold my horses on that one

It'd be a dream and probs one of the best things that could happen but we cant let ourselves get carried away w expectations too high when we arent even getting consistent cinematics anymore

Not to mention the budget for that thing was 90mil which is insanely expensive for an animated series and idt anyone will fork that out for ow

It was 10mil per episode (for reference something like star wars the clone wars was only 1mil and theyre owned by disney)

[gloomy pike]

No i wouldnt expect it to happen i just think they could do it

The cinematics were awesome and its sad to see them just go to waste

[tranquil orbit]

I agree

Something i think that might be a bit more realistic that could acc happen is guest animator shorts

Like they outsource a certain story to an animator and let them go ham

Star wars did this w gendy tartakovsky in 2003 for a series of animated shorts on CN and i was thinking abt how good a job he would do if they let ppl like him cook

Like seeing what gendy could cook w characters like genji and reaper would be insane

[gloomy pike]

Yah that would be cool and allow for different and unique animation styles between shorts

[tranquil orbit]

Theyd also potentially be less of a budget constraint which i think is the main reason why theyve been so slowed down rn

[gloomy pike]

I just hope they keep doing lore. Im worried they're just finishing whatever was leftover from before the layoffs

[wintry heart]

I would pay for some an overwatch movie

[tranquil orbit]

i hope this isnt the case but ig we'll have a better idea in the 2nd half of 2024

if it's as dry as it's been for the first half i think we might need to sound the alarm bells

[gloomy pike]

Thats what happened with pve isnt it?

[tranquil orbit]

wait wdym specifically?

[gloomy pike]

That whatever they released was just the leftovers of when they actually tried to make a pve mode

[tranquil orbit]

ah right

technically i still think they acc have stuff they could release but wont because the initial 3 missions sold so poorly and did rly negative pr

but in a 2021 update from the devs u can see that the suravasa mission involving OW and zenyatta was v much near completion and something they were proud of at the time

[sullen girder]

Question, even though they do go hard, are you guys tired of the mythic villain skins?

[gloomy pike]

Kinda

Would be nice to see something different from the mythics

[sullen girder]

Like half of these mythics are basically villain skins. Especially “Rita repulsa” Ashe. I mean the last 2 mythics are villains skins (at least I think the Moira mythic is one)

[gloomy pike]

Yah i was kinda feeling bored of the "everyone is a villain" mythic theme

[tranquil orbit]

widowmaker mini boss wouldve kinda gone hard

[tranquil orbit]

esp w the vocal filters yeah

they need to switch it up a bit

[sullen girder]

Like why not make some cool hero mythics like with tracers skin

[tranquil orbit]

icl im not sure if tracer's one is the best example

decent concept but they kinda messed up the guns so no one uses it

they obstruct too much view

kiri's is nice

[sullen girder]

Like make a galaxy themed battle pass (galaxy as in turning planets into skins not that space opera thing from season 4) where dva gets the mythic and her ult can represent the Big Bang

[gloomy pike]

Who would be earth?

Illari obvs the sun

[hushed jetty]

venture?

[cloud otter]

they do eat rocks

70% rock 30% human

[mild orbit]

what is soldier 76 real name

waits its jack something

[merry token]

John Francis “Jack” Morrison

[zenith mango]

zaryas a black hole lol

[spare fox]

I thought she was Russian

[coarse chasm]

yall know the best video to watch on ow lore like all of it?

[fresh fiber]

Why is Reinhardt so old yet so fucking capable. I can't even stand up straight quickly without getting dizzy while this mf be charging at random people at Mach 5

[keen summit]

Well he is in a suit that assists him

[fresh fiber]

I don't really think so. The armor doesn't seem to have any aids other than the boosters; Reinhardt's just that strong

Also, sometimes he goes without a helmet and yet can survive smashing into concrete walls so hard that they crater. Guy is legit on some stuff

[keen summit]

It does,vwe know this

It has a entire internal system and all

[fresh fiber]

Ohhh

Didn't know that

[keen summit]

Yeah was in declassified

[past copper]

Some time between 2040-70~ science has greatly improved the human body to the point that the average lifespan has increased

[fresh fiber]

Still doesnt explain how his brain isn't tomato soup

I mean it kind of is lol

[keen summit]

Well tbf thats just pw logic, genji got punched by doom, broke a car cuz of the impact etc and was fine

[fresh fiber]

Reinhardt's just a normal German man

[past copper]

This is quite literally a future we can see for ourselves. Both the good and the bad

[keen summit]

In a suit of armor, genjis brain is also effectively just armored

[fresh fiber]

Junkrat is the most sane man from Australia

[fresh fiber]

I'm behind on the Genji-lore

[past copper]

Science and technology has drastically changed the world of OW. The only that sadly hasn’t changed much is overpopulation and global warming

[keen summit]

Its the basic genji lore though

Hes not a robot y'know

He from what we know still has a disfigured but human head

[fresh fiber]

And here I was thinking he was the non-descript robot man from the future

(Arnold please I just want to see my family again-)

[keen summit]

He was "killed" by hanzo, then saved by overwatch

[fresh fiber]

Zamn. Talk about brotherly love lol

[keen summit]

Then got this cyborg body, joined blackwatch yadiyada

hanzo was forced to

[fresh fiber]

Average brother relationship

Oh

[keen summit]

the themes of them is that hanzo is purely about tradition while genji wasnt

so hanzo for the clan had to kill him

[fresh fiber]

Yeah, Genji was messing around with Kiriko in the arcades. Hanzo was doing Hanzo things (extortion, yubitsume)

[keen summit]

genji likely also wouldve had to do it

genji just wasnt as serious

so had to die

[fresh fiber]

Did Genji actually do yubitsume

[keen summit]

well its never said what they have done