lore-discussion

[keen summit]

as solar threading at the very least allows flight aswell

However, i doubt blizz will make it this complicated

This COULD be a sick storyline, but its highly unlikely, not cause it doesnt fit but more cuz it would need actual story progres

[past copper]

Why not Ashe Ranger n BOB Zord

[tranquil orbit]

If u listen to some of her voicelines and compare them to doomfist theyre actually surprisingly more similar than ppl think

Zenyatta: True strength comes to those who accept their weaknesses.
Illari: That's not what I was taught.
Zenyatta: But it is never too late to learn.

the two were also taught to fight at rly young ages and both had roles in killing the ppl who taught them/were close to them (altho illari's was unintentional she still holds herself responsible)

i think if doomfist wanted to convince illari he could entice her by saying the whole incident wasnt her fault and that he can help her become the best version of herself

completely control her powers

[spare fox]

There's a voiceline between Illari and Sombra, Illari asking sombra for info. I suspect she's looking for info on what happened to cause explosion

[tranquil orbit]

and has plenty of reference points to say he's just like her

[spare fox]

I could see Illari joining up with Talon to pursue what really happened

I could also see Sombra/Talon falsifying info to get her to join them and work with them

or rather Talon using Sombra to plant (false) info to get Illari on their side. They would definitely want the power of the sun on their side

[tranquil orbit]

wait what explosion was this referencing

i remember the info request from sombra

[spare fox]

the one that killed the Inti people

and I also would not be surprised if it was revealed that Lumerico/Vishkar were involved in what happened either

[tranquil orbit]

tbh i think that cheapens it

i think it's much more interesting if illari was acc wholly responsible for what happened

also yh was this the exchange or a different one?

Illari: Did you see my last information request?
Sombra: I did. Aren't you taking on too much, chica?
Illari: That's for me to decide, not you.
Sombra: sigh I'll send you the relevant details.

[golden oak]

need more Illari lore in season 11

[spare fox]

yes that could be interesting. An interesting angle with that would be if she DID actually cause what happened and Talon wants her power on their side so they use falsified info vis a vis Sombra that Lumerico/Vishkar was responsible and giving her the idea that only Talon can take down those entities - or give her a chance to take them down

[twilit patrol]

[tranquil orbit]

ah i see

[golden oak]

Venture has more lore than her and they’re a fresh character

[tranquil orbit]

kinda?

i mean venture has more specific story details but i still feel like illari is the more fleshed out character

[spare fox]

just like with skins, there's no rule about how much lore a hero gets, especially in relation to how long they've been released

[golden oak]

Venture just got a comic with mauga

[tranquil orbit]

yh ik

but i still stand by what i said

[spare fox]

Zen is STILL a big ???? and he was a release hero

[golden oak]

Venture got the lore and Illari got the skins I guess

[tranquil orbit]

whilst that comic did add a few things we didnt already know i dont think it added too much to venture that we didnt already know

the main thing was rly getting to know their motivations a bit better which was nice to see

[golden oak]

It’s still SOMETHING

[tranquil orbit]

and also the fact that theyre a lower ranking wayfinder

yh but i think illari's origin story had more than all this combined

[golden oak]

Which is way better than getting nothing

[tranquil orbit]

and even that wasnt a whole story because we dont know where she is now unlike the others 😭

ik it's maybe not realistic but yk who has a rly underrated origin story video is baptiste

[golden oak]

Does that mean we could get another one from this faction, a higher rank (tank probably)

[tranquil orbit]

yes absolutely

i think it's acc v possible

maybe even someone w links to vishkar or lumerico

[golden oak]

Probably a mech tank

[tranquil orbit]

we dont know how the higher ups think abt things and i think it might be interesting to spice it up by making their ideals clash w venture's

[tranquil orbit]

sign me up

except they said they wouldnt make more mech tanks because dva's a nightmare 😭

[golden oak]

https://tenor.com/view/undermine-underminer-gif-5630951

Underminer

[tranquil orbit]

but maybe this one doesnt demech?

idk

[golden oak]

Probably

Because dva created a lot of bugs

Plus ejecting is part of dvas gimmick, copying that would just make her less original

[peak escarp]

it would be weird to have a mech hero who didn't eject

[spare fox]

we have Wrecking Ball but in that case it'd be weird to have a hamster running around

[golden oak]

Yeah we have Hammond

[tranquil orbit]

They could implement an overheat mechanic like in helldivers asw instead of a demech

Altho u can acc demech in that game asw so maybe it isnt the best example

But still theres ways around it

[zenith mango]

Is it just me or did the venture comic kinda blow

[rare trail]

i liked it

[past stratus]

is tracer homosexual?

[rare trail]

yeah

she has a girlfriend of like 8 years

Emily

[worthy rose]

I’ve always wondered why there are only a few positive interactions with junkrat, I know he’s insane but you’d think the overwatch team would realize he was born in a irradiated wasteland, it warped his mind and every hero seems to think he is insane on PURPOSE when he’s not

[spare fox]

I mean, he's not exactly a nice guy. He has a ways to go before he's straightened out.

I think his interaction with Baptiste is indicative of it all

he wants people to like him but he also wants to steal their stuff and blow things up

He's got to make the choice - hopefully in the lore in the future we'll see that choice be offered?
We saw Bap and Cass make the choice in the past

[rare trail]

iirc the wasteland only became irradiated after he was born

[worthy rose]

While that is true absolutely nobody is helping him out, they just dislike him to dislike him and nobody wants to help him through his problems

[tranquil orbit]

technically none of them have acc met him as far as the actual story goes

i wouldnt take those interactions too gospel how it will acc unfold will likely be different

[rare trail]

yeah he only knows the other junkers right?

[tranquil orbit]

some of them might have heard of him since him and roadhog are internationally wanted

but thats the extent of it i think

[hushed jetty]

currently junkeat has only met the junkers and ball yes

[spare fox]

Yeah look at his surroundings. Look at his only friend Roadhog. And how the general attitude of Junkertown towards him

I was speculating the other day that Junkrat is going to part ways with Roadhog and Junkertown eventually

Obv either wind up with OW (as a recruit or a prisoner/parolee) or Talon (recruit or experiment)

I'm sure his eye programmed to the omnic ship will come up again eventually

[dreamy shoal]

If ow is set in 2070 why does cassidy still smoke cigars? Wouldn't he be using a vape or something of that nature

[smoky tendon]

i guess he's just old fashioned

[golden oak]

Literally his whole gimmick is being old fashioned 😭

[worthy rose]

Because roadhog stole them all

[twin rose]

Yes but his gimmick is neo-old fashioned that’s why instead of using a plasma revolver instead of a regular one or having a cyborg arm instead of a hook or the like he would have a “neo-cigar” or vape

[peak escarp]

because they don't taste the same as real cigars

[tranquil orbit]

Still cigars and vapes are nowhere near the same thing

Yh exactly

U cant fully replicate cigars w electricity

[vital steppe]

his interaction with mercy straight pisses me off😭

you’d expect her of all people to be pretty kind to him and yet. jami gets fuckall 😭

[tough raft]

"have u tried bandaging ur mouth" is insane from an actual doctor

poor guy

[eternal hull]

You guys think Ramattra should’ve teamed up with Doomfist and Talon?

[peak escarp]

he did

[eternal hull]

Didn’t doomfist get arrested?

I know they talked, but I don’t think it actually happened

[peak escarp]

Doomfist broke out

that's why the Invasion happened now rather than after Storm Rising - Doomfist's arrest delayed their plans

[eternal hull]

Ah…

I only got confused because I don’t think I saw doomfist in the invasion missions

[worthy rose]

Or at least her trying to help him with the fact he is missing two limbs and he’s probably got cancer from all the damned radiation

[worthy rose]

I want mercy to go to the outback with a Geiger counter just to see how fucked up everyone is

She has not helped anyone at ALL out there

[peak escarp]

Overwatch tried to help, but the Junkers didn't want them

[spare fox]

I think all the mean interactions are setting up either a redemption arc or a villain arc for him

[vital steppe]

THATS WHAT IM SAYINGGG. LIKE DAMN. Isn’t this your JOB ? HES ASKING YOU A LEGITIMATE MEDICAL QUESTION GIRL.

[ashen sable]

any reason why !lfg isnt working for me

[merry token]

Maybe ask in another channel!

[tough raft]

yeah even if the interactions are hypothetical makes me sad they dont care bout him

[shy wraith]

I mean he probably has rabies lmao

[vital steppe]

with whatever tf he’s got going on shouldn’t mercy be wondering how he’s still alive at all

[dense ginkgo]

what would Junkrat do as junker king?

[past copper]

Bombs! Bombs for everyone! AND EVEN MORE BOMBS!

[tranquil orbit]

He'd probably cause a civil war within the first week

Not on purpose but he has the natural authority of stale water and everyone hates him

[turbid minnow]

poor junkrat

i love him

[spare fox]

he's one of my favorite characters

[kindred fern]

flying monkey

[dreamy shoal]

So what happened to Australia? Why is everyone there so.....deranged.

[peak escarp]

it's just the outback

the omnium there got detonated

[copper notch]

Does anyone have ventures lore

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/venture/

[smoky gust]

https://www.twitch.tv/entrexow

[smoky tendon]

erm i don't think this is related to overwatch lore

[coarse ledge]

this is actually dvas twitch account

[smoky tendon]

wait... really? the real d.va from overwatch?

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/thoughtless-gods/

Thoughtless Gods, the second best story in the Heroes Ascendant collection, has been posted to read for free

[spare fox]

yeah I was blindsided by Thoughtless Gods - it was the one I was least looking forward to

what's the first best in your opinion? Ashe/BOB's?

[peak escarp]

yep

really gave depth to their characters, and the Deadlock Gang

[merry mason]

||Good: seeing Hammond’s existential angst, Chao reference.
Bad: confirming wasteland zomnic theory.||

[broken abyss]

sombra is the smartest playable character in terms of lore

and dont even try to disagree ❤️

except for maybe sigma

[spare fox]

What about Winston?

[eternal hull]

In Overwatch, if you’re a scientist, you’re smart automatically

[leaden galleon]

They're the smartest of the smart

[iron plume]

I mean it's basically a superhero/villain universe
so, yeah

Anyone whose thing is being smart is at least top-of-humanity smart

[past copper]

Echo. Still learning and adapting

Give it enough time, bound to be the smartest machine on Earth

And let’s not forget Hammond. Built a pod from scratch then repurposed said pod into a battle mech and has the nohow to fix an old forgotten clunker of a ship

Also, something that disproves Sombra as the smartest is that she doesn’t know anything about the people she’s searching for

Only the bare minimum of things she knows they’ve been responsible for

[tranquil orbit]

Smartness isnt even a linear metric u can measure like fighting ability like that tbh

Theres different types of intelligence and ppl specialise in different things

U put sombra in a biogenetics lab or moira in charge of hacking and u see the picture

However considering echo is designed to learn and be a hyperintelligent ai you'd probs make a strong argument for her having the highest potential ceiling in regards to intelligence

But she has an advantage because shes an ai and doesnt rly have the limitations of a human or animal brain

[rare trail]

i feel like even fighting ability isnt exactly linear

like if you give genji a sniper and widow a sword they arent gonna do well

[tough raft]

thats what i was gonna say

i dont think its rlly fair to compare something designed to be intelligent via learning to just a person, no matter how smart she is

and also i do think sigma is just smarter than sombra :p

what did sombra do tho? create her own code or entire OS for hacking? idk exactly but still props 2 her

[keen summit]

Lots are smarter dependant on what you consider smart. Liao created sentience, winston is hella smart, ram is smart too and many, many more

Efi should also be mentionec, creating orisa at what? 12 years old?

[rare trail]

liao and efi arent playable but yea winston and ram are smart

[smoky tendon]

moira is a scientist too

and she's probably the smartest one

[past copper]

Moira is a geneticist. She works with biology

Smartest in her field maybe

But you can’t compare that to other doctors and scientists

[tranquil orbit]

Yh agreed it's just a more linear than intelligence because u can always throw 2 ppl into a 1v1 fighting arena hypothetically and see who wins

But yh you're right

[keen summit]

sombra is one of the smarter, but mainly just cause shes the best at her field aswell

lw is also up there which people forget

dude makes organic material out of light

[full mesa]

Tbf widow with a sword would probably still be pretty effective

[peak escarp]

Happy Fathers Day

[merry token]

I hope we get shown images of Benicio and Toshiro at some point 🙏

[smoky gust]

https://www.twitch.tv/entrexow

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[azure depot]

Is widow and sombra tryna kill Zen?

[peak escarp]

they seem to be trying to question or capture him

if they wanted to kill him they would have done that without him ever seeing them

[golden oak]

Besides, what would they gain from killing him?

Imo they’re trying to get some information about ramattra from him

[spare fox]

well we don't even know anything about Zen so we can only speculate as to what they want with him

he was close with Ram and Mondatta, lived in the Shambali, mentored Genji, worked with Sym in Suravasa

nothing about him though

[opaque tundra]

there are some implications that something messed up happened when he and ram met

so i think we'll learn what that was all about sometime around the india mission/plot progression

[tacit yoke]

Your takes are shit.

[tranquil orbit]

It's kind of a running joke at this point in the voicelines i find it funny how they're playing it up 😭

[spare fox]

Right?! Hopefully we don't have that resolution deferred much longer...

[tranquil orbit]

I do kinda wonder what if it's just something completely ordinary

Like my guy zen was rly just selling ice cream or something before the omnic crisis

Idk we'll see it's up to them

[spare fox]

Could be anything

[golden oak]

Literally who asked

You’re nothing but negative all the time

[half pelican]

dawg get out

[tacit yoke]

someone had to say it

literally nobody cares w those shit takes

hanzo simps needa be ceased.

[peak escarp]

stop

if you're not going to contribute to the conversation then you're not welcome here

[tacit yoke]

so do cassidy simps.

okay my apologies

[peak escarp]

first off, I'm not a simp

[tacit yoke]

for sure

[peak escarp]

and second, don't say things you're going to apologize for

[tacit yoke]

on that note, happy pride

[turbid minnow]

They might want the Iris

Because the Iris is one of/the most powerful entity in the entire game

[peak escarp]

the Iris isn't something they can steal

and its location isn't exactly a secret

it isn't powerful either

[tranquil orbit]

i thought the iris was more of a spiritual level of being how would it get stolen?

the only thing i can think of that might make it somewhat relevant is some kind of link to the single generation omnic problem

however idt zen has the answers to that and talon probably wouldnt be interested

[golden oak]

At this point I think they’re just baiting for attention

[tacit yoke]

ur here everyday get a job musty unwashed bitch

[smoky tendon]

ouch

[azure depot]

How abb u get a job instead of randomly insulting ppl abb what they like doing u cunt

[tacit yoke]

how bout you mind ur business ugly hoe and don't get involved

[azure depot]

I was the one that started this conversation idiot

[tacit yoke]

who TF are you again

[azure depot]

Learn some literature 🙏

[tacit yoke]

I don't remember you

irrelevant skank

[azure depot]

Aren't u the one who just went out of thair way to defend urself from a "irrelevant skank"

U srsly have nothing better to do?!

That's just sad

Go get a life

Srsly

U don't need any skills for McDonalds

So that's a start

[tacit yoke]

I don't remember even speaking to you, nobody

[azure depot]

Well now u are so deal with it

[tacit yoke]

ewww

why is it talking to me still

[azure depot]

Ewww why is this musty crusty dusty filthy no lifed rat here tryna converse with me 😭

[tacit yoke]

go get a gf ugly bitch instead of speaking to me. I don't wanna entertain you, fckn nobody

[azure depot]

I have one and like 3 girls simping for me 1st of all

[tacit yoke]

no one is simping for you

[azure depot]

U already are entertainment u fucking puppet

[tacit yoke]

ew

I had to laugh

[tacit yoke]

made me cringe right here

[tacit yoke]

I'm done with you bc I don't know you and I'm not giving you the attention no one else gives you. clock out ugly mf

[azure depot]

Ur whole existence is cringe 💀

Alr ima go have a blessed day m8

Also do us a favour and Leave

Thx

❤

[tacit yoke]

do me a favor and find a strong rope for ur chubby ass

❤️ thanks

[smoky tendon]

oof

discord drama can be entertaining

[worthy rose]

This is lore discussion

Like bffr

Go to general for this 🙄

<@&397922982632226816>

[keen summit]

(another note: we also dont know if talon knows about ANY of these connections)

they could likely say yes they know, but its never confirmed to be known

[keen summit]

which is likely, for echos storyline. not talon, cuz its not their problem. if they find the answer to it it would only give ramattra a solution and a reason to stop the war

[keen summit]

(also yes, it could maybe be stolen as its also something physical)

[spare fox]

yup a lot of people are assuming they want Zen because he's close with Ramattra, but in reality we have no idea why Talon wants him - maybe it's because of his brotherhood with Ram or Mondatta

maybe he knows something they want to know

or can do something they need done, or any combination of the above or none at all

[tranquil orbit]

But how?

Even if they somehow go into shambali and get to the big glowy thing

Thats more just some kind of physical manifestation and the iris itself exists whether thats there or not (if i understand it correctly)

[tranquil orbit]

My personal theory is that they want a bargaining chip in case things go sour w ram

Ultimately theyre just using ram but in its current form null sector isnt just easy for talon to deal w (we see this in 'A Great Day')

[keen summit]

We dont even know of they were sesrching for zen specifically tbf

[tranquil orbit]

So they would need someone he cares abt to keep him under control

And presumably he still has a strong attachment to zen

We cant say for certain tho

[keen summit]

The only flaw is how would they know bout their connection and what use do they have yo hold something over him when its not needed yet

[tranquil orbit]

Some basic background research would reveal the zen ram thing idt it's kept secret

They have ppl like sombra who would investigate

[keen summit]

Its not like the shambali are very open either tho

[tranquil orbit]

And as for the bargaining chip u wanna have those while u can still get them easily

[tranquil orbit]

Nah but talon have been proven to have decent intel

Not just w sombra but im sure a lot of their members we havent even met yet could gain access

[keen summit]

Yeah but again, thats why we just dont know, we dont even know of they were searching for zen specifically even

[tranquil orbit]

Yh thats why im just proposing it as a theory

[keen summit]

Ofcourse found him says alot

But even then, it could be "a lone shambali monk"

[tranquil orbit]

The only things we know for sure is that they want him alive

[keen summit]

So yeah, lets just hope next year we get sum

[tranquil orbit]

Maybe maybe

[spare fox]

Widow said "we found him" so we can infer that they were looking for him - Sombra and Widow. We don't know if they were looking for him on behalf of Talon/Doom/Ram OR if they were looking for him for one of their own "extracurriculars," most likely Sombra's

[tranquil orbit]

Even if sombra was doing it of her own accord i kinda doubt widow would be in on it

Plus there's been the indication that sombra isnt as private w her side affairs as weve been led to believe

Doomfist is ok w it for now so long as talon can still gain advantages but reaper was keeping tabs on her and presumably he has others doing this asw

[tranquil orbit]

THEY ADDED THE RED SHIRT MAUGA SKIN

finally

also illari has a portrait in the runasapi museum

idk what this means but it's the first hint at something current day which we're missing from her story

[golden oak]

She’s a prodigy

And the last child of the sun

Probably that’s why

[sullen girder]

Ok let’s call it, who is gonna be Optimus prime? I know it’s unrelated but still

[tranquil orbit]

i wonder if they even know if she's alive

this picture in the museum seems v commemorative

if it was a self-exile it would make sense

[rare trail]

"Unable to face anyone after the tragedy, Illari has isolated herself, refusing anyone’s sympathy."

"refusing anyone's sympathy" and "She is the last Inti Warrior – and she must face the world alone." are awesome things to have in the same paragraph lol

[tranquil orbit]

im guessing the isolation is completely outside of populated areas

because i wasnt sure originally if this was more of a literal take on that or if it wasnt as strict when it came to social isolation

this commemorative portrait probably confirms that it's literal

[golden oak]

I think they know she’s alive bc she’d probably at least help rebuild the destroyed area caused by the explosion
Since that’s the least she could do

[rare trail]

well given theres sympathy to refuse like people know about it and have talked to her

[golden oak]

Yeah that too

She blames herself but they know it wasn’t her fault

[golden oak]

Otherwise they wouldn’t honor her so much

[tranquil orbit]

or it could just be a tragedy portrait

they might know it was an accident but have no evidence of her being alive

due to self-exile

[spare fox]

No

I doubt they believe her dead

[tranquil orbit]

idt she'd be in a museum in this way if she was just kicking around like that

[golden oak]

We don’t know why’s the portrait there

[spare fox]

Jack Morrison was a whole ass mega statue before he was "dead"

[tranquil orbit]

it's along w other artefacts it's 100% a museum

[spare fox]

They make portraits of living people

[tranquil orbit]

idk i think the morrison statue is a bit different

that was in the ow hq iirc

in Switzerland?

not rly a museum context it's like how famous football players have statues outside of stadiums theyve played in

also he's the figurehead leader

[spare fox]

I don't think she's believed to be dead. They would have mentioned that in her origin story if the Inti were believed extinct

[tranquil orbit]

this portrait seems a lot more sombre imo

notice the closed eyes and the sunflowers

[tranquil orbit]

it was from her pov tho so we cant say for certain

either ways idt it's super important what seems more apparent is that i think this is a portrait commemorative of the tragedy in some way

[spare fox]

She's not keeping her existence a secret, just living in solitude/exile

[tranquil orbit]

im a bit interested as to what this entails tho

she's clearly afraid of the potential of her power

so it seems likely in my head at least social isolation is on the cards

[golden oak]

No I mean, maybe she contributed to her community (helping rebuild and stuff maybe) a lot and this portrait is just to show gratitude

[tranquil orbit]

staying far away from ppl so as to not have an incident like that again

[spare fox]

Yes and don't forget she's just 18 so lots of big emotions. She's only just barely an adult

[tranquil orbit]

it doesnt rly have that feeling though from looking at it

ofc we cant say for certain

but it feels v sombre looking at it

the closed eyes, the facial expression falling amongst the sunflowers

[tranquil orbit]

true however it's clear that shes been forced to grow up quite quickly

combined w certain voicelines like "i wonder if chuno misses me" it makes me wonder if she's rly totally cut herself off

it makes sense to not want to even get close to someone so as not to cause any more accidents

[golden oak]

She’s standing

[tranquil orbit]

i didnt say she was literally falling

i said looking at how her facial expression falls amongst the sunflowers

it makes her look enclosed

the angling of her posture acc reminds me a lot of a sarcophagus so maybe thats where im getting the idea from

a sunflower sarcophagus if u will

[golden oak]

She’s not Egyptian 💀

[tranquil orbit]

i didnt say she was?

why is that important

it's not like modern egyptians are buried in sarcophagus either it's just a reference point for the art

ancient peruvians even have their own if it's rly that important to make that distinction

[frosty seal]

who we talking about

[azure depot]

Mb bro but he started having a go at random ppl and it was annoying

Next time I'll take it to general

[merry token]

Illari

[wraith cloak]

Would yall say ramattra is MechE or ECE

[sharp sage]

What do these big words mean?

[wraith cloak]

Mechanical engineering or electrical and computer engineering

[sharp sage]

Oh, in terms of what, robots? Ai?

I might be dumb

[wraith cloak]

Like would ramattra be more mechanical engineering so stuff like actual physical systems like engines and all that or more stuff like circuitry and programming

[sharp sage]

Latter

He was programmed by the Anubis in lore right? Cuz he’s part of null sector

[wraith cloak]

H m m m

[peak escarp]

yes, Ramattra was made by Anubis

[sullen girder]

I’m really happy that mauga finally got his shirt as a skin. Now all that’s left is his talon skin

[tranquil orbit]

Facts

That red shirt looks glorious

Im tempted to get the battlepass just because of that because icl some of the other stuff just doesnt look appealing

I'll see though maybe I'll wait and it'll come back in the shop rotation

In a year or something

[past copper]

We got a whole lifeguard team now

I mean, two are recolors, but hey. A team is a team

Now if only we had like a team slow motion run if all of them are played

Also, looked like we got a hint at the next collab. Calling in now

Optimus Prime = ???
Bumblebee = Bastion
Megatron = Ramattra
Star Scream = Pharah

No clue who if anyone could be Optimus 🤷‍♂️

[sullen girder]

I’m kinda excited to see what the kitsune looks like on the kiriko skin

[past copper]

I mean? Probably unchanged

Bc I can’t imagine them taking the time to change Kiriko’s kitsune to match her skin

They still haven’t changed all of Orisa’s javelins yet

[grand wedge]

Roadhog because it’s the same VA iirc

[past copper]

Maybe. Although, a lot of people say Reinhardt. Which, I can understand why

His helmet kinda resembles Optimus’s head

[grand wedge]

Yeah, makes sense

[past copper]

Although, I think it majorly depends on which ver of OP they use.

[grand wedge]

It’s probably going to be characters that are standing tall and proud, and not like, half crouched or something

[past copper]

WAIT!!! Oh I got it! Why not Sojourn as Optimus Prime? She’s got all the same characteristics as him

[sullen girder]

They did that with most of her skins, I mean I did figure that her hashimoto skin was unchanged though. Especially since her skin literally looks an epic skin in disguise

[robust gate]

jq maybe. she has an axe

or actually yea rein they could just make his hammer an axe

[golden oak]

If we ever get mirrorwatch again I want the ow mauga and Vishkar Lucio 🙏

[sullen girder]

The devs were discussing it so I think it’s on the table

[golden oak]

Love this theme

[past copper]

Already love it

Not surprised they were saving this skin for Summer

[leaden galleon]

My wishlist would include those two but also:
Talon D.Va
Vishkar Junkrat
Talon Soldier 76
Talon Torbjorn
Strike Commander Reyes
Helix Venture
Junker Winston

I think Deepsea Raider Roadhog would be cool too, although we don't know too much about that faction yet

[hushed jetty]

AT LONG LAST

[sullen girder]

The devs did mention something on wanting to make vishkar lucio and junker Winston. I wonder if Winston is the junker king in this universe

[leaden galleon]

That’s one option; the other would be Mason Howl is still king and Winston is the scrapyard champion like Ball

[sullen girder]

Oh yeah, that would make sense

[bronze hedge]

OW ball
junker champ winston

i wonder if hammond would still be sassy as hell if he was in OW instead

[leaden galleon]

Yeah I think he would

I remember Dion saying the idea with Mirrorwatch is for characters to retain their identities but just on different factions

[keen summit]

(i hate how its in the worst bp)

[sullen girder]

Oh come one, at least we don’t have to pay like $20+ dollars for it, and the battle pass is not that bad

[keen summit]

it has a legendary recolor.

genji skin only changed the head of sentai.

that already factually drops the value imho and so the objective worth of it goes down

[sullen girder]

…. I thought we were talking about the mauga skin

[keen summit]

thats why im annoyed. its his best skin, one ive waited for for a while, in the worst bp

aside from preference, this bp is just worse cuz of the recolor skin

[golden oak]

I still rather buy a shitty bp for 1-2 skins than spend 20$ on a shop skin

It’s still better than s8 bp imo

[vital steppe]

Considering how big Vishkar Lucio got as a concept I’m pretty sure they’ll wind up doing something with it at some point

I don’t think they’d let the mirror watch thing be a one and done with how many easy concepts and tricks they could pull for it

[leaden galleon]

Afaik it’s the only theme they’ve publicly said they want to do again

I think Starwatch and Questwatch have room for expansion as well though

[tranquil orbit]

I kinda doubt they touch star watch again idt enough ppl were interested

Game mode was stale and the comic they released didnt rly do much

Questwatch on the other hand yeah i think so

[vital steppe]

I’m gonna be honest I think mirrorwatch may end up being used an event more so than a theme. BPs seem to make the idea of Events pretty easy dependent on what the event is. Mirrorwatch has skin concepts, hero concepts, hero ability changes, etc. The Mirrorwatch game mode seems like something they would want to keep working on and see what other characters could be added into. It reminds me of what they’re doing with QP Hacked tbh

I wouldn’t be too surprised if they did plan on bringing mirrorwatch back, it’s literally “reverse au overwatch” and that’s a concept I don’t think blizzard, gods of money and power as they are, would willingly toss that out

[fair terrace]

imo torb must shoot blanks and brig is reins son

[dense nebula]

1. Reinhardt is not married nor in a relationship of any kind

2. Torb has a lot of children

Not just Brig

[fair terrace]

so you say

but i has heard reinhardt is a playa

[cloud lintel]

Oh, goodie! New stuff being introduced in Season 11

And yet, none of those include new chapters to Invasion

Come on, Blizzard! Give us new chapters to the story mode already!!! I want to find out what happens to Zenyatta!!!

[rare trail]

i don’t think pve did well enough for it to be a priority

[cloud lintel]

Well, that sucks

[opaque tundra]

It does and it’s even more frustrating that they’re staying silent about it

[smoky tendon]

zenyatta gets rescued by genji after

[tranquil orbit]

icl i wouldnt keep my hopes up not just because of the fact that it performed rly badly

but massive chunks of the ppl working on the story are no longer at blizzard due to layoffs

theres a good chance that w the new ppl they will be putting into roles in the coming months and years that they will want to take the story into a whole new direction entirely

[opaque tundra]

I don’t think they’ll change a story that has been set up for years now

That would feel kinda disrespectful honestly

[tranquil orbit]

thats kinda how stories work because different authors have different visions for characters

it's like if u see a show has a new set of writers they will take things in a slightly different direction

maybe some of the overarching plot will be the same

but this isnt written by AI it wont be quality without any expected changes 💀

theres even been characterisation differences and some changes in the story approach from the michael chu era vs the gavin jurgens-fyhrie era

[fickle temple]

Are Siebren and Sigma two separate entities in Sigma's mind?

[opaque tundra]

Well yeah different executions and character explorations is welcome but I’m talking about the main plot. Like I don’t want some bs like the junkers becoming the main villains kind of plot change

[fickle temple]

Sigma has two very distinct tones with his voice lines and its made me wonder

If there's two beings that exist within Sigma

Obviously Siebren, the original

And Sigma, a result of the madness caused by the black holes

[tranquil orbit]

i mean it could happen so long as it develops naturally

[opaque tundra]

Oh my god please no lmao

[tranquil orbit]

i mean u say pls no but theres no reason why a new set of writers might want to do a more villainous take on some of them

like i said so long as it develops naturally im open to anything

it's not like the current "plot" is so far gone chronologically

plenty is unwritten

[opaque tundra]

Dude you don’t understand how that would unironically destroy everything Overwatch lore has built up to I was jokingggg

[tranquil orbit]

wait why would that specifically?

the junkers are a left behind ppl who are liable to come into conflict with the outside world eventually

we've also talked a lot abt it in this server of the idea of junkrat/roadhog being split up and joining talon/ow

anything is possible

im not saying that i specifically would make all of them some doomfist type main villains but i just dont see how a more villainous take on them is far-fetched

[opaque tundra]

The concept of set up and payoff in narratives is what makes stories good and not nonsensical

[tranquil orbit]

yes ofc

but im talking far in the future

not immediate term

rn they do need to resolve the null sector issue because we're in the middle of it

but ram no longer being the main focus doesnt mean the story is done

and it's not like theres been massively concrete details for said "build up" ... we mainly know the pieces like null sector, the conspiracy, talon, vishkar etc but theres still a ton of options for how these can be assembled

[tranquil orbit]

also yh siebren de kuiper is his official name and "subject sigma" is his facility name

however i acc back the theory altho mines a bit different ... moreso that sigma has his consciousness fractured over different dimensions post-accident

so it's not just 2 but multiple

[fickle temple]

ic

That makes a bit more sense than just 2 tbh

Since there are some voicelines that aren't like the

"Sigma" or "Siebren" tones

When he's talking to Lifeweaver it's 100% Siebren speaking

[tranquil orbit]

a big thing that kinda supports this is an art choice they made in his animated backstory

they did this kind of blur effect to show a lot of "copies" or a fracture effect ... at least is how i interpreted it

and you're spot on abt the voices having variations

[fickle temple]

Based on what I can find, people say there are at least 3 personalities

The usually dominant one is colder and gladly performs his "experiments"

There's one completely oblivious to what's going on (heard in his voice line with Soldier)

And a third one who's aware of the existence of the other two (likely the one that speaks with Lifeweaver)

[tranquil orbit]

he's such a good character i wish they did more with him

[fickle temple]

Would be nice if they did more with the OW cast bottom line

Arcane-style TV show would be perfect

[tranquil orbit]

icl i wouldnt get my hopes up in the short term 😭

but we can dream

[fickle temple]

Like give me a TV series either in the style of the Mauga short

Or the Overwatch cinematics

One of the two PLEAAAASE

[tranquil orbit]

personally id prefer 2d because it means that they can do better action set pieces

also probably less of a budget strain

[fickle temple]

True

I mean they're called cinematics for a reason

[tranquil orbit]

still i think if we arent even getting shorts then a full on series is far off

in those peak 2016-18 years for the lore we got around 6-9 animations (2d and 3d) a year

if we see a consistent return to form then ill be getting my hopes up for sure

because it might mean the higher ups have confidence in putting money behind a bigger project

[peak escarp]

Sigma doesn't have split personalities

his origin trailer is highly stylized

[tranquil orbit]

Cant know for certain... even if it's not split personality disorder explicitly theres a lot potential options

And we havent seen enough to have concrete evidence

[peak escarp]

there's also the devs saying Sigma doesn't have multiple personalities

or any specific mental illness

he's just broken

[tranquil orbit]

The description on the website literallt says his mind was "splintered" which means broken into many pieces

Like i said maybe not split personality disorder

But if his consciousness was split over different dimensions that bypasses it

[peak escarp]

that doesn't mean those pieces are all separate identities

[tranquil orbit]

Without it being an exact mental health condition

[tranquil orbit]

True which is why i think the split over dimensions theory has more weight to it

However idt it's possible to fully say theres no differences at play at least from a dialogue pov

I just think of it as 1 personality fractured into many pieces vs there being multiple pre-existing ones

The distinction is quite hard to get across though esp w the limited material we have

[worthy rose]

Is Tracer skillful agent?

[merry mason]

Like in game or

[karmic drift]

Lore wise I think

[worthy rose]

Lore wise

[tranquil orbit]

Yh shes skillful

Without her they wouldnt have taken down the giant null sector bot in the zero hour short

[worthy rose]

She is 27 years old?

[tranquil orbit]

28 i believe altho she biologically lost 2 years due to her accident

Also she has "weird aging properties" which havent rly been expanded upon as per Jeff kaplan

[worthy rose]

She is very popular?

[tranquil orbit]

Yh I'd say so shes kinda been the flagship character along w winston since the beginning

[worthy rose]

In your opinion she understanding that she crush among teenagers?

[tranquil orbit]

I dont rly have an opinion on that and im not sure this is the place to ask

[worthy rose]

I mean, i think yes

[rare trail]

28 could be like her age already subtracted the two years with the precedent set by meis age on the website

[tranquil orbit]

Ok cool 😭

[tranquil orbit]

Potentially

[worthy rose]

She younger than Mercy?

[tranquil orbit]

Yes mercy is 39

[worthy rose]

Who more skillful from them?

[tranquil orbit]

It depends on your definition of skill

Theyre good at different things

[worthy rose]

I mean in lore

[tranquil orbit]

Yes in lore it depends

Mercy is a top class doctor and medic and tracer is better in combat and is also a good pilot

[worthy rose]

Mercy mostly floating, so she don't really need footwear to fight?

[tranquil orbit]

Ok i think thats enough qs 😭

[worthy rose]

But more yes or not?

[worthy rose]

How you think?

[severe osprey]

What is this conversation 😭

[worthy rose]

Hm?

[nova wave]

any1 wanna join a tourney, Winning team gets 10$ per team member. And will be put together based on skill and vibe. (( DM ME IF YOU WANNA JOIN))

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[bronze hedge]

i like to think of it that sometimes his common sense, thought process and personality sometimes just dont appear

as in like

he might talk with common sense but no personality sometimes

or viceversa

his ass is just lobotomized 💔

[sand snow]

bro is clueless

[keen summit]

Well, she also walks and wants to keep, as a doctor, it sterile

[worthy rose]

And what about Tracer?

[keen summit]

Shes running around, course she needs it

[worthy rose]

Her soles would be sore?

[keen summit]

You know stuff can be.. on the ground? Sharp stuff?

[worthy rose]

Isnt they have some kind of regeneration?

[keen summit]

No.

Qnd them again, why would she? She would slow down for no reason

[worthy rose]

I mean, she can lost them in battle or when saving someone

[keen summit]

And?

[worthy rose]

She would have no time to find others

[keen summit]

Why?

[worthy rose]

How in battle she would have time search for new sneakers?

[keen summit]

no. they wouldnt come off.

[worthy rose]

They can be damaged from fire and obstacles

[keen summit]

so can clothes.

but i doubt you are actually talking about this logically. you just want characters to not wear shoes

[bronze hedge]

if you want a character without footwear play fire emblem

[keen summit]

or any hoyoverse game, or SIGMA

[worthy rose]

Well, she might lose her sneakers during a mission. Here are a few p Tracer's speed and agility can be a double-edged sword. If her sneakers aren't securely fastened, rapid movements and swift direction changes could cause them to slip off.

In high-stress combat scenarios, she might encounter traps, sticky surfaces, or other environmental hazards that could cause her shoes to get stuck or pulled

Close-quarters combat with enemies might lead to situations where her sneakers are grabbed, pulled, or otherwise forcibly removed during scuffles.

[keen summit]

alright, just say that you like feet.

in war scenarios, or just with tons of robots theres sharp parts everywhere, that can legit destroy your body easily

[worthy rose]

Well, you ask how she can lost them, i tell

[keen summit]

thing is, it is absolutely illogical. hence why i came to that conclusion'

its legit searching for excuses to why a hero shouldnt wear shoes

a few things tho, the design doesnt always need to make sense, most of the time they dont. thing is that at the end of the day shoes do make sense in what they do, all of the heroes have logical reasons to wear them and the only one who doesnt, has a logical reason why he doesnt

[worthy rose]

I mean, she can lost her sneakers in some scenarios, but i don't say she need always be barefoot

[worthy rose]

Illogical?

[keen summit]

yes.

the fact she could theoretically somehow lose her crocks doesnt change the fact that wearing them is better, if losing the corcks is enough of a problem then that means they are important enough to not be lost.

she also has well, a jacket, which would come off WAY faster

[worthy rose]

She not anymore wear crocs
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cd/61/83/cd6183454d55456484910c07b08f3b36.jpg

[worthy rose]

So important?

[worthy rose]

In some skins she don't wear

[keen summit]

yes, as those arent canon

[worthy rose]

Winged Victory
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGxJFmeXgAEeQUT.jpg

[worthy rose]

You mean her?

[worthy rose]

Why they aren't canon?

[keen summit]

because theyre skins.

[worthy rose]

Well, but if she lost them in battle?

[keen summit]

she wouldnt lose them.

and even then, that wouldnt matter in your argument as you are trying to say it would be fine without shoes, hence why its illogical what you are trying to say

[worthy rose]

I mean, its not be fine, but she would concentrate on battle than on sneakers

[keen summit]

thats why she wears shoes, because otherwise she owuld need to watch where shes walking.

[worthy rose]

But she teleporting

[worthy rose]

Isnt she teleporting mostly?

[keen summit]

she walks around too, sprinting around and stuff, keep in mind its not really teleporting, its moving herself forward in time practically. so say shes walking from a to c, her blink is more or less her skipping b and going straight to c

[vital steppe]

why are you jumping from several different characters to try and explain the fact u just want bare feet in game 😭

[worthy rose]

As for Mercy, as i know she not working as doctor in her suit

[worthy rose]

Shards would be for her really great obstacle?

[worthy rose]

So she mostly sprinting?

[peak escarp]

why are you discussing heroes footwear

they would have reinforced shoes that can't be punctured

[rare trail]

arent mercy's shoes like built into the suit

[worthy rose]

No i not

[rare trail]

it is pretty weird how mercy is like wearing heels but ig its just a design choice

[swift notch]

they just want feet in the game

[peak escarp]

and you guys are humoring them

[smoky tendon]

it is so she can slay

slaying while flying

[worthy rose]

Slay?

[smoky tendon]

yeah, slay

pardon my french

[worthy rose]

What you mean by that?

[smoky tendon]

erm forget about it

[acoustic ice]

do you guys think techno polka would sound good

or what would it even sound like

[peak escarp]

techno polka already exists

and it slaps

[golden oak]

We living in rein’s childhood 😭

[proud thistle]

What makes Echo so special compared to any other ominic?

[golden oak]

Advanced learning capabilities

And she’s not sentient

[proud thistle]

Can't all ominics learn?

[golden oak]

Yes but she does that exceptionally fast and effectively

[proud thistle]

huh

[past copper]

Basically, Echo’s learning capabilities is on par with Task Master from Marvel

But on a much faster scale

[proud thistle]

task master?

[past copper]

Not lore related, but to put it simply, TM can copy others fighting styles on almost the same level as them just from watching them with his photographic memory

Echo can basically do the same thing, but whether or not it’s only their physical capabilities remains to be seen

[golden oak]

She could probably like learn to pilot a plane just by watching someone do it once

[past copper]

She did. She pilots the dropship in the Story Missions if players use Tracer

She more then likely learned to do that from Tracer

[sullen girder]

You know what would be the cherry on top for the mythic Ashe skin? If she had a victory pose where she’s holding a staff like Rita repulsa

[worthy rose]

Genji ball

[zenith mango]

Why wasn’t Anubis destroyed

[twilit patrol]

[tranquil orbit]

ram even has a voiceline where he says that anubis shouldve been destroyed

[zenith mango]

Yeah that’s why I asked lol

[peak escarp]

Anubis wasn't destroyed because they thought it would be useful

[past copper]

They didn’t destroy it simply because they wanted to study and understand why it suddenly went rogue

Something that would be wise to learn about and prevent since there are other god programs around the world

And while having been deactivated, there’s a chance they could suddenly reactivate and go rogue like Anubis did

[vocal nimbus]

Got nitro

[fickle temple]

I just heard Venture's voice line with Reinhardt in reference to Eischenwalde and

I'm sobbing

[alpine peak]

mei got leaked

[worthy rose]

Huh

[keen summit]

that was my point as to why they wear shoes, its logical

[keen summit]

research mainly aswell

if they know why it went rogue, they could potentially create a better god program afterwards who they can control

[smoky tendon]

what do you mean by that

[golden oak]

They’re kinda dumb for believing that

[acoustic ice]

i need the best techno polka song out there rn

[haughty bluff]

Yall think mauga gave baptize hiv and that’s why they broke up

[bronze hedge]

im not even surprised now

im just giggling

[tranquil orbit]

True but it's also kinda the textbook "we thought we could control it" mistake thats used so often in sci fi stories

Considering it's still kicking it's highly likely that anubis will be relevant to the plot at some point later down the line

[vital cargo]

I wish 🙁

[golden oak]

Who is venture dancing with? (This is an official spray apparently)

[peak escarp]

where is that from?

[smoky tendon]

looks fake to me

[half pelican]

oh its that one person w/their oc and venture

theyre on tt also doing that trying to make ppl believe a new venture short w/their oc as their partner is real LOL

[tranquil orbit]

It's not altho it is convincing

Even valeria fell for it 💀

[azure depot]

Looks like sym

[peak escarp]

you have to imagine sprays small

that wouldn't make a very good spray

[golden oak]

Idk, there’s this big ass spray with overwatch members photo

[peak escarp]

which one?

[smoky tendon]

bro fell for the tiktok bait

stop scrolling on tiktok dawg

[hushed jetty]

fanart i fear

although some good ass fanatt

[haughty bluff]

yall think if i put rocks in my ass venture would eat me out

[ruby ridge]

I wish roadhog was real so he could sit on you with his smelly aura

[old solar]

yea

[past copper]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[tranquil orbit]

had a scout of runasapi and here are some findings

museum area has this broken solar threading device (presumably from illari's accident and it's been moved from the training centre)

we can see it over in the horizon there just like in her animated origin story

[keen summit]

Anything well very interesting?

[tranquil orbit]

there are also these plaques all over the map that seem to resemble it altho im not sure for certain

and also this painting is everywhere which might mean something

the painting looks like an earliest version of the settlement but im uncertain why it's repeated so much

im still searching for somewhere that might look like a place where illari might live (similar to the meka base for dva) but i cant find anything

it's mostly shops, seems to be very touristic + also the museum section

cool easter egg that they use the runasapi theme for this room when u walk in

btw this map is probably the closest thing we've gotten to solar punk so far

[spare fox]

The re-use of the same painting(s) on maps is something they do a lot

[tranquil orbit]

but it's repeated A LOT

like i think i could probably find 4-6 of the exact same plaques and painting

id also normally agree if they werent pictures of things that seem to be v tied to the lore of the location

it could be just a case of assets being re-used but i'd like to think otherwise

[spare fox]

It's assets being reused

And probably even more so than in the past with all the layoffs- it's an obv corner to cut

[tranquil orbit]

it's interesting though because then why include them on these posters

couldve left this wall blank yet it still gets repeated

also seems to be a festival honoring Inti the sun god going on

this is a solar energy power core that seems to be powering the entire location

and Intitec seems to be the main solar energy supplier

also im personally putting bets on illari living at the top of this mountain because why not

[digital linden]

there is a plaque on the front of the solar threading augment memorial and i’m not sure if anyone’s translated it but google gives a very shit translation that’s probably wrong

awqallikuna intip akchiyta apamuwasqanch ikrayku yupaychanapaq

to honour the enemies for bringing us sunlight

which doesn’t sound right

[tranquil orbit]

wait how can u see the text

for me it's just blocks

[digital linden]

it’s the only thing in writing

[tranquil orbit]

maybe it's just for higher graphics settings potentially dyu mind sending an SS

[digital linden]

i’d show a picture but i don’t have perms LOL

[tranquil orbit]

ah

sorry i cant do much abt that 😭

i believe u tho

[digital linden]

yeah but it’s something along these lines

enemies doesn’t sound right tho

another example of google translator being terrible

[tranquil orbit]

considering illari is the reason why that threading machine is broken

it might tell something abt that

[digital linden]

potentially

[tranquil orbit]

idt she's outright seen as a menace tbf because she has the portrait up

but it's a fairly sombre piece despite all the sunflowers

[digital linden]

yeah i was abt to mention that

maybe she’s the sole protector of runasapi? like an orisa situation or she’s just gone completely solo and is on her own out in the wilds

and they did this to honour her

[tranquil orbit]

and i also think indicates that she hasnt been around in a while because it's literally in a commemorative museum

i think it's the gone solo alternative

likely after such an accident she sees it as safe for everyone else if she keeps her distance

[digital linden]

yeah that’s probably most likely

i like how they took out the solar augment machine and made it an attraction tho

[tranquil orbit]

"Unable to face anyone after the tragedy, Illari has isolated herself, refusing anyone’s sympathy." from the OW website

[digital linden]

ahhh

[tranquil orbit]

she's totally on the top of the mountain 💀

[digital linden]

it’d be cool if she had like a little house up there and she lived with her lama

[tranquil orbit]

yh i was searching for something like that

[digital linden]

i wonder if null sector threatens peru she’d step forward

[tranquil orbit]

but the fact there doesnt seem to be anything obvious indicates she doesnt live here

or here exactly

maybe in isolation close by

[digital linden]

yeah, probs distanced herself as much as possible

[tranquil orbit]

tbh it seems so safe i struggle to imagine how theyd even get there

it's so high up and the terrain is so mountainous it might be difficult

[digital linden]

true it is in a really tactical position

[tranquil orbit]

idek where a null sector carrier would even land tbh

unless they just drop from the sky which is an option

[digital linden]

no clue, i’d guess the massive farmlands down below runasapi

[tranquil orbit]

yh thats another option asw

[digital linden]

also about the farmlands i’ve noticed there’s self automated watering machines which is obviously really useful

runasapi seems like a really secure civilisation

[tranquil orbit]

i also forgot to send this list of bus stops

bus and cable car seems to be the main transport to get in and out

[digital linden]

yeah

[tranquil orbit]

but i looked some of these other ones up and theyre all places of significant incan heritage in peru so that was a nice touch

[digital linden]

oo that’s cool

there’s also like weird floating airships in the sky??

no idea what they do

[tranquil orbit]

need to take a look at those again i dont remember

are they near the cable cars or maybe i just cant see them on my graphics settings like the plaque text

[digital linden]

just looking out in the farmlands but i saw them outside the spawn room windows

[tranquil orbit]

this is my entire view idt i have them for my settings 😭

oh shit i can read the plaque now

idk what happened before

also i think these could v well be tourism posters

one of them matches the peru one found on antarctica so it could be part of a tourism campaign for the festival

[golden oak]

Btw if you’re scouting for details, make sure to put graphics on high or medium at least because pretty sure some assets are not visible on low graphics

[tranquil orbit]

i did medium this time around it's the most i can manage

[golden oak]

I remember when for the pachimari event they put maris or of overwatch heroes all over the map you couldn’t see them on low graphics

I learned thru social media that they were even there

[grand wedge]

Did you noticed the Oasis logo’s in the research centers on both spawn rooms?

On the agriculture side

And the other side, « research society »

It could link Illari & Runasapi to Oasis and other characters…

I can’t remember the logos tho… first one is genetics I think, but idk the second one…

[tranquil orbit]

good spot

i think most likely it has something to do with the research technology side of things and probably isnt super related to illari specifically

but rather the solar technology and agriculture side of things i can defo see some colab w oasis going on there

theyre v much the leading scientific minds that we know of

[grand wedge]

Yeah, it’s good to see Oasis not forgotten. With Jack & Sombra, now this

[tranquil orbit]

there's always somehow the outside possibility that illari was genetically engineered by someone working w oasis to have cranked up power

but thats pretty out there i think

and there isnt enough evidence imo to roll with that

[grand wedge]

We need a better translation of the quechua on the memorial

[tranquil orbit]

Yeah ive been trying to ask around to see if anyone can speak

But no luck

[golden oak]

I think that’s specifically ministry of genetics logo

So that’s why Illari has so many interactions with moira

It’s still like clues only and not many answers
I hope we get some novel or comic soon

[spare fox]

I wonder if it's info from Oasis that Illari requested from Sombra

I wonder if Illari wants to try to re-establish the Inti

[tranquil orbit]

Whilst it's an interesting theory i have some doubts because she never finished her training and doesnt necessarily have the capabilities without some guidance

(This is where doomfist comes in 👀)

[spare fox]

well that'd be why she needs the research

[tranquil orbit]

It could be but still i think it's just 1 step away

Theres also the matter of her acc refamiliarising herself w the society which shes clearly been alienated from to some extent

Lot of unpacking to do that im not sure can be done w just 1 request from sombra

But it could be 1 part of maybe finding her own teacher?

[spare fox]

... what are you talking about refamiliarizing herself with society?

[tranquil orbit]

"Unable to face anyone after the tragedy, Illari has isolated herself, refusing anyone’s sympathy." from the OW website

[spare fox]

she isolated herself, "current day" in lore is around April of the year after her incident - when she turned 18 the previous December

she didn't go off and become feral in the woods...

[tranquil orbit]

She also doesnt seem to have a room in runasapi and all evidence indicates that shes distant

[tranquil orbit]

Im not saying she became feral but idt she stays around ppl out of fear of causing another accident

It makes sense

It's a lot to unpack

The fact we also cant seem to find any illari voicelines for runasapi also raises some qs

[spare fox]

I could see not wanting to use her sun powers around others but she can associate with them just fine on an individual basis

[tranquil orbit]

Idk i think she blames herself and she feels immense guilt

She couldve well killed several relatives or loved ones of ppl she bumps into

Just walking around

Thats pretty crazy baggage for an 18 year old if u see where im coming from

[spare fox]

yes but that doesn't mean she's off in the woods alone

[tranquil orbit]

It takes time to undo that

[spare fox]

yeah

[tranquil orbit]

I think it's A logic follow on

Not a certainty

But i think it'd make sense shes in self exile and not rly talking a lot to the ppl around where she grew up

After all how could u knowing u killed so many of their loved ones even if it was an accident

[spare fox]

yeah that I believe

[golden oak]

I think she was contacting Sombra to learn why the ritual caused a disaster
Since solar power can be turned into electricity and lumerico being energetics company it would make sense for them to try to get rid off the inti
Sombra obviously has a lot of info about lumerico so that’s possible

[tranquil orbit]

I thought this mightve been something until i found that theres a different company running the solar energy in runasapi called Intitec

If Intitec has some ties to Vishkar or Lumerico then maybe

Still i think it's more likely that it was indeed a full on accident and illari is just trying to find herself

What form that takes idk but im still going w it's to find someone new to teach her

[golden oak]

Well as the name suggests, intitec could’ve been run by inti tribe
And since they’re competition it would make sense for lumerico to try get rid off them

[spare fox]

That was my original theory as well and I'm not totally giving it up

it's just that the presence of Oasis's research labs - specifically genetics - in Runasapi presents yet another option

[golden oak]

Genetics and tech

[spare fox]

lots of strings

[tranquil orbit]

Icl the main reason im against the conspiracy accident theory is because i think it takes away from illari's character but not allowing her to make the mistake or misdirecting responsibility

My personal opinion is that it's a lot more powerful story telling if she grows off her mistake rather than turning this into sombra conspiracy 2.0

But thats just my take everyones entitled to their own

[spare fox]

but Illari didn't make a mistake

[tranquil orbit]

From her pov she did thats whats important

[spare fox]

she did everything that previous Inti initiates did

[tranquil orbit]

And i think what makes a character strong is how they move forwards

[golden oak]

She did no mistake that’s the point

[tranquil orbit]

Yes but from her pov she did and thats what she needs to get over

[golden oak]

She was confused

[tranquil orbit]

Thats her personal challenge

Not finding out why things went down if there ever was another explanation

[spare fox]

I could see her wanting the genetic research (aquired via Sombra) to possibly attempt to reestablish the Inti again with new people and that could be "fixing her mistake"

[tranquil orbit]

This i prefer and i think would be a much better long term endgame

Like i said tho i think she needs 1 more step to get there

[golden oak]

She would have to work with moira tho

[tranquil orbit]

The issue w making the story all abt finding out who did what and influenced this is at the end of the day it never truly addresses how illari feels abt killing all those inti

[spare fox]

so does Sombra. and Sombra even said "are you sure you know what you're getting into"

[tranquil orbit]

Sombra said something like shes taking on a lot or something right?

[golden oak]

No I mean moira is literally the minister of genetics in oasis

She runs the shop

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh we might even be overextrapolating here it could just be the voicelines were more hypothetical we need for sombra to come into contact w illari first

[spare fox]

the thing is in true character-based storytelling, the character always wants something at the beginning of their story that runs contrary to their true needs and them learning that is the story

so right now, Illari wants to figure out what she did wrong but what she needs to learn is how to take the info and become a hero not just another Inti warrior

[spare fox]

I meant Sombra has to work with Moira too. Sometimes to get what you want you have to work with people you don't like

[tranquil orbit]

True however i still think we need more evidence to know if THIS is the specific route we're going down

My main fear w launching another conspiracy type story is that theyll leave that as the resolution which would not be v good for her character

[spare fox]

I disagree - it could be excellent for her character to realize that she's not like others in society, even Inti society, and she's a hero capable of finding out, trackign down, doing her research etc etc

[golden oak]

Sombra and moira don’t seem to hate each other tho
Sombra just doesn’t like what she’s doing to sigma but other than that they’re chill

[tranquil orbit]

I just think the rabbit hole doesn't rly address the issue of responsibility

[spare fox]

I think you're grasping too much onto the whole "if she needs info from Oasis that would mean working with Moira and she hates Moira so that can't be it"

maybe she hates Moira because she does or will have to work with her

[tranquil orbit]

Ultimately even if it was an accident she has a responsibility and duty towards making up for it and not finding explanations

If explanations is just half of the story then im calm w it

[spare fox]

she's not responsible though. She didn't cause the incident: I think we can infer that much. How could she have caused it?

[tranquil orbit]

If you kill people by accident you're still responsible

Thats why manslaughter exists

[golden oak]

I think she might want to know what went wrong

[golden oak]

.

[tranquil orbit]

That one off line probably isnt enough to give a concrete indication

Truth is we need to see her in an actual story

All this rly shows is that outside of the breadcrumbs theyve given us we still need a lot more to get this off the ground

[spare fox]

she believes she did something wrong, but her story is about her realizing that not only did she not do anything wrong but she has the ability to figure out more and address it

[tranquil orbit]

We're basically half in agreement half in disagreement

I just think the finding out more isnt rly all that important or interesting for her character

The addressing is rly what i think makes her interesting

U can have both i think but the 2nd part of that needs to be the priority imo

[zenith mango]

wait so what did junkrat show jq and hog and hammond in his short story

and why doesnt jq just kill junkrat

and why does she want to kill hog

[peak escarp]

Junkrat is comedic relief

and JQ doesn't want to kill Hog

they have history

[zenith mango]

good or bad

[peak escarp]

unknown

[zenith mango]

then why was she willing to execute him in friendly rivaly

rivalry

[bronze hedge]

possihly good considering how hog haves respect for her

iirc he calls her queen? respectfully

in one of the voicelines

[zenith mango]

why was she willing top execute him thenm

[peak escarp]

for entertainment

[zenith mango]

thats it?

[peak escarp]

JQ is a simple woman

[zenith mango]

but she seems to sort of like hog

so why sould she kill him

[peak escarp]

maybe she didn't actually think he would die

[zenith mango]

also is yhog only with junkrst bc money

[peak escarp]

yes

but Junkrat gave up his treasure, so maybe Roadhog will change his mind about working with him

[zenith mango]

the treasyure is the plane thing right

[peak escarp]

yes

[past copper]

It’s an omnic carrier from the Crisis. Not a plane

[zenith mango]

do u think hammond will ever try and find wisnton

and what reason does soldier have to work woth sombra

[past copper]

To find out who destroyed Overwatch and why

And when you search for that answer with 0 leads for years, you become desperate

Desperate enough to work with an enemy

[zenith mango]

wasnt overwatch destroyed cuz of blackwatch\

[sullen girder]

I’ll be honest, I like the song for the mythic skin. You know how there’s a theme song that plays when you customize the mythic skin

[rare trail]

blackwatch started the investigation into overwatch but there was supposed to be shady stuff outside of blackwatch that got them shut down

[tranquil orbit]

There was also plenty of other issues it was a deteriorating organisation

The reinhardt and ana incidents

Jack and reyes yapping at each other all the time

Several members who for reasons valid or not were not well suited to resolving tensions in a post omnic crisis world because of their own prejudices

And thats before u get to all the illegal shit

A lot of the responsibility does lie inwards

[grand wedge]

So, I asked T4 what the Quechua meant on the memorial

"To honour the warriors who brought us sunligh. »

[glad zenith]

Did u guys see the meteor

[keen summit]

which?

[keen summit]

ah i saw now. interesting.

idk it could be as they said a teaser but ngl, i kinda think its a dumb teaser if it is cuz well, we already know its a hero from space so its not a shock

it feels like less of a teaser and more a cool detail cuz both choices of what it could tease are already known exactly what it is

hence why i miss old hero teasers, there we really didnt know often and were speculating, here we are speculating if its transformers or spaceranger teaser because we already know bout both

[spare fox]

can anyone confirm whether the meteor/comet was there prior?

I want to believe but I have severe doubts

did the Mauga shirt count as a teaser or just a plain easter egg?

[grand wedge]

It wasn’t. And sevral T4 just answered with 👀 emojis so…

My bet is on the Transformer teaser - but it would be great if it were for space ranger

[spare fox]

it might be both I guess

though we haven't gotten any in-game teasers for collabs before, have we?

not that it means we never will

[tranquil orbit]

Theyre saying transformers related

Idt it would make sense for space ranger because shes v much LIVING on mars

[tranquil orbit]

They mightve made an exception for this one because it's probably the biggest franchise/name they've done a colab w in ow2

Outside of maybe porsche but imma be real idt anyone cared abt it 💀 it was mainly just because they were a sponsor for OWCS

[spare fox]

that figures, they make more money off of the collabs...

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh i wish they did more of this for lore related stuff

They used to do it a lot more often w building anticipation before the announcement rather than just telling us

Like imagine if we had the chance to work out who space ranger was before they announced she'd be the next support hero

[spare fox]

yeaahhhhh

but that doesn't make them money and requires having a narrative team

[tranquil orbit]

Tru on not having the ppl

But i kinda doubt it's a money issue adding like the occasional asset here and there isnt too bad and u probably generate excitement which theyre also lacking rn

Alternatively they could try some of those in universe news articles/tweets again

[spare fox]

yeah but they don't have a big narrative team anymore to plan it

[tranquil orbit]

But yh ig now they just dont have anyone to work on that stuff anymore

WHY DO THEY KEEP DOING THIS TO US 😭

[spare fox]

collabs and balance changes are 99.5% of what we have to look forward to going forward

"Overwatch is a PvP game"

[tranquil orbit]

It's funny because then ppl are like we have all the stuff we asked for but something still feels missing

Like we just dont feel excited for stuff anymore

Like fucking hell i wonder what 😭

Theres definitely not an entire section of the game that was extremely popular in attracting new players that had its staff disappeared over a month

[spare fox]

yeah well