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yeah i dont think zen's powers are canon but if we're talking faith he wins lol
Is it just me or is Lúcio fruity
dont disrespect my boy
Zen or Hanzo
hananzo
Mei
doesnt she have a weapon that breaks international codes of war
Zenyatta is still an omnic, which makes him stronger than any human
Yea but with tech she could just freeze him
Mei is also less experienced in combat
And he shoots metal balls as the speed of bullets
Don't think that's cannon
Like the orb of discord
@peak escarp off topic, but have you updated your Cassidy time in your bio recently?
Back on topic
A lot of abilities are only seen on the game side
E.g Mercy cannot bring back the dead in lore
But in game, it's one of two of her abilities
Aside from damage boost and average support shabang
Hes a master in martial arts
he trained genji
At least partially
And that guy's kicks sent a like 4ton mech FLY halfway across the room
currently none of zen's kit is canon except maybe the orbs he tosses around actually
not the healing/discord ones the normal ones
i think he handed sym an orb of some kind in her short story
I think all of his powers are cannon
but not the way we see them
as players
Like he kind of has dnd bard magic
manipulate wounds and emotions with woven magical words
but we see those as discord and harmony orbs
Discord just makes someone weak I assume
I mean if a robot-man with telepathy gave me vietnam flashbacks just by looking at me id be pretty fuckin weak too
i think discord and harmony are supposed to be metaphors for the way he uses his words or whatever
or so i hear
They could feature some kind of shambali monk fighting techniques in the future if they wanted to
To explain the harmony and discord
personally i think zenyatta deserves to beat someones ass
HOLD ON
If lucio can use soundwaves
to heal and speed up people
is it a stretch that zenyatta focuses on spiritual energies?
aka people who believe in the greater good get healed when around him
and people who have an evil purpose get weaker
Idk if it'd be exactly that but something along those lines maybe
Theyre not afraid to go down the "spiritual energy" reasoning if they dont have an upfront scientific explanation as shown w kiriko
i dont think he can
I was thinking something a bit more like fighting style likes like discord would be like some martial arts that use an enemy's momentum against them
like in lore i think lucio just works through the power of hype. no literal healing or speeding people up
Yeaaaa power of hype lets break it down!
Altho i think his soundwaves do have a quality to them
I forgot the specifics
But there was a voiceline so i imagine theyve at least thought abt it
he "speeds people up" by providing a rhythm to fight to
same principle as sea shanties giving a rhythm for sailors to work to
Lucio has not canonically healed anyone, but he does use his sound barrier in Hero of Numbani
Thats a lucio mythic idea right there 😭
Lucio's mythic better have 3 music options
Fr it's criminal that none since the jazz one added new music
We will see. I wonder tho if season 11 can hold a candle to what season 10 did tho
People loved Mirrorwatch
Also wondering if a DPS will get the mythic skin next. They’ve waited longest now
I’d hope for maybe a mythic Venture. But new heroes don’t get that lucky
In terms of the theme probably not if the leaks are true
Sensei Asa trained genji in combat and overwatch
Zen was just a psychological mentor
Hyperpop Lucio
We don’t even know what the theme is and the leaks aren’t completely reliable
What leaks
fair if u dont believe them but it seems to be a kaiju/monsters theme
which they have discussed before
idk if im allowed to put them here
but theres a shot of skins from roadhog, lucio and zen
Ohhh those
I’ve seen the Kaiju stuff, but we can’t assume anything yet
Yeah I remember now
yh ofc theyre just leaks
Could be just a shop theme also
but judging from how those looked i might pass if it's a whole season of that 💀
hopefully
After all, some people make pretty realistic looking skins
Either that, or they could be for later seasons 🤷♂️
Although there is a matching tentacle Lucio that kinda looks like the free epics we get from bps
this might be an out there take but i think the reason ppl cared slightly more abt mirrorwatch compared to the other battlepass AUs they made was because this was the only one directly linked to current lore
in that it's a reversed-ish AU
We know we’re getting a new map
compared to starwatch which no one cared abt
Which means we finally get more lore on the mysterious Illari
if clash launches we'll also get hanaoka and potentially the anubis rework as the 2nd map
Yeah lore skins are cool but also it got a new mode for it
Which made it even more hype
modes are cool temporarily but they die off
Don’t know if Temple of Anubis returns alongside Hanaoka. Least not in season 11
the staying power was from the concept
they said clash launches w 2 maps
so unless it's something completely different
but looking from the end of the venture gameplay trailer it seems like thats a shot directly from a rendered map
and not a cinematic
Did they actually mention kaiju is gonna be one of the themes?
i believe so
I remember them saying Egyptian, eldritch horror and witches
But I don’t think they said anything about Kaiju
idk if it was mentioned w the others
but it's not the first time ive heard abt it
mightve been mentioned in a different interview/context
If it was mentioned then not on blizzcon
Kaiju are big this year tho with Godzilla and Kong movies. So not impossible theme
Skins take long to make so doubt that was intentional
kaiju was indeed not mentioned
eldritch horror and mirror universe we already got, and the others we know abt are egyptian mythology, witches, and uh thats it i think
so theres like what, 3 themes we dont know of yet?
Getting another monster theme is weird
Between all of that, safe to say which ones aren’t coming til Halloween Horror and until the Anubis map drops
true youd expect a bit more spacing
like another mythology season rn kinda makes sense
We got beasts vs hunters and eldritch horror which also had some monsters
esp for the summer
True. But we did get Greek and Japanese mythology right next to each other tho, I think
beasts only had one monster really (also the season was lame but we shant speak on that)
Honestly I was expecting Egyptian mythology this season because venture is an archeologist so it fits very good
and eldritch horror is a very different genre of monster from kaiju
tbh i prefer the idea of like an anubis ram mythic skin personally
but thats mainly because i saw concept art
Imagine if Kaiju had a game mode where you and team fight in a miniature city map
That be cool
I’d say big octopus and big lizard is pretty much same vibe
these ones seem to be a bit more "cutesy" skin on them if thats the word tho?
like the leaks have zen in a fluffy looking godzilla outfit
theres a difference between big octopus that invades your mind and big octopus that beats the shit out of a metropolis
One is an interdimensional space monster and the other comes from an island or the sea on Earth. Big diff fr
I’m not saying venture would get a skin for this theme but it would fit to release mythology skins alongside an archeologist hero
oh yh for sure
Well, maybe Anubis can be the next theme, but that would probably make more sense for season 12
Bc you know Venture would get the mythic for that event
But who knows. They seem to be going a new route with who gets mythic skins
there was never really an order
they seem to release randomly between roles in cycles of 3
tbh even that they cant stick to
I mean, the pattern was simple. But Mercy getting one right after Moira went out the window
because theres too many dps heroes
well yeah at some point we're gonna get a lot of dps mythics in a short period
Next one is dps 100%
we're pretty due for a dps mythic right now id say
Either way. DPS have not had a mythic since Hanzo in October
if it is indeed kaiju themed uhhhhhh hm who could get it
big scary bastion?
oooo
So makes sense the next one goes to another dps. But who remains to be seen. Depends on the theme
I’d look at pickrates
pickrates from like a year ago mind you
hanzo isnt rly that popular
He used to be
ehhhh
his a mid tier in terms of pickrate
cass, soldier 76, widow, sojourn all come to mind
Well I said most not all
fair enough
thats fair but thats partially because of the previous meta being so heavily focused on burst damage
I think blizz just looks at data from lower elos mostly bc that’s where most of the playerbase is
tracers way more popular than hanzo generally speaking
Not in low elo
Hanzo was popular partly bc you could spam and get kills
what are talking abt when we say low elo
Bronze-plat?
yh i can see that i guess
idk maybe my thinking abt this is skewed but i think abt popularity much more in terms of like otpness
i mean there are humans in basically every godzilla iteration i guess it's just down to them who to pick
Well that too
There’s a lot of genji mains and genji has the highest dps pickrate so he got the skin so early
he's pretty much joint most popular w mercy over the course of the game i think
made sense
and thats from like a fan pov
Ngl I wasn’t expecting mercy as the mythic for mirrorwatch
Hello
Like keep in mind in overwatch lore Gabriel rejected the position of strike commander so he could work on blackwatch
It would make perfect sense for an alternate universe for him to be the strike commander
I don’t know anything about overwatch lore tbh so I am going to read this channel for a bit
Anyone recommend a YouTube channel?
check everything in the pins
theres plenty of good YT stuff there and more
Ty
So I could see Reaper mythic, Doom mythic, maybe Winston mythic and even Soldier mythic
Dva saying ew to McCree/cassidy will always irk me. Don’t do him dirty, just say not my type pls
yeah but it's in character
I think she says that because she looks at Cassidy as a sort of higher up/mentor because she was recruited by him
tbh i wouldnt deep it that much the dialogue was mostly jokey
agreed it's in character because dva likes some snarky humour
Don’t forget he’s much older than her and it’s probably why she said ew
Dva is 21 and cass is almost 40
Ehhhh not really in lore dva is so different
Considering bob was ashe's butler from young that puts him bare minimum mid 30s tho
It's not insane for a 21y old to be attracted to someone way older superficially
Relationships are a different thing
Depends, Shooting Star Dva was different
But ppl have celeb crushes on ppl they havent met and theyll be like 20 years older than them 😭
Oh and Cass smokes, smokers are gross they always smell
True
I'd say ewww to that and I'm much closer in age to him lol
I acc rly like the smoker theory now 😭
Im just imaging it playing out
Youd think also by the 2070s or whenever it's even less common than it is now
My s/o comes back from stopping by at his chain smoking mother's and he and his clothes STANK of cigarettes. I'm pretty sure cigars would be much more potent
It might be so bad you can tell when Cass was in a room recently lol
I live next to a room where the previous person living there was a chain smoker asw and i can confirm
It was so bad i couldn't even stay in there for longer than 20min 😭
The smell seeps into the walls and floor
so was comic version
well yeah, and he doesnt even use say vapes, its actual old cigars, not cigarettes even older than that, gotta be helle pricey
On the topic, you think weed is still relevant in the timeframe ow takes place?
If so, who’s most likely to be a stoner?
yes ofc
i doubt any of the ow heroes are stoners
or addicted to anything to that matter, maybe cass to smoking but thats it really
I'm pretty sure all except for Winston and Mei would at least partake occasionally lol
hog seems most likely as yknow he has it hard, has travelled cuz of their crime and is already a criminal and as its not legal everywhere yknow
i doubt it, i doubt that most would
doom would think it puts them back, mauga probs would, sigma would maybe but eh, sombra might but i kinda doubt it, widow defo not, moira only for experimentation
It’s probably what’s in his weird flask thing
Mauga imo is probs the most likely
He's probs got a bong the size of a bowling pin
mauga and hog would fit
mauga cuz he just wants to have fun
hog cuz well he just wants to be calm
who knows mauga could even have it for medical reasons at first but then kept goin with it
the rest i honestly dont see happening
junk would much rather for example make a weed bomb
honestly lw i wouldnt be surprised with if he had tried once to see what nature can do
Lw also strikes me as someone who'd do a bit of dabbling
wouldnt surprise me if they use weed alot in talon field operator ranks
as the stress from it n stuff and criminal org so even in places where its illigal it would happen
This i feel like depends on doomfist
I get the feeling he loves a discipline narrative
i think doom himself wouldnt, but would allow it if it allows them to work better and improve
he doesnt want them to be held back by stress
and previous leaders would want to sell weed, not use it
Idt thats how that works 😭
I think he wants then to be constantly stressed lowkey
Lead through fear
And respect
That's just my guess tho
Mauga is most likely to evade this however
it wouldnt surprise me if he would be alright with it if they improve cuz of it as it follows his philosophy. but it would likely be in a "perscribed" way
If it's some prescribed medicinal doses i wouldnt even count it tbh
welll thats also using it
but thats what i meant
in "prescribed" in moiras ways, ways
who knows they might use it on sigma too to make him even more oblivious
Sigma i think u might need something a bit more potent 😭
with moira, i dont doubt that some might even get it without knowing it, you could fill a room with it say with sigma and make them stoned without them even chosing
Theyre probs putting him to sleep w something super extreme
its moira, i wouldnt be surprised if she makes "superweed"
like honestly. with moira i would not be surprised if she made it stronger somehow
Nah i just dont think it'd be super weed like a rly high strength chemical
but as overwatch doesnt want to promote drug abuse i doubt itll ever be confirmed
Straight horse tranqs 😭
we dont know, as we know nothing of sigmas situation
Yh but it's funny to speculate
but yeah the ones who are most likely to use well weed just for fun or cuz they feel like it reguraly would liekly be hog and mauga, dabbled in id think lw
moira probs has tried it for science
ram if he was human probs wouldnt
cass i think would have tried once aswell, same with ashe but again not reguraly
and jq maybe
and if my theory is correct bap mightve done it once in the past to get off stress when he was in talon, but as there is 0 hints its unlikely
and maybe genji has once or twice, but i think its more likely he preferred when he was mad to stay mad
did cassidy and ashe been in a relationship b4?
widow… cowabunga!
Nah, they were js partners in crime
Theyve kinda gone back and forth w it
Michael chu was v against it iirc
The new writing team under gavin was a bit more open minded to it i think but wasnt rly giving confirmations
And now we dk again
Icl i dont think either of them would be good for each other thats a toxic heap waiting to happen
Cassidy flirted with her a lot, but she shut him down
However important to keep in mind this is a confirmation in a tweet and easy to retcon if anyone ever wanted to
Not that i think they should or shouldn't but yeah
It was probably like
“Ashe be my gf”
“Jesse I’m aromantic you fool.”
Not canon but I feel like she’d be aro
All she needs is her best friend and butler, Bob
whos her best friend
Icl i cant see ashe getting into a healthy relationship but it's less her beint fulfilled w bob and more the fact she hasnt rly had a good model for what a healthy relationship looks like in her entire life
Like I said, she’s always got Bob to lean on
Wait I just had an idea for a bastion pride skin
Ally bastion with a rainbow Ganymede
The ally flag is black and white with a rainbow arch on it
dont think is lore related
How can kiriko and the shimada brothers train together younger having 15-20years of difference?
here we go again
Iirc her mom taught them all at the same time
Genji could’ve been late teens to early 20’s and she was a little kid
Older brother kinda thing
we have ages
I know, I’m just giving a rough timeframe
coulda guess
still feels weird
she has 2 different ages
wdym she has 2 different ages
blizzard did an oopsie
Yeah she’s like 20
Where’s the proof?
yep they did not think about it
chronological age is 26 and biological age is 21
thought older like 34 for chronological age
nah
it would make sense I hardly see 25yo genji tripping over his sword
It’s Genji, he probably would anyway
Genji and Hanzo would have been in their late teens if we follow her given age of 21
When they were training with Kiriko and under Kiriko’s mom
Like “ryu- OHSHIT”
bro is a skilled ninja
this doesnot make no sence genji looks only like 4y older than kiri
Yeah I just hold a strong personal belief that the artist who drew this wasn’t given Kiriko’s age
that would make sense dialogue wise ig
I truly think that they were just given a general prompt of “young Kiriko training with young Genji and Hanzo” and they assumed Kiriko to be around 7-10 and Genji and Hanzo to be 13-17
yep
and that would make more sense
Kiri has an emote where she nuzzles her fox, think the shimadas can do the same with the noodle dragons?
do they not depict all of them as like
kids
in the time they trained together i mean
did they NOT depict hanzo and genji as like essentially the same age as kiriko... am i missing something here.....
OH HEY THERES A PICTURE
jesus christ kiriko looks like a sphere
the dragons aren't real like the kitsune is
Spheriko
this had no right to make me laguh as much as it did
i do think the artist was told kiriko was like a lot younger than genji and hanzo but i dont think they had like ages set in stone
Anyone got any Lúcio lore they can toss me?
is uh
Reaper and soldier dead in this timeline
Cuz the bomb actually killed them
Instead of them faking their deaths or wtvr
First, they never faked their deaths. The explosion went off and they caught with the rumble of the base
Jack escaped it and Gabriel was taken by Talon
Second, we don’t know what happened to them since they were never apart of Overwatch in the mirror world
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Wrong place to post this. Get it outta here please
Its more likely that there was mo confirmed age, 21 and 37 training together would make yoy think she also should be around the late twenties
Not be 21 atleast
Cuz "childhood friends" usually isnt more than a 10 year gap
Read my message below that one
Where I do not say they were given confirmed ages and were instead most likely given a general prompt
Cuz tell me say you were 21, would you consider a 5 year old a friend usually?
Thing is 21 never made sense, cuz also when the shimada fell apart in kirikos story was way too recent
The ages frankly dont add up, its likely they just wanted kiriko to he this relatable young adult character for people to project on as shes already written as a self insert
Everyone is gay and they have a big ass || orgy || at the end of the story
Cool.
Everyone laughed, god you are hilarious, in dutch we would say "je bent zeker het zonnetje in het huis"
they could make kiri like 30 and her appearance would still match, so i don’t know why they just don’t
a lot of characters don’t really look their age
Venture's VA btw for ppl who dont know
Is this maybe something extra beyond the comic? 👀
I'm pretty sure hinting like that violates the NDA. Part of an NDA is that you don't disclose anything even knowledge of the thing
Hope they don't get in trouble with blizz
they tease stuff all the time the mercy mythic was done like a week before the trailer
or maybe it's just some audio for the comic? Few VA did some dub of the short stories at some point, why not the comic?
Man i hope its some sort of cinematic
I guess i can dream… (it will never happen)
Depends on how strict the NDA was
They talk A LOT compared to the other VAs so i hope theres no trouble there either but still you'd think that this isnt too much
I wouldnt mind this it acc seems pretty likely considering the timing
Cinematic also seems relatively possible as a way to promote the next season (2 weeks timeframe fits this quite nicely)
Theres also the possibility that maybe it's some kind of announcement for OW at the xbox showcase on the 9th but i kinda doubt it because it's too soon and probably under 100% wraps like 0 loopholes in that NDA
I really hope so cuz we’ve been lacking venture content ever since they released
Just like we lacked mauga content when he released as well
You all must be new to the OW fandom lol
We’ve literally had Mauga lore around the time Bap was released
And Venture literally just dropped 3 weeks ago with no hint of them whatsoever until then
Seriously. They’re not gonna drop a movie script length bio on a new hero a moment upon release
Mauga acc had quite a lot more than most heroes on release
Helps that he was in the works for so long and was in baps story tho
I think it's a valid concern though that we seemingly dont even have a full backstory whatsoever which this comic needs to address
We know 0 abt the wayfinders, why venture is so dedicated to archeology etc and thats not something super detailed these are basics for the audience to acc know who the character is
Atm the most popular thing weve latched onto is the rock eating joke and thats literally something WE made up 😭
Im not
I play since 2018
I stopped playing when ow2 released bc i hated the battle pass thing and the fact they got rid of loot boxes
I only got back into it for venture
Yeah i meant when it comes to skins, cinematic and such
The only animation ive seen of mauga is that one of him, sombra and reaper
Exactly
We dont want a full character lore as soon as the character releases
But we want to know the basics of the character
We don’t know why venture joined overwatch, why they like archeology, what are the wayfinders? What’s up with them all and talon? We dont have ANYTHING about venture at all.
They weren’t even capable enough to release venture with a decent skin or a good highlight intro
All we know is that they have a grandmother. They live in canada, they’re latino, they are an archeologist and they hate talon. That’s all
Yuh all because in the venture development article on the blog they made a joke about venture “chomping on rocks”
Then you should know that Blizz drip feeds the lore for some heroes at that, and others get nothing for years both release heroes and new heroes alike
Just saying don't hold your breath, Mauga was a rarity that he got featured in a little short last dec
I do know that, and that’s the point, just because they do it doesn’t mean i agree with it.
Blizzard has been teasing venture so much ever since blizzcon, so proud of themselves that they made venture, their first non binary hero… they honestly never cared about the character and only released them to get more gay ppl into the game lol
In all honesty, venture is just a money grab, and it’s working, good for them ig that they barely have to make any content for the character
Weird take but ok
how is Venture a money grab... there's nothing to buy for them
They were just released, already have a unique "origin" video that had a tease of the overarching story, they're getting a comic soon. That's more content than half the heroes got in the first 5 years of the game
Yet that is
they're a useful character in the game, not a "money grab"
They yoinked my money when the ice cream skin dropped and I forgive them because best skin ever
What’s funny about that is a week prior I made them in papa’s freezeria (an ice cream game) because I love them and that skin dropped, I was like “OH FUCK I PREDICTED THIS”
i know that, i simplified it.
gabriel was on the brink of death tho
thats why moira did what she did
and jack escaped "faking his death" as said in the icnematic
cinematic*
so my theory
is in mirror watch
neither of them escaped
and they both fucking died
i just read the main parts of the lore yestarday
Idk if venture was necessarily a money grab but i also think they werent necessarily treated w as much respect as their past characters in crafting them... like they let their standards slip for the excuse of oooo look at them so silly
However this is massively dependent on the comic that piece can literally change everything
It could just be a case of the initial roll out being a bit clunky
I mean, they didn’t release any skins with Venture and the only unique ones are either in shop or Twitch drops
Pretty sure the new direction is new hero = free release, leg/epic skins = in shop
Not sure how to feel bout that, but given the coins now in BP, I can take or leave it 🤷♂️
Doesn’t matter to me. New hero a new hero
Lucio's dad is still alive right?
…no
yes
after they saved Rio Lucio's father Benicio sent Overwatch an email thanking them for supporting his son
Idk why everyone (fanon) assumed he was dead prior. Lore only said that Lucio's dad while working for vishkar developed tech and vishkar confiscated it, then Lucio stole it back
because some of the dialogue that mentioned him used past tense verbs
which isn't really conclusive
Bro what
How were they even a money grab? They were free, got no skins etc. Also their charactarization is actually good
Honestly i read this back so i could see what this os about. This os extreme nihilism. Venture is very well charactarized beyond non binary and making them seem "just non binary" is actually showing more of your character. Theyre one of the actually decently written heroes because how well it all stays consistent
I disagree massively w sayinf their characterisation is good as of rn
For reasons weve both said above we know v little about who venture actually is beyond surface level personality
Thats not to say it cant change im hoping the comic will basically act as the true introduction to their character and we rly get to know them properly there
And also yh i never said money grab myself
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The strongest heroes in the lore are Winston, Orisa, Doomfist and Mauga. Sigma, Symmetra and Lifeweaver are potentially stronger but their power is speculative.
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vneture comic venture comic venture comic venture comic
I forget they’re nb half the time I just like playing them
comic TODAY
needs to be a banger
Is it today?
june 7th
Is it Canon that sombra could knock out a city's whole power using her E.M.P?
I 100% believe she could but I don't think she would
she doesn't seem to like targeting people without money/power so there's a lot of working class people who would be negatively affected
tbh i see it moreso the other way
if it meant she got something she wanted she'd absolutely do it regardless of the consequences
if she rly cared so much she wouldnt be willing to join talon and be complicit in what they do
it's what separates her from someone like baptiste
i think she generally has shown she'll sometimes do things for the greater good but her selfish interests come first
comic is OUTTTTTT
MAUGA MY KING
of course he's still shirtless at a gyat damn archeological site
bruh they don't know what they're looking for wtf
so doomfist sending out the Talon grunts and Mauga like grandma sending grandpa to the grocery store
where can i read the comic?
overall it's pretty decent a bit on the lighter side of details still
i like that we at least got a bit more of venture's motivation tho thats nice to see
i also like that we know a bit better how they fit inside the wayfinders
so is every comic
I mean it's not that ''incredible''
nah i agree it's a bit on the lighter side
nobody said it was
but it still had some stuff i was looking for that the origin story cinematic didnt have
Yeah
tbh idk why they didnt just animate this
wouldve been much better and probably not that much longer
because animation costs more
That's what I wanted to say but not only that
Animation takes probably longer than a comic
true but also it means u only need to do 1 work instead of 2
?
as in scrap the original 1min video they did and maybe just try for a 2min animation w this story
is what im saying
why
because that 1st cienmatic is redundant ash
this was a lot better
as an introduction to venture
and u even still have a fight w talon
They basically were the exact same thing, only different locations, but the comic had mauga and sombra for basically no reason
yh the sombra cameo i wasnt a big fan of ngl
thats my only major gripe w it
felt very mcu
Me neither
ohhh look heres sombra ... why? oh idk why not.
Very mcu but it's entirely open-ended and we may or may not get follow up, let alone resolution lol
just like the mcu cameos lmao
Because Sombra knows everybody
i get that but im also not a fan of it when we're just doing things for the sake of it
Yeah
if they wanna do the whole eye thing thats cool
but pls just follow through w it
yk what i mean
Sombra is there because she wants to use Venture for something
yeah but it didnt need to be in THIS story i think is the issue
Also I like how mauga was like "take everything" but Venture was like SWIPER NO SWIPING so they stopped and left
they left because the police were coming
whack a mole was pretty funny
mannn
now i rly wanna see this one animated
I hope we get a continuation
i def dont see why they wont add more
the wayfinders could SOOO get so much lore added
maybe well see more wayfinders added to the game which would allow more venture lore
also since sombra said shed be in touch again at another point, this could mean we could see more added on through voice lines or seasonal lore or more likely another comic/short story
the fact this comic is also titled Venture's Adventures like the short makes me hope this becomes a mini series
i wouldve hoped the same if it had a vol1 attached to it
Ya know something, it’s cool to see OG maps like Illois being used for something other then a limited time event
It was literally the only map among the originals that didn’t have any lore to it
Although, right now the map that has no lore is Malevento
malevento has a little lore - Talon is stockpiling weapons there at least
colosseo doesn't have any lore iirc
colosseo has remote-pilot gladiator fights
I think they were referring to story or character-relevant lore, not just world building
worldbuilding still counts as lore
well yes, but I think they were referring to specifically story or character-relevant lore
hence saying how Malevento doesn't have any lore tied to it
but so far, Talon has looked in Illios and Shambali for whatever it is they're looking for and it wasn't there
and Sombra knows where it is
hmm
So I have an idea that I'm not sure would fit well with how to lore works
So it's this blonde that is a dps and is training under McCree (idgaf if he is Cassidy now he is mccree) and she is kinda like an adoptive daughter but the whole story of him finding her is that after the collapse of the world or whatever the hell started ow's lore, he finds her as a 10 year old scientist. Said scientist' laboratory got destroy via an experiment with those little bot thingys for the pve side of ow. Because she was a genius she easily picked up how to use the revolver but since the handle was too big, McCree and Winston made a special two-shot revolver using holo-tech (like Reinhardt's shield) and McCree's dynamite. It has a scoping zoom in of 1.25 and deals 150 per shot, and a deflect ability that when PERFECTLY blocking a bullet (you have 2 frames to deflect it) it goes down the barrel of your gun and you can fire it back (just wait lore implications incoming) so iirc widowmaker dislikes McCree and on a mission with McCree and Cassidy (the 10 year old not new McCree) widowmaker kinda shoots him but Cass deflects it and fires it at the ground. I like the idea of a daughter figure for McCree but not sure if broke
Holy shit long message
they would never make a 10 year old a playable hero
also it completely ignores lore
which means this isn't the right channel
Bruh didn't even know anything about lore other than a couple character names. So cringe
a human ten year old
isnt orisa like 2
that might be echo
i .. forget
Orisa is 2
but she's also a robot
Echo is 14 but she is also a robot
the youngest human is Illari, at 18
bro rlly said idgaf if hes cassidy as if there isnt a completely valid reason mcree isnt his name anymore man
getting sick of these mcree glazers its a shit name anyways 😭
Ik but how does Cassidy sound more cowboy than McCree yeah I get the whole so case but that's the fan boys of ows fault
🫶 thank you
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cassidy 😭
1 sounds better, 2 sounds like a fanboy trying too hard
this like completely ignores every second of overwatch lore
does anybody else feel like the timeskip between recall and zero hour is too long?
idk two years just feels like a rlly bad response time from everyone that's not tracer and mei
I agree, 2 years before everyone shows up is a stretch
Just introduce magic imo no way a flying spirit fox is technology
i firmly believe its magic of some sort
kiriko's whole thing is her grandmother was a devout follower of the fox spirit and we are offered nothing else
hanzo and genji's dragons too
I mean didn’t they say somewhere that they weren’t trying to lean into magic but moreso tech like hard light for Hanzo and Genji’s dragons? Also.. why would they be the only ones who can control them? High tech security or coOool generational magic or something? Are they really dragons in human form?.. so many wonders.
I also find it cute that Sigma knew Winston and Mercy before he went crazy :3
Scientists gotta stick together. Also makes me wonder if he knew Mei through scientific studies/meetings/seminars
its like
been confirmed as magic for ages now
Then I'm lost in the sauce
iirc that was just a theory by the fans
i mean like they have said "no magic" before but its unclear what they consider magic
its possible the dragons were originally envisioned as smth else
but as of rn its like spirits
Dunno its confusing to think about
The comic has made me love Venture even more
That is my nb wife and I will protect them until I die
their dragons is a clan/family thing
anyone in their clan can
👀 even the janitor?
hanzo said it in this video ow made when him and gen were fighting he said "only the Shimada could control the dragons"
LMAO IF THEYRE BORN INTO THE CLAN THEN YES
Amazing
yeah when they were fighting when gen was a cyborg hanzo had to ask who he was to find out that was genji it was crazy to see hanzo's face
genji was saved by mercy too
arent the only ones born into the clan like
genji and hanzo??
theres leaders
i wonder if their parents could use dragons
yeah
its possible that its like genetic in some sense and the mom married in
so like
it was given to them by their dad
and it would make sense if their dad used a dragon or spirit of some kind because of how hanzo says "a shimada" which implies more than just genji and him can use it
Who has the thiccie
?
yeah
what
im sick and tired of seeing this sukuna simps
mei was stuck in antratcia in a cyrofreeze lock thing
she's mentioned in Declassified: her name was Rumiko and she abandoned her family
oh ok
i was talking abt if u search up their clan and backstory u dont see their mom
at least from what i read
Genji and Hanzo's dragons come from spirit weapons, which were made for the Shimada clan by Toshiro Yamagami (Kiriko's father)
oh ok
how does kiris work?
was i still techinally correct? the vid said only the shimada could use it
kiris?
kirikos
oh her abilites?
kunai is her damage, suzu is her healing
the suzu is a charm that helps her allies be invurnable for a brief time
and takes away negative affects
it's a magic spirit
oh ok
uhh im not sure
i would assume the spirit weapons are like
bound to genji/hanzo somehow and not just anyone could use them given what hanzo says in dragons
Ladies and Gentlemen
What is Sigma's lore?
I'm too lazy to watch the video about it
check the pins u can find all u need there first hand
but short answer is he was an astrophysicist who did an experiment gone wrong w a blackhole
Thx mate
he now has weird gravitational properties and is currently in the possession of talon
I know the talon part I just need to know how he floats
Amazing
also in other talk i was looking back at some old sombra related stuff and i was looking back at this image
the big diagram w the conspiracy at the centre that weve seen more and more recently
interestingly enough apart from all the orgs having some connection to it theres 1 hero face there
and theyre connected to reinhardt
i might be completely wrong but this could be hivemind because i believe they were responsible for the hostage situation that eventually saw him get retired
this was hivemind's original design from project titan - emphasis on the big headpiece that could maybe be what that picture is showing it's a bit hard to make out
best guess is that hivemind is worth looking out for, esp because theyre also in a sort of virtual/hacky kind of design
not to mention a resemblance to the null sector headpieces which is also now starting to get me ideas
maybe they'll be a hero someday
Hive mind is bee brains
Since he likes bees he has a cute beehive on a moutianside
Out of the rainshadow ++ OOO spooky
And he eats jam toast as he visits
And collects honey very respectfully and responsibly
The end

She sounds interesting
ah i see
i used they because i couldnt remember thats my bad
yh i have a feeling that if she ever turns up it seems likely theres a connection there
theres no one else rly connected to reinhardts story that would be anywhere near this conspiracy thing
that we know of at least
New lore idea: bastion went to one of diddys parties
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ok
So, anyone think whatever Talon’s searching for is related to or the same as what Sombra is searching for?
Makes you wonder not only how deep her conspiracy goes, but how old it is too
Heh. I can already guess where this situation is going. Talon’s and Sombra’s search will go full circle and return them to Temple of Anubis
What search
Also what’s the deal with the Genji and hanzo heroes of the storm canon thing
Is it canon or what
Talon’s searching for something specific in ruins while looting them and nothing in heroes of the storm is canon especially since that game died
Heroes of the Storm is not canon
I can see Venture and Mauga being friends if he wasn’t part of Talon, the way he was impressed when they explained an artifact was honestly cute
Wouldnt be surprised if theyre literally tracking her moves somehow
Ever since it was revealed in the masquerade comic that reaper knew abt her deal w volskaya ive had the theory that it's basically in doomfists favour to let sombra do whatever she wants
Because if he keeps tabs on her she'd indirectly lead him to some interesting stuff
Sooo, are Genji and Hanzo Are actually the dragon in human form or is it just for edging us
It was just a story
is venture the only person who we dont have a name fior
look im not the smartest boi
They have dragon spirits that they can control (i think?)
their weapons create dragon spirits
How does tracer shoot 40 bullets in 1 clip if she uses pistols? I'm not educated on guns like at all but don't they only hold like 6 bullets?
It’s not actually bullets or clips. It’s energy
firstly, its magazines not clips, secondly its 40 bullets across two guns so 20 bullets each, thirdly, pistol magazines can hold more than 20 bullets, and fourthly, tracer uses sci fi guns that she reloads by just spinning them so they arent supposed to be realistic
I was always under the impression that she locally rewinds the guns to reload
i guess she can rewind like her clothes and like stuff shes touching
be she probably cant rewind like individual stuff
and if you watch the animation it looks like winstons gun reload
Wild How hanzos father still managed to give him more trauma than his mother who abandoned him
I guess psychological abuse is worse than emotional neglect? idk
I guess it is, just further shows how bad their father was
He suddenly grabbed my hands ang pinned me on the wall. I can feel his strength but more than that, I can feel the tension between us two. We're too close to each other. It makes me feel anxious, nervous and weak, but I must admit, I like it- the way he hold may hands and this feeling he's making me feel.
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My question is why didn't they make it to where if genji and hanzo use their ult genji can control the dragon and make it go another way
Like in the cinematic
I think just practicality, but genji can deflect the dragon ult and make it his own so they did try to incorporate that type of ability with the dragons
He can?
Like while he's using his ult?
Ohh shi he can
Yeah he can
He can deflect snowball initially
It’s the deflect i guess
So How did widowmakers skin become a purple blue when her skin color was tan?
it's because her heart rate was slowed down so she doesn't have as much circulation - which isn't what would really happen but it's the science fantasy aspect of it
Thank you that had been sittting on me all night 😅
this is what Widowmaker looked like before Talon's alterations
my wife 
not a skintone I would call tan
probably the same thing that happened to moira’s right hand
Btw it’s weird how in skins with regular skin tones (like nova, Kerrigan, rose lily, captain lacroix and the new one) all of them have a different skin tone
Nova and Kerrigan are skins of a different character, so that can be explained
Saint tropez - weird pink tint
Rose lily - very warm, almost orange-pink
Captain lacroix - very cold and pale
yeah it is inconsistent
It might be the blush in rose lily skin but I’m not sure
I think the pink tone in her skin with the Saint-Tropez skin is was makes it look weird
pink swimsuit on pink skin
Also the blond hair and green glasses just don’t work together
This might be one of the worst attempts at recolors
Idk if you’ve heard about the seasonal color alignment but I think widow would be like a winter so cold colors work with her the best
That’s probably why blonde hair on her just looks odd
I think it's not since Hanzo Can Litterally Summon a dragon from he's Arm
the short story "Where Honor Lives" confirms that the dragon comes from the weapon, not his arm
that was just a stylistic effect
it comes from his tattoo
Ah hell nah
Yeah exactly
But he just said it's the weapon
Which is strange cuz Hanzo didn't keep the same bow for 50years straight
Bruh
it was made for him by Kiriko's father
?
A couple voiceline Beetween Hanzo and kiriko are not joyful
that's mostly Hanzo just being grumpy
wasn’t it because he didn’t help with the hashimoto also for killing genji?
Is kiriko mad at hanzo for killing genji or is it rlly js hanzo being grouchy
we don't know if Kiriko knows that Hanzo almost killed Genji
or what she actually knows about the fall of the Shimada
considering she was a child when it happened
Oh alr
I always figured that Kiriko was disappointed in Hanzo for running away and abandoning them
overthinking about it, i feel like the only infinite ammo that makes logical sense to me is illari’s since she like gathers sunlight into her hand to then reload
most of the other heroes surely must have limited ammo realistically because where else would they be be pulling out ammo from
as for the pistols of mercy, tracer & dva + echo’s fingers, i’m not sure how they work
this doesn’t really count but like rein and brig technically have inf ammo
more like they don't have ammo at all
you can’t necessarily have infinite ammo if you don’t have ammo to begin with, i agree lmfao
I just found out winston loves peanut butter he’s always talking to athena about it
And he likes to bother tracer at night
Yes 😂
Yeah they mever even talk bout that which is dumb
Well not bother, theyre just close
What if all overwatch maps were as big as their cinematic counterparts?
Well pve was planning to make em bigger but most of the maps we saw in cinematics arent much bigger or smaller tbh
The only two that would be quite alt bigger iirc would be kingsrow and volskaya as the Paris map isnt really connected dieectly to zero hour location in paris
And toronto ofcourse, but that we had in pve
Venture comic is fun
A person just said in ows that sigma was autistic and i was just baffled that that was what they thought of all thibgs
People like to project themselves onto characters and make headcanons of it
Imo it gets old really fast, especially when they insist it is true
yeah but nothing, and i mean nothing insinuates him being autistic.
thats also how some sjhips originate
In the case of OW basically all of them 😭
Theres so few that even have any evidence behind them
Apart from like maybe 5 or so
Surely tracer and lena?
cuz otherwise it would be quite a few others yeah
bap is the only one with any actual hints in cast
to both mauga (kinda i dont see it tho) and ofcourse lw
Mercy w pharah and genji also have some indications but idt either will materialise
Mainly because it'll upset the others whoever they go with 😭
i dont think itll become anything
hence why i didnt mention it cuz like it wont be poly
Tracer and Emily
Preach
If they confirm either mercy ship there’s gonna be people upset
Tracer and Emily? Lena is tracer’s name 😭
i hope we get brigs love interest news sometime
she has a voiceline with lucio iirc? where she mentions having a crush on someone
The one w lucio is abt lyrics which could just be related to poetry
But it's her voiceline w tracer where shes teasing her abt seeing someone
But considering she was a bit reluctant abt it w lucio maybe shes making something for a special someone that she rly wants to perfect
I know it's not the popular ship but I do like the idea of Brig having a crush on Fareeha
Their voicelines together are sweet
btw guys, which characters are LGBTQIA+, bc ik that tracer is lesbian, Sol. 76 is gay, Venture is Non-Binary and ik Zarya has to be something
baptiste is bi
lifeweaver is pan
tracer and soldier are gay
venture is nb
no one else is confirmed
pharah is also lesbian
oh yeah ture
there’s no straight ppl ?
none confirmed to be straight
but Ana, Reaper, Torbjorn and Widowmaker have been in straight relationships
I thought everyone was straight except for lifeweaver and tracer
no
Zarya is nothing, women can just be strong. If zarya was it wouldve been confirmed last year like with bap and pharah
Like most games, we dont need to know each heroes sexuality, for all we know the others could be anything really
I also dont think we need to know each hero's sexuality.
brain rot omg
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i dont even know what thats supposed to mean
it's not worth knowing, just shit posting
Hammeh posted a lore breakdown vid of A Friendly Rivalry and he was also speculating at the future of Junkrat and Roadhog's partnership/friendship
the more I hear about it, the more I think they're going to part ways in the future. Probably not on the worse terms, but Roadhog just wants to go back and live in quiet and join back up with the Wreckers and Junkrat winds up either (working for or as an experiment) in Talon or on a redemption arc in OW
i hate that my brain just can't let go of how this vehicle on Esperanza is supposed to work 😄
i guess its just a bike that happens to also float
although this begs the question what the hell the pedals are there for instead of just a gas pedal
perhaps when you pedal it generates the energy to make it move. somehow
when someone is riding it, the rider weighs down the tire so it makes contact with the road
when it's idle and unoccupied, the whole thing floats
So the theme for next season is ultrawatch and the leaks were likely some kaiju related stuff
It's not rly my type of thing but maybe they launch some kind of comic or maybe the unique mode has some lore tie ins?
the leaks looked like the typical "monster of the week" style villains
I hope there's a themed game mode
probably will be
maybe something like the demon king mode we saw in the fantasy season
tbh that was a missed opportunity where they were kinda telling the dnd type story w tracer and co
couldve acc been kinda interesting if it was fully fleshed out
What in the world? This is definitely something alright
Honestly, his looks like fun
Reminds me of the Bug Hero 76 skin
yeah same theme
by using your brain and thinking, "do i ask gameplay-related questions in a channel titled lore-discussion?"
Is the movie coming out “the wild robot” lore accurate bastion?
Ah. So it’s like that Power Rangers and Kamen Riders
In retrospect, that Kamen Rider Soldier skin shoulda been a dead giveaway
I just saw the trailer and was like “overwatch 3?”
Pretty sure that robot is more based on that robot from the anime Castle in the Sky
Which, when you think about, both were the inspiration for Bastion
"gentle robot discovering nature" isn't exclusive to Overwatch
tbf it's a common trope
wall-e and iron giant come to mind
it's also adapted from a book asw i read it ages ago
so theres many layers of different overlapping influences there
So….. we are basically getting a power rangers season?
More or less w some monsters mixed in i think
Maybe one of those 5 skins is the mythic. (I don’t play as sojourn but I hope that a new battle pass skin)
they wouldn't show off the mythic without hyping it up
Maybe they’ll give us another anime collab this season
Tbh i think theres no colab this season we'd probably have heard news abt it
Bare minimum it wouldve been hinted at the xbox event
This i can see why they kinda left it out it's gonna be a fairly standard non hero season i think
we haven't heard anything about this season because they haven't released the trailer
we never learn about collabs before the season trailer
Sometimes theres some news circulating around
me personally if i win we get some kind of mauga mythic considering his va was literally in a power rangers show
but thats absolutely not happening
Wait why not
i mean i guess it COULD happen
Tank mythic is completely possible
i feel like we're getting dps this season first of all and second of all if they did release a tank mythic it probably wouldnt be mauga yet - i'd imagine ramattra would get one before him
Thats fair
Im having trouble guessing who it could be at all tbh
Tbf no one guessed mercy last season so ig thats how it's supposed to be
Zarya
zarya mythic would go CRAZY
actually it might be dva
considering she's in a mech already
I was gonna say dva asw but i chanhed my mind cos the porsche colab wasnt too long ago
And she was v much the main focus for that
But at the end of the day whatever sells well is the priority
As if that would stop them
please dont tell me dva x lucio is true🥹
Its time for DPS mythic
it isn't
Hmm would Cassidy or Soldier get the next mythic
Since they are the top 3 most played DPS
I kinda doubt Soldier since he already has a skin for this theme
And Cole clearly isn’t getting the mythic since his skin is on the trailer launch poster
also they wouldnt look at top dps now it wouldve been like a year or more ago
and Reaper
We can rule out them as mythic at least. Yes and Reaper
Kinda wonder if Bastion is on the board for a mythic skin
(another ana skin????)
widow? as the mythic?
possible but thatd be odd to me
dva seems most likely to me
yeah tbf she had a recolour in the shop last rotation
wouldn’t mind ashe tbf like different variations of bob??
ana got a skin last season too uet here we are so i dont think thay matters
ashe would be nice
ashe power ranger and bob monster
and the season before
or bob as some sort of mech
real exciting part is maybe finally some more illari info
i hope that we see talon activity
wouldnt be shocked if talon was digging around
cuz that might finally tie illari in with the story, that maybe like venture illari fights talon
i mean, imagine seeing a big explosion somewhere, theyd love to abuse that
my ideal illari plot still is her getting captured and eventually freed from talon
if they REALLY wanna make it interesting illari could join talon
dunno how that would work but still
we havent gotten anyone joining talon and i swear to god i wanna see it
joining talon doesnt work, captured by to maybe be used as a bomb by copying the tech they had does
as it would fit her story and give development space for her to break out and let her "attone"
im sure theyd find a way to make illari working with talon make sense
at the very least it might explain why she hates moira so bad
i mean, they would if they really really want to
(my storyline explains that too)
fair
cuz granted if she was captured, obv moira would try to learn how solar threading works
cuz thats another way to well, strengthen stuff and experiment with it
imagine a reaper, with solar threading
even worse, imagine a reaper, with gravity powers, maugas build and solar threading



