"omnic" is used in two ways in-universe:
- robot made by Omnica Corp.
- any sentient robot
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
so it can get confusing
Orisa is a robot made by Omnica Corp
Bastion and Ramattra are sentient robots
Zenyatta is both a robot made by Omnica Corp and a sentient robot
Echo is neither a robot made by Omnica Corp nor a sentient robot
golden oak
It was called an omnic crisis even though none of them were sentient yet so
peak escarp
who?
peak escarp
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blissful bronze
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wooden sleet
just how often do you deal with shitposting?
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peak escarp
wooden sleet
two actually, there's also
geez, that must be frustrating
ancient matrix
Ik this sounds dumb but: do omnics have genders?
hushed jetty
yeah
ramattra and zenyatta are men
every omnic/robot currently has a gender, except bastion who is genderless
rare trail
bastion is referred to as he a lot though
wraith vessel
Well because of his voice right?
hushed jetty
bastion was originally referred to only with it/its
but for some reason around the start of overwatch 2 they started using he
wraith vessel
I didn’t know that
wraith vessel
Well because of his voice right?
Idk why but those sounds sound like a man I’m going crazy
past copper
Well, it’s like everyone addressing Artoo-Detoo. You can’t understand him bc of the beeps and whistles
But everyone refers to him as he
It’s like that for Bastion really, although some seem to understand him
wraith vessel
hushed jetty
frankly i dont even think bastion would know what gender is
and if torb explained it i dont think he would call himself a boy 😭
merry token
but for some reason around the start of overwatch 2 they started using he
Cause torb was like, “humanizing” him a bit or smth
hushed jetty
everyone knows part of hte humanization process is getting new pronouns /j
merry token
People can use it/its ofc, they’re just generally used for objects though
tranquil orbit
Funnily enough i think when rein firsr sees him he says something along the lines of "IT'S not a pet, IT'S a killing machine" and torb is the one who starts calling bastion "he"
Just an interesting distinction
peak escarp
people in general find it awkward to use "it" when referring to a sentient creature - people don't even use it for animals most of the time
the change of using "it" in OW1 and "he" in OW2 could just represent Torbjorn/Brigitte calling Bastion "him"
also reminder, pronouns are not tied to gender - an agender character can still use he/him pronouns
tranquil orbit
people in general find it awkward to use "it" when referring to a sentient creat...
I feel like it might be because of the difference between machine and living thing ... it depends on how the character views omnics
Like if someone sees them as more in common w a computer than a lifeform then ig theyd be more likely to say it rather than a he/she/they
vast swift
who is venture in the lore?
rare trail
wdym
they’re like a archeologist or smth who’s fighting talon because talon is stealing relics or smth
it should be in their originish video and their bio on the website
sullen girder
Which victory pose would look good for talon rein?
peak escarp
Which victory pose would look good for talon rein?
I'd go with Kneel, Victorious, or Legendary
the Heroic pose suits it pretty well too
sullen girder
I'd go with Kneel, Victorious, or Legendary
I totally agree
Also I found this concept of ow Moira the other day, what do you guys think? (Art by nekitoototo)
peak escarp
it's a good design
sullen girder
it's a good design
I would’ve love to see a ow Moira. of course her scientist would probably count, wouldn’t it?
sullen girder
They really need to give vengeance mercy a ult voiceline in the next update cause “heroes never die” doesn’t sound right with a talon skin, let alone a reverse talon skin
Maybe like it says in the shop “vengeance never dies”. It’s funny how they added that but now use it as her ult voiceline
crimson dawn
We should’ve had new black watch skins ngl
Blackwatch soldier
Blackwatch Hanzo
Blackwatch ashe
Blackwatch mercy
rare trail
well like it wouldn’t be as much of a mirror
like blackwatch is just a part of overwatch
blackwatch Ashe would make sense though
crimson dawn
like blackwatch is just a part of overwatch
Exactly
rare trail
I wish we got cyborg hanzo
crimson dawn
Soldier and reaper swap
Moira and mercy swap
Genji and hanzo swap
Ashe and Cassidy swap
crimson dawn
I wish we got cyborg hanzo
Why did we get a junker genji skin but hanzo and kiriko got hashimoto skins
rare trail
junker genji is kinda lame
like junker sym makes like sense because she’s super like orderly
crimson dawn
junker genji is kinda lame
Genji having a junker skin is so random
I don’t actually see why he does
rare trail
yeah
I hope we get something for ramattra where he’s like rebuilt as a drone or something
crimson dawn
I hope we get something for ramattra where he’s like rebuilt as a drone or somet...
Ramattra’s dead in mirror watch
But we could get a ramattra skin that’s mondata
rare trail
Ramattra’s dead in mirror watch
that’s why I said rebuilt
crimson dawn
that’s why I said rebuilt
The omnic’s soul can’t be rebuilt
crimson dawn
But we could get a ramattra skin that’s mondata
I think I’d prefer this
Although idk
We need a dance emote for Ram first
polar radish
mfer in here having a gender session lmfao
tranquil orbit
We need a dance emote for Ram first
I wonder what theyd pick for him
toxic bone
they should make this channel read only, thats the amount of lore we've gotten
worthy rose
jus watched a 2 hour video abt all lore videos combined
reef hamlet
i kinda wish we got a short mission for the event where you could play as mirrorwatch or talon
like starwatch ig
peak escarp
that's what I was hoping for
reef hamlet
the new abilities are cool but it was kind of a disappointment
zenith mango
jus watched a 2 hour video abt all lore videos combined
What did ya think
dense trail
Hey did we get new lore for the main timeline?
zenith mango
Hey did we get new lore for the main timeline?
From when
dense trail
Just at all
rare trail
heroes ascendant came out pretty recently
sullen girder
Is it confirmed that they are gonna do a part 2 of mirrorwatch? Or are they just discussing it?
hushed jetty
i think its at least an option
peak escarp
they're just discussing it as a possibility
acoustic ice
would anubis be the equivalent to athena in mirrorwatch?
like instead of being an evil ai it's a good ai that works with overwatch
sour raft
Politically are you guys anti or pro omnic? (for a poll)
hushed jetty
pro
being anti omnic is Kinda Dumb based on the info we have
crude river
Yeah I think it's kinda fucked to not support them? It's literally just a marginalized group
sharp trench
Politically are you guys anti or pro omnic? (for a poll)
depends if you classify pro omnic as pro null sector/pro-war omnics or just pro omnic as pro-any omnic
past copper
Pro Omnic. I understand not forgiving them for the number of people killed by them in a war
But that’s no reason outright hate them. They didn’t have any choice in the matter
sour raft
just playing devils advocate some of the omnics still choose to fight
past copper
And when they were freed and given a choice, a majority of them laid down their new found lives to help end the war
sour raft
And when they were freed and given a choice, a majority of them laid down their ...
very true
hushed jetty
just playing devils advocate some of the omnics still choose to fight
when you give people free will that's gonna happen sometimes
past copper
With that, I believe omincs deserve the right to be treated with respect, dignity, and equality as a human
sour raft
zen has a whole voice linea bout that
past copper
We need a pro ominc symbol icon in here
hushed jetty
iris emoji perhaps
past copper
Human Omnic bond symbol?
sullen girder
Hey, do you think torb would be an ex talon agent or a junker in this universe?
long ravine
Hey, do you think torb would be an ex talon agent or a junker in this universe?
honestly we need more junkers + overwatch agents in mirrorwatch lol
theres like a million talon members in this universe and im tired of it im ngl
im all for evil characters but we've been having an evil skin phase for like 8 months or something
we didnt even get a good reaper 😭
leaden galleon
Even in a Mirrorverse part 2, I don’t think you can really do more Overwatch skins, except for Mauga
hushed jetty
the dr de kuiper skin is not even remotely an "overwatch" skin
leaden galleon
She doesn’t like to be a follower
hushed jetty
well i dont think mercy likes to lead terrorist organizations either but here we are
leaden galleon
the dr de kuiper skin is not even remotely an "overwatch" skin
The thing is with scientist heroes like Sigma is that they would never be part of an Overwatch strike team. Canon Overwatch had plenty of scientists but none of them actually fought anyone (except for Winston). So, Dr. de Kuiper Sigma or Scientist Moira kind of already fit the idea of “what if they weren’t evil?”, do they not?
hushed jetty
they dont have to be onthe strike team. they could be a scientist aligned with overwatch or something. slap em in a uniform
or perhaps he ends up with a different faction like vishkar or the junkers or something idk
reef hamlet
The thing is with scientist heroes like Sigma is that they would never be part o...
canon mercy is a doctor but doesnt hesitate to pull out the glock
crude river
Yeah but she's a field agent
If sig was just a scientist I don't think he'd b on active duty if he didn't have his powers
Ig an ow version of him just could be him having his powers under control
Which could allow him to be on the field ig
worthy rose
I like magic and muscles thats my lore
acoustic ice
I’m not sure about Mirrorverse Ashe
mirrorverse ashe would definitely be an overwatch agent if mirrorwatch cass is implied to stay with the deadlock gang
tawny crow
would that mean Bob would have a cowboy hat instead of a bowler hat
spare fox
and if Sym is a Junker then Junkrat is working in Oasis as minister of engineering like his old voiceline
and I guess if Zarya is a Talon agent then probably DVA and Pharrah are too
leaden galleon
and I guess if Zarya is a Talon agent then probably DVA and Pharrah are too
If we go by how Team 4 has designed Mirrorwatch, which is to say that the factions swap characters, then logically it'd make sense to say D.Va and Pharah (along with everyone else in present-day Overwatch) would be in MW Talon. But idk, I don't see how it works when you consider their backstories
D.Va is very young at 21, the youngest canon Talon agent is sombra at 32
peak escarp
that we know of
leaden galleon
Yes
spare fox
I don't see what their age has to do with it
leaden galleon
With D.Va in particular it matters because her age limits how much backstory you have to work with. Canonically it's just "pro gamer turned MEKA pilot then recruited by Overwatch" and the only reason she ends up in Overwatch is because Ana cherrypicked her as a candidate for Overwatch's new generation of members. You could say a mirrored version of this where she ends up in Talon instead could work but personally I don't think it does
Also consider that Talon has no presence in the Asian continent besides when they go to Suravasa
rare trail
overwatch didnt really have much presence in asia either
there isnt really a reason why dva couldnt be a part of talon because of her age
acoustic ice
i was looking at vengeance mercy and was thinking about the color schemes
color scheme 2 (purple) looks like it'd fit with null sector and scheme 3 (blue) would be vishkar
spare fox
That apparently wasn't intentional, according to Dion the art director during the interview with skiesti
acoustic ice
huh thats funny
zenith mango
If u look at widows mirror watch skin you can see that she has a cybernetic eye meaning she switched spots with Ana in this universe
Just thought that was cool
rare trail
im kinda confused about the meaning of the word omnic
i guess its
made in an omnium and has a mind/will
but thats kinda confusing to me because like
it was called the omnic crisis before the omnics were sentient right?
did the definition of the word change in that time?
spare fox
They've always been omnics
Only omnics gained sentience when Aurora ascended
So omnics were made and utilized as robots with extremely advanced AI. Then Aurora was made and she gained personhood under the law. Omnica then failed and closed down, the omniums all shut down.
There were still omnics all around everywhere when Anubis hijacked their programming to eliminate humanity. This was the omnic crisis that lasted 2 years until Aurora ascended and all the omnics gained sentience
You should watch the 3-part Genesis. It's pretty short but worth it if you're interested. It goes into more detail than I did.
tranquil orbit
did the definition of the word change in that time?
like most words there can be multiple definitions
and yh part of it is acc a change over time not just in world but most likely from the writers themselves
the backstory abt aurora and all the genesis stuff was written way after the word "omnic" was used in universe
when they were first using it to world build and talking abt things like "omnic crisis" it was strictly a substitute for the term "robot" in the ow universe
aka the 1st definition which is a robot that was made in an omnium
later this changed
peak escarp
"omnic" used to refer to just Omnica Corp robots, but now just refers to any sentient omnic regardless of where they were made
for example, Bastion is a sentient omnic that was made by SST Laboratories
primal turret
"omnic" used to refer to just Omnica Corp robots, but now just refers to any sen...
yo do yk if login is down
i can log into the website
peak escarp
check #1028101984642945174
primal turret
"no access"
peak escarp
it seems to be having issues
primal turret
it seems to be having issues
thanks for letting me know 😭 no one else was telling me
long ravine
Even in a Mirrorverse part 2, I don’t think you can really do more Overwatch ski...
i mean you also have moira, reaper, and mauga (now that you mentioned him)
you can also have even the junker characters (queen, hog, junk, ball) go into the team (since they took genji out of ow)
a lot of potential for the good guys imo 😞
tender sedge
Is it sad that I only just learned that genji and hanzo are brothers
long ravine
yes 😭
peak escarp
yes
tender sedge
Hey, I only started season 2 on overwatch 2, I didn’t know shit about the lore
Now I actually studied the lore and know a ton more
acoustic ice
is there possibly any chance at a mirrorwatch 2 or not
peak escarp
it is a possibility
acoustic ice
also does talon tracer still lack unique voice lines?
peak escarp
yes
tranquil orbit
is there possibly any chance at a mirrorwatch 2 or not
Tbh I'd say the most likely out of any theme to return
This season's battlepass got a ton of attention and probably sold rly well
The fact they even talked abt some other concepts they considered is even more of a sign
acoustic ice
The fact they even talked abt some other concepts they considered is even more o...
what are those other concepts
tranquil orbit
Lemme see if i can find a link to the interview w the art director
Vishkar lucio was one of them tho
acoustic ice
vishkar lucio mythic
leaden galleon
i mean you also have moira, reaper, and mauga (now that you mentioned him)
you...
Aside from Ball, I don't think any of the Junkers would be compatible with Overwatch
Given mirrored Sym is a junker, Vishkar would logically be more appropriate for them
Also worth noting that we know from Skiesti's interview with Dion Rogers that the Genji skin was made prior to the conceptualization of Mirrorwatch, it just so happened that the skin fit with the theme (albeit very awkwardly)
worthy rose
i mean you also have moira, reaper, and mauga (now that you mentioned him)
you...
The fact that reaper was missing from mirror watch was utter bull
He's a prominent member of talon; what was the thought process?
past copper
Kinda think Jack and Gabriel would have switched places
Vigilante Gabriel Talon Jack
crimson dawn
Kinda think Jack and Gabriel would have switched places
Wish we got an overwatch agent Ashe
Cause longhorn cassidy im pretty sure is supposed to be if Cassidy stayed in the deadlock gang (correct me if im wrong)
past copper
Maybe Reaper would be like Vendetta. Severally burned and forced to wear a mask as he hunts down Talon
Curious to see what Junkrat, Roadhog, n Junker Queen are like in Mirrorwatch
Maybe Junkrat and Roadhog finally went legit and joined Overwatch
While Junker Queen joined Talon after leaving Junker Town
crimson dawn
Wouldn’t that imply the opposite would happen in the main universe
JQ joins OW
Junkrat and roadhog join talon
past copper
They did try to go legit once. It didn’t work out given they were tricked by some rich prick
crimson dawn
Wonder what’s going on with lifeweaver in Mirror watch
past copper
And technically speaking, this universe doesn’t seem to have disbanded Overwatch
I guess the public trusts them with no conspiracies or illegal activities hanging over their heads
crimson dawn
What if Hammond and Winston swap in mirror watch
So we’d get junker Winston and Agent Hammond skins
rare trail
when did we find out soldier is gay?
bastet is the earliest thing i can think of
but are there any hints before that?
viral tendon
I don’t think so, bastest is the earliest reference with the picture of solider and Vincent
spare fox
Bastet was the "reveal" but in the comic Reflections he is looking at an old photo of him and Vincent but at that time we didn't know who the photo was of
worthy rose
Kinda think Jack and Gabriel would have switched places
Apparently they didn't have time but it's also probably because Gabriel technically was already part of OW
And blackwatch
So a mirror faction would be pretty shakey
reef hamlet
nah not really
just a mirrorverse where reaper got all the fame and jack ran the gritty underbelly
i kinda hoped we'd get a good moira parallel who still had the same tone of voice, just was ethical about it
acoustic ice
shower question - what does reinhardt use for fuel?
and how efficient is his fuel consumption?
grand wedge
As in, what his suit is using to function you mean?
acoustic ice
yes
wraith vessel
Why is widow purple I mean I’m assuming she’s infected with smth or ? (I know nothing of ow lore)
wraith vessel
That’s cool
sullen girder
Seriously, reverse ow needs more agents. They are just out numbered at this point
zenith mango
Mirror watch isn’t canon right
zenith mango
her heart rate was slowed to make her a better sniper
Wasn’t it to make her feel no emotion which then made her a better sniper
zenith mango
that wouldn't make her literally blue
How does slower heart rate equal better sniper
peak escarp
🤷♀️
that's just the explanation we're given
Talon’s geneticist, Moira O’Deorain, altered Amélie’s physiology to improve her aim, drastically slowing her heart, which turned her skin cold and blue, and numbed her ability to experience human emotion. It dulled the pain of what she’d done, while heightening the charge she felt on the hunt.
zenith mango
Also sojourn is only with recall Overwatch until they stop null sector right
zenith mango
```Talon’s geneticist, Moira O’Deorain, altered Amélie’s physiology to improve h...
What book
zenith mango
Also mirror watch isn’t talon right
peak escarp
what
mirrorwatch is not canon, if that's what you mean
it's an alternate universe, like Junkenstein or Starwatch
zenith mango
Yeah that’s what I meant lol
So widow wasn’t purple when she killed Gerard right
She only got her heart slowed when she returned to talon
peak escarp
correct
past copper
just a mirrorverse where reaper got all the fame and jack ran the gritty underbe...
I mean… technically speaking
Overwatch wasn’t shutdown over illegal activities, which could imply there isn’t a Blackwatch or perhaps Overwatch was more open with the public
So, it’s not only a reverse world where bad guys are the heroes and good guys are the criminals
It’s also showing what could have been had Overwatch not been so secretive
hushed jetty
blackwatch does indeed exist in mirrorwatch
echo is supposed to be blackwatch apparently
peak escarp
without Moira there, Blackwatch never got exposed
hushed jetty
it wasnt specifically moira's fault though was it
hushed jetty
was it???
hushed jetty
i thought it was just cuz of gabe killing antonio and them having to fight their way out
hushed jetty
oh that would be insane if true
peak escarp
he went in with a plan, he even spends the rest of the mission saying "this isn't how I planned it"
which makes it seem he lost self control for a moment
and the most likely cause for that is Moira's experiments having a negative side effect on his impulsivity and known anger issues
but that's not the only reason Moira is the reason Overwatch fell
2) Moira's presence in Blackwatch was kept a secret from Morrison by Reyes, which eroded the trust between them, culminating in a fight that was believed to have triggered an explosion that destroyed the Swiss HQ and (according to public knowledge) killed both Morrison and Reyes
3) Moira's genetic therapy of Amelie Lacroix aided in turning her into a perfect sniper, who would later go on to (attempt to) assassinate Ana Amari - with Ana no longer there to act as mediator between Morrison and Reyes, their friendship fell apart```three factors that led to Overwatch being disbanded, all linked back to Moira
I think of any one of those three things hadn't happened, Overwatch would have survived
- if Blackwatch wasn't exposed, Overwatch wouldn't have been investigated (or at least the investigation wouldn't have had as much to go on)
- if Morrison and Reyes still trusted each other, they could have pulled Overwatch successfully through the investigation
- if Ana hadn't died, she could have kept Morrison and Reyes from murdering each other long enough for Overwatch to survive the investigation
sour raft
whos stronger zar or jq
peak escarp
Zarya
wooden sleet
I think of any one of those three things hadn't happened, Overwatch would have s...
damn, moira really is that girl
sour raft
I think of any one of those three things hadn't happened, Overwatch would have s...
"died"
i agree with your blackwatch one
grand wedge
shower question - what does reinhardt use for fuel?
it's some fusion core ( i don't own declassified in english so i don't know the exact term for it)
zenith mango
because of Moira's experiments making him impulsive
Moira was experimenting in Reyes before she had to do “the reaper stuff” bc of the explosion?
peak escarp
yes
zenith mango
Why
peak escarp
he was starting to get the reaper stuff before the explosion
zenith mango
Why
peak escarp
because he asked her to help with some genetic issues (probably a byproduct of the SEP)
zenith mango
What’s sep
peak escarp
soldier enhancement program
zenith mango
Ohohohoh
peak escarp
the supersoldier program he and Soldier were in duringthe crisis
fathom canyon
anyone know if Junker Genji is metal under the hood. Or is he just wearing metal as if it were though armour?
hexed sandal
Lucio=Canon
reef hamlet
Overwatch wasn’t shutdown over illegal activities, which could imply there isn’t...
i thought overwatch was shut down by the government because of the behind the scenes blackwatch stuff?
peak escarp
theyre talking about in Mirrorwatch
reef hamlet
ok ngl im drunk so ill come back to this
quaint crane
acoustic ice
is junkrat a telepath
hushed jetty
what? no
twilit patrol
No?
sly dove
i'll venmo the next 2 people who join 10 bucks na-1*2
regal notch
zenith mango
!!loreonly
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pure geyser
My friend said crease his js when they threw Bob out, now I’m picturing Ashe screaming “BOB! CREASE HIS JS!” and I don’t know whether to laugh or find it terrifying
severe ore
Find it hilarious, this actually made me chuckle
torpid terrace
Lol
slow tendon
How does slower heart rate equal better sniper
snipers have a thing where they hold their breath to steady the shot, a sniper that doesnt need to do that has an advantage or in the winter, breath can give you away, such as the finish sniper that would stuff his mouth with snow to combat that
cold nights etc
formal olive
Will the invasion mission’s lore ever be expanded upon after that cliffhanger lol
past copper
Still crazy how Blizzard hasn’t just outright said future missions were cancelled only “uncertain”
For the love of all that is right, what does that even mean Blizzard? What does it mean?
tranquil orbit
think of it like a show thats been put on indefinite hiatus
no official cancellation but we might asw say goodbye to them
peak escarp
Doctor Who was on indefinite hiatus for 26 years
tranquil orbit
maybe we'll get the next missions by like 2040 then 😭
golden oak
For the love of all that is right, what does that even mean Blizzard? What does ...
Probably even them (devs) don’t know bc that’s up to management if we get it or not
rare trail
wouldnt a lower heart rate make her like
extremely weak and frail
also
it would lower how much oxygen can like get to her organs and especially so her extremedies like her hands and fingers which hold the gun
also bradycardia (slowed heart rate) causes shortness of breath so it doesn't even like work
still looks cool and gives her a unique aesthetic though
torn elm
Since my question wasn’t answered in the other chat, may i put my question here instead?
twilit patrol
Since my question wasn’t answered in the other chat, may i put my question here ...
Is it a lore question?
golden oak
If Mauga’s body temperature is higher than a regular person, does that mean he’s got a permanent fever?
peak escarp
maybe
peak escarp
wouldnt a lower heart rate make her like
realistically, yes
but Overwatch is soft scifi
torn elm
Is it a lore question?
Basically
Its moreso a lill thought about comparing 2 franchises
spare fox
He does flame up when he does that charge move
Which yeah, wouldn't really happen with a high temp but soft scifi
torn elm
So, since my last question wasn’t answered here, ill put it in here, since it’s about the lore,
Who would win;
The dauntless behemoth roster
Or the overwatch(+2) hero roster
In a fight/war?
agile hare
behemoth roster
torn elm
Reasoning? The opposing server stated the O2 team would win cuz of “big guns”
torn elm
So that makes it a tie, since the Dless server said O2 wins, O2 says Dless wins,
Magic & Tech does oppose each other easily
peak escarp
yeah but OW's tech isn't that powerful
it's a pretty low power scale
it's not like Marvel or something that fights gods
torn elm
Hmm, good point
peak escarp
the strongest heroes are a genetically enhanced ape, a police robot and a warlord with a cybernetic gauntlet
even the powers that might be stronger are all speculative because they haven't shown us the scope of their powers
wooden sleet
just wondering is overwatch soft space opera?
I was discussing with a friend and they said with the introduction of space ranger, overwatch is becomming more space opera than scifi
spare fox
just wondering is overwatch soft space opera?
I was discussing with a friend and...
Not really. At this point no.
I think space opera is almost exclusively in space and 99.9% of the OW story so far is on Earth
I think it's more of a superhero sci-fi for the genre
dreamy shoal
Isn't it weird that moira was shunned from the scientific community for being too bold and controversial, when mercy literally learned how to bring people back from the dead? Is that not concerning at all? Hypocrisy.
spare fox
Mercy doesn't bring anyone back from the dead
Gameplay isn't canon
She's basically bringing you back from "elimination"
wooden sleet
I think it's more of a superhero sci-fi for the genre
yeah that makes more sense,
sullen girder
Now that I think about it, do you think reverse widow’s personality would still be the same?
tranquil orbit
Isn't it weird that moira was shunned from the scientific community for being to...
The resurrection is either more metaphorical or might be something that becomes relevant later down the line
As of rn tho weve not seen that ability in the story tho
U are kinda right to bring up the fact there are sometimes morally questionable moments tho (like the genji situation but this wasnt only her call) but idt any of these come close to moira
tranquil orbit
Does this count tho?
Like maybe a diluted version of what it come become or something idk
peak escarp
why wouldn't it?
tranquil orbit
Because of what u said mei isnt dead it's an injury repair
peak escarp
it uses the same visuals, serves the same purpose (get an incapacitated person able to fight again)
she even says the res voice line
tranquil orbit
Thats true
I still think it's something that isnt final form if that makes sense
Like later down the line (big if) she could probably just straight up revive someone
peak escarp
she's not going to figure out how to resurrect the dead
tranquil orbit
Why not though
peak escarp
and doctors can already resuscitate people who are clinically dead for a few minutes
tranquil orbit
Thats true
peak escarp
but that's usually people whose normal function has stopped, not people who suffered severe injury
if she could resurrect the dead, the window of success would be very short
she couldn't resurrect Gerard, for example
tranquil orbit
if she could resurrect the dead, the window of success would be very short
Yh thats true and also likely w the body mostly intact
peak escarp
also "dead" is has a very technical definition in the medical world and in some cases is a reversable condition
tranquil orbit
Still overall tho idt we've seen the peak of mercy's capabilities just yet she still could go further
I'd also say the same abt moira but in the opposite direction 💀
golden oak
Kinda ironic how if resurrection was actually possible in overwatch world, I think mercy would be against it and see it as unethical (as it’s an act against nature)
tranquil orbit
Im not sure thatd be the reason tbh
Moreso w genji u dont always necessarily know if they want to be brought back
And what the consequences are for the patient (esp if it hasnt been done before)
Part of the reason why some ppl have do not resuscitate tats
golden oak
Yeah but you do see the moral controversy of bringing someone back from the dead?
tranquil orbit
Yes ofc
gleaming wyvern
wsg with the kiriko hanzo and genji training together situation? like theres gotta be an explanation for tht right?
peak escarp
what's to explain?
Kiriko's mother trained the brothers and Kiriko tagged along
she is much younger than them
zenith mango
Did they fix her age thing yet
meager cipher
I do have this headcannon where, during Asa’s pregnancy, Kiriko was possessed by the Kitsune spirit and caused her to slowly age. I dunno, it’s a headcannon.
peak escarp
you don't even have to go that far
gleaming wyvern
Kiriko's mother trained the brothers and Kiriko tagged along
how could tehy be kids at the same time
meager cipher
you don't even have to go that far
I gave it some thought 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
peak escarp
Kiriko herself claims that the kitsune affects her metabolism, so it could just be keeping her a young adult
meager cipher
That could work
peak escarp
how could tehy be kids at the same time
based on her bio (not her official age), she was 12 when Sojiro Shimada was murdered 14 years ago - which would make her 26 now
which would mean she was a child when the brothers were teens
which looks about right
gleaming wyvern
based on her bio (not her official age), she was 12 when Sojiro Shimada was murd...
if my math is correct when hanzo is 20 yrs old kiri wouldnt have even been born yet
gleaming wyvern
the math is not mathing
hushed jetty
if theyre 14 years apart and kiri is like 6 there, hanzo would be 20
i guess he looks 20 if i were to squint
merry token
Tbf the artist drawing that image could have not been given their official ages
peak escarp
true
but Kiriko could be younger
kids in Japan can start kendo training as young as 3
zenith mango
which looks about right
Is Genji or Hanzo getting bonked
hushed jetty
genji
short kayak
im new in lore but can echo in lore copy people
peak escarp
she can imitate them and learn their skills, but she can't physically transform
rare trail
Is Genji or Hanzo getting bonked
genji i think?
merry token
Genji is generally the one with short hair and Hanzo is generally the one with longer hair
sullen girder
I’m sorry but they really need to fix the age gap, either make the shimada brothers younger or kiriko older
rare trail
I’m sorry but they really need to fix the age gap, either make the shimada broth...
its likely theres going to be an explanation for it
especially since they fixed soj's age
maybe its kitsune magic or smth
acoustic ice
which looks about right
Genji looking like WOBBUFFET in this one
peak escarp
it's not like they were best friends or something
in Hanzo's short story he mentions that Kiriko kinda just followed them around
viral tendon
maybe its kitsune magic or smth
Even if it is the kitsune magic, it would make her aging visibly slower, not her biological age she’d still be (example) 28 biologically but would look alot younger
peak escarp
Mei and Tracer have something similar going on
Mei is biologically 33, but that doesn't include the 9 years she spent frozen
so her chronological age is 40
Tracer lost 2 years while she had chronal disassociation after her accident - her listed age of 28 doesn't include those 2 years
so Kiriko's chronological age is probably 26 (so the numbers in her bio make sense), but the kitsune makes her biological age only 21 and that's what's listed in her bio
tranquil orbit
Theres also the added complication tho w tracer that writers and devs in the past including jeff kaplan have said she has 'unique aging properties' which indicates something outside of just the lost time
I also swear theres a voiceline w her and the omnic lady in the toronto mission addressing this but i cant find it for the life of me 😭
peak escarp
there's probably enough time lost/gained when she uses her abilities that it more or less cancels out
tranquil orbit
Thatd be such a nice twist though wouldnt it
Like the recalls slowly make her younger or something
Mad
peak escarp
I was thinking more like recall makes her skip time, but blinks make her experience more time than people around her
do enough of both and it balances out
tranquil orbit
That also makes sense
A headcanon i had for mirrorwatch tracer w her option to extra blink that does self damage was that it's a result of the makeshift accelerator ... without winstons input it slowly kills her w every use
zenith mango
in Hanzo's short story he mentions that Kiriko kinda just followed them around
no spoiulers shoosh
worthy rose
Hello
tender sedge
I only just found out that pharah is Ana’s daughter
Thanks to that one specific kill voice line from sombra, when Ana nano boosts her
Help
peak escarp
lol I love that line
quartz wave
Doom solos
peak escarp
ok
golden oak
she can imitate them and learn their skills, but she can't physically transform
Imagine echo doing meteor strike
Although I don’t think it would be ass powerful because she doesn’t have the gauntlet
keen summit
Doom solos
Who?
twin canopy
who here plays roblox?
frosty perch
Ah yes roblox is apart of the overwatch lore
wraith vessel
What happened to mc Cree and why is he called Cassidy now
twilit patrol
What happened to mc Cree and why is he called Cassidy now
It's not a lore reason but it's because there was a employee that was called Jesse Mccree and they fired him because of sexual assault. So they renamed the character in game and also said that they never will name a character with the real name of their employees
wraith vessel
Dark
twilit patrol
So he is Cole Cassidy now. And in the lore, he didn't rename himself. It's like his name was always Cole Cassidy.
spark veldt
twilit patrol
I thought there would be a different reason in the lore but they really renamed him in general.
wooden sleet
I'm not gonna lie, I had to be told this was actual canon resurrect to believe, I thought mercy was choosing to heal her with her hand than point a giant stick at her
stone vessel
whos the weakest lorewise
peak escarp
probably Mei
peak escarp
by quantity - Tracer, Winston, Soldier, Cassidy and Reaper have the most lore
Tracer and Winston would be considered the main characters of the story
wraith vessel
I seeee
peak escarp
I forgot to update my list for Heroes Ascendant
it's still the same top 5, just a different order
Tracer/Soldier, Winston, Reaper/Cassidy
and the hero that has gone the longest without new lore is now Moira
it used to be Hanzo but he finally got an appearance in HA
tranquil orbit
Does zens appearance at the end of the gothenburg mission count?
Ik it's not dedicated to him exactly but the bit w ram is quite decent
peak escarp
hmm
good point
he's still in the bottom of the list
I'll include Zenyatta and Ramattra for that cutscene, but not Widow and Sombra (since their appearance is minor so far)
spare fox
Don't forget Reaper, Sombra, and DF in A Great Day
peak escarp
oh right thanks
spare fox
I'm still wondering about that DF line in A Great Day about being able to see the explosion from space like
Is he hiding out in space?
spare fox
If he's not actually in space where is he lately?
peak escarp
we haven't seen him in person (timeline wise) since his attack on Numbani in The Hero of Numbani
spare fox
Yes but he's not exactly fearful of anyone. He doesn't seem like the "in hiding" kind of guy
tranquil orbit
It's not like he can be parading himself around a well known location
Attracts attention and causes unnecessary issues
I wouldnt say it'd be out of fear but when u run a syndicate like talon u sometimes run things a bit more ground level
Could be he's waiting for an opportunity
spare fox
Ground level lol when he could be in space. I appreciate the pun
tranquil orbit
Lmao was unintentional i swear 😭
spare fox
Makes it better
tranquil orbit
I do like the idea of him being on mars tho just cos of the lucheng line he has
We'll see if he has any lines w space ranger
Or better yet if we get a mars colony map there might be some hints
peak escarp
made some corrections, added Declassified
now every hero has had lore in the last year and the only launch hero in the bottom is Zenyatta
prime quiver
Alright I NEED THE BIGGEST LORE FAN IN OVERWATCH who does Genji and Doom mean? When Doom asked who teach him the ways of the blade and Genji replied something Doom was like Ohh her...Who is her?
grand wedge
Alright I NEED THE BIGGEST LORE FAN IN OVERWATCH who does Genji and Doom mean? W...
Asa Yamagami
reef hamlet
I'm still wondering about that DF line in A Great Day about being able to see th...
i think he was exaggerating cause it was meant to be a stealth mission and ended up causing such a large mess
spare fox
i think he was exaggerating cause it was meant to be a stealth mission and ended...
But then he would have said, "I could HAVE seen it from space," or "it could be seen from space"
Instead he said the very definitive, "I could see the explosion from space"
reef hamlet
i mean like.. they all mean the same thing?
reef hamlet
whether you add "have" and make "see" into "seen" its all the same, its meant to be an exaggeration. common phrase used when somebody isnt very quiet what theyre doing
peak escarp
we have current locations for everyone except Doomfist, Illari, Moira, Sigma and Venture
reef hamlet
id imagine doomfist is at talon HQ, same with moira and sigma
illari has no home left so probably roaming
twilit patrol
Doomfist is actually in space since we got Mauga's short
reef hamlet
i dont think he is
venture was last seen in egypt (?)fighting talon and getting an artifact
twilit patrol
That's weird
spare fox
The way he said it, it doesn't sound exaggerated to me. Sounded like he was in space or at least high in the atmosphere somewhere
twilit patrol
Now I wonder what would he do in space
spare fox
He saw it happen
peak escarp
illari has no home left so probably roaming
Illari only destroyed the warriors, not her entire culture
her bio still lists her base of operations as Peru
spare fox
Idk what he would be doing in space, that makes me wonder what he/they are up to
reef hamlet
Illari only destroyed the warriors, not her entire culture
fair but she also has an interaction with sombra about asking for info so id say shes probably on the move at some point
peak escarp
probably
twilit patrol
Idk what he would be doing in space, that makes me wonder what he/they are up to
That's what I'm wondering too
spare fox
fair but she also has an interaction with sombra about asking for info so id say...
Yeah I think she suspects that Lumerico and/or Vishkar might have had some part in what happened at her threading ceremony. That's my theory
past copper
If you saw Mauga's short he said that he is in space
Have you never heard of satellites?
Literally have cameras can catch ANYTHING on them
spare fox
Yes but that's the difference between "it could be seen" and "I could see it"
He saw it from space
reef hamlet
im sorry i just dont think he did
"seeing something from space" is an exaggeration. that explosion was big but theres no way you could actually see it from space
if it was a nuke youd see it, but a carrier ship like that is a mere drop in the water from space
twilit patrol
"seeing something from space" is an exaggeration. that explosion was big but the...
It's Overwatch 
reef hamlet
ok
that doesnt change the fact that the explosion was way too small to even be a blip from space
reef hamlet
but what im saying is, there is insufficient evidence to explain it
and tbh i doubt theyll go into it much furthwr
wind wind
kirikos mom
I keep saying... kirkos mom we need more on her
hushed jetty
maybe talon has connections with lucheng or something
wind wind
like "best swordsman" praise from doom
that aint lightl
I could picture kirkos mom being a char melee dps
spare fox
I mean the evidence that he's in space would be that he said he could see the explosion mauga caused from space
I also think it interesting, but likely not important (but it might be) that so many of the heroes last we saw of them they were in flight literally
The end of A Great Day, end of the Toronto mission, Ashe and that lot are in flight out of Las Vegas, JQ and Wrecking Ball are fixing up a ship to take a "road trip"
peak escarp
putting them all in position to move them towards the main plot
spare fox
That's what I HOPE
but at the very least it's minorly symbolic of a transition between "chapters" of the story
We don't know what Ana's going to do, right?
peak escarp
nope
spare fox
I'm disappointed she broke off from hanging with Jack
They've been together for years in the lore
spare fox
Here's hoping
tranquil orbit
But then he would have said, "I could HAVE seen it from space," or "it could be ...
Couldve also potentially been a satellite projection
But i ljke the idea that hes off planet
peak escarp
I want to know the order of events - did Sombra do her thing with Jack then head off to India, or did India come first?
tranquil orbit
I want to know the order of events - did Sombra do her thing with Jack then head...
Id place guesses on it being before
spare fox
I think the thing in India with Zen might have been slightly before Invasion
tranquil orbit
Ah wait i think it's current because we know genji comes to intervene
So that maybe indicates sombras story w 76 is before she arrives in india
spare fox
They (Talon? Ramattra?) didn't want to risk Zen getting hurt or subjegated
tranquil orbit
She likely has a whole new plot thay will unfold
spare fox
Traveling across the world is a lot easier in OW too
peak escarp
my guess is that they were sent to take Zenyatta for "protection"
tranquil orbit
Or maybe he knows something abt ram 👀
peak escarp
if it was to kill him Widowmaker can do that without being seen
so it's definitely not that
tranquil orbit
if it was to kill him Widowmaker can do that without being seen
Yh this is true they definitely want him alive
spare fox
Or it could be Zen is a bargaining chip they want
peak escarp
could be
tranquil orbit
Yh thats seems like a likely possibility
peak escarp
I just hope we get to find out...
spare fox
Saaaaame 😩
peak escarp
Ramattra was close with Zenyatta, so he could have asked DF to send agents to take him in
he couldn't send bots because they're not that smart
tranquil orbit
Ramattra was close with Zenyatta, so he could have asked DF to send agents to ta...
Id like to think talon have their own ideas for what to do w him tho
They need something to gain out of their arrangement w ram
tranquil orbit
Still it's not rly the kind of conflict doomfist would necessarily have in mind idt
Humanity cant do much developing if ram wants them all crushed 💀
It's either a backstab situation or theres something more at play here
I think theres still more to find out
Maybe a distraction 👀
past copper
I want to know the order of events - did Sombra do her thing with Jack then head...
Pretty it's before India. A majority of these events appeara to be just hours after what happened in Paris
So it's likely they're just detailing what other people were experiencing as the beginning stages of the invasion broke out
peak escarp
yeah that makes sense
sullen girder
Why do all the reverse hero skins always have to have white hair? I mean most of the reverse talon skins have white hair (2 of them cause they are old people) and both the hashimoto hanzo and kiriko have white hair. Are all villains suppose to have white hair?
spare fox
I think it's to make a more striking design with red, black, and white
hushed jetty
looks cooler i guess
vast swift
what is ventures lore in overwatch?
peak escarp
Venture is a nonbinary (they/them) roaming archaeologist who works with the Wayfinder Society to secure locations of archeological significance
hushed jetty
im illiterate i thought you were calling them nonbinary like it was a noun
yeah venture is one of them nonbinaries...
upbeat basalt
did lifeweaver join overwatch
spare fox
No
upbeat basalt
oh really? i was reading the wiki for zarya and at the bottom it ended up saying that her and lifeweaver were apart of an overwatch team (with venture too) that had a skirmish between talon at petra
spare fox
Yeah that... that's wrong
upbeat basalt
i had a feeling it was off too
spare fox
It's just gameplay
Idk someone keeps editing the wiki incorrectly with that
They have gameplay trailers like that for all post-release heroes, it's never been canon before idk why they're thinking it is now
tropic scroll
what is mercies real ame
hushed jetty
what is mercies real ame
angela ziegler
glass rivet
what is mercies real ame
Support
sullen girder
If possible, do you think venture would join overwatch in the war against null sector? I mean in a way, they and ow does share a common enemy (talon at least)
past copper
Venture has no real reason to join Overwatch as far we’ve seen
Talon is one thing, but that doesn’t mean Venture would just search out Overwatch over something they stole
Not unless it contributes to something bigger beyond just tomb raiding
tranquil orbit
Tbh they could but i think it's a bit boring if we always have ppl just joining overwatch
peak escarp
we haven't had any new heroes join Talon
tranquil orbit
Keeping lots of different factions and motivations is a good way to keep the story fresh
tranquil orbit
we haven't had any new heroes join Talon
Just wait for illari 👀
obsidian vessel
crimson dawn
we haven't had any new heroes join Talon
Mauga
peak escarp
he was already a member
crimson dawn
And he’s a new hero
peak escarp
I mean heroes who aren't Talon who then join them in the story
we've had heroes join Overwatch, but not Talon
crimson dawn
I’m just happy when we get any new talon heroes
crimson dawn
we've had heroes join Overwatch, but not Talon
We don’t need more overwatch heroes
It’s becoming stale
The last overwatch hero we got was sojourn I’m pretty sure
hushed jetty
sojourn isnt even "in" overwatch she's just kinda helping them
she's "in" overwatch as much as torb is atm
crimson dawn
she's "in" overwatch as much as torb is atm
Didn’t torb decline the recall
hushed jetty
yeah but in invasion he's helping them figure out what's going on with the subjugators
crimson dawn
I haven’t scene the invasion stuff
hushed jetty
sojourn also declined the recall but in invasion she goes with them to stop null sector
hushed jetty
true
sullen girder
Found this on Twitter, (art by jirafffee) do you think he’d be the champ like Hammond or somehow the junker king in the reverse universe?
crimson dawn
Found this on Twitter, (art by jirafffee) do you think he’d be the champ like Ha...
That would be a dope skin
hushed jetty
junker king winston would be sick
crimson dawn
Are there any junker life weaver skin concepts?
I feel like that would make sense with junker symmetra
sullen girder
Are there any junker life weaver skin concepts?
This guy really loves making lifeweaver skin concepts
crimson dawn
This guy really loves making lifeweaver skin concepts
I love how this looks
sullen girder
junker king winston would be sick
Right? Like if not Winston then who’d be junker queen/king in the reverse universe? I mean the only junker skins we seen is sym and genji. I mean for all we know, dva’s junker skin could count as a reverse skin
crimson dawn
Right? Like if not Winston then who’d be junker queen/king in the reverse univer...
What if Junker queen and king swap
hushed jetty
that'd be kinda lame
sullen girder
What if Junker queen and king swap
You mean the guy from jq’s short?
crimson dawn
Yeah
hushed jetty
well actually
i guess we'd get outcast jq but thats it
which may or may not be interesting
crimson dawn
I hate the hanzo and genji skins we got sm
sullen girder
I hate the hanzo and genji skins we got sm
Which one’s specifically?
hushed jetty
hashimoto and junker i guess
hushed jetty
that'd be the most obvious answer but tbh a lot of things about mirrorwatch arent the most obvious swaps
like im sure everyone wouldve expected moira and mercy to be swapped but no, mercy leads talon
frankly its more interesting this way
sullen girder
hashimoto and junker i guess
The hashimoto skin I agree but I think junker genji is ok, though kinda disappointed that it’s an epic skin though
crimson dawn
like im sure everyone wouldve expected moira and mercy to be swapped but no, mer...
I have a feeling they might’ve done that because she was the mythic tbh
sullen girder
like im sure everyone wouldve expected moira and mercy to be swapped but no, mer...
Never thought that a healer would lead an evil organization, that’s definitely an interesting twist. Usually the strongest person is the leader
hushed jetty
I have a feeling they might’ve done that because she was the mythic tbh
well they didnt Have to make her the mythic. i wouldve expected a reaper mythic maybe as strike commander or something
or a soldier mythic with him being reaperfied
sullen girder
or a soldier mythic with him being reaperfied
Yeah I definitely thought that the mythic would go to either soldier or reaper for this theme
hushed jetty
maybe in mirrorwatch 2, if we get one
crimson dawn
maybe in mirrorwatch 2, if we get one
I think we have enough heroes for that
sullen girder
maybe in mirrorwatch 2, if we get one
I think the next part would be reverse junker vs reverse vishkar. I’d love to see vishkar lucio and junker Winston. And I’d love to see a oasis being a junker wasteland, I’d imagine it being graffiti and trash everywhere
hushed jetty
maybe
junker winston, sym, lw, vs vishkar hog, rat, jq, maybe ball
crimson dawn
maybe
junker winston, sym, lw, vs vishkar hog, rat, jq, maybe ball
You’d think ball would be Winston in this and be apart of overwatch though
hushed jetty
potentially
sullen girder
maybe
junker winston, sym, lw, vs vishkar hog, rat, jq, maybe ball
… I’m sorry but I don’t even see rat as a vishkar employee.
peak escarp
that's kinda the point of mirrorwatch
hushed jetty
well i dont see reinhardt as a member of talon either but Here We Are
sullen girder
I just realized, wouldn’t talon Mei use fire instead of ice?
hushed jetty
not necessarily
crimson dawn
Guys would Ashe take Cassidy’s story in mirror watch
hushed jetty
maybe rat is a sort of demolitions guy for vishkar construction
he takes down structures in a Controlled way
and isnt completely nuts
crimson dawn
Guys would Ashe take Cassidy’s story in mirror watch
If so would she join overwatch or talon
hushed jetty
depends on if cass is the deadlock leader or in talon
crimson dawn
depends on if cass is the deadlock leader or in talon
Cassidy is the deadlock leader that’s what his new battle pass skin is I’m pretty sure
sullen girder
If so would she join overwatch or talon
Oh definitely ow. After all, Cassidy was in the blackwatch team so it makes sense that reverse Ashe would be a blackwatch agent as well
crimson dawn
What do you think it is?
sullen girder
Cassidy is the deadlock leader that’s what his new battle pass skin is I’m prett...
Would bob still be with her?
peak escarp
of course
hushed jetty
idk. maybe its just off theme
crimson dawn
Would bob still be with her?
Ngl I’d like to imagine Bob and echo would swap even if that makes no real sense
hushed jetty
echo is in blackwatch
sullen girder
Ngl I’d like to imagine Bob and echo would swap even if that makes no real sense
My thoughts exactly
crimson dawn
echo is in blackwatch
Still confused how that makes sense
hushed jetty
shrugs
crimson dawn
unless echo actually is swapping with Cassidy
hushed jetty
instead of being built to copy people and live and whatnot, she was built as a weapon
crimson dawn
unless echo actually is swapping with Cassidy
And that would mean Bob and Ashe are swapping roles
crimson dawn
And that would mean Bob and Ashe are swapping roles
: ASHE DO SOMETHING
sullen girder
I’m still kinda sad we don’t get to see reverse ow skins, I mean they only mad 3 and one of them is an epic. The other talon agents are mauga, reaper and Moira.
crimson dawn
the swaps are not that literal
I was joking
sullen girder
OVERWATCH MAUGA PLEASE GOD
Had these on me for a while now
crimson dawn
What’s the new baptiste battle pass skin supposed to be
hushed jetty
YES
peak escarp
why is he blue
crimson dawn
What’s the new baptiste battle pass skin supposed to be
Does anyone know
hushed jetty
i dont think the baptiste skin is on theme either
sullen girder
i dont think the baptiste skin is on theme either
Yeah, pretty sure it’s a non-themed skin
peak escarp
every season has 1-2 skins that aren't on theme
hushed jetty
its cool to pretend thats what baptiste would be like if he was still in talon though
peak escarp
this season has Cassidy and Baptiste
hushed jetty
lord knows why he would be scorpion themed
crimson dawn
i dont think the baptiste skin is on theme either
I’m pretty sure Cassidy’s is though
But they couldn’t have called it “deadlock” because there already is a deadlock Cassidy skin
sullen girder
I mean the missed potential we could’ve had this season
Though they might add new skins we never seen yet. after all, these skins aren’t in the game yet
hushed jetty
yeah there will be more skins in the shop
peak escarp
they usually add them at the midseason patch
hushed jetty
frankly its weird venture released with absolutely 0 skins though
crimson dawn
he's an old-timey cowboy
I heard some people say it’s supposed to be if Cassidy was Ashe/deadlock leader
peak escarp
why
hushed jetty
like damn at least mauga had a battlepass skin
sullen girder
they usually add them at the midseason patch
Most likely around the Porsche collab sometime this month I assume
hushed jetty
frankly its weird venture released with absolutely 0 skins though
i hope this isnt a trend with future heroes as a trade off for releasing immediately for free
sullen girder
i hope this isnt a trend with future heroes as a trade off for releasing immedia...
I kinda figured it’d be like mauga’s situation, literally no default legendary skins. Not even a default epic skin
crimson dawn
What would be a good skin for venture anyway
sullen girder
What would be a good skin for venture anyway
Maybe a mummy skin?
hushed jetty
denture venture 😭
past copper
frankly its weird venture released with absolutely 0 skins though
That’s the new plan
Get the new hero for free
Pay to get their epic and legendary skins from shop
past copper
I mean. It would balance out the whole new hero free upon release
crimson dawn
Wait how can I post pictures here I wanted to share something
hushed jetty
you need the regular role
past copper
surely not......
Alongside the fact OW coins are now in the battlepass
crimson dawn
you need the regular role
How do I get that please?
past copper
How do I get that please?
You have to come around more often then a blue moon
In other words, be a regular participant in the server… I guess
crimson dawn
I just wanted to send pictures of mauga’s lore outfits
hushed jetty
i predict that next season we finally get the hawaiian shirt skin
(coping) (coping) (coping)
crimson dawn
i predict that next season we finally get the hawaiian shirt skin
I want his talon skin and his mission outfit
Too
Also casual sojourn from her cinematic? I like those types of skins
peak escarp
I would love casual Sojourn
crimson dawn
I would love casual Sojourn
Would finally give her a good a skin
peak escarp
she's got a few good ones
peak escarp
hushed jetty
mermaid, casual, barista
crimson dawn
It’s a crime she gets so much less love than JQ and Kiriko
peak escarp
true
acoustic ice
today i had a shower thought: why is chateau guillard in the middle of water?
hushed jetty
idk thats just where it Is i guess
prime quiver
Asa Yamagami
thx u 2
viral tendon
Speaking of sojourn was her lack of biological limbs a birth defect? Or an accident? Since all her limbs are cybernetic
worthy rose
Speaking of sojourn was her lack of biological limbs a birth defect? Or an accid...
Probably an accident
Or just a Sombra type deal where she wanted enhancements
tranquil orbit
Sojourn has an autoimmune disease and so got her cybernetics to make sure she could use her limbs properly
rare trail
" As part of the treatment, Vivian had her affected organs and limbs replaced with state-of-the-art cybernetic ones."
peak escarp
replacing her limbs eased the strain on her body, and her organs were replaced to combat the disease
reef hamlet
she has an interaction with genji where she says she learned her body couldnt keep up with her at a young age
peak escarp
she had her first surgery at 13
ivory nexus
The lore of Winston is that he escaped from prison where they only fed him bananas, now he is on earth where he was given some cool but modest armour by the united monkey and gorilla society on earth (they help weaponize escaped gorilla convicts to fight in illegal boxing rings) after his successful boxing career with 15/23/5 he left the fighting to join the USMC where he rose to the rank of colonel before being dishonourably discharged for reasons I cannot specify. After all the hardships in life he was elected to be on the overwatch roster where he became the best character in the games.
peak escarp
!!shitposting
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ivory nexus
How is that shit posting
peak escarp
that's not Winston's lore
ivory nexus
It took me 15 minutes to write that out
Fuck you man you don't know Winston's REAL lore
peak escarp
this is a serious discussion channel, not a place for fanfics
ivory nexus
That isn't fiction it's reality pal cold hard reality.....
peak escarp
source?
ivory nexus
Look on the wiki
peak escarp
the wiki is not a source
ivory nexus
Yes it is and you will find it there
past copper
You know what else is reality? Getting a mod in here
twilit patrol
Fuck you man you don't know Winston's REAL lore
ivory nexus
Lmfao I got a warning for stating that this is true lore
past copper
Nothing you said is lore
And stop being toxic towards Doc for calling out your shitposting
wooden sleet
So is venture getting a origin trailer?
wooden sleet
The one where they fought a bunch of talon grunts
wise tulip
venture doesn’t have a tragic backstory or anything and i think it’s cool to have characters like that too
they’re just a silly lil goofball
wise tulip
like damn at least mauga had a battlepass skin
even then he’s completely missing his talon armor skin or his tropical shirt like wtf
why would they not have those???
there are like 5 people working on this game lol
really disappointed that this happened again with venture
peak escarp
this could be the new normal, since heroes are free
wise tulip
huge disappointment
it’s nice to have legendaries you can simply buy with earned credits
peak escarp
well now you can earn coins to spend on store legendaries
reef hamlet
yeah, but only 600/ battle pass
when most skins cost 1000+ and are usually in bundles too
wise tulip
yea
i think what makes it even dumber is that in the samoa map mauga’s tropical shirt is RIGHT THERE
tranquil orbit
venture doesn’t have a tragic backstory or anything and i think it’s cool to hav...
Tbh the lack of detail for me was disappointing
It's not even that they needed to be crazy fleshed out but i feel like weve only had 1/3 of a reveal
peak escarp
they just don't have much in their backstory to tell
even their bio is pretty minimal
wise tulip
i think venture is a character who’d have more story to tell over time from new adventures rather than just past ones
also why are there no venture and junkrat interactions :(
wise tulip
i feel like they would be very silly together
i could see them getting along in interactions
pretty much everyone is mean to junkrat
tranquil orbit
tbh just focusing on their origin trailer they only have around 30 seconds of animation even dedicated to them so it's no wonder ppl forget that they even have one
this is in comparison to the normal 1min-1min30
tranquil orbit
even their bio is pretty minimal
i hope it's a case of having more thats unrevealed rather than the fact theyre purposefully pulling money away from it
there were a few og heroes that didnt launch w much at all like zen and lucio but generally theyve been pretty consistnet
peak escarp
they're fairly young, it's not unrealistic for them to not have done much in their life yet
tranquil orbit
feel like we talked abt this one before 😭 i disagree still
peak escarp
like someone else said, their story is more about what happens next than what has already happened
tranquil orbit
ik but like little things to add context wouldnt have hurt
how are the wayfinders like
whats ventures dynamic w that organisation
doesnt need to be anything crazy but small extra things like this make origin stories memorable imo
wise tulip
that i can understand
would be neat to know
although i don’t imagine it would make the origin story last that much longer
i’m really liking the silly dynamic with mauga and venture
it sounds just like sibling rivalry
acoustic ice
if venture is canadian why do they speak spanish
hushed jetty
mexican-canadian
worthy rose
Hello
viral tendon
quiet ridge
hushed jetty
they really need to discover other genres of hispanic
other than those 3 we have (checks notes) illari
tranquil orbit
only 2 south american characters is also pretty crazy
cynical side of me says it's a money thing because it's probably that the continent isnt massively profitable for OW
theyve neglected it on the esports side asw
tranquil orbit
venture is canadian?
tbh i dont blame u for this either youre not the only person ive heard who was surprised to hear that
tranquil orbit
i think it was a weird choice to make them from nova scotia and just kinda never rly tap into the canadian side of them at all
tranquil orbit
the third story from Heroes Ascended has been posted
oooo lets go
hushed jetty
i was hoping venture would be first nations or quebecois but alas
tranquil orbit
same i was predicting Quebecois
merry token
I wish that they would explore pharah’s First Nations culture more
peak escarp
same
even just telling us what tribe her dad is from
the author of Declassified said that he was most likely from a Coast Salish tribe
but it would be nice to have that somewhere official
pure geyser
Overwatch just confirmed Venture as a transmasc nonbinary character, THEY’RE JUST LIKE ME 
Ref: banners, Venture has a trans, rainbow and nonbinary banner
peak escarp
transmasc?
where was that confirmed?
also we've known they were nonbinary since they were announced back at Blizzcon, this isn't new
they have a trans banner because nonbinary falls under the trans umbrella
merry token
Venture is just nb and they have no confirmed agab!
Although they do have an (arguably) more masculine lean, we shouldn’t really be assuming that they are afab because that’s not anyone’s business (canon-wise, at least)
pure geyser
Transmasc doesn’t have to be afab but I see your point
shell hearth
Inthink
merry token
Transmasc people generally are afab
shell hearth
Sorry
typo ;-;
I think that venture needs more sprays before we can assume a masculine definition. Not that it’s my business sorry ;-;
carmine willow
y are there so many canadians
carmine willow
can ventures nationality just be the ruins instead
carmine willow
ok but americans are cooler
peak escarp
2 Swedish
carmine willow
the swedish are also cooler
peak escarp
rude
carmine willow
kiriko isnt real
and the australians are peak overwatch
kiriko should be omitted from all ow lore discussion
peak escarp
why
carmine willow
how did she train with genji and hanzo at -10 years old
peak escarp
she didn't
carmine willow
yeah cuz she doesnt exist, kiriko doesnt exist so there is no lore to talk abt
peak escarp
carmine willow
kiriko is a moira-induced hallucination that has infected everyone
peak escarp
!!shitposting
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carmine willow
mb zeppelin
carmine willow
she didn't
kiriko lore video
or whatever that was called
hanzo and genji depicted as teens next to young kiriko but from their ages she shouldnt even be born yet lmao
peak escarp
you mean this
first off, art is subjective
in present day, Kiriko is 26, Hanzo is 40 and Genji is 37
in that image, Kiriko is around 4, Genji is around 15 and Hanzo is around 18
the ages work perfectly fine
crimson dawn
in present day, Kiriko is 26, Hanzo is 40 and Genji is 37
I thought kiriko was stated to be 21?
hushed jetty
canonically yes but this doesnt make Any sense since she was 14 when kojiro shimada died and that happened 12 years ago
crimson dawn
canonically yes but this doesnt make Any sense since she was 14 when kojiro shim...
Why can’t they get ages right
Pretty sure sojourn’s age is also messed up
crimson dawn
Will they fix kiriko’s?
crimson dawn
they do get ages right
We’re discussing kiriko’s age
hushed jetty
Will they fix kiriko’s?
i would hope so
that or some explanation as to why she's 21