lore-discussion

[sullen girder]

And the shop skins are usually the popular skins

[dawn topaz]

I mean atleast most of the battlepass skins are on theme...

scorpion bap and the ugly cass skin are the only ones that don't fit the mirrorwatch theme, right?

compare that to season 1 where iirc 2 skins were on topic

3 if you count edm d.va

[worldly lintel]

fellas, are there any canonically furry heroes

[dawn topaz]

Yeah I think Winston and Hammond have fur

[worldly lintel]

there was a theory a while back about winston being soldier 76's fursona

which i think was soft confirmed by blizz

[sullen girder]

Yeah but you can’t expect each bp skin to be on theme with the season.

[dawn topaz]

well yeah

(ignoring him already having a talon skin which could easily be a substitute)

[warm shadow]

No

[silent orchid]

Anyone got a decent video essay on the updated lore?

Cuz i’ve only seen videos of old stuff

[peak escarp]

depends how up to date you want

also how long you want

there's a shorter one that I helped SVB make that's about 30 minutes, and there's a better, longer one by Hammeh that's 1:46:15

[golden oak]

@peak escarp What do you think happened to Mina Liao in mirrorwatch universe

[peak escarp]

same thing as in the canon universe, except she made Echo to be a weapon for Blackwatch

[golden oak]

Athena is in talon tho

[peak escarp]

stolen

probably

[golden oak]

So do you think watchpoint Gibraltar belonged to overwatch and talon just took over?

[golden oak]

They made her goth too, if that’s the case lol

[peak escarp]

that's on brand for Talon

[peak escarp]

yes

[golden oak]

I need to know what happened to Winston, Jack, Gabriel

They should drop a comic honestly

Like they did with starwatch

[hushed jetty]

i dont have a good source but apparently reaper and 76 were planned for the season but were dropped

[peak escarp]

art director Dion Rogers mentioned that several skin concepts were considered for mirrorwatch, but they were cut for space

he also showed interest in a Part 2, so maybe we'll get them some day

[merry token]

I’d like soldier’s alternate path for him to have realized that his relationship was becoming too one-sided and him taking another job in order to spend more time with Vincent 😔

[silent orchid]

Im fine with the longer one, i just want a good one cuz the ow lore is lowk confusing specially without a story mode

And i havent read all the comics either

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/4wVaqOQS-xU

[hushed jetty]

yeee found a source https://x.com/omnicpost/status/1783286872661266676

The Omnic Post (@omnicpost) on X

During an interview with Skiesti, Dion Rogers, the art director for Overwatch, shared that the team has more Mirrorwatch concepts lying around, like the much-requested Vishkar Lucio and a Junker Winston. They hope to use these in case they get to do a second Mirrorwatch event.

Twitter · Apr 25, 2024, 12:08 AM

mirrorwatch part 2 would be so goated

[short walrus]

I wish they showed but that’s peak

[tranquil orbit]

VISHKAR LUCIO IS REAL‼️

[dreamy shoal]

Why can winston talk? I don't know much about his lore cuz I don't care about him but why can he talk?

[rare trail]

he has genetic alterations

[dreamy shoal]

That's it? Is there no answer that goes into detail?

[peak escarp]

that's it

what more detail do you need?

[dreamy shoal]

Like what genetic altercation?

[peak escarp]

they don't give detail on that

[dreamy shoal]

That's crazy

[peak escarp]

probably alterations to make him (and the other subjects) more human

[sullen girder]

I finally get to play on talon Gibraltar map, but I’m kinda unimpressed by it. Basically a recolor

[sullen girder]

I guess this means mirrorwatch will come back. I bet 5 bucks both vishkar lucio and junker winston are shop skins

[peak escarp]

maybe

[sullen girder]

When it comes out, you think they’ll make a vishkar recolor of junkertown or a junkertown recolor of oasis?

[peak escarp]

those might be tough to pull off

[sullen girder]

Are you sure cause I “finally” played the talon Gibraltar map, and it doesn’t seem much I mean all they did was turn things from blue to red. I mean for a junker version of oasis, I would imagine looking the same but with graffiti and trash everywhere

[peak escarp]

I guess

[sullen girder]

And vishkar junkertown, I’d imagine it be a little cleaner, no graffiti (though that might be the hard part) and maybe a maybe a flying drone or 2

[dreamy shoal]

So when dva mitigates with defence matrix where do the projectiles and bullets go?

[peak escarp]

she shoots them with tiny lasers

you can see it better in Shooting Star

[merry mason]

This seems like backwards thinking to me

[sullen girder]

Can you elaborate?

[merry mason]

Gibraltar swap was chosen because it requires less effort l, it wasn’t chosen to be the map that would be low effort anyway

[silk lark]

!!lorestrongest

[twilit nacelle]

The strongest heroes in the lore are Winston, Orisa, Doomfist and Mauga. Sigma, Symmetra and Lifeweaver are potentially stronger but their power is speculative.

[hushed jetty]

thank GOD

[peak escarp]

yeah I had them make a command for when people come in asking

figured it would come in handy

[hushed jetty]

bless up

[blazing pendant]

OMFG WRING CHANNEL

[keen summit]

THANK YOU

[keen summit]

Based

[worthy rose]

is the omnic uprising a revolution or a demonstration??

[rare trail]

wdym

[worthy rose]

is it peaceful or nah

i used the dbh words my bad

[rare trail]

which uprising?

[keen summit]

You mean rams?

[worthy rose]

nah nah

the og

one

when they gained consciousness

[rare trail]

ohh

[keen summit]

I mean therexwas no uprising

[rare trail]

the awakening was mostly peaceful

a few stayed to fight but most were chill

[keen summit]

Some chose to keeo fighting, some stopped, some joined humanity

Watch genesis for extensive info

[hushed jetty]

apparently the number of omnics that didnt side with anubis was "more than 50%" which implies it was a majority but not a huge one
which is interesting to me

this is from declassified i think

i might be interpreting that wrong

[golden oak]

NEED Vishkar Lucio

And soldier, reaper

[dawn topaz]

So what's the timeline of orisa models?

Reinhardt Cinematic, Uprising/Null Sector, OR-15, Orisa, Orisa 2, OR-Unit?

[peak escarp]

OR14 (omnic crisis variant)

OR14 (Null Sector variant)

OR15

Orisa (Overwatch 1 variant)

Orisa (OVerwatch 2 variant)

that's it

[half pelican]

honse

[peak escarp]

the OR-Unit skin is non canon

[dawn topaz]

I see

[golden oak]

Love how they gave her that blade in the skin (spear) but too bad it’s green when you use your abilities

New skin

[dawn topaz]

Love how they gave it to that skin but not OR14 (Null Sector)

Almost as amazing as the recolor for the demon skin having it's own spear while the original does not

[digital linden]

will we be getting a proper venture origin story at some point?

[wicked locust]

so like cassidy became a bounty hunter after blackwatch was disbanded right

so how come he never went after the deadlock gang, because i asume he knew where they were at

[rare trail]

he and ashe werent on great terms after he got arrested and put into blackwatch

[wicked locust]

i meant like

bounty hunted the gang

and turned them in

idk i feel like if i was tryna make money i'd go after one of the most notorious gangs in NA

[rare trail]

i dont think cassidy is just going after money

"He resurfaced several years later as a gunslinger for hire, fighting for causes he believed were just."

[wicked locust]

makes sense tbh

[split hawk]

Are they gonna keep ignoring ramattra skins

[rare trail]

well hes dead in mirrorverse

[worthy rose]

I will give 2.500 OW coins to whoever can help me beta test my game, dm me for more info. 😄

[half pelican]

slash serious ????

[worthy rose]

?

[half pelican]

r u serious like 2500 coins

[worthy rose]

now that you mention it, it's probably a bit much, but it's currently worth it to me, I'm just before the release

its like 1 - 2 nice skins lol

[half pelican]

yesm yesm

[dreamy shoal]

Why do the wings on mercy's suit not flap when she flies? Their just stationary aren't bird supposed to flap their wings to stay airborne?

Also does her suit need like....batteries?

[rare trail]

mercys wings seem to be mostly cosmetic given theyre not like air foils or anything

or at least like

she doesnt fly like a plane or bird flies

[half pelican]

i'd assume that her suit is more like a missle that you guide ngl, she has a soft fall ability and can fly to other teammates, plus theyre more of a display than practical sometimes ( like flaunting them in the pve scenes we got ) but they do have some sort of flight ability

[rare trail]

yeah she flies in storm rising

[half pelican]

ya !

[rare trail]

its probably more like how rockets propel themselves

[sullen girder]

Hey, do you think reverse mercy is the leader of reverse talon?

[golden oak]

She is

[rare trail]

?

i dont think theyve ever met

[flat tide]

yea i think so too

[rich vector]

i also agree

[flat tide]

i second this

[rich vector]

me too

[flat tide]

https://songtrivia2.io/en/play/withfriends?r=163346

[rare trail]

mercy's flying seems more comparable to like pharah than a bird or plane

[peak escarp]

yes

[past copper]

Can we take the time to appreciate Null Sector Orisa?

Really love the newer design more then the OG

[rare trail]

the new skin feels a lot more like specifically orisa rather than one of many idinas

[past copper]

I honestly think Ram probably could’ve brought back the idina models

[dawn topaz]

it's the hair

[past copper]

Just not in great numbers like Anubis did

[dawn topaz]

it feels weird for a weapon to have hair

[past copper]

Bc to be fair, the idina models were a force to be reckoned with against anyone

[rare trail]

yeah an idina could take down a crusader thats like quite strong

[past copper]

They were specifically designed to kill the Crusaders at the time then became the heavy units of Anubis ground forces

Ram potentially could have built more, but maybe it wouldn’t have worked since military are aware how to counter them

[rare trail]

do they ever explain like why rein got to keep his armor

[past copper]

There’s no reason he would have lost it

[rare trail]

like he doesnt own it does he? wouldnt it have been supplied by the german government?

[rare trail]

no like

[past copper]

The Crusaders armor is the same as their very life. Inseparable

Besides, if the German government took armor from the fallen Crusaders, they would have taken Balderich’s armor from the castle

[peak escarp]

Reinhardt took his armor with him when he joined Overwatch

why wouldn't he own the armor?

[brisk olive]

The old skin looks better

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh i like the detail of rein ditching his helmet

Like i realise it was probably just to make his character a bit more distinguishable but i think it also marks a shift in his character

Altho thats not to say that the old helmet wasnt clean because it was

[trim dagger]

do you like men

[past copper]

Would you wanna wear a helmet with the kinda hair Rein has?

I can only imagine how long it took him to get his head in before they showed up to Paris

[tranquil orbit]

That shit does NOT look fits fr 😭

Acc i just noticed that he's still wearing his 08 armour in paris

But has switched to his 09 armour by the time of the pve missions

I wonder where and who gave him the upgrades maybe he gave torb a quick visit before

Or maybe brig helped him out altho idk how that happens without a workshop

[visual zinc]

the mirrorverse has sooo much potential like what abt hanzo and genji?? reaper?? soldier?? tracers gf?? widows husband

[hushed jetty]

apparently reaper and soldier were planned

to have skins, that is

i wish they did what they did for questwatch and had the text box stories

[rare trail]

hanzo and genji both have skins for mirrorwatch

gerard has a voiceline abt him

hes alive

in mirrorwatchverse

[past copper]

It was Brigitte and Winston before they hit Rio

Also, to those who wanted it

I don’t think that implies seeing those skins anytime soon, but it shows Blizzard actually listens

[dawn topaz]

mirrorwatch permanent mode with new heroes added to it each season

[past copper]

They only way Mirrorwatch would stay is to test out new abilities

[tranquil orbit]

Thanks for the info!

Also i think theyll 100% do a mirror watch part 2 if it means theyll get money from it

And i get the feeling this bp theme is probably one of the best selling ones theyve done

It definitely seems to have gotten the most attention

So thats good news

[dreamy shoal]

Why is mercy the leader of reverse talon? Shouldn't it be soldier 76 cuz he was the og leader of overwatch?

[rare trail]

i dont think things are like directly mirrored

like sym being a junker isnt exactly a mirror

or genji being a junker

[tranquil orbit]

Yh tbh i also wouldnt stress too much abt crafting a story out of the new mirrorverse

Some of the story elements from the main storyline are flipped in there but idt the emphasis is on it being cohesive

It's v much skins and art first

[hushed jetty]

frankly its more interesting when it isnt a 1-to-1 flip

[dawn topaz]

yeah

[hushed jetty]

like, tracer is both reaper and widow

and widow is both ana and tracer

[tranquil orbit]

Yh like the 1 to 1 flip for symm was gonna be dj w her and lucio

Which im kinda happy they didnt go w because junker symm is fire

[dawn topaz]

Can someone jog my memory how is gwishin relevant again?

[hushed jetty]

like in general?

[dawn topaz]

They like, attacked d.va in her cinematic or something

[rare trail]

they arent really

[tranquil orbit]

Theyre still there in korea

[rare trail]

their only role in lore is to be the reason mekas exist

[tranquil orbit]

I would take a look back at the comic where cass recruits dva

[hushed jetty]

the korean sea has an omnium in it, which reactivated one day and attacks korea every once in a while

[tranquil orbit]

I remember also seeing busan was one of the pve location maps

[hushed jetty]

the gwishin are the drones from that omnium

[dawn topaz]

I see

[tranquil orbit]

Ik the story is v much open to changes

But there was some indication that at some point ow mightve helped out

Sorta like a tit for tat situation ig for recruiting dva

[past copper]

It wasn’t reactivated. It never shut down. It’s the only Omnium that’s been activate since the Crisis

[hushed jetty]

ah i see

i guess they couldnt be assed to go down there and shut it down

[past copper]

The omnium is supposedly under water beneath the waves of the East China Sea

It’s impossible to get to because of this

There’s no way to reach it before ominc forces assault any vessel that comes within range of the factory

And they can’t just blow up the factory without causing a nuclear fallout that could contaminate the entire area

Nobody wants another Bikini Atoll on their hands just to destroy killer war machines

[sharp trench]

do y'all think nuclear weapons exist in the overwatch world

or existed

[peak escarp]

yes, but they would have limited impact against omnics so they weren't used during the crisis

besides the initial explosion, the nuclear fallout would be more harmful to humans than to omnics

[sharp trench]

what about their EMP effects? surely they could've been used against omniums at the very least to create an EMP that would knock out power

[peak escarp]

I believe Declassified mentioned EMPs being used, but the omnics learned to adapt

[sharp trench]

how would they adapt against EMPs

[peak escarp]

I don't remember, I'd have to check the book again

[sharp trench]

is the book out anywhere on PDF yet

[peak escarp]

no

[sharp trench]

rip

[golden oak]

Would ramattra consider orisa and echo one of his people or no
From interactions it seems like he would

[sharp trench]

he probably does, but views them more as traitors (or would view them as traitors)

[peak escarp]

possibly, but Echo and Orisa aren't sentient

they're not true omnics

[golden oak]

Yeah that’s why I’m asking

[tranquil orbit]

i think ram is more generally angered by oppression by humans but maybe thats just my opinion

i think the way he put those headpieces on omnics during the toronto missions says a lot abt what really motivates him

even like his iconic lines like "suffer as i have"

idk maybe it's just me but i always saw mondatta as making much more of an effort to be a rallying figure than ram is

[sullen girder]

That’s kinda odd, I mean you usually don’t heard of a healer being a leader of an organization, let alone an evil one

Also I just found this…….. how do we feel about this?

[hushed jetty]

breikka wins again

[sullen girder]

Also I found this concept of mirrorwatch Moira

[tranquil orbit]

cleannnnn

[sullen girder]

Art by nekeitoototo

[tranquil orbit]

idk why so many ppl were fussing abt this and the hanzo skin

they look so nice

[sullen girder]

Maybe because it looks like a epic skins but they labeled it as a legendary skin

[tranquil orbit]

idk im never to fussed abt classifications and whatnot character models are character models and those labels are arbitrary

maybe i say this because i dont rly spend money on skins like that but i just think what looks nice should be appreciated 😭

[past copper]

Hmm. I wonder what Junkrat, Roadhog, and Junker Queen would be like in Mirrorwatch

I would think on Hammond, but I’d say he either is apart of Overwatch or Talon

All things considered, it probably be more like he is in Talon possibly

[dreamy shoal]

Why does soldier 76 talk like a cheap ripoff of batman?

[past copper]

Especially since Winston would be in Talon

[hushed jetty]

wonston would be a junker actually

they said they had a junker winston concept that they didnt add

[acoustic ice]

with how talon reinhardt talks about rage and being controlled by ana, would that make him parallel to normalverse sigma

[rare trail]

more like reaper it hink

[past copper]

We need Sigma in Overwatch. Get him the proper help he needs and use his gift for good

[rare trail]

sigma isnt really like controlled by moira hes just doing research

reaper is more controlled by her though

[young wharf]

He’s not

He has like mental issues but reaper seems to be under Moira than sigma himself

🤷🤷

[acoustic ice]

i thought i read gift card from this

[half pelican]

i loathe that artist 😭

[hushed jetty]

more like reaper, sigma isnt that angry

[merry token]

She definitely has some “interesting” works 😭😭

[half pelican]

yeah,,, interesting 😭

[acoustic ice]

i actually forgot about reaper when thinking about talon rein

itt actually makes more sense given reaper is also a slave to moira

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh when u deep it a lot of the characters have close similarities to others but thats just fiction in general

Proper originality is overrated and acc not rly what makes a good story all the time

Like cass is v similar to the gambit archetype

Winston has similarities to beast/banner

Ram has the exact same motivations and drive as magneto

I could go on

Point is that these similarities arent necessarily a bad thing it's an overwatch take on them that makes them special

[sharp trench]

Sodler 66

[golden oak]

Route 76

[golden oak]

I need to see more mirrorwatch concepts

[tranquil orbit]

Someone sent some cool art of Vishkar lucio w blue dreads it was v cool

I wonder if theyd change his music

[worthy bay]

I wonder what Dva’s up to in this universe

[sullen girder]

Here you go

Including this concept art I found

[tranquil orbit]

Cheers tysm 🫡

[tranquil orbit]

I rly like how they streamlined the Vishkar uniform for this one asw and the hard light amplifier is chefs kiss

[sullen girder]

I also found this concept of junker Winston the someone posted an hour ago (art made by jirafffee)

[tranquil orbit]

Woahhhhh

How do u find all these talented artists 😭

My twitter needs more of this

But thats acc so good

[sullen girder]

Mainly Twitter, I also searched what things I wanna see like “Vishkar lucio” and theirs that

[tranquil orbit]

I guess maybe i dont search hard enough in that case 😭

I need to follow some of these guys to make my feed better

[sullen girder]

Also it’s kinda funny how people are more into vishkar lucio and not into junker Winston

[tranquil orbit]

I think it's because lucio has a v strong fanbase and he gets shafted a ton story wise

[sullen girder]

I guess that’s true. I hope there will be a part 2 to this whole mirrorwatch thing. Maybe the next one could focus more on junkers vs vishkar

[tranquil orbit]

Mirrorwatch skins are rly grasping for straws but it's something for ppl to latch onto

I think it's v likely

This battle pass theme seems to have gotten them the most attention

I dont remember any of the past ones getting interviews w the art directors and the amount of ppl fishing for unique voicelines

Good sign for sales

I feel like it might be because this is thr only battle pass theme thats kinda correlated to the main story in some way unlike ones like starwatch or the quest onr

Even tho idt story was necessarily their no1 priority when making these even tho it was clearly a factor

[sullen girder]

I would’ve love to see a ow mauga as well

[tranquil orbit]

Yhhh i remember u sending these theyre dope

I wonder if he's a bit cass-esque in the mirrorverse

[sullen girder]

I also found this. The right side is if mauga was still part of the deepsea raiders. You know, back when he’s was all serious and stuff

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh a deep sea raider mauga skin is needed even if they dont mirrorverse it

That and also the red hawaiian shirt

HOW IS THAT NOT A THING YET 😭

It'd automatically become his best look imo

[sullen girder]

And the heavy assault skin from the archives would’ve been nice, I think it’s the most requested skin for him

[tranquil orbit]

Yh thats a good option asw

[sullen girder]

Do you think that skin would most like be an epic?

[tranquil orbit]

That or his black shirt look in his animated short

[tranquil orbit]

Depends cos normally they say that legendary skins are ones that change the character model

Tbh i think it's a bit bs cos it's not uncommon for epics to look better than legendaries

So to answer your q i think it depends on if the shirt changes the character model enough

Like how tracer's slipstream one has the scarf

[sullen girder]

Especially when the devs pass off epic skins as legendary skins. Like the hashimoto skins for hanzo and kiri

[tranquil orbit]

Look tbh idr how those are classified cos i dont rly buy them

But they look so good 😭

Kiri w the little slanted fox mask and the tats

Cmonnnnn

[sullen girder]

Yeah, I’m hoping that kiri’s kitsune for that skin looks the same so I wouldn’t be tempted to buy it. I mean I have almost every shop skin of hers, including her null sector skin.

It’s embarrassing I know

[tranquil orbit]

Kitsune change might be a good shout

They did it for the sakura one so i dont see why not

[tranquil orbit]

Tbf she does get a lot of rly nice skins 😭

If u were gonna spend a lot of money on one character it'd be her to get most value imo

[sullen girder]

Wait they did it for the sakura skin?

[tranquil orbit]

They made the kitsune pink

Wait sorry do u NOT want the kitsune to change i mightve misread 😭

Oh wait i get it now

My bad my bad

[sullen girder]

I mean was, almost every legendary skin she has, including her mythic, the kitsune’s design changes

[tranquil orbit]

Wait acc am i tripping or did they not make the kitsune pink

Im looking back now

Thats some mad mandela effect right there

[sullen girder]

It’s kinda like how for Ashe. depending on what skins she has, bob always looks different

[tranquil orbit]

Yhhh

Speaking of which i hope 1 day they get the guts to do a fully human bob

Hed even look like that one guy w the mutton chops that gave sojourn coffee in her short

[sullen girder]

I was hoping during that kpop event that Ashe would get a free skin on account that bob made an appearance in that kpop music video

[tranquil orbit]

Speaking of that it's kinda crazy how u look back and one of the main singles for le sserafim is an ow video

Like more pr stuff like that pls

Then maybe the ppl upstairs will see enough to get the financial incentive of doing an animated show

Then we can all die happier 🫡

[sullen girder]

lol

[peak escarp]

that wasn't Bob

[sullen girder]

Yeah it is

[peak escarp]

it's an omnic that looks like Bob

[tranquil orbit]

Considering nothing in that video is canon whatsoever i think it could be why not

Altho ig the extra pair of eyes

Nahhh still

Just cos he doesnt have his hat covering them

[spare fox]

Big Omnic Bouncer

[limber coral]

All omnics look the same to that guy smh

[peak escarp]

not really

most of them look like Zenyatta

[worthy rose]

do you mean zendaya

[worthy rose]

oh i was going to ask if thats from overwatch and just realized im on the overwatch server lol, was browsing randomly

[peak escarp]

Heroes Ascendant story Rebuilding Ruins is now available to read for free on the PlayOverwatch website

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/rebuilding-ruins/

featuring Symmetra and Lifeweaver in the Atlantic Arcology

[grand wedge]

Great news!!!

[tranquil orbit]

Great news but also im a bit worried cos i wonder what this means for the sales of the book 😭

I mean i know some ppl like me who arent US Canada were already struggling w the prices but like im still happy i can acc have it now and not need to pirate

[peak escarp]

the book has been out for a while now

and still contains one exclusive story that won't be released for free (one of the better ones IMO)

[tranquil orbit]

The sombra one?

[tranquil orbit]

Yh it has but it's still extremely inaccessible for ppl outside the US so i think it's not crazy to worry abt the sales

[peak escarp]

the Ashe one

[tranquil orbit]

I want them to continue writing and i will absolutely support it if i can acc afford it

And i think that goes for a lot of ppl

I wish theyd change their model of releasing to make this stuff more accessible than doing piecemeal free releases that might not gain the same attention

[peak escarp]

I'm just happy to have digital copies for easy reference

[tranquil orbit]

Agreed thats a massive plus

BUT WHY DID THEY NOT LAUNCH W AN EBOOK 😭😭

[peak escarp]

I hate not having an ebook of Declassified

[tranquil orbit]

I wouldve got that if i didnt need the stupid shipping

[tranquil orbit]

I have a pdf

Do u want it

[peak escarp]

how?

[tranquil orbit]

Basically there was an ebook version on everand

Got a free trial

[spare fox]

oh? How do we know that the others will be online but the Ashe one wont?

[tranquil orbit]

And i ummm

Yk pdf

This last part i wont give away evidence of guilt 💀

[peak escarp]

the end of Rebuilding Ruins and A Friendly Rivalry have an extra page promoting the book that has some specific text

EXCLUSIVE SHORT STORY, ASHE: LUCK OF THE DRAW BY LYNDSAY ELY.```

[spare fox]

ahh cool

I mean, I feel like owning a pdf is fine if you legit cannot access the material (and not just because you don't feel like spending money) but that's just my personal opinion and not like, a legal one ig

[peak escarp]

I want a pdf version, but only if it's an official version

because I had it preordered but they canceled it

[spare fox]

yeah I'd totally have gotten the ebook but I guess blizzard publishing isn't doing them anymore

[tranquil orbit]

u can get a subscription off of everand and access if there if u want some that isnt legally questionable

i do have a straight up pdf tho and it's the same as the everand one

i just like it because it feels a bit better to read off of plus the zooming is better

[tranquil orbit]

it's their own loss ... they tank in sales because of it

but then it comes back to bite us because then they think we arent interested when we are 😭

never forgive the older higher ups like bobby kotick for how we ended up in this situation

absolute madness

[spare fox]

yeah I DO wonder if not making the past two books digital was intentional the same way they sabotaged the PvE

[tranquil orbit]

i can think of no other reason

[spare fox]

"oh look no one's buying it! No one cares about the lore!"

[tranquil orbit]

it just makes so little sense

[spare fox]

yeah.. sucks

[peak escarp]

sabotage 😠

[spare fox]

the ancient french art

dutch, mb

[dawn topaz]

What is the mirrorwatch equivalent of Night Rocker

[dreamy shoal]

I don't think the reason behind the lore books flopping is cuz no one cares for the lore, it's cuz it's a book. Most people are opposed to reading cuz they think its boring. If it were a comic book it would soften the blow a bit cuz it's all pictures with little words of text but still people are opposed to reading.

[spare fox]

they just need to make visual novels amirite?

[tranquil orbit]

Id agree but theyve also made it v inaccessible for ppl who do wanna read it

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh id back this

I think the main sign they'll think abt an animated series tho is if we start getting 3/4 shorts a year again

I say again w a big * because it's been so long since that acc happened

But i think thatll be a sign that the higher ups might be testing the waters if theres ever a chance

[spare fox]

True however last year we got Genesis and the Mauga animation

[tranquil orbit]

Yh im saying 1 more a year and we're good

[spare fox]

But those were probably well into production before pve was canceled

[hushed jetty]

and sojourn

[tranquil orbit]

Sojourn one was a flop tho lets be fr 😭

[hushed jetty]

lmfao

[tranquil orbit]

It hasnt hit a mil yet i swear

[spare fox]

Yup I'm taking about the "extra" ones

[tranquil orbit]

And was basically a pve lore dump prelude

[hushed jetty]

possibly bc it was only available in game at first

[tranquil orbit]

Justice for sojourn

[spare fox]

Because it's on the game client

[hushed jetty]

so most people saw it in game and then couldnt be assed to watch it again on yt

[tranquil orbit]

I guess but i think it's also just genuinely one of the weaker ones story wise

The last animated short in the iconic "recall" style to rly pop off was the kiriko one

Which is 2022 i believe?

I think if we see more of those and them doing well it'll be good signs for an animated series

[hushed jetty]

id like another 3d cinematic in general tbh

[tranquil orbit]

Been a long time coming for certain characters seeing them in 3d

[hushed jetty]

sojourn was Fine but there are a lot of characters in need of one

[tranquil orbit]

Agreed

[hushed jetty]

FRANKLY. give zenyatta one
show us how he got to the monastery or whatever

or what the hell my boy was doing pre-crisis

[tranquil orbit]

I think a joint one w zen and ram could v much be possible

[hushed jetty]

for sure

[tranquil orbit]

Depending on what they had cooking for the pve

It might even exist

And could be salvageable

At least some of those should be in theory even if theyre more ensemble cast shorts

[hushed jetty]

frankly i just need some golden age content at this point

we have barely any media that takes place during that era

[tranquil orbit]

As in a 3d thing like the rialto incident shorts for archives?

Thatd be cool

Id love one w rein and the hivemind hostage situation

Adapting the info in the declassified

[peak escarp]

the only things we have set in the golden age are the flashbacks in Valkyrie

[hushed jetty]

i dont know, just some sort of cinematic or comic or short story taking place during the golden age

[peak escarp]

and The Last Bastion, but that's not really relevant to Overwatch

[hushed jetty]

because Ghad Damn

[tranquil orbit]

Yk what woukd be cool for that acc

Emre 😅

[hushed jetty]

TRUE

[tranquil orbit]

One day one day

Emre and an istanbul map

[hushed jetty]

maybe if/when emre becomes a hero he gets a cinematic

[tranquil orbit]

Surely right

[hushed jetty]

surely

[tranquil orbit]

He'd get so much attention cos ppl have been fussing abt that goddamn photo for AGES

[peak escarp]

he's the new Mauga

[tranquil orbit]

Partially cos of character age debates but also him

[tranquil orbit]

Frrrr

[hushed jetty]

there's a streamer mode name about him too, and the devs have said some of the names are "about heroes who aren't released yet"

so the chance is Not Zero

[tranquil orbit]

Theres also chances for a few of the ex-project titan hero concepts that were mentioned in declassified

[hushed jetty]

trueeee, like soundquake and uh

uh

who was the other one

[peak escarp]

Phreak

[tranquil orbit]

Wildebeest comes to mind as a v clear way to finally introduce a new african hero to the cast

[hushed jetty]

i was not thinking of phreak
was it

wildebeest right i think

[tranquil orbit]

Yk im not sure abt this maybe u can say what u think but yk the green mohawk on phreak kinda reminds me of that new tank thats after space ranger

[peak escarp]

ehh

[tranquil orbit]

That being said the portrait doodle also looks non-humanoid

So im not sure

[hushed jetty]

there's a chance that tank we dont know anything about is phreak actually
assuming the placeholder image is correctly placed in alphabetical order, their name starts with something between s and w

[tranquil orbit]

Colour scheme matches tho

[peak escarp]

how does it look non humanoid?

[tranquil orbit]

Kinda looks like a turtle to me 💀

[hushed jetty]

could also be soundquake based on this

[peak escarp]

it has a human face

[tranquil orbit]

At least compared to venthre and space ranger it looks less human

[tranquil orbit]

Yh but the body tho

[hushed jetty]

is that their "body" or just something on their back

[peak escarp]

Roadhog has a big body

[tranquil orbit]

Plus the face might just be a doodle thing

[tranquil orbit]

Hard to say cos it's so small

Im just running ideas here

[rare trail]

they could like have a placeholder name too

[hushed jetty]

maybe they're just turtle Themed and they got a big spiky shell on

that'd be cool

[tranquil orbit]

I kinda just dont want it to be another junker tho 😭

[hushed jetty]

ok true .

[tranquil orbit]

Yhhh

Thatd be dope

[hushed jetty]

i wonder what space ranger's actual name will be

[rare trail]

also i agree about the junker thing

[merry mason]

first name space last name ranger

[tranquil orbit]

I think she might be meis friend who works for lucheng interstellar

[tranquil orbit]

Lmaooo

[merry mason]

may be

[rare trail]

im fine w/adding junkers but there are an insane amount in the tank role

[tranquil orbit]

Ms. Ranger kinda sounds boss tho

[merry mason]

no more junkers! too many

[tranquil orbit]

I also think they should just add some variety w them if they wanna make more

[hushed jetty]

what we need is a junker support

[tranquil orbit]

Personality wise

[rare trail]

i mean i think theres p good variety with them

[tranquil orbit]

Not everyone from Australia needs to act all mad max

[rare trail]

but like just 3/4 junkers being in tank

and like 25% of tank being junkers when like 10% of the heroes are junkers

[tranquil orbit]

Ive been advocating for an aboriginal australian character tbh if they wanna add more

[hushed jetty]

trueeeeee

and frankly they should confirm roadhog as maori or something

[tranquil orbit]

This asw

[peak escarp]

they should

[tranquil orbit]

Or at least mixed cos it might explain his accent

[merry mason]

they haven't ?

[hushed jetty]

it's heavily implied

but they havent officially said it

[tranquil orbit]

It's like basicsllt confirmed

It's one of those ones that like 90% of ppl accept even if it technically isnt like nailed on

[hushed jetty]

frankly it wouldnt make any sense if he wasnt

his name is mako

like,

[peak escarp]

they should give him some voice lines in te reo

[hushed jetty]

TRUEEEEE

[peak escarp]

and continue to not confirm anything

[tranquil orbit]

Josh petersdorf better get to studying

[hushed jetty]

give reaper some spanish voice lines too fuck it

[peak escarp]

if Lucio and Symm can get native language voice lines after release

[hushed jetty]

not fluent spanish mind you. spanish like he's struggling

spanish like he managed to avoid learning it all his life and is only now trying to learn you feel me

[rare trail]

reaper saying like hola como estas would be awesome

[peak escarp]

Roadhog, Hanzo, Torbjorn, Pharah and Reinhardt can too

[tranquil orbit]

It's ok if it's like spanglish or something asw i think

[hushed jetty]

hell yeah

[tranquil orbit]

He's LA latino i think itd be kinda cool

[hushed jetty]

torb having no swedish lines is such an L

rein having none in german too

bilingualize these mfs

[tranquil orbit]

I acc cant picture torb speaking Swedish yk 😭

His accent feels so off for some reason

[peak escarp]

it's not that surprising when you know that the VAs don't speak those languages natively, but they could still learn to say some phrases

[hushed jetty]

i get that they dont speak the languages (which is a bit of an L) but netiehr does lucio's va

[tranquil orbit]

Yh shoutout jonny cruz for making the effort

[hushed jetty]

for real. the goat

[tranquil orbit]

It's also a good thing theyre making more effort to acc cast more VAs who share a similar background to the characters

[peak escarp]

Torb's VA did learn a Swedish phrase to say to Brigitte's VA at Blizzcon 2018

https://youtu.be/fZgGcyK-kps?t=1751

[tranquil orbit]

Thats acc sweet tho 😭

[peak escarp]

but you gotta hand it to Blizzard's casting, they did a good job finding VAs who could natively speak their hero's language

[tranquil orbit]

Still some in game ones would be cool

[tranquil orbit]

Yh i feel like it's mainly the older characters where theres a bit more of a difference lang wise

[peak escarp]

yeah

[tranquil orbit]

Maybe because they werent paying as much attention or maybe they just didnt have the money idk

[peak escarp]

I think for a lot of them they were focusing more on the personality/energy of the hero

like for Lucio, they wanted a certain energy and they found a VA that could bring it

[tranquil orbit]

Yh ig it makes sense i just feel torb kinda talks more like a fantasy characters sometimes than a swedish man 😭

U can see how thay approach can sometimes be problematic at times

Not always and im not saying it's like the end of the world

But i think their change in approach is for the better is all

[peak escarp]

yeah

[hushed jetty]

if they got johnny cruz to speak portuguese they can get the others to speak Languages

at least their ult lines or something

[grizzled epoch]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/rebuilding-ruins/

Enjoy Lore-D!

[peak escarp]

you're only a few hours late, but thanks!

[grizzled epoch]

I always am

if you notice them posting it feel free to give me a cheeky ping next time

[tropic scroll]

what if venture is actually just a lizard

[sour isle]

I'm for that

Lizard skin but it's just replacing her default so you now have to buy the current default for $20

[barren lark]

Just paste the text next time. Not downloading a pdf lol

[golden oak]

So glad these are getting uploaded

[hushed jetty]

every single short story has been a pdf fyi

[peak escarp]

that's far too much text to just paste

[past copper]

Early skin concepts. Wonder if any hint at next themes

Honestly, kinda wonder where skins are for Venture

Kinda makes me wonder if it’s a new marketing tactic

Make the new hero playable upon release, drop legendary and epic skins for them over time that players have to buy

[spare fox]

Yeah that's the FTP model

At least the heroes are now free instant unlocks

You have to admit that's an ultra sweet deal in a FTP game. Even before when you could still unlock them for free after some grinding was pretty nice

With that being the case I'm totally fine with cosmetics being behind a paywall

[spare fox]

I love all of them!! Omg that DVA mech I NEEED it

[silent orchid]

I can’t wait for venture skinssss

I will spend real money on the game whenever they release venture skins

[dawn topaz]

pizza sigma my beloved

Me looking at all the lovely skins I will never own because 20 $ is too much money for some polygons

[worthy rose]

OMG MEIS CUTEE

NAD KIRIKO

[dreamy shoal]

Illari isn't black right? What's her ethnicity?

[dark mica]

Peru

[tranquil orbit]

Quechua

Which is a broad ppl group term that describes ppl in the andes who speak quechua languages (peru but also in some parts of Ecuador and bolivia)

Ethnicity in SA is a bit more complicated but most Quechua ppl are primarily of indigenous descent

[zenith mango]

Has blizzard posted anymore of the stories form ascendant to their page since the junker one or no

[spare fox]

Yes the Sym and Lifeweaver one was posted yesterday

The link was posted in #overwatch-news

[zenith mango]

Thanks

[sullen girder]

Hey I have a question, can’t omnics in way get fixed or rebuilt? I mean mondatta would’ve still be alive today. Of course even after playing ow for years I still don’t know a lot about omnics

[peak escarp]

the body can be repaired, but his soul is gone

[sullen girder]

Hmm, got it

[quick ravine]

yall i have important lore

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155322517964197980/1233884420646375424/reinhardt.png?ex=662eb7ea&is=662d666a&hm=f252e74ae46c2d7a06e25c72062a698450b4c502513bdf9f72b9b8b70f8f2d32&

[sour isle]

Is that a Sin City crossover in the bottom left?

Also I'm digging the flapper and forest themed skins

[peak escarp]

it's a neo-noir theme

neo-noir is the genre that Sin City is in

it's film noir meets futurism

[sour isle]

But not officially Sin City?

[peak escarp]

no

[sour isle]

Aight

[desert haven]

h\

[fathom canyon]

When it comes to Mirrorwatch. Since Mercy is now the leader of Talon what's her "goal." Doomfist's was like making humanity better through conflict, so what would hers be?

[hushed jetty]

presumably the same one

one of her lines is "in the name of humanity's future, my plans cannot fail" or something

[fathom canyon]

Apparently in her bio it says she wants to create a world where she wields full control over life and death. But like, how does help humanity. Selective reviving?

[peak escarp]

she could completely eliminate disease or even death

[fathom canyon]

true but what would having conflict with overwatch have to do with that

[past copper]

Or she wants to make the world perfect without disease, disability, death etc.

In order to achieve that tho would mean going to extreme and inhumane lengths

Kinda darker than Doomfist’s own agenda when you think about it

[fathom canyon]

yeah maybe, Doomfist's seems more straight to the point of wanting to create a war, whereas Mercy (Or Vengeance I guess) is more on some Unit 731 level type of messed up

[dreamy shoal]

How does widow go out in public with her whole skin situation?

[tranquil orbit]

considering shes a wanted assassin i think her skin is the least of her worries 😭

[peak escarp]

considering she's a wanted assassin would YOU want to be the one to point it out?

people are smart enough to mind their own business

[past copper]

So… you would just walk up to someone ask about their skin color?

I’m sure that conversation ends with a bullet hint hint

[dreamy shoal]

Well real ppl aren't blue/purple

[past copper]

Actually they are. There been documented cases of such things

[merry token]

Yeah, it was a really inbred family

[past copper]

No. Actually it is because of a birth defect where children didn’t get enough oxygen and their skin turned blue from it

[merry token]

Oops 😭, wrong case

[past copper]

There’s also this man. Paul Karason who turned himself blue from taking supplements for years

So really, Widow’s skin color, while unnatural, is very much something that people can get either from birth or from medicine

[dreamy shoal]

He looks like papa smurf

Ew

[past copper]

That’s sadly the thing they call him

[sullen girder]

I wonder how reverse hanzo would feel about the fact that reverse genji is a junker

[tranquil orbit]

Ig at least the shame gets to stay consistent 💀

Im not sure if it was confirmed or not but the headcanon of mirror genji being some kind of bounty hunter in junkertown after being forced out by hanzo always seemed kinda cool

[dusky sun]

does anyone know how i have the origins skins for free (blackwatch reyes, slipstream tracer etc)

[inner stone]

dunno I have them too

tbh I don’t mind

I only have them tho + the soldier one

I don’t have black watch Moira etc

Bc she’s a shop skin

[languid rock]

who got the best donk?

[spare fox]

you might have gotten them through purchasing and owning OW1 before OW2?

[golden oak]

Isn’t that eugenics 💀

[fathom canyon]

Pretty much lmao

[golden oak]

Imo it’s somewhat similar to moira’s

[fathom canyon]

IMO Moira feels more Genetic evolution of humanity. Whereas vengeance mercy seems like they’re bettering the world in messed up ways

[spare fox]

I mean it's probably not that deep tbh

[dawn topaz]

I think it could also be seen as the typical "a world without death and pain has no meaning, life is not worth living" type of deal

like individuality would be non-existant because everyone could do everything in a lifetime

not to mention that if nobody dies, overpopulation would become an issue

[golden oak]

From the bio it seems like she would decide who dies and who gets to live

[viral tendon]

I joined in Oct 23’ and I have them and ion know why; but my sister who joined Onyl a couple weeks prior doesn’t

[spare fox]

it says "unlocked with purchas of Watchpoint Pack, Overwatch: Origins, Game of the Year, or Legendary Editions"

you probably got one of those somehow?

[viral tendon]

I bought a pack I forgot the name of that came with snow widow skin and a moira skin but ion the name so maybe it had smt to do with that

Or a white widow skin lemme get the name

Winter

It’s not that I bought the hero collection one

Maybe I was just lucky ion know

[tropic scroll]

does stealth bastion have any loer

he looks crepy

[spiral epoch]

He is programmed to sing super idol when he kills

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[golden oak]

Ngl mirror mercy should’ve had short hair but y’all not ready for this conversation
(But slick back will do I guess)

[hot hornet]

Is mirrorwatch confirming the existence of a multiverse in the ow universe?

[peak escarp]

no

it's non-canon

[lavish vessel]

That would look cool as one of the hair options

[storm ice]

i told my mom i cried over meis cinamatic and she said "yeah she really got a team kill"😭

[fallow flume]

guys does anybody know the lore of venture

[storm ice]

i dont

[fallow flume]

btw do you think iliary s gun is broken

[peak escarp]

you can find it on their hero page
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/venture/

[wide fossil]

!!tinder

Mf

[vernal bone]

No
It's definitely working

[mortal eagle]

lol

[rare trail]

i still feel like shes very recognizable

ig it doesnt matter much because its not like her targets see her

but she definitely would stick out in a crowd

[tropic scroll]

nah widow maker was actually in a acciden that burned her skin which turned her into a widow herself (mindblowing theory)

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[tropic scroll]

its a theory...

[peak escarp]

it's a shit theory

we know why she's purple

and how her husband died

[tropic scroll]

oh

...

[viral tendon]

Isn’t she purple from Moiras experimentation?

[peak escarp]

yes

[digital linden]

are omnics immortal

[hushed jetty]

no

we lit3rally see mondatta get shot in the head

and fucking die

in fact they are so non-immortal that ramattra is attacking the entire earth over it

[carmine willow]

maybe he means do they live forever if not otherwise killed

[viral tendon]

I think he means can they die from natural causes?

[digital linden]

i know.. when i say immortal i mean do they have a lifespan

like can they just live infinitely or do they have an expectancy

[digital linden]

mhm

[rare trail]

well they can probably live indefinitely

i wonder like if they have to get parts replaced though

[golden oak]

Is sojourn the only character we know with a twin?

And is her sister identical btw

[spare fox]

Iirc it's never mentioned if they're identical

[golden oak]

I think Imma read up on her lore now

[spare fox]

I do notice how with the newer lore and heroes we've seen more info on families-siblings
Zarya's sisters
Lucio's dad
Lifeweaver's family (2 sibs)
JQ's family
Sojourn's family
Reaper's ex family

I'm sure there are others but it's cool that that's smthg they're expanding on

[rare trail]

i would guess that sojourn and valentine arent identical given that like sojourn was born with her disease right?

[golden oak]

Yeah it’s cool to know they actually have something to fight for (other than their ideals, ambitions, morals etc)

[rare trail]

what heroes have family that we've been shown?

[golden oak]

Apparently that’s not always the case

[rare trail]

well yeah identical twins arent like fully identical but idk i think it would be a weird design choice to make them identical and have only one of them have a weird genetic disease

[golden oak]

They made a lot of weird choices already

[rare trail]

yeah thats fair

[golden oak]

And I feel like twins are usually associated with identical twins
Like when I hear someone has a twin I automatically assume they’re identical idk

[rare trail]

iirc theres more fraternal twins than identical

yeah 2 to 1 fraternal to identical

[golden oak]

Yeah but like media and reality is different

Twins in media are usually represented by identical ones from what I’ve seen

[rare trail]

i agree identical twins are more like interesting i guess

[golden oak]

And with fraternal twins you kinda brush it off unless you’re frequently reminded of it

[spare fox]

Yeah fraternal twins are just siblings that were born the same day basically

[spare fox]

Only thing I know is that identical twins have the same DNA but will have different fingerprints bc those develop during gestation

[zenith mango]

Why is Gabriel not in glory days spray

[peak escarp]

I have a list

all the known family members of the Overwatch heroes

[peak escarp]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZE7Ny_CHdcakkQf5z_8_zt2izOtscadN3DVtod7Yw9I/edit

moved it to a google doc for easier access

[wooden sleet]

is it me or trike commander doomfist guantlet looks like he doesnt use cybernetics to enhance himself

[frank jackal]

Isn’t venture a girl? How come everyone saying she doesn’t have a gender..

[lavish vessel]

Because they’re non binary

[halcyon matrix]

Cause she eats my ass

[frank jackal]

I’m a little confused so I’ll put it this way

Coin slot or joystick?

[lavish vessel]

Biologically I think they’re a woman but they’re non binary and use they/them pronouns

[halcyon matrix]

Ahh so they just wanted to say they don't have a gender.

So I can say I'm a transformer basically

Betttt

[peak escarp]

we don't know Venture's biological gender and we probably never will

and we don't need to know

[lavish vessel]

Oh of course, I just assumed they were

All that matters is that they’re non binary

[halcyon matrix]

If she got a pussy we know it's a woman

I'm probably getting banned.

[peak escarp]

don't be vulgar

Venture is nonbinary, their pronouns are they/them

their biological gender is irrelevant

[halcyon matrix]

And yours is also but you go by she/her

Yo all this lgbtq crap confuse me

I don't see how y'all do it but aye I'm cool with y'all either way

[peak escarp]

it's not that difficult

just use whatever pronouns someone tells you to use

and don't make assumptions about people

[halcyon matrix]

Yes sir or ma'am

Or idk.

[peak escarp]

ma'am

[halcyon matrix]

Ohhhh okay okay

My fault

[peak escarp]

ironic that you have trouble with it when you have Mx in your name

Mx is used as the gender neutral form of Mr. or Ms.

[halcyon matrix]

HUH REALLY?

I use it cause it's my dev name😭

[peak escarp]

today you learned something

[halcyon matrix]

Thank you fr tho

[frank jackal]

Since when did this become a thing?

[peak escarp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mx_(title)

the 70s apparently

but it became more commonly used in the last 10 years

[acoustic oasis]

When reporting someone for abusive and it does work, do we get a response from ow2 saying the report was successful & the player was silcenced?

[spare fox]

wrong channel

[zenith mango]

Why is reaper not in the glory days spray

[dreamy shoal]

How do u even say that tho? Mix?

[peak escarp]

yep

[zenith mango]

Does anyone have an answer to my question

[peak escarp]

because Reyes wasn't in that image

that spray is the same as Winston's photo from Zero Hour, which only showed the main Overwatch team

no Blackwatch

Genji is there because he was on the main team after Blackwatch was suspended

[tropic scroll]

where do you guys get most your info

[peak escarp]

there's lists in the pins on this channel

[zenith mango]

Are the tattoos on ventures neck of any significance e

[peak escarp]

not that I'm aware of

[junior oak]

hey guys

[sullen girder]

Hey question, shouldn’t tracers body be a different color? Since the her and widow’s roles have been reversed

[hushed jetty]

its not that literal of a swap

[peak escarp]

aside from assasinating Ramattra, her backstory has more in common with Reaper than Widowmaker (left behind after an accident, seeks revenge against the people that abandoned her)

[lavish vessel]

Yeah I think she’s more of a mix of the two which is really cool, her design even has a couple aspects of both where she has reapers victory pose and widows arm thingy

[warm shadow]

I want the next hero to be italian

[warm shadow]

I want to be represented

I already have the best map in the game [Rialto]

[warm shadow]

Blaackk like carbon ? ?

Whhaatt

???

👍🏻

👎🏿

@sullen girder

[swift trout]

Wait so is that actually her canon backstory for Mirrorwatch

[weary flame]

How the tracer guns reloads and how the tracer guns works?

[swift trout]

Wait

You can get the skin now??

[peak escarp]

not yet

[swift trout]

Damnit

[peak escarp]

you can see it in the hero gallery if you set the filter to Unowned

[swift trout]

Ughhhhh

I want it now

[peak escarp]

it might be in the store when it updates today

in about 3 hours

[swift trout]

I await it eargerly

[mild orbit]

why are they letting a 19 year old (dva) do all that mech stuff

[tranquil orbit]

Gamer reflexes and all that

Tbh it's one of those things u just need to suspend disbelief a bit

[sullen girder]

They need to give backstory descriptions to all the other reverse skins. Tracer, doom and mercy are the only ones that got some

[peak escarp]

she's 21 now

[tranquil orbit]

Plus it's not the first instance of quite young characters being put into military situations

Mercy is another example back when she was first in ow

[peak escarp]

also militaries all over the world allow 19 year olds to enlist

[mild orbit]

how old was she in the cinematic

[peak escarp]

she was 19 then

which is still an adult

[mild orbit]

right

from the time of that cinematic to current overwatch how much did she age

[peak escarp]

2 years

same as everyone else

[tawny crow]

I noticed something kinda odd, is Venture the only character with a Blizzard world Specific Reaction

[peak escarp]

a few heroes had some in OW1, not sure if they're still around

[dreamy shoal]

I think a lot of ppl forget ow takes place like 60+ years in the future

[spare fox]

no I have specifically heard one for S76 fairly recently. He said something along the lines of being too old or not enough time for amusement parks

[hushed jetty]

venture has a line where they ask if they can ride rhe hellscream adter the mission or something

[golden oak]

Wait till they hear about Illari being 18

[split temple]

Is there a lore reason as to why reapers voice is so hot

[peak escarp]

idk, because he's Latino?

[oak sonnet]

hey guys gn

i'm a mercy main and i just realized that people ship her with genji,why??

[peak escarp]

because they had a close relationship in OW1

including valentines voice lines

[shy dagger]

In cannon, she’s the one who saved him and built him back together. Also during Overwatch, they were very close and she was the only one he would chat with for hours each day. This, combined with their flirtatious voice lines in Overwatch 1

[oak sonnet]

OH THAT'S CUTE

thank you guys

[twin forge]

Genji and Mercy are the original iconic love couple

then the insane devs came and.... welp

[worthy rose]

What if zen was apart of talon?

[mild orbit]

where would venture be on this

[peak escarp]

not connected to anyone yet

the Wayfinder Society and Talon have clashed, so I guess they'd be considered an enemy of Talon?

[mild orbit]

and maybe i’m blind but where is illilar

idk how to spell her name

[peak escarp]

Illiari also isn't on there

since she's not connected to anyone, I didn't see a need to update it

[mild orbit]

blizzard just pulling hero’s out their bums then haha

[hushed jetty]

next season when we get runasapi im hoping for some surprise inti warrior lore

[native gulch]

Reaper should be voiced by Oscar Isaac in a potential Overwatch show

[peak escarp]

nah he should be voiced by Keith Ferguson

[wind wind]

after a point ow1 connections and plans died down it seemed like

so we getting newish chars like lillari

venture

[mild orbit]

wonder if space ranger will be connected to the lunar colony 🤔

[hushed jetty]

i imagine she'll at least be connected to lijang

perhaps horizon and the mars colony are connected

Horizon Martian Colony...

[pearl orbit]

👀

[zenith mango]

Is space gonna be a sup

Also for anyone wondering abt the reverse skins, if you look at the widow one you can see that she has a bionic eye

Meaning that Ana shot her eye out

[peak escarp]

yes, Space Ranger is a support

[wooden sleet]

Good morning,

I wanted to ask aside from maximillus and that other talon agent in baptise short story, do we know any other talon agent?

[peak escarp]

aside from the grunts that Baptiste killed when they went after him, no

[wooden sleet]

oh thats unfortunate

[zenith mango]

!!lorestrongest

[twilit nacelle]

The strongest heroes in the lore are Winston, Orisa, Doomfist and Mauga. Sigma, Symmetra and Lifeweaver are potentially stronger but their power is speculative.

[zenith mango]

Very cool

I want more hanzo : (

Does jq really hate junkrat

Cuz she seems pretty friendly with hog ish

[twilit patrol]

Probably

[hushed jetty]

i imagine Whatever the junkers did to piss her off was mostly junkrat's doing and hog was just kinda there for the ride

and she is aware of that

though i havent read friendly rivalry yet

so idk

[worthy rose]

i really wish we had more OMNIC heroes

aside from the

uh

4 ?

ingame

i think it would be cool if we had like more

from around the world

bcuz the uprising is actually kinda forgotten abt and erm

PvE go bye bye

So i think like

New omnic when

:D

[hushed jetty]

innit??

[worthy rose]

BYR

WHAT

I MEAN OMNIC

OOPS

[zenith mango]

We technically only have 2 omnics

Orisa and echo aren’t omnics

[rare trail]

orisa is iirc

not echo though

[rare trail]

3

well 4

but you dont consider orisa an omnic

bastion zenyatta ramattra orisa

and echo is a robot but not an omnic

[hushed jetty]

orisa isnt technically an omnic either, nor bastion

omnics are the sentient robots built either by anubis or omnica brought to life in the awakening

bastion units were made by sst laboratories (and we dont know why bastion is sentient), and orisa isnt sentient at all

[carmine willow]

ramattra talks to them like they are

[hushed jetty]

well yeah
frankly i think echo and orisa being "nonsentient" is mostly semantics at this point given how advanced they are

perhaps ramattra feels solidarity with them in some way anyway? he has a line wgen he kills orisa where its something like "i truly had no quarrel with you, im sorry"

[spare fox]

Orisa and Echo's programmers/creators were so advanced I bet they could qualify legally as "sentient" but it seems the issue is that specifically omnics are sentient so

There lies the rub I guess

[hushed jetty]

i really have to wonder what the in-universe difference is

orisa follows her programming or whatever but echo. like are we sure

it would be interesting if echo actually WAS sentient since she's sort of a descendent of aurora

she does seem to have a very wide range of emotions and opinions and whatnot

[spare fox]

High-level it's a brand name

Anubis overrode Omnic programming. Aurora ascended and gave those Omnics free will/sentience

so the fact that the "dollar general" brand AI-robots aren't sentient is because they weren't deemed good enough or accessible for Anubis to recruit for its mission

for some reason Anubis only attacked Omnia-brand robotic A.I.

[hushed jetty]

and bastions and titans

[spare fox]

are those not omnic-brand?

[hushed jetty]

sst laboratories

not technically omnica

[spare fox]

huh didn't realize that, I stand corrected

[hushed jetty]

it just makes it weirder bc why is Bastion alive

its been said that bastion units should not be physically capable of sentience (im paraphrasing; this might be wrong), and after the crisis they rounded up and dismantled a whole bunch of bastion units. if these units were sentient, they probably wouldn't hsve been dismantled

so what the Hell is bastion's deal
hell, why did he wake up in the first place. youd think a bird tapping on him wouldnt do anything

[zenith mango]

I forgot bastion existed lol

Also Orisa isn’t an omnic

I would like to correct myself: after looking deeper into this, I found that Orisa IS an omnic

[hushed jetty]

she's not

she was built from an OR-15, which was like a guard robot

those were also not sentient nor built by omnica

[zenith mango]

The OR-15 models were built in an omnium

[hushed jetty]

whar

fr? on god?

[zenith mango]

Ye

[hushed jetty]

still post awakening though

[zenith mango]

Doesn’t matter

[hushed jetty]

yes it does
otherwise you could consider the gwishin "omnics" too

[zenith mango]

They are??

They are called the “gwishin omnics”

[hushed jetty]

theyre more like drones since they. arent sentient

[zenith mango]

There’s two definitions of omnic 1) a robot made by Omnica Corp in an omnium
2) any sentient robot

I quote lore warlord

[smoky tendon]

does overwatch explain how robots in the game's universe are "sentient"? what makes them sentient?

[zenith mango]

Go on yt and search Overwatch genesis

It’s a three part thing released by Overwatch answering ur question

[tranquil orbit]

Yh it's always a bit weird when the definitions overlap

From a writing pov they probably invented the term omnic because they didnt want to explicitly say robots during their world building - it's a distinguishing feature

As they continued writing the part abt sentience was introduced later as they eventually decided they didnt want the audience to just treat omnics as simple robots (this is what rein does and u see how outdated he comes across)

Which is why u see some overlap in definitions

But yh gwishin are regularly described as omnics despite not having sentience because theyre still being produced by an omnium

[ruby ridge]

A omnic named aurora gave herself up and created the iris somehow

[golden oak]

She achieved iris, it’s a state of being

Ig you could compare it to nirvana since that’s the inspiration for it anyways

[peak escarp]

Orisa is considered an omnic because she was made from an Omnica robot