#lore-discussion

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sour raft
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Dw

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Something I love to do in games is play ow lore trivia w people

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Like who are the two Swedish hero’s

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Or who’s first name is Gabriel

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Shit like that

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If u ask the mason howl q thats definitely going to be a harder one

sour raft
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For sure

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Also im not sure if they will

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It'd be cool tho

sour raft
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But w the news of space ranger coming from the Mars colony

sour raft
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Literally don’t see how they fit in

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I think theyre going more in that direction

sour raft
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Uh oh

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Venture is typing

hushed jetty
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venture fought talon for a relic

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And keeping horizon abandoned

hushed jetty
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i imagine they'll make a mars map as a clash version of horizon lunar colony

sour raft
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That’d be wild

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And sick

hushed jetty
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i also expect space ranger to have some connection to lucheng interstellar

sour raft
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That’s the lijang tower space thing?

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Right idk

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hushed jetty
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I think horizon lunar colony is too iconic a location to just be swapped out like that

sour raft
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Fr

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I mean 2 of the characters are literallt from there

hushed jetty
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well they did it for hanamura so,

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idk i dont think itd be that hard

sour raft
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hushed jetty
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yes ive seen hanaoka

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Mars is a whole new body in space

sour raft
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No I mean Hannamura

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It’s like completely unplayable and there’s a bunch of things missing and the whole maps moved etc

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I agree that theyll defo do a mars colony map

hushed jetty
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they removed hanamura for some reason idk why

sour raft
tranquil orbit
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I just dont know if that it'll be the clash version of HLC

sharp trench
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prob bc they built hanaoka on hanamura

hushed jetty
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but anyway space ranger will probably be related to horizon

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maybe she's met winston or something

sour raft
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They used the file from hanamaura to make Hanaoka

hushed jetty
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or sigma even

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Who also owned horizon before the accident

sour raft
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Accident?

hushed jetty
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the gorillas killing everyone

tranquil orbit
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The apes went feral

sour raft
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Ah

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They got a lil silly

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Yh apart from winton

sour raft
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And the hampter escaped

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Hammond will always be devious tho so i cant count him out from that

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I think theres some hinting that space ranger might acc be mei's friend who she says works for lucheng interstellar in a voiceline

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For lijang tower i think

hushed jetty
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its possible

tranquil orbit
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Acc now that i think abt it

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The biggest indication that HLC is coming back is the fact that every new ow2 hero has had a telescope voiceline added

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Idt they would go through all the effort if it wasnt part of tbe plan

sullen girder
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I think the 3rd hero that’s coming out later this year might be a junker, I mean we only saw a tiny icon of them but they seem junker worthy

sullen girder
# sour raft Where

During blizzcon when they showed us an early gameplay preview of venture

sour raft
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Oh that's cool

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You went to blizcon?

sullen girder
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I kinda hope theyre a fresh take on a junker character IF they are one

sour raft
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Ah

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We already have 3 plus hammond who kinda counts so something new ish would be nice

sour raft
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I like how their guns are improvised

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Like nothing complicated

sullen girder
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This guy

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Spiky turtle looking dude

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Ppl saying it was greta tbh i dont see it

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Mainly because in venture and space ranger's doodles u can make them out as clearly humanoid

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That being said a spiky turtle-y looking character definitely fits the junkertown aesthetic

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It could also be a fresh take on one of the older heroes from titan that never got released

sullen girder
tranquil orbit
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If they are it'd better be a fresh take so theres some variety

rare trail
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that would make FOUR JUNKERS IN TANK

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i hope its not a junker just because theyre so disproportional

sullen girder
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Also just looked at the 2nd picture to the Reddit link, I don’t think it’ll be him though, feels like it’s too obvious

tranquil orbit
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Yh thats greta who I was talking abt before

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I cant see it

sullen girder
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U see for the venture and space ranger doodles u can make out their humanoid figure v clearly

rare trail
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what

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no

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Idt greta would be looking like that in their icon

rare trail
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hammond was a junker yeah

rare trail
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who did you think i thought the other tank was???

rare trail
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JUNKRAT

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IS NOT A TANK

sullen girder
rare trail
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i literally said in the message you replied to "in tank" 😭

tranquil orbit
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Just a miscommunication no biggie

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Point is that it's probablt a few too many

rare trail
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yeah

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junkers are 10% of the total cast and 25% of the tank roster as is

tranquil orbit
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Pretty insane when u put it like that

rare trail
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i mean like talon is kinda overrepresented in tank but also like

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talon matters and is super important to the story

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and junkers arent really

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The only talon support we rly have is moira

rare trail
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supp is like half ow people lol

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Maybe illari though if that comes true

rare trail
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50% are in overwatch lol

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(Pls be true)

rare trail
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ana bap lucio mercy brig

sullen girder
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Now that I think about it, we need more people from viskar (or people who use to work there at least) the only ones here are sym and lw

rare trail
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im actually not sure if lucio ended up joining

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idk

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vishkar isnt really important to stuff thats happening

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Lucio is in it for null sector like sojourn but is almost certainly going to stay until Vishkar related stuff happens

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He's too keen to give it up

rare trail
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did orisa like actually join overwatch

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rare trail
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i havent read the new comic w/her

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Theyre lacking in those

rare trail
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whats the like

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talon vishkar guy

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sanjay

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he could be cool

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tank is
33% overwatch
25% junkers
25% talon
9% numbani
9% null sector

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Tbh i think sanjays a bit too bland to use in game as a character design 😭

rare trail
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i mean they could change up his char design

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Like he's cool in principle but doesnt stand out enough visually

rare trail
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like they gave ramattra nemesis and stuff

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Some red or purple hard light would be nice

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A bit like how lw uses pink/yellow

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And sym uses blue

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rare trail
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i wonder what like the good/evil ratio of each role is

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Idk ig i always saw sanjay as more of a maximillian type character

sullen girder
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Unrelated but do you think that mauga might have a thing for doctors?

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Then YES

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Keep that man away from anyone w medical expertise

rare trail
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flirting with someone who is a doctor doesnt mean you have a thing for doctors though

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Bap included

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rare trail
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like mauga might flirt with mercy and she just happens to be a doctor

tranquil orbit
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It's mostly joking tbh 😭

rare trail
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i dont remember if he flirts with bap

tranquil orbit
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But between baptiste and mercy there might be a pattern

tranquil orbit
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It's more homosocial kinda stuff than explicitly flirting

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But ppl definitely think mauga and baptiste might have had some history together

sullen girder
rare trail
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yeah the writer kinda like soft confirmed it

tranquil orbit
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Yh keep this man away from the supports

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Just like in game

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Drains all the healing resources

rare trail
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tank good evil ratio is
33% evil !!
42% good :D
25% junkers theyre kinda like chaotic but not really evil

tranquil orbit
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I think generally theres a lot more traditionally 'good' characters in the cast

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Maybe it's because OW character bias

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I mean it kinda has to it's the name of the game

rare trail
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well like on support its a LOT less balanced

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But some more range in support i agree

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V much needed

rare trail
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only like one "evil character" and 3 ARGUABLY like neutral

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lifeweaver illari zen btw

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Originally ppl thought baptiste was gonna be the one to shake things up but he's active OW

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Zen and lw i wouldnt say are neutral

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Faction wise yh

rare trail
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60% good on support 😭 and thats being super genrous with 30% neutral

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But tbh i rate their morals more than certain ow members

rare trail
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80% good counting lw as neutral though is like crazy

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Illari on the other hand might be up to no good 👀

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I'll be looking for any possible hints on runasapi

rare trail
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oh wait i misread your message

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i wodner what dps will be

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Considering theyre probably never gonna release more material for her 😭

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Theres a few like ashe, sombra, reaper off the top of my head

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Ashe is kinda a weird one

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Because idt anyone would acc wanna be friends w ashe irl but she is factionally neutral ish

rare trail
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dps
56% good
17% evil
28% idk neutral

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neutral was junkrat sym hanzo ashe soldier btw

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actually idk if its fair to put soldier there but not ana

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wait im dumb sorry

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rare trail
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vishkar is like

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important to 3 chars lore

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Ana is definitely more morallt upstanding than mr vigilante 'i think we did the right thing in hanamura' 76 over here

rare trail
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yeaaa

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uhh ill do global good/evil rating

sullen girder
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Here they are, viskar lucio. (Forgot the names of the artists though)

rare trail
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damn i dont have reg yet so i cant post the like tierliust of good/evil

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ill just do the %

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Tbh id like it if we acc get to see a rotating villain cast rather than dealing w the factions 1 at a time

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It's like xmen ppl keep coming back

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Like sometimes it'll be doomfist sometimes vishkar will be the issue etc

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Tbh im probably thinking too big they have 0 plans for that 😭

rare trail
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57% good
18% evil
25% eh

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kind of insane how close dps is lol

rare trail
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i counted sigma as part of talon so evil but liek hes not really

tranquil orbit
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Been in the game for so long so maybe theres a better chance of balance

rare trail
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yea also dps is like the biggest role so its affecting the like ratio a lot

acoustic ice
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where can i find concepts of extended mirrorwatch stuff

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i.e. vishkar rat, vishkar hog, junker winston, overwatch ashe

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also i've been wondering
do the cassidy and baptiste skins in the battle pass have any custom voice lines?

golden oak
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Twinning

merry token
peak escarp
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I appreciate the level of research she put into his name

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and the rest of the book

half pelican
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making overwatch ocs is so so fun ramhead

hallow elk
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I have an Overwatch OC, their name is junkgrunt. They are junkerqueens secret lover but on the surface looks like just a grunt. Junkgrunt is def the dom in the relationship

short nova
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Love that idea! What are some abilities

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Seems a lot like junkrat tho

hallow elk
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Ok, can we not compare ocs to other characters please. Respect my ideas or just leave the chat

peak escarp
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this isn't the place to discuss OCs

short nova
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Yes it is

peak escarp
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no it isn't

short nova
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It’s lore accurate

peak escarp
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this is a place for discussing lore

short nova
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Head canons are lore

peak escarp
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they are not

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they are fanfiction

short nova
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Ummm yes

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Same thing

peak escarp
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which does not belong here

short nova
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They all are in this chat

peak escarp
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read the description of the channel

short nova
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I have an oc named road junk he’s the offspring of roadhog and junker queen. He’s a flying character who is a tank

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Thoughts ?

peak escarp
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Serious discussion of the Overwatch universe's lore. Fan fiction is not canon and should not be discussed here. Shitposting will result in loss of access.

short nova
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It’s not that serious

hallow elk
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Good take! I think a flying more mobile take is something the game needs!

peak escarp
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this is a serious discussion channel

short nova
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Yes we are having serious discussion too

peak escarp
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if you want to discuss ocs or headcanons, go to #overwatch

short nova
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I think I’ll stay here

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You aren’t the warden bro just let us discuss head canons if we want

peak escarp
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I am a mod

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I am enforcing the rules of the channel

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if you have a problem with that, take it up with modmail

short nova
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Your taking this a little too seriously

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We’re still talking overwatch

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It’s not like we are trolling

peak escarp
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Fan fiction is not canon and should not be discussed here.

short nova
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It doesn’t matter

peak escarp
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it does

short nova
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It’s not like this channel is popping with lore discussion rn

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Why does it matter?

peak escarp
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that is irrelevant

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the whole point of having separate channels is to have each disucssion in the right place

short nova
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It’s not the end of the world if I discuss headcanons in this Chanel

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Channel

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You gotta chill

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I bet ik more lore than you anyways

peak escarp
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lol no

wooden sleet
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What did I walk into?

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Um anyway. I wanted to ask is mercyndoing any research or thesis atm?

peak escarp
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right now she's helping Winston and Overwatch fight Null Sector

wooden sleet
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Oh guess she has no time to for that.
What about moira?
The recent voicelines she got just had me wondering what do they do when they aren't in the field

peak escarp
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Moira's got her own projects

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she seems to be experimenting on herself, which is making the damage to her arm spread further up

wooden sleet
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They can't expend talon grunts for her to use?

peak escarp
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oh probably

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but she gets immediate results when she experiments on herself

wooden sleet
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Lol, maybe she got tired of waiting for the next batch and started experimenting on herself

vital steppe
# wooden sleet Lol, maybe she got tired of waiting for the next batch and started experimenting...

I don’t remember the exact reason, but if we’re going off general assumptions. Most talon stuff we see during any games are technically robotic because of the whole “overwatch is a kids game = no actual on screen death”, but I do agree that realistically without overwatch’s age rating, Moira likely would get a pretty steady stream of regular human people to test her hypothesis on.

But I also think Moira is just flat out unhinged. Like Warlord said above, she gets the best and most intriguing results when using herself as a test subject. I think it’s a mix of the control she has, and the fact one of her voice lines claim “I work better with a deadline” when someone comments on her decaying body.

spare fox
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What do you think her end goal is though?

tight haven
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is it true that cassidy and hanzo is a thing

spare fox
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Does she want to become a better version of Reaper?

spare fox
wooden sleet
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As long as it isn't on screen I'm sure there are things they can get away with

wooden sleet
peak escarp
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she's implied to have done experiments on many Talon agents, including Widowmaker

peak escarp
vital steppe
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there's blood in the game when you shoot them

vital steppe
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i dont think shes messed with doom

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or sombra

vital steppe
vital steppe
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Sombra seems pretty outwardly hostile towards Moira if anything, so yeah im willing to bet on that.

rare trail
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has she done anything to mauga

peak escarp
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possibly

rare trail
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shes not mentioned in his bio

vital steppe
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well he does have a lot of physical alterations right?

rare trail
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does she have voicelines or anything

vital steppe
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maybe it was Baptiste?? They have history

spare fox
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There's the line she has with mauga about his supplements which I wonder if there's an implication that Moira supplies those supplements

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And if that's the case, then what are they?

vital steppe
peak escarp
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the Talon Heavy unit is described as having genetic modifications from Talon, and since Mauga is a Talon Heavy I assumed that applied to him too

vital steppe
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calling him a “heavy” is so crazy. blizzard ain’t even tryna hide it no more

peak escarp
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not much to hide

vital steppe
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naw I meant the tf2 references

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lmfao

peak escarp
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eh, that's not really a reference

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that's like saying "sniper" is a TF2 reference

vital steppe
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some of them have a lot of similar abilities, designs, and concepts yah

golden oak
empty vine
peak escarp
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?

empty vine
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Last time I checked, TF2 isn’t actually a part of the overwatch lore…

short nova
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Exactly you were on my ass about head canons while your talking abt a different game that’s not lore

peak escarp
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we were discussing how "Talon Heavy" sounded similar to the Heavy in TF2

short nova
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That’s not lore

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Tf2 isn’t overwatch

peak escarp
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it's not

vestal palm
short nova
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Go to a different channel

peak escarp
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but it was part of a lore discussion

short nova
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That’s more of an overwatch chat

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No it’s not

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The status and likeness of tf2 to overwatch has nothing to do with lore

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lol

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Those universes are seperate

peak escarp
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stop

vestal palm
short nova
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Take it to a different channel if your gonna talk abt that lore warlord

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Serious discussion of the Overwatch universe's lore. Fan fiction is not canon and should not be discussed here. Shitposting will result in loss of access.

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Overwatch universes lore

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Tf2 doesn’t exist in the overwatch universe

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Talk it to another channel 👍

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Take

vestal palm
short nova
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He said overwatch universes lore

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Tf2 isn’t in the universe 😅

vestal palm
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they were talking about maugas lore smh

peak escarp
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we were talking about Mauga and someone brought up TF2

short nova
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Tf2 shouldn’t be in the convo at all

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Then ban them

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Like you threatened to do to me

peak escarp
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you are not a mod

short nova
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You continued the convo

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Which isn’t lore👍

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Take it to another channel

peak escarp
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I did not threaten to ban you

short nova
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Yes you did

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Your a hypocrite

peak escarp
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where?

short nova
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You don’t even keep it just about lore

vestal palm
short nova
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Got me there

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Cringe

short nova
vestal palm
peak escarp
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you are allowed to discuss other topics when they are brought up in relation to the lore

short nova
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I’m helping enforce the rules

tall geyser
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why? you aren't a moderator

peak escarp
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you are not a mod

vestal palm
short nova
peak escarp
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you don't need to enforce rules

short nova
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You aren’t doing your job

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So

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Maybe do a better job

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Don’t be a hypocrite

peak escarp
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did you even read the entire conversation?

tall geyser
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take an hour to cool off buddy

short nova
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Yep

empty vine
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I have a new theory… What if hanzo and genii aren’t brothers but are actually father and daughter but genji switched to a man when he was 7… and hanzos bow was crafted by reinhardts ancient grandfather who served in the chinese military…

peak escarp
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wtf

hallow elk
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Hmmm interesting

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I see how some of that could work because in the cinematic there is more of a Cauthen daughter relationship I feel

peak escarp
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thanks arble

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!!shitposting

twilit nacelleBOT
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Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

empty vine
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yeah i definitely could see that becoming a new big theory in the overwatch lore…

peak escarp
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Genji and Hanzo are brothers

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Hanzo's bow was made by Kiriko's father

hallow elk
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I thought kiriko was ganji’s daughter

peak escarp
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no

hallow elk
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So who is genji’s daughter?

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Mercy?

chrome sapphire
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what

peak escarp
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Genji doesn't have any children

chrome sapphire
hushed jetty
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the only characters with children are ana and torb

rare trail
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mercy is older than genji

chrome sapphire
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but like genjis and hanzos age dont make sense with how old kiriko is

hushed jetty
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it is not stated they "grew up together"

peak escarp
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they didn't grow up together

hushed jetty
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they trained together when Kiriko was a kid

rare trail
hallow elk
chrome sapphire
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they got trained by their mother

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worded it wrong

hushed jetty
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oh and reaper i guess

chrome sapphire
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but you could kinda say they spent their time together

rare trail
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or ig the kid in reflections could be the new husbands

peak escarp
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Kiriko is the daughter of Genji and Hanzo's master

hushed jetty
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actually is the kid in the reflections comic reaper's kid or just martina's

peak escarp
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it's Reaper's son

hushed jetty
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ah
so then 3 heroes with children

peak escarp
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yes

hallow elk
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Wait what was the cinematic about genji and Ana’s relationship about?

rare trail
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?

hushed jetty
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what

rare trail
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what cinematic?

hallow elk
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Idk I saw it on some forum

hushed jetty
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i dont think weve seen genji and ana interact even once in lore

hallow elk
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Like young love or something

hushed jetty
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no

empty vine
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yeah ana and genji were caught in that one cinematic. that’s why i believe that hanzo may be the father to genji.

hallow elk
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Oh so it was a foney?

peak escarp
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!!shitposting @empty vine

twilit nacelleBOT
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@empty vine Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

hushed jetty
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presumably it was fanmade or someone just lying

peak escarp
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Ana has not appeared in any cinematics

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Genji's father was Sojiro Shimada - he was assassinated by the Hashimoto

hushed jetty
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i would say "she should" but she's been in a comic and like. 2 short stories now

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i think we're good on ana content

empty vine
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ana and genji literally were seen making love in a cinematic on reddit

spark cliff
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Lore masters help me understand: Is Lucio a Overwatch member since OW1 or he just joined in the story mode of 2?

empty vine
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i saw it on a reddit post

hushed jetty
dry snow
spark cliff
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Then his OW 1 skin is just how he looked like, right? Or is it OW 2 happens after the OW 1 cinematic where Winston is calling everyone

hallow elk
dry snow
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On r/rule34overwatch

hallow elk
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Or so I have been told

hushed jetty
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his ow1 skin is how he looked at recall

empty vine
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not true.

spark cliff
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I didn’t know that

hushed jetty
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ye thats why everyone looks different

spark cliff
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I thought it was right after the recall cinematic because Lucio just joined in the story. I also thought Lucio was a member before already

dry snow
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@hushed jetty you have made the trivial mistake of failing to account for the abundance of lore on the r/rule34overwatch subreddit

hallow elk
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Oh is there a lot of lore on there, maybe I’ll go check it out. I have been wanting to read up on more

chrome sapphire
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...

dry snow
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Not much reading more of a visual representation

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Only issue is I have to clean my screen off after watching the lore

hallow elk
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Oh cool, my computer wouldn’t let me go on it because it’s 18+, is it like manga panels?

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Wait can you send some, I want to see

hushed jetty
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ok anyways

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i think itd be cool to het more slice of life stuff

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like what the characters are doing on the average day yfm

spark cliff
dry snow
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Hello? Did you see my chat

hushed jetty
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i also liked the chat logs

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i like seeing where characters live. mauga's house was a nice surprise

spark cliff
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I have never seen his house 😭

spare fox
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it's his club

hushed jetty
#

its on samoa beach

#

oh you mean lucio

spare fox
#

oh nevermind I misread

spark cliff
hushed jetty
#

it has his shirt 😭 ?

spark cliff
#

OMG BRO LIVES IN A MANSION WHAT

#

ALL OF THAT IS HIS HOUSE?

hushed jetty
#

NO

#

his house is THERE

#

its near one of the spawns

spark cliff
#

OH

#

that makes more sense

#

I was thinking the entire island was his house

silk lark
peak escarp
#

in lore discussion?

ruby ridge
#

FIGHTTTTTT

#

ANYWAY

#

Lifeweaver favourite animal soon

spark cliff
#

Lifeweaver favorite animal is rose

peak escarp
#

I think Reaper and Lifeweaver are the only two that don't have a response

sullen girder
#

Unrelated but I’ll be honest, it’ll feel weird when I get the new mythic. I’m always use to using the pink skin (don’t judge) since it’s the only one with different sound effects

peak escarp
#

oh yeah

hushed jetty
#

im predicting a really fancy bird for lifeweaver. peacock maybe, or a bird of paradise

#

reaper idek

true merlin
#

any canadians here? dmme and ill give you something for a favor

golden oak
acoustic ice
#

would mirrorverse/vishkar roadhog still hide his face?

tranquil orbit
#

probably not theres no reason to wear it

#

the mask*

golden oak
crude pond
#

Random asl but is it just me noticing the similarity of mercy’s purple color scheme for her mythic kindave similar to moira’s ow2 default? It feels like it was intentional imo considering they’re basically opposites of each other-

#

Idk abt the blue set tho

worthy rose
worthy rose
crude pond
#

WAIT RLLY?

#

That would actually be so cool if thats the case cus idk

#

I didnt even know the other color options actually had meaning already, I honestly thought they were just there for the sake of it and I was just theorizing lol

hushed jetty
#

red is talon color palette, blue is vishkar colors, purple is either ns or moira

peak escarp
#

blue/white are also Overwatch colours

#

Vishkar uses a lighter blue

crude pond
#

I think vishkar suits it more

#

Double mirrorverse would go crazy LMFAO

tranquil orbit
#

MAUGA COMING FOR ANA TOO NOW

#

keep this man away from the support characters 😭

short nova
#

im back 👿

peak escarp
#

behave this time or you won't be

short nova
#

you behave and keep it lore accurate

#

thats all i gotta say

peak escarp
wooden sleet
#

Oh dear

true merlin
#

any canadians here? dmme and i’ll give you something for a favour

past copper
#

So, I’ve been thinking. We saw a cyberpunk theme in the first season

#

Wonder if we could see a steampunk theme at some point

#

Got a number of heroes with skins for it

spare fox
#

I'm sure we're going to see steampunk eventually

peak escarp
#

I hope so, I like the steampunk aesthetic

#

and solarpunk, but that's less likely (and less well known)

hushed jetty
tranquil orbit
#

also i think solar punk is definitely on the cards the art team is defo aware of it because theyve implemented some elements in their concept art for maps like numbani, suravasa

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ig the only thing to think abt is how u would implement it for hero skins but idt it should be too hard

#

i mean hanzo has that cat emote anything goes 😭

past copper
#

I already can see some steampunk skins. Torbjörn and Bastion are already there

#

But others I see are Reinhardt, Orisa, Roadhog, Junkrat, Echo, Venture, Lucio, Mercy, Moira

astral lotus
sullen girder
#

Sooo, how excited are you guys? Mirrorwatch event is coming in tomorrow and we’ll finally see some lore related voicelines

hushed jetty
#

very TheGrin

uneven dove
#

Yes

sullen girder
#

I feel like the mirrorwatch event is gonna be 3v3 cause they only made 3 reverse overwatch skins

golden oak
hushed jetty
#

but itd be weird for overwatch side to get only 3 options while talonside has like 6

wooden sleet
#

Maybe they will use scientist moira for the overwatch side

wide fossil
#

Is sigma planetary level?

#

Like that mf controls gravity

#

He can takedown everyone

hushed jetty
#

the only thing we've seen him do is levitate those little orb things

wide fossil
#

I mean in game

#

He can lift 5 tanks

tight haven
#

imagine if the whole mecha squad was added to overwatch

vital steppe
#

isn’t that what they’re literally planning to do

peak escarp
#

no

#

there is no plan to add the rest of MEKA squad as playable heroes

tight haven
#

wait a minute

#

english people provoked null sector

peak escarp
#

what

wooden sleet
#

I think they may be referring to the first archive event where null sector attacked that omnic living place in london

past copper
#

Null Sector wasn’t “provoked”

#

Ramattra hates humanity for the way they treat his fellow omnics and created Null Sector to take a stand for all omnics

#

He sent them to attack King’s Row solely because he watched how his fellow omnics were forced into manual labor by armed guards, forced to live in cramped basements, and others discarded like trash

#

It wasn’t that anyone provoked him. It’s just that Ramattra wanted to attack and take control the cruelest city towards omnics in order to send a message to both humanity and omnics alike

hushed jetty
#

so when mirrorwatch drops in a few hours yall are gonna be sharing all the interactions and lore you find right. right. right. right

acoustic ice
#

they really gave custom voice lines to camo/stealth echo

dawn topaz
#

I wonder what all the side characters are like in mirrorwatch.

Is Gerard part of Talon?
Is Emily dead?
Is Izzy a human blatantly ignorant of omicism?

acoustic ice
#

also can someone confirm whether or not the monk skins for ramattra have custom voice lines?

#

because if camo/stealth echo can get them, i assume monk ramattra would have them too

dawn topaz
#

Monk Ramattra voicelines: 🪦

hushed jetty
#

monk ramattra isnt mirrorwatch, thats in the past when he was part of shambali

dawn topaz
#

I mean...he could be the same in mirrorwatch, he never went past his monk self

#

similiar to how gwishin bastion and stealth echo weren't designed with mirrorwatch in mind

acoustic ice
#

yeah thats what i was getting here

hushed jetty
#

in mirrorwatch he's Dead

#

presumably swapped with mondatta

#

i imagine he'd look different

dawn topaz
half pelican
acoustic ice
#

but can we pretend mirrorwatch ramattra isn't dead for a sec

dawn topaz
#

which would then bring the question as to how he died

acoustic ice
#

i just want custom voice lines

swift trout
half pelican
hushed jetty
#

the entire thing with widow's personality is that she's been brain-hijacked by talon and had her emotions dimmed After she Killed Gerard

#

if she's in overwatch presumably that didnt happen

dawn topaz
#

Yeah

swift trout
#

Maybe Talon killed him and that’s why she signed up

dawn topaz
#

but her loneliness is a part of her character

half pelican
#

her loneliness is not part of her main character it is a given aspect due to her situation within talon and the events she's faced

dawn topaz
half pelican
#

gerard is most likely alive

hushed jetty
#

i need at least one universe where he's alive please god 😭

swift trout
#

No, we require the ✨Trauma✨

dawn topaz
#

A little bit of drama and spice

dawn topaz
half pelican
#

HES ALIVE IN THIS VERSE 😭 tracer and widow as a ship is kinda dookie anyway in my op

#

plus their shippers arent that srs

hushed jetty
#

oh they are definitely serious

half pelican
#

RLLY ??

#

i rarely talk to them so idk ig LMAO

hushed jetty
#

widowtracer has been a ship since alive came out my brotha do you think they arent serious

dawn topaz
#

they are not as bad as mercy genji and pharmacy shippers fighting over who the better partner for mercy is

half pelican
#

no no i know that

swift trout
#

Ok so here’s an idea
Tracer was a member of Overwatch, but then something happened which resulted in Emily getting killed, and Tracer blamed her death on Overwatch

half pelican
#

i figured when i started getting in ow that theyd be a popular ship

acoustic ice
#

btw mirrorwatch echo still says "You're one of Talon's best? Interesting."

half pelican
dawn topaz
#

I'd argue widowtracer is a bit...more calm nowadays since tracer has a relationship already

#

(compared to other ships)

acoustic ice
swift trout
#

Yeah a lot of the characters still have their original voicelines

acoustic ice
#

but then again they did nothing for mirrorwatch tracer

swift trout
#

Maybe they couldn’t get the VAs in time?

acoustic ice
#

mirrorwatch echo HAS custom voice lines since this update

#

leaving out the talon voice line is just offputting

hushed jetty
#

is mirrorwatch echo specifically in talon

dawn topaz
#

I don't think so

#

she just...exists

#

It's a shame she and bob didn't swap

swift trout
#

I think she might be based on her design?

dawn topaz
#

with echo being an outlaw

swift trout
#

Echo in a cowboy hat

dawn topaz
#

I love that winpose so much

acoustic ice
#

who do you think arrests mirrorwatch ashe and offers her a place in overwatch

hushed jetty
#

could be anyone really

acoustic ice
#

imma think mirrorwatch tracer if she's a parallel to normalverse reaper

swift trout
#

Where is Reaper in all this anyway

acoustic ice
#

coping over his loss of ability to spam voice lines

dawn topaz
#

he and soldier both just died during that one event

hushed jetty
dawn topaz
#

that's it

hushed jetty
#

he's Somewhere

dawn topaz
#

they just didn't come back to life

acoustic ice
#

hmm i think mirrorwatch reaper and moira would be normalverse's s76 and ana

#

but then that means moira would have a kid

hushed jetty
#

okay but Did the swiss hq explode actually because that was one of the last things that happened before overwatch shut down

#

so if overwatch is still active it might not have happened (yet)

dawn topaz
#

mirror moira probably looks the exact same seeing as her whole gimmick ingame is the balance of healing and damage 🤔

swift trout
hushed jetty
#

right

acoustic ice
dawn topaz
#

yeah

swift trout
dawn topaz
#

actually she would probably look like blackwatch moira but with the overwatch palette

acoustic ice
#

would mirrorwatch maximillien be the one who gets stuck in a crate and gets saved

acoustic ice
dawn topaz
hushed jetty
#

ive seen people saying max might be swapped with iggy

acoustic ice
#

i think it'd be funnier if maximillien swapped with echo

swift trout
#

Oh my gods yes

acoustic ice
#

if not then maybe glitchbot could become echo

dawn topaz
#

Where is Junker Winton and Scientist Ham

hushed jetty
#

not glitchbot 😭

acoustic ice
#

do you think junker winton would hide his identity from everyone except junker sym

#

and would overwatch hammond still need a translator

swift trout
#

What if Mirrorwatch Winston is the human Winston

dawn topaz
#

I forgot

#

what happened to him again?

acoustic ice
#

and who would be the leader in mirrorwatch vishkar

#

what would mirrorwatch lifeweaver have a profession in

hushed jetty
swift trout
acoustic ice
#

how would dva, venture and illari even fit in mirrorwatch

hushed jetty
#

dva prob talon

dawn topaz
swift trout
#

Since they’re neither Overwatch nor Talon

acoustic ice
#

maybe mirrorwatch illari just dies with every other inti warrior still alive

swift trout
#

Ouch

dawn topaz
#

mirrorwatch kiriko be like: I am way older than genji and hanzo

acoustic ice
#

speaking of mirrorwatch kiriko and hanzo

sullen girder
acoustic ice
#

do they have custom voice lines

swift trout
hushed jetty
#

to be fair i dont think swaps have to be directly overwatch -> talon and vice versa, because genji is a junker for some ungodly reason

acoustic ice
#

would mirrorwatch sigma still be clinically insane

swift trout
#

He’s the one sane character

dawn topaz
#

I'd find it funny if mirrorwatch sigma was just the same

hushed jetty
#

he's probably a scientist in overwatch

#

maybe a little eccentric

dawn topaz
#

sigma is the same across every universe

acoustic ice
swift trout
dawn topaz
#

his insanity is just all sigmas sharing a consciousness across time and space

hushed jetty
#

this implies junkrat and roadhog were still junkers though

swift trout
hushed jetty
#

which is probably untrue

acoustic ice
#

wait

dawn topaz
#

A bunch of heroes could also just be upstanding citizens and not heroes

acoustic ice
#

shimada hanzo exists

#

anothjer plot hole ugh

swift trout
#

No he’s Hashimoto

acoustic ice
#

oh i keep mixing it up

dawn topaz
#

genji shimada finds out he's adopted

acoustic ice
#

if junker genji isn't the one who dies then who does he kill

#

maybe some fourth unspecified shimada

hushed jetty
#

no one i suppose

swift trout
#

Kiriko

dawn topaz
#

I like to think mei died in the frozen base 🥰

hushed jetty
#

kiriko is also a hashimoto

swift trout
acoustic ice
#

ok how about this

hushed jetty
dawn topaz
#

does that mean that mirrorwatch kiriko and hanzo are relatives?

acoustic ice
#

kiriko's mom is killed by junker genji and is resurrected by mirrorwatch moira

swift trout
hushed jetty
#

not necessarily? i imagine there's more people than Just the family in the clan

#

idk how japanese gangs work though

acoustic ice
#

and kiriko's mom is the overwatch cybernetic ninja

#

genji becomes a junker to get away from the hashimoto clan since he's all aww man why did i kill kiriko's mom

dawn topaz
#

"Aww man I'm such a bad person"

"Time to consume radiated dirt on a daily basis"

acoustic ice
#

just a more twisted version of wielding a bow and becoming a loner

#

do you think mirrorwatch roadhog still wears a mask

hushed jetty
#

if he isnt in australia, prob not

acoustic ice
#

well im assuming he's a vishkar employee alongside mirrowatch junkrat and mirrorwatch junker queen

sullen girder
#

I want to know what mirror kirikos kitsune looks like

#

I just realized, would junker sym be queen of junker town?

peak escarp
#

no

sullen girder
peak escarp
#

there's nothing indicating she would be the Queen of Junkertown

hushed jetty
#

doesnt necessarily have to be a member of the csst though

peak escarp
#

she's just a junker

hushed jetty
#

the ruler of junkertown might just be some Guy

peak escarp
#

could still be Howl

sullen girder
hushed jetty
#

genji is just a ninja who is there for. some reaskn

#

junker winston would probably be one of the fighters

sullen girder
hushed jetty
#

she would definitely also be one of the fighters

#

she literally has a mech

#

gerard's alive

#

get owned LMFAO

dawn topaz
#

😔

#

midrowwatch

#

midowmaker

#

Is Sam...Pharah's father?

hushed jetty
#

yes

dawn topaz
#

His name is English 😭

peak escarp
#

Sam English, a First Nations diplomat from the Pacific coast of Canada

ruby ridge
hushed jetty
#

why would she be

dawn topaz
#

Widowmaker was always in love with Gerard

#

if anything she's bisexual if blizzard had the balls to develop her and tracer's relationship

ruby ridge
#

Sorry I hate straight ppl I want widowmaker lesbian

#

Anyway

#

This season is sooo good

#

I wish we gets. Short stories about it

dawn topaz
ruby ridge
#

Society is good then

thin pecan
#

@umbral prawn

hushed jetty
#

i am not a personal fan of widowtracer, mostly bc i dont much like enemies to lovers

tranquil orbit
#

gotta be one of the worst ships of all time fr

dawn topaz
#

I'd argue pharmacy is worse clueless

#

Oh wow someone's at the door I wonder who

hushed jetty
#

theres nothing Wrong with pharmercy i just dont like pharah and dont give a shit abt mercy 😭

peak escarp
dawn topaz
#

swag that's the point, they learn to not do that anymore

peak escarp
#

that doesn't happen

tranquil orbit
hushed jetty
#

idk how tracer would Learn to get over the fact widow tried to kill her and Succeeded in killing an idol shd had met and admired

dawn topaz
#

Idk Widowmaker finds out that murder is bad and that she can have emotions and shit and then reinhardt dies of old age

#

and overwatch 3 is announced

tranquil orbit
#

murder is bad

dawn topaz
#

and then anything interesting happens with the heroes because as long as the game is around they won't ever do anything major like killing them off or making them grow

hushed jetty
#

i would like a widow redemption arc in theory but 1) idk if thats Possible and 2) even if she did idk if tracer would forgive her enough to. date her

peak escarp
#

several heroes have already had character growth

hushed jetty
#

especially since she already has a gf

peak escarp
#

most notably, Zarya and Torbjorn

tranquil orbit
#

idt widow gets forgiven by tracer theres certain stuff u cant rly come back from

#

sleeper agent shenanigans aside

dawn topaz
#

Though tbh widowtracer is to me nothing more than "wot that would be very silly"

hushed jetty
#

true although that one specifically i dont think would ever be canon

#

in fanart sure go nuts but canonically? ehh....

dawn topaz
#

Yeah...

#

I wonder if reaper has a better relationship to his family in mirrorwatch

tranquil orbit
#

ppl saying because him and jack didnt get skins this is the only time theyre acc happy 😭

#

big kick in the teeth but lowkey it makes sense

rare trail
#

normal guy jack and gabriel would be awesome skins

hushed jetty
#

more casual skins ‼️

#

i need them
let me see what the lads look like on the average Saturday

dawn topaz
#

what we need is more omnic skins 🥰

tranquil orbit
#

tbh a streetwear theme wouldnt be too bad

#

they kinda already leaned into it abit w kiriko and genji

#

i could see them doing some more

dawn topaz
#

hanzo also has one

#

tracer has a few I think

tranquil orbit
#

tracers graffiti skin is pretty close to one yh

sullen girder
#

To anyone who bought it, does the new hanzo skin have any voice ones?

golden oak
sullen girder
dreamy shoal
#

How does genji keep himself clean? I doubt he can hop in a shower

golden oak
#

Well, might have some then but I wouldn’t count on it

dreamy shoal
#

Why does roadhog wear a mask? Is he extremely insecure?

rare trail
#

i dont think its ever been confirmed but i have a few guesses

#

in like sandy areas like what a lot of australia seems to be in ow universe a mask would be helpful to like not get sand in your eyes

#

his hogdrogen could like slot into his mask somehow

past copper
#

Not to get into this conversation, but in retrospect, it’s not like Genji has a lot to clean

#

Wasn’t like 80% or so of his body replaced with tech?

peak escarp
#

he'd still have to clean the metal parts

past copper
#

So by that he only really has to clean like 20% of himself at most

#

True. Although, I can’t help seeing him having to clean his tech as either cleaning a car or something

peak escarp
#

like a car, or a computer, or most other machines

#

they still need to be cleaned and maintained

peak escarp
#

you're mostly right

#

but it wasn't his gang, it was the Australian Liberation Front

#

a group of farmers who waged guerilla warfare against the omnics and sabotaged the omnium to make the core detonate

dreamy shoal
#

I wish they would show us roadhog without his mask, it's been years since he got put in the game and we still don't know what he looks like

peak escarp
#

yeah

half pelican
peak escarp
#

same

wicked locust
#

they should execute kiriko and make it cannon

peak escarp
#

!!shitposting

twilit nacelleBOT
#

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

dawn topaz
hushed jetty
#

all of the character ages are fine, its Just Kiriko

#

i think max was supposed to appear in a cutscene in the next set of missions

peak escarp
#

what do you mean?

hushed jetty
#

whats wrong with her age

peak escarp
#

she's 18, what's wrong with that?

#

she trained as a child/teen

hushed jetty
#

i think the entire point is that she was a child prodigy

#

i mean in her origin story we see her training As A Child

peak escarp
hushed jetty
#

with other children

peak escarp
#

a lot of sports have kids start training at a young age, it probably isn't any more taxing than that

#

in gymnastics children even compete at the highest level

#

Olympic gymnasts are often 14-16

hushed jetty
#

thats not adult mercy

#

theyre like 12 and 17 there

#

it just Looks like that

#

i agree but we ball

peak escarp
#

Reinhardt is also huge in that art

hushed jetty
#

its an old ass piece of art anyway

peak escarp
hushed jetty
#

and we never got emre

#

maybe one day

peak escarp
#

not yet anyway

hushed jetty
#

he's mentioned in declassified so there is hope

half pelican
half pelican
peak escarp
#

Emre Sarioglu

#

the first agent recruited to Overwatch after the crisis

#

yes

half pelican
#

im so intruiged w/mythic mercy cuz it makes me wonder how she controls talon as its leader and how she moves forward with things like infiltration, raiding, etc

peak escarp
#

he was recruited at 17

#

he started the Deadlock Gang with Ashe when he was 15

#

which isn't that unusual - many high profile real-world gangs were started by teenagers

#

Ashe was a few months short of her 18th birthday

golden oak
#

And where’s Jack

half pelican
#

I wonder if maybe instead of being overwatch’s strike commander he’s something else for talon thats either similar in position and just not done by blizzard or elsewhat

#

WHERES GABRIEL 💔💔

golden oak
#

I wonder if the new abilities we got in the event were those scrapped pve talents

peak escarp
#

probably

acoustic ice
#

did widow and gerard ever have a kid in the original timeline?

#

because if they don't then that means mirrorwatch pharah is straight up not even born and is replaced by someone completely different who's the child of mirrorwatch widow and gerard

golden oak
#

There’s a voice line when rein kills Ana, saying he broke from her leash which left me shook tbh

hushed jetty
#

presumably pharah is still ana's daughter

#

and then ana killed sam later or something

acoustic ice
#

i'm going with my headcanon that pharah doesn't even exist in the mirrorverse

peak escarp
#

we don't even know if Sam is dead

#

only that Ana betrayed him

hushed jetty
#

if she's somewhat swapped with widow i imagine he's dead as hell

rare trail
#

shouldnt like emily be dead?

dawn topaz
#

tracer seems to take moreso the role of reaper

peak escarp
#

Tracer probably didn't meet Emily in this universe

#

since in the canon universe, she only met Emily after her accident

tranquil orbit
#

The dream never dies

acoustic ice
#

who would be in the mirrorwatch blackwatch

#

all i know is that ashe and maybe tracer would be there

peak escarp
#

Tracer is in Talon

#

Echo is apparently in Blackwatch, according to the blog post

acoustic ice
#

well i’m delving deep enough to consider mirrorwatch tracer the reaper swap

acoustic ice
#

now i don’t know where mirrorwatch echo sides with

#

or who she swaps with

peak escarp
#

they aren't really swaps

#

Doomfist didn't swap with Mercy

acoustic ice
#

am i looking into mirrorwatch too deep

acoustic ice
peak escarp
#

yes

acoustic ice
#

but then again there’s the zenyatta-mondatta-ramattra triangle swaps and the widow-ana swaps so idk

#

alongside gerard being alive and sam being ambiguously betrayed by ana

hushed jetty
#

its less literal swaps for some characters

#

like tracer is "swapped" with reaper but she's not all ghosty

#

ana isnt blue

acoustic ice
#

mmph still fun to look into this unnecessarily deep

spare fox
#

It's less of a 1:1 swap or true mirror and more like a "what if?"

vagrant sedge
#

Anyone got any useful info on venture's background?
The wiki doesn't say much.

peak escarp
#

there isn't much

#

they apprenticed to the Wayfinder Society at 16

#

they've always liked exploring

hushed jetty
#

they moved around a lot as a kid

tranquil orbit
#

Theres some subtle things we can infer tho abt potential future character happenings

#

I like the line where they say I'm sorry mr lindholm because i think theyd be a dope character combination

#

Whether that acc means torb knows who sloane is hard to say tho

#

Im surprised they dont have any interactions w junkrat yet tbh you would've thought considering he's someone who probably also has interest in artefacts (maybe for the wrong reasons but i like to think he could be knowledgeable)

spare fox
#

I wouldn't be surprised if they knew about Torb bc of some Torb-tech utilized in the design of the drill

#

Torb worked and engineered w AI and the smart drill undoubtedly uses some kind of AI to determine what's just plain useless dirt and what has archeological value

tranquil orbit
#

Plus ironclads had their fingers in all sorts of work so it's not crazy to think he helped the wayfinders w some projects at some point

spare fox
#

Absolutely

solemn nacelle
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isnt symmetra evil in the lore

spare fox
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No

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She's kind and wants to make the world a better place, which on paper is what Vishkar wants but we know and Sym has evidence that Vishkar is willing to hurt people to make the world a better place and for profit

tranquil orbit
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i think syms worst quality is that she at least at some points has been complicit in vishkars corporate exploitation

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we know at least in the past she mightve been a bit rigid abt how she was thinking abt things but now esp w lifeweaver back in the picture she's one of the most redeemable characters imo

sullen girder
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I’ll be honest, I thought theirs be some mirrorwatch interaction. But I guess not

hushed jetty
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ye im surprised there isnt more lore

hushed jetty
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catgrease coming in clutch once again

tranquil orbit
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i like how it's a bit of a running gag that venture's fav specialty is ... ALL OF THEM

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it's like w zen theres a different answer every time

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also speaking of zen his new interaction w illari makes me want her to meet doomfist even more now

spare plover
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I asked in general before if anyone thought the blackwatch Genji skin was a nod to Jetstream sam, all i got was one “‘no” so i came here.

carmine willow
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it sure looks like it

spare plover
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I guess thats all it is ye i was just wondering wether or not i was crazy 😭

sly garden
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I didn't feel like searching it but does Venture eat rocks because I've seem memes of it and it made me think

waxen robin
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did soilder 76 have a bf???

sly garden
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Yes

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I think he died

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Idk though

crude pond
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He got married to someone else

waxen robin
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dam

crude pond
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Since jack was too focused on other things so it severed the connection greatly

tranquil orbit
worthy bay
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Is this a place we can discuss the mirrorverse or nah since its all sort of fanfic

peak escarp
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people have been discussing it

worthy bay
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I'm curious what gerard was in this mirroverse- he's part of overwatch in original lore so would he be a talon agent now in the mirror?

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really wish we got skin descriptions of other skins than the mercy

rare trail
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ig it depends if widow is more like tracer or more like ana

peak escarp
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Gerard is mentioned in voice lines, so he's probably on the same side as Widow

worthy bay
peak escarp
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one of her elim lines is "wait until Gerard hears about this"

worthy bay
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Ahh

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that's a knock off one of tracer's lines about emily

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wonder if emily is dead here

peak escarp
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she probably never met Emily

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since in canon they met after Tracer's accident

worthy bay
tranquil orbit
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Kinda random q but does anyone have any idea why they used white hair/highlights on so many of their mirror looks?

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Like i think they look good on some of them but it's almost everyone 😭

peak escarp
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probably just an easy shorthand for making them different

tranquil orbit
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Yh ig

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Still i think for sombra in particular a bit more of a clean monochrome kinda look mightve been interesting

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Like i think main universe sombra would 100% rock mirror sombras hair

merry token
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Widow gets to live a (somewhat) happy life with her husband a_sob

golden oak
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Ana killed Sam? Omg

peak escarp
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she betrayed him

worthy bay
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Dang, wonder how pharah feels about that

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pharah isn't technically overwatch, she's helix, maybe she's a meka in this universe or something

hushed jetty
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zen sounds so dead inside i love it

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what happened to my boy

glacial grove
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Someone give me a cursed summary of the Overwatch lore

golden oak
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Since Athena is in talon and she was created by Mina Liao, that means Mina is still alive (probably) since she was killed by talon in our world

merry mason
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Maybe black watch killed her and she was the Antonio of this world

golden oak
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Hmm

half pelican
golden oak
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Does blackwatch even exist in that world

leaden galleon
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Echo's Stealth skin is considered Blackwatch in Mirrorverse

golden oak
golden oak
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That’s weird

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Maybe blackwatch confiscated her from talon and did a factory reset or something

leaden galleon
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I guess it works? But I really don't know why mirrored Overwatch needs a Blackwatch division

golden oak
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Or they really did kill Mina and found echo still not activated

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And just took her

golden oak
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It doesn’t really make sense for Mina being in talon tho because Aurora freed omnics from Anubis to stop the crisis (with Liao’s help) why would Liao be interested in ending that conflict if that’s what they want

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Unless she rebelled, but like, why

hushed jetty
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maybe she joined After for. some reason

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or maybe liao was blackwatch and built echo specifically for them

acoustic ice
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realistically speaking, what would hurt more: an energy javelin or a rocket punch

rare trail
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probably a rocket punch

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but i havent read orisas new comic so idk

hushed jetty
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well would you rather get impaled or your face caved in

rare trail
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i feel like orisa would make an effort to not like kill you

hushed jetty
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true, but alas you are still Impaled

dawn topaz
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I'd say the javelin hurts more as it impales you

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the fist

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is a blunt object

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mostly

wooden sleet
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its like comparing the heel of a high heel shoe vs a elephant foot,
I think the one with little surface area will hurt more

rare trail
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okay but like the elephant foot has the force of an elephant behind it

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and the elephant is like evil

sweet matrix
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Does anybody wanna tell me why Lucio just doesn’t like Symmetra??

rare trail
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shes kinda trying to like gentrify places iirc

peak escarp
dawn topaz
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Atleast afaik Orisa is meant to be Doomfist's equal/similiar in strength

rare trail
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orisa probably isnt going to like try to kill you w/the javelin so she would probably be pulling her punches

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and orisa mainly beat doom because of her durability iirc

sullen girder
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Would you say that the reverse talon skins are more popular then the reverse owl skins (widow skin excluded since that skin got a lot of love)

leaden galleon
sullen girder