lore-discussion

[tranquil orbit]

Zenyatta on the other hand hints at not being one

And if he was once one he's likely more divorced from the idea now

[keen summit]

well yes obviously

[tranquil orbit]

And it doesnt necessarily need to be magic

[keen summit]

but again, why wouldnt mondatta use anything to protect himself then

[keen summit]

no i know

[tranquil orbit]

U telling me it wouldnt be dope to see that iconic zenyatta kick

[keen summit]

i have my own theories for how it works

[wary root]

Thnx

[tranquil orbit]

Once again extreme pacifist

Or maybe he acc wanted to be martyred

Unite a cause of sorts

[keen summit]

it would, but theres no precedent that zen is actually very strong

[keen summit]

doesnt make sense either

cuz mondatta disagreed with null sector

[tranquil orbit]

In my head it does

Dead often have more impact than the living in ideological terms

[keen summit]

and mondatta and ramattra are ying and yang

thats kinda the idea

[wary root]

I think the conversation between ram and mondatta explains why he chose to go defenseless.
Maybe mondata saw that in his death chaos would brew but it will push the domino pieces for a better world?
A bit clairvoyant but maybe?

[keen summit]

yes, however killing an omnic talking about peace, wouldnt make peace

[peak escarp]

what could he do to protect himself from a sniper bullet to the head?

[tranquil orbit]

No but it would martyr his ideas

Have u seen dune 2

They talk abt this

The reason why they cant just kill paul is exactly this same reasoning

[peak escarp]

I haven't

[tranquil orbit]

So it's not a crazy line of thought that maybe he just didnt care

[keen summit]

thats my point tho, people call zenyatta secretly strong, but if zen is strong enough to beat widow and sombra why wasnt mondatta?

[peak escarp]

don't spoil it

[tranquil orbit]

Sorryyyyy

Just that small detail i promise

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta isn't secretly strong

he's just an omnic

omnics are stronger than humans

[keen summit]

thing is again, its illogical as getting killed while dvocating for peace, would create conflict

[tranquil orbit]

Maybe it's just a rly well kept secret 👀

[tranquil orbit]

Not necessarily?

[peak escarp]

Mondatta had a fraction of a second to react

[keen summit]

my point is that for some reason lots seem to think it and its annoying as hell, like idk where they get it from but lots would often say that zenyatta is actually strong!

[peak escarp]

there's nothing he could do

[keen summit]

again six ur missing my point

im not saying he shouldve been able to

[tranquil orbit]

It's because a lot of the stuff in game tends to get translated onto the screen

[keen summit]

im saying that the people who say zenyatta is secretly able to win against say sombra widowmaker are dumb cuz then for that matter, why couldnt mondatta say stop a bullet?

[tranquil orbit]

One way or another

[peak escarp]

I'm not responding to your statement

[tranquil orbit]

It's not crazy to think that

Even if it has little proof

For now

It's just theorising

[peak escarp]

I'm responding to IUTE saying maybe Mondatta wanted to die

[tranquil orbit]

Not that he wanted to die

Just that maybe it wasnt his be all end all

Ik there was security but theres plenty of examples of for example

[keen summit]

it kinda is, cuz say melee being stronger on zen is very loose cuz the two peopel who are the strongest (with the thing they melee with) do standard damage

[tranquil orbit]

Civil rights martyrs

[keen summit]

unless ur willing to say mercy and mauga are just as strong

[tranquil orbit]

Wait what 😭

[keen summit]

melee is VERY bad to base stuff on

[tranquil orbit]

I think youve missed the point here

[peak escarp]

also, winning a fight against two assailants in hand to hand is completely different from stopping a bullet

[keen summit]

then explain ur point

[tranquil orbit]

Im not saying zen is like a god or something here

[keen summit]

not really necessarilly hand to hand tho

[tranquil orbit]

Just rhat he coukd hold his own if needed

[keen summit]

cuz widow could obviously still shoot

[keen summit]

against any non-above average characters hand to hand sure

[peak escarp]

anyway, those people are just making things up

[tranquil orbit]

Things like his kick or his discord orb could be shown on screen to demonstrate that

[peak escarp]

his kick isn't anything special

and discord orb doesn't exist

[tranquil orbit]

It's iconic 🫡

[keen summit]

he just kicks

[tranquil orbit]

For now

[keen summit]

from what we know

discord orb and harmony can be explained tho with ram

[tranquil orbit]

Just like ppl saying ram doesnt have nemesis form

Like yh it hasnt been shown on screen yet

But im almost 90% certain they will at some point

It's just too good an opportunity to pass up

[peak escarp]

why

[tranquil orbit]

Wdym why it's sick 😭

It's got 4 arms and shit

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta isn't a combatant

[keen summit]

cuz ram uses nanobots, and its the same colour as moiras decaying stuff, its likely its just nanites imbued with that type of technology and if its yellow, its likely with mercys tech. its how its best explained, but we dont know if its true

[tranquil orbit]

Suffer as i have

[tranquil orbit]

"What makes you think i am a pacifist" 👀

Not a combatant

[peak escarp]

I didn't say pacifist

[tranquil orbit]

But he can hold his own

[peak escarp]

source?

[tranquil orbit]

Yh i partially agree w u im just doing some guesswork

[tranquil orbit]

It's theorising 😭

[peak escarp]

then say so

[keen summit]

but tbf, the media comprehension skills of some overwatch players is extensively bad. like zenyatta saying outright that his healing ISNT magic basically, and them going "ITS MAGIC!"

[peak escarp]

dont act like your theories are fact

[keen summit]

or illari, how many people misunderstand illari

media comprehension isnt a strong suit here

[tranquil orbit]

I did multiple times 😭 i always said i think or i reckon

[wary root]

I think its safe to say that widow and sombra expect zenyatta to be a pacifist. And that he might surprise them by fighting if he had the opportunity like if genji and overwatch show up.
But i expect zenyata is smart enough to not engage in combat when he clearly wont win.

[tranquil orbit]

Frankly we need to do a lot of theorising w this story because it's so damn incomplete and they never finish anything

[wary root]

Im so keen to know what happens next in the lore. 😂😂

[tranquil orbit]

This ^^^

[keen summit]

i will say, itsl ikely we still will get that mission

cuz it was quite far in 2022

[wary root]

I hope so. But blizzard’s words are not promising😂

[keen summit]

but imho, they shouldve outsourced it

[keen summit]

and where would that be taken from?

[wary root]

What does outsource it mean?

[keen summit]

let another company work on it, nintendo does it alot

[wary root]

I mean. They always go back and forth with their words.
Pve and then no pve etc

[keen summit]

for example hyrule warriors was made by another company with nintendos brand: the legend of zelda

[tranquil orbit]

Think the main fear over outsourcing is that they like overlapping the game w the story so closely

[wary root]

Oh okay. Yeah that could work. Doesnt that mean they have to sell certain copyrights?

[tranquil orbit]

When u outsource u basically need to give up certain creative control

Meaning it wouldnt be as in sync

Still ig wouldve been better than what we have now

Which is basically nothing

[wary root]

Didnt they do that with the heroes of the storm with genji fighting a demon or something?

[tranquil orbit]

Not familiar w heroes of the storm like that idkkk

[keen summit]

i mean no not really, its for a different reason mainly

atleast i think so

blizzard REALLY wants to keep stuff in house

[wary root]

https://youtu.be/UgJLvtx5PzI?si=UdlitZC4gxqHmz2f

[tranquil orbit]

Wouldnt this be because they like having max creative control

They pride themselves in that from what i can tell

[keen summit]

as in their company always wants to keep stuff to themselves, hence why they only let collabs in their games but never outside

[tranquil orbit]

Yh but why is the q

Financially outsourcing usually makes sense

Riot had to do that plenty to allow arcane to even exist

[keen summit]

not exactly, tho thats what the execs would say, its mainly cuz at the end of the day it means a share goes to those who were outsourced to

[tranquil orbit]

Yh but it still works financially in most cases because it means u cab make projects u otherwise wouldnt

100% of 0 is still 0 ugm

[keen summit]

also because the goal wasnt JUST a story mode, it was to draw more types of players to blizzard games

[tranquil orbit]

Yh thats fair for the story mode but they dont even outsource much for animation from what i can tell

Or maybe thats changed

[keen summit]

that was also said in 2019 "to give players who dont like pve but love the story something to play too!"

[keen summit]

as i said, blizzard is famously stubborn and refuses to outsource anything

even if it would create a better product

[peak escarp]

skins are largely outsourced

the actual models, I mean

[tranquil orbit]

It's ironic asw cos i feel like so much of it stems from the blizzard polish obsession

Toxic mentality

[peak escarp]

the designs are done in-house

[tranquil orbit]

Thats to be expected tho that's an easy creative decision to give up

[keen summit]

i get that. but thats new to me, thanks for informing me

[peak escarp]

which would explain why a lot of skins don't look exactly like their designs

[keen summit]

but basically, blizzard severley likes to keep their intelectual properties to themselves. which is respectable tho is alot of wasted potential often

[tranquil orbit]

I think they gotta change that if they want to survive

Well acc

[keen summit]

u can do a lot more with overwatch in story, im not saying look at hyrule warriors age of calamity but, look at hyrule warriors age of calamity. nintendo didnt have the time or the demand to make a prequel to BOTW but another company could, imagine that with the omnic crissi, or the current story mode

[tranquil orbit]

Theyll probablt survive regardless

[peak escarp]

I think it's better for them to keep creative control

[tranquil orbit]

But if they rly wanna do well

Certain things need to be outsourced

Like if we ever want an animated show

That needs to happen

[keen summit]

actually no, because while it means the IP's are often wasted, it doesnt mean its a loss. it just means wasted potential

[tranquil orbit]

Can also lead to lack of innovation when u end up boxing yourself in because u simply dont have the resources to do what u want

Maybe microsoft helps out w this

[peak escarp]

we're getting off topic

[tranquil orbit]

But still i think it's in our best interests if theyre a bit more open minded

[peak escarp]

Blizzard's business decisions aren't lore

[keen summit]

i meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[tranquil orbit]

They can still have good creative control whilst outsourcing a bit more than they do i think is what im on

[keen summit]

we can make it lore

[peak escarp]

they're not

[tranquil orbit]

WE NEED THE ANIMATED SERIES

[keen summit]

nah i know i know im kiddin around

[keen summit]

honestly, as they havent officially cancelled the pve, i dont expect it

[peak escarp]

the Genesis shorts were outsourced

[tranquil orbit]

See thats what im talking abt

[peak escarp]

so they are willing to outsource lore

and maybe they will do an animated series in the future

[tranquil orbit]

They should tbh they havent done enough w it and likely wont in the future

[keen summit]

theres not enough new for the lore nerds to go wild on from the past, so a new show would either need to be non pve stuff or will need to be what would be pve

[tranquil orbit]

And most of us are starving out here 😭

[keen summit]

i mean i admit i was very dissapointed venture doesnt really have a origin story

[peak escarp]

why not?

[tranquil orbit]

As in why they wont in the future?

Im just noticing a pattern

[peak escarp]

yes

[tranquil orbit]

The background stories have had less and less detail

[keen summit]

cuz i read the bio and stuff and rn, its just "they found out a mystery" YEAH DONT BLUEBALL US

[tranquil orbit]

Focus rly locking onto pvp more than ever before

These are not good signs

[peak escarp]

Venture is young and their bio is sparse - there's not enough to put in a traditional origin trailer

[keen summit]

i mean 26

[peak escarp]

their Adventure trailer was enough

[tranquil orbit]

Point is i cant see them suddenly getting enthusiastic abt doing lots of lore in the future

[tranquil orbit]

Nahhh

I gotta disagree

Theres a reason why i love the voice interactions for them so much

It rly feels like it's filling in some serious gaps

Like how cool would a mauga venture story be or just something

Anything 😭

[keen summit]

its more just that this feels annoying, teasing us with illios having a mystery, teasing us with an anubis statue etc, then just not touching on it

[tranquil orbit]

Exactly

And theyve kept on doing this over the years

[peak escarp]

Venture has been in the game less than a week

[tranquil orbit]

I dont see how it suddenly changes

[peak escarp]

you expect them to answer every mystery immediately?

[tranquil orbit]

Yes but at this point even sigma had a more fleshed out backstory than venture on release

And they keep getting shorter and shorter

Illari

Lifeweaver

[peak escarp]

Sigma is also 3x Venture's age

[keen summit]

six, i aint complaining bout that, its more just that it feels sad to not get origin story as i enjoy those alot and couldve helped make us go "interesting i wonder what it is" instead of HEYYYY MYSTERY!!!!

[tranquil orbit]

For me that doesnt matter the age characters are characters

[keen summit]

it kinda ig feels like a forced mystery to me

and i hope they do well with it tho

[tranquil orbit]

The amount of lide u lige doesn't mean u can't flesh out someones story even a little bit on introduction

Life u live*

[peak escarp]

the older a hero is, the more they've done in their life, which means more detail to put in their bio/origin trailer

[keen summit]

i meaannn not necessarilly

[tranquil orbit]

Thats not rly how characters work for me

[keen summit]

look at illari and zen

[tranquil orbit]

Everyone has stories

[keen summit]

or orisa

[tranquil orbit]

And younger ppl sometimes have more life experience than ppl even 20 years older than them

[peak escarp]

Zen's bio is more about the Shambali than about him

and Illari is an exception

also Zen is older than Venture

[keen summit]

i know, but thats kinda my point, it doesnt need to mean it. ofcourse i am very likely bias as i love the god ais so anything with anubis i want to know

[keen summit]

i know

all i hope is that venture wont be like say hanzo was

[tranquil orbit]

I still dont think venture or illari being comparatively young means u can just neglect them

[keen summit]

aka potential, but never used

[tranquil orbit]

Thats not good writing

[keen summit]

venture isnt even comparetivly young tho

[tranquil orbit]

No matter how young or old someone is everyone deserves to have more story told

[keen summit]

theyre 26, its around the middle of overwatch ages

[tranquil orbit]

To the rest of the cast i swear they are

[keen summit]

nah

you have tons of heroes who are younger or as old

[tranquil orbit]

I swear most of the cast is above 30

[keen summit]

hell theyre only 2 years younger than tracer

[tranquil orbit]

Yh exactly

And tracer was already one of the younger ish ones

Not a new gen ow member bjt still

[keen summit]

quite a few are below too, illari lw tracer brig orisa hammond ramattra

just to name a few

kiriko dva

[tranquil orbit]

Ok the omnics i dont rly count

Age for them doesnt work the same

[keen summit]

nvm

[tranquil orbit]

It's like echo is 14 but no ones saying shes like a teenager

[keen summit]

junk

[peak escarp]

what do you mean?

[tranquil orbit]

Because shes mostly mina liao

[keen summit]

shes very similair to lots of 14 year olds tho

[tranquil orbit]

They often have maturity/experience life different to humans

[keen summit]

not really

shes not actually like liao

[tranquil orbit]

She has a quote where she literallt says that

[keen summit]

her echo wasnt meant as "like liao" it was about her being her legacy

its explained in declassified

[peak escarp]

omnics are created as adults, so their age counts for more years of experience compared to humans, who don't really learn from their experiences for the first 10 years

[tranquil orbit]

Her mannerisms are based off the ppl around her

[keen summit]

Echo was made to be an apology to aurora, a legacy and a love letter to omnics

[tranquil orbit]

Liao was the biggest influenfe

[keen summit]

and liao died.

[tranquil orbit]

Cassidy is also in there a bit

[keen summit]

before she was officially complete

[tranquil orbit]

Yes but shes still most of who echo is for now

Plus i still think this strays from the point

[keen summit]

and how do we know that

[tranquil orbit]

She definitely isnt a teenager

[keen summit]

i mean she kinda acts like one tho

[tranquil orbit]

Not rly 😭

[keen summit]

wanting to learn alot about lots of things is a childlike quality, curiosity n stuff, thats what echo is all about

[tranquil orbit]

Curiosity doesn't make someone w teenager to me

Thats just someone unfamiliar because she isnt human

And new to the world

[keen summit]

and who would be kinda new to the world?

[tranquil orbit]

It's not the same because she isnt human though 😭

[keen summit]

cuz the mannerisms are just like how people pick up on say their parent's mannerisms

[tranquil orbit]

An alien can be new to the world and would likely do the same thing

Wouldnt make them a kid

[tranquil orbit]

Id also like to reference this

[keen summit]

i know? but im saying that its not exactly weird that she would be considered under 30 in mannerisms

[tranquil orbit]

She isnt 14 though

[keen summit]

nah, but i wouldnt say above 30 either, doesnt fit it

[tranquil orbit]

In terms of experience

[keen summit]

but even if we exclude the omnics

[tranquil orbit]

Nah id put her at like maybe 25?

[keen summit]

we still have a ton of heroes below 30

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh i wasnt using her as evidence for that particular issue

Just elaborating abt why for omnics age is different

[keen summit]

id say orisa is the better example, cuz in alot of ways she does act like an adult

[keen summit]

no i know

but again

[tranquil orbit]

Yh thats a better example

[keen summit]

thing is, echo and orisa both arent sentient

and it seems that the omnic ages are when they were built, not when they were awakened

[tranquil orbit]

Hyper intelligent ai no?

[keen summit]

as otherwise, bastion would be -1, ramattra and zen would be same age

[tranquil orbit]

Echo isnt sentient tho yh

[peak escarp]

Bastion would be -1?

[keen summit]

ramattra is younger cuz well, his kind was designed DURING the crisis, not before.

[keen summit]

i meant ~1 or 2 as he awoke very recently

[peak escarp]

Bastion was Awakened when everyone else was

[keen summit]

as in in ow1, we dont know exactly when tho

[tranquil orbit]

As a self evolving ai tho echo might br able to achieve sentience on her own

[peak escarp]

it just stayed dormant

[tranquil orbit]

Just like ppl predict abt real ai

[peak escarp]

until it woke up about 15 years ago

[keen summit]

yeah fair thats what i usually say, but the point then stands

as their ages arent their awakening ages, so keeping them out should be alright cuz yknow, otherwise it would become hella hard

[tranquil orbit]

Yh it's the manufacturing ages isnt jt

[keen summit]

but 30 is around the average as you have alot of younger and alot of older heroes

[keen summit]

when they were made yeah

so its.. weird

[tranquil orbit]

Omnics are great 😭

[keen summit]

i love working on the lore and explaining it, but its always a little complicated with ages

[peak escarp]

The Last Bastion is not recent in the timeline, it happened before Overwatch fell

[keen summit]

never knew that, well the more you know

[tranquil orbit]

Bastion was in the black forest for a long ass time jesus 😭

[keen summit]

and under the sea

[tranquil orbit]

Even longer than i expected

[peak escarp]

yep

[keen summit]

keep in mind he walked to fucking sweden, through the ocean

that takes a bit

even from germany

[tranquil orbit]

Iron giant style

[keen summit]

its impressive tho as i thought bastio nstayed childlike cuz it only had awakening later cuz dormant, but no, he was already awake for 15 years

[peak escarp]

with no exposure to humans

[keen summit]

bastion is the most innocent character ever i swear to god

[tranquil orbit]

Ig maybe his only real outlet was gany

[peak escarp]

nobody to learn from

[tranquil orbit]

So maybe it's more animal like

Than child like

[peak escarp]

yeah

naturally inquisitive

[tranquil orbit]

He kinds reminds me of a dog tbh

[keen summit]

many animals would lash out tho or run, bastion usually doesnt do either of those anymore

[keen summit]

same

in the torb short story where he inspects him the only stuff that triggers are natural responses, like ofcourse it would go fuck no if torb tried to get to its "heart"

[peak escarp]

intelligent animals show curiosity and are less fearful of new experiences

[keen summit]

from now on ill call bastion tarzan

i mean practically the same idea, something capable of human emotions, thoughts and tendencies, but because of growing up with animals it only understands that

and if we assume that omnics did keep memories from before the awakening which makes sense from what we have heard, it makes sense that bastion is the one who would get affected by that so much as he also had no expirience, his pod didnt work well

[peak escarp]

Bastion units weren't supposed to be able to be awakened

they lacked something in their programming

but this one did somehow

[keen summit]

eh i wish we got a little more of the technicalities n stuff, as an engineer i love making it logical, or trying to

hence why my theory for how zens stuff works

[peak escarp]

in Bastion's case you could call it a glitch

[keen summit]

yeah, or just not the right hardware for it, yet somehow works, happens enough in engineering

[golden oak]

I choose to believe he will have some part in figuring out omnics’ sentience

[peak escarp]

probably

Bastion seems important

[zenith mango]

I’m assuming that Hanzos interaction with Sojourn about getting a dog is not canon?

[keen summit]

none of the interactions are

i havent heard it yet tho

[peak escarp]

it's hypothetical

if they met, that's what they might talk about

Hanzo is a dog person apparently

[golden oak]

They never met

[peak escarp]

when someone asks a question, they don't need several people to answer

especially not with pings

[keen summit]

tbf u also answered when i did answer

[peak escarp]

because you didn't give enough information

[golden oak]

Which is weird because he’s a quiet type and stuff I would imagine him having a cat
But he also has that “lone Wolf” thing going on
Although wolves are mostly in packs afaik and cats are more solitary by nature

[keen summit]

yeah no i get you you elaborated was just saying that tbf you too answered

[peak escarp]

I also turned off the ping to make sure I wasn't being annoying

[keen summit]

well tbf, the lone wolf idea is also that he was in a pack but decided to leave

[golden oak]

Yeah I guess

[peak escarp]

feral cats live in communities, it's usually only males that are solo

[golden oak]

Oh

When I spot a cat in the wild they’re usually alone so I assumed 🤷‍♂️

[peak escarp]

colonies, sorry

but same thing

cats are more social than people think

[keen summit]

i dont doubt that

[cunning burrow]

which is?

[keen summit]

nanobots, like ramattra. ramattra and discord orb seem to use moiras creation mainly

then harmony mainly uses mercys creation

hence why discord makes stuff hurt more, their body is getting weakened

[golden oak]

Pretty sure Ram came up with nanites himself after he left shambali

And there’s still no proof of zen abilities being canon

[peak escarp]

Moira has nothing to do with nanites

[keen summit]

again, its why i said it is explainable, we just dont know as its not confirmed where the nanites came from, when they were made, who made them

[peak escarp]

discord orb/harmony orb are just gameplay devices representing the way monks like Zenyatta can use their words to inspire confidence (heal) or instill fear (harm)

[keen summit]

no obviously not, but as nade seems to use the same stuff she has and darts too from ana for example

[golden oak]

Ram made them

He’s an engineer

[keen summit]

yes but is it outright said he made them

[golden oak]

And he’s the only one we see using that tech

It’s pretty obvious

Who else would made it for him

[peak escarp]

Moira, Ana, Baptiste and Soldier all use Mercy's biotic tech to heal

[keen summit]

again tho, for the longest time symmetra was the only one using hardlight, doesnt mean she made it

[keen summit]

and moiras stuff seems to be the opposite of that, as in turned around

[golden oak]

We knew about Vishkar since she came out

[keen summit]

where mercy heals moiras decays

again, im using observation here, as theres no concrete proof

[peak escarp]

please do not ping me with every response

[keen summit]

but that seems like the most logical thing to me

[peak escarp]

we already know that Moira's research is derived from Mercy's

[keen summit]

that what moira uses is a turned around version of it, hence why the mixer is with her constantly, however as i said. its an explanation based on observation

[keen summit]

ah thought u meant that that was wrong

[peak escarp]

there's nothing connecting Moira's damage abilities to Zenyatta's damage abilities besides their colour

and that can be explained by the game having a consistent colour language

[keen summit]

i know, but is it that big of a stretch that moira mightve made it public how it works? im sying that that seems like the most logical conclusion

[golden oak]

Idek what point is bro trynna make

[keen summit]

i was asked how id explain zens abilities

[peak escarp]

the stretch is that Zenyatta would use it, knowing Moira's reputation

[golden oak]

Why would a monk use a technology from the most ethically questionable scientist in the world

[peak escarp]

also Moira has been blacklisted, I doubt she could publish it even if she wanted to

[keen summit]

so explained what seems most logical, as we have little to go off except discord weakening people and being purple. so i gave an explanation based on that

[golden oak]

Do you have any idea what monks do

[peak escarp]

some abilities just don't have a lore explanation

[keen summit]

i do, however again, it could be that its less bad than u may think, as i said discord could just be weakening them, aka to avoid fighting

[peak escarp]

anyway, I'm getting on a flight to Paris - stay civil while I'm gone

[golden oak]

Zen knows self defence

[keen summit]

am i saying thats the case? no. but from what we can observe thats all we can gather. but it wouldnt surprise me if word did get out already about it. ofcourse its just as likely that its just yknow rams tech also weakens people n stuff

and zen uses both rams stuff and the other stuff

as that fits his character

[golden oak]

He didn’t have his staff until he left shambali

[keen summit]

i know, but he did have his orb

[golden oak]

Where

[keen summit]

meditation scene

[peak escarp]

the orbs are just a meditation tool

[golden oak]

Yeah, it’s not the nanite orb

[peak escarp]

all the Shambali use them

they have no inherent power that we know of

[keen summit]

i mean again, it could be that it held nanites, we dont know

[golden oak]

It’s called a void orb i believe

[peak escarp]

Zen gives one to Symmetra to meditate on in Stone by Stone

the Orb of Insight

[keen summit]

and the nanites always swarm around the orb with ram

so yeah

its hard to know anything bout em

[golden oak]

Yeah but his orb is much different

[keen summit]

again tho, its all theorising from my part from observation and technological knowledge.

eh its just odd

it could be that he created it, it could be inherit, it could be that he weaponised it

there are tons of options, but no concrete answers

[golden oak]

Don’t really see shambali omnics using similar tech so I believe he created it himself since we know for a fact he’s an engineer

[keen summit]

hence why i always say its an explanation, not the truth, as at the end of the day we havent seen enough of ram or zen to garner any truths about how they work

[keen summit]

thing is, it IS a perfect explanation to zens abilities, why he floats without any anti grav things, etc

so again, its an explanation, as atm as i have already said, we dont know. there is a chance that it does work like i think, but i could also be off base completely

afterall my explanation about the dragons turned out wrong aswell as it turned out to be magic

[golden oak]

He claims it’s a gift from the iris

[keen summit]

well yea, but thats zen speak

[golden oak]

Why would he lie

[keen summit]

zen is annoying in that sense cuz like, he jokes and dodges questions ALOT

[keen summit]

buddy he has 10 interactions for what he did before the crisis

zen is very okay with lying

[peak escarp]

why can the dragons be magic but Zen's abilities can't be?

[keen summit]

they can be, i just prefer searching for actual deeper explanations

thats all

[peak escarp]

in both cases, all we have is the heroes's word on what it is

[keen summit]

yeah

but again, its my preference

[golden oak]

Maybe he did all of that

[keen summit]

i also saw why say kiriko just couldnt be explained

[keen summit]

maybe, but eh we really dont know

[golden oak]

You could reprogram omnics to any job

[keen summit]

so far zen hasnt really told us anything

and the line is always is that true "he wont tell me either"

so its IMPLIED its not really true

[golden oak]

Whatever happened to Aurora for sure was magical and since she’s a part of every omnic somewhat I don’t see why omnics having gifts from the iris wouldn’t be true

Her sole existence was a miracle

[keen summit]

i mean yeah, even ive had trouble making it logical

like the upload part can be loosely explained

but like, destroying the fucking ground?

creating a image afterwards

and just the whole sentient thing

so yes, zen very well could just have magic n stuff, but his voiceline contradicts

[golden oak]

The whole “no magic rule” was unspoken and was broken entirely when kiriko was released (I mean technically genji and Hanzo were breaking that too but there was some explanations from people that it could be hard light or something)

Besides even in game mercy calls zen’s abilities magic

And she’s a medical prodigy yet doesn’t know how an omnic can heal people just like that (if we assume his abilities are canon to begin with)

Thankfully ow2 lore focuses on omnics a lot so we might finally get some answers

[keen summit]

While zen says or well implies it isnt

[golden oak]

He clearly didn’t wanna talk about it which is kinda weird tbh

Idk why would he gatekeep how he heals

Ik they didn’t wanna reveal it probably or just didn’t came up with an explanation yet but it’s still very out of character for him to just not tell her

[halcyon matrix]

Ventures a dude.

[hushed jetty]

no he did not 😭 the point of the interaction was that he refuses to tell people what he actually did

[hushed jetty]

false! hope this helps

[spare fox]

In the immortal words of Less Than Jake, we're all dudes my millennial is showing

[tranquil orbit]

Truth is i think this is more a writing decision than a character decision

In true overwatch fashion they leave things vague or open ended to let someone else fill in the blank

Same thing goes to the shimada spirits and the like

That voiceline abt science and magic is a catch all explanation

[peak escarp]

Venture is nonbinary, and uses they/them pronouns

[halcyon matrix]

womp womp its a dude

[tranquil orbit]

Saying womp womp doesnt make u any less wrong 😭

[twilit patrol]

Proof?

[hushed jetty]

you have "mx" in your name my brotha how aer you gonna be transphobic 😭

[sullen girder]

Sooo, I heard some voice lines with talon rein and talon Ana. It seems like in this reverse universe, instead of being lovers, it’s like rein is basically Ana’s pet. Mostly cause of the whole “leash” thing they mentioned

[tranquil orbit]

Wait wait wait what 💀

Invincible reference?

Pet is insane though send that voiceline immediately

[sullen girder]

https://x.com/lcapussi/status/1780834776821178476?s=61

https://x.com/sleepiiboi/status/1781069662677029328?s=61

Angy uni (@LCapussi) on X

Fallen Knight Reinhardt exclusive elimination lines @OW2voicelines @mushroomiiee
I'm pretty sure they are meant for the character that have the skin equipped but i'll take it

Twitter · Apr 18, 2024, 5:44 AM

💤Sleepii💤 (@SleepiiBoi) on X

Here are some of Arch-Commandant Amari's unique voice lines in Overwatch! Big shout-out to @Faalund1 & @HazeletOW for the custom mode, it's a game-changer! Let me know if you discover more, I'll update here if I find any I missed. Enjoy! @OW2voicelines

Twitter · Apr 18, 2024, 9:17 PM

https://x.com/sleepiiboi/status/1780812664798605514?s=61

💤Sleepii💤 (@SleepiiBoi) on X

I took the time to collect some of Fallen Knight's skin specific voicelines, Enjoy!

Twitter · Apr 18, 2024, 4:16 AM

[rare trail]

i dont really think theyre implying pet

i think its more like reaper and moiras dynamic where ana controls rein because shes keeping him alive somehow

[sullen girder]

One of the voiceline for talon Ana when she uses sleep on rein, she said “down”…… Like you say to a pet when they misbehaves.

[rare trail]

down is just a super generic line

moira also says it on kill to everyone

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh initially i was thinking this

[tranquil orbit]

But this changes my mind

[sullen girder]

What do you mean?

[tranquil orbit]

As in i think w that extra bit of context i can see the pet interpretation

[sullen girder]

Right? Like they really went all out in these skins. The only one missing from this is talon tracer, so far we only got the description of her skin

[tranquil orbit]

This the only one im getting

Mainly cos i only play tracer but ive been waiting on this skin for so long

Ppl have been doint fan art of it since like 2017 😭

Along w the death comes pose it's so good

I also love that they kept the tracer widow rivalry alive

Venture mightve broken the staring contest but it's still alive and kicking fr

[sullen girder]

Also I heard some ow widow voicelines that shocked me, she said “ramattra wanted peace you monster” after she killed tracer which led me to believe that in this reverse universe, ram is actually mondatta. You know the omnic that widow killed

[tranquil orbit]

Yeppp thats 100% correct

I had similar suspicions abt ram and they were confirmed

I also thought maybe the reason why sigma isnt included is that he's the only constant betwen these two universes

Like after that black hole accident his consciousness is somehow fractured over multiple

[sullen girder]

Would you imagine if they temporarily mad mondatta as the new hero (or at least made a skin for ram

[tranquil orbit]

Rhats just headcanon tho

[tranquil orbit]

Think they already have a shambali monk skin for ram

Hence why they didnt do it

A bit like how reaper has overwatch skins

[sullen girder]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[tranquil orbit]

Theyd just look too similar to what they already have

[sullen girder]

They really outdid themselves this season.

[tranquil orbit]

Yh they did a v good job i love the theme

I wish we had more canon or canon-adjacent alternate universe themes

They were kinda onto something w starwatch but it didnt quite hit the same

[sullen girder]

I wish we could’ve seen more of it though, like I would love to see an ow reaper, a talon solider, junker Winston or maybe a viskar versions of all the junkers

[tranquil orbit]

Vishkar lucio was the real missed opportunity

Ig they mustve not had any ideas of how to implement hard light w his skin

[sullen girder]

And their were examples of it too on Twitter, I forgot the artist names

[tranquil orbit]

Yoooo

The top right one w the blue dreads i like esp

Such a missed opportunity to have a goat lucio skin 😭

Which btw the lucio mythic better have music customisation

[sullen girder]

we’ll see eventually, maybe a season after season 12 since it’s most likely it’ll “finally” be the Egyptian mythology season

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh i always envisioned pharah or ram as getting that one

I cant remember why ram but i think it mustve been some art on twitter or something

Pharah should be obvious 💀

[sullen girder]

Definitely ram, i feel like Anubis (the god I mean) will be the mythic and ram fits it so well and pharah has enough Egyptian skins, I mean she even has an epic skin called Anubis

[leaden galleon]

I think their dynamic here is more comparable to Moira and Sigma maybe

Sigma when nanoed : "Release me!!!11"
Rein when nanoed : "Unleash me!!!11"

[rare trail]

sigma nanoed isnt a interaction with moira though

i dont think sigma and moira have ever like met in lore

[tranquil orbit]

Wait what i swear moira has him on a leash in her lab

[rare trail]

???

[tranquil orbit]

Sombra interactions asking what shes doing to him

[rare trail]

sigma like doesnt even think hes trapped he just thinks talon is letting him do experiments

[tranquil orbit]

And that should be canon

[rare trail]

interactions are hyptothetical and not strictly canon, and theres nothing mentioned about a leash with sigma

iirc

[tranquil orbit]

In this case i think it's fair to assume that this one is

Mainly just because sigma is v much in talons possession

Idk if it's the same as being on a leash but moira is messing w his head

[leaden galleon]

It isn't but that's not the point. The lines (hypothetically) suggest they are both being held against their well, the nanoboost sort of briefly "awakens" them in a sense

[rare trail]

we dont know moira is messing with his head thats never been shown

and sigma isnt being held against his will

[tranquil orbit]

Yh but safe assumptions yk

[rare trail]

hes being lied to, but hes still choosing to stay at talon

i dont think its a safe assumption

[tranquil orbit]

He has no agency in his environment

He's not mentally stable to make that call

[rare trail]

we dont know that

as far as sigma knows, talon is just people who are letting him do experiments and research

theres nothing to suggest hes being held against his will, hes just being lied to

[tranquil orbit]

Yes but it's to me at least that he isnt mentally stable enough to process the entire picture

And even if it was an instance of being lied to thats manipulation

Safe to say w moira's track record it might even be coercion

[rare trail]

being manipulated isnt the same thing as being held against your will though

[tranquil orbit]

For me if someone is in sigmas condition they arent rly in a position to be making those kinds of decisions

No real agency

So ig maybe the against his will thing is irrelevant

[rare trail]

its not clear in lore what sigmas mental state is

[tranquil orbit]

U can infer quite heavily tho

Esp w how sombra seems to show so much concern

[rare trail]

sigma doesnt have to have an extremely bad mental state for sombra to be concerned about him

even if sigma had a perfectly clear mind sombra could still be concerned because hes being lied to

[tranquil orbit]

Yh but it's likely that theres a clear imbalance in the power dynamic

And his mental state and lack of agency is a v viable explanation

[rare trail]

the imbalance is there regardless of his mental state because hes being lied to

[tranquil orbit]

When sombra talks to moira abt frying sigmas brains

Now ik it's hypothetical

But the character sentiments ARE canon

[rare trail]

what interaction are you referring to

[tranquil orbit]

And i think that says a lot

Sombra: You and jefe need to stop frying Sigma's brain!
Moira: I'm trying to help your little friend.
Sombra: scoff And yourself.
Moira: Yes, let's discuss morality. And hypocrisy, while we're at it.

[desert yacht]

the information relayed in the interactions is canon and what they would say if the characters met

even though the interactions themselves have not canonically taken place

moira and doomfist are fucking with sig's brain they wouldnt just make that interaction if that wasnt something going on

[rare trail]

iirc at the beginning of loverwatch they talked about how interactions arent scrictly canon

they said something about how like "tracer and hammond might talk about liking hamburgers, but they havent actually met and this is just what they might say IF they both liked hamburgers"

[desert yacht]

so ana hasnt been to junkertown

[rare trail]

yeah

[tranquil orbit]

It's still unfair to reject the canoninity of voicelines entirely esp certain details in them

For example lucio and sym have never met but have voicelines between them which highlight the dynamic betwen lucio and Vishkar which IS canon

Same could be said abt the sigma sombra voicelines and the ana junkertown voicelines

Imo theres defo a difference between those and obviously silly ones like soldier 76 and junkrat talking abt eating toe nails 😭

Or mauga flirting w mercy

[tranquil orbit]

And yes agreed ... it's way too specific to be overlooked

[rare trail]

i think where you draw the line is very subjective and its too much of a grey area to be really used as good evidence

the dynamic between lucio and vishkar is shown through other sources

[tranquil orbit]

yes but other sources are more often than not (esp w the pace they release official material) released after the fact

until then u need to infer certain things ... which imo u can tell through things like the specificity of a line

or whether the dialogue matches up to where characters are in the story

and so on

[rare trail]

again

that line is subjective

[tranquil orbit]

story and writing isnt an exact science like that

[rare trail]

whats canon is

[tranquil orbit]

theres always going to be some level of subjectivity ... because even if an author says something explicitly they arent the final authority on a text

we deal w multiple authors ... contradictions happen

vagueness

[rare trail]

you are adding a lot of subjectivity

[tranquil orbit]

i just think it's unfair to discard the information in certain voicelines because theres lack of total certainty if they arent contained in an official story or comic etc

inferences are unavoidable

[rare trail]

my point isnt to discard it

my point is that its not strictly canon

[tranquil orbit]

yes but idek if thats the be all end all for things like the sombra or ana voicelines

we're talking abt the information inside them

not the interaction as a whole

[rare trail]

i think its fair to get a vague idea of "sombra cares about sigma" i dont think its fair to jump to conclusions about how sigma is being kept at talon based off them

[tranquil orbit]

i think it is ... when u think abt a writer saying "let's write an interaction where sombra raises concerns to moira about sigma" and they choose frying his brain as the way to start

and we know that all 3 are in the same place working for talon

then imo thats a fair inference

tbh im not sure i can convince u on this and vice versa agree to disagree on this 😭

[nimble jetty]

suck bronze luh trim

[full acorn]

yurrd

[nimble jetty]

like sheild

i got tracer

[full acorn]

mei

[spare fox]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[nimble jetty]

that bancicals

your so od trim on phonem

[sullen girder]

Who here would’ve love to see venture’s origin story?

[acoustic ice]

do you think lucio would play modern dubstep songs that no one knows about

[craggy cipher]

Yall so widows new vc said "ramattra wanted peace you monster!" When she kills tracer with the new mirror watch skin, does it mean ramattra was like mondatta and tracer killed him like how other widow killed mondatta?

[hushed jetty]

presumably

[humble osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/xenspiral why is this guy so dumb

[hushed jetty]

this is the lore channel buster

[humble osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-gif-23944570

[sullen girder]

So, I just discovered that echo Camo/stealth skins just recently have new voicelines, which may be related to the mirrorwatch thing

[hushed jetty]

ye it seems that skin is being included in mirrorverse

[tranquil orbit]

Oooo thats a good find

I wonder what the reasoning is

[spare fox]

New lines like what? Examples?

[peak escarp]

https://vxtwitter.com/mushroomiiee/status/1781488280988483665?s=61

[fresh rock]

It's a MirrorWatch thing, probably for the gamemode so they can have more hero options

[tranquil orbit]

ah so camo echo in the mirror universe was likely trained as a weapon

rather than a hyper intelligent ai

makes sense makes sense

[obtuse cypress]

ive seen two theories abt how mirrorverse tracer killed ramattra

1. tracer used pulse bomb on him
2. same as the cinematic death of mondatta, but tracer strategized the shot so it would go right to ramattra etc etc

idk what yalls preference is for that theoretical lore but i like the second option better? i mean imagine the mess of the first one

[peak escarp]

I've also seen the theory that Tracer stole Widowmaker's gun and used it

like she does in the cinematic trailer

[obtuse cypress]

poor widowmaker honestly. doesnt have it easy in any universe

i wonder if her husband is alive in mirrorverse

[wide fossil]

If it’s a mirror verse shouldn’t widow be the one dead and her husband becomes the sniper

Or is that mirroring the wrong thing

[short walrus]

Mirroring the wrong thing

It’s like talon is Overwatch and Overwatch is talon and there’s also like Sym being Junker

[wide fossil]

I like how everyone forgets about Genji being junker too

[short walrus]

I haven’t got that far

Ima have to look at it

🤣😭

[wide fossil]

Skin looks mid Dw

That’s why nobody paid attention to it

[sullen girder]

Did you see the link?

[twilit nacelle]

finna be in my rotation tho fs

[dawn topaz]

Her husband has purple skin isntead

[sullen girder]

Saw this video and what this person at the end actually shook me.

[swift heart]

so sigma

[sullen girder]

?

[swift heart]

https://tenor.com/view/kunai-nakasato-kunai-nakasato-nijisanji-niji-sanji-gif-2007118682286875933

[spare fox]

I know it doesn't "count" since mirrorwatch isn't canon but this could be seen as our first dead hero (in a way)

[swift heart]

so sigma

[spare fox]

Unless they're going for the Ramattra-is-secretly-alive thing and faked his death

[spare fox]

?

[fresh rock]

In Mirrorwatch, I feel like Sigma and Illari would be swapped. Talon would go after Illari as she is seen as a weapon, compared to Sigma, a lone survivor of the black hole opening.

[twilit nacelle]

this actually makes since

[magic loom]

oi

[sullen girder]

You know everytime I find some mirror watch related stuff, the more I’m excited about the event coming this Tuesday

[honest gale]

[left lion]

Why can’t they do these things on weekends, when half there playerbase isn’t at school 😭

[sullen girder]

I mean, can’t you play it in the afternoon or something, I mean that’s what I usually do anyways (during my school days anyway)

[twilit nacelle]

I be tired asf after school ngl☠️

1 more year tho😔🙏🏾

[fossil roost]

I can’t believe that widowmaker isn’t canon

[sullen girder]

The regular widow or the mirror widow?

[fossil roost]

Regular

[sullen girder]

What do you mean not canon?

[fossil roost]

She isn’t in the actual lore

[twilit nacelle]

wym

[wind wind]

omg

[wide fossil]

Who’s the richest character in ow

[sullen girder]

Hey is reverse mercy the leader of talon in this universe?

[leaden galleon]

Yes

[sullen girder]

Kinda find that funny, I mean a healer as the leader of an entire organization. I would say the talon soldier is the leader but I’m not even sure if talon soldier exists in this universe

[leaden galleon]

I'd say Mercy and Doomfist are more so de facto leaders of Talon in their respective universes

Talon's leadership is made up of a council of leaders, rather than one sole leader

Mercy fits as the figurehead of Talon imo

Not the best fit, but it does fit

[sour raft]

Shouldn’t soldier be the leader of talon not mercy?

[sour raft]

I feel like the equivalent would be Moira Being the head of talon

Imo

[leaden galleon]

Soldier or Sojourn would be the better fits, as they have the same no-nonsense type of approach to leadership that Doomfist has

[sour raft]

Well sojourn was never a leader of ow

It was Gabriel then jack

[quiet ridge]

I always thought Doomfist and Reaper were the head of Talon

[sour raft]

I thought just doom was

[quiet ridge]

It only seems natural that doom and Reaper would be

I see Moira more of a second in command

Embed fail btw

[sour raft]

I think reaper ranks under doom

Also I saw that

No perms ☹️

(I don’t have gif perms either)

[halcyon violet]

bugger

[quiet ridge]

So like

Why was Baptise in Talon

And then OW?

[sour raft]

Cause

I actually just never studied baps lore so I have no clue

Think it has to do with what he was fighting for

He didn’t agree with talon

Idk tho

[leaden galleon]

It's explained in his origin story

[quiet ridge]

I fogro

[sour raft]

I don’t feel like watching that rn

Who’s mitzis equivalent on talon

[leaden galleon]

He was orphaned b/c of the Omnic Crisis, joined Talon because he had no other options, realized they're messed up, then left

[sour raft]

That’s the real question

^

[quiet ridge]

[sour raft]

See I was sort of right

[sour raft]

^

[sullen girder]

I just had a realization. I thought since sym was a junker in this universe, I thought the junkers would work In vishkar, but after looking at the rat’s junkbot skin I realized, would it make more sense if the junkers were omnics? Since junkers hate omnics and stuff

[quiet ridge]

That's true

Wait

[nimble dagger]

You’re actually genius!! That makes a ton of sense and genuinely would’ve been interesting to see

[hushed jetty]

mitzi's just evil

[sour raft]

lol

[quiet ridge]

Since Widowmaker killed Mondatta with a sniper

[sour raft]

Oh shit that a rabbit hole

[quiet ridge]

Wouldn't that mean in the mirrorwatch timeline

Tracer bombed Ram....

[sullen girder]

And the other day I thought that it would also makes sense that’s Winston would be a junker since ball was a junker as well?

[sullen girder]

Yeah, ow widow confirmed it

[sour raft]

If you bring it to its most surface level in mirror watch wouldn’t omnics evolved and humans been invented 😐

[nimble dagger]

That’s reasonable too

[quiet ridge]

Yeah......

[sour raft]

Just saying if it was opposite omnics would be oppressing humans and we would get the human crisis

Overwatch a team of omnics was formed to help omnics in need during the human crisis

[sullen girder]

This season is really raking my brain with all this mirrorverse lore

[sour raft]

😐

[quiet ridge]

Would Overwatch be working with the humans or the omnics?

[sour raft]

Omnics

[sullen girder]

Yeah, it’s too bad we’ll never get to see it, at least not an official one. This season is just more focused on ow vs talon (at least the event of it anyway)

[quiet ridge]

Damn bruh

That's crazy

Wait no

[sour raft]

If everything was opposite then then they’d be living in a different dimension where up is down etc

[quiet ridge]

Cuz Ram would be fighting for the same cause as Mon

[sour raft]

Gravity repels

Stars are cold

[quiet ridge]

Roles change

Not timelines

Well

[sour raft]

How mirrored are we is the real question

[quiet ridge]

Set of evenfs

[sour raft]

Okay

[sour raft]

Wait would that make zen like ram

Would ram be floating 🤯

[quiet ridge]

Nono

[sour raft]

Ik ik I’m jk

[quiet ridge]

Cuz Ram gets killed in the mirrorwatch timeline

He gets bombed by tracer

[sour raft]

Oh shit your right

[quiet ridge]

Meaning

[sour raft]

Does mon become ram

[quiet ridge]

Zen might be the same

[sour raft]

Or wait

[quiet ridge]

Yeah

[sour raft]

Mon is on the other side tho

[quiet ridge]

Cuz they switch roles

Mon was for equal rights

[sour raft]

No but mon wouldn’t be fighting for omnic peace

[quiet ridge]

Mon in the og timeline was advocating for Omnic peace

[sour raft]

So I think it’s just ram in the place of Mon

[quiet ridge]

Yeah

Now Ram was advocating for peace

[sour raft]

And mon and zen are like ram and ram 2

[quiet ridge]

Idk about zen

Maybe?

[sour raft]

Oh so your saying Mon takes the place of ram

Okay

Hm

[quiet ridge]

Yeah

[sour raft]

What would happen with zen then

[quiet ridge]

Mon takes place Ram's place

[quiet ridge]

Idk honestly

[sour raft]

That makes way more sense

[quiet ridge]

I dont think he has a counterpart in the lore

WIAT

[sour raft]

Cook

[quiet ridge]

Wouldn't it be funny if Junkrat and Torb switch places

Omg I'm cooking

[sour raft]

Wait

I feel like som would be like torb

[quiet ridge]

Sombra?

Sombra is part of OW tho

[sour raft]

Bc they both make shit and are like the technical people of each team

Exactly

[quiet ridge]

Rat isn't part of the OW team tho

[sour raft]

Sombra becomes the torb in the normal universe

[quiet ridge]

Wait

OHHHHHH

Yeah I get you

Ur right

[sour raft]

So like torbs role would be filled by Sombra in mirror watch

[quiet ridge]

What Roadhog and Rat are the leaders of Junktown

[sour raft]

Wait what would become of Ingrid’s apple pie?

[sour raft]

Shit

Your right

[quiet ridge]

And Sym and Queen take their places

[sour raft]

Junker town gonna be on fire

[quiet ridge]

Naaaauuurtttt

Who let Rat cook

[sour raft]

Or would they not even be junker in the first place

[quiet ridge]

I'm a little curious tho

[sour raft]

Yeah he’s for sure be a totalitarian dictator

[quiet ridge]

What happens to Orisa

Does she still chase doomfist out of Numbani?

[sour raft]

Well it’d technically be soldier

[quiet ridge]

Does that imply she's now a badguy

[sour raft]

I guess it would

I guess doom defends numbani from orisa

Idk

Wait let’s make this simpler

Would the characters remain in their place of origin

Bc In that case doom and orisa wouldn’t even be in numbani

[quiet ridge]

OHHHHHHHH

THATS TRUE

WHAT IF EFI PART OF TALON

😳

[sour raft]

You know what

She would be Sombra

Or the Sombra

Bc of her tech skills

But then again torb understands tech

Theres too many loop holes

Maybe I’ll write a strongly worded email to blizzard

[hushed jetty]

im telling you a mirrorwatch follow up season would go hard

give more characters mirror skins you feel me

[leaden galleon]

Mirrorwatch Part 2 better have Vishkar skins

For the Junkers or whoever

[fast karma]

7890po-[

[hushed jetty]

real as hell

and overwatch mauga

[hearty flame]

🤫 👉 👌 😏 😫 😩 🍆 💦

[hearty flame]

.. / .-- .- -. - / - .... . / .... --- - / .-- --- -- .- -. / - --- / .- -... ... --- .-.. ..- - . .-.. -.-- / ... .-.. --- -... -... . .-. / .- .-.. .-.. / --- ...- . .-. / -- . / .-- .... .. .-.. . / .. / -.-. .... --- -.- . / .... . .-. / --- ..- - / .- -. -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / - .... .- - / .. .----. .-.. .-.. / -.-. --- ...- . .-. / .... . .-. / .. -. / -- ..- ... - .- .-. -.. / .-.. .. -.- . / .- / -.. . .-.. .. ... .. --- ..- ... / -... .-. .. ... -.- . - .-.-.-🗿

[past copper]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[golden oak]

Any of you have some headcanons for mirrorwatch moira?

[spare fox]

She loves rabbits

[viral tendon]

She condemns unlawful experiments

[golden oak]

No but would she even be a scientist?

Like, sym is a Junker

[viral tendon]

Maybe she’s someone like mercy, a battle medic of sorts

Or a scientist for good research (whatever that is in the ow universe)

[spare fox]

I cannot extricate her from genetic and biological science, like how even though she's a junker Mirrorverse Sym is still an engineer-architect

But maybe she's more into curing and treating genetic conditions rather than decay and destruction

[tranquil orbit]

Maybe mirror moira follows a similar arc to cassidy wherein they basically convinced her to change her ways or something

[peak escarp]

maybe she does actually cure Reyes's issues

[tranquil orbit]

Speaking of which what happened to cass in the mirror version

[peak escarp]

there's no mention of him

[tranquil orbit]

Yh but what couldve happened

Im thinking he mightve stayed bounty hunting

[peak escarp]

maybe

[tranquil orbit]

Or maybe he's in the old mauga role where he runs missions for talon on his own in a v free spirit kinda way

[twilit nacelle]

probably since overwatch didn't catch him and give him the choice of joining blackwatch or to rot in prison

maybe the deadlock gang is still a thing, idk

[languid arrow]

in the voiceline between mirrorwatch tracer and widow does it mean tracer was the one who killed the peaceful robot dude? i forgot his name 😔🤞

[golden oak]

Yeah but in that universe Ramattra was the peaceful one, not mondatta

[stone vessel]

if ramattra had a mirror watch thingy, what would he be?

human ramattra

[sullen girder]

Found these (art by zandiiangelspit and jonadraws)

[stone vessel]

why did i think first one was buff widow 😭

[lavish vessel]

He took the place of mondatta

[merry token]

Blue Mauga…

[sullen girder]

There’s also this that one of the artists posted and they said:
“Mirrors don't perfectly split in two... they shatter...
~
What if... Mauga never joined Overwatch?
What if... he became bitter and angry and became the new leader of the Deepsea Raider's?”

I forgot about the deapsea raiders (mauga’s former group)

[golden oak]

HES SO CUTE?!??? HELLO????

Now I’m kinda mad we didn’t get mauga

[golden oak]

He’s canonically dead in mirrorwatch universe

[hushed jetty]

i want more deepsea raider info SO BADDDDDD

[fringe frigate]

Cassidy and Hanzo run an entire mafia together and watch gunsmoke on the weekends happily married with 3 kids

[tranquil orbit]

yooo these concepts are sick

they better do a part 2

[sullen girder]

We might, I mean these skins in particular aren’t in the game yet

[tranquil orbit]

the fact they still havent added hawaiian shirt mauga or his fit from A Great Day is a bit sad

im guessing it's a resources issue because normally they add cinematic-only looks

[hushed jetty]

they also never added lifeweaver's origin story outfit so i dunno

[sullen girder]

It’s kinda upsetting that they didn’t give us more reverse ow skins. Maybe the new game mode will be 3v3?

[tranquil orbit]

this asw 😭 idk why but i like it a lot more than his normal default

something abt the lab coat and tie

[golden oak]

That torb Skin is so good

[golden oak]

They don’t like to do skins for new heroes for some reason

[hushed jetty]

mauga has been getting quite a few skins tbf

bonesplinter, magma, rugby, and then the collab one

[tranquil orbit]

yh idk why

they did it for JQ and sojourn w her vigilante one

[golden oak]

No base legendaries

[golden oak]

Most of them are mid imo
I personally only like rugby and it’s an epic 💀

If bonesplinter didn’t shave him, didn’t remove his tattoos
And give him a better haircut, it would be decent

[merry token]

Venture looking like a candy cane 😭🙏

[past copper]

Seems those two got their skins mixed up

Ice cream Torb would have made more sense, his claw dispenses ice cream

But I guess coal minor Venture would have been too… obvious

Welp, at least Orisa, Mei, Junkrat, n Ball got another ice cream employee XD

[tranquil orbit]

tbh at this point just make it a whole bp theme

go all out candy kingdom w these lot

[acoustic ice]

is there really no fanfic channel or anythi g like that?

[sour raft]

Lmaooo that’s a good one

[blazing pendant]

wrong channel

[past copper]

I mean, they might call it Candywatch or something. Can’t come up with a better name

[unkempt mulch]

Yo guys ik im in wrong channel but y r q times so long

[worthy rose]

i ask myself the same question

[sullen girder]

How would you feel about a junker themed battle pass?

[hallow elk]

NEED IT!!!

[short nova]

I would definitely buy

[hallow elk]

I love that idea!

[sour raft]

For sure

[mystic zodiac]

In love with that!

[sour raft]

New junker hero’s would be cool too

Has the new hero been confirmed yet

[hallow elk]

ya like junkergrunt

or roadrat

[sour raft]

Nah they got to have their own personality

Not a grunt

Like a vital person

[short nova]

junkerhog?

[hallow elk]

junkerking?

[sour raft]

Nah he’s chilling in the wasteland rn

[short nova]

is that canon

[sour raft]

It’s canon he’s out there

Idk if he’s alive

Or dead

[tranquil orbit]

He's banished until further notice

[hallow elk]

me and my theys were talking about this earlier, is solder gay? or is that a head cannon by my friends?

[tranquil orbit]

Nah hes gay

[sour raft]

They legit gave him a bottle of water

[short nova]

he is gay thats not headcanon

[tranquil orbit]

Canonical

[short nova]

thats canon

[sour raft]

He could be dead

[hallow elk]

oh ok, thanks a ton guys!

[sour raft]

Theres even a banner

[hallow elk]

👀

[sour raft]

That has the flag for gay men behind it

Idk the right term

It’s not the pride flag

But a one specific for that

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh i reckon mason howl is alive

[rare trail]

gay pride flag ig

[tranquil orbit]

He mustve had some level of competence to win the reckoning in the first place

[sour raft]

Yeah

[sour raft]

Is there a bloodline thing

Like maybe his father won and then it’s since been rigged

[tranquil orbit]

Im not sure but i know he had to defeat someone like jq defeated him

[rare trail]

i doubt junkertown would have a bloodline thing like that

[tranquil orbit]

So he isnt completely useless

[sour raft]

Well is there a blood line

He could have inherited it

[tranquil orbit]

Nah as in he acc did fight someone

Someone else in the liberation front

I forgot his name

It wasnt a loophole

Jqs father stone

[sour raft]

Ah

What about another lunar colony hero that is actually a person

[short nova]

AGREEEED

[sour raft]

Someone from the moon would be cool

[short nova]

ive been thinking this

[sour raft]

Forgive me but who

[tranquil orbit]

Junker king

[sour raft]

Ah

[tranquil orbit]

The guy who junker queen fights in her cinematic

[sour raft]

No ik

[tranquil orbit]

Sorry just clarifying 😭

[sour raft]

Just didn’t know his name