lore-discussion

[tranquil orbit]

so maybe that isnt the best example to zoom in on

[worthy rose]

The context however wasn't a good pick

[lilac musk]

How old is every Overwatch character?

[rare trail]

its in pins and on the official site

the newer ones arent in pins though

[lilac musk]

I find it so funny that Blizzard couldn't fathom making Kiriko like 28 or 32 and still act 21.

[tranquil orbit]

Yh the age thing is a bit weird w her

It'll be explained by something at some point tho

[rare trail]

yeah

if it was really wrong they probably wouldve changed it by now

[viral tendon]

It’s either they make her older or the shimadas younger, but I’m pretty sure she’s 21 for the community

[rare trail]

theres other ways to explain it

like kitsune magic keeping her young

[tranquil orbit]

yh thats what i was hinting at i agree

idk if theyll explicitly say magic tho thats a whole taboo nono thing iirc

but we also have tracer and mercy as characters whove had age things explained in the past

[rare trail]

?

not mercy

and tracer just like skipped two years iirc

[tranquil orbit]

maybe it was just a theory

something abt her medicine seemingly slowing down her aging process drastically

[rare trail]

yeah thats not canon

[tranquil orbit]

yh tracer is an actual thing tho

chronal accelerator shenanigans

[rare trail]

uh

lead writer said in a tweet everyone ages normally a few years back

[tranquil orbit]

wait in what context tho

[viral tendon]

But it wouldn’t change her biological age would it? It would just changer her physical appearance

[tranquil orbit]

we dk how it works

so maybe it does lock her in time? somehow?

[rare trail]

i forget im trying to find the tweet

lore doctor has said this before and i trust her but ill try to find the tweet

[tranquil orbit]

when it's theorising idt theres a right or wrong answer still

the writers themselves flip flop abt this stuff all the time

[rare trail]

idk

[tranquil orbit]

still it's fun to think abt

[rare trail]

i dont think this means you can just ignore stuff they say

tracer and mercy stuff already existed when the tweet wouldve been made

[tranquil orbit]

i mean theyve said no magic before and i take their word on it

but i can easily see them backtracking on that

esp if it makes writing certain characters easier

[rare trail]

there also isnt like a reason to think tracers aging is weird

found the tweet https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/758373334803292160

[tranquil orbit]

ah nice

yh so they do age but it can be warped

[rare trail]

the only character we have reason to suspect doesnt age normally is kiri iirc

[rare trail]

wdym warped

[tranquil orbit]

as in chu confirmed they arent trapped in time ... but that doesnt mean they dont age decelerate

[rare trail]

there isnt a reason to think they age slower

[tranquil orbit]

in kiri's case itd be more likely to be a locked in time situation

[tranquil orbit]

wasnt there that whole thing abt tracer

[rare trail]

what whole thing

[tranquil orbit]

im sure there was a line even in the recent pve

[rare trail]

?

[tranquil orbit]

i will try and find it

[rare trail]

the only weird aging in lore is kiri mei and tracer because tracer and mei skipped some years

and kiri's is weird

[tranquil orbit]

Mei: Doctor Ziegler, I don't think you've aged a day since I last saw you.
Mercy: And neither have you, Mei. (this was the quote that got ppl thinking abt mercy btw)

readings vary but i do like to believe that her medicine does at least slow her aging down to some extent

just because itd be fun

[rare trail]

thats just like a compliment

[tranquil orbit]

could be depending on how u read it

[rare trail]

i think youre reading into it like way too much

[tranquil orbit]

i mean im not the one who came up w this one 😭

[rare trail]

also like the last time they saw eachother would be like super recent

[tranquil orbit]

it's not crazy esp w mercy's capabilities and resurrection existing in game

[rare trail]

rez isnt canon though

[tranquil orbit]

but like u said depending on how u read it it's also just a compliment

[tranquil orbit]

yh but abilities do intertwine w future stuff u put in the lore

a bit like how ram's nemesis isnt canon rn but probably will be at some point

if that makes sense?

[rare trail]

that does make sense i think but i feel like specifically with the aging thing you lose me

like if rez is somehow made canon i dont see how that connects to aging other than like being a medical advancement

[tranquil orbit]

exactly medical advancement is what im getting at

like she has medicine so advanced it slows down her aging

i realise it's not 1 for 1 but i still think possible

also yh lemme find that tracer thing cos it was interesting

[rare trail]

i think the mercy thing mostly stems from people thinking she was og ow

idk about the tracer thing though ig just general time stuff

[tranquil orbit]

im rly deep diving here but i believe theres a tracer voiceline on the train u can get

in the toronto pve mission that says something abt it

im just tryna find where theyre all collected

[tranquil orbit]

ok i cant seem to find where to find it ... from what i remember it goes something along the lines of claire saying tracer looks a bit young to be there and she ends up explaining

it mightve just been the 2 year gap thing but i seem to remember something else

if anyone knows where i can find all of those toronto train voiceline combos lmk 😭

[past copper]

It’s already been confirmed in Overwatch: Declassified

Medical advances have greatly improved people’s health

So people are capable of living longer lives and looking young despite their age

Examples of this being Reinhardt, Mercy, Sigma, etc.

[tranquil orbit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKg7_qGhWVc (17:42) - i know jeff kaplan nor michael chu is around anymore but idt anything theyve said here necessarily contradicts

so yh i do think tracer has unique aging properties that extend beyond just the 2 year time gap

it's not that she doesnt age at all but it isnt the same for everyone else

[peak escarp]

sleeping

[spare fox]

the lore never sleeps

except for the weeks and months of time between lore drops

[bitter kayak]

Hey, I have a question about the Overwatch lore, specifically regarding the Japanese characters (Kiriko, Genji, Hanzo). Do they have magical powers or is there a scientific/mechanical explanation?

(Technical like for Sojourn and Tracer since they have mechanical advancements to them) (Or scientific like Reaper, widowmaker, and Moira)

Genji could be under mechanical since bro is a cyborg, but where does that dragon come from?? same thing with hanzo and kirikos fox and teleportation

[peak escarp]

Kiriko's fox is a spirit fox

the dragons aren't explained, but are probably the same thing

they're called "spirit dragons"

[tranquil orbit]

I get the feeling that the zen quote: 'what seems like magic is sometimes science we dont yet understand' is also going to be used increasingly by the writers to explain these kinds of things away

Theres also no telling what a new set of writers might decide to change so nothings ever set in stone

[peak escarp]

they haven't given any scientific explanation for the dragons yet

and they've said outright that the fox is a spirit

so unless that gets retconned, that's the current explanation

[tranquil orbit]

Thats what im saying idt we're going to be getting a scientific explanation ever for any of the spirits

When they can write it as science that isnt understood even in the ow universe

It's a bit of a cop out to stick to the no magic rule but it is convenient

[past copper]

I recall that in Hanzo’s part of the book, he said the Hashimoto were using swords similar to what the Shimada used, but nowhere near their level

I think this confirms the dragons are tech forged by Kiriko’s father, but specifically made for the Shimada to use the dragons

Whereas he’s made crude swords so the Hashimoto can’t use the dragons themselves

[keen summit]

Not really

It just means hashimoto aent trained well and are incompetent

Which we already knew

Also nowhee is it implied kirikos father knows alot of tech

[smoky tendon]

erm i'm pretty sure kiriko, genji, and hanzo have magic powers

[native gulch]

Yeah the dragons are pretty magic and Kiriko’s abilities are magic in all but name

[peak escarp]

"spirit"

[native gulch]

I can’t tell if you misinterpreted what I meant by “In all but name” or are clarifying what the name used is

[peak escarp]

in all but name

it's called "spirit", which is magic in all but name

I guess I'm clarifying

[tranquil orbit]

Still i think theres validity to the idea that mystical, spirit or magic whatever u wanna call it

Some of the writers have proposed the idea that these things mean different things for different ppl and maybe it is just an instance of the science not being advanced enough to explain them

I think it was arnold tsang who said this

2021 ish

Another problem w this is that all these ppl we're mentioning whether it's michael chu or others have not been part of the writing process for years at this point

It's also likely things just might've changed in terms of what they care abt

[peak escarp]

maybe

Chu said the dragons are not magic, but either he didn't consider spirits to be magic or that stance has been retconned

because if the kitsune is magic/"spirit" then so are the dragons

[tranquil orbit]

I still like the hardlight nanobot theory 😭

Wont happen but still

[merry mason]

It could easily still happen

[pure geyser]

Zen needs to give Ramattra a hug, they give off homie vibes (I know their lore please ow I just want them to be close again let them be happy)

[pure geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/hack-khaby-lame-life-gif-21541617

[native gulch]

@peak escarp I think you’re the proper person to take care of this. Scammer.

[pure geyser]

I’m more surprised they think fucking telegram will work

[dreamy shoal]

Widow will be free one day

[twilit patrol]

I think she'd better stay what she is

[dreamy shoal]

I kinda want her to be free but commit suicide at the end, sorta like as a way to release her soul and see her husband again

[opaque tundra]

sorry what

[dreamy shoal]

I mean it

[peak escarp]

I don't think they would go there

[dreamy shoal]

They don't have to like show it

It can be implied

Or something less gruesome like overdose

Widow is an alcoholic I'm pretty sure

[rare trail]

why?

[dreamy shoal]

Why is she an alcoholic?

[rare trail]

yeah why do you think that?

[dreamy shoal]

She has a victory pose with her holding a big wine glass, an emote of her holding a wine glass, and on her map chataeu guilliard there's a section of the house with a bunch of wine bottles

[rare trail]

thats p weak evidence

[peak escarp]

a lot of heroes have toast poses with alcohol

if anyone is an alcoholic it's Cassidy

[dreamy shoal]

Cassidy is a nicotine addict

Every skin he has has a cigar in his mouth

[rare trail]

well thats like a part of his character design and generally skins dont deviate from that much

[rare trail]

i dont think liking wine makes you an alcoholic and a wine cellar is a pretty common rich thing to have especially in france

[dreamy shoal]

I guess. But don't u think a lil convenient? A emote and victory pose holding a wine glass, she sure loves wine....

[rare trail]

i mean in her lore appearances i dont think shes ever been seen drinking

and wine is like a pretty big thing in french culture

[merry token]

Why do you want her to overdose and die to finish her character☠️☠️☠️

She can be “free” without dying 😭😭

[rare trail]

widow is like

already "free" to an extent

like she has free will and stuff

[merry token]

She chooses to stay in taking

Talon

**

[rare trail]

i mean like she cant leave talon because like she's a fugitive

[merry token]

Yeah

Yeah but she originally chose to stay

And keep killing

[rare trail]

well she was also a fugitive then

but like shes not more trapped than like anyone else in talon

like she cant just leave but neither can reaper or smth

[dreamy shoal]

It's sort of a symbolic thing. Her being "free" the only way she could be. She felt trapped when she was younger due to her parents more conservative lifestyle (thats why she took up ballet, as a form of escapism) and now she's even more trapped as an assassin. Death would be her only release from her entrapment. I'm sorry if this doesn't sound good im not really good with words

Her being free with her husband once more through death

[tacit stirrup]

This is funny out of context

🤣

[golden oak]

@peak escarp look how they massacred our boy

[peak escarp]

the thighs make up for it

[past copper]

So be honest. You think these skins are for the upcoming Fallout series?

[golden oak]

I think it’s a coincidence because skins take time to be created

[peak escarp]

they don't have anything to do with Fallout

retro futurism exists outside of Fallout

[spare fox]

WHAT THE TEEF

[golden oak]

Yeah that too

[spare fox]

Is/are Longhorns a faction that have been mentioned before?

[peak escarp]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Longhorn

[leaden galleon]

Cassidy is a UT alumni /j

[past copper]

We finally see more Junker skins

Not gone lie tho. I kinda hate Genji’s

[spare fox]

Yeah I'm aware of what Longhorns are and their relevancy to texas

[rare trail]

why does he have teeth 😭

[spare fox]

Just asking about the skin

[past copper]

It’s a mask

[rare trail]

ik

it looks weird

[past copper]

Like a junker Oni mask or something

But maybe I have to see more of it first. Too early to judge rn

[rare trail]

i wonder if these skins will have more developed lore

[past copper]

Love Sym’s tho. I never thought she could look badass until now

[rare trail]

like if they'll explain like how/why genji ended up in junkertown

[past copper]

Doubt it. D.Va has a Junker skin, but I don’t think there’s lore to it

[rare trail]

yeah but thats different because it like wasnt connected to the season theme

[past copper]

I’m honestly not sure if this is supposed to be Genji n Sym in mirror universe or just random skins

[golden oak]

I don’t get the idea behind this skin tbh

[golden oak]

Same tbh

[golden oak]

They fixed Hanzo’s casual ugly hair, hopefully they fix his teeth

[leaden galleon]

Sym’s skin for a mirrored universe makes sense

Genji’s I would love to see lore for lol

Curious how he’d end up a junker

[golden oak]

Maybe it’s a reference to when Hammond asked him if he’d be interested in fighting in arena

I’d rather just see him mirrored with talon tho

[past copper]

Honestly think Talon Genji makes more sense

But it would probably seem too close to his Blackwatch skin

Which honestly already looks like Talon to begin with

[golden oak]

What if they made him not cyborg

It’s mirrored after all

[past copper]

By that logic, it should have been Genji to have “killed” Hanzo instead then or something

[golden oak]

Yeah, why not

[past copper]

Whether that be the clan told Genji to kill his brother or Genji defeated Hanzo instead

Dealers choice there

[golden oak]

The clan didn’t tell Hanzo to kill him btw, but set him straight cuz he was misbehaving
So if in a mirrored universe Hanzo would be the misbehaving one I don’t see the problem in genji being the one almost killing Hanzo

Or could be also genji being jealous of Hanzo being the heir and trying to kill him

And then going into his villain era after being exiled or something and eventually joining talon

[dreamy shoal]

How does reinhardt put his armor on?

[golden oak]

Brig helps

[dreamy shoal]

But hanzo didn't join talon, he's a lone wolf. So in a mirror universe genji wouldn't join talon either

[golden oak]

It’s a faction swap, not exactly role swap

So I think genji would be in talon and Hanzo with hashimotos maybe

[verbal aurora]

Our soldier was being a toxic prick so I told the other 3 teammates ily and he got so damn mad lmao

[limber relic]

mercy wouldn't have been so sympathic to genji so he most likely would've ended up in junkertown and got repaired with scrap like junkrats leg

[verbal aurora]

OR Moira would've gave him the Reaper treatment

[limber relic]

moira is good in the mirror verse tho

she I don't think she'd be in it at all

because she was famous for her evil experiments

[sour raft]

Is Lucio a love interest for brig? I’ve noticed they have all these voice lines together and brig gets kinda nervous around him

Lmk what you think (idk if this has been discussed before

[tranquil orbit]

It's definitely possible in the future as they'll be spending a lot of time together as new gen overwatch members

But as for current evidence it's a bit thin

If you're referring to the lyrics interaction i think that's just an instance of brig getting nervous abt her poetry in general

But still theyve met each other and arent completely misaligned on opposite factions so in theory it could happen? I guess

[spare fox]

I'm pretty sure Brig has at least a crush on someone there! Another one I like for her is Pharah but I'd be behind shipping her with Lucio too

She's so cute and Tracer trying to get the dish

I know it's not important to the story but I love little side interactions like that so much

[merry token]

IMO I’d prefer an npc partner like Emily for her

[spare fox]

I'd be ok with that too

[drifting viper]

Did they cancel the pve missions

[dreamy shoal]

Yes

[hushed jetty]

supposedly

[spare fox]

Not officially but it's probably true

[rare chasm]

Overwatch coins Giveaway for season 10!! Dm if interested

[sour raft]

I definitely hear what your saying I’m pretty sure there’s another interaction where brig wants to write lyrics for one of Lucios songs but then says something like “never mind”

They could potentially be love interests but idk

Most likely close friends

[sour raft]

Fr fr

[sour raft]

Who’s Emily? ( I’m still learning the lore)

[merry token]

Tracer’s girlfriend

[spare fox]

Yes she makes appearances in Tracer's comics, Reflections and London Calling

Both are on the official OW media page

[tranquil orbit]

i like that u see some chemistry that could work there - still think we might need to see more

tbh we need to see more of the new gens in their off time in general

we got some snippets of that in the pve comms but something more substantial would be nice

comic would be lovely

[maiden musk]

Best part of the game lore is that one time rein road rapers hog

[dreamy shoal]

I don't see beig x lucio happening bruh. Maybe dva and lucio cuz they have more interactions and he takes her to his charity concerts

[tranquil orbit]

in fairness im not sure thats canon just yet

in universe theyve barely just met in the timeline iirc

tbh the funniest lucio interaction that's canonically happened w the new gens is w zarya when she cooks him for not knowing how to use the gym properly 😭

[verbal aurora]

lucio is him

[worthy rose]

We need more content about the alternate universe because the new dynamics are so interesting

Similar to that one Star event

[leaden galleon]

The Mirrorwatch event gamemode may reveal more about it

That won't be launching until next week.. for some reason

[keen summit]

eh smart marketing. release will come with hype cuz new season and venture, then week passes, new event and probs comic

[keen summit]

• likely so more play clash trial

[coral tapir]

Does anyone know where I can read about the full ow lore?? :3

Sorry if this isn't the right channel to ask 🙏

[peak escarp]

look in the pins on this channel

all the links are there

[coral tapir]

Thanks!!

[woven cobalt]

how

It’s fire

every genji skin ever released has been heat

[worthy rose]

The show has already released ^^

[granite lily]

Does anyone know where I can find more info about the hidden overwatch heroes such as Wilderbeest, sound quake etc

[peak escarp]

there's not much about them

you can check the wiki

!!shitposting @nimble kraken

[twilit nacelle]

@nimble kraken Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[nimble kraken]

sorry

Another cassidy fan!

[tranquil orbit]

idk if it's been spoken abt but this animation style for the new venture short thing is so nice

[hushed jetty]

does mauga have a lobby interaction with venture PLEASE GOD i need it

[tranquil orbit]

theyve has a run in w talon already so it's possible

[hushed jetty]

https://fxtwitter.com/volskayadottxt/status/1780306631860891789?s=46&t=J4AqsOrYt6s_5h5iFrxF8w

gonna post all interactions i find

[peak escarp]

👍

[odd moon]

YO I JUST GOT ON OVERWATCH AFTER A WEEK.
Why are there overwatch skins for characters that are a part of talon, and vise versa

????

What’s the theme here???

[hushed jetty]

mirrorverse

people are swapped

[odd moon]

BRO WTFFF

Idk if this is going to be cool, or trash

[peak escarp]

I think it's a good theme, I just wish it was a little more balanced

[odd moon]

Ya

[peak escarp]

more Overwatch skins

Overwatch Sigma... or Junker Queen, why not

[hushed jetty]

i cant wait to see if the mirrorverse has lore

it better

[odd moon]

And is it just me or are the graphics chanced?

[odd moon]

They brought back old skins for them that were limited mythical

[hushed jetty]

not overwatch themed skins though

we're talking abut for THIS season

https://fxtwitter.com/StarClericINC/status/1780303500963881416

[tranquil orbit]

goated

[fair sierra]

since venture has a voiceline saying "tastes like.... dirt" are we safe to assume they canonically eat dirt and/or rocks now

is it no longer speculated

[sour raft]

Fr

[next jewel]

Venture has a PET ROCK (Battlepass Emote and Victory Pose)

Also they put Winton in the game, so maybe Winton is gonna be canon

[acoustic peak]

How dose Ana's sleep dart work on omnices

[rare trail]

gameplay isnt canon

[acoustic peak]

Ow

[rare trail]

and sleep isnt canon

[acoustic peak]

Dam

[tranquil orbit]

they caught mauga flirting w mercy in the pre-game voice interactions 😭

https://twitter.com/mushroomiiee/status/1780320813452792282

TWICE

[tranquil orbit]

also

https://twitter.com/mushroomiiee/status/1780316946421932510

[whole ether]

Overwatch experts unite I have a question

[hushed jetty]

help????? this is crazy

[hushed jetty]

IVE SEEN IM SO EXCITED

[whole ether]

It’s ow vs talon so wtf is blackwatch and null sector

[hushed jetty]

blackwatch was a subsection of overwatch that dealt with the more illegal things that overwatch could not publically do

like torture, interrogation, etc etc

killings

[tranquil orbit]

led by reaper but also involved cassidy, genji and moira at points

and also widow's husband gerard

[whole ether]

But isn’t Moira talon?

[hushed jetty]

null sector is an omnic extremist group with the goal of liberating omnics, consisting only of ramattra and a looooot of nonsentient robots

[tranquil orbit]

moira was a part of blackwatch for a short time

[hushed jetty]

yes but she was previously blackwatch. blackwatch no longer exists

[whole ether]

Ok

So then what is null sector to talon?

[acoustic peak]

Can't the robot that got killed by widow maker just upload his AI in another body

[whole ether]

Oh I see

[tranquil orbit]

rein asked the same q in pve

the answer is that theres no back up hard drive for most of the omnics

altho he did ask that q for a different omnic the answer is the same

[whole ether]

So good omics and bad ones one either side just like humans

[tranquil orbit]

null sector is an entirely different faction to talon it's worth saying

they have v different goals

atm we know doomfist made some sort of deal w ram

but we dont know the connection

[acoustic peak]

But isn't he like a celebrity he isn't most omnices

[whole ether]

I wish ow would write more lore

I desperately need a tv show or movie

[tranquil orbit]

i think brig said it best: 'Do you keep a back up of your soul just lying around?'

[whole ether]

Also besides genji being hanzos brother what tf does Hanzo even do lol

[tranquil orbit]

it's the equivalent

[whole ether]

Genji fighting shit in ow but Hanzo like 🧍🏽

[tranquil orbit]

my guess is at some point he might join ow for a mission

thatd be dope in the future

[whole ether]

Fr

[tranquil orbit]

not a permanent member tho

[acoustic peak]

Well for a robot that's fighting for the rights and harmony and obviously has enemies I would think so

[tranquil orbit]

idk i just think the thought of doing that is a bit discomforting

[whole ether]

Then also kiriko getting thrown in outta nowhere with what purpose

[tranquil orbit]

like if u had the option to keep frozen clones of yourself

would u do it?

the answer isnt an automatic yes

[acoustic peak]

Hell ya

[tranquil orbit]

thats your opinion tho

[acoustic peak]

Bruh imagin that omnic going on air one day later flipping off widow maker

[whole ether]

Atm soldier and reaper are still in hiding right?

When is ow gonna move this story forward already

[tranquil orbit]

reaper isnt rly in hiding outside of the fact that talon agents cant rly be in public like that

[merry token]

Fighting null sector robots with Kiriko

In a short story

[whole ether]

Ah

[merry token]

They’re not in a specific faction

[tranquil orbit]

we ask the same thing like every other week

[merry token]

Like sojourn

[whole ether]

Sad fr it has so much potential

[tranquil orbit]

sojourn id say is v much closer to being overwatch

[whole ether]

Fr

[tranquil orbit]

i know she said she's leaving after the null sector stuff

but realistically i cant see it happening

[merry token]

Yeah but I’m not allowed to say she’s a apart of ow 😔

[whole ether]

Fr

[tranquil orbit]

she BASICALLY is tho

[whole ether]

I want sym to join ow 😣

[tranquil orbit]

i cant rly see that happening tbh

but lw in the atlantic arcology

v likely

[whole ether]

And stop believing the lies of vishkar

[acoustic peak]

Who is mauga working for

[tranquil orbit]

talon but he's a bit more of a free spirit agent

[acoustic peak]

Because he isn't really in talen

[tranquil orbit]

doomfist kinda lets him do what he wants

[hushed jetty]

he's in talon

[whole ether]

Lose cannon

[hushed jetty]

he's a mercenary but he's in talon

[tranquil orbit]

i think the story behind it is that they drew in a fight

[whole ether]

Bap left talon right

[tranquil orbit]

doomfist respects him a lot even tho he barely follows orders

[acoustic peak]

Ther is a voice line with sombra wher she said he destroyed the server room

Soo many neither

[tranquil orbit]

for now 👀

[whole ether]

What about Ashe where does she stand

[tranquil orbit]

i cant wait for the plot detail when they reveal that he used to be part of talon to the rest of the cast

[acoustic peak]

Outlaw

[tranquil orbit]

it's redacted in baptiste's form

[acoustic peak]

Just like soulfier

[whole ether]

Cassidy doesn’t come across as the type to fight evil from the sake of peace and justice but only doing it to avoid jail lol

[tranquil orbit]

that was his previous motivation

but rn i think it's safe to say he's changed

he recruited all the new gen members

and he's supposed to be a leader of some kind so yk

[whole ether]

Cassidy a good boy 😣

[tranquil orbit]

yh thats why we gotta see that toxic 2nd reunion w ashe

tbh cassidy gives me serious gambit vibes w how theyve written him at times

in terms of his character not the powers

[whole ether]

Yeah

I feel like Ashe is too self centered to care about anything else lol

[tranquil orbit]

https://twitter.com/nihilmachina/status/1780270113964556563

THERES A CONSPIRACY HAPPENING

[whole ether]

So Orisa in numbani protecting shit dva defending Korea the junkers doing there own shit so what’s with wrecking ball and Zarya

Also wtf is with illari

[tranquil orbit]

currently dva and zarya have both been recruited in ow to fight null sector

[hushed jetty]

we dont know yet

[tranquil orbit]

idt theyve said exactly whats going to happen once it's over but most liekly theyll stay

[hushed jetty]

wrecking ball is with jq i believe

[whole ether]

Ok

[tranquil orbit]

illari got some sauce going on the best theory ive heard is that she gets indoctrinated into talon

[whole ether]

Dang

Hmm I feel like talon would use her tragic story to persuade her

Lol

[tranquil orbit]

doomfist becoming an adoptive father figure to her magneto style is my current guesswork

"only through conflict do we evolve"

[whole ether]

Definitely can see talon telling illari she can “make things right”

[tranquil orbit]

im just saying if theres anyone whod convince her to control her powers it's him

[whole ether]

I can see that

Reaper switched sides right

But I feel like it was only for his own agenda not cause he supports what talon does

[tranquil orbit]

i dont know the specifics as well but i think the general idea w reaper rn is that he's desperate

he has literally nowhere else to go

only moira understands how his new body works

and his family hate him

[whole ether]

Seems like soldier a little lost too

Sad for reaper 😔

I want soldier to come back to ow 😔

[merry token]

I don’t think they hate him

What

His wife and kid prob just think he’s dead

[whole ether]

I want to see more characters in ow lore to become playable heros instead of making up new shit with no context or relation to the current story

[tranquil orbit]

Im going off the sombra exchange which tbf we dk if it's 100% canon

But when she asks him if he wanrs to know what Martina's been up to

Reaper says hed be surprised if she didnt try to kill him

Acc wait that one mightve been w widow

I cant remember

Bht the point still stands

[worthy rose]

@worthy rose you would ig

[fleet crane]

guys which server i can ask my question

[hushed jetty]

how are we supposed to answer that if we dont know what the wuestion is

[fleet crane]

Hi, yesterday you got the ranked reward. But I only got my player titles. Otherwise, you also got ranked points for the weapons, but I didn't get them, it's with everyone that you only got player titles

[hushed jetty]

mauga has a fav animal interaction now

i was really hoping he'd say killer whale but this is ok too

freaky but ok

lifeweaver doesnt seem to have one? or if he does it doesnt wanna play

[viral tendon]

Aww :( what would Lifeweavers fav animal be?

[hushed jetty]

something elegant

a bird of paradise perhaps

[west bay]

Is it true that overwatch 2 takes place in 2077?

[hushed jetty]

we dont know what year it is

thats just the general community consensus. that or 2078/9

closest we can get is the fact junkrat was born during a leap year and is 27, which would suggest we're in maybe 2075, 2079, or 2084

wait no im stupid

ok there we go

[golden oak]

I’d say deer because the antlers look like tree branches

[hushed jetty]

deerweaver wins again

[golden oak]

I think there was a deer in his origin story also

[west bay]

The middle point is the answer in most cases so I guess we are in 2079

[hushed jetty]

still not confirmed but thats not a bad number to roll with

the devs have been Very good at avoiding telling us what year it is lol

any dates are either excluding the year or are just in the form of "X years ago"

[golden oak]

Yeah

[hushed jetty]

he think he a disney princess

[golden oak]

He kinda is

[hushed jetty]

tru

Mauga: "Admit it spider, you think I'm alright."
Widow: "Well, you are loud, boorish, and annoying..."
Mauga: "...but?"
Widow: "I was done talking."

helpppp
leave my boy alone

[jagged mortar]

I love mauga interactions

there's always something fun

[golden oak]

Gerard didn’t die for this

[hushed jetty]

mauga has like a billion interactions i love it

[golden oak]

Idk if anyone sent this already

[hushed jetty]

ITS SO FUNNY

he needs to RELAX

the way he says doctor is insane

i cant tell if he says it like that bc he's still trying to rizz her or because he dropped his charismatic act

[golden oak]

Also his enhancements were from talon and they did it to save his life

Weaponising wasn’t the purpose

[hushed jetty]

from the deepsea raiders actually

[golden oak]

Also the hypocrisy, she did the same to genji

I’m sorry but mercy is so stuck up sometimes

[hushed jetty]

to be fair she was Forced to do that to genji

[golden oak]

Was she

What about conscience clause
Pretty sure they could find another doctor

She did it to save his life also

So shouldn’t be judging mauga for getting enhanced

[golden oak]

We don’t even know if they had Mauga’s consent for it

[hushed jetty]

well she objected to the way genji was Coerced into accepting the enhancements in exchange for joining blackwatch but she was forced to do the stuff anyway

[golden oak]

If she valued her morals so much she would just refuse and leave

[hushed jetty]

well i guess she wanted to save his life i suppose

[hushed jetty]

i imagine not bc bro was honest to god knocked out

[golden oak]

Yeah which makes it even worse to judge him for something he didn’t consent to

[hushed jetty]

i wonder if he's mad about it

bc that's kinda fucked up

[golden oak]

He choked that doctor

When he woke up

So

What do you think

[hushed jetty]

ok but did he Actually do that or was it metaphorical

[golden oak]

He did

[hushed jetty]

bc he also had the gloves on the second he woke up in the video but i dont know why he wouldve had them on all of a sudden

[golden oak]

Ask someone who had medical procedures done on them without their consent, it can really mess you up

[hushed jetty]

especially since it led to him becoming this crazy medical anomaly and having him on the edge of death all the time bc his hearts could barely keep up with how strong he was getting

and he was getting strong because of the hearts so its just a vicious cycle

[golden oak]

Besides, dude killed a lot of people and enjoyed it (which might be caused by that traumatic experience but still) and the thing that puts her off was that he had enhancements done????

That he didn’t ask for

[hushed jetty]

well does she Know about that, in this scenario

[golden oak]

If she don’t know why is she assuming

[hushed jetty]

i imagine his enhancements are public info if he's so famous in samoa (and besides its a pretty crazy thing to have two hearts so im sure the news got around)

[hushed jetty]

i mean does she know about his. sadistic tendencies

[golden oak]

Still bad to assume especially in his case

Just shows her ignorance

[hushed jetty]

she's not exactly wrong though

he is weaponizing his enhancements. he's weaponized the strength he got from them and whatnot

and he does so voluntarily

[golden oak]

I mean he went crazy after he got them tho

She definitely has some superiority complex tho

[hushed jetty]

true though not particularly an excuse

[hushed jetty]

i dont know enough abt mercy to confirm nor deny this 😭 although in some of her media it certainly comes off that way

this sort of savior mentality - i dont know if they intended that ot it was just bad writing though

[golden oak]

She literally dresses herself up as an angel, gives people advice that no one asked for, gives moral lessons no one asked for

[hushed jetty]

i dont have a source for this but iirc the valkyrie suit aas not designed for her to wear anyway

she just ended up wearing it

[golden oak]

It was 💀

[hushed jetty]

damn. i lied then

[golden oak]

She designed it herself, torb built it

No one else except her wears that suit

[hushed jetty]

well i know that but did she Build it for herself

ig it doesnt matter much

[golden oak]

Yeah to make her job easier

She still says stuff like “angel at your shoulder” etc

[hushed jetty]

i see your point

[fair sierra]

the fact that you may be able to imply that venture eats dirt from their voicelines makes me so happy

[tranquil orbit]

Mercy's a bit of a weird one because i feel like altho she clearly didnt want to do the procedure on genji at the time

Im not sure she regrets it rn?

[tacit yoke]

does widow have natural black hair or blonde or brown

[native gulch]

Pretty sure she’s naturally blonde

[viral tendon]

In her wedding photo spray she has dark hair?

[native gulch]

Isn’t that in black and white for some reason? I’m judging one of the skins which iirc is just her but younger

[tacit yoke]

i was gonna say r u sure cuz I saw black hair

her human versions have many colors i am confusion

[peak escarp]

it's not black and white

[native gulch]

Mm.

[peak escarp]

her natural hair colour is black/dark

[tacit yoke]

wow she so pretty

[peak escarp]

there is no skin that's just younger Widowmaker

Zarya has one

[golden oak]

Talon?

I think its the youngest there is

[peak escarp]

I thought you meant pre-Talon

also she has dark hair in that one too

[golden oak]

Btw Why she has weird skin and hair Color in ow skin

[peak escarp]

weird how?

[golden oak]

Hair is lighter

[golden oak]

And Skin I guess she’s just naturally pink like that

[peak escarp]

slightly

it could be the lighting, Gibraltar has bright sunlight

[golden oak]

I really wanna see it in game more, why it has to be the last tier 😭

[tacit yoke]

right thats what Im saying

I need all her skins neow

ghostly bride will be back trust

[golden oak]

No, it’s a bp skin

[tacit yoke]

they def will in the future they brought back mythics

if anything we'll get a recolor

[golden oak]

Copium

[half pelican]

Pls mercy is more than what youre saying she is 😭 she made the suit yes but the title of being called an angel wasn’t on her it was the people who saw her, and she’s usually trying her best when giving that advice i mean if your work got stolen and used in your friends weapon i’d be upset too 😭 but the savior mentality i think is more since she couldnt save her parents she tries to save others instead, thats half of why she continues to work in my op

sorry tism got a whole of me i rambled a little

[golden oak]

She clings to that angel persona (which she came up with), even calls herself an angel often
Also tries to moralise every person she mets

[tacit yoke]

@golden oak is venture transgender cuz the banner they got

[peak escarp]

nonbinary is under the trans umbrella

because nonbinary people don't identify with the gender they were assigned at birth

[tacit yoke]

Ooo thx

[tranquil orbit]

Tbf all the bp skins up to s4 are now available to buy

I'd assume it's the same for the all others eventually as time goes on

[golden oak]

No?

[tranquil orbit]

Yep

U can buy tracer synthwave for example

W gold credits

[golden oak]

Synthwave was always shop

[tranquil orbit]

Wait was it?

My bad

[golden oak]

Yeah, it came around pride event

[tacit yoke]

O one more question do you know when skins start costing tokens instead of coins after they appear in shop (my sister gonna kill me if I put more money in this game)

[tranquil orbit]

Still i think it's not crazy to think theyll eventually be available w time

[tranquil orbit]

Idt they will it's only gold coins for ow2 stuff

[golden oak]

S4 had space themed skins and all bp skins (except LW) we’re on theme

[tranquil orbit]

And honestly spending money on skins isnt worth it 😭

[tacit yoke]

well to me it is cuz I like to collect

i bought cupid hanzo so fast

best 20$ spent

[tranquil orbit]

I hope your pockets are deep then 😭

I guess yur name is literally money tho

So that checks

[tacit yoke]

I worked aand saved for a bit I just gotta start being more responsible for now on lol

[tacit yoke]

yea thats why I put it like that hehe

[tranquil orbit]

But yh honestly ppl can say what they like but it's not crazy to think basically all skins will be available at some point apart from event ones

Or charity ones like pink mercy

Gatekeeping skins of all things is mad 💀

[tacit yoke]

real af I hate that.. I think bp skins will be back eventually too

[dawn topaz]

I mean they could theoretically do another collab with breast cancer research for pink mercy

[tranquil orbit]

True

Altho i feel like theyd use the ow2 model for it

A bit like how they redid the diablo sombra

Or the starcraft rein

[tacit yoke]

I want the cowboy bebop skins and past kpop skins but those probably are gone gone I fear

fml

[tranquil orbit]

Yh those idt are coming back sadly

Events are supposed to be just events

[dawn topaz]

Man i hate exclusivity and fomo...

and 20$ skins

[tranquil orbit]

Unfortunately the fomo is what gets most ppl to buy the event skins 😭

Predatory

[tacit yoke]

its literally disgusting

[dawn topaz]

unfortunately we have normalized those things

[tacit yoke]

the mythic skins being priced like a gacha mobile game has me in a chokehold

[dawn topaz]

every game does it

[tacit yoke]

i was gonna get them all

[tacit yoke]

gross af

[jovial cairn]

But Blizzard puts it a step further with the prize

[dawn topaz]

not really, multiversus also has 20$ skins

fortnite probably has too idk

[jovial cairn]

They literally added a new in-game currency

Why couldn't they just kept premium? let alone 1 currency

[tranquil orbit]

Yh honestly blizzard is mostly just up to standard

[jovial cairn]

First season I ain't getting the bp

[tranquil orbit]

Tbh theyve gone at least 1 step in the right direction by giving u basically 60% of the next battlepass by buying 1

[dawn topaz]

Honestly I agree with this...but if they put the mythics under ow coins, and then tried to have you unlock 1 per pass

[tranquil orbit]

But still some of the stuff these lot have done is insane 💀

[dawn topaz]

they'd give you 7 passes worth of coins

[tranquil orbit]

Crazy part is that this is where all the resources went

Off the lore and into this 😭

All the talented artists and whatnot getting wasted on fomo cash

[dawn topaz]

so there wasn't really any way to let players get 1 mythic per pass without it being an exclusive currency

except maybe, a token to unlock 1 mythic skin

[tranquil orbit]

I think u pretty much still do get 1 mythic per bp

[dawn topaz]

but I'd argue the currency is a bit more flexible as you can save them up instead of getting the levels for a mythical

[dawn topaz]

yeah,

[tranquil orbit]

I just like u can get some old ones

Like i missed the jq one

So dope

Also means u can acc pick and choose for characters u acc play

[dawn topaz]

say you buy 1 mythic skin at 50 prisms, you can either use the other 30 of the pass to get the levels (customizations), or save them up for another mythic

[tranquil orbit]

Yhhh

Altho they were sneaky and i think deliberately put the cooler cosmetics at higher tiers

Cant ever have anything nice 😭

[dawn topaz]

2 passes give you 3 mythics and 10 prisms to spare

[jovial cairn]

one small step out of millions

Blizzard fucked up way too much

When they "fix" one problem, 5 more problems appear

Lead developpers are barely listening to their community, especially the ones who truly wants to figure out some solutions to problems

[tacit yoke]

I didnt know this

[tacit yoke]

they are getting cancelled on twitter every other week they have other things to worry about

this company always gettin dragged by their own community

the ow fanpages be the biggest haters 🤣

[jovial cairn]

And for a LOT of good reasons

Some minor, but a lot of them being major problems

[tacit yoke]

Ye right now they under heat for racism

I bet this like the 10th allegation

[jovial cairn]

10.. to the power of 3

I bet they're creating more problems on purpose so that people would focus on them instead of the serious allegations

[tacit yoke]

im not a d-rider but if you still play the game but hate the people who make it then reevaluate urself js

[jovial cairn]

Depends

do you play seriously

or to troll

I've basically stopped carring and now I'm basically trolling

[dawn topaz]

to be fair the racism allegations are nothing more than people just trying to find stuff to complain about

boo hoo

there was an oversight with a spray

[jovial cairn]

Oh yeah, white sojourn LMAO

[dawn topaz]

it's especially funny how the complaints are only about recent sprays when it's not uncommon for characters to have lighter skin on their sprays

mauga has one

venture has one

but nope

widow and sombra are being complained about

because the spray is washed out and lighter

[jovial cairn]

I don't think anyone complained about widow cuz she,s LITERALLY white

[dawn topaz]

Yeah I meant that it's the widow and sombra spray

[jovial cairn]

oxygen depreived so do say

[dawn topaz]

but even then widow is VERY white in that

unlike the skin itself which is more naturally colored

[jovial cairn]

I didn't see them just yet but ehh

however that won't change the fact that Blizzard did some pretty nasty stuffs, A LOT

[tacit yoke]

widow a yt woman I realized they are just tryna find every lil thing to bash the creators

I said its the ow fanpages like how you play this game daily and praying and hoping for its downfall weirdo

[tacit yoke]

also but how they done fuck this up

[tacit yoke]

right now their biggest issue is pharahs va I hear

[jovial cairn]

They done fucked up once again

At this point anyone who's defending Blizzard are not real people

[leaden galleon]

Sounds like your gameplay is rubbing off on how you're typing

[jovial cairn]

What's that suppose to mean?

[peak escarp]

stick to lore discussion please

discussion of dev controversy can go in #overwatch or #overwatch-serious

[golden oak]

Why venture has beef with mauga
I mean they’re fighting talon a lot but has specific voice lines with mauga mostly

[peak escarp]

Talon has been stealing artefacts

and Mauga is the biggest Talon bully

[golden oak]

Did we get info how old is venture?

[rare trail]

26 iirc

ages are on the official site

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/venture/

[grand wedge]

So they joined the Wayfinders 10 years ago, so before Overwatch was shutdown

[hushed jetty]

yup

[ruby ridge]

They joined when they were 16???

[merry mason]

I’m glad that the talon excavation in illios is being brought up again. With this and the rats’ treasure being brought up again, it seems they are finally paying off their set ups

[dawn topaz]

Is it to be assumed that in the mirrorwatch universe, ramattra is a monk instead?

[golden oak]

Yeah

Zen is in null sector

[tranquil orbit]

I heard a cool headcanon that ram took mondatta's place

And mightve even been killed by ana

Hence the lack of skin (likely copium for all the ram fans out there)

[golden oak]

Who’s that friend? Akande?

[tranquil orbit]

Likely

[hushed jetty]

no she's calling "innovation" and "imagination" her old friends

[dawn topaz]

what kind of names are those

[tranquil orbit]

Ohhhh

The subtitles were a bit misleading cos normally those get capitalised 😭

[tranquil orbit]

Just personification thats all

It's just an underhanded response to mercy

[sour raft]

Would all omnics have the same birthday if they all were technically “born” when (forgot what her name was) but the robot that created the iris gave them consciousness making them technically giving them free thinking capabilities or would their birthday be when they were manufactured

These are the real questions

[rare trail]

seems like they just go by manufacturing date

[hushed jetty]

ramattra and zenyatta have birthdays, so it seems to be manufacturing date

[rare trail]

and like orisa goes by when she got like upgraded

[sour raft]

True but overwatch lore has been known to switch right?

[rare trail]

yeah there are retcons

[sour raft]

Right but I think that different

Bc according to one of the shorts they were like a hive mind of robots and then all of the sudden they became conscious

[rare trail]

yeah

[sour raft]

What was the robot that made the iris again?

[rare trail]

aurora

[sour raft]

Thx

Still learning the lore a bit but for some reason it really sticks out to me

Also speaking of birthdays all the age gaps and stuff don’t like up on a timeline with the lore

[rare trail]

wdym

[sour raft]

Like how kiri grew up with hanzo and genji

[rare trail]

the only age that kinda doesnt add up is kiris but theres probably an explanation for that

[sour raft]

Or

Let me find it

[rare trail]

and kiri didnt grow up with hanzo and genji they were always shown to be very different ages

like she was always a lot younger than the other two

[sour raft]

Idk why everyone says they do

[rare trail]

21 is too young based off stuff we know about the timeline but given the fact they havent changed it probably means theres some kitsune magic keeping her young

[sour raft]

Fr

It regulates her blood sugar right too

Lmao

[rare trail]

whar

???

[sour raft]

😭

In the short

[rare trail]

oh

because she ate donuts??

[sour raft]

No she literally says it

I will find you the time stamp if you don’t believe me

[sour raft]

Yeah she was casually about to down 36 donuts for dinner

[sour raft]

2:20

The timestamp is 2:20

[sour raft]

^

[rare trail]

thats a pretty weird line

given like the kitsune doesnt help her fight or block bullets later that short

ig like she kinda uses it at the end when it like gives her and the other two like a stamina boost?

[languid arrow]

i love how they made it so widow has the lost eye and ana has hers

[sullen girder]

You know I thought I wanted a talon Winston but now that I think about it, wouldn’t it be better if he was a junker instead? You know like Hammond?

[sour raft]

Yo very valid point

Wait would that make ball Winston

[sour raft]

Like srsly very valid point

[sullen girder]

Right, like I didn’t think about the actual lore between him and ball until now. They are from the same place and yet they go different paths and I thought, what if they paths they chose were reversed

And shouldn’t Mei be a junker in this universe? I mean in the cinematic, she made her gun out of household items

[rare trail]

mei isnt exactly like an anti junker

like winston makes sense because like him and hammond

and sym is like super orderly and junkers are not that

but mei and junkers are just kinda unrelated

[tranquil orbit]

Mirror universe mei likely didnt get put into cryo

Or maybe she was one of the ones who didnt make it

Dark thoughts

[merry mason]

Genii is unrelated to junksers and. He got a skin

[tranquil orbit]

I saw some cool art of him holding a sign saying will scrap omnics for food

Unofficial but a cool headcanon that he became a bounty hunter of sorts

Which i think makes sense

As it completely clashes w genjis existing ideals

[leaden galleon]

I like to imagine Mirrored Mei as a scientist @ Lucheng

We know after the Thoughtless Gods story that they aren't exactly clean

[golden oak]

Ohhh I understood it as my old friend’s imagination and innovation

[fair sierra]

important lore question

does venture say awesome sauce?

[spare fox]

I'm sure they do

you could probably ask the writers on twitter that seems like the kind of thing they'd answer

[golden oak]

Tastes like… dirt

[nimble jetty]

Who has the best Gyat in overwatch?

Me personally widowmaker

[full acorn]

Ok… fare answer but I have to go with mercy.

[nimble jetty]

Have u seen the early season widow special bug

[full acorn]

No…….

[nimble jetty]

Then u haven’t been playing long enough to have a opinion so be quite while the big dawgs tsk

[full acorn]

Hahah. That’s funny to me because I have the most extensive knowledge of overwatch on this planet please speak with respect to me boy

[nimble jetty]

But u don’t know the widow glitch don’t call your self an expert when u don’t know that don’t call me boy I would cook you in a 1v1 ur prolly a junk main

🤣

[full acorn]

Ok… now you have crossed the line. Don’t make me cook you

[nimble jetty]

is this ur rank noob

[full acorn]

Hahahhahahah

Curious

[nimble jetty]

U have no game sense and u prolly have a mercy body pillow while mine is the luscious widow pillow

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[fair sierra]

rein

without a foubt

[patent kayak]

Winston

[native gulch]

Reminder that this is not horny jail. I recommend you go there

[golden oak]

Wouldn’t doom’s spine get messed up from that uneven distribution of mass caused by having a huge heavy gauntlet on just one side

[peak escarp]

maybe he works out his other arm to balance it out

or he just doesn't wear it long enough to cause permanent harm

[golden oak]

The latter probably

[hushed jetty]

https://x.com/shodandbg/status/1781048408285045187?s=46&t=J4AqsOrYt6s_5h5iFrxF8w

Chris Bauza (@ShodanDBG) on X

@LCapussi @OW2voicelines @mushroomiiee Nice! Oh and to add to it: Widow in the Captain Lacroix skin has a unique elim voiceline against Tracer!!

She says: “Ramattra wanted peace, you monster!”

Twitter · Apr 18, 2024, 7:53 PM

so ramattra is swapped with mondatta, not zen

[opaque tundra]

that was surreal to hear lol

[hearty yarrow]

made a meme abt this just realized there aint nowhere to post it for me here lol

[sullen girder]

Kinda insane that talon tracer, talon mercy and ow doomfist has a skin description but not all the other talon/reverse skins

[heavy talon]

+rep @hushed lake

[rich echo]

do anyone know where i can find a place that list every lore thing from ow

[viral tendon]

Maybe the overwatch wikipedia

[spare fox]

The pins on this channel

[rich echo]

yo thanks you two

[wide fossil]

What’s venture’s real name

[merry token]

Sloan Cameron

[hushed jetty]

https://fxtwitter.com/LCapussi/status/1781126022047342861

more mauga lore

vishkar wants his ass

[wide fossil]

Yeah calling them venture is better

[zenith moth]

Is it really Sloan Cameron?

Dam, hardcore

[sonic kraken]

sigma has the best lore

i will die behind this opinion

[round jasper]

" gravity is a harness, I have harnessed the harness" -sigma

[sonic kraken]

wait if sigma witnessed everything in the universe has he seen billie eilish naked

[round jasper]

Holy shit your onto something

[sonic kraken]

hes seen diddy crimes

[spare fox]

Wowow that spawn room takes me back

[junior notch]

how come in the game d.va can stand as close to her bomb but in the animation she cant?

[dry valve]

Game mechanics vs animation.

i.e, the rule of cool.

[spare fox]

Game interactions aren't canon. She doesn't have dozens of hundreds of mechs at her disposal at all times, like how Junkrat instantly gets a new tire on his back after exploding one, or how Rein for some reason can't just do multiple earthshatters in a row

[golden oak]

So he stole something from them too? 👀

[hushed jetty]

presumably he did something to them yeah

i wouldnt be surprised if he stole something

[dawn topaz]

I wonder what the story of mirrorverse genji is

[keen summit]

nah, hes hella surface level atm

[spare fox]

LW developed biolight while under Vishkar. Vishkar sees this as their (intellectual) property to profit off of. LW isn't having any of that so is on the run from Vishkar who views the biolight as stolen property

It's actually an issue today with companies having contractual loopholes that state legally anything you develop while working for them is theirs. Like if you're a programmer and create a new app, they can claim it 100% as theirs even if you did it in your free time at home

[golden oak]

I’m talking about mauga 😭

[spare fox]

Oop my bad

[tranquil orbit]

Why have they been going in w these new mauga interactions 😭

Maybe it's just me but i rly like how theyve written these

[hushed jetty]

same, theyre interesting

[tranquil orbit]

Ig theyve had mauga in the locker for a while tho

So theyve had time to work his character out

[hushed jetty]

i swear every time i hear a new mauga reaction i have to go "why the hell would he say that" it's so funny

why did he feel the need

[peak escarp]

this is the same reason that Vishkar claims the sonic tech that Benicio Correio dos Santos developed privately while working for them

[golden oak]

Btw is lucios dad alive

[peak escarp]

yes

in the files from Invasion there's a letter from him thanking Overwatch for helping his son

signed Benicio Correia dos Santos

that's how we know his name

[tranquil orbit]

He's a bit of an out of pocket kinda guy

I love it sm 😭

[round flare]

Winton made overwatch?

[keen summit]

no.

[hushed jetty]

not the Original

but he set off the recall that "created" the newer version after the original was shut down

[keen summit]

im kinda sad btw venture didnt get a real origin story

the adventures with venture thing ig is supposed to be it but eh

[hushed jetty]

its cute but doesnt tell us like. anything about them

only that they fought talon for the anubis relic

[keen summit]

we dont even know what the relic is im pretty sure

[hushed jetty]

well it Looks like anubis so im assuming its related

[keen summit]

yeah read their bio but even there not mentioned

just the same mystery WE'VE BEEN ASKING

what is talon looking for in these ruins

like yes blizz we have been speculating that illios ruins had something they were searching for, FOR YEARS

[hushed jetty]

someone pointed out that the conspiracy eye was in their video

i have some friends who speculate that anubis itself might be behind the conspiracy

[keen summit]

yeah, but what exactly

[hushed jetty]

which would be fucking insane

[keen summit]

hm lemme think for a bit

i mean, ive had 1 idea

but its baseless rn, but i thought off that what if its not anubis, but instead its Osiris

a god AI who became sentient with the awakening

[hushed jetty]

that would be interesting

i suppose its not entirely impossible for the god ais to have been affected by the awakening

[keen summit]

so it could also be called Os-iris, as osiris was supposed to be the "resurrected king"

[keen summit]

its believed they were destroyed, but we dont know for sure

could even be that it is a fragment of anubis

osiris and anubis are also very similair

Osiris is the god of the dead, while anubis of the underworld and judging the souls of the dead (and alive)

and not all god ais were outright bad either

and during the awakening not all omnics became some friendly version, lots also kept fighting

so it could be anubis was too awakened, but as their goal stayed the same they kept going

i just really want them to touch on this again

from what i can gather from the research tho it seems to be worshipped once, by omnics as its omnic text

HOWEVER, it does seem where it was located was at anubis site as the look here is very similair to where venture ended up in their trailer

or humans? so huh did humans worship this artifact?

but does seem to be at holding facility, so maybe a fragment of anubis is in there that was used for research?

[golden oak]

I wish symm was crazier in her junker voice lines

[wary root]

With PVE and storyline being scrapped.
I seem to have so many question at what exactly happened at the very of invasion.
Sombra and widow go to zenyata.
What confuses me more is on overwatchwiki it says that Zenyata with his fellow Talon members battle overwatch at petra.

This is surprising to me. I thought zen would be on overwatch’s side in this war.

Anyone have any idea about what happens in the lore there?

[keen summit]

what?

yeah no thats just fake mate

we dont even know if a battle happened at petra at all

[peak escarp]

the wiki can be edited by anyone

they saw Venture's gameplay trailer and added it to the wiki as lore

[keen summit]

soon ill go on and say "mauga decided to go and do good acts for the people of Japan because he actually loves anime"

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta is not with Talon at all

[keen summit]

hes with nobody atm

[keen summit]

and again, i dont know how many times i need to say this but the storyline isnt officially scrapped

its just laid off for this year, we knew this already at blizzcon

they said at blizzcon no new pve content next (aka this year now) year

[peak escarp]

incorrect

they did not say "no new PvE next year" at Blizzcon

pve was barely mentioned

all they said was "we have something coming but we aren't talking about it yet"

[tranquil orbit]

Chances are there might be something salvaged from the 2nd set

But dont get hopes up is the general feeling and for good reason

[hushed jetty]

iirc one of the 2nd set of missions was mostly done

[tranquil orbit]

The cinematics definitely were

[hushed jetty]

and weve seen clips of several cutscenes already

[tranquil orbit]

Theyve been done since 2020 at least

But the gameplay mightve not been done and they might not even bother because all it does is bring them negative publicity

The cinematics on the other hand 👀

Also i kinda hope they dont blow the sombra conspiracy thing too far

Like i hope it's just mainly abt who caused the explosion at the ow hq when reyes and jack were fighting

And not like "oooh it was all an inside job"

I feel like it defeats the purpose of the original story like the og overwatch failed for so many reasons

[hushed jetty]

its gonna be mor ethan just the explosion, its also abt the downfall of overwatch as a whole

this is known iirc

[tranquil orbit]

I havent read that new sombra story in detail

But i hope they dont take it too far

It's lazy and undermines the failures of the older characters if done incorrectly

[hushed jetty]

i think its a bit of both
both outside interference and the failures kf jack and gabe

[tranquil orbit]

Still i think when we start getting into outside interference im afraid it's a result of ppl not allowing their characters to be imperfect

And a lot of the old guard had their issues not just jack and reyes

I just dont want that to be overshadowed by an inside job revelation

Or it could just be sombra using soldier as she always does

[tranquil orbit]

I much prefer this 😭

[peak escarp]

Overwatch was already being investigated before the explosion

[tranquil orbit]

Wait i dont see how thats relevant tho

[peak escarp]

you said it would undermine the failures of the old guard

[tranquil orbit]

Yes which it would because as soon as u start introducing an inside job the weight of responsibility shifts from the characters more towards an outside force

[peak escarp]

but the old guard was already being investigated before the conspiracy stepped in

[tranquil orbit]

Imo the timeline here doesnt rly matter

It's a narrative choice

Which could be alright

As long as they dont take it too extreme

Tbh i kinda doubt theyve even planned so far the game characters come first

Plot points like these get tied up way later when they need to be

For now it'll be open ended

[wary root]

There were many replies so i will just reply to the original message😂

Thank you all for answers and clarification🙏🏻
Do you think zen would put up a fight against sombra and widow and the talon team or would he comply and go with them?

[tranquil orbit]

Lowkey i think zen could kick ass if he wanted to

But i think we know genji comes and saves him

Or what looks like it from a cinematic snippet

[wary root]

I know from the invasion plotline that genji was saying he wants to go see master zenyata again.
But does he actually get there in time do we know?

[tranquil orbit]

Theres a cinematic snippet

[keen summit]

well we kinda see that he did stand up when it happened

[tranquil orbit]

I'll try find

[keen summit]

there is absolutely no reason to think that tho

i hear lots thinking that, but theres no reason for us to do so

his model, isnt special. we have seen multiple of his type getting killed off like its nothing, hell widow killed one of them

and before u say "shambali magic" or sum, then why wouldnt mondatta have that?

[tranquil orbit]

https://images.app.goo.gl/5KtA3oEen5cis77NA

[tranquil orbit]

Mondatta was an absolute pacifist

Iirc