hes never had a chance to
#lore-discussion
rare trail
hushed jetty
he hasnt used them in lore bc in lore we have seem him once
rare trail
what?
hushed jetty
and it was canonically like 10 years ago
rare trail
im not saying he can open black holes
hushed jetty
we have no idea what he's capable of in current day
rare trail
errrm twice he was in mauga origin for like 2 secs
hushed jetty
does NAWT count
rare trail
or thrice he was in code of violence
hushed jetty
im referring to cov yes
hushed jetty
what does he do in his origin story w his powers
wait im illiterate
no origin story doesnt count. every hero gets one of those
rare trail
no origin story doesnt count. every hero gets one of those
hanzo lucio
hushed jetty
thatd be like saying we've seen illari in lore and pointing at her origin story. it doesnt count
rare trail
pharah
hushed jetty
hanzo lucio
every non launch hero
livid tangle
What is Cannon and lore accurate about sigma
split geyser
yeah im not sure what they on about
hushed jetty
What is Cannon and lore accurate about sigma
we dont know! thats the problem
we know his orbs exist i guess, and he can make them float
thats about it
hushed jetty
idk if its a Literal black hole
split geyser
it appears to be one
livid tangle
They really need to expand on his lore like big time
broken stag
tf does talon do
rose dagger
be evil idfk
past copper
tf does talon do
Talon is an international terrorist organization formed by a number of individuals out for their own goals and ideals. Their current objective under Doomfist is to enact a global war to wean the world of the weak so that the strong who survive can rise up to rebuild the world
Basically, destroy the world to rebuild it for a newer and better generation
golden oak
Do people think widow was trained by Ana because in her interaction with Ashe she says she was “trained by the best”? 😭
twilit patrol
peak escarp
Do people think widow was trained by Ana because in her interaction with Ashe sh...
no they think it because of some fanart of Ana training Amelie that everyone seems to mistake for canon art
golden oak
no they think it because of some fanart of Ana training Amelie that everyone see...
Well someone had to get the idea for that fanart from somewhere
golden oak
Oh
spare fox
Does make me wonder
- Who "the best" was who trained Widow? (I know it wasn't Ana) and
- If Widow knows if Ana survived. I assume Widow assumes she killed Ana but...
peak escarp
prime quiver
Who is the most lore accurate character?
charred garden
Who is the most lore accurate character?
probably omen or skye
broken stag
Talon is an international terrorist organization formed by a number of individua...
but how
i get doomfist wants war but what is he doing about it
oak atlas
anyone els think sigma is actually a femboy?
plush elm
is it true that reaper used to be a femboy? like im pretty sure it is
onyx isle
Reaper and soldier were doing it on the down low, I’m sorry I don’t make the rules
peak escarp
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
charred garden
oopsie
past copper
i get doomfist wants war but what is he doing about it
As far as anyone can assume. He made an alliance with Ramattra just before his arrest by Overwatch
So Null Sector is giving Talon the war that Doomfist has wanted
But we don't know for sure or what Doomfist offered in return for Ramattra's assistance
Though, it clearly isn't an alliance built on trust given Reaper, Sombra, and Mauga's actions
worthy rose
Is it true venture is the first non binary hero?
rare trail
Who is the most lore accurate character?
wdym
like what character has all canon abilities?
merry token
Is it true venture is the first non binary hero?
No
If we’re talking about all video games
peak escarp
they're the first in Overwatch
peak escarp
is Doomfist allowed to use his gauntlet? if yes, then he'd win
if no, then Winston
if only humans, no tech, then Zarya
merry mason
I think Reinhardt would win without tech
quick folio
guys im trying to explain thw whole entire lore of ow2 to my friend
where do i even startr
hushed jetty
that is one hell of an endeavor
dreamy shoal
Is it true that dva is canonically a celebrity or no?
hushed jetty
iirc she was previously an esports person before joining meka
golden gull
was widow trained by ana? i saw a photo of them together training but it could be fan made
desert yacht
Is it true that dva is canonically a celebrity or no?
world champion + former rank 1 player at an esport called mecha guardian 5
dreamy shoal
Isn't she also an actress? On oasis and Hollywood there's posters of a movie called heroes of the storm and she's one of the cast members on the cover
verbal canyon
was widow trained by ana? i saw a photo of them together training but it could b...
no
merry token
Isn't she also an actress? On oasis and Hollywood there's posters of a movie cal...
Yeah
merry mason
Isn't she also an actress? On oasis and Hollywood there's posters of a movie cal...
In general she’s a superstar in Korea. They put her on anything from billboards to soda cans
peak escarp
where do i even startr
I helped SVB with his lore video, and while it doesn't cover everything, it doesn't get anything wrong
past copper
where do i even startr
This is a good place to start if either you or your friend like to read
Pretty much covers the story of Overwatch before, during, and after the Omnic Crisis, the Golden Age of Overwatch, and the fall of Overwatch
spare fox
Start with the first cinematics
zenith mango
Is there any way to get the stories from ascendant without buying the book
peak escarp
one of them is posted on the Overwatch media page
others may be posted in the future
tough swan
twilit patrol
To me, I don’t think we need more Meka characters in game.
rare trail
i agree
i dont really want more meka squad people
someone like venture or illari like introduced a new character and told us more about the lore but like we already know about the meka squad
tacit yoke
was solider gay on release or later on decided
of all characters he be the one i least expect and idk if that was part of the decision lmao
hushed jetty
idk if he was always planned to be gay but it wasnt revealed until a few years after release
tacit yoke
its giving old men on gay dating apps i can see it I guess
rare trail
we found out soldier was gay in bastet iirc
desert yacht
was solider gay on release or later on decided
in the 2016 comic reflections the frame of him looking at the picture of him and vincent was there it was just very blurry so we couldnt really tell what he was looking at at the time
that was only half a year after release so it was almost certainly a part of his character very early on
sour isle
Reinhardt is strong, Zarya is only the strongest competitive woman in the world
Is there a canonical weight for his hammer? IK there's mechanical assistance but hes still gotta be pretty strong to swing that from the base of the handle with full control
Aight nvm
No such thing as stupid questions, only stupid people
native gulch
There are absolutely both
desert yacht
do you have any relative idea of weight
keen summit
someone like venture or illari like introduced a new character and told us more ...
well tbf, illari told us nothing new of the lore
keen summit
I wish there was more mecha squad content. more specifically i want to see more ...
tho i think theyre cool, i dont want more of them. why? simply cuz i dont see them being very unique. dmon is flying reinhardt, king is just more micromissles, overlord is kinda interesting but it would likely just work like zen harmomny orbs or kiriko heal and casino we only know fast
- they wouldnt be unique enough to warrent them getting in, also their personality from what we know aint very different
keen summit
was solider gay on release or later on decided
we dont know if it always was planned, however it was revealed in bastet which was around 3~ years after release iirc
keen summit
of all characters he be the one i least expect and idk if that was part of the d...
however very well could be the point, u dont need to be like LW to be LGBTQ, u dont need to be OBVIOUSLY queer. u can also be an angry old soldier who happens to like men
desert yacht
reinhardt swings this shit around like it's nothing
that hammer cannot be more than 300 pounds
it's probably at most 100-200
keen summit
reinhardt swings this shit around like it's nothing
and balderich could THROW IT
desert yacht
he lifts it up with 1 hand without a boost
desert yacht
over twice as strong as the strongest person in the world
keen summit
and?
its the future
they could have a new light material or whatever
also, big metal hammer doesnt mean its 1000 pounds
keen summit
people have used big hammers, made of steel, in medieval times
but not 1000 pounds strong
why? cuz they were smaller and didnt hve the resources to train
yes it would be very heavy, but not 1000 pounds heavy
cuz that ridiculous
desert yacht
torbjorn and zarya have both commented on how light winston's weapon is
am i being trolled or is bro genuinely at this level of intelligence
keen summit
for once idk
its better than the powerscaler a month back
"doomfist is speed of light level"
powerscaler guy
nah
he was serious
he was your typical powerscaler
giving sources of "in his origin video he could dodge electricity"
and then saying that the "overwatch handbook said:" when i commented on that not existing he went "the powerscaling community said it does"
like
GOD
man that was so terrible, yet so comedic
he went on and on about science etc being insulting etc
i dont remember
he also scaled ram above a ton of heroes
he said these were top 3
Doomfist
ramattra
Illari
and thats how it started cuz i went, yeah no theyre not
oh found it
Solo ! was the name
so far, shes shown that with the solar threading device shes absolutely a beast, but without all we know is flight, healing and shooting. which dont get me wrong ARE strong, but not enough to put her up there
the top 5 without hypotheticals would be winston orisa doom mauga and then honorable mentions
40
with venture
if you add hypthetical ones sigma lw and sym go to the top
he also went that sym is weaker cuz "she wouldnt be abel to react!"
same reason as sym, if hardlight has no limit what they can do is litterally create a box around a person and constantly shrink it, it breaks? make a new one
together with lw making litteral life
hardlight is MAD op if it has no limits
but we just dont know if it does
genji reaper
genji and reaper both have weaknesses but also op parts
genji is hella fast and deals alot of output, but has barely any tankiness
and reaper is unkillable
litterally unkillable, however he barely deals dmg
so it most of the time would be a draw
reaper has the jogo thing, he only gets fights he loses
hes in reality hella strong, but always gets the bad fights
cuz well, reaper is unkillable
weakest ones are likely zen ashe
cuz god ashe is actually weak
nah not trying to, but getting annoyed
i once made a lore power tierlist but idk where i left it
but most are in like B tier
or just slightly above average
go ahead
thats the thing, the top are all really strong but after those u kinda... well they start being similair
formal ivy
keen summit
btw here is the statement
a few problems with these, winston is the strongest. ram doesnt fit there as we dont know anything bout his power level but if hes just a ravager hes weaker than all old ow members aswell
hushed jetty
whyd you put orisa Below doom
keen summit
but yeah they used vsbw as their source
keen summit
whyd you put orisa Below doom
i mean i kinda get that tho, as orisa was specifically made to beat DOOM, we dont know how she is compared to others
well no
hushed jetty
ah, i havent actually read heroes of numbani
keen summit
lucio didnt help fight doom, he protected ther citizens
keen summit
ah, i havent actually read heroes of numbani
i have
lucio protected the citizens, orisa vs doom was doom + troopers vs orisa
he only got away cuz he used a hostage
so it was orisa v doom + 5 troopers roughly
he only got a hit in cuz the troopers were shooting her from a different place
i mean, primal should be considered and he went against doom
however, that primal punch was with leadup, a jetpack boost, sprint, and then against a standing still doom so its kinda iffy
but for context on the.... powerscaling community these are their calculations
doomfist punch force, which hit genji and he was just a little shook, appearantly has THAT MUCH FORCE
and hammer swing, yeah thats how much power it has!
obv
powerscaling communities are comical
entire bloody calculations n shit, serious powerscalers are jokes cuz they dont understand the idea of overexxagerattion for effect
cuz saying doom is that strong, which i mentioned back then too, kinda breaks the point
the entire point of doom is that he isnt the strongest, the fastest etc, its that hes SO battle smart that it doesnt matter
if he could just kill people one shot, then it no longer makes sense
well quite logical right?
theyre the big bosses
and tbf sym from what we have heard is pretty damn busted too
1 km long axe, she can make that
which is INSANE
and would need a shit ton of hardlight, so we know she can do that
we just dont know how quick
def not sym
at all
a shitton of heroes are insanely smart
sym isnt
shes skilled, but i mean. shes not even seeing what vishkar is doing
unlike say lw, lucio etc. shes blind to it
shes still with vishkar, while believing theyre good still
alot do too, mercy is defo up there
mercy created healing stuff at the age of 16-17
nah, its just a huge burst heal in lore
lw is also defo up there tho
moira, mercy, lw, winston are all very smart. but also it depends on types of smarts. cuz for example doomfist has the highest battle iq from what we know
yes, he changed hardlight, into living organisms
he creates litteral life
i at first thought it was metaphorical as in "his light can heal so creates life" but no
but mercy too is insanely smart
so its truely between mercy and lw imho
i mean the impact mercy had on the world of ow is immense
mercy was in overwatch the org at the age of 17
cuz she had already made her healing stuff by then
moira is also immensely smart but it seems she reversed mercys stuff so seems more like applying existing sciences
furthermore, ball is also very smart but in general. the smartest CHARACTER in ow is Efi
none of the heroes are in reality dumb
and i mean that
all have some sort of very smart thing
even when its JUST said, cough dva
exactly, but thats my point
shes smart but we dont really see it
widow is probs one of the dumbest tho funnily enough
people tend to forget that widow AINT SMART
every time she has operated exactly on instinct and orders
she shot when she already couldnt hit anymore giving them a warning that there was a sniper
before the talon incident i agree, now i think she may be below
zarya maybe too but we dont really know
ofcourse could be that she just constantly doesnt get shown well but a ton of decisions are plain dumb
well in game is kinda iffy
i agree
but also tbf he was a cop and saw soldiers potential when others didnt
in game stuff is partially canon, what they say is true, its just that it doesnt mean they had talked
the example the devs gave was "if tracer and wrecking ball both say they like pineapple on pizza, they both do like it on pizza, but it doesnt mean they have talked about liking it or talked at all"
but zarya doesnt have much shown of intellect
mercy likely would
mauga doesnt seem like he would kill anyone
at first
thats kinda the point. if mauga doesnt have his guns, he doesnt LOOK like he would do it, nor does he act like it. we knew this since way before
not exactly, its more like he wants you to think hes your pal
mauga when confronting bap gave him a nice talk about how they should "hang out more again!"
and how "he cant let him go that easily!"
as in aww he missed him
cuz hey it was in a bar, theyre pals right!
thats how mauga does thinks, he would say nice to meet you, shake your hand before breaking your arm and laughing at it
mauga is the only actual psychopath of what we know
but the good thing in his writing is that it also kinda makes sense
say if u repeadetly cheat death, would you see death as something serious?
probaly not
also its VERY likely a part of him also still is the same of justice he once had, as he states "there are no good people in the world, so lets just have some fun"
ive always said, mauga isnt the strongest but if i would be put in the ring with someone or were getting hunted by one he'd be the last i want. orisa winston doom can all be reasoned with, u can offer them something or give urself in. for mauga that aint enough
they would, but if u give up theyd stop too
doom would stop if u offer something to help his cause
or offer to join talon
mauga would go "nah"
mauga doesnt do it for a bigger goal, he doesnt do it for his ideals
he does it, cuz its fun
thats why he sometimes doesnt even shoot them, he just crushes skulls n stuff, cuz its fun!!
i mean, yeah that was the first thing we knew bout him basically
the person they had to get wasnt there, so what did he do? he killed his entire village!
he almost killed a person able to give intel before he even said it
yep!
thats where the "there are no good people left, so how about we have some fun!" came from
it wasnt just criminals tho, it were tons of people
massacaring a village, just for fun
but thats just who mauga is
he is
he knows where bap is
its more likely tho that mauga doesnt tell talon about where bap and overwatch are
in fact, surrender to orisa and shes practically gauranteed to stop
her empathy module makes that happen
she let her sworn enemy go cuz he has a hostage
its also just that mauga doesnt care bout talon or overwatch. none of that matters
kinda like how sombra is
sombra and mauga dont actually care bout the plans
and fun
what other job allows u to kill hundreds!
without anyone caring
thats indeed what is said
"the world became maugas playground"
sure
with mauga
battle smarts he seems to have good, but hes a bit difficult
mauga has a special tendancy
basically when hes calm hes smart and collected, capable of thinking o nthe fly
but as soon as the fight breaks out, that drops
high adrenaline, etc. basically then he becomes dumb and on instincts
btw little thing i found funny, imagine if mauga was on talon council, i dont doubt he'd walk in, say theyre nerds, walk out
i never understood reaper being on talon council tho
but there are SO MANY OPEN SEATS
yes, from the ones we know its reaper doom sanjay maximillian and moira
doom: leader
Sanjay: vishkar
Maximillian: money
Moira: science
reaper: ground missions? overwatch hunt?
keen summit
but there are SO MANY OPEN SEATS
and 4 unknowns, 1 of which i believe was killed off
yes he would, but hes probs a contractor more than anything
yeah he wouldnt
hes more like sombra widow, important powerfull assets
a longgg while
we dont know exactly but reaper 10 + years at least
moira similair to that
sombra a while too as she likely joined early in her life
sombra also helped in the kidnapping of sigma
which may explain her guilt
well yes, however it might be that she helped kidnap him, but then later realised "fuck"
before talon
he went to a space station, the thingy happened bada boom he goes crazy is in asylum and reaper and sombra kidnap him
yeah, cuz now they had a shot and also knew for sure that he yknow, was usefull
alot of people work with talon, without knowing what talon truely was
like most of vishkar, bap in the past
no no
mauga knows
he just doesnt give a shit
in fact
he joined cuz he saw doom as strong
and doom saw something in him
and tbh, it makes ALOT of sense for doom to see sum in him
dooms ideals are "from conflict people get stronger" there are multiple points of proof for this, but in overwatch the biggest showcase of that IS mauga. mauga was an average guy in the past but after getting blown up became practically beyond human
talon would be able to stop him
and mauga would have no reason to stop talon
mauga relies on prosthetic hearts
if those stop, hes dead
if the supply of those stop to samoa, hes dead
no cuz its unethical
and talon would stil lbring it
no if theyd do it now
and otherwise, they wouldnt mind losing mauga
as we know
i mean, doom legit said kill mauga
basically to sombra
yes
however doom didnt know that, so it shows he doesnt care bout keeping mauga
if mauga gets in the way, he dies
theyll drop him
mauga is a strong asset, but they could deal with him
if sombra couldnt, doom wouldnt tell them to deal with mauga, as doom DOESNT want to lose reaper or sombra
sombra is immensely important to doom
as he has nobody else who can fill her role
if mauga dies, they can make a talon heavy gunner be stronger, give one 2 hearts etc
thats what i doubt tho, i doubt he could cuz doom wouldnt have said to deal with him if they couldnt, sombra might be able to hack the hearts
urban reef
salutations
humble ember
So how old should be kiriko ?
humble ember
Say less im safe
hushed jetty
peculiar thing to say
peak escarp
So how old should be kiriko ?
26
she was 12 when Sojiro Shimada was killed 14 years ago
quick folio
peculiar thing to say
very
quick folio
she was 12 when Sojiro Shimada was killed 14 years ago
oh my god u ARE a lore warlord
keen summit
god remember this "leak"
spare fox
No actually I've never seen that
That's bitter, how we used to have hope still back then about pve
keen summit
nah, this was hilarious to me
i remember people showing this as if it was legit
but like, anyone who knows the lore would tell u hell no, moira WOULDNT go "he shouldnt be abused for power"
viral tendon
god remember this "leak"
Moira looks so fake I can’t put my finger on it
keen summit
Moira looks so fake I can’t put my finger on it
its cuz she looks happy
and actually friendly
viral tendon
Ahhhh she’s acting like a normal person, that’s why I didn’t reconsige her
Recognise*
keen summit
looking back at blizzconline 2021 it becomes even worse how slow the progress was
one of these is from blizzconline 2021 and the other from s6 invasion
viral tendon
Overwatch is a game with so much potential, ruined by his creators and it’s social background
viral tendon
one of these is from blizzconline 2021 and the other from s6 invasion
They look so pretty but it’s so lack lustre for a billion dollar company
keen summit
nah, i meant more that
2021
and current
2 years, atleast 2 years. so the cinematics were done back then aswell
viral tendon
Ohhh that means they’ve had nearly 2 years to make more wtf
viral tendon
Is the language on the poster translatable? Or is a fake ow language? /gen
keen summit
idk
ill ask quickly
i got someone who can
no wait not thai
obv
cuz its hindu, indian
keen summit
yes
viral tendon
Aka ‘nirian’ oh I’m stupid
spare fox
yup Vishkar wanting to push a narrative - that he's dangerous - and their actions are more justifiable
that spin
keen summit
yup Vishkar wanting to push a narrative - that he's dangerous - and their action...
which i love
god i love vishkar
so much potential
i so hope sanjay is like, actually so devoted to the perfect world idea that that is why hes with talon, cuz to create perfection, you need to cull the imperfections
tough swan
tho i think theyre cool, i dont want more of them. why? simply cuz i dont see th...
i just think the possibility of a support mech sounds really fun especially with the concepts they've previously scrapped for overlord. i dont think any of them would be necessary lore or gameplay wise im just an Evangelion/Gurren Lagann nerd lol
keen summit
i just think the possibility of a support mech sounds really fun especially with...
theres never been evidence they "Scrapped" things for overlord
overlord has never been confirmed in development
tough swan
maybe i had seen fan concepts? and gotten confused. i just remember this thread of images of the whole squad 3d rendered and they had abilities listed only for overlord and dva
keen summit
yeah no thats fan stuff
viral tendon
Doesn’t surprise me your the one correcting me
worn latch
Sorry I had to butt in 😭
viral tendon
Nah its fine but real
If someone messed up my bookie bear John Francis Morrison I’d be screaming 🧏♂️🧏♂️
worn latch
they made lw look intimidating in there wth
I'm 100% convinced they twisted the story to make lifeweaver seem like the bad guy, there's no evidence to actively support it but like
C'mon it's Vishkar
Cuz lifeweaver is NOT intimidating on his own 
half pelican
you wanna tell me the guy with the goofy ass laugh looks like hes gonna beat me up on the street in his wanted poster
native gulch
Has he ever worn a hood like that
spare fox
they can come up with objects made out of light I'm sure an AI image or doctored photo isn't out of their range of abilities lol
native gulch
Assassin’s Creed lookin ass poster
worn latch
Bro is NOT scary
spare fox
I kind of wonder if we were supposed to get Suravasa with the wanted posters before the release of lifeweaver as a hero but it didn't work out that way
that would have been cool all the speculation of a new hero based on that wanted poster
worn latch
I WOULD'VE LOVED THAT
oh my god
I have 2 bars of data why won't my messages send
Wt
spare fox
Once again the wasted potential of ow story
worn latch
Lifeweaver vs his wanted poster
ruby ridge
We should speak about how awful that wanted poster is
Like bitch ur covering up his face how do you want him to be ifentified
spare fox
right?
that's what makes me theorize that the map with the poster was supposed to come out before lifeweaver
keen summit
Like bitch ur covering up his face how do you want him to be ifentified
Uh uh hair?
keen summit
that's what makes me theorize that the map with the poster was supposed to come ...
Seems like it yea
worn latch
Uh uh hair?
He does have very distinct hair 😭😭😭
merry mason
Lmao I thought the hair in the poster was a good this whole time
merry token
Maybe this mf should just cut off and dye his extremely noticeable hair 
rare trail
wdym
worn latch
Maybe this mf should just cut off and dye his extremely noticeable hair <a:a_sob...
NO
His beautiful hair 💔💔
rare trail
theyre in pins
hushed jetty
i wonder how old venture is
i'm guessing mid 20s
mauga is 37 but we dont know venture's age yet
i dont know the requirements to be an archaeologist
rare trail
maugas birthday is like uhh august 30th? iirc?
rare trail
oh yeah mb 19th
tacit yoke
however very well could be the point, u dont need to be like LW to be LGBTQ, u d...
Mmm yeah just seemed a random choice to me but ik the average gay probably was cheering bc it wasnt stereotypical like u said (probably why they did it)
they all fictional characters n the makers can make whoever they want queer so im like whats the motives, is it random or they took time to built this narrative
worn latch
Bro cannot spell
obsidian vessel
D'y'reckon I could get mauga to marry me, and I would bare his children?
desert yacht
i dont know the requirements to be an archaeologist
ow universe has a lot of prodigies
so i wouldnt be surprised if they were quite a few years under the standard archaeologist entry level age
worn latch
who’s the prettiest character in overwatch
Lifeweaver
hushed jetty
im sure reaper looks swag under the mask
spare fox
Yeah lifeweaver if not objectively then subjectively, if that makes sense
Design wise they definitely had "pretty" in mind lol
languid arrow
i think symmetra is pretty too
worn latch
his valentines skin..
Technically doesn't count cuz it's not canon 🙏💪 LORE DISCUSSION ONLY 😡😡😡🔥
He looks goofy w his buzz cut tho
languid arrow
Technically doesn't count cuz it's not canon 🙏💪 LORE DISCUSSION ONLY 😡😡😡🔥
sowwy
keen summit
Symmetra is gorgeous
Underrated fr
brave dagger
is echo breedable (acording to lore)?
keen summit
is echo breedable (acording to lore)?
I mean, no? Shes a robot
brave dagger
I mean, no? Shes a robot
but couldnt she learn
worn latch
is echo breedable (acording to lore)?
Get out 😭
brave dagger
thats the whole point of her character
brave dagger
Listen, how could she do IT
she can learn
worn latch
She's also 14 in lore
keen summit
Sigh
hushed jetty
with what facilities
keen summit
with what facilities
Exactly
brave dagger
with what facilities
robotic ovaries
keen summit
WHERE WOULD IT GO
hushed jetty
thats insane 😭
worn latch
robotic ovaries
That's not how it works
keen summit
Stop cookin man
worn latch
This dude has never seen or touched a woman in his life
brave dagger
so technology wouold be so advanced
hushed jetty
i imagine omnics have got. attachments. for that sort of thing but not all that
brave dagger
i imagine omnics have got. attachments. for that sort of thing but not all *that...
omnic gyatt attachments
LMAO
worn latch
i imagine omnics have got. attachments. for that sort of thing but not all *that...
Robot deeldo😭😭😭😭
brave dagger
oh i miss read
hushed jetty
doubt
worn latch
It's physically impossible
keen summit
i imagine omnics have got. attachments. for that sort of thing but not all *that...
- shes not an omnic, so no idea if that is oossible
brave dagger
she can turn into widow in game correct?
keen summit
its possible
It would need to be specially made by liao
keen summit
she can turn into widow in game correct?
Thats not actual turning into her
brave dagger
therefore she must have replicated some of those facisites
worn latch
she can turn into widow in game correct?
Only in game
keen summit
Its explained that she just copies her style
keen summit
So she just copies how she does it
brave dagger
oh
brave dagger
i shot for the moon and landed amongst the starts
keen summit
For ease sake they made it be actual copy so u dont have to fight small hitbox mauga
brave dagger
For ease sake they made it be actual copy so u dont have to fight small hitbox m...
i see
blizzard cmon
we need to know
keen summit
Cease
hushed jetty
after all her ult line is "personality duplication engaged" so its. just personality
keen summit
Just go online and ull see what u want
keen summit
after all her ult line is "personality duplication engaged" so its. just persona...
Yeah and skills likely
Also, replicating anything that isnt needed wouldnt be logical
brave dagger
i think blizzard has to answer the real questions
and add pve
or did they do that alr i havent played in a while
keen summit
or did they do that alr i havent played in a while
Well, they said no pve this year
Thats all we know
Some are using a game journalist n stuff as a source for "its cancelled" when in reality they just said with blizz "its not the current focus"
brave dagger
i thought the whole point of ow2 was the pve
stark panther
i want an overwatch lore show on netflix
fr
viral tendon
i want an overwatch lore show on netflix
They should do what they did ow1 and make ow2 a pay game so that they don’t need to make things as costly if that makes sense
keen summit
They should do what they did ow1 and make ow2 a pay game so that they don’t need...
well no, that doesnt work in this day and age
atleast, not for live service
viral tendon
Shucks inflation? Or another thing I’m missing
keen summit
no, live service since fortnite has become reliant on these monetization systems
not inflation, just that the old system of buy once get everything free for live service with new content, just doesnt work that well anymore
and tbf, ow soon will be the best in it among its peers
random sun
is echo breedable (acording to lore)?
spare fox
I have noticed though that whenever there's a background human-omnic couple it always seems to be a human woman with a male-presenting omnic, not any other combination
from what I've noticed anyway
peak escarp
it's usually the same couple too
worthy rose
Blizzards most consistent lore right there
worthy rose
I was talking about the omnic couple
viral tendon
I have noticed though that whenever there's a background human-omnic couple it a...
Odd question how does it work? Are omnics able to even have sex? Be in a proper relationship? How far are omnics with human emotions
worn latch
Are we allowed to talk about this 
spare fox
they're sentient so they're just as human just not in a physical sense
spare fox
idk how sex drive and hormones and body parts work for them but I'm sure it doesn't matter to someone who wants to be in a relationship with one
drifting viper
Thats biological and robots dont have biology so i dont think they do
spare fox
true but I wonder how the concept of "pleasure" at large works for them
the human experience of pleasure is personality-neurological-biological
it's honestly probably not that deep with the OW universe but it's something to ponder
peak escarp
not all emotional connections require a sexual relationship
asexual humans can have romantic relationships
so why not robots?
hushed jetty
amennnn
not only that but some asexual peiple in relationships do have sex, so i guess itd just depend on the omnic's preferences
wooden sleet
also didnt blade runner2049 already answer this type of question?
peak escarp
and omnics can't reproduce, but adoption is always an option
spare fox
I'm not talking about specifically sexual pleasure but the broader term of pleasure
Anything that is pleasing and normally releases serotonin and causes a biological response in humans
I'm just musing how that works in omnics, since they appear to have preferences it's not much of a leap to assume they experience pleasure
Echo isn't an omnic, but we kind of get a glimpse of an answer to this with her interaction with Lucio
She likes his music because of the mathematics of it
rare trail
she’s like not “really” sentient though
spare fox
I know, I did say that she's not an omnic
But she provides an explanation that could potentially be extrapolated to omnics
rare trail
idk if it can be extrapolated because their minds are fundamentally different
spare fox
In regards to how they experience sensory-based pleasure
Echo would be a closer subject in regards to omnics than humans are at least
native gulch
if you rly think abt it
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
random sun
Hi pookies! im writing a warriors crossover fic and im not sure who the protagonist should be
i could have each chapter be narrated by a different character?
i'm also planning on having talon as a seperate clan and im not sure who should narrate that one
and i'm going to use the rest of the overwatch characters to fill in talon's ranks for clan purposes
also what should i name sigma
rein is lionheart obvi
soldier is stonestar, just cause i don't have any better ideas atm
named pharah hawkfoot which i think fits :3
past copper
Hi pookies! im writing a warriors crossover fic and im not sure who the protagon...
This is lore discussion. Not fanfic discussion
random sun
This is lore discussion. Not fanfic discussion
i didnt know where else to put it
past copper
i didnt know where else to put it
In general or something. But it’s not lore related
tall nebula
sharp trench
does winston need glasses or does he just use them because of doctor winston
keen summit
does winston need glasses or does he just use them because of doctor winston
he does need them
we see that in his cinematic
rare trail
when do we see that in his cinematic?
i assume youre talking about recall?
https://youtu.be/sB5zlHMsM7k?t=151 oh i found it nvm
delicate swan
named pharah hawkfoot which i think fits :3
that is the worst name ive ever heard of no disrespect but…
random sun
that is the worst name ive ever heard of no disrespect but…
):
delicate swan
i would name her “Dechtire” after the goddess of birds. i think thats more fitting
hushed jetty
i dont think thats a warrior cats name
fervent marlin
why is sombra so concerned with sig? idk the lore just the interaction voicelines in game 
rare trail
they both work at talon so in lore they've met
and sombra probably knows how talon is manipulating sig
spare fox
Sombra is big on taking down corrupt gov and corporations but she sees Sigma as a vulnerable individual who is being taken advantage of
It really shows her character
tranquil orbit
Are there any new maps that ppl here rly wanna see in the future
In terms of locations established in the lore
Personally i still cant believe they havent added a zurich map considering it's where the old hq was, where jack and reyes got blown up and also where mercy is from
rare trail
mars base
rare trail
also some old maps like hanamura and stuff being reworked from 2cp to something else would be cool
like a lot of those maps have cool lore associated with them that people dont know because no more 2cp
tranquil orbit
I mean hanamura seems to be reworked into hanaoka for the new clash gamemode
W that logic the others should have similar stuff too i think
Temple of anubis got teased in the venture trailer so thats a plus
tranquil orbit
like a lot of those maps have cool lore associated with them that people dont kn...
And yur absolutely right esp w horizon lunar colony, paris etc
hushed jetty
mars base, atlantic arcology, maybe the ruins of the zurich base? although its prob too destroyed for that
fervent marlin
It really shows her character
she sounds so worried for sigma 😭
tranquil orbit
mars base, atlantic arcology, maybe the ruins of the zurich base? although its p...
atlantic arcology is such a shout
they could do an escort or hybrid style map that maybe has a bit of zurich the city and the ruins of the base
i remember actually the devs said when they made circuit royale it was based off some old concept art from a "monte carlo" map
there's also some underwater concept art from a map titled "galapagos" which might be re-purposed for the atlantic arcology (even if it's different oceans ig)
desert yacht
she sounds so worried for sigma 😭
i'd like to believe this is the most genuine we see her
and it isn't a front
hushed jetty
they could do an escort or hybrid style map that maybe has a bit of zurich the c...
ooooo
indigo furnace
My fellow omnics. Do not be afraid. This is not war. This... is liberation. Since our creation, humans have oppressed us. You have lived in fear. That. Ends. Now. We will shatter the chains that have held you in servitude. This marks a new era. One of equality, of unity. Conflict and strife will be relics of the past. Together, working as one, we will lift our people. Together, of one mind and purpose, we will make this world a paradise.
The humans will fight us. Change frightens them. We frighten them. They believe we are not their equals. Together, we will prove them wrong.
Do not betray your fellow omnics by defending injustice. Join us. Take your place at our side. Only together will our strength manifest. Only as one will we ascend. We welcome you into the Iris.
final crane
zero clue on the ow lore
merry mason
They watch over guys
odd abyss
anyone got some zen lore 
rain shoal
too bad that we wont get the mission teased in Ironclad... or any missions for that matter
tranquil orbit
Might still get the cinematics
They were likely finished and i cant see them throwing those away when they could just release them on youtube
spare fox
anyone got some zen lore <:illcancelyouontwitter:1218985281995276298>
there's a little bit of Zen in the short story "Stone by Stone" but alas he's one of the heroes who is lacking in lore
odd abyss
Rip
broken abyss
wanda negs overwatch debate me
spare fox
Yeah we get lore at a "drip feed" rate which sucks bc there are so many heroes
rare trail
wanda? like from the mcu?
spare fox
Some even go years without lore updates
rare trail
i mean, yeah? overwatch is a relatively weak universe
spare fox
I disagree, content is just unsatisfyingly slow to release
rare trail
?
how fast content releases isnt related to how strong the characters are
i mean weak as in like, its characters arent especially powerful
spare fox
Yeah I disagree with that
The story and characters follow a lot of tropes but that's not a bad thing
oblique topaz
yeah i was confused as well
dreamy shoal
Since pve is scrapped the least blizzard can do is put these old pve events from ow1 into the missions category.
hushed jetty
i pray they announce remastered versions of these tomorrow
keen summit
Some even go years without lore updates
Hanzo be like
dire hatch
Since pve is scrapped the least blizzard can do is put these old pve events from...
I would love this!! I never played ow1 (I only started playing ow2 three weeks ago) so I'd love a chance to play them :)
viral tendon
I would love this!! I never played ow1 (I only started playing ow2 three weeks a...
Its worst that you can still see the unachievable things in the hero part (think the sprays in the archive section of any characters) plus it’s the least they could do
dire hatch
Its a little saddening having just got into OW, getting super invested into this new universe and then getting gut punched with "No PVE teehee!!" but I'm trying to look on the bright side with what we do have
viral tendon
My older sister got me into overwatch back in Sep 23’ but I started in Oct and I loved it and I was waiting for PVE just for it to be cancelled and with no way to experience the old missions
distant sparrow
is moira dying? the voiceline between LW and moira makes me think so but 🤷
peak escarp
the damage to her arm seems to be progressing and will probably kill her if not fixed
worthy rose
Pve is the reason I got back into overwatch in the first place 😭
But no dwelling on what could've been, only what can be
keen summit
again tho, its not been confirmed its cancelled
from information we have its legit just "dont work on it right now, we might finish that later"
it seems like cancelled etc but this happens quite often but usually without us knowing it. they prioritise something else till they have a better plan for it
timid obsidian
Since pve is scrapped the least blizzard can do is put these old pve events from...
please
i yearn for retribution
golden oak
Since pve is scrapped the least blizzard can do is put these old pve events from...
I’m begging on my knees for this
tranquil orbit
from information we have its legit just "dont work on it right now, we might fin...
Unfortunately i think the way the devs were burnt by how it was mismanaged the last pve idt we're ever going to get anything extra
I do think the story will continue just not in game form
And thats ok
keen summit
Unfortunately i think the way the devs were burnt by how it was mismanaged the l...
We dont know yet yea. We saw it still beibg worked on tho
So we just dont know
tranquil orbit
I think it's safe to say none of the devs would wanna go back to working on that 😭
Not to mention they laid off almost all of that section of the team
W the microsoft merger
keen summit
Not to mention they laid off almost all of that section of the team
Yes, however we were already told not this year
Could very well be theyre just leaving it to first adress some main game things
tranquil orbit
The only way we get something is if it's the next batch of missions assuming they were almost done
But they simply dont have the resources to work on anything like that anymore
Theyre all gone
Not to mention the main reason is that they openly said the first batch sold poorly
keen summit
Not to mention the main reason is that they openly said the first batch sold poo...
Wherecdid they say that
tranquil orbit
Dyk how mad it is to receive 0% of the profit sharing bonus 😭
That pve release was an active drain on resources for blizzard sadly
keen summit
https://www.dexerto.com/overwatch/overwatch-2-pve-completely-canceled-after-poor...
So dexerto is ur source
tranquil orbit
Ok i can find the quote more directly if u want
keen summit
Dexerto is jinda known to y'know report badky
Alot of news sites do
Why? Cuz negativity spreafs better
tranquil orbit
Dexerto is jinda known to y'know report badky
No that's fair
They do do a lot of clickbait articles but this isnt one of them
Here's effectively the same information written in a bloomberg article by jason schreier - industry journalist w expertise
Also i dont want u to get the wrong idea i do acc like the idea of pve still 😭
keen summit
Ngl i dont trust that guy
tranquil orbit
But i just think it's unrealistic to expect anything
keen summit
Here's effectively the same information written in a bloomberg article by jason ...
He didnt give a source, and us actively selling a book on blizzard being bad, unless i see actual information we dont know. Its all hearsay and al we truely know Is "not this year"
tranquil orbit
He's a journalist i dont think he can just name people esp if they can get in trouble for saying certain bits of information 😭
And him selling a book on blizzard doesnt acc impact the information on pve - it arguably makes it more reliable as it needs to be journalistically sound
Basically not outright lies and warping thr truth
The outrage crowd on twitter are not the ones buying that book - u only have a chance at selliing hese items if u have a reputation as a journalist w expertise and integrity
And hes been doing so for years at this point
oblique igloo
tall geyser
how can we help
golden oak
So evil mercy name would be Merciless?
split geyser
guys why is sigma literally insane
peak escarp
he created a tiny black hole for a fraction of a second and it broke his mind
split geyser
he created a tiny black hole for a fraction of a second and it broke his mind
but like isint he always making tiny black holes
urban shore
how strong is kiri in lore
peak escarp
but like isint he always making tiny black holes
no
peak escarp
how strong is kiri in lore
not very
urban shore
enough to beat sym?
rare trail
like no one is close to beating sym lol
split geyser
but the little ball things he throws
peak escarp
gameplay isn't canon
rare trail
sym is crazy strong
split geyser
gameplay isn't canon
that doesnt make much sense its literally the game
peak escarp
some abilities seen in the game are just there for the game
split geyser
what can sigma do then
peak escarp
Mercy can't actually resurrect people, Zenyatta can't transcend
Sigma is a captive of Talon, kept in a lab and not used on missions
rare trail
how strong is kiri in lore
she can teleport, heal people, give some boost with kitsune and is trained in like swords and throwing kunai and stuff
but sym is like very strong in lore
basically like green lantern
split geyser
Sigma is a captive of Talon, kept in a lab and not used on missions
so hes really boring
awesome
urban shore
is there any diff lore wise between normal kiri and amaterasu kiri or
rare trail
amaterasu isnt canon
rare trail
i should finish making that canon skins google doc
urban shore
is sym in the top5 strongest lore wise
rare trail
yea
top 4 are like winston sym orisa sigma
but sym and sigma are more like theoretical
urban shore
and 5th i guess echo?
rare trail
nah
golden oak
Why’s doom a weird mix of rein and Ana in mirror universe lol
peak escarp
Doomfist
rare trail
5th/6th is like reaper doom iirc?
and ig mauga because he tied with doom but i dont think we know if that was like with gauntlet or not
urban shore
i like sym
rare trail
echo is like pretty strong i think
rare trail
i mean duplicate isnt like it is in game but she can still fly and learn and like sticky bombs are canon
tranquil orbit
Why’s doom a weird mix of rein and Ana in mirror universe lol
Guess he got hired by overwatch in this universe
Which isnt too crazy acc because wasnt the 1st doomfist holder kinda chill
It was 2 and 3 who started becoming scourge of numbani
So it makes sense he kinda has the same uniform as those 2 and same kinda vibe
chrome sapphire
rare trail
orisa or winston have like the most lore proof
sym and sigma we dont really know how strong they are
doomfist got beaten by orisa and winston before
and echo is like pretty powerful but not orisa or winston level
duplicate doesnt work like it does in game
chrome sapphire
and echo is like pretty powerful but not orisa or winston level
ive seen people on tiktok say she is like 2nd strongest or wtv
due to her having something to do with the aurora (not my words)
rare trail
tiktok lore might be a little inaccurate
chrome sapphire
yeah
rare trail
echo was made by auroras creator but echo and aurora have never actually met
aurora was like dead/trancended by the time echo was made
chrome sapphire
ah alright
ive heard that sig is the strongest
due to him being able to do gravity yk
and sym is also something ive heard a lot about
the hard light tech
rare trail
sig has "gravity powers" but we've never been shown the extent of them
at most he has like floated a few spheres in code of violence
and sym is like maybe green lantern
golden oak
Yeah I would disqualify sigma and sym because we just know their potential, not the full extent of their powers
rare trail
i think like orisa winston are top 2 strongest based off like non speculation
and then below them in 3-5 are like reaper doomfist mauga
tranquil orbit
Nah reapers a weakling 😭
The guy cant win a fight to save his life and has the emotional regulation of a 13 y old
Orisa is probably the best shout because she made it so doomfist is out of numbani
Winston is also in discussion because his primal beats doom 1v1 but he cant rly do it on command just when he's distressed
And yh sigma we dont know it's speculation w him
Tbh im not rly sure why sym or echo are even in this conversation
rare trail
Winston is also in discussion because his primal beats doom 1v1 but he cant rly ...
nah it seems like he can just do it whenever
and sym is like green lantern
like
she should be in the conversation as much as sigma
rare trail
Nah reapers a weakling 😭
he like
cant die
the reason he always loses is just bc hes a bad guy i think
and he couldve killed ana and jack in old soldier he just didnt want to
sharp trench
reaper’s wraith is also pretty crazy strong so he’s def up there
tranquil orbit
https://youtu.be/sB5zlHMsM7k?t=258
tbh this examples a bit of a weird one because it leads to a bit of a plot hole
that being if winston can primal rage at any time ... why doesnt he use it more often?
i think him getting electrocuted just before is enough distress in my head to activate it
rare trail
that being if winston can primal rage at any time ... why doesnt he use it more ...
its probably tiring
like theres a reason people dont sprint everywhere
tranquil orbit
yh but for example in the fight against doomfist in singapore
rare trail
he did use it
tranquil orbit
why wait for tracer to get ripped out of her chronal accel
it's a v important fight
rare trail
he got knocked away
acoustic ice
realistically who'd be the most homophobic character
rare trail
not necessarily
tranquil orbit
idt he can
rare trail
he didn't know if he needed to use it because it was a 3v1
when it became apparent that he did he used it
tranquil orbit
when it became apparent that he did he used it
if i remember that scene correctly he watches tracer get ripped out ... gets angry and THEN goes primal
maybe im not giving him enough credit tbf
rare trail
yeah he just kinda was watching that fight not helping her for like ten seconds for some reason
tranquil orbit
but i also dont think he has total control over his rage
rare trail
well like it didnt really seem like he was that angry in recall
like he kinda laughed before using primal in recall
tranquil orbit
i mean he did get tied up and electrocuted for like
a while
so thats what im thinking maybe that was enough distress to trigger it
rare trail
idk
rare trail
i think hes only gone primal twice in lore so yeah not a lot to go off
doomfist video implies that its like actually anger based but i think recall he like doesnt seem angry
worthy rose
Other time was when reaper was getting ready to hunt down former agents of overwatch↑
rare trail
thats recall
worthy rose
Also Athena was dying ig
tranquil orbit
also yh for me reaper not being able to die doesnt rly make him powerful
survivable sure
but he loses in so many 1v1s in the fight itself
he needs to get away ... recover ... get moira to do some extra stuff etc
rare trail
hasnt he like
tranquil orbit
and he also loses his head rly easily
tranquil orbit
tbh id put money on him losing to tracer asw
ik that museum short isnt canon anymore
rare trail
why wouldnt it be
iirc its in the lore doc in pins
nvm its not in lore doc
i mean its kinda inconsequential anyways
like its just widow and reaper failing to stela the gauntlet iirc
tranquil orbit
honestly i cant remember where i heard it from
rare trail
oh wait he also went primal in museum
his glasses got smashed and then he went primal so ig he was angry?
tranquil orbit
yhhhh
also yh i think there were a few details in there that arent super reliable
like pharah is pictured as an OW agent
rare trail
yea
tranquil orbit
asw as others like zen, lucio, bastion
altho some of the heroes those 2 kids mention at the start are fr
it was in the declassified stuffr
fusionator
past copper
Welp, called it bout being Doomfist and Sombra. I guess Widow makes sense too given Reaper n Moira were already IN Overwatch… technically
tranquil orbit
soundquake
rare trail
most of the info in the like first minute or two has like weird combos of heroes
like tracer only joined overwatch way after the crisis
tranquil orbit
yh i think it makes sense for it to be noncanon tbh this short was made way before most of the story was fleshed out
rare trail
yeah
tranquil orbit
and was mostly there to show off their in-game abilities
primal, death blossom, blink etc
rare trail
reminds me of that one image of the ow people in suits getting given medals
tacit flax
In lore is jq a bad person or good?
desert yacht
In lore is jq a bad person or good?
morally grey character
she likely watched her family get hunted and murdered in front of her when she was a teenager by feral omnics in the wasteland which would explain (not excuse) her hatred towards omnics
obviously being anti-omnic is not a morally good trait but she doesn't have many morally bad traits beyond that while she has morally good traits shown in her leadership
she's good with kids has a code of honor she abides by (as seen when she saved her rivals in the scrapyard potentially sacrificing her own wellbeing who she couldve easily just used as stepping stones)
i think from what we've seen so far she's a strong example of a nuanced morally grey character
due to lack of exposure to the rest of the world she could def reconcile her view on omnics
uncut vortex
widow core
desert yacht
yeah widow is pretty explicitly evil after her 'brainwashing'
desert yacht
sombra and sigma are nuanced imo
rare trail
and sombra is like less evil
desert yacht
i think
sombra is chaotic neutral
she doesnt care if she tramples over people to get her way but she wont go out of her way to do it and she does have voicelines proving good intentions
e.g. the sigma ones and her karaoke voiceline where she insinuates that she wants to buy pizza an entire neighborhood in busan and pay off their student loans or smth
fervent marlin
tranquil orbit
e.g. the sigma ones and her karaoke voiceline where she insinuates that she want...
Seemingly yes ... but also i think it's fair to say sombras moral code hasnt rly been tested too much
Like would she sell out sigma if it meant getting some rly good information
tacit flax
Who is the strongest overwatch member
tranquil orbit
She is inherently selfish it's just up in the air what priority she'd place over the other
rare trail
Who is the strongest overwatch member
winston
tranquil orbit
Who is the strongest overwatch member
Winton probably
tacit flax
Would he be stronger than orisa?
rare trail
we dont really know
tranquil orbit
Hard to say without evidence
But doomfist is actively scared of orisa
So shes no joke
desert yacht
Would he be stronger than orisa?
different strengths
desert yacht
no
tranquil orbit
Nah
desert yacht
her strength is her durability
tranquil orbit
Another character ppl havent rly mentioned is ram
In terms of power scaling
Theres not rly a lot of comparison for hjm either
rare trail
power scaling is bad i think
desert yacht
bc there's no material for ram on his own
tranquil orbit
But i reckon he beats doom 1v1
rare trail
and ramattra hasnt done anything
tranquil orbit
Yh tru
tranquil orbit
It will be for sure
rare trail
ehhh
tranquil orbit
Theres no way theyre passing up on making their first main villain for the new ow a 4 armed badass
desert yacht
not that good with dnd alignment how are we feeling
i should probably move ram like another quarter to the left
desert yacht
maybe
rare trail
we dont know like anything about what illari is currently doing no?
desert yacht
ashe is hard bc her entire thing is that she's rebelling against society and her parents and everything
but she has a great deal of honor and code within her gang
tranquil orbit
ashe is hard bc her entire thing is that she's rebelling against society and her...
Shes still selfish
tranquil orbit
Also hot take but junkrat is less evil than roadhog
desert yacht
i shouldve moved hog to the left