lore-discussion

[real zealot]

?

[golden oak]

I’d say similar because she’s shooting darts

Unless you mean her original gun

[silk lark]

She uses bullets to kill

He was experimented on in horizon lunar colony

[quick grail]

like what event? the non canon crappy pve?

[merry mason]

No, current events like what’s currently happening

[real zealot]

so hamham and winton is killers?

[golden oak]

I don’t think so
New gun is clearly a dart shooter
She just used 2 kinds of darts
Healing darts and poison darts I guess

[worthy rose]

So basically there was a pizza long time ago who formed overwatch to fight off the giant bagel and ever since they've been in a war just fighting but then the Mac and cheese came and RE formed overwatch Again and that's how we got overwatch 2 thank you very much for listening

[spare fox]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worn latch]

If ur gonna shitpost at least be funny 💔

[keen summit]

With her current rifle no, she shoots darts

Theyre injected with either healing fluid or the decay fluid moira also uses, she switches darts in lore before she shoots so she already planned if she heals or not before

The darts would hurt more in the head and likely would be lethal as its a type of poison or decomposing fluid, moira seems to use it foo

[spare fox]

no

Ana took Cass who was already a good shot under her wing

but Widowmaker shot out Ana's bionic eye and her injury resulted in her going MIA and presumed dead

that's an image edit

it's not real

it's either an edit or AI but it's not official art

Ana knew Amelie Lacroix through Gerard enough to recognize her, but I don't think they had any more of a relationship than that that we know of

there's no mention of her having any kind of expertise other than ballet prior to her kidnapping

just one day she was kidnapped, turned into a sleeper agent, then she was returned and killed Gerard (no mention of how), and she like killing so much she requested modifications to make her a better killer. Thus Moira/Talon had her heartrate slowed to make her a better sniper and that's why she's blue and a good shot

[golden oak]

Talon

She claims to be trained by “the best” In her interaction with Ashe

I mean that’s the only option
Militaries wouldn’t agree to train terrorists, would they?

I mean the only ties with the government that we know of was Antonio

I mean he had ties

Since doom had to escape jail and not get bailed out like Antonio, I don’t think he has any

[keen summit]

Vishkar us implied to not be about money

[teal spear]

The gang is what i trust.

[ruby raven]

hi

[hushed jetty]

the image is way too old to be ai

its been around for years

its just rly good fanart

[peak escarp]

it's old fanart

I know the one you're talking about

Amelie wasn't a sniper before Talon got their hands on her

[hushed jetty]

fun headcanon though

[dreamy shoal]

Can omnics feel emotions like happiness, anger, sadness, love? Stuff like that?

[peak escarp]

yes

[opaque tundra]

If Ramattra couldn’t feel then there would be no story missions

[twilit patrol]

Considering that Ramattra suffered by seeing his kind hated, yeah.

[twilit patrol]

And not even Null Sector attacks

[tropic sorrel]

Wsg people

[tranquil silo]

Is echo considered an omnic ?? Or is she just smt else?? I've been kinda confused abt it

[hushed jetty]

she's not an omnic technically

sometimes "omnic" is used as a catch all term for all the robots in the game but she's . not

she's like a really beefed up ai that can learn and copy really well

like if siri or chatgpt were really really good

but its mostly semantics imo since she isnt technically sentient but she might as well be to us

[tranquil silo]

ooohhh yeah alr I see I see

[native gulch]

Wait Echo isn’t sapient? Huh.

[hushed jetty]

i said sentient

idk if theyre synonyms

[native gulch]

Pretty sure they’re directly interchangeable

Though some people will say “sentient is able to perceive surroundings, sapient is true consciousness” or something

[hushed jetty]

i wouldve thought it was the other way around

[peak escarp]

most people do use them interchangeably, but they don't mean the same thing

sentient is able to perceive things, sapient means "having wisdom" or being able to think rationally

animals are sentient but not sapient (arguably; there have been sapience cases made for whales, gorillas, parrots, etc.)

[hushed jetty]

i imagine in the context of overwatch thats not what they mean bc then echo would be sentient i imagine

[peak escarp]

yeah

OW uses sentient to mean sapient

[worn latch]

Junkrat?? ☠️☠️☠️

ASHE???

Over widow????

Or Hammond

Or any of the omnics

Or ana

Even lifeweaver has more upsetting lore than ashe

Nah hammonds is worse than winstons

Did you read his short story?

Where he talks about growing up in the lunar colony?

The new short story in heroes ascendent makes his backstory seem way more upsetting

Ahh basically he grew up and was naturally a bit smarter than the rest of his family, and they kept doing experiments on him and he was removed from the rest of his family after a while. I'm pretty sure he talked about how much the experiments hurt him, and after a while he learned that his family was all dead

Recap

I might've missed stuff I speedran that story

Skill issue

All my homies hate junkrat

HES A PRETTY NERD

Mauga is ugly and stupid

I hope he dies

Nuh uh

Realistically lifeweaver would survive for quite a while he's been on the run from Vishkar for 11 years and he's still alive

11 years

Lifeweaver gets along with just about everyone I doubt they'd dislike each other

[sinful wolf]

Looks better than lw

Wifeleaver

[worn latch]

You don't have to lie

Lifeweaver is actually the most attractive character in the entire game

WHO looks better than lifeweaver? This dude?

Fanart?

Why would that count

Goofiest lifeweaver picture solos the best mauga picture you can capture

[peak escarp]

first off, who cares

second, attractiveness is subjective

[worn latch]

Third off mauga is ugly

[peak escarp]

LW doesn't do much for me

[worn latch]

He's beaitful

[peak escarp]

he's too femme

[worn latch]

Beautiful

Long hair

That's basically it tho

His facial structure is literally fantastical

And his head actually fits his body (unlike mauga)

[hushed jetty]

mauga's head being relatively small makes sense at least

his musculature grew bc of having two hearts, it wouldnt change the size of his head

[wind wind]

two mid people walk in a bar

maauga tho >

4 me

[worn latch]

He looks silly

[worn latch]

Mid where

[hushed jetty]

he Is silly

he's a silly guy

[worn latch]

Mauga would be the kinda guy to trip over a banana peel

[tacit yoke]

Hes the type with super high standards and be into himself more than you

[worn latch]

Lucio walks around wearing skates he's not slipping on anything his balance is crazy

[worn latch]

Tell me you don't understand his character without telling me you don't understand his character!!!

Lifeweaver is in no way selfish

skarss

[tacit yoke]

sorry im stereotyping

[worn latch]

Yes I can tell

Happens to every feminine queer man 😞

Canon event

[tacit yoke]

and he def a clean freak and takes 2 showers a day and brushes his teeth like 5 times those men exist

he gonna sanitize you before touching him

[worn latch]

Nah he's literally so messy and unorganized

Like that's canon

Symmetra is the one who's super cleanly

She openly stated that lifeweaver is the opposite of her in that aspect

Obviously he looks very put together but I doubt he's that clean

Not to mention the fact he's constantly around plants

So he's going to be getting down and dirty

[tacit yoke]

oh I didnt know that

then i take it back

but thats my canon idk gives him character to me

[worn latch]

Nah man I have a PhD in lifeweaverology

[worn latch]

That is called mischaracterizing!

[tacit yoke]

fine just clock me like that then

[hushed jetty]

lifeweaver is canonically kinda . gross LMFAO

not in a super bad way bro is just messy

like he left dishes in the sink n shit

[worn latch]

He was probably so disgusting in the academy while he was working constantly

[hushed jetty]

i just know his desk was awful

[tacit yoke]

thats so disappointing to me

what a shame

being an uptight clean freak >>>

[worn latch]

Sorry he's my special interest I feel physically ill whenever someone mischaracterizes him 💔

[worn latch]

That's symmetra

Her entire character really

[worn latch]

Bro def had coffee cups everywhere 😭

[tacit yoke]

I understand, fictional men are better than real men

[worn latch]

Lifeweaver is better than any man ever

Beautiful man

Literally jaw droppingly gorgeous fantastic amazing stunning beautiful everywhere he goes people stop and stare because he is literally just amazingly beautiful

[wind wind]

hm

[hushed jetty]

what is bro pondering

[worn latch]

Me

He's thinking about what bouquet to get for our anniversary

🙏

[tacit yoke]

idk i think hanzo better

[worn latch]

Hanzo is old and stinky

[tacit yoke]

well if he wasnt old

[pale mountain]

[tacit yoke]

lifeweaver old too girl i just looked and 30 elderly to me

i was gagged when i found out most heroes old

[hushed jetty]

over half the cast is over 30 man

[past copper]

Age ain’t nothin since people in Overwatch have longer lifespans

Medical science came a long way to make that happen

[worn latch]

Literally there's like 5 characters under the age of 30

What kind of accomplished adult isn't below 30

Like these are world renowned scientists and inventors it's difficult to get that early on in your life

Junk is the only male character I can think of below 30

Oh wait

He might be 30

Isn't Lucio 29

[hushed jetty]

lucio is 29 ish yeah

ramattra is 28

[worn latch]

Ramattra feels like a 40 year old man to me

[hushed jetty]

lmfao

no ur right

he just Feels old

[keen summit]

murder

[golden oak]

It’s the trauma

[golden oak]

They’re not, it’s just perspective

[merry mason]

Remember that as an omnic he was built with all of his faculties fully “grown” so in a way he is in his 40s

[merry mason]

How old did you think they are?

[worn latch]

Taurus lifeweaver

Honestly I think of older characters to be in their late 40s and older

30 isn't old

[peak escarp]

we're lacking in male heroes under 35 and female heroes over 45

[hushed jetty]

how old do you think venture will be

[merry token]

IMO maybe mid to late 20s?

I feel like whoever designed them was going for a more “youthful” look cause of their gap toothed grin

[worn latch]

Yeah they definitely look younger

[spare fox]

I'm gonna guess around 30, give or take a couple years

[peak escarp]

that seems about right

[native gulch]

Wait, Illari’s 18?

Wow

[peak escarp]

she's the youngest human hero

[worn latch]

Poor girl 🙁

[peak escarp]

to make it worse, it's likely that the solar threading ceremony happened on the longest day of the year, which in the southern hemisphere is Dec 21...

[hushed jetty]

it's entirely possible that it happened on the day she turned 18

which is awful

[peak escarp]

no wonder she carries so much guilt

I want more of her story

she's the only hero we don't have an up to date location for (as of Invasion)

[golden oak]

Mauga update!

[hushed jetty]

i need a hero to have my birthday one day

[golden oak]

Im kinda offended genji is closest to my birthday

[peak escarp]

I'm between Widow and Zarya

[hushed jetty]

soldier is 3 days after me

[golden oak]

How they chose their birthdays? Randomly?

[peak escarp]

idk

you'd have to ask the writers

[merry token]

Got lifeweaver’a birthday

[hushed jetty]

i presume it isnt random

thatd be odd

[golden oak]

Junkrat being Feb 29 was definitely intentional but what about the rest

[worn latch]

Hi

Lifeweaver mention

Lifeweaver

Lifeewbevvvacerr

Ehegegegegegwgw

[hushed jetty]

i imagine illari being born on a solstice was intentional

as well as ana and sombra being news years eve and day

[golden oak]

Yeah but why Sombra and Ana

[hushed jetty]

shrugs

[golden oak]

I would put torb dec 31 and brig Jan 1 bc
Father and daughter

[sinful wolf]

Every. Single. Character

[peak escarp]

he's 1 year older than me

[bleak shell]

the magic of science

[worn latch]

Magic of overwatch struggling to make any female characters look their age

[peak escarp]

Overwatch's style does make everyone look a little younger

but they look fine

women don't look drastically older once they hit 40

Moira absolutely does not look like she's in her 20s

she's got greying hair and crows feet

[wind wind]

same i hope we get more

[worn latch]

I love how they kept Moira graying

Cuz there's no way she would ever care enough to cover it up ☠️☠️

[peak escarp]

most people don't start greying in their late 30s

I'm in my late 30s

[worn latch]

Ay u never know

Some people have the genee

[peak escarp]

some people, sure

but you can't make a general assumption that people in their late 30s have greying hair

particularly people with red hair are resistant to greying - the stress of Moira's self experiments probably accelerated her greying

which cancels out the redhead resistance

[worn latch]

How was it an assumption

[peak escarp]

I don't mean you

the person guessing she was in her late 30s because she has greying hair

[wind wind]

are they?

huh

Lucky reddies

[peak escarp]

my mom is 64 and only has a few strands of grey

she's got red hair

I wish I had gotten red hair

[worn latch]

Why

No one wants to be ginger

[wind wind]

I mean... I do like there hair

[worn latch]

You're the minority in that

[peak escarp]

that's two

[worn latch]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-sheeran-ed-sheeran-funny-ginger-edward-sheer-gif-22746472

Average ginger

[peak escarp]

rude

[bleak shell]

[worn latch]

Ermmm that's not lore...

Banned

[peak escarp]

Rein, Sigma and JQ

7'3"

I forgot Bastion

[worn latch]

Yeah I think mauga is up there with rein

Orisa is tall it's low-key scary

U give off 5'3

[peak escarp]

5'3" sounds tall to me

I'm 4'11"

[hushed jetty]

im pretty sure mauga is visibly taller than bastion

sigma's gotta be like 8 feet without floating its ridiculous

[worn latch]

Ur cooked

COOKED

[wind wind]

SHORT

[wind wind]

holy

[hushed jetty]

I'm 5 feet flat, only mfs i got on my side are lucio and torb

something like that presumably

medically, dwarfism is like shorter than 4'10 or so

[worn latch]

I'm 5'11

[hushed jetty]

i think

[worn latch]

I'm a freshman

[bleak shell]

I'm 5'9

[spare fox]

I feel like that's not that tall for a male ? Am I crazy?

It's not short but like a normal height ig

[worn latch]

Hes 6'5

[worn latch]

I'm not a guy

[spare fox]

Ah yeah thats p tall then

[worn latch]

I'm aware 😞

He's not even the tallest my uncle is around 6'7

My mom's 5'9 about

BRO 😭😭

5'11 ain't even that tall 😭😭

Absolutely

Dmg boosted thorns go so hard

Uhmmm 7 I think?

[hushed jetty]

like 5

[worn latch]

No it's 8

[hushed jetty]

i might be a liar

its more than 3

[worn latch]

I checked

[hushed jetty]

are you counting the grandkids

[worn latch]

No

[hushed jetty]

oug
what is that from

[worn latch]

Idk

Google

[peak escarp]

Torbjorn has 4 named children

Marta, Nils, Elvira and Brigitte

he has 8+ grandchildren

the children seen here are his grandchildren (and Brigitte)

don't trust google for your answers

Marta is a writer, Elvira is a neurosurgeon, Nils is an artist

[drifting viper]

Brig doesnt get paid

Shes the disappointment of the family

Neither does nils probably

Or marta

Torb is the biggest winner in overwatch since he retired

All the other old characters have sad lives

[spare fox]

Marta's a pretty famous author of a weird paranormal romantasy series so she's probably doing pretty good

it seems like it's some faux-Twilight and ACOTAR mashup homage

[worn latch]

Man they always take away her muscles

Who's stick figure is that

😭😭

[peak escarp]

that was before she had muscles

[worn latch]

🙅‍♂️

Nuh uh

Her face reminds me of that one panel

[peak escarp]

she was a twig in her first appearance

[worn latch]

She looks so goofy I hope they never draw her like that again

U right tho

I just assumed she always worked out

[peak escarp]

she wasn't planned to be a hero back then

[tacit yoke]

5 out of 30 im still in shock is this playerbase mostly old guys (im not baiting im fr)

[zenith mango]

Wait so I just found one of the hero ascendant short stories on the Overwatch website thing

Will they eventually post all the stories there?

[worn latch]

No

[tacit yoke]

then whats the lore on them being old af

im not an ageist kitty im just curious

[hushed jetty]

the omnic crisis happened like 30 years ago and most characters were alive during the crisis

its that simple really

[tacit yoke]

so you saying its random people random ages

will we ever get a child

[worn latch]

No

Like we genuinely cant

It would mess with the ratings

[worthy rose]

I feel her absorbing my soul 😭

[worn latch]

She's so terrifying in the comics

[hushed jetty]

illari is 18, thats close enough

[worthy rose]

If I remember correctly Dva was a child in ow1

Like not child child

But like 17

[peak escarp]

she was 19

[worthy rose]

Ah

Why did you just pop up 😭

[peak escarp]

I'm always here

watching

[worn latch]

🙁😥

[worthy rose]

Oh! That's very...!

[peak escarp]

[worn latch]

And especially with the fan base I doubt they'd ever make a child character knowing the type of stuff would be made about it

[hushed jetty]

bro is sombra

[hushed jetty]

yeah .....

[tacit yoke]

thats what I was thinking

[worthy rose]

Very true.

[tacit yoke]

yall an interesting community

[worn latch]

Like even a child mentioned (the girl from soldiers cinematic) gets weird stuff made about them

And also children revolving around violence gets really strange

[tacit yoke]

I see the way people talk ab that hamster on twitter its not safe to add a kid

[worn latch]

Hammond 🙁😞

My boy

[tacit yoke]

that poor thing

[zenith mango]

Wait so I just found one of the hero ascendant short stories on the Overwatch website thing. Will they post more of them there?

@peak escarp I call upon thee, heed my call and loreify me

[peak escarp]

they might

we don't know

[zenith mango]

Also for anyone wondering that’s how we summon The Warlored

[peak escarp]

unless I'm sleeping or at work

[spare fox]

Where do you think JQ and WB's first stop on their "road trip" will be?

Surely Junkrat and Roadhog will stowaway.. at least I hope. They did them so dirty at the end of Friendly Rivalry!

[languid arrow]

wait what’s orisas backstory

[peak escarp]

she was made by an 11-year-old genius to be the defender of Numbani after Doomfist smashed it up

[tacit yoke]

@worn latch i just bought lw the skin in your pfp

idk how to play him tho they gonna yell at me i fear

[languid arrow]

ty

[worn latch]

Harbinger?

[worn latch]

I'll teach u pookie (I'm not good at him either)

[tacit yoke]

omg i just went against another one and he was cracked thats my inspo right there

is he like moira where you do both

[tacit yoke]

ya that one his second best

[worn latch]

Yes, you should definitely be healing more than dmging because dps lifeweaver doesn't usually work out well, but don't be afraid to pull out your weapon (if that's what you mean)

[tacit yoke]

ok ty and what do you use the lift thing for

[spare fox]

Use it for lifting ulting players
Enemies: orisa and Rein
Teammates: cass and soldier

Or just getting up to high places on the map

[tacit yoke]

i dont think hes for me its been a journey 😭

i go to bed now I got church at 6 am

[royal helm]

trolling

[tacit yoke]

can someone tell me the lore on widow why she fused with a spider

i obsessed with her and just wondering why she like that

she remind me of a monster high doll

[tired tartan]

Black widow is a spider and widow is term when woman lost her husband

[past copper]

That’s not even remotely close to what happened

[hushed jetty]

would be a crazy plot twist though wouldnt it

[past copper]

Amélie Lacroix the wife of Gérard Lacroix was kidnapped by Talon for a period of time

Until Overwatch managed to track them down and bring her home

Unknown to everyone, Talon had done something to Amélie that made her kill her husband and disappear again. Never to be seen or heard from for years

Upon returning to Talon, they’d slowed down her heart to make her the perfect killer with no emotion, which had the small side effect of turning her skin blue

[tacit yoke]

oh wow ..

I was thinking she was like spider man or fused with it oop

[charred estuary]

Dang this ow lore is crazy

[worn latch]

Fr bro

[past copper]

Only if you wanna see Disney suits

So much as use something of theirs without perms and you face their wrath XD

Probably why Blizzard makes it a point to make sure their heroes are completely unique and nothing like the same old DC or Marvel heroes

[dreamy shoal]

So what is orisa supposed to be? A cow? A horse? A bull? A centaur?

[tacit yoke]

Disney don't own that shit as long as you don't call her spider woman

and blizzard had a 3 billion net worth they can afford that if it came to it

[peak escarp]

a water buffalo

[golden oak]

Makes sense, but will always be a horse to me

[golden oak]

Or they could just collab

Honestly I’m surprised overwatch didn’t collab with Marvel/DC yet

[past copper]

Bc Blizzard aren’t like the creators of Fortnite. Selling out to conglomerate entertainment companies just to keep their game alive

No offense to anyone who plays Fortnite

That, and in terms of Disney, it’s literally their way or the high way if you work with them

[empty jacinth]

Isn’t that like the ceos new thing

Selling out to (story mode) keep their game (story mode) alive for money (story mode story mode is a scam)

[native gulch]

Not what happened but Widowmaker Spider-Woman ala Miguel O’Hara would be wild

[peak escarp]

what

[empty jacinth]

I want more story mode 😞

[peak escarp]

we all want more story mode

doesn't make it a scam

it hasn't been cancelled

[empty jacinth]

Why no story mode

[past copper]

Do you know how long it takes to write, build, and design everything that goes into the story mode?

[empty jacinth]

The games been out for a bit add new missions please thanks

[past copper]

Here’s you an idea how long it takes to write the story alone

30,000 – 50,000 words: 500 words/day = 60 – 100 days.
50,000 – 80,000 words: 500 words/day = 100 – 160 days.
80,000 – 100,000 words: 500 words/day = 160 – 200 days.

That’s not even counting the hours having to build, design, and animate the heroes, the enemies, and the map all together

[dusty snow]

long enough they could have made it between overwatch 1 and 2 /j

[native gulch]

Cutscenes, concept art, storyboarding

Actual coding to implement access

[empty jacinth]

It’s been a hundred thirty eight days so they have that down

[native gulch]

And monetization, for that matter

Of course the actual coding being done should take significantly less time and is probably done by an entirely separate team than the writers and character designers

[past copper]

Yup. Seriously, only people with 0 understanding in game design or anything that actually takes time

Don’t know how long this stuff takes

[peak escarp]

and even if you have all that, you have to wait for the higher-ups to say "yes, put that in the game"

[native gulch]

Oh yeah and the corporate bureaucracy nonsense

Can’t forget about that

[empty jacinth]

Damn

[past copper]

People need to think like this. It takes time to create a series. It takes time to film a movie. And it takes a lot of time to make a continuously updated game

[empty jacinth]

No new mission

[native gulch]

You ever tried DMing for a TTRPG table? Doing that for a bit should give you even an inkling of what kind of effort and time they put into this

[empty jacinth]

No what’s ttrpg

I’ve dm’d dnd

[past copper]

Not everything can be done as fast like a fake artist typing into a AI to make a picture for them

[native gulch]

Maybe not even an inkling, like that’s probably less than 1% the kind of thing they’re doing

[native gulch]

Tabletop roleplaying game

Such as DND, Pathfinder, Lancer

Blades in the Dark

[empty jacinth]

Well then yea I have

For the most part on the fly it’s not too hard but then again the only story I’ve had to do that with was with my brother

[errant pike]

diva + widowmaker fanfiction...go

I aim to devestate...your clit

[hushed jetty]

...ew.

[peak escarp]

NSFW is not allowed

[golden oak]

Um they had suravasa mission in the works before ow2 was even announced

[night elbow]

Newbie reporting. Want to make more friends

[golden oak]

If that was years ago, then it should be done already

[peak escarp]

it probably is

as for why we don't have it yet... 🤷‍♀️

blame Kotick

[hushed jetty]

im hoping and coping that theyre remastering all the missions for higher standards based on what they did with cosmic crisis and that halloween mode we got a while ago, including the invasion ones and archives

but this is HARD cope

[spare fox]

me too 😩 it's also getting harder and harder to hope about the dev update on the 19th

it's been mentioned by two content creators now that future PvE is likely back-burnered or scrapped, though I'm pretty sure neither of those ccs were at the recent summit at blizzard so

idk, it's just discouraging that two of them have brought it up even though nothing is officially confirmed

[peak escarp]

it's just speculation

[hushed jetty]

dev update will at least give us venture news (and presumably the date of the test weekend) and the mythic changes they mentioned at blizzcon

and "more"

only 36 hours left... hgnghngh....

[worn latch]

I'm so excited for venture

Might honestly ditch lifeweaver for them

[golden oak]

So it looks like we’ll get pve missions once a year (at least a year)

[hushed jetty]

thatd make sense, thats what im hoping for

something like every 6 seasons maybe

[spare fox]

Source for this?

[golden oak]

My speculations lmao

[spare fox]

Here's hoping

[golden oak]

Very hopeful speculations

Once a year would be nice but might not be reality

[spare fox]

Though it did take them what like 6 years to come up with the 3 we got so... 🙃

[past copper]

To be fair, between a dick for a CEO holding them back and a number of suits (many connected with said CEO), and recently a significant number of layoffs

It’s no wonder progress was and probably still is slowed down significantly

[keen summit]

I mean, ccs often just spread misinformed information cuz the negative vids gain attention

[spare fox]

true

[keen summit]

Look at stylosa making a "wtf monetisation!" Video every season, maybe 2 per season

No new comments just the same stuff said again

[past copper]

Honestly, you should never trust content creators on games

They will make vids on anything on a game if it means they get views out of it

[spare fox]

ugh stylosa

On the one hand I like him enough but he really should move on from overwatch

I love how lately his ow vids are like "NO ONE CARES about PvE" and then he's obsessed with HD2 and has been posting vids on it

Like my guy that's PvE

[past copper]

Yea, well Stylosa will say and post whatever to keep his channel alive

He’s just one of many examples of ALL gaming content creators

Fr, he’s almost up there with Dream

[keen summit]

I liked him cuz hexwas down to earth, now every sibgle vid is basically just "blizzard what are you doing"

Never goving credit when a gpod change happens

[spare fox]

yeah I agree to the point where a bit ago I was saying "ok bro I think you need a break" and now I don't really watch them much if at all anymore

I have been liking Omnic Post much more, though he's not the quickest on reporting (he's still pretty new)

he seems to actually love the game/franchise

[keen summit]

It just is obvious most do those thingsfor content, i once saw pneof those many im leaving overwatch post just to see that the next day they just posted overwatch again etc

[keen summit]

whoever is constantly sending server invites, send it to me

[civic vault]

what is genjis black watch mask used for?

[keen summit]

to hide his disfigured face

[keen summit]

not again

[next jewel]

Is it canon that Roadhog doesn't seem to fear Overwatch or Talon? Because in game he can say "More like Over-rated laughing" (Overwatch member present) and "Oh no, it's Talon! laughs" (Talon member present)

[keen summit]

i mean

makes sense

hog didnt even care bout his execution and stayed calm during it\

[worn latch]

Hog is just "😐" all the time

Man feels nothing

[spare fox]

He's seen the apocalypse. He is the apocalypse. The man gives zero effs

[peak escarp]

what

[golden oak]

Because both overwatch and talon don’t really care about him?
Overwatch has more important issues than chasing criminals and talon I guess I could see them trying to get Roadhog to join them but idk

[prime fossil]

Roadhog is rn redundant to the story

Only thing is that he loves Ana

[worn latch]

Real

Who doesn't love ana

(Widowmaker doesn't exist)

[quick grail]

well goodbye overwatch 2, literally no reason to exist anymore https://kotaku.com/overwatch-2-story-missions-campaign-canceled-blizzard-1851345720

we may just come back to 6vs6 and bring back assault at least if ow2 was never going to be made

[past copper]

Wow. A site known for relying on clickbait to get people to read anything they post. How very reliable

[native gulch]

Indeed…

[past copper]

Note how they don't use any employee names either. Not even Kellar's name is on it

[quick grail]

Every video game site uses click bait, every single one, but click bait usually isn't as elaborated, I trust more kotaku than ow developers who keep saying big things are coming for ow and pve is still on te works

[empty jacinth]

I hope they compensate the people who spent money buying those

[quick grail]

Fuck their scam monetization and missions, I will never pay for anything

[empty jacinth]

I enjoyed them though there was like no one to play with

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[peak escarp]

they got what they paid for

[empty jacinth]

No

[quick grail]

40 min of gameplay and 15 of story, 4 years in development

[empty jacinth]

If they cancel missions then we didn’t get everything we played for

[wind wind]

can you even still get the lore reg role

[empty jacinth]

Payed*

[peak escarp]

they're not going to remove the missions from the game

you didn't pay for future missions

[empty jacinth]

Idk if they do actually cancel it though it’s a missed opportunity to have you play through the (or a) story which is probably very good

Idk

[peak escarp]

I agree with that

all that matters is that the lore will continue

in whatever form

short stories, animations, origin stories, etc.

[empty jacinth]

I’d react with 💯 but they don’t allow it

[merry token]

You just don’t have react perms

[native gulch]

Yeah just stick around

You get image and react perms quickly enough

[spare fox]

I had them but they were removed. Did I do something wrong or do they just decay?

[quick grail]

I don't k ow if this is inspiring or naive or anything, they cancelled pve in 2021 or 2022 and still haven't done anything to move thf plot

[spare fox]

They just need to make a mini series, or a bunch of mini series. It doesn't need to be a full blown spectacular drama like Arcane

[spare fox]

They just released 2 books

And a short came out in December

[peak escarp]

they moved the plot forward with the Invasion missions and the recent Heroes Ascended book

[quick grail]

Side stories that couldn't matter at all

[peak escarp]

literally the main plot

pay attention

[quick grail]

Tell me more about it

What plot

Another scam, paying to get the plot

[spare fox]

Wdym side stories? That IS the story

[peak escarp]

Null Sector's invasion of the world and Overwatch's respons to their attack

that's the main plot

[spare fox]

Ok you're just being contrarian bc you want to be negative

[quick grail]

Tell what happens, how the menace of null sector or talon, remember talon was the main enemy?, is fight

[spare fox]

Heroes Ascendent is the story of how various heroes each grapple with internal and past conflicts while they are confronted with the Null Sector invasion

[peak escarp]

you don't even need to pay to see the story, people have uploaded it on youtube

[quick grail]

But what happens

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/fDIHDuKcwRM
https://youtu.be/ldZVlp4dFtg
https://youtu.be/tGIU1Hcla_k

[quick grail]

That's not the book, is the scam missions of only 20 of plot that goes to nowhere because ends on a cliffhanger that will never be resolved

[peak escarp]

why are you here

[native gulch]

Trolling

Just mute ‘im

Default discord pfp lookin

[quick grail]

So, nothing happens in the book?

[peak escarp]

heroes fight Null Sector

like spookycakes already told you

[quick grail]

But what else? Anything important, meaningful, anc, character meets another character, any step forward to stop null, sector? Or just a random encounter thst ads nothing and is like I said a side story?

[prime fossil]

So they actually cancelled the campaing fully ? ? ?

[peak escarp]

I'm not going to spoil the entire book here because you don't care enough to read it yourself

yes heroes meet each other, discoveries are made, important things happen

but if you want to know the details, read the stories yourself

you probably don't even have to buy the book, someone has probably uploaded the whole thing online already

[prime fossil]

I cant paste the picture here

https://www.amazon.com/Overwatch-Anthology-1-BLIZZARD-ENTERTAINMENT/dp/1506705405

This book ?

[peak escarp]

https://www.amazon.com/Overwatch-Heroes-Ascendant-Story-Collection/dp/195691630X

this one

[prime fossil]

Damn theres 2 books ?

Is the 1st one cannon or not

[peak escarp]

they 're both canon

the Anthology is just a bunch of the comics put into a book

you can read them for free on the Overwatch website

[prime fossil]

Ill buy them

I love hard covers

maybe with the money from them they could make A STORY MODE

[peak escarp]

if only

[quick grail]

Since 2021 or 2022

[quick grail]

I care to read it, but I'm not going to pay to get thing that should be free on the game and still I'm not going to give money to blizzard

Is a lore channel and don't want to talk about lore, spoil me, tell me about this lore, if really something is happening what's the problem?

[peak escarp]

you're spreading misinformation and being a general nuisance

like I said, if you look hard enough you can find it for free online

I'm not going to spoonfeed you the entire lore

if this continues you will be muted

final warning

[prime fossil]

So sad, game with such good lore, addicting design, awesome character is owned by Activision. The battle pass / skin shop addicts

[peak escarp]

?

[prime fossil]

Activision owns blizzard ye ?

[peak escarp]

yes

[prime fossil]

so they have the main saying in stuff

[peak escarp]

they're not the first to add battlepasses

and not even the worst ones

[prime fossil]

I know but they're forcing it into everything.

[peak escarp]

every major multiplayer game has a battlepass

[prime fossil]

Just wish OW got bought by something else

[peak escarp]

they're not forcing anything, they're following a trend

if you want to blame anyone for battlepasses, blame Fortnite

[prime fossil]

I do

LITERALLY

[peak escarp]

but anyway, this isn't lore

[quick grail]

@prime fossil I post a link, better source than anything blizzard have talked about the pve because they literally have said nothing about the pve, lack of information, an article saying is pretty much cancelled, confirmed, I really don't know what you expect to happen, like blizzard will relase what?

[peak escarp]

the article does not say PvE is cancelled "confirmed"

it says the future is uncertain

[spare fox]

And you're just saying it's better than Blizzard bc it's confirming your doomer bias. Listen to yourself. You're saying the doomer clickbait article with unconfirmed rumor sources is better than the actual first source

[past copper]

Seriously, just mute or ban this doomer troll

They’ll say anything regardless of having facts or not

They think they’re always right and entitled to everything in regards to Overwatch

I really would not be surprised if this guy was Stylosa himself the way he talks

[quick grail]

really, i got a wanrning about trolling? good thing this is about serious discussions

[quick grail]

kotaku has lied to me less than blizzard, the clickbait of kotaku is the same clickbait of blizzard "big things are coming, lets make a great game, we listen feedback, we can talk about pve because is a big surprise"

[quick grail]

who?

[spare fox]

Yup you uncovered it. It's all a scam and Blizzard is lying to you and wants you to be miserable. That's how they're making all that money.

[quick grail]

225 million sound like a lot but for blizzard it isnt, ow1 made one billion in the same time

[viral tendon]

Wasn’t ow1 costing money though?

[quick grail]

yeah, the price of two skins or one skin if the game was on disscount, pay once and get 6 years of free constant content

[viral tendon]

Oh makes sense, the skins like the recolour kiriko skin are ridiculously overpriced

[keen summit]

The thing is this isn't even special mate, ow2 monetization is the average

honestly, jq was very fun in friendly rivalry

[viral tendon]

It’s severely overpriced, I’m not sure about other games but if we’re going on 0 coins in game it would cost 14$ AUD (10$ish USD) for a battle pass, plus the collabs which are like 50-60$ AUD just all together plus simple recolours being 1000 is legitimately insane

[keen summit]

alright, all bps are practically 10 dollar, next up the collab skins if u get them all if u use the original value would be 100, then discounted to 50, which again means 10 per skin which is lower than most games.
for example: elite skins r6 + 15-20 dollar
apex skin: 20-25 to 150+ for heirlooms
valorant: 10 for recolour to 25 for change, can go up to 50

its not overpriced, why? cuz in its own genre its the norm

[viral tendon]

I think the worse part is 50ish$ <aud> collabs In the genre are normalised even with things like apex n league being costly the skins are usually really worth it and not really shitty recolours

Then again I haven’t played Apex or League in a couple weeks

[keen summit]

thing is, they sell recolours for 10 too

just rn, theres an active event with ONLY recoulours u can buy

and a recolour heirloom for u guessed it 150+ euro

so your choice, 150+ dollar recoulour or what ow has

[viral tendon]

Shittt damn I haven’t played either in like 2 months what happened lmao

[keen summit]

theyve been selling recolours like that a while

[spare fox]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[keen summit]

why would it be zarya

it depends on what u see as smartest

it would likely be between sigma when sane, doom strategist or moira and lw for science

not really

shes not dumb

but not like SUPER SMART

no.

she has a toblestein

toblesteins were sigmas rivals

they caused sigma to rush his research

which well, caused the accident

not zarya, she simply uses the gun.

efi is not to be forgotten

zarya could track down sombra tho

but sigma atm, we cant really say

doomfist is insanely smart in tactics, same with ram, ram is smart too

but it would likely be between lw moira

lw created biological life

like

light that is legit alive basically

moira is also very smart tho

his biolight is natural material that he can just create

thing is, like TONS of heroes are VERY smart

hammond too, winston too

and mercy

mercy is also up there

yeah, winston

and soldier

hammond too

even hog

yep

but not as good as those

jq but shes also reckless

and dumb mostly

dva too

except mauga is actually smart

mauga acts dumb

jq is dumb

oh and cant forget sojourn for strategy

she was often a commander

[peak escarp]

Overwatch has several heroes with genius-level intellects

[worn latch]

I think that the difference between Moira and weaver is that most of moira's accomplishments were in her adulthood, but lifeweaver made biolight before he was 20

[keen summit]

but its very hard to say anything bout BEST strategist, or smartest or whatever

[peak escarp]

Sigma, Mercy, Winston, Hammond, Lifeweaver

plus Efi as an honorable mention

[worn latch]

31

[keen summit]

yeah, and moira was mainly based seemingly on existing research

[keen summit]

yeah i said about her too, she might be the smartest just cause she could do that at age 11-12

[keen summit]

efi in that part is by far the smartest

[peak escarp]

13 and already designing and programming robots? kid's a genius

[worn latch]

In the short story it's confirmed that he was 20 when he left the academy, so he also made biolight when 1. He was most likely a minor and 2. Between schoolwork and all of the other things Vishkar probably had him doing

[keen summit]

not to mention one that could go toe to toe with doom

[worn latch]

Absolutely she is

I can't wait to see what other stuff she is

Does

Wtf

[keen summit]

sadly she is unimportant

[worn latch]

🙁

[keen summit]

but efi id call smartest for like, potential

[worn latch]

Yes definitely

[peak escarp]

the Orisa story in HA implied that they will join Overwatch, so we'll have to see if that happens

[worn latch]

She'll have to be an adult first

How old is she now?

[peak escarp]

13

[worn latch]

Damn

[keen summit]

cuz atm shes not as smart as say the others. but if she keeps learning she'll be the smartest

[peak escarp]

she wouldn't be doing combat missions

that would just be Orisa

[keen summit]

havent had that to read yet

[peak escarp]

but she could consult for Overwatch

[worn latch]

Young Sheldon ass

[peak escarp]

genius children often get special privileges

[keen summit]

tbh, efi seems to have it all

[peak escarp]

none of the heroes are really stupid - even Junkrat, who seems stupid, is smart enough to build his own explosives

[keen summit]

she has emotional, engineering, scientific (understood toblestein reactor) and strategy as orisa ofcourse needs to have been taught how to fight

[worn latch]

I really don't think junkrat even comes off as that stupid, he's just loud and not socially intelligent... Like look at the way he talks

I can't spell wtf

[keen summit]

well hes also a bit stupid

i mean

his cinematic

jq is kinda dumb tho, but she can remember stuff n all

[peak escarp]

she has social smarts

she knows how to get people to follow her

[keen summit]

thing is, jq is like the average intelligence

like a person who knows how to talk etc

shes not super smart, but shes liek a normal person

but it comes off as compaaritevely not smart cuz all others are kinda

well widow is the same

and leading

leading

being a leader

reaper mightve been the dumbest actually

yeah

reaper seems the dumbest

[worn latch]

I feel like queen seems a lot smarter in her cinematic but they dumbed her down in game

[keen summit]

he has barely any tactics, just shoot. in most of his fights that is

[worn latch]

Which happens a lot with their characters, where they overplay one key aspect of a personality

[keen summit]

he has been bested multiple times

[keen summit]

even there shes not exactly dumb

[worn latch]

In his defense monkey has plot armor

[peak escarp]

the in-game dialogue does play up the haha dumb musclehead aspect

[worn latch]

I CANT SPELLLL

[keen summit]

id say reaper would be the dumbest, as he also often was well too rash

[keen summit]

look at reaper in mauga cinematic

[worn latch]

Same w Kiriko and being sassy and snarky

[keen summit]

hes constantly trying to shoot mauga

[worn latch]

Reapers just a silly feller

[keen summit]

yeah im fine with calling reaper the dumbest

[worn latch]

Over rein?

[keen summit]

does that mean hes an idiot? no.

[worn latch]

Genuine question

[keen summit]

actually yeah forgot bout him

rein is actually an idiot, but means well

[peak escarp]

all the heroes are a lot more nuanced in the text than in the game

[worn latch]

Himbo

[worn latch]

This is why I struggled getting a real grasp of dvas personality

She seems so different in her cinematic to me

[keen summit]

dvas problem is that she seemingly has 3 characters

[worn latch]

Yeahh

[keen summit]

comic dva is slightly different from cinematic dva, we never get aluded to her actually fixing her own mech further. and dva in game is a dumb gamer girl

yet she fixes her own mech

she still had to instruct him what to do

nope

[worn latch]

Yeah I wouldn't say dva is stupid

She's also a child basically

[peak escarp]

they're both shown working on it in Shooting Star

[keen summit]

shes the "overworked self sufficient" girl

[worn latch]

She's going to act like a young adult would act

[keen summit]

i know

[peak escarp]

she was forced to mature quickly

[worn latch]

Bro doesn't seem very mature in game 😭

[keen summit]

my gripe with dva truly is how she just cant stay consistent

[worn latch]

FORREAL

Same with kiriko at times

[keen summit]

the best written ones are those who stay consistent imho

atleast ingame

[worn latch]

That's why I like symmetra

She's written very well to me

[keen summit]

for in game writing i want them to stay consistent

[peak escarp]

Symmetra is very well written

and they don't downplay her autism

[keen summit]

like we have in game for dva a voiceline about her being overworked, and a line for "i prepped all night for this mission, oh and maybe gamed a little too :3"

[keen summit]

nor make it her entire character

[peak escarp]

yes

[keen summit]

they make it not be quirky, but just part of symmetra

[peak escarp]

it's handled well

[keen summit]

cuz lots of games would make it well, their thing

not just games, but shows too

[worn latch]

YES!!! this was my favorite thing in her new short story they go out and say it, like they don't hide behind it or anything they full on say "her autism". And also they talk about how it actually disables her with all her sensory issues

Ah it's great

And I like the detail about her stimming too

[keen summit]

it shows sym as an actual good representation of it

[peak escarp]

and the way Lifeweaver respects and accommodates her sensory issues, offering a private car on the hypertrain

[worn latch]

Sym is one of the best written autistic characters to me

[worn latch]

FORREAL

And he also encouraged her stimming

[keen summit]

agreed, shes great

[worn latch]

🙁🙁🙁🙁 I love them

[keen summit]

ive actually not given sym enough credit

[worn latch]

Her routines and her strong sense of moral code and being very monotone and less understanding of social niceties

She's so me

[keen summit]

cuz again, my biggest criteria for writing is consistency and being able to kinda understand them, maybe guess how theyd react to certain situations

and sym does that very well too

[worn latch]

Mhm

[peak escarp]

the really impressive part is that Symmetra is so well written and consistent across multiple authors

[worn latch]

Fr

[keen summit]

ngl from what ive read ascendant is really good

[worn latch]

I think that it's just because she's so consistent in and out of game that it's easier to write her

[worn latch]

So good

[peak escarp]

Ascendant is excellent

[keen summit]

ive read the junkers one and was hooked

[peak escarp]

it fills in what everyone else was doing during Invasion

[worn latch]

Hopefully we will get more lifeweaver stuff next book (I'm praying y'all)

[peak escarp]

well, everyone except Illari and Sigma

[keen summit]

yeah

[worn latch]

Illari 😞

[keen summit]

but tbf, atp its expected

hopefully peru map wil ldrop soon

[worn latch]

Imagine like the ruined and burned landscape of where it happened being in the map

[keen summit]

atm illari is just like the tree in a play

[peak escarp]

I want to see Illari find peace and forgive herself for what happened

it wasn't your fault girl

[keen summit]

personally my hopes is that its with that crater and talon equipment close, meaning talon found out

and they might be hunting her down

[worn latch]

I think lifeweaver and illari should meet he could help her heal better than any other characters

[peak escarp]

I think her and Hanzo could bond over self-loathing 😛

[keen summit]

i love how im all like "i hope talon will use her like a bomb for story beat for her" and you are like "make her accept it wasnt her fault"

[worn latch]

Free my girl

She did no wrong

[peak escarp]

we don't even know if that explosion is something she can do again

[keen summit]

cuz i want it to be more complicated than what i predict aka, join overwatch, saving people and hearing it wasnt her fault, eventually accepting it

[peak escarp]

or if it was just a malfunction of the solar threading apparatus

[worn latch]

Fr

[keen summit]

obv, so talon would want to try to recreate it hence all the moira voice lines

[worn latch]

I'd be disappointed if she joined overwatch tbh

[keen summit]

maybe they want to make solar threading thing again to make her a litereral bomb

that wasnt truely her fault either

its like overcharging a battery and then telling the battery it was bad cuz it blew up

[peak escarp]

average

[worn latch]

Battle iq seems high in that aspect she was a prodigy

[peak escarp]

she hasn't really shown any genius level intellect

[worn latch]

But regularly she seems average

[keen summit]

illari just is a girl who has studied

but again, theres very few interactions about any type of intellect

[peak escarp]

genius level intellect: Lifeweaver, Mei, Mercy, Moira, Sigma, Winston, Hammond
tactical genius: Ana, Doomfist, Junker Queen, Reaper, Sojourn, Soldier 76
street smarts: Ashe, Baptiste, Cassidy, Kiriko, Lucio, Pharah
worked hard to get good: D.Va, Illari, Sombra, Symmetra, Tracer, Widowmaker, Torbjorn
average intelligence: Brigitte, Genji, Hanzo, Reinhardt, Roadhog, Zarya
robot: Bastion, Echo, Orisa, Ramattra, Zenyatta
smarter than they look: Mauga, Junkrat

[peak escarp]

I was thinking more of people specifically noted to have impressive combat skills

Pharah is just average in that regard

[spare fox]

I specifically remember in Declassified it specified that Reinhardt had average school marks. Not sure why that sticks out to me lol

Hm and the ones in "average intelligence," they all have highly specialized skills and/or abilities, kind of an overlap with "worked hard"

[peak escarp]

true

I didn't put much thought into it

[spare fox]

It's not really cut and dry

It's kind of what makes them all such good characters

You don't get that "why doesn't so and so character solve all the world's problems??" - they all have limitations and circumstances and conflicts holding them back

[stoic rose]

Where can I learn the lore? Learned there was a comic series, where can i find it? And does it start from the very beginning?

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/

[worn latch]

Bap in street smarts?

[peak escarp]

he doesn't have a formal education

[worn latch]

He was a mercenary for years

He has a military education or whatever

[peak escarp]

but not like, university

[worn latch]

Neither did jq

Also Cass was in overwatch and blackwatch and made a name for himself as a mercenary

I think he'd be just as talented as reaper in that regard

Maybe not

Like

JUST

But enough to be in a team with him and keep up

He also took out a fully armed gang in his cinematic

[peak escarp]

exactly

street smarts

[spare fox]

Idk I guess he did have medical training as a medic. He's probably just as "intelligent" as like an emt or army medic, no idea off the top of my head what kind of training and education that requires

So a medic is basically an EMT, then there's a paramedic which is the highest level of EMT and requires 6-12 months of training, courses and licensure

So ig it depends on where he fell on that spectrum in the Coalition and Talon

[quick grail]

avarage is $20 per skin, what a dystopia we live on people is fine with this

another update of was coming next season and something was missing

get golden weapons again i think

[peak escarp]

that isn't confirmed

also that isn't lore

no

that was a rumor from 4chan

not likely

the "leak" got some things wrong from the dev update this morning

[worn latch]

I don't think we have the same idea of street smarts

[worn latch]

There's also this

[peak escarp]

is he talking about himself?

[worn latch]

Yes

[peak escarp]

when could he have gotten several doctorates?

[worn latch]

Dunno but he's very obviously talking about himself

In his short story he was also working at a hospital

[peak escarp]

what does street smarts mean to you?

also it's weird for him to say "I met someone the other day" when referring to himself

typically someone would say "I know a guy" when they don't want someone to know they're talking about themself

[worn latch]

Who else would he be talking about?

And listen to his tone lol

He's talking about himself

[worn latch]

Adaptability

[peak escarp]

I was more referring to where they got their knowledge from

learning from life experience rather than a formal education = street smarts

Baptiste could be talking about someone else

[worn latch]

He isn't

Trust me ☠️

[peak escarp]

crazy how his multiple doctorates were never mentioned anywhere else

and he was so strapped for money that he had to join Talon, yet he could afford the tuition for multiple doctorates

[hushed jetty]

i thought he was talking abt lifeweaver here but i just realized that makes 0 sense

[quick grail]

lol what?

[quick grail]

now that you remind me, this season got 0 new interactions, the shitty pve event have no interactions at all, and this season was made before everyone got fired, so next season will have even less lore?

[hushed jetty]

"0 new interactions" nuh uh

theres at Least one, the moira mauga one

[opaque tundra]

verguco please touch grass and i mean this in the nicest way possible

anyway i love venture already

[peak escarp]

they've been dealt with

moving swiftly on

[twilit patrol]

Thanks god he got muted

[hushed jetty]

THEY LOOK SO GOOD TOO

[fresh rock]

Ooooo they have a cute tooth gap

The model looks great

[tacit yoke]

nationality?

[hushed jetty]

canadian

[worn latch]

Bro does not have doctorates

Handsome is correct tho 🙏

[golden oak]

I’m gonna get hate for this but, Siebren???

[worn latch]

Wouldn't make sense

Like at all

That would be funny tho

[golden oak]

How many people with doctorates could bap possibly know?

Moira? Sigma?

[worn latch]

1. He has friends

[golden oak]

Like where

[worn latch]

2. I doubt he'd be talking about someone in talon to someone in overwatch

[worn latch]

He's so social bro 😭😭 u think he doesn't?

[native gulch]

They look so gooood the model is so shiiny

[golden oak]

Maybe but don’t forget the man has a bounty on him

[worn latch]

I doubt having a bounty makes you immune to having friends !

[golden oak]

Would you have many friends when you’re being actively hunted?

[worn latch]

And he's talking about himself

Which has been established

[native gulch]

What’s the line delivery like

[worn latch]

Flirty

Baptiste flirts with EVERYONE he's very clearly flirting with mercy

[golden oak]

It surely increases the chance of someone finding you

It doesn’t sound like he’s talking about himself

[worn latch]

Have you not read his short story?

He has friends

[native gulch]

I bet he doesn’t actually have the doctorates but is definitely talking about himself

[golden oak]

When did bap get several doctorates

[worn latch]

Would not be surprised

[worn latch]

He's a doctor who knows bro

[native gulch]

Seems like a thing Bap would do for shits and giggles

[golden oak]

wrong

[native gulch]

He’s an MD at best

[golden oak]

He’s a field medic

[worn latch]

Medic and doctor r basically the same thing idk

[golden oak]

Hell no

[native gulch]

Noooo

[worn latch]

Yuh huh

[golden oak]

If it was no one would study medicine

[worn latch]

Dunno but he's very very very obviously talking about himself

Go listen to the vl

[golden oak]

Even Him talking about sigma makes more sense to me

[worn latch]

Literally how

Did he even know sigma?