lore-discussion

[keen summit]

imagine knowing u could cheat death, would you take life and death seriously?

[hushed jetty]

i cannot imagine how fucked up that mustve been for him

[keen summit]

imagine knowing that you could survive an explosion, then why wouldnt you go when you kill someone "i mean that could be fixed"

so he no longer sees death as a threat

hence why he is reckless, he doesnt care

ram is just so well written

its crazy to me how ram dropped around the same time as kiriko and sojourn

[worn latch]

Do we know anything about the Arcology above it being above the law and it's owners are gay old men

I want to know what it looks like

[keen summit]

we got no clue no

we had some stuff on it in declassified

but its all bout the dam they made

[worn latch]

MAN

[keen summit]

its just another "heres a new faction that you wont know anyuthing about!!!!"

[worn latch]

I wanna know like the general funding of it so I can get an idea of what the people there would even be living in

[worn latch]

I'm gonna sue blizzard if they don't give me more information

[keen summit]

... really

thats what you are interested in

i mean. you do you but, funding?

[worn latch]

There's a purpose I swear

😭 if lifeweaver is kind of homed in there they have to have some sort of apartment or housing thing, and in one map they also have flights to the Arcology so it's going to be at least a little rich I think? But also lifeweaver doesn't really have much funding so it wouldn't be like he lives on something expensive but I'm just trying to figure out like the general idea of where he would be staying

All of my questions are centered around lifeweaver

[keen summit]

i see

well we dont really know much of it

i keep forgetting bout it existing

[worn latch]

💔

[keen summit]

it rn just exists

but hey lw is more important than illari!

[worn latch]

Of course

Lifeweaver is the most important character ever

He's perfect

[keen summit]

he now hates you

lw hates perfection

you had it so easy and somehow missed the point of him

however with lw, he did show that vishkar seemingly TRUELY wants a perfect world, its not a front (which i thought already cuz it would be weird to have 2 money centric things in talon council) so if we get sanjay i believe he'll be a mirror of lw as sanjay wants perfection no matter what, how do you get that? well either improve everything or just rid all imperfections from the world

[worn latch]

I cannot send screenshots but he does have a voice line mentioning perfection (in a positive way)

When he captured the flag

And he thinks it's overrated and hates the artificial way Vishkar creates it

Also I think he can take a compliment like that

[keen summit]

he would likely think imperfection IS perfection

yeah he'd say that

[worn latch]

"a perfect capture!!" 🤨 Do u think he'd be like "GRRRR how dare you!!!" If someone complimented him or whatever

Trust I know a lot about him and I was saying he's the perfect character bc he's well written (imo) and has interesting lore

[keen summit]

Sanjay is the only one CONFIRMED with talon. so i think he in paricular is about perfection by ridding the world of any imperfections

[keen summit]

nah i think he'd just go "not so much perfect, but appreciate it!"

[worn latch]

Real

[keen summit]

as he also makes fun of himself alot

[worn latch]

I love my self deprecating wife

[keen summit]

which is why i like him as a character

[worn latch]

Yes tell me about your mommy issues Niran

[keen summit]

hes a decently written hero

not exactly special, but he does what hes supposed to

[worn latch]

He has my favorite lore out of all the characters I think he's very interesting

[keen summit]

i mean his lore is JUST activist

tbf

[worn latch]

He's also an accomplished scientist

And I personally love green anarchy

[keen summit]

like lots of the cast

[worn latch]

He's the guy who plants seeds in golf courses I love him

[keen summit]

like legit

[worn latch]

Yes but I don't think any of the other cast developed living light

[keen summit]

mei, moira, mercy, winston are also scientists aswell

[worn latch]

Okay but did they create living light

[keen summit]

well can he change the body's composition, create the first healing stuff like mercy etc

[worn latch]

No but he created life

[keen summit]

or create the cryogenic blaster from scratch

without any REAL stuff to do it

[worn latch]

He created living growing life which is very interesting nonetheless

Biolight is so much cooler than whatever mei made let's bffr

And Moira thinks he's smart and around her lvl of intelligence

[keen summit]

i do like lw tho

him being rebelious and thinking outside of the box is cool and how hes portrayed shows as much

[worn latch]

Real

[keen summit]

i will say tho

i find it annoying that lw like kiriko was also NEVER mentioned

like i get them not mentioning him all the way with sym launch, but sym has had a short story since and couldve had some small thing, a voice line, ANYTHING about him

[worn latch]

Yeahhh I definitely feel like it would be cool if he was announced somehow with sym

Real

He has so much potential

[keen summit]

and also not on his own

he used the original type instead of the newer one. so likely something in there made that possible

lw could be terrifying af tho

but yeah, hes smart but lots of heroes are

[worn latch]

Still genius level stuff bro

I love him

[keen summit]

we havent seen him do much yet sadly

[worn latch]

Next month bro

Next month

I've already preordered the book

[keen summit]

not even that. this is a ow2 problem but NONE of the heroes got build up, except ig mauga

were you around in ow1?

[worn latch]

Yes but I wasn't crazy into the lore

I've been playing since 2017

[keen summit]

alright, well you remember build up to orisa for example?

[worn latch]

Nah

[keen summit]

in ow1 only 2 heroes got no build up im pretty sure, bap and sigma

ashe got very loose

[worn latch]

Yeahhh

They obviously put more effort into the game in ow1 there's no argument

[keen summit]

well thats an example of very simple and quite handsoff build up. cuz you dont need some BIG arg like sombra or whatever. she got a map change to numbani, then build up to her well, getting built and then reveal

all in around 2 weeks

orisa got hype cuz she got basic build up

[worn latch]

a voice line between sym and Lucio about him would've been cool

[keen summit]

moira was teased like once but the thing was SHE existed

[keen summit]

or pharag

pharah knows lw is wanted, so she couldve asked if she knows about "niran" and sym couldve said "yes, hes an idiot."

[worn latch]

Yeah bc how does a fugitive from one of the biggest corporations in the world who makes living light not play at least a teeny part in the lore is what I wanna know

[keen summit]

as she adviced against him leaving

[worn latch]

Lucio could've used his existence to bully sym with how imperfect Vishkar really is

[keen summit]

also another nitpick, kirikos dad

why had she NEVER mentioned him

[worn latch]

Kiriko is fatherless 😒

[keen summit]

we knew what her father's situation was

[grand wedge]

Yes, this… a full buildup I 2019/20 and just… nothing

[keen summit]

he was taken hostage by the new gang

[worn latch]

She doesn't deserve a dad

[worn latch]

Oh wait what

[keen summit]

and she never even mentions him

[keen summit]

yep

[worn latch]

WHAT

[keen summit]

he was taken HOSTAGE by the gang

he was forced to make blades for them

[worn latch]

I had no idea

[desert yacht]

not that special ana did it first

[worn latch]

When was this mentioned

[keen summit]

kiriko and asa never mention him

[worn latch]

There's an airstrike rapidly approaching your home

[keen summit]

kanekaza letter

[worn latch]

Man I know nothing about this 😭😭

[keen summit]

even in her bio

we legit dont know what happened to her father

[worn latch]

That's kinda crazy

And she doesn't have like any voice interactions about this

[keen summit]

so like, kiriko NEVER mentions him. her mom never mentions him

its not even in her origin story

yknow, having your dad get kidnapped

granted this was likely early in her life

but its all really weird

kiriko is SO badly written

because her origin story also doesnt fit with this

her origin story heavily implies she was with her mom and grandmother at the same time AND NEVER SHOWS HER DAD

but thats my main problem with new heroes. there just is no build up

kiriko build up couldve been in beta where genji and hanzo could have a interaction like "do you ever wonder how kiriko is doing?" "She's likely fine, as Asa trained her to be strong"

woudlve still be dumb, but still wouldve given us a tease of what kiriko is like

same with lw, symmetra for example with that idea i had of her and pharah calling him an idiot but knowing him well enough to be able to say something like that without thinking bout perfection would certainly give us an idea of how they were but also how LW as a person is

ramattra is the only one i dont count cuz he was swapped. if he was released when he shouldve been he wouldve been one of the best built up heroes EVER

[small mauve]

Yap

[keen summit]

and now, blizz basically went "oh we didnt build heroes up well enough? hm so we did it too late? alright fine!" and showed the heroes uo till 1 year in advance

[keen summit]

just realised, they forgot lw and mauga on here

[fresh rock]

Wait what?

[keen summit]

this is from the site

from ow

they forgot lw and mauga

[merry token]

She does

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23608156/

Or, moreso she writes a letter to him

Oh nvm you already mentioned this, forgot to scroll up ☠️

[keen summit]

She doesnt

Asa does

[merry token]

I was referring to her mother when I said she does, should have clarified mb

[worthy rose]

jacks or mcdonalds or a dounut shop

[royal talon]

I want more Zen lore fr

[golden oak]

All shambali omnics have double t in their name

Is there a reason for that

Also did they choose a new name when joining shambali (like real life monks often do)

That would explain them wanting to have a name similar to their mentor Mondatta (I mean zen and Ram)

[worn latch]

I know that their suffixes before the double tt have some sort of meaning, but maybe it's just a tradition?

Like ram and zen both mean something in Hindi I'm pretty sure

[golden oak]

Why Hindi, shambali is in Nepal

[spare fox]

Zenyatta's name has been observed to be a combination of the word "Zen", which is the Japanese name for Chan Buddhism, and "Śūnyatā", which means "emptiness" in Pali, a Buddhist concept referring to the idea that the world is without a true essence or sense of self.
It's also likely a reference to the The Police album Zenyatta Mondatta, considering his late counterpart's name is Mondatta.
The name they share between Mondatta and Zenyatta, "Tekhartha," could play off of the name of the Buddha before he achieved nirvana, Siddhartha Gautama, and "Tek" pronounced like "Tech" as a play on the fact that they are robots. - source fanwiki

[peak escarp]

Tekhartha is a title

[golden oak]

Yeah so I choose to believe those names were given to them (or they chose them) when joining shambali because they clearly follow some pattern that other known omnics don’t follow

It does make sense for the iris religion for all the monks to have something common in their name since one of their slogans is “we are one in the iris”

[worn latch]

Man idk I probably got the language wrong

[rapid mountain]

Does anyone know the lore reason for why Ashe and Cassidy hate each other??

[golden oak]

Cass left the gang to join overwatch

Blackwatch to be precise
Because Reyes gave him a choice between jail and joining blackwatch

And then Cassidy rescued Echo from Ashe

[rapid mountain]

So that’s it??

Is it just one sided hate from Ashe??

I’m surprised she doesn’t respect his decision 😮😮

[golden oak]

I don’t think Cass hates Ashe tbh

[golden oak]

Maybe there was something more idk I haven’t read that novel

Here’s the link to the story

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/deadlock-rebels-chapter-1/

[spare fox]

speaking of Deadlock Rebels novel, the Ashe family business that the gang started out stealing from, Arbolast, sells weapons to all sorts of in-universe entities, including Helix, Vishkar, Hyde Global, various militaries

idk just thought that was interesting

a little bit more of a connection to the lore than just through Cass

[pliant egret]

Yap, Yapping and Yapper are slang terms of the verb "to yap" whch means to talk excessively with little substance. The concept of yapping or someone yapping

[golden oak]

“Your hair looks brittle Jack” meanwhile look at this improvement in his hairline and hair quality from ow1 to ow2

Ow1 looks like they haven’t been washed in MONTHS meanwhile ow2 looks like he just came out of the barbershop

[peak escarp]

Ashe's core principles are keep your word, don’t work with the law, respect each other’s territory, and always punish betrayal

Cassidy broke those principles by working with the law (Overwatch)

[golden oak]

Btw good to see Jack chilled out somewhat and makes sure to take care of himself as well

[next jewel]

So, is Jack's diet just steak? Apparently he needs to take vitamins as Mercy says in that one interaction, and he says "Yes, every day just after my steak dinner"

[golden oak]

Could be steak + vegetables we don’t know

[worthy rose]

Jack probably has a heavy meat diet with some veggies mixed in

[golden oak]

Steak is rich in keratin tho, which builds hair

[peak escarp]

probably just making a joke

[rare gull]

bro's a vigilante how'

how's he going to manage getting steak everyday

[peak escarp]

that's the joke

[worthy rose]

There's still Overwatch defenders ig

[golden oak]

I mean Angela is known for nitpicking, look at her interaction with torb
Maybe his hair is not in as bad situation as she claims

[rare gull]

exactly

[peak escarp]

he takes his vitamins after he eats his steak dinner - but he doesn't eat steak dinner so he doesn't take vitamins

[rare gull]

his forehead IS getting wider tho..

[rare gull]

grumpy old man vibes fr

[golden oak]

Might just seem that way since he got a different haircut now

[rare gull]

tru

but compared to his young skin it looks like his hair has less volume :((

[golden oak]

Well that’s obvious

[rare gull]

ye

[golden oak]

Idk, the ow2 design makes it seem like he takes care of himself more now because his hair looks neat, he has new clean clothes and everything

[peak escarp]

I'm just pointing out how the line was written

[rare gull]

LMAO sounds like he used to be a scraggly homeless dude - I mean he really is one

but like bro got his life up and running better ig

[golden oak]

Yeah but the delivery wasn’t the best if that’s the case imo

[peak escarp]

I haven't heard it so I don't know about the delivery

but it seems like sarcasm

[smoky tapir]

Maybe cuz he wants to be a good role model for bastion

[rapid mountain]

Didn’t she also join Overwatch tho

[peak escarp]

no

[golden oak]

The thing is in today’s dubbing actors don’t record the lines together in the room (like they used to before) but individually (because it’s just easier logistically I guess)
So often the actors don’t even see the whole script and often can’t pick up if what they’re supposed to say is a joke or not or who they’re even talking to
Especially in other language versions I noticed the characters respond in a wrong pronoun to another character (sometimes)

[peak escarp]

the voice director should tell them how to read the line

[rapid mountain]

Damn

Do you know any other characters who have a bad relationship lore wise

Or a really good relationship

[rapid mountain]

Thanks

Wait I’m confused is Rein like a godfather to Brig or something??

How is he family to Brig but not family to Torb

[smoky tapir]

Yea godfather i believe

They are real good friends and I believe rein stayed to help torb after he lost his arm.

[shy dagger]

Shouldn’t Dva be friends with all the “Meka” group?

[peak escarp]

are they friends?

[worthy rose]

tbh

[peak escarp]

or just teammates?

[worthy rose]

grandfather

[shy dagger]

There’s a voice line where she speaks about Deaon Dae-hyun, the boy at the bottom right probably, who fixes her mech all the time

Idk

[worthy rose]

him and torb r just friend

[shy dagger]

Rein is Brig’s Godafther I believe

[shy dagger]

You can maybe interpret that as them being friends, like they like to hang out together while he fixes her stuff

[hushed jetty]

dae-hyun

[peak escarp]

hard light

idk if it's the strongest material

[acoustic ice]

what did the other gorillas aboard the lunar space colony look like?

[golden oak]

Normally

Idk if they were on the same level of intelligence as Winston tho

[viral tendon]

Did they die? Cuz they killed the scientist on the lunar colony and hampster and Winston escaped so did they die?

[hushed jetty]

the gorillas are still up there iirc

chillin i guess

[acoustic ice]

how long until they run out of food

[shy dagger]

We can’t really tell cause we don’t have much information, but if we were to assume they are at least semi-intelligent or semi-geniuses, we can assume that they make their own food or have found other means of doing so

Or they all died out of starvation

Again, we can only assume and theorize since it’s very unlikely that Blizzard will revisit that concept

[dreamy shoal]

Is pharah's father dead? Did him and Ana have relationship issues and got divorced? (did they get married?) Is he a deadbeat? Why is he never mentioned in any voicelines?

Was he bad father? Thats why he's never mentioned?

[drifting viper]

I think its because he doesnt matter

[dreamy shoal]

??

What's weird

[drifting viper]

hes not a hero in game

Its like brigs mother/torbs wife

they never talk about her

[dreamy shoal]

Ingrid? Torb and mercy have an interaction mentioning her

[drifting viper]

He is a good dad though, he took care of pharah on his own since ana faked her dead

[drifting viper]

yeah but thats only 1 voice line

[shy dagger]

-He still thinks Ana is dead.
-Ana took off her wedding ring after her “death”
-I think there is a voice line referring to him between Pharah and Ana, but it was in ow1 and they probably removed it

[viral tendon]

Does he even have a confirmed name?

[shy dagger]

We don’t know that much about him I believe

[shy dagger]

Yes
Sam

[viral tendon]

Ohhhh

[shy dagger]

Törb also has a voice line whenever he eliminates Mercy where he says: “I’m not gonna hear the last of this from Ingrid” or something of that sort

[viral tendon]

So does that mean ingrid and mercy are close friends?

Like with the pie recipe voiceline

[peak escarp]

he is mentioned

his name is Sam English

[shy dagger]

Yeah it’s pretty much confirmed they are
Mercy has a good relationship with Törb and his family so yeah

[dreamy shoal]

English? Weird last name but ok

Thank God pharahs last name is amari

[shy dagger]

Omg I just thought of this rn..

Fareeha English

😭😭

[viral tendon]

That would be the worst last name 😭😭

[peak escarp]

he's a First Nations Canadian diplomat

[viral tendon]

Ohh that makes more sense

[merry token]

Sam English, Canadian indigenous diplomat

God damn it she already said it 😭

[shy dagger]

“First Nations”
What are they? Are they like the UN?

[merry token]

It was explained in a thread from a writer iirc

[peak escarp]

that's the umbrella term for indigenous people in Canada

[shy dagger]

Ah, Alr

[golden oak]

Can a human become a monk at shambali?

[glass hill]

I presume so since they are welcoming (i.e. mondatta and zenyatta)

[merry mason]

we see him and Pharah eating together in the Christmas comic so they must be on good terms

[river iron]

is there a video or something where i can find all the ravager voicelines from cosmic crisis?

he sounds like ramattra

[hushed jetty]

its the same voice actor

there's prob a video up on youtube or something

[viral tendon]

Do you think pharah would tell him Ana is alive Becuz presumably Ana faked her death without telling him and now that pharah knows she’s alive would she tell him?

[vapid tusk]

id say yes since mondatta, the leader of monks (i think), preached about omnic-human symbiosis and the rest of the group most likely adopted the same mindset and wouldn't judge one for not being an omnic

[viral tendon]

Like equality for all I’m guessing humans & omnics I’m guessing

[merry mason]

There's a voice line where Pherah asks Ana if they should tell him, so presumably she wants to make sure Ana is ready for him to know

[golden oak]

Tbh with so much characters who have cybernetics, mechs or are straight up robots I think having more mechanics as support wouldn’t be a bad idea

Cuz we only have brig so far

[worthy rose]

Maybe Space Ranger is like a Martian mechanic

I honestly didn't even know Mars was colonized until Space Ranger was revealed

[golden oak]

I mean that’s probable

Unless they come up with some weird cosmic healing like they did with Illari which can heal with solar energy

[worthy rose]

She's a space plumber

[vapid tusk]

Super Space Ranger Galaxy

[viral tendon]

It’d be cool if they could fix them mid match like the mechanics pull out a hammer and start fixing dvas mech like torb with his turrets but it’s a unfair advantage

[dreamy shoal]

Is there a video I can find for all the voicelines for the subway train segment in the liberation pve thing? Like the part where their on the subway with claire?

[acoustic ice]

what is this painting about

[viral tendon]

I have the PVE mission saved i think? I can send it to you if i can find it

[viral tendon]

Angry man with weapon

[peak escarp]

the owner of the pizzeria claims to have been there during the Venice Incident (Retribution), so that painting shows him fighting Talon

[dreamy shoal]

I mean every voiceline

[viral tendon]

Lemme check i think i have the whole mission saved somewhere

[acoustic ice]

ahh

i thought he was spinning a pizza dough in the middle of an omnic battle field

[viral tendon]

Priorities my man’s making pizza in a warzone

[spare fox]

That's how you know he's the pizza guy ig

Several of the paintings in the game are interesting

Portraits on kings row, landscapes on malevento and esperanza

Like, you know, a little too polished to be throwaway game artifacts but if they are anything meaningful, I haven't even a guess

Besides the obvious like the portraits of the Martins's

[deep prawn]

https://youtu.be/8wHdW_c0ZSI?si=IyK1v_nk9FciVbXu

Funny vid Oregaa

[smoky tapir]

He needs to restore his stock

He will choke bad guys with mozzarella if he needs to

[viral tendon]

Pretend to be dead with pizza sauce

[smoky tapir]

Fr

[viral tendon]

It’s like what lava sauce? He throws its and WIPPAM their burning like its ashes dynamite

[viral tendon]

Just jump moira with sizzling pizzas so that the rest of talon can’t be properly healed

[urban reef]

hellohello type echo

[ruby ridge]

he a filthy liar ass

[keen summit]

nah nah nha

hes just that good

now buy his 30$ pizzas!

[dim pike]

Can we discuss new hero

Venture

[rare trail]

arent they coming in like 3 more seasons

[peak escarp]

next season

Space Ranger is in 3 seasons

[smoky tendon]

erm what does BAMF on cassidy's belt stand for?

[peak escarp]

bad ass mother fucker

[smoky tendon]

erm wow

erm i finally know what BAMF on cassidy's belt stands for!

thanks, sir

or ma'am

[spare fox]

Iirc next season should start around first week of May

[peak escarp]

next season starts in 48 days

April 9

[rare trail]

also the names of the original deadlock gang were like bez ashe mcree and frankie

[smoky tendon]

erm ok

[viral tendon]

Would it change Becuz he’s not longer mcree? It was it just a stylistic choice they don’t wanna change

[peak escarp]

the belt buckle came first

it's not a reference to the founders

[golden oak]

No cuz they explained it that McCree was his alias and his real name is Cole Cassidy

[hushed jetty]

no they did not

people say that all the time but i do not ever remember that being confirmed

[golden oak]

Pretty sure there was an official post stating that

[golden oak]

Here it is

[hushed jetty]

what's this from

[golden oak]

Blizzard

I doubt you’ll find the original post now tho

[light socket]

There way of covering the name change

[viral tendon]

Ohhh yeah I forgot about that 😭😭

[golden oak]

Yeah, they had to come up with an excuse that would fit the lore

[merry mason]

I pretty sure it’s just a meta acknowledgment of the name change

How long has it been since the change anyway?

[merry token]

https://x.com/playoverwatch/status/1451624387732512770?s=46&t=CUX_YIJGrE60CM9k0aYUrA

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch) on X

Meet Cole Cassidy.

Rides into Overwatch October 26.

Twitter · Oct 22, 2021, 6:59 PM

[viral tendon]

Damn he took it as a challenge

[remote heron]

winton

[remote heron]

still think they should have replaced his name with the VA (Matthew Mercer)

[hushed jetty]

i think half the point was avoiding naming him after a real person

bc it still runs the risk of the name being associated with an Asshole if something comes to light

[dense nebula]

Yeah but it’s Matt Mercer

since when would he even dare to be controversial

[golden oak]

They learned their lesson i guess?

Besides I doubt Matt would want that

[remote heron]

oh true

[remote heron]

see thats what I thought about my gym teacher before he got arrested for being interested to children

[desert yacht]

mercer's biggest controversy is that there was a term floating around called the mercer effect where he's so good at dming that people are disappointed bc their dms aren't as good as him

it's like a 1 to a million odds that he'd do something to taint his name but it's still good for overwatch going forward that they dont use names of anybody currently alive

not sure if they've used historical figures' names verbatim actually

[peak escarp]

it's still a bad idea to name characters after living people

[dense nebula]

That’s why I name them after people when those people die

[peak escarp]

at least with historical people, their skeletons are already on display

[dense nebula]

And also we know what kind of crap they did

[peak escarp]

that's what I mean - the metaphorical skeletons in their closets

although I guess it applies to their actual skeletons too

[meager stream]

guys can i get some lore on how genji can FREAKING DEFLECT MOLTEN LAVA

[hushed jetty]

in-game does not equal canon

[keen summit]

well tbf he blocked huge lasers from a titan

[hushed jetty]

true

he's just built different i guess

[viral tendon]

Nah that’s a good point wtf is the sword made out of

[keen summit]

uhhh mystery future special metal stuff

[viral tendon]

Must be whatever the Russian government is gatekeeping/j

[keen summit]

Who knoooowsws

[worthy rose]

Is there a reason why BOB is so tall and huge?

Or just design choice

[keen summit]

yes, design choice by the manufacturers

probs a robot used to help carry things before the crisis

[worthy rose]

What’s the crisis?

[viral tendon]

The omnic crisis

[worthy rose]

I have no idea what Omnics are

[viral tendon]

Are you new?

Like genuine question

[worthy rose]

No but I don’t play a lot

I’ve been playing for almost a year but barely play/keep up with lore

[viral tendon]

Think about zenyatta zenyatta is a omnic like a robot with sentience it’s. A human robot can feel like one, back about 30 years before the ow recall (pretty much ow2) there was a omnic uprising of them killing humans and trying to take over that’s how the government formed overwatch by finding 6(?) I think individuals (torb s76 reap ana rein and Mina liao (echos creator)) into the founding of the original overwatch, eventually overwatch did end the omnic crisis bringing kinda peace among humans and omnics

Sorry if there’s spelling mistakes im writing this on mobile at 1am

[worthy rose]

So basically to sum it up mech/robots starting a uprising but then making peace?

[worthy rose]

I didn’t notice any lol

[viral tendon]

After like a war, peace was brought but then talon (the organisation reaper, widow, sombra, Moira, and doomfist work for) are trying to start it again I think im pretty sure after shooting a peace making omnic (like zenyatta but more famous his name is Mondatta) causing a whole lot more chaos as seen in the alive cinematic,

If you want more context I highly recommend the genesis animations on yt their short but good

[viral tendon]

Thank god I am not re reading this

[worthy rose]

Ohhh

I think I understand now

[worthy rose]

I’ll check it out

[viral tendon]

I hope you enjoy it !

[worthy rose]

I don't think he blocked the lasers specifically

Just the large ass grenades

Still impressive

[next jewel]

Maybe it has something to do with Genji representing that green dragon or smth, I mean, his Dragonblade even cut the Titans hand like it's butter

[last moat]

time is a concept. aight that’s the lore

[keen summit]

Energy blasts he did

[worthy rose]

Genji is just a stronk boi. But it does seem like the Dragonblade even has to charge up in lore

Also he didn't deflect with the Dragonblade

He's just that strong

[next jewel]

Genji seems to be one of the strongest in lore

In game...same situation as Reinhardt XD

[worthy rose]

I like to think that Genji had a mental block during Overwatch's golden age which is why he for example was defeated by Doomfist in his short

But after Overwatch shut down and reuiniting with Hanzo, that mental block had cleared up

Genji probably still won't defeat DF in a 1v1. But it'd be closer

[next jewel]

I think Sombra could easyly beat some heros in the lore, mostly all who have something she can hack

Mada Mada boy could just be shut down by Sombra probably

[worthy rose]

Sombra's Hack isn't translated well in lore tbh

She can hack basic machinery such as an inactive robot's limbs, but other more precise hacks need time for Sombra

I don't think Sombra can hack Genji because of his cyborg suit

And I don't think Sombra can immediately hack Echo or Bastion because of their advanced firewalls

It took Sombra a lot of time just to hack into the Null Sector ship's blueprints in Mauga's short

[next jewel]

True

[peak escarp]

Genji wasn't at peace with himself, which probably hindered his skill

[viral tendon]

If genji is that strong but still technically lost to Hanzo what would hanzos powerscale be? And would he still compare to genjis cyborg suit?

[hushed jetty]

when he lost to hanzo he was not a cyborg

also hanzo was using a sword, which he is better with, and not a bow like he does now

[viral tendon]

But what if for some reason they duel one more, Hanzo with a sword and genji cybernetics who would win

[vapid tusk]

"for some reason" is never a good hypothetical

[viral tendon]

:(

[vapid tusk]

we saw genji win against hanzo in the dragons cinematic

[viral tendon]

But that was Hanzo with a bow I mean with a sword since in lore it’s stated he’s better with a sword

[past copper]

He would still lose. The only reason he beat Genji at all is due to him no doubt either surprise attacking him

[vapid tusk]

if hypothetically, Hanzo did not drop the sword, he would still lose against a cyborg

[past copper]

Or Genji was holding back bc he didn’t wanna kill his brother

[viral tendon]

And isn’t it seen the dragon’s cinematic genji could control the dragons Hanzo has?

[past copper]

That really has nothing to do with anything

Hanzo literally said only a Shimada can control the dragons

So anyone of Shimada blood could do that

[vapid tusk]

well we've only seen Genji and Hanzo interact with dragons

[past copper]

That’s only bc we don’t know what happened to the rest of their clan

I highly doubt they were ALL arrested by Overwatch

[vapid tusk]

i like to think its more of "only a shimada has the capability of controlling the dragons"

[viral tendon]

Weren’t they taken over by the hashimoto

[viral tendon]

That makes more sense actually

[past copper]

The Shimada were brought down by Overwatch with Genji’s help after his near death by Hanzo

What happened to them beyond that is unknown

Only that with the Shimada gone, the Hashimoto could take over unchallenged

[viral tendon]

The only people standing up against them besides Hanzo/genji isn’t it kiriko and her group (I forgot the name but I’ve read the comic)

[past copper]

Yokai are the only ones fighting the Hashimoto atm

But Hanzo is presumably going to assist them in the upcoming book

And Genji hasn’t touched the Hashimoto in the least

He’s busy fighting a war with Overwatch at this point in time

[peak escarp]

Genji didn't lose to Hanzo

Genji was holding back

he was fighting defensively until Hanzo used his dragons

[dreamy shoal]

Yokai? Like the paranormal Japanese legends yokai or like a gang called yokai?

[lone cargo]

Can someone tell me what symmetras lore is? I can't find and origin story

[hushed jetty]

she doesn't have an origin story

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/symmetra/

also check out her comic and short story

[delicate monolith]

what is ramattras origin?

ahh, i see

so him and zenyatta are opposites when it comes to their drives and views?

[opaque tundra]

mmmm kinda i guess i'd say they're more like narrative foils

[past copper]

Ramattra was originally one of many R-7000 Ravagers build by Anubis during the Omnic Crisis. Sometime after the Awakening, he joined the Shambali and learned under Mondatta

He would later find Zenyatta and bring him to join the Shambali too. However, seeing how humans treated his kind, Ramattra left the Shambali to follow his own path

Sadly, this path would lead him to forming Null Sector and starting a global invasion as a means to free his fellow omnics from the abuse of humans

We still don’t know what his endgame is, but it can’t be anything good

[viral tendon]

Ohhh I would’ve thought he wouldn’t of compared since he was labeled as careless and was younger but he would hold back against his brother

[peak escarp]

Genji was careless in his youth

but that was before he met Zenyatta and found inner peace

[past copper]

Genji was brash and maybe a little arrogant in his youth, but I’d say he was far from weak

He just didn’t live by the same standards as his clan elders

If anything, he held back against Hanzo simply bc he was his brother and didn’t want to kill him

Even if Hanzo was ordered to kill him

[viral tendon]

Zen was what genji needed for inner peace

[past copper]

Stuff like that makes me want more new heroes with connections to people

Mauga was the last one to have any, but seems the next two possibly won’t

At least in Venture’s case, who appears to be… an archaeologist maybe?

Luckily tho, only 12 days until we get new lore on our beloved heroes

[peak escarp]

probably not

[hushed jetty]

assuming ram's abilities are canon he's certainly strong but def not top 5

[keen summit]

Well hamid in the org is known by ana

So venture has atleast indirect connections

The entire point is that he isnt THAT strong himself but has a huge endless army

It kinda does a disservice saying hes stronger than all of those, cuz why not just kill doom and take talon over, use their resources without any deals

Doom and ram dont actually like eachother, their goals just happen to well work together quite well

Doom gets his war without getting cracked down on cuz its null sector not talon, and rama gets resources to build his army and likely "favors"

But from what we KNOW rama is way below all of those. Jq and overwatch have fought countless ravagers so the baseline is already not that strong but he ofcourse has that special thing of nanobots which we dont know if its exclusive cuz jq did call the gimmicky

[keen summit]

Yes, he has one hidden omnium

Doesnt matter if he just keeps creating more, after a while itll wear them out, 10 titans for example

Then the rest too

Gattling omnics

Flying ones

Null sector tho wouldnt count for ramattra cus then with doom you'd need to count talon

Orisa isnt for omnics

Nobody knows who or what ram is

We dont know yet. But most likely

Ram doesnt use ravagers

It would be weird for him to do do

Yes, but why would he go there

Ram never goes directly

He just stays in his omnium, likely in antartica

If he did attack numbani with full force orisa wouldn't win

Talon would win

Absolutely

Overwatch can fight them with 4 people constantly, talon has doom, mauga some of the most powerfull heroes, sigma, the theoretical strongest, vishkar is with them too and architects are madly op. Reaper is practically invincible

And when ram uses a titan, Sombra hacks it and bam

Done

Its harder to havk sentient ones it seems but yea, however ram likely has some firewall cuz je HATES human tactics

Hm tough one, depends on how much he can do woth his bots and range

Nanobots is how he does that

His staff, nemesis, shield and ult all are nanobots

Even his attacks in staff form and vortex

Alll nanobots he controls

Thats why everything is reliant on that, cuz if he has near limitless he could do a lot. But thats the thing we just dont know, he might be in the top of he has limitless control

Cuz in theory if he has limitless control, he could make em swarm in you and pierce you from the inside

We just dont know

However it has less mentioned things than say sym so saying that cuz he might be able to makes him theoeeticaly the strongest is kinda eh

He could be, but he would actually not have a good reason anymore that he avoids fights so much

I put him in upper B tier in my list of strongest for that reason. Heclikely is stronger than lots cuz ravager and also hes fucking smart and his nanobots could be very powerfull

We just dont know enough

We don't know what it could stop, what the limits are, etc. If it can stop bullets thats aight but a doom punch or rein hammerz if he cant stop that hes fucked

Nah

Absolutely not

Hes very well developed. Its just that he hasnt had a reason to fight

He has a novel that allows us to get completely in his thouht process

So far hes the best written hero we have gotten

Sigma has his origin story and 1 sentence of him being in his lab

Yes mini story

I meant

It allows you to understand him better and see why hes so well done

And lots of people misunderstand him

Heard lots say stuff like he wouldnt respect pronouns, hes just racist etc which all is false

He doesnt hate humans, he hates humanity, as in the culture

He also likely called the hit on mondatta

He hated him

As shown in reflections

He compared mondatta to anubis

Leading omnics to servitude, being okay with getting opressed just to say its all not that bad and we should love eachother etc

Ramattra hated him

And snapped when he callef null sector terrorist

I recommend readong reflections its really good

Overwatch site in media

Ot gives you alot of kbowledge of ramas thoughts

He has alot too

Mauga honestly is quite well written

He stays very consistent etc

the one who needs more most is illari

rama has that he is just REALLY well written, mauga has alot and alot of previously known stuff. Illari had nothing previously known, nothing after release (aside from her origin story ) and isnt in march batch

[viral tendon]

Is there even any clarification on how illari acted after wiping out her village by accident?

Besides guilt and shame after the fact as seen in voice lines

[keen summit]

well we saw her break down

[viral tendon]

Ohhh yeah I forgot about that lmao, but after all her grief and initial trauma was she developed after that?

[hushed jetty]

hard to tell since we. haven't seen her at all

except in voice lines

[keen summit]

and there seems to be a long time skip since it

from the hair

[viral tendon]

That’s annoying her story and lore is so interesting

[hushed jetty]

she feels guilty for what she's done, she's seeking forgiveness, that's about all we know

[viral tendon]

I hope in the upcoming book she gets more depth

[hushed jetty]

she is not in the book

[viral tendon]

Nooo 😭😭

[hushed jetty]

ikr

manifesting an illari comic this year, maybe

[viral tendon]

She can literally harness the power of the sun and she’s so undeveloped

[keen summit]

well we can too

its called solar panels

[viral tendon]

You’ve got a point I guess 😭😭😭

[keen summit]

the prob with her is that shes super isolated

as in, not even a connection, a way to get into the story. theres an obvious path she'll go on but who the fuck will get her there

[viral tendon]

Who do you reckon she’d stick with in overwatch? Since shes so distanced and young

[viral tendon]

Idk maybe she’ll be found in The waste land after a ow mission I don’t fucking know atp we need more game missions

[keen summit]

shes implied to now travel

[hushed jetty]

i'm hoping she doesn't join overwatch bc i dont want them to put EVERYONE in overwatch

like what business does she have with them

[keen summit]

but the problem with illari truely is that she exists alone without ANYONE else

[viral tendon]

Maybe she’ll even cross paths with zenyatta even similar to genji finding peace

[keen summit]

i mean, its SUPER easy to see why she would. redemption.

redeem herself by saving as many lifes as she took

before you say cliche, illari's everything is cliche

if she stays on her own shes just hanzo but again

[viral tendon]

Oh yeah like a twisted hero she has good motives just no basis to act on them like how she gonna fit into the bigger narrative

[keen summit]

illari is just completely isolated with no even loose connections

[hushed jetty]

true but like. damn they can't put every random unaffiliated character in ovw and call it a day

[keen summit]

well with illari it kinda makes sense

dva was an example with it feeling like an asspull to have her in main story

[hushed jetty]

and zarya

[keen summit]

pharah and bap both were very logical. zarya and dva felt like asspulls to make them be part of main story

[hushed jetty]

i agree entirely

[keen summit]

thats why i said illari kinda makes sense

[hushed jetty]

i suppose

[keen summit]

illari has a motive, a reason. she just has no path to it

opposed to say the junkers joining ow, theyd join the fight vs null sector cuz they think "fuck omnics!!!!!" so theyd likely ally themselves but the only ow member they know is ana, who isnt part of the new group

[viral tendon]

I wished they elaborate on how Cassidy found them in the last mission I forgot the name since Lúcio and sojourn made sense but the rest are confusing

[keen summit]

well new blood explains it

its a comic series

[viral tendon]

Oh shit I need to read another comic

[keen summit]

but the reasons of those who make sense was bap: make a choice to go for the good guys, to fight against those who did so much wrong and make right for his past. pharah, dreamed of joining overwatch so obv she would

dva was again suddenly a new character. this is different from cinematic dva kinda again. she suddenly feels VERY responisble for EVERYTHING and needs to do right but is held back!!

so she goes back to this other character we never see in game the responsible overworked girl who is very heroic

and zarya?

uh

[past copper]

Well, as far as I see, they've introduced just about EVERY hero affiliated to either Overwatch and Talon and the only hero from Null Sector

We don't know if more playable heroes will be introduced affiliated with either side yet

Talon tho is still a pretty open book, bc we still don't know who the other council members are or if they will be new heroes

But until then, I think upcoming heroes for a while will be unaffiliated at the moment

At least until we see if they're join sides or not, bc Null Sector's global attack might influence them

[keen summit]

thing is, we have seen from cutscenes so far that well, they almost never show all in canon affiliated heroes of stuff

and as illari HONESTLY is so bland, i doubt she'd change much so i wouldnt be surprised

[past copper]

Well, I don't know what to say on Illari. She was kinda more outta left field than Kiriko or Life Weaver

But the diff is that they at least had backstory and connections

Illari just feels a little rushed together for a hero but they might add more to her in some way

[keen summit]

thats my point. illaris most obvious path for the future is overwatch so the most likely as she isnt exactly unique in writing, but she doesnt have the path to it

atleast her village is getting a map, maybe itll tease something

[past copper]

Shed some light on her character and where she stands in the OW universe

[keen summit]

how i see it either she joins overwatch directly or somehow gets captured by talon and become a test subject till she gets rescued

if she'll be part of it

she wouldnt join talon willingly, lots of people act likse she would cuz they misunderstand her character (somehow)

[past copper]

I mean, it all depends on what she's actually doing. Talon doesn't go after people unless they pose a threat to them or catch their interests in some way

[viral tendon]

I like that plot where moira takes illari to experiment with her sun powers but is eventually returned its fit moira as character

[keen summit]

id say that talon would if they saw the destruction caused by the solar charger and her

so if on the peru map theres any sign of talon activity, its very likely theyre tracking her down as a potential weapon

[past copper]

Hell, we still aren't sure how they're using Sigma. But considering they didn't hesitate to target him for his abilities and knowledge

[keen summit]

but then itll probs be sigma all over again, we dont know if they fight for talon or not just that they are "being turned into a weapon"

[past copper]

Illari can't be taken off the table as a target

[keen summit]

sigma all we know is that he was "slowly turning into a weapon"

we dont know if they used him yet, limits etc

but i think if they found the village theyd VERY likely try to capture illari

i will say, the captured part is more likely than i thought at first cuz both the voicelines with talon members make more sense in that route

[past copper]

That would be ironic tho. Man with gravity powers and girl with solar powers. Mix that together n you get a chemical recipe for disaster

[keen summit]

now just get lw too

so you have biological material creation, solar and gravity

literal new world maker

but tbf, we dont know how much its actually SUN energy as in actual sun and how much is just... metaphorical?

[hushed jetty]

well the difference btwn illari and sigma would be that sigma is so out of it that he doesn't even realize he's being taken advantage of, but illari might figure it out

[past copper]

Doomfist may want Life Weaver, but only bc his biolight is clearly superior to Sanjay's hardlight

[keen summit]

illari would actively know

[hushed jetty]

ye

[keen summit]

not just that, vishkar wants him too so a good reason to search him

• moira knows of him too and says the scientific community might "turn" on him

[past copper]

Still, Illari may be targeted for her gifts and her knowledge

You gotta wonder if her people were secretive or not

[keen summit]

as i said, if on peru map there are any signs of talon its like almost certain

new weapons, new tech, potential new ways to fly

[past copper]

In which case, seeing a solar warrior might grab Talon's attention

[keen summit]

healing things AND potentially a BOMB

[past copper]

It might be more of a Red Star (Teen Titans) situation

Illari could be a walking time bomb that could go off any moment and put a city in danger in the process

[keen summit]

all in all i believe if illaris town is found by talon we can assume shes being hunted for the tech and herself

[keen summit]

thats unlikely af

we know why the explosion happened

[past copper]

Bc even she doesn't seem to understand what happened to cause her to destroy her people

[keen summit]

she was overcharged, she couldnt contain it so the excess energy pumped into her just, bursted out

she was legit like a battery, got charged to much, blew up

[past copper]

But something like that doesn't just happen

They did that for years and suddenly one girl accidentally releases a miniature nuclear blast that destroyed everything but her

I'm just saying, there's no way to live without some consequence after doing something like that

While I'm sure she is filled with guilt, it could potentially be something dangerous, but we won't know

Not until she gets more lore

If ever

[keen summit]

she was the youngest

that was confirmed

she was the youngest of them all and was said to be gifted, overestimated basically

so doing too much too young with too little training wouldve probs been the cause

[past copper]

I kinda doubt that. As far as we can tell, it appeared as tho the top of the class so to speak was the one who earned the right to solar tattooing

[hushed jetty]

i wouldnt say "too little training"

[past copper]

Frankly, age wouldn't have mattered if you excelled over all

[hushed jetty]

it seemed that she trained very hard and was really really good

something about the solar threading itself fucked her up - she believes it was because she was "too powerful"

However, no one could have been prepared for the true extent of her power. Her procedure unleashed a devastating amount of solar energy from her body, causing a blast that destroyed the entire chamber.

from her official bio

[keen summit]

ah yeah

[past copper]

Perhaps Illari was feeling tremendous pain as the procedure happened and in wanting the pain to stop, accidentally unleashed the power in a blind rage of sorts

[keen summit]

control, thats why. she was officially said to be the youngest ever.

younger people have less control generally. from the looks she was 15-16 so likely late puberty too (for some even the start but whatever) aka control isnt exactly the strong suit then

illari is just kinda like, she exists

but if talon finds out theyll defo try to capture her, make a makeshift solar chamber and make her be a potential bomb basically

[urban reef]

helo

[viral tendon]

winton

[sage dagger]

Ngl I forget they made tracer gay because I'm so used to seeing her getting piped

[next jewel]

[worn latch]

Thanks for sharing

[real flare]

should zarya and sigma be the strongest in lore since they literally throw black holes at people

[rare trail]

zarya throws gravitons which aren't really black holes

and we dont really know what sigma can do in lore

[ruby ridge]

Ppl are getting copies of hero3s ascendant delivered to the,

[ruby ridge]

I fear you need to stop talking

[sage dagger]

Your username says it all

[ruby ridge]

Lifeweaver’s plan 🔥

[spare fox]

Wat

[ruby ridge]

The book

Heroes ascendsnt

Some ppl on twitter got it today

[spare fox]

Aww no fair 😦

[grand wedge]

no way!

[spare fox]

Anything interesting yet??

[ruby ridge]

They’re BORINGGGG so they said they’re gonna not share anything until March 10th

We all lost

[spare fox]

Aaaaaaaaa

[spare fox]

Where did they get it really from? Or is it like diff release date?

[ruby ridge]

I think they just got it delivered early maybe?

Idk

It shouldent release until March though

No matter the region

[worthy rose]

Hello

[leaden galleon]

March 5th

I should have it delivered to me on release day I think

[worn latch]

WHAT

This is UNFAIR

[ruby ridge]

IK

Just a drop on lifeweaver lore plsss I’m begging you

[worn latch]

I NEED ITTT

I'm getting it for my birthday cuz my birthday is right after the release but I'm so jealous

IM SO JEALOUS

HOW DO THEY HAVE IT????

[leaden galleon]

The two stories on the bottom right of the cover

I need them the most

Hammond at Lucheng

Soldier meeting Sombra in Istanbul

[worthy rose]

Is Tracer more skilled than Mercy?

[spare fox]

They have entirely different skillsets

[hushed jetty]

more skilled at what

[worthy rose]

As overwatch agent

[hushed jetty]

they weren't even doing the same thing

mercy's a doctor, tracer was. idk shooting stuff

[worthy rose]

Is Tracer would be more comfortable fight barefoot than Mercy?

[twilit patrol]

Tracer can do some time stuff so

[worthy rose]

How it will help her fight barefoot?

[twilit patrol]

What's that question?

[hushed jetty]

you keep asking about people barefoot and i'm kinda scared as to why

[worthy rose]

Just interesting

[twilit patrol]

Only for you

We don't see how it is.

[worn latch]

Lifeweaver is the best toes out character anyways

[celest dirge]

does anybody know if bob went batshit during the omnic crisis while he was working for Ashe’s family or not

[celest dirge]

i always come here to see your FOOLISHNESS

[worn latch]

😢

[celest dirge]

pls answer tho i don’t need it urgently im jus curious

[hushed jetty]

every omnic was controlled during the crisis

All of them

so yes he left

but he came back after

[celest dirge]

wait so he just dipped lmao

how old was Ashe when it happened

[worn latch]

Like 10

[chrome sapphire]

can reaper rip one out?

[worthy rose]

Its doesn't matter?

[twilit patrol]

I'm not going to answer.

[golden oak]

I hope a digital copy will be online because they probably won’t ship it to my country

[tropic kraken]

what does this mean 😭

[chrome sapphire]

so we know reaper is gass

vape stuff

but can he release it

[tropic kraken]

LMAO

[viral tendon]

does reaper piss??? cuz we know hes fog pretty much

[chrome sapphire]

true

is his fog just evaporated piss?

mixed with his emo personality making him dark and edgy

[viral tendon]

but also brings up does he shit

ykw im gonna stop talking

[ruby ridge]

pls

talk about something normal

like rather Kiriko should die in lore so she’s removed from the game permenwntly

[viral tendon]

:( and how do you get the coloured name I have pink cuz im a nitro booster

[ruby ridge]

You get access to it by being s regular

!regular

!!regular

[twilit nacelle]

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[viral tendon]

Ohhh

Thanks for telling me

[ruby ridge]

Yw

[peak escarp]

they've already said that if a hero died in the lore they wouldn't be removed from the game

[golden oak]

Which I doubt is gonna happen

I feel like the playable heroes will just have plot armor

[peak escarp]

yeah

[hushed jetty]

it would be crazy if they killed someone off though

absolutely insane

i'd be all for it ngl if they can make it work

[golden oak]

Players Are devoted to their characters and character death means no more lore related content will be released for that hero

[hushed jetty]

not necessarily, itd just have to be content set it the pest

which i personally like

but i guess not everyone is into that

[peak escarp]

and yet a lot of people think Reinhardt will die

[golden oak]

We had Lucio almost dying in the pve mission for the drama

[drifting viper]

Theyd never kill off an overwatch character

If they were to kill one i could see it being either 76 or reaper

[viral tendon]

I think they wouldn’t die Becuz of the impact their death would have on ow

[hushed jetty]

i almost wish he did get injured ngl it'd be cooler

[golden oak]

That’s a weird thing to say

[hushed jetty]

i mean in the sense that plot armor is all fun and games but when a character gets injured you get to see the actual stakes of a situation

itd at least feel more intense

[spare fox]

We already have so many playable heroes that are supposed to be dead

[golden oak]

Not really since they have mercy who can just heal serious wounds in a blink of an eye

[viral tendon]

Or that deserve death

[hushed jetty]

ok true

[drifting viper]

no one knows 76 is still alive other than a few people

[forest coral]

fun fact: bation and winton have the same dad

[viral tendon]

Still the main current ‘leaders’ of new ow know he’s alive so his deaths impact is minimal so far

[peak escarp]

incorrect

[forest coral]

its not

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[rapid mountain]

Is there a lore reason why Echo didn’t get a new skin for Overwatch 2

[viral tendon]

Cuz blizzard is lazy and doesn’t like echo

[peak escarp]

because there's no narrative reason for her to have one

and she was planned as an OW2 hero

[rapid mountain]

What was the lore reason for everyone else getting new skins

[rapid mountain]

So when Sojourn had cameos in 2018/2019 cinematics, she was already in the works as a OW2 hero??? Alongside Junker Queen and Kiriko???

[peak escarp]

the new skins represent new outfits in the story

there was a 2 year time jump

[peak escarp]

yes

they plan heroes years in advance

we don't know when OW2 was planned to release, but the pandemic definitely delayed it

[teal spear]

drop a “κροτγτωενλ´λλω” if u fw my page 💯

[bitter sedge]

Please change Doompist to dealer

[rapid mountain]

Sigma and Mauga???

I never heard that one

I have heard some people say Sigmas kit was a lot more suited for 5v5.

Some going to extent to say Sigma is the reason 5v5 exists 😮😮

And Brig being the reason role queue exists

[peak escarp]

it's not because the kit doesn't fit 6v6

it's because the kit they came up with was too smart/tactical for Mauga's character

he's more brute force

so they shelved Mauga and made up Sigma

in his own way

but he's not the type to put out a shield and shoot slowly

he's more aggressive

[hushed jetty]

mauga wants to beat the fuck out of you up close but like still in a strategic way

[worthy rose]

I HATE MAUGA HES SUCH AN BAD MAN

[bleak topaz]

nerf mauga

[novel canyon]

what is the lore on widows ass? why is it so big? thoughts?

[hard dove]

why did they make her so awesome

[novel canyon]

why is she so juice?

[twilit patrol]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[spare fox]

He's tactical but not surgical tactical, more like smash-and-grab tactical

Like the most recent short with him

[golden oak]

Was Sojourn and Mina Liao very close?

[peak escarp]

they were friends

[golden oak]

The glasses she wears in her cinematic are Mina’s

?

[peak escarp]

are they?

[spare fox]

umm I don't think so?

but they must be for fashion purposes

because with bionic eyes and all

[void drum]

Would be a fun plot twist if junkrat and roadhog joined kiriko to fight the Hashimoto clan cuz like, what an excellent way to clear up the trash than tearing it to shreds and blowing it up

[void drum]

You post this as if humans with similar features never existed

Can't be sojourn since her hair was always curly

[golden oak]

Baby this is Mina Liao

[void drum]

I know

[golden oak]

I’m just saying this could be her glasses sojourn is wearing

[void drum]

Ah I see

[golden oak]

She certainly doesn’t need glasses because she has cybernetic eyes

[void drum]

Didn't had the context sorry

[spare fox]

no I don't think they're Mina's glasses

I think it's implied that Winston's glasses are inspired by Dr. Winston's

[rare trail]

those glasses arent the same color and that design of glasses is super common

[merry mason]

Nah Mina has rounder bottoms

[rare trail]

i havent read sojourns novel are they especially close in that book?

[merry mason]

Opposite, she has square bottoms

[spare fox]

they're friends and work together on a mission

Dr. Liao gives her new cybernetic eyes

so, I guess you could say she has Liao's eyes lol

unless she's had them upgraded since then ig

[rare trail]

how long has it been since liao died?

also glasses seems like a super random thing to keep as like a memento from liao

[spare fox]

I want to say 7 or 10 years?

[rare trail]

how long was echo around before liao died?

[peak escarp]

a few years

[peak escarp]

on their hero pages

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/

[vapid tusk]

Maybe they went glasses shopping together

And bought the same brand

[viral tendon]

I hate the way they aged the characters like how is Hanzo 40 genji 37 and Kiri 21, these developers are stupid :(

[jaunty flint]

ikr

[wintry tree]

fight them

[leaden galleon]

Do people really refer to narrative designers as developers? And do we really have to call them stupid?

[olive remnant]

anyone wanna type race

[small patio]

I'm with you; without these "stupid developers", aka narrative designers, we wouldn't have the game or the option to dis it.

[golden oak]

Both are stupid tbh

[rare trail]

theres probably some lore explanation for it that they just havent shown us yet

because they fixed soj's age so they probably wouldve fixed kiris unless there was an explanation

[spark tundra]

Is it just me or sigmas real name is AWESOME cause i love it so much

[hushed jetty]

siebren de kuiper is a pretty bangin name

[spark tundra]

SIEBRENNN

And not just that he’s such a nice man

[hushed jetty]

he's so polite

[worn latch]

All my homies love sigma

[native gulch]

Does Mauga even have all that much going on?

[hushed jetty]

imo yes

[viral tendon]

mauga makes me suicidal but i like his lore

[rapid mountain]

Is Talon the enemy of Overwatch

[peak escarp]

yes

[rapid mountain]

Who’s the current leader of Overwatch? Is it still Soldier 76??

Why did Reaper join the enemy

[peak escarp]

the current leaders are Winston and Sojourn

Reaper joined Talon because Moira saved his life (and Moira is with Talon)

[rapid mountain]

What happened to him

So Moira and Doomfist one day just decided they were gonna team up and commit genocide together???

[peak escarp]

Talon is a terrorist organization

it wasn't created by Doomfist or Moira

[rapid mountain]

I thought Doomfist and Moira were the leaders

[peak escarp]

Soldier and Reaper had a fight that resulted in an explosion that destroyed Overwatch's Swiss HQ

both were presumed dead in the explosion

Moira, Reaper, Maximilien, Doomfist and Sanjay Korpal

they are the known leaders of the Talon council

there are others but we don't know who they are

Katya Volskaya

Talon tried to kill her because she wouldn't cooperate

[worn latch]

Steroids

I don't think it's ever been used in lore tho

[peak escarp]

it hasn't

[desert yacht]

we havent seen nano in lore but all the nano related voicelines makes me inclined to think it's canon

torb mentions it's his tech

[peak escarp]

when?

[desert yacht]

if torb dies to a nano boost when he respawns i'm pretty sure he has a "bold of amari to use my own tech against me" voiceline

i know the info in those voicelines aren't explicitly canon like spawn room interactions are but

doom voiceline when he has moira on his team gets a nano multikill and says "moira we need to replicate this 'nano boost'"

so many nods to nano just makes me feel like it has to be canon esp the torb one

[peak escarp]

that doesn't really mean anything

[desert yacht]

yeah but why would they recently make a voiceline of torbjorn saying "that's the tech that i created wtf?!?!" if the ability isn't supposed to exist in lore

why are they proactively adding a lore backstory to an ability if the ability isn't canon to the lore

the voiceline was added in the last few seasons i think

[peak escarp]

heroes have lines reacting to being resurrected by Mercy

she can't actually resurrect people

[desert yacht]

that's diff

[rapid mountain]

What’s the connection between soldiers Helix rockets and whatever group Pharah talks about

[peak escarp]

there is no connection

[rapid mountain]

I think one of her voice lines mentions “Helix”

So soldier 76 helix rockets are just named that for fun??

[peak escarp]

the rockets are called helix rockets because they move in a helix pattern

[rapid mountain]

Oh

[peak escarp]

Pharah's group is called Helix Security

which is unrelated

[desert yacht]

https://youtu.be/UiqCNmYA61s?si=vwjgYqDedPTsYPOS&t=52

like rez voice lines dont proactive add lore to the ability it's just oh thanks

[rapid mountain]

So Pharah hung out with Cassidy when they were younger right??

[peak escarp]

yes

[rapid mountain]

How long was this before he met Ashe

And created Deadlock

[desert yacht]

around 50 seconds if the timestamp isnt working for whatever reason

[peak escarp]

this was after he met Ashe and founded Deadlock

and got busted by Overwatch

[rapid mountain]

Oh

[peak escarp]

because they're a criminal group

the biggest criminal org in the US at one point

her family has nothing to do with it

[rapid mountain]

Do you know how Ashe and Cassidy met??

What state are they from

[peak escarp]

they met in jail

in Texas

[rapid mountain]

Ah ok thanks

Were they like teens or early 20s when deadlock was created

[peak escarp]

Cassidy was 15, Ashe was 17

it was the summer after her high school graduation, before she turned 18

it's covered in the novel Deadlock Rebels

[rapid mountain]

That sounds interesting, ima have to give that a read 😮😮

[peak escarp]

it's a great novel

[keen summit]

i never read it cuz ashe bores me

[spark tundra]

siebrennnn

[novel canyon]

anyone know the lore on widows big fat juicy ginormous booty

[hard dove]

idk

[bleak shell]

!!loreonly

[digital linden]

how does this make sense when maximilian is a member of talon and the council

[rare trail]

it doesnt, talon doesnt want to erase all omnics

[peak escarp]

Talon is also working with Null Sector

[jaunty pike]

Ramattra is pretty silly

Like

Hear me out right

"We are a single generation, dying, rapidly"