lore-discussion

[hushed jetty]

rez, rat's passive, and duplicate?

[peak escarp]

yes

[hushed jetty]

i wouldnt call rez explicitly noncanon, it exists, just not the way it does in game

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta's abilities exist, just not how they do in the game

well, some of them

[hushed jetty]

apparently harmony/discord is just him. speaking to you and making you feel good/bad or whatever

[peak escarp]

yes

[hushed jetty]

which is. still mildly lame but like ok

[peak escarp]

Transcendence is a visual representation of Aurora's ascension

he can also heal somehow, and float

which he claims are gifts from the iris

[hushed jetty]

whatever that means

what the hell is the iris even
aurora ascends and this Thing just manifests in some mountain somewhere

[peak escarp]

🤷‍♀️

they don't explain a lot of things

I was shocked when they outright told us that Anubis caused the omnic crisis

before OW2, the cause of the omnic crisis was a mystery even in universe

[fierce urchin]

Hey did overwatch just had Indian servers
Because I used to get around 120 ping but today I was getting 28 ping

[twilit patrol]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[primal fox]

do we know what torbs wife / brigs mom looks like?

[keen summit]

Yes

[primal fox]

SHES FINE ASF

HOW HE BAG THAT BADDIE

[keen summit]

I wondered the same

[primal fox]

HOWD U BAG THAT BADDIE BRO

[azure bluff]

Hard work pays off, I guess?

[smoky tendon]

man, i miss maximilien

he was going to appear in the pve, but then the pve got cancelled

[peak escarp]

it's not cancelled

[lavish vessel]

Damn ur rich with gold credits

[lavish vessel]

Should see him soon, next wave is speculated to be around talon

[twilit patrol]

What do you mean?

[smoky tendon]

in the overwatch 2 gameplay trailer he's seen talking to doomfist

[twilit patrol]

Yes and?

I know that

[smoky tendon]

erm

[twilit patrol]

We got the first 3 story missions

The next is coming later

So I don't think it got cancelled

[smoky tendon]

we all know the next missions are gonna take forever

[keen summit]

People just didnf understand

[keen summit]

You know what cancelled mesns

[twilit patrol]

What do you know?

[smoky tendon]

erm

[twilit patrol]

I didn't know that

[smoky tendon]

you heard of the layoffs?

[peak escarp]

you assume the next missions are going to take forever

nothing is confirmed

[twilit patrol]

Yes I heard

[smoky tendon]

erm

[keen summit]

Mhm some might already almost be finished tho

[twilit patrol]

But that doesn't mean the next missions will be out in 10 years

[smoky tendon]

erm idk

forget it

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @crisp bloom

[twilit nacelle]

@crisp bloom Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[crisp bloom]

Srry😢

[spare fox]

non-gameplay things to look forward to for S9:
New map (Peru Push?)
Hopefully new interactions/voicelines
Junkertown rework

[past copper]

I thought new map was return of the updated and new game mode of Hanamura?

[spare fox]

maybe? I would think they'd have mentioned it by now, but maybe?

[past copper]

I don’t honk they’ve said anything about Peru yet beyond hinting at it in Illari’s release

[spare fox]

they also haven't mentioned if Loverwatch is coming back

no nothing beyond a teaser at Blizzcon

[past copper]

I mean, it clearly is if they’re bothering to show off Hanzo AND the new Reaper Valentine’s skins

Although, wonder if using a different couple is in their plans

[spare fox]

I meant the game itself - I didn't get to play last year and missed it 😦

[past copper]

I really didn’t care. I couldn’t play it because of tech problems on my end

But that is neither here nor there

I’m mostly looking forward to the next event theme

Although, that Reaper skin look pretty goated

[peak escarp]

they haven't mentioned any map for s9

[golden oak]

Huh, is the last one confirmed

[golden oak]

No map and no hero? 😭
Guess the comp rework is supposed to be the content

[spare fox]

Aaron mentioned it in the director's take yesterday

[golden oak]

Oh

Didn’t read it

What part is getting reworked

I’m guessing 1st point

[spare fox]

they haven't said specifics about JT rework. At first I was thinking it was next in the rotation for OW2 payload map tweaking (to account for only 1 tank), so maybe a few extra crates or abandoned car here or there

but then they have used the word "rework" a couple times and that's now making me think there'll be more to it than that?

[spare fox]

so much this. I do like playing PvP, ever since day 1 don't get me wrong but it's constant "buff nerf nerf buff nerf rework buff nerf nerf" and repeat. I hate to whine but the scope of that aspect has definitely eaten into anything story-related no doubt, since the beginning.

I want to hope that once they're done with the minor adjustments after this patch it won't be so much of the same but...

[strong kestrel]

Why is widowmaker purple

Did she kill 5 kids and stuff then in suits

[peak escarp]

she's purple because her heart rate was slowed to make her a better sniper

[golden oak]

Nah I wouldn’t expect anything big

[keen summit]

No hero is obvious, also not first time we got no map or sum cuz in s5 we had none

[spare fox]

What was the S7 map?

Ah right, Samoa

[keen summit]

Yes

[lofty obsidian]

I'm reaper.

[short holly]

I feel like everyone’s favorite animal has some implication
Like
Some are easy to see, but bastion’s favorite being an elephant kinda confuses me

[keen summit]

Yes most likely

Bastion elephant, not capable of speaking but can get quite old, are tough and have a great capacity of learning

[short holly]

Not capable of speaking is kinda moot since most animals do not speak in a traditional sense

[keen summit]

• turret form u could KINDA see as a childlike showcase of an elephant with the shields being the ears n stuff

[short holly]

Oh shit thats actually kinda smart

[keen summit]

However with elephants its that they also have insane memory to boot

[short holly]

True, and bastion DOES have a locked storage drive

[keen summit]

Exactly

[short holly]

Amazing

[keen summit]

Just a guess from me tho

[short holly]

It’s a good guess tbh

[keen summit]

Cpuld also be simple as lots of children like elephants

And elephants are big and heavy yet mostly friendly and not quickly aggressive unless threatened like bastion

[golden oak]

Because elephants are strong?

Why’s moira obsessed with centipedes tho

[short holly]

That’s boring

[spare fox]

She does have an interaction with someone, I forget who, that's along the lines of "are you familiar with the (scientific centipede name)?" and describes some kind of horrible venomous hunter thing they do

Idk it really icks me out and centipedes are up there in my least fav things so I'm not looking it up lol

[golden oak]

With rein

She threatens him not to test her

[rare trail]

isnt it like "some centipides kill prey 10 times their size"?

did you know that certain centipedes. kill prey 15 times their size? what are you saying? I'm advising my prey not to test me

[keen summit]

She probs likes em cuz they are freaky

Like her

Simple

[azure bluff]

Real talk. Don't fuck with centipedes, they have no fear, no remorse, no sympathy. They are rage in animal form

[iron adder]

So cassidy has an interaction with soldier where he says ''I'll never forgive us for what we did in hanamura''
What did they do at hanamura?

[bleak shell]

Match Interactions aren't really canon but to answer your question McCree visited Hanamura and stopped a robbery at the local Rikimaru. It's not mentioned what Soldier did there.

[iron adder]

i read in the comments of the video with that interaction that it had something to do with genji

[azure bluff]

I got the impression that OW or BW took down Genji and Hanzo's former clan, leaving a power vacuum that the Hashimotos (sp?) took over

[bleak shell]

Yes, it's Genji returning to Hanamura to meet Hanzo for the first time since he was nearly killed.

[iron adder]

ohh

[hushed jetty]

that has nothing to do with cass and soldier though

he's either talking about the robbery or taking down the shimada clan

[peak escarp]

he's talking about taking down the Shimada clan

the robbery was post-overwatch and wouldn't be something Cassidy would feel remorse for

the "we" he's talking about is Blackwatch and doesn't include Soldier

[zenith mango]

New game mode isn’t canon sadge

Wait so black watch took down the shimada clan?

[peak escarp]

yes

[viral tendon]

does that mean in canon time the shimada clan was taken down?

[peak escarp]

yes

they were taken down about 12 years ago in the timeline

[lofty obsidian]

i am reaper.

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[keen summit]

I mean yeah thats why Hashimoto are in charge

[hushed jetty]

thats a

weird question

like strong in what way

[viral tendon]

In current times I’m guessing talon Becuz of moira and doomfist being so op but back in the first omnic crisis probably original overwatch cuz of soldiers and reapers SEP enhancements

And sombra blackmailing everyone and their mothers

[keen summit]

Nag talon

Talon i meant

Brain fart

[vapid tusk]

Blizzard def

[viral tendon]

Mercy mains

[keen summit]

If we take the potential top tiers in raw power for combat, talon has the most

[vapid tusk]

Isn’t there that hard light group

[keen summit]

• a few situational powerhouses like reaper, widow and sombra

[keen summit]

Who is with talon

Vishkar

[vapid tusk]

But it’s not part of talon

Just acquainted

[keen summit]

And if we take theoreticals, then talon is still above cuz sigma

While vishkar is JUST sym for what we know in insane power

[vapid tusk]

Null sector is the weakest imo

[keen summit]

Their advantage is numbers

Theyre not the weakest tho cuz just constant attacks

Los muerto

Junkers

[hushed jetty]

how many organizations are there even, if we include the ones that are only briefly mentioned in specific backstories

[keen summit]

If rama did a focussed attack on one group ge would probs win just cause constant attacks

[vapid tusk]

Idk let’s try to list em all

[keen summit]

Tons, but lots wouldbt really be important

[hushed jetty]

overwatch, talon, null sector, vishkar, helix, uh

los muertos, junkers

[vapid tusk]

Helix

Yeah

[hushed jetty]

deepsea raiders

[keen summit]

Excavation thing, lijang helix the obvious ones, collective was there too, deepsea raiders

[hushed jetty]

lumerico

[keen summit]

Volskaya

Hashimoto

[hushed jetty]

yokai

deadlock

[keen summit]

Not an org

[vapid tusk]

Meka squad

[keen summit]

Thf

[hushed jetty]

do gangs not count

[keen summit]

I mean yokai is like 5 kids

Ig it counts

But eh

[hushed jetty]

im considering just Groups in general

meka yes

[keen summit]

Yea

[vapid tusk]

Super soldiers?

There’s that program

[keen summit]

But through this all talon is strongest, null sector is also powerfull just causexsay if they had groups go 1 to 1 all out null sector would just outlast

[hushed jetty]

are we counting ones that exist in present day or all of them bc shimada clan

[keen summit]

Isnt a group

Its just military

[hushed jetty]

talon has not only physically cracked people but also lots and LOTS of connections

and money

[keen summit]

And both succesfull ones became part of overwatch and talon

[hushed jetty]

overwatch has some busted people but thats also just a group of Dudes

no one is helping them

[keen summit]

They have 2 confirmed insanely powerfull ones, a unkillable person who would win any prolonged fights, a person who can snipe and a person to counter any robotic foes

[hushed jetty]

taking down overwatch is as simple as taking out a large number of their members
you kill a bunch of talon members, that doesnt take out the organization itself

[keen summit]

The only top tier there is winston

Like from the heroes

[hushed jetty]

hell when doomfist himself was out of the picture, some other guy just ran talon instead

[dreamy shoal]

In the overwatch world has genetics evolved to the point where having platinum blond hair like ashe and lw do is considered natural? or do they just dye it. Same for kiriko too. Also eye color too because doom, sym, and widow have yellow eyes, ashe having blood red eyes, sombra having purple eyes. Is it genetic or just dye and eye contacts?

[hushed jetty]

ashe doesnt count she's just albino

i imagine its cybernetics or contacts or something

[keen summit]

Think bout it tho, id say only top tier overwatch has is winston

[dreamy shoal]

SHE IS??

[keen summit]

The rest is like mid tier

[hushed jetty]

its certainly implied

[keen summit]

Red eyes, white hair

[hushed jetty]

pale af, white hair, red eyes

[vapid tusk]

Not confirmed

[keen summit]

I love how ashe is just woman with gun

[dreamy shoal]

She could just be emo idk, I don't know much about white people but aren't they usually pale?

[hushed jetty]

sombra also DEFINITELY doesnt count bc her whole damn body is purple, i wouldnt be surprised if she changed her eye color to match the vibe

[hushed jetty]

this made me crack up im sorry LMFAO

but yeah its not canon

[keen summit]

U have people like mauga and then there is ashe

[hushed jetty]

but implied certainly

[keen summit]

Or just wears contacts that might allow her to interface better too

[hushed jetty]

i think her hair was white since she was a child though, along with her red eyes

[vapid tusk]

with a handsome lad*

[keen summit]

Yep

But if the whole of talon went vs the whole of overwatch, talon would win

Easily imho

I mean bal and cass struggled against regular soldiers

[hushed jetty]

whats up w mauga's eyes/hair anyway

[keen summit]

Hair is probs just greying

[hushed jetty]

i like to pretend his hair just Became like that spontaneously after the incident as like, poliosis or soemthing but we dont actually know

it would be funny af if he was just greying-

[keen summit]

I think so tbh

As we see his hair wasnt always like it even after the accident in hospital

[hushed jetty]

and why are my boys eyes that color
we dont know if his eyes were Always that color bc he's wearing those. stupid goddamn glasses

[keen summit]

Or eyes closed

[hushed jetty]

i like to pretend the surgery somehow caused poliosis to appear which turned some of his hair white

and if they make that canon i will shit myself

but until then

[keen summit]

Talon is stacked tho

[hushed jetty]

very true

greatest hacker in the world, sadistic freak w two hearts, world class sniper who only feels joy while killing, reaper, moira, DOOMFIST

[keen summit]

If overwatch wants to compete in pure power theyd need atleast orisa

[hushed jetty]

and sigma i guess idk he's there too

[vapid tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/anna-frozen-gif-14875428

[keen summit]

And then potentially sigma so even the theoretical strongest group has one with them

[hushed jetty]

he's in the corner eating a stroopwafel he's ok

[hushed jetty]

embed failure but i know damn well what you're posting 😭

[keen summit]

If overwatch gets like lw and orisa they might stand a chance

Orisa is kn the top group too and lw is one of the theoretically strongest

[hushed jetty]

when is blizzard giving us a canonical powerscale

fr

[peak escarp]

why do they need to?

[keen summit]

I wouldn't trust them with it

Im ngl

[peak escarp]

power levels aren't important

[keen summit]

Imho matchups in lore would be more important

Cuz say orisa joins overwatch, then theyd still have sombra with talon so that then exists

[keen summit]

And im ngl i dont trust the current lore team to do well with it, i mean the common folk seem to not know the lore imagine if they said "sombra is the strongest cuz hacking!"

[peak escarp]

what

[hushed jetty]

it'd be funny

[keen summit]

Yknoe

I think its funny how many people misunderstand illari lore

When its so simple

[hushed jetty]

youve said this but ive never seen anyone do that

[peak escarp]

how do people misunderstand it?

[keen summit]

I had one yesterday

[keen summit]

"shes a psychopath"

[peak escarp]

what

how do they get that?

the explosion was an accident

[keen summit]

Thats what im surprised by too

[peak escarp]

these people probably don't even know what a psychopath is

[vapid tusk]

The only person who blames illari for the explosion is herself

[peak escarp]

this is "killer robot" Echo all over again

[keen summit]

Yep

Its comical to me

[peak escarp]

hilarious

[keen summit]

Illaris lore is so damn easy

Yet many people misunderstand it

Ive had to give this explanation to 10 people atleast

[peak escarp]

[keen summit]

In this server alone

Check the comments of her origin story

So many people just say shes a psycho

[peak escarp]

🙄

[keen summit]

"didnt she throw a sun at her people"

[peak escarp]

did they even watch the origin story?

that's not what happens

[keen summit]

I doubt it

Misunderstanding like tracer lore i can kinda get

But like illari is just so baffling

[lofty obsidian]

im reapere

[keen summit]

On sombra actually tho, i forgot could she not kill lynx or did she not cuz mercy or sum

Cuz if she straigh up couldnt cuz lynx is a hacker then that means you could probs think of sum for most, orisa could have insanely strong firewall and antivurus cuz efi is a genius, ram as he has a hatred for human tactics likely has ways to counter things like hacking

[hushed jetty]

i imagine omnics have firewalls and whatnot but sombra is also the Best Hacker in the World

im sure even she would eventually find a way in

[torpid coyote]

i feel like since talon found zen she’s just gonna hack her way into him

[keen summit]

Atleast try to

[torpid coyote]

zen plays such a huge role tbh

i mean him and ramattra are literally brothers

who knows what could happen if sombra managed to actually control him

[keen summit]

They srent

Theyre both monks

Well were

They arent literal brothers

[torpid coyote]

ahhh

okay

[keen summit]

What would u think would? Zen doesnt even seem to know where ram is

Ram is likely in fucking antartica

And trust me, talon doesnt wantvto anger ram either

[hushed jetty]

well i mean. they did just rob one of his ships

im sure he doesnt know but theyre not opposed to working behind his back

[keen summit]

In secret tho

[torpid coyote]

if talon took control of zen (literally) and publicize i wonder what ram would do

[keen summit]

That was the entire point, they did it steakthfully for a reason

[torpid coyote]

eeeee i really wanna see what happens later on in the story

[keen summit]

We really got no clue what they want to do to sen

Zen

[torpid coyote]

unfortunately blizzard laid off so many employees so we won’t be seeing that anytime soon

[keen summit]

We only see widow grapple away and stuff

So we know theyre stopped

Then zen will likely join after putting together who it is

The mystery omnic

Then he will help with thexsearch to try and reason with him

Thats likely why theyd want zen gone tho

They would kill zen, blame it on humans killing him make ramattras hatred rise more and why zen? Personal connection AND hes the only one who could reason with him cuz he gets ranattra

Zen follows a part of ramattras believe, and that is that to get something good sacrifice is needed

Also im ngl, wouldnt surprise me if zen saw ram in genji

[keen summit]

after rereading, i think doom fought mauga with gauntlet

as in dooms own bio, which i reread to look for context clues, it makes it clear that he immidiatly took the gauntlet.
Ogundimu slayed his mentor, and assumed the mantle of Doomfist—taking on both the infamous weapon and the name. Talon understood the new Doomfist was an unmatched strategist, capable of leading both Talon’s military arm and its dealings that required more subterfuge. He would be the perfect replacement, and the rest of the organization began to fall in line.

and thats the only reason why he could seemingly recruit people

[worthy rose]

Booo

[tribal agate]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IBSqDhoi01Q

[shut umbra]

doom is still the strongest ow character, doom>ram>reaper>mauga>winston

[rare trail]

winston has beaten doom

orisa has beaten doom

[shut umbra]

under terrible circumstances

[rare trail]

wdym

[shut umbra]

he was already pre exhausted from fighting genji, tracer, and winston at the same time. and winning

monkey got a boost in stats, its also logical

reaper>winston even when primal

[keen summit]

What the fuck is this

[shut umbra]

and we know doom>reaper

[keen summit]

Ram?

[rare trail]

not really, he dealt with genji and tracer pretty easily and wasnt visibly hurt from either of them

[keen summit]

Ram isnt even known

[rare trail]

how?

they've never fought

[keen summit]

Orisa also beat doon twice

[shut umbra]

most accurate scale

[keen summit]

Do you include theoreticals too

[shut umbra]

because doom would speed blitz reaper

no im just scaling the characters off feats lmao

[keen summit]

Reaper doesnt die fron physical stuff

Reaper cant die fron anything physical

[rare trail]

but you dont count the feat of winston beating doom?

[shut umbra]

he would run laps around reaper before reaper can even shoot him lmao

[rare trail]

youre just guessing

[shut umbra]

a pre exhausted doom fighting 3 people and forced plot induction, sure u can count it

based off feats prime doom is still stronger

[rare trail]

he wasnt exhausted

[shut umbra]

its literally his speed feats

[rare trail]

you just want doom to be stronger because you like the character

[shut umbra]

wow youre actually braindead

lmao ram is my favorite and so is reaper

we could debate it if u want in vc

[keen summit]

And why is ram above reaper?

[keen summit]

Nah ur doing it here

[rare trail]

theres nothing showing doom was exhausted from his fight with genji and tracer

[shut umbra]

doom scales the highest in the verse, also orisa beating doom isnt a valid argument because we dont know third party involvements we know that all of the country was trying to take down a YOUNG doom who just got the gauntlet

[rose pumice]

ram a chad

[keen summit]

Aside from that theres more

[rare trail]

and ramattra has like no canon abilities

[shut umbra]

hop in a vc rq both of u its way easier to explain

[rare trail]

wdym

have you read hero of numbani

[shut umbra]

he has databook statements

[keen summit]

How about symmetra being capable of creating 1 km long worth of matter

[rare trail]

?

[shut umbra]

hes qouted to be one of the strongest omnics lmao

if not the

hold on ill find the scan

[shut umbra]

false identification, thats a fallacy

im ngl i completely forgot sigma

[keen summit]

No? His model was ravager model, jq has killed tons

[keen summit]

Sigma is theoretical

[shut umbra]

sigma literally has the strongest feat in the verse

he just has no speed feats

[keen summit]

No? K

[shut umbra]

so hes kinda null rn

[rare trail]

it could also be talking about how hes "strong" like the president of a country is strong because they can command a military

[keen summit]

E dont even know how much equipment he used for the blackhole

[shut umbra]

whats the strongest feat in the verse? pleas tell me

[rare trail]

orisa beating doom probably

[shut umbra]

regardless.. he tanked a black whole, controlled it, and rearranges matter while defying phsyics. that alone scales him atleast solar lmao

[keen summit]

Orisa face tanking a full power punch from doom without flinching, maua taking multiple explosions in his face

[shut umbra]

he just has 0 speed feats

[rare trail]

he ddint really control the blackhole

[shut umbra]

when did orisa take a full power punch without moving?

[keen summit]

We dont know if he can even control ot

[keen summit]

Hero of numbani

Multiple

[rare trail]

you should probably like read the book where doom gets shit on before saying hes the strongest in lore

[shut umbra]

so ur still using a doom who had just got the gauntlet?

[keen summit]

Our current doom

[shut umbra]

weve seen what low experience does to gaunlet users

[rare trail]

when?

[shut umbra]

etc the kid using the gauntlet for the first time

[keen summit]

Yes, this is recent doom mate

[shut umbra]

crazy ass punch, couldnt use it anymore

[shut umbra]

show me

[keen summit]

Orisa is 1 year old

How could orisa be vs novice doom

[rare trail]

that was a child not a trained martial artist with a cybernetic arm

[keen summit]

HERO OF NUMBANI

Its a book

[shut umbra]

i cant post scans

hold up

[keen summit]

Send it

[shut umbra]

u cant send images

[rare trail]

they dont have reg

[keen summit]

Send to me

I can

[shut umbra]

doomfist destroyed multiple or15 bots, orisa is literally just a boosted or15 lmfao

[keen summit]

Ill check validity

[keen summit]

Yes? And orisa is specifically made to win and did twice

[shut umbra]

so send the scan of orisa taking a punch from doom and ill debunk

[keen summit]

Orisa beat doom twice

[shut umbra]

first time was literally the worst circumstances possible

[keen summit]

Mate, its a fucking book

[keen summit]

.... Like?

[shut umbra]

its a fallacious argument assuming orisa with 0 speed feats>doom

[keen summit]

Again orisa is 1 years old

[shut umbra]

its online no?

[keen summit]

Nope

[rare trail]

you havent read the book how could you possibly know this

[keen summit]

It is in orisa wiki

Wanna know how doom got away?

Hostages

[shut umbra]

ive seen the first scan, not the second

[rare trail]

what was bad about the circumstances?

[shut umbra]

doom scales above orisa

orisa is featless lmao

[rare trail]

orisa beat him twice

[shut umbra]

cool she has good durability

[rare trail]

orisa beat doom twice

[shut umbra]

wheres her speed

[keen summit]

While orisa best him twice

[shut umbra]

ok so show me the confrontation both times, explain and substantiuate the claim

[keen summit]

How is ram stronger than mauga if we have 0 indication of speed

[rare trail]

you have the burden of proof

[shut umbra]

based of statements lmao

i dont have burden of proof

[keen summit]

Which?

[shut umbra]

r u braindead

[keen summit]

Which statements

[shut umbra]

ur the one claiming orisa has more feats

so show me the feats...

lmao

[rare trail]

its generally accepted that orisa is stronger than doom

[shut umbra]

you cant debate for your life

generally accepted=objective truth

[keen summit]

I explained them already but sure

[rare trail]

im not saying that

im saying that if youre going against whats generally accepted the burden of proof is on you

[shut umbra]

so whats the relevancy of that argument

[shut umbra]

lmao u have brainrot

do you know how burden of proof works

let me explain

going against what is generally accepted isnt burden of proof.. burden of proof is a fallacy used in an argument when person A presents a point, person B rebuttles asking person A who is claiming something to substantiuate and provide proof of that argument

[shut umbra]

idk where u got this from, i actually laughed

ok so i just debunked u @keen summit

so like i said there WERE circumstances

[keen summit]

Only reason doom got the upper hand was cuz his troops

[keen summit]

In dooms favor

Aka doom and orisa were equal

[shut umbra]

''She drove away Doomfist with the help of Lucio (and both their respective ultimates) but didn't quiet beat him down or anything like Winston did.

You can read more about it in Efi's novel. There's an audio book version featuring Orisa's voice actress.''

[keen summit]

Yes i sent it here

Doom had a group of talon soldiers

Doom v orisa was evenly matched

Now please dm me the "ramattra strongest omnic" statement

[shut umbra]

lucio protected orisa from dooms opening lmao

[keen summit]

Yes, doom got the opening from using soldiers

[shut umbra]

says who?

[keen summit]

And doom couldnt dent her shield

[keen summit]

REAF

[shut umbra]

it doesnt say that

fallacious argument

it doesnt say that

[keen summit]

Can you read

[shut umbra]

orisa redirected the barrier, that was her choice. the soldiers didnt directly give her that. also this is overwatch 1 orisa correct?"

[keen summit]

Yes, aftwr this she got MORE upgrades

[shut umbra]

she lost a barrier and halt, i wouldnt say upgrades. that spear isnt hitting doom

[rare trail]

she didnt lose barrier and halt in lore

[keen summit]

We dont know if she lost them in lore

Ots never said

Therefore not facts

[rare trail]

in game abilities != lore abilities

[keen summit]

Same for ram tho

Where is that

[shut umbra]

again, a fallacious argument since this is a summary and not the actual book. but lets assume that she redirected it due to the soldiers. its a 2v2 then, and doom wouldve broke her defense if not for lucio. otherwise he wouldve used it

[shut umbra]

thats true its never stated. its a fair and logical assumption tho since her body is changes

im finding the ram statement one sec

ill send it to u

[rare trail]

no it isnt

[shut umbra]

why dont we go in vc and talk abt it? its a lot easier

[keen summit]

Her body still has supercharger

[rare trail]

its not a logical assumption to guess that efi would remove the graviton and barrier for no reason

[keen summit]

And stikl a slot for barrier

[keen summit]

Especially cus they worked well vs doom

[rare trail]

yeah like the graviton saved bisis life

and efis

[keen summit]

The bigger question is if orisa defeats others cuz we already know doom amd her 1v1 she wins

[rare trail]

i think she could probably beat most people because of how durable she is

but like sym might be able to incapacitate her by like putting her in a box

[keen summit]

I mean im more surprised cuz hes all feats genjivisnt there

Hes super mobile and cut through lots of insane things

[rare trail]

ig bc genji got beat by doom but like genji has progressed a ton since then

like doom origin story was 7ish years ago?

[keen summit]

Yep

[shut umbra]

im still reading rams wiki and finding the data book for ow2, but assuming genji progressed without assuming doom progressed is illogical. dude wasnt even in his prime when he fought winston and orisa

[keen summit]

And we know genji was holding back

[keen summit]

Ill save u the trouble, there is no official data book

We have a history book, thats all

[shut umbra]

lmao yes there is. its qouted in vsbw

[keen summit]

There isnt

[rare trail]

no one is assuming doom hasnt progressed

[keen summit]

No official one

[keen summit]

And vsbw?

Cuz no

[rare trail]

and why wouldnt doom be in his prime a year ago or in singapore

how long was doom in jail?

[shut umbra]

because he just got the gauntlet and killed off his master without even learning the full capabilities

[rare trail]

not for orisa

and im not sure how long he had the gauntlet before singapore

oh yeah 4 years

[shut umbra]

im pretty sure akinjide is stronger than ogundimu tho

[rare trail]

why

[keen summit]

ha!

He killed him before

Not after he got it

[shut umbra]

a lot more experience, i mean he was the master. doom probably snuck him

[shut umbra]

thats what i meant

he took it from his master

he didnt even learn how to utilize it properly

[rare trail]

he had 2 years to learn

if he didnt learn how the gauntlet worked in two years doom is a dumbass lmao

[keen summit]

Doom already was a martial artist and feared for his skill

[shut umbra]

and then lost his arm

and had a prosthetic

[rare trail]

the prosthetics in ow lore are basically just like stronger arms

[shut umbra]

while it didnt hinder him

yea

[rare trail]

like his can punch through concrete

[shut umbra]

but the doom gauntlet cant be used by anyone

[keen summit]

But again, where is this data book of yours

[shut umbra]

i sent u the link qouting a type of book

[rare trail]

he had two years to learn+all the time under akinjide

[shut umbra]

im calling it a data book, which is just a book giving description and date on characters not further rebuttled on

[rare trail]

maybe he means declassified? im not sure if ram is in that though

[keen summit]

Hes not

[rare trail]

there isnt an official overwatch book like that

[keen summit]

Hes not mentioned cuz declassified is an in lore history book

[shut umbra]

prove akinjide was teaching him how to use the doomfist gauntlet tho, thats not ever stated. he was helping him with his prosthetic most likely

[keen summit]

That doesnt exist mate

[rare trail]

regardless TWO YEARS is a long time to learn

[keen summit]

Declassified mentions he learned from him

In general

[shut umbra]

vsbw qoutes its stated he was the strongest omnic in his army, viewed them as slaves. can also use voiceline statements

[rare trail]

what is vsbw

[keen summit]

......

WHAT THE FUCK

[shut umbra]

cool. thats not argument

[shut umbra]

vs battle wiki

[keen summit]

thats absolutely wrong lmao

[rare trail]

a wiki isnt a good source

[keen summit]

No no no

Hold up pal

[shut umbra]

its vsbw, its pretty good

it doesnt make up info

[keen summit]

In this case absolutely not

[keen summit]

It does here

[shut umbra]

it only qoutes and summarizes

[keen summit]

Mate, ur talking to a rama lore expert here

Its why i singled him out

[shut umbra]

rama lore expert wont vc debate?

[keen summit]

Ramattra never was mentioned to be the strongest

[rare trail]

the wikis are supposed to have like sources for their quotes whats their source

[shut umbra]

sounds a bit goonish

[shut umbra]

it does

[rare trail]

why are you so obsessed with vcing

[keen summit]

Cuz i am in a train

[rare trail]

whats the source

[keen summit]

Ramattra was a stronger type of commander soldier

Ravager type

Jq has beat multiple

Overwatch members have beat multiple

We never have gotten confirmation ram us stronger than them

[hushed jetty]

if we're debating strength agaib im gonna explode

[shut umbra]

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Ramattra#Story go to the sources

[keen summit]

I know the sources mate

U demanded us to find it

Tell me, copy paste it

[shut umbra]

bc typing is a lot difficult to explain, its get circular and i can explain better in vc

[shut umbra]

?

[keen summit]

Copy paste

[shut umbra]

im not talking to u im talking to him

brainrot

[rare trail]

what is the exact quote you are talking about that says ram is the strongest in his army

[keen summit]

Its for once a true powerscaler

[shut umbra]

ok miner

let me ask u a question from a logical stand point

[hushed jetty]

ravagers were designed to lead their squads into battle yes - we dont know exactly what that means from an ability standpoint

[keen summit]

Im waiting for the quote that rama was the strongest

[rare trail]

vs battles wiki also says that ram in lore has nemesis form so it cant really be trusted

[shut umbra]

if rammatra controls an army, and somewhat controls null sector. does that not make him the strongest? same argument from a king. if a king controls a country. that makes him the strongest.

[shut umbra]

is this not true?

[hushed jetty]

physically not necessarily

[keen summit]

Yes, so ur argument is that null sector, not rama himself

[keen summit]

Not confirmed

[rare trail]

nemesis hasnt been shown in canon

[hushed jetty]

abilities arent necessarily canon until we see them used in canon

[twilit patrol]

I think we know that Ram made some improves on himself but that's it

[shut umbra]

this is a fair point

[keen summit]

Ramattra also isnt even stronger necessarily than his own troops

[twilit patrol]

I doubt that Ram would be stronger than the titan

[hushed jetty]

ramattra even has giant attack on titan ass robots and overwatch found ways to take those down too

[twilit patrol]

So yeah

[keen summit]

Axeras i recommend you read back btw just for fun

[hushed jetty]

oh boy

[twilit patrol]

And it wasn't that easy

[shut umbra]

overwatch has some of the most broken characters for this purpose

[keen summit]

We have 0 indication rama beats most

[keen summit]

Like?

[shut umbra]

genji, mei, tracer

rein

although thats ow2

[twilit patrol]

Wdym by ''broken''?

[shut umbra]

ow1 is even more broken w soldier

like extremely capable and situated for a circumstance

[hushed jetty]

broken in the sense of really powerful i suppose

[keen summit]

Buddy says rein js broken but not litteral matter creation with sym

[shut umbra]

not a part of ow yet

[keen summit]

I know

But earlier

[shut umbra]

so whats ur point

literal brainrot

[hushed jetty]

in overwatch the strongest is probably winston

as he beat doomfist

[keen summit]

He disagrees

[shut umbra]

and how does sym 'create' matter

[twilit patrol]

Yeah

[keen summit]

Hardlightm

[twilit patrol]

Wdym?

[shut umbra]

ive always found this as fallacious

[keen summit]

Creates bridges

[shut umbra]

you cant create matter

[keen summit]

We have seen it

[keen summit]

Well she legit can

We see it

[hushed jetty]

not literal matter creation but hard light is pretty busted in theory

[keen summit]

All the tike

[shut umbra]

light is not matter

[hushed jetty]

she can just create anything

[keen summit]

She can instantly create bridges

[shut umbra]

its radiation of energy

binding energy isnt creating matter

[keen summit]

Hardened

To the point of blocking attacks

[hushed jetty]

hardlight is physical though

[keen summit]

Punches from doom

[shut umbra]

this is true but not his point

[keen summit]

Were stopped by hardlight

Abd as sym is better with hardlight than basic shields

[shut umbra]

still not creating matter, that is something so broken. she would literally transcend 3 dimensional characters in overwatch

[hushed jetty]

i think youre getting caught up on the phrasing of "creating matter"

[shut umbra]

i am yes

[hushed jetty]

the point is that sym can create huge structures with ease

[shut umbra]

he stated it

[hushed jetty]

which is in theory, insane

[shut umbra]

as in literal sense

[keen summit]

Are you by any chance autistic, just wondering

[shut umbra]

we still dont rlly know the limitations to it tho, there has to be drawbacks otherwise she has the highest durability

she still gets speed blitzed by half the verse

[hushed jetty]

Hello?????

[shut umbra]

no lol, i mean you are actually brainrot and wont debate me on a topic.

[keen summit]

Not as an insult, but would explain

[hushed jetty]

speed isnt necessarily the winning factor either

[keen summit]

I was wondering cuz u take everything people say super litterally

[hushed jetty]

doomfist predicted tracer's movements and grabbed her

[shut umbra]

it really is in a scaling. someone who can blitz someone in a bloodlusted fight is going to kill that person before they can react.

[keen summit]

Say we tale dool, we havent sen him run at all, sym could theoretically just, create a cage around him

[dreamy shoal]

Is lucio disabled? Why is every skin he has only have roller skates on? Where are his legs and feet?

[keen summit]

Done

[hushed jetty]

he has legs

[keen summit]

Hes not

[hushed jetty]

he's just wearing roller skates because... he has them on in game

[shut umbra]

he lowk adapted and tracer really isnt 'fast' per say, shes constantly moving through a pocket dimension and exiting it in another space

[hushed jetty]

it wouldnt make any sense for a skin to not have roller skates when you can wall ridd

[dreamy shoal]

He can wall run like a ninja

[shut umbra]

sym gets speed blitzed by doom lmao

[hushed jetty]

well we dont really have a literal speedster type character, she's the closest

[keen summit]

And his movement being roller skating

[shut umbra]

he would run laps around her before she can perceive whos attacking her

[keen summit]

When was doom shown as fast

[shut umbra]

are u serious

[keen summit]

WTF

[dreamy shoal]

Speed blitz?

[hushed jetty]

this would require changing the animation, for a skin, which is weird

[keen summit]

Mate ge stood still the entire fight vs overwatch and even when he did move he was slow

We never have seen him be insanely fast

Say he could run fast why didnt he just follow up his lubch on winston

[rare trail]

to be fair he was fighting genji and tracer at the time

[keen summit]

Again, he means feats

[dreamy shoal]

To be fair we still haven't seen Symmetra fight in action, so who says she can't beat doom.

[keen summit]

There are no feats of doom being fast

[shut umbra]

doomfist fought tracer genji and winston at the sametime while tracer was blinking and recalling constantly, into a pocket dimension, rewriting the timeline and bending 4 dimensional space and was still outclassed. dodged winston's tesla Gun from near point-blank range which attacked reaper before reaper can properly attack

and let me put that feat into perspective for you

(youre gonna scale syms speed after btw) so get that ready

[rare trail]

thats not really how tracers power works

[keen summit]

You dont understand teacer either

Goddamb

[hushed jetty]

thats one hell of a way to describe tracer

[shut umbra]

on a scientific way, yes

thats how he powers work

[hushed jetty]

like obviously if you put it like that it sounds insane

[keen summit]

Its legit just point a to bo

[shut umbra]

scientifically thats how it works. i can show u and elaborate in vc

which is why i preffered it

[keen summit]

Doon predicted and got her

[rare trail]

trying to describe overwatch powers scientifically is a little crazy and thats not the explanation given in lore

[hushed jetty]

"rewriting the timeline" is crazy what does that even mean

[keen summit]

Which also is false

[shut umbra]

thats what she does tho

[keen summit]

No?

[rare trail]

like tracer doesnt go into a pocket dimension

[shut umbra]

????????????????/

bro

[keen summit]

Cuz if she could rewrite, why did mondatta get shot

[shut umbra]

racer's chronal-accelerator is actually a super computer capable of manipulating energy and matter to Tracer's will thanks to Tracer herself being in a simulation that is allowed to break the current real laws of the universe.

[rare trail]

what the fuck are you talking about

[shut umbra]

Ignoring classical Newtonian (absolute time) and focusing more on modern general relativity , the multiverse theorem , the law of thermodynamics and simulation paradox we can explain how tracer interacts with "space-time".

[keen summit]

Im certain hes ass pulling now

[shut umbra]

this powerscaler on reddit perfectly explained it

[keen summit]

One sec

[shut umbra]

its split second brother

[keen summit]

Excactly

[twilit patrol]

That's true, she literally could bring Mondatta back to life.

[hushed jetty]

one dude on reddit isnt a great source

[shut umbra]

its going forward not backward

[rare trail]

i dont think powerscalers are capable of perfectly explaining anything

[twilit patrol]

But she couldn't

[shut umbra]

its rewriting to propel her in a forward distance

[shut umbra]

its just explaining it scientifically

[twilit patrol]

I don't understand your point seriously

[rare trail]

thats not how it works

[shut umbra]

its hard to explain on text

could we all hop in a vc rq so i can explain/

[hushed jetty]

its overwatch why are we explaining it scientifically anyway?? you have no idea if thats how it actually works

[shut umbra]

its so much easier

[rare trail]

the way tracer works is she skips her body forward a second in time so she blinks to where she would be

[shut umbra]

u dont have to talk

just listen

[twilit patrol]

?

[shut umbra]

this is an EXTREMELY dumbed down statment

[twilit patrol]

We don't even understand your point

[shut umbra]

again, youre explaining the literal explanation

[rare trail]

thats the explanation given in lore

[shut umbra]

ok goose

explain the chronal accelerator

and what it does

[rare trail]

isnt it called the chronal anchor?

[shut umbra]

u too @keen summit

[keen summit]

God, okay listen. Doom never showed being fast, tesla cannon isnt fast . His movement against tracer wasnt fast, it was noticing her pattern

[hushed jetty]

accelerator i believe

is it anchor?

idk

[keen summit]

Yes

[twilit patrol]

Idk either

[keen summit]

It isan anchor

[rare trail]

its an anchor but its called accelerator nvm

[twilit patrol]

But she actually only can go back in time herself.

[keen summit]

And a way to basically if she goes "im going there" skip the processof going there

[shut umbra]

doom is hypersonic+

[keen summit]

Hence accelerator

[twilit patrol]

Hypersonic+?

[hushed jetty]

no he's? not?

[shut umbra]

his movement against genji, tracer, and winston at the sametime was fast

[twilit patrol]

You don't make any sense

[rare trail]

anyways what it does is keep her anchored in time so she doesnt do what she did after the slipstream accident

[keen summit]

Then she can use the same principle to say time goes back

[shut umbra]

do u want me to prove how the tesla canon shooting at point blank range and dodging it would you make u hypersonic

[rare trail]

powerscalers often dont

[keen summit]

It wasnt, everything was in real time

[keen summit]

So a few null sector omnics are hypersonic?

[shut umbra]

i mean youre an absolute idiot. you cant understand basic physics or wont enter a vc so i can explain to protect ur ego

[hushed jetty]

if doomfist was hypersonic he wouldve wiped winston easily. like

[shut umbra]

miner

how fast do u think hypersonic is

[keen summit]

We dont so we can archive and read it

[shut umbra]

go

type

dont google

how fast do u think it is

[shut umbra]

ill type it out as i vc

[keen summit]

Its above speedcof sound, as many bullets are

Sub sonic are below

[rare trail]

tesla canon isnt as fast as you think it is

[shut umbra]

scaling a character from a story perspective and a feat perspective r diff

[shut umbra]

so explain

[keen summit]

Tesla canon always is shown as slow

[shut umbra]

at point blank rage

[rare trail]

if doom can dodge it, and hes not magic, its not that fast

[shut umbra]

ur telling me

[rare trail]

like

[shut umbra]

dodging something point blank range

isnt fast?

[rare trail]

its fast, its not like faster than a bullet fast

[keen summit]

And also u mentioned reaper, reaper is fucking slow

[shut umbra]

hes def moving at the speed of a bullet or faster. i dont think u understand how fast electricity is at point blank

[keen summit]

Reaper got hit by a backhand big volskaya mech

[shut umbra]

he is, but im using him as referance

[keen summit]

That took 2 seconds to impact

[hushed jetty]

yes its electricity but because this is a fight, and not one where everyone is supposed to be super busted, some liberties have to be taken in the media in order to make things not super one sided

[shut umbra]

reaper couldnt dodge it point blank

doom did

[rare trail]

also in the video it kinda looks like doom was outside tesla canon range and then just aim dodged

[keen summit]

Which isnt special

Reaper cant dodge shit

[shut umbra]

dodging point blank electricity is yes special in this verse

[shut umbra]

reaper is a super soldier

hes not fasst

[keen summit]

Reaper not being able to dodge isnt

[shut umbra]

obviously

[keen summit]

Did u watch infiltration

[shut umbra]

but this doesnt downplay reaper, it upscales doom

[keen summit]

2 seconds of windup

He saw everything

Didnt dodge

[shut umbra]

bro

im saying

DOOm

DOOM

wow ur so braindead

okay DOOM

[keen summit]

Yes, and we could follow his movements correct

[shut umbra]

dodged TESLA POINT BLANK

REAPER (A SUPER SOLDIER) couldnt

[rare trail]

reaper wasnt trying to dodge it

he was on the ground and caught off guard

[hushed jetty]

where the hell would doom have even gotten "hypersonic" speed from

[keen summit]

It took a whole second to get to him

I checked

Winston shot, 1 second, it gets to doom

[rare trail]

he tried to shoot winston instead of dodging because reaper had just gotten up

[keen summit]

He wasnt

Oh u meant eith winston

[rare trail]

yeah

[shut umbra]

miner

[rare trail]

reaper was just knocked on the ground from shield bubble malfunctioning

[shut umbra]

i want u to explain winstons tesla canon

[rare trail]

he wasnt up and ready like doomfist was

[shut umbra]

and what u think it shoots out

please explain to us @keen summit

[shut umbra]

yes he was i just watched the clip he got up before

[keen summit]

Im using your logic, of using the "in lore what i see" logic

[shut umbra]

even if hes not up, it would make it faster to move out the waty

[shut umbra]

ok wait

[keen summit]

So we see winston shoot

[shut umbra]

explain winstons tesla canon

what he shoots

lets hear it buddy

[rare trail]

reaper decided to shoot him instead of trying to dodge or going into wraith form

[keen summit]

Irs litterally just electricity, using coils to charge it up and transmitting it through the air

[shut umbra]

he would def rather dodge instead of getting stunned lmao

[shut umbra]

ok good

[keen summit]

However like always in ow, they dont make it be completely correct

[rare trail]

why wouldnt he go into wraith form then

[shut umbra]

so u agree winston shoots electricity?

u just conceded to my other point

[keen summit]

Yes, however again, we see it takes time.

[rare trail]

reaper just got greedy and thought he could shoot winston faster

[shut umbra]

ok perfect

so you would agree once its charged up and shot, the travel distance would insinuate someones speed correct?

if they dodge it^

[keen summit]

So if we take your logic of "doon dodged it" then we should also take into account that it took 1 second to get to him

[keen summit]

We know the travel time

We see it

1 second from when he shoots

Not charges

[shut umbra]

1 second in the video

[hushed jetty]

certainly, and the travel distance is not as fast as you think it is

[keen summit]

So nowthe video isnt reliable?

[shut umbra]

ur assuming 1 second in the clip= 1 sec in the verse

[hushed jetty]

yes in real life that would be insane

[shut umbra]

nono

i didnt say that

[hushed jetty]

cause it is

in this instance it basically is

[shut umbra]

a second in a video is one second in the verse? so why when widow shot the omnic the bullet was moving slower than usual

[keen summit]

Doom had: 1 second to hear the cannon charging, then 1 second to react to ghe shot

[shut umbra]

thats an example of 1 second in a real life video not being the same as inside the verse

[shut umbra]

so did reaper, he didnt have 1 second to react to an electromagnetic wave

[rare trail]

they werent talking about the widow video

[keen summit]

Because there it was shown to be, here it was not. Zero indication it wasfaster

[hushed jetty]

its not ALWAYS one second in the verse, but in this instance it is - i see no reason to believe that it was slowed down

[rare trail]

reaper was getting up when it started being charged

[keen summit]

OMG I WASNT TALKING ABOUT WIDOW UR SO DUMB!

[shut umbra]

why would we assuming youtube short clips are the same length as in verse fight

[keen summit]

[shut umbra]

i was giving an example

youre slow

how old are you genuine question?

[keen summit]

So was i

[rare trail]

and reaper couldve just wraithed out of there if he wanted to dodge it instead he got greedy and tried to shoot winston

[shut umbra]

maybe its out of ur reach to understand physics

[hushed jetty]

yes its electricity but this is overwatch and if we assume that everything works as we assume it would in real life then a lot of things would be stupid. like having "hypersonic" speed

[shut umbra]

i apologize

[keen summit]

You realize im an engineer right?

Every time you asked a question i answered correctly

However ow universe isnt ours

[shut umbra]

its not illogical to understand doom being hypersonic

[rare trail]

yea it is

theres nothing in lore that would make doom reasonably that fast

[shut umbra]

ok ur an engineer, but u dont understand physics?

[hushed jetty]

where would he get hypersonic speed

[rare trail]

if doom was that fast, he wouldnt have needed to predict tracer

[keen summit]

When did i answer your lhysics querys wrong?

[shut umbra]

from dodging a tesla canon point blank range, dodging genji who is shown to travel an entire block and street (if the video is the same as the time irl) less than a second

why would that be far fetched?

how fast do u think genji moves when he dashes

[keen summit]

Genji wasnt fighting to kill

[shut umbra]

he can deflect bullets meaning he can react to the bullets

why is it far fetched to say doom is hypersonic?

[shut umbra]

even better, it means a non blood lusted genji is atleast subsonic

[rare trail]

in lore hes only deflected arrows and highly telegraphed titan shots

[shut umbra]

how far way was the arrow

[rare trail]

it was scatter arrows iirc?

[hushed jetty]

yeah

[keen summit]

Nah

[rare trail]

and another one which was also telegraphed

[keen summit]

Also one normal

[rare trail]

yeah when he like cut it in half

[keen summit]

However the time he "reacted" wasnt actually a reaction

[hushed jetty]

it was several feet away i believe

[keen summit]

Doom never reacted to genji

[shut umbra]

is overwatch storm rising canon?

[hushed jetty]

yes

[rare trail]

obviously

[shut umbra]

??????

ok good

[keen summit]

Doom put genji into theair where he had no ootions

[shut umbra]

now u agree to that

[shut umbra]

ok so when youre in the air, youre traveling at a set speed

[keen summit]

Never disagreed?

[shut umbra]

no wait

i just wanted u to agree so i can show this

can u approve something

so i can send here?

miner

[keen summit]

Why the fuck would i be able to

[hushed jetty]

if you post the pic elsewhere and copy the link you can send it

wait nvm it wont embed

[shut umbra]

u said u can send images

[keen summit]

I can yes

[rare trail]

genji only deflected/dodged arrows when they were pretty telegraphed and the titan shots were extremely telegraphed

[shut umbra]

so send this

[keen summit]

Very observative

Ah okay its the storm rising ending v max

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1206981183619997696/1206994188395217056/image.png?ex=65de07ef&is=65cb92ef&hm=d6e67b8f6866af7602306e27491f22255f421587b816bb88fcff6d11a01d022a&

[shut umbra]

send those 3 so we can see how fast and scale the speed here

[hushed jetty]

he... ran across the room yes

what of it

[shut umbra]

okay so we see genji throw a shuriken from we can assume than 2 meters away, the shuriken takes 0.3 seconds to reach him

genji caught up in 0.24 seconds, faster than the shuriken from a set distance, we can see how far awway it actually is

using the actual map itself as well

[rare trail]

we only see the shuriken hit we dont know when he threw it or how far away he was

[peak escarp]

what's the question?

[shut umbra]

yes we do

[hushed jetty]

hi six

[keen summit]

God what a fuckfest

[hushed jetty]

we're powerscaling

[keen summit]

Well

Kinda

[peak escarp]

why

[keen summit]

Six

Read back

[shut umbra]

anyways miner

[peak escarp]

there's like 600 messages, I'm not reading all that

[keen summit]

Its a feast

[shut umbra]

miner, how fast do u think arrows travel

[hushed jetty]

the current debate is whether or not doom and/or genji have supersonic speed i believe

[fresh rock]

Ah brother..