im 90% sure they fully retconned his original name
#lore-discussion
hushed jetty
smoky tendon
exactly
twilit patrol
First time I hear that but honestly Idk what to think
I like Cole Cassidy and I respect the change
peak escarp
they initially wrote it as "Jesse McCree was his alias, Cole Cassidy is his real name" when the name change was announced
but since then it has been treated like a full retcon
hushed jetty
if it was his alias it wouldve been mentioned in declassified but it wasnt
so ye seems like just a complete retcon
peak escarp
they should have just called it a retcon from the start
azure bluff
It's strange that the idea behind his former name being fake was there long before the controversy
peak escarp
Cassidy's line about "Joel" is a reference to the name he had during development
it would be silly for him to suddenly be like "actually I am Joel after all"
merry token
He’d have come full circle 
azure bluff
Any sillier than his name being Cole though?
(Not saying his name is silly, I like it)
peak escarp
and it references a famous cowboy outlaw
azure bluff
In fairness, the gaming community already has a stoic, middle-age gunslinger called Joel
hushed jetty
i thought "cole cassidy" was hilariously dumb at first but ive come to like it
worthy rose
They rename him to Arthur Morgan
azure bluff
I know Captain Kidd was a real person but I can't imagine anything other than Ryuji's Persona
worthy rose
GIVE EM HELL, CAPTAIN KIDD
You ever think about how the Japanese characters basically have personas?
Coincidence, I think not
azure bluff
We're getting wildly off topic...
worthy rose
I think we should get a sub-story with Hanzo and Kiriko
Since Genji is off saving the world and all
peak escarp
we will
in Heroes Ascendant
it's a collection of 8 short stories, one of which is about Hanzo and Kiriko fighting Null Sector in Tokyo
comes out in March
azure bluff
As much as I hate Hanzo in game, I'm really excited for where his story leads
golden oak
As much as I hate Hanzo in game, I'm really excited for where his story leads
Same tbh
smoky tendon
erm i thought that the name announcement was supposed to be a family friendly version of introducing the name "cole cassidy" without talking about the controversy in detail
smoky tendon
jesse mccree was a cooler name imo, but it is what it is, i guess
grand wedge
On declassified he is Cole Cassidy.
Told you it was a full retcon
The answer is yes it is incompatible. He was Cole Cassidy when he got arrested by BW.
The thing is, when they announced the name change, it didn’t say it was a full retcon, and the choice of wording (Blizzard learning from their mistakes) could be interpreted as Cole own words
What did you read?
The wiki saying that at some point in his life he went by some other name is false.
« In older media, like Reunion, he would appear as JM, but it since has been retcon to Cole Cassidy » here, wiki fixed.
Yeah, Declassified pretty much enforced the retcon and absolutely never mention his former name.
Unlucky, the timing of the scandal just happened ew weeks after Deadlock Rebels was out, so he is called by his old name in it…
Well, that’s what this discord is useful for, to debate and explain things ^^
Sadly, i don’t know why they didn’t promote declassified anywhere
It’s a goldmine of lore
And for fans
It’s usually an unsaid rule about how canon works, unfortunately. I didn’t know it before joining the lore people
peak escarp
the OW wiki and Wikipedia are both edited by the public, they are not official source
I think this is more likely because the wiki is edited by a few people, and they may not have had time to update them
on one hand, it would be nice if more people contributed to the wiki so it would get updated and be more complete
but on the other hand, not everyone knows the standards and some people get their lore from tiktok or amino
anyone remember Mauga Ho'okano?
one user kept trying to add their fan-canon name for Mauga to the wiki, and admins kept removing it
I really wish we had an official page to go to for all the lore
dense nebula
What was the name?
peak escarp
anyone remember Mauga Ho'okano?
.
peak escarp
also we get a lot of people who come in here talking about something they heard on tiktok
like one person recently heard that Lucio doesn't have legs
grand wedge
That newest lore that contradicts older lore is the new canon.
merry token
like one person recently heard that Lucio doesn't have legs
I love how so many people were convinced that pharah and Hanzo were also missing their legs because of their oddly shaped leg/foot wear
ruby ridge
the OW wiki and Wikipedia are both edited by the public, they are not official s...
Yeah I like maliciously editing the pages
Like yeah I’ll say in Lifeweaver’s trivia that he wants genji and hanzo dead..
A dark…unknown…evil side of lifeweaver…
ruby ridge
I love how so many people were convinced that pharah and Hanzo were also missing...
Me but with Lucio
Lucio’s legs look so unnatural compared to his body
zenith turtle
doomfist is black
opaque tundra
holy shit really!??
worthy rose
I think it's funny that Talon only has one true white person
Sigma is the only white boy, everyone is dark skinned (or purple)
Moira is white ig
I always see her more gray
Due to her self experimentation
LW literally says she's withering herself away
merry token
True white is wild 😭
worthy rose
Moira is ex-white
She is now grey
She's an alien
That's why they always stay in the lab
Doomfist makes the colored folks go on the actual operations
I just said colored folks
My ancestry really came out for a second
foggy egret
Yo is the Overwatch movie really a movie or would you guys says it more built like an informational video?
golden oak
Doomfist makes the colored folks go on the actual operations
Wait actually ur right
But that may be because moira and sigma are probably not much use in missions and are more helpful doing their research
golden oak
Only exception to this is Sanjay, he doesn’t fight
worthy rose
I forgot Sanjay existed ngl
And Maximilian who should definitely be a hero
I want his sass on the battlefield
golden oak
He’s useless on the battlefield
worthy rose
I also want more Null Sector rep
Ramattra feels like the only Null Sector person with an actual personality
golden oak
He’s useless on the battlefield
He would be just like Reggie in pve
golden oak
Ramattra feels like the only Null Sector person with an actual personality
Probably because all other Null sector members left
worthy rose
Are the minions sentient?
golden oak
No
golden oak
You can’t make sentient omnics, those are finite
dreamy shoal
How does baptiste know sombra? We're they like besties during the omnic war? Cuz in the pve mode pretty much all of baptiste's lines are about keeping her safe so we're they dating or something? Childhood besties? What did they have going on?
golden oak
And I’ve heard he even made them unable to become sentient
worthy rose
How does baptiste know sombra? We're they like besties during the omnic war? Cuz...
They might have been in Talon at the same time together
golden oak
How does baptiste know sombra? We're they like besties during the omnic war? Cuz...
Baptiste was in talon
worthy rose
Yeh Bap defected and there's a bounty out on him from Talon iirc
And Mauga wants it?
golden oak
No, mauga wants him to join back
worthy rose
Ah, I thought he wanted to kill him
golden oak
They were very successful when working together apparently
worthy rose
Yeah, Bap just didn't agree with his methods
golden oak
And mauga wants him back
dreamy shoal
"Wants him back" as in they broke up and he wants to get back to together with him?
dense nebula
"Wants him back" as in they broke up and he wants to get back to together with h...
More like if he doesn’t rejoin Talon he’ll show what happens when you make him get serious
cause Mauga isn’t all there in the head if you catch my drift
He’s a high functioning psychopath in an occupation that’s perfect for his skill set
Also I don’t think he wants him to rejoin, I think he just wants to kill him now
Also they were never dating
They were written like they were exes but they’re not canonically exes
peak escarp
How does baptiste know sombra? We're they like besties during the omnic war? Cuz...
they were friends in Talon
jaunty briar
is there some lore I’m missing abt Illari and Moira? I was reading thru all of Illari’s lines and interactions and it seemed to me like she had a weirdly high amount of comments specifically targeted at Moira (esp negatively)
dreamy shoal
They were written like they were exes but they’re not canonically exes
I hate how vague blizzard is when it comes to relationships. Like just spit it out are they gay lovers or not?
dense nebula
I hate how vague blizzard is when it comes to relationships. Like just spit it o...
You realize we have quite a few openly gay and pan and lesbian and bi heroes right?
dreamy shoal
They try to be vague as humanly possible like people give a fuck.
dense nebula
if you know the ones who are you’d realize they are not vague at all
dreamy shoal
Do u?
dreamy shoal
Well say it then
dense nebula
Only one of them is in a relationship atm
dreamy shoal
Tracer, Soldier, Pharah, Bap, LW
Pharah, lw and bap are never mentioned to have significant relationships, soldier had Vincent who is....tbh idk, and tracer is with emily
dense nebula
I said the ones who in the community
dreamy shoal
I think he died in the omnic war
dense nebula
Not who are in a relationship
Mauga, tmk, does not care enough for romance
He is a bloodthirsty psychopath who’s rather make war not love
jaunty briar
let's not treat ow's rep like it's top tier lol
i do wish they leaned more into relationships i think it would be so funny to have like. elim voicelines for partners
hushed jetty
wouldnt it be so funny if for april fools they added voice lines for the goofiest ships
jaunty briar
PLZ that would be so based
hushed jetty
suddenly moira x hog is canon /j
jaunty briar
overwatch if it was good literally
worthy rose
wouldnt it be so funny if for april fools they added voice lines for the goofies...
Valentines update
hushed jetty
it has to be april fools otherwise people would think theyre serious
worthy rose
Yes Rein x Soldier is a very serious ship
peak escarp
April Fools won't matter
they'd still think Blizz is serious
and treat those ships as canon
worthy rose
I just need more Ana Hog interactions
jaunty briar
Actually true
spare fox
yeah shippers and anti-shippers alike are too foaming-at-the-mouth for any of that but it'd be hilarious
hushed jetty
he has- well not winston
but the deepsea raiders canonically fought overwatch in the past and he seems to have met sojourn
its certainly not impossible
what makes you say thta
we dont know who specifically was at that mission with sojourn
couldve been a bunch of nobodies for all we know
golden oak
How old was Cassidy and Gabriel while in blackwatch?
They looked roughly similar age in Rialto mission but now cass is 39 and reaper is 60
hushed jetty
How old was Cassidy and Gabriel while in blackwatch?
They looked roughly simila...
the visuals are just kinda inconsistent but i believe retribution was about 10 years ago
so 29 and 50 ish
golden oak
The way cass looks almost the same at any age
Just facial hair change
Only exception is this
He’s like 17 here right?
next jewel
Cass seems to have the ability to keep himself in good shape
golden oak
Cass seems to have the ability to keep himself in good shape
That’s weird cuz he drinks and smokes a lot apparently
next jewel
Damn, his body seems made for that
golden oak
He’s gon be one of those 100+ year olds who smoked their whole lives
worthy rose
That’s weird cuz he drinks and smokes a lot apparently
Advanced medicinal technology
They prolly cured cancer by then
worthy rose
Slow aging technology
golden oak
Nah, unless mercy did some treatment on him or he let moira experiment on him while he was in blackwatch
I don’t see him having access to that technology
jaunty pike
merry token
Only exception is this
He’s like 17 here right?
Tbf most of the men that artist draws look a bit twinky
peak escarp
Only exception is this
He’s like 17 here right?
he'd be 15 in the novel
golden oak
Tbf most of the men that artist draws look a bit twinky
Idk, facial hair at 15 is not that common I’d say
serene barn
Suffer.
twilit patrol
As I have
past copper
Idk, facial hair at 15 is not that common I’d say
I mean, I started growing facial hair around 12 so... I'd say pretty common
twilit patrol
Yeah
merry token
The tiniest bit of stubble*
dense nebula
He has a very small stubble on his chin
glossy umbra
a baby beard
vapid tusk
well yeah a stubble is what i meant
worthy rose
My 15yo brother has a bigger beard than Cass at his age
smoky tapir
Yo what’s the cone lore
hushed jetty
the what
hushed jetty
old 🫵
keen summit
wait a beard at 15
U can get facial hair growth at 15, i had it too. It just wont be much
Theoretically sigma sym lw, confirmed winston orisa
peak escarp
it has been 3 0 days since someone asked who is the strongest
keen summit
I get its fun to tslk bout tbf
lavish vessel
it has been ~~3~~ 0 days since someone asked who is the strongest
Damn we were on track for a new record
keen summit
Sigma was literally from our generation
Heard a dutch commercial yesterday about sigma and had to hold my laugh cuz yknow now dutch and sigma is intertwined in my head
tulip quest
Yes lmfao
past copper
Damn we were on track for a new record
At this point in time, who TF actually cares who the strongest is? Seriously, this isn’t Dragon Ball or OPM here people
lavish vessel
At this point in time, who TF actually cares who the strongest is? Seriously, th...
I guess ppl are just curious as it is quite an interesting question, when u haven’t heard the answer multiple times 
hushed jetty
itd be a more interesting question if people didnt ask it every other day !
i wonder where venture will be on the powerscale though
past copper
EVERY. SINGLE. DAY
keen summit
Those come after winston and orisa
So is say orisa
Orisa stopped a car, crushed the hood with her hand, all by accident
Beat doon twice
Mauga is defo strong too but winston is more mobile and probs just as strong physically and orisa is immune to kinetic force
smoky tapir
Guys I need to know the cone lore
Why they cone
worthy rose
The cone lore? I think I need to know the cone lore now too.
keen summit
Ngl no clue what u mean
past copper
They’re shitposting is all
lofty obsidian
Reaper here.
keen summit
Thing is from what we know explosions are also nothing to orisa
Keep in mind they used explosives against or14s too and they could partially take hem, now imagine that but upgraded
dense nebula
You’re forgetting another factor of Mauga
He’s unpredictable, a tactical mind who enjoys the slaughter
He’s also really good at reading people if the Great Day cinematic is anything to go off of
He’s also scarily fast for his size
keen summit
Problem with that all is that orisa beat doom twice, mauga doom if we presume without guns and gauntlt was a tie, so like its odd
If orisa is bullet proof mauga stands 0 chance, we dont jnow that tho
We dont know how much sronger the upgrades she got made her
peak escarp
!!shitposting @wooden pewter
twilit nacelleBOT
@wooden pewter Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
:|
lavish vessel
It’s fine, they’re mentioned mercy, the overwatch hero!
peak escarp
I think the Valkyrie suit was designed with the purpose of equipping other units, but I don't know if they ever did
I think so
golden oak
I think it was designed specifically for her
Or did she design it herself
Cuz there’s this voice line of her and torb talking about it
And torb doesn’t know the details for this suit
peak escarp
yes Mercy designed it
but Torb built it, so it's weird he doesn't know the airfoil ratio of the wings
golden oak
Maybe she gave him a lego like instruction how to build it
dim geyser
genji solos
lofty obsidian
Reaper solos
golden oak
Lifeweaver solos
twilit patrol
Sigma
golden oak
Do you think Hanzo would join Kiriko’s gang?
peak escarp
maybe
hushed jetty
maybe thats what will happen in heroes ascendant
vapid tusk
U can get facial hair growth at 15, i had it too. It just wont be much
I know but as a Korean I can’t relate which is why I’m wow-ing
merry token
I know but as a Korean I can’t relate which is why I’m wow-ing
Depends on genetics lol, my older brother who is also Korean had facial hair growing at 14
keen summit
Genetics is s big thing tbf, my older brother barely grows facial hair while i grow alot
worthy basin
Isn’t Kiriko’s gang all teenagers and early 20 year olds? It would be hilarious to see all these uni student aged people alongside an emotionally stunted 40 year old with greying hair lmao
dim geyser
not the "who solos" channel
u solo
golden oak
Isn’t Kiriko’s gang all teenagers and early 20 year olds? It would be hilarious ...
Well someone needs to keep an eye on them right?
golden oak
She had a computer implanted in her
So she could hack really fast
And I assume it also allows her to translocate and be invisible
peak escarp
linux
twilit patrol
worthy rose
And I assume it also allows her to translocate and be invisible
Her translocator is stolen Chrono-Accelerator tech iirc
Well, more like the blueprints
golden oak
Was echo on missions with cassidy?
worthy rose
I'm not sure how active Echo was before Overwatch's downfall
But they're at least pretty well acquainted
Echo seemed to be in sleep mode after Overwatch disbanded
peak escarp
Cassidy was Liao's bodyguard while she was working on Echo
so they would know each other very well
brittle charm
What's dva lore
valid acorn
then does brig have some sort of connection to bastion?
grand wedge
then does brig have some sort of connection to bastion?
yes
Torbjorn took Bastion in, and now, Brig is going back to Overwatch with Bastion
fluid elm
I believe if they talk something about past events or previous experience, then that part of these interactions are canon
Did Gavin specifically stated anything about this before?
golden oak
Cassidy was Liao's bodyguard while she was working on Echo
Ohhh
golden oak
I'm not sure how active Echo was before Overwatch's downfall
I know for sure echo did go on one or two test missions before getting turned off
ruby ridge
It interests me that moira has PVE downed voicelines with lifeweaver especially
Really makes me wonder if lifeweaver is gonna have something to do with talon
golden oak
Really makes me wonder if lifeweaver is gonna have something to do with talon
Lol never
Unless they idk, kidnap him for his biolight
golden oak
It interests me that moira has PVE downed voicelines with lifeweaver especially
What does she say specifically tho
ruby ridge
What does she say specifically tho
Only sym and moira have this for him
She only had it for talon otherwise
golden oak
Maybe because he’s also in biological studies like moira
ruby ridge
Only sym and moira have this for him
I’m wrong
Not even sun has it
Sym
Only moira
ruby ridge
Maybe because he’s also in biological studies like moira
Wonder if we’ll have a PVE thing with them specifically
golden oak
I’m sure she’s heard about him since he is wanted, in magazines and did a breakthrough in biology
ruby ridge
Nono I get this it just interests me because this means they will team up sometime in some mission
golden oak
Wonder if we’ll have a PVE thing with them specifically
They did missions with characters that were not in the mission before
Afaik you could do insurrection with blackwatch heroes for example
ruby ridge
Jusg wonder why moira and lifeweave rheh so much
golden oak
This might be one of those free event missions tho, since they got modifiers with different heroes
Although it’s still kinda weird cuz I’m pretty sure you can pick only 1 support in pve
Keep in mind a lot of stuff was scrapped in pve, maybe originally it didn’t have role limit
We might not see those voice lines in game
worthy rose
Well, we can at least guess that Moira wants LW in Oasis, even if their interaction there isn't canon
drifting viper
Is illiari good or bad
golden oak
???
Pretty sure doom says “eclipsed” when killing her
The only Affiliation is probably with Sombra but that’s only to find out more about her people and why did the ritual failed
It’s not on wiki
weary slate
can someone familiar with both games' lore explain this
topaz dome
those seem to be photos
weary slate
those seem to be photos
Thank you I didnt know they were photos
spare fox
seems like a fan edit
spare fox
Yeah but in yakuza it's 2 bros and their mentor iirc
past copper
Yeah but in yakuza it's 2 bros and their mentor iirc
And? Has nothing to do with Overwatch
spare fox
I didn't say it did?
past copper
Especially since one is just a poor fan edit fr
Regardless, doesn’t belong here. You can chalk it up to shitposting
Or #fanart
urban reef
ana scope shot is hitscan and ana no scope is projectile?
hushed jetty
thats not a lore question
sick patio
ana scope shot is hitscan and ana no scope is projectile?
Yes
keen summit
Regardless, doesn’t belong here. You can chalk it up to shitposting
Mightve wondered if both games have similair lore tbf
keen summit
man had a whole convo cuz people were saying iris is a god
signal matrix
can someone familiar with both games' lore explain this
Mob boss father / father figure
Two brothers that betray each other due to yakuza codes, but still deeply love each other
Is a photo of their youth, thus the young skins
weary slate
Mob boss father / father figure
Two brothers that betray each other due to yakuz...
thank you i was curious what the lore correlation was
azure bluff
It does feel a tad cliché but the Dragons cinematic was so well done that I don't mind
peak escarp
Overwatch's lore makes use of a lot of tropes and cliches
worthy rose
Overwatch is an amalgamation of tropes
junior cedar
idk i just like Samito's spitefullness because i would react the same way
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
tranquil hatch
someone told me it was canon that doomift and tracer are married
hushed jetty
first of all no second of all tracer is lesbian
short holly
Overwatch is an amalgamation of tropes
Isn’t that just…basically anything?
worthy rose
I guess steriotypical is a better way to describe it
Cass, Jack, even Reyes kinda are very steriotypically American
hushed jetty
cass and jack maybe but reyes?
worthy rose
I think Reyes screams American action movie villain
peak escarp
Ashe is more stereotypically American than Reyes
worthy rose
Not every hero is a steriotype but there's a few, like Dva
It isn't really a bad thing though
Overwatch keeps its own identity all the same
hushed jetty
but still yeah most characters are a trope or stereotype of some kind
i think thats just how making characters tends to go
its whether the stereotype is harmful is the thing
hushed jetty
i dont think any of them are outright offensive
maybe the fact that we have 3 japanese characters and all of them are ninja-esque is a little odd but not like straight up horrible
peak escarp
they're just harmless stereotypes
smoky tapir
Is the jury still out on zen floating?
Personally I think that he just uses the iris cause we have been shown through his ult is does give you lots power (healing)
hushed jetty
i think we've seen him float but only while meditating? i might be making that up
peak escarp
correct
keen summit
Personally I think that he just uses the iris cause we have been shown through h...
Theres no indication that the iris gives special powers
And before you say but zen says so with ult does doom become an actual meteor with meteor strike?
peak escarp
Zen's ult isn't canon
Doomfist's ult is just jumping in the air and slamming his fist down
keen summit
Exactly just showing that just cause an ult says sum dont mean anythin
Some people believe the iris to be godlike
One yesterday started saying the iris is what gave sigma his knowledge cyz they met once
keen summit
Zen's ult isn't canon
And tbf now with ram its easy to explain, its probs just the nanites ram uses but set for healing instead
It all being nanites make alot of sense thematically and logically, mondatts only used yellow aka the support kind type. Rama only uses purple which is more weakening and dmg and zen uses both in a balanced way
keen summit
Again, i said it could be explained,not confirmed
It makes thematic sense, which is all i can say bout it
golden oak
I think ram came up with nanites because he’s an engineer
compact ginkgo
i think winston and sigma should have a baby and it be the new hero
but he's non verbal and he can jump a million miles
and SING!
keen summit
I think ram came up with nanites because he’s an engineer
i found it interesting how it revolves around his orb tho
golden oak
i found it interesting how it revolves around his orb tho
I think the whole staff is made out of them because it “dissolves” when you enter nemesis form
keen summit
and again how discord shares the same colour, i speculated before ram came out that he and mondatta would be mirrors
not him and zen
golden oak
I think zen took mondatta’s spot somewhat
keen summit
we always see mondata with yellot motif, even in his statue his orb glows yellow, ram is all about purple and ALL his omnics use purple, zen uses both
keen summit
I think zen took mondatta’s spot somewhat
i disagree, zen is the mix of both
golden oak
For him being in the middle we would need to see zen doing something bad or violent at least
keen summit
look at it like this. zen instead of ram and mondatta who both tried to save EVERYONE
zen choses to save them and help them find inner peace 1 by 1
thats my point. zen isnt ramas mirror, mondatta was. mondatta tried to save omnics by words and kind acts, rama wants to save all omnics by taking the choice away and through action
golden oak
I thought you meant like yin yang ☯️
keen summit
zenyatta doesnt mirror him cuz his motivations are different
keen summit
I thought you meant like yin yang ☯️
even that it was more mondatta and rama, which is why i find it annoying they got a spray of zen and rama like that
golden oak
even that it was more mondatta and rama, which is why i find it annoying they go...
Because we don’t have mondatta in game
keen summit
zen and ram arent opposites, mondatta and ram were. and then the thematic thing of mondatta dying and ramattra going practically out of control be perfect
keen summit
Because we don’t have mondatta in game
still couldve been a spray of him instead, with zen
like how for the longest time bap had mauga sprays
we even have a mondatta spray already
golden oak
Zen has a mondatta spray lol
keen summit
eactly
like, wouldve been so much better
zen doesnt fit the ying yang motif with ram
golden oak
I mean ram rejected his teaching
keen summit
zen is basically the actions not words side of ram, and the peacefull way of doing stuff from mondatta
keen summit
I mean ram rejected his teaching
not just that, but ram atfirst believed in it, but then became the opposite
but both were all about saving omnics
showing how if they wouldve just worked together it couldve actually been resolved
if ram didnt take such a stance, and mondatta did more
golden oak
Zen don’t fit yin Yang at all because we’re yet to see some flaws in his character
keen summit
Zen don’t fit yin Yang at all because we’re yet to see some flaws in his charact...
that too
hes meant to be well, it combined
thats his thing
balance
golden oak
not just that, but ram atfirst believed in it, but then became the opposite
Ram claims Mondatta’s lesson “betrayed him”
keen summit
hes meant to symbolise if you have it
keen summit
Ram claims Mondatta’s lesson “betrayed him”
exactly, you dont feel betrayed if u dont first believe in it
golden oak
Zen is not balance
keen summit
he probs first believed mondattas teachings, then kept seeing it fail again and again, just to be called a terrorist as soon as he rose up
golden oak
All we see zen do is good
keen summit
All we see zen do is good
yeah
but i meant he takes inspiration from mondatta and ramattra
golden oak
but i meant he takes inspiration from mondatta and ramattra
Maybe but he takes what’s good from them only
keen summit
ramattra took his own path for what he believed in, mondatta talks and talks but inspires people to change and try to be better
keen summit
Maybe but he takes what’s good from them only
and thats funnily enough not to help the big groups, the only thing both had in common'
but thats why zen isnt the MIRROR of ram, hes more of a well, student of 2 very different people
ramattra is just so well done
im ngl imho comparing ramattra to any other hero in the cast with writing is straight up unfair
golden oak
im ngl imho comparing ramattra to any other hero in the cast with writing is str...
Um Ana, rein, Jack, reaper, Sombra
Genji
Oh, Cass also
Cass has a lot of lore
keen summit
still not the same amount of depth ngl
its good
but for the amount rama has gotten hes very deep, has alot of interesting things etc
still think he wouldve been way better to release in s8 but eh
reaper im ngl is kinda weird too cuz he really doesnt have a SUPER strong reason imho to suddenly hunt down overwatch.
ana is good i agree, rein is in my top and doom is very good too, but again i think with say rein there are some oddities too. sombra is good but under utilised imho
golden oak
reaper im ngl is kinda weird too cuz he really doesnt have a SUPER strong reason...
Overwatch HQ exploded after a fight between him and Jack broke out (over blackwatch getting out of control) and they left him there (thinking he died) but moira found him and saved him but the consequence is he’s in constant pain because of it
keen summit
Overwatch HQ exploded after a fight between him and Jack broke out (over blackwa...
tbf, they left jack there aswell
my main problem with reaper is the jump from reyes to reaper
golden oak
tbf, they left jack there aswell
Jack left the team after this too
I mean faked his death
And never joined back
keen summit
Reyes was super good in writing, but then the jump to reaper feels very off
we knew he wasnt exactly good but eh
golden oak
Reyes was super good in writing, but then the jump to reaper feels very off
The fight with Jack and him almost dying then having to live with constant pain is what set him off
His life was ruined so he turned villain
keen summit
The fight with Jack and him almost dying then having to live with constant pain ...
yeah, but again, why would he THEN go for overwatch, moira put him to this afterall
its why i find him so... eh
golden oak
yeah, but again, why would he THEN go for overwatch, moira put him to this after...
Because this wouldn’t happen if not overwatch
If not Jack
keen summit
i just dont find him close to ram ngl
cuz eventually its not THAT deep, its just angry
golden oak
I meant his story is deep
keen summit
crazy tho how ow2 has brought almost certainly one of the best heroes in writing and some of the worst
golden oak
Also him and Jack are actually polar opposites
keen summit
cuz alot of the early ow1 heroes were imho also well done, the difference is to me that they had more time to be developed
keen summit
Also him and Jack are actually polar opposites
that i do like
i always like thematic reflections and that stuff
golden oak
cuz alot of the early ow1 heroes were imho also well done, the difference is to ...
Wrecking ball was released in ow1 and he doesn’t have much lore
keen summit
Wrecking ball was released in ow1 and he doesn’t have much lore
early
hanzo exists
but thats why i said most
sigma honestly imho is kinda overrated in writing
hes good but honestly he just has too little stuff so rn in reality its not that deep with him.
golden oak
sigma honestly imho is kinda overrated in writing
He’s got good potential but unfortunately very little lore
keen summit
he just had a really cool hook and an amazing concept, but hes SO underutilised that i cant really call it good writing cuz it feels like they got clue what to do
which ive said for a while is likely what is the case
golden oak
The way mauga already got a cinematic with a mission but sigma didn’t
keen summit
as they made sigma based on a kit, probs made it purposfully REALLY cool as a concept, but then well as they had a plan for mauga but not for sigma kinda dont know
in lore since then hes only been a cameo or like, legit 2 lines
btw how far back was code of violence i forgot
golden oak
as they made sigma based on a kit, probs made it purposfully REALLY cool as a co...
Sigma is still a cool character, but they just don’t do anything with him for some reason
golden oak
btw how far back was code of violence i forgot
Not long ago, sigma is also relatively new hero
keen summit
Sigma is still a cool character, but they just don’t do anything with him for so...
thats my point, i cant call it good writing cuz they dont do anything with it
keen summit
Not long ago, sigma is also relatively new hero
i meant as in in lore
golden oak
I think sigma was released before echo
golden oak
i meant as in in lore
I think that’s right after reaper joining talon because he has that early outfit on there
keen summit
sigma atm i cant put in the best written heroes cuz hes just SO underused
sigma is one of those like zen or hanzo and now even illari, lots of potential but well not used
Mauga is quite decently written too ngl
he doesnt have the same depth as rein, ram etc. but does have a mindset that is kinda understandable and is quite consistent with how he is. he has a little depth too to boot
but thats why its crazy to me that like ram illari kiriko all were in ow2
btw kinda fucked the last hero from anywhere in africa was doomfist unless im forgetting someone
golden oak
Wasn’t orisa Last
golden oak
but thats why its crazy to me that like ram illari kiriko all were in ow2
The way kiri got more lore than Hanzo even tho she’s a background character for Hanzo 😭
And Hanzo is a Release Hero
desert yacht
The way kiri got more lore than Hanzo even tho she’s a background character for ...
isn't it more like hanzo's a background character for genji
kiri further develops kanezaka and the younger generation working towards overthrowing corrupt powers on their own
esp since she introduces the yokai group and gives more about asa who may become a prominent character
as someone who trained both hanzo and genji
kiri has more potential than hanzo
hanzo’s got a redemption arc lined up but he doesn’t seem interested in overwatch so that’s a bit of a dead end
it either seems more like a solo arc or him helping kiri against the hashimoto clan
so he ends up as a background character for her or genji regardless
keen summit
which is wasted
grand wedge
Lets hope Hanzo & Kiriko short story next month will answer some of those questions…
I feel like T4 are kinda out of the right timing for new heroes/maps
Obviously they have us Ramattra instead of Mauga, therefore the Story Mission in Toronto with Ramattra « reveal » on the street was… underwhelming.
keen summit
it wouldve been so much better to have rama after pve
grand wedge
Right!?!?
It just… so messed up, because they didn’t let the T4 cook!
Obviously Ram was ready before Mauga, so they had to « sacrifice » him to have a new tank hero to be release to fit with OW2 and stuff
grand wedge
The plan was : Mauga instead of Ram
grand wedge
Ah, yeah
keen summit
it wouldve made us be speculating WHY hes attacking etc
grand wedge
That’s why wither story mission kinda fell flat….
keen summit
but the thing is just like soj he had lines well, unlockable voicelines that reference it
sojourn has murphy down, croissant etc
all references to cinematics
and rama has TONS that reference his pve appearance
grand wedge
Imagine : we play story mission. We recognize the masked omnic as the one that met Doomfist. They don’t give us the cinematic with Zenyatta. Then, Ram is announced, and his back story is revealed, and then! We have his short story. And that zen cinematic to introduce next story mission. In between we have that Mauga animated short.
keen summit
Imagine : we play story mission. We recognize the masked omnic as the one that m...
or even before
like
so many better options
grand wedge
Indeed
keen summit
but oh well now we are getting 3 heroes we never knew about
grand wedge
That how you know higher ups messed with the dev
keen summit
i had a theory each year would have like 1 big lore hero cuz we had rama, mauga
but nope
this year is venture, space ranger and a guy we dont recognize
grand wedge
Yeah…
keen summit
i miss build up
grand wedge
There kinda is.. no bridge in between the OW1 lore legacy and OW2…
grand wedge
i miss build up
Louder for the crowd please! 🙏
weary slate
whos the guy?? ik space ranger and venture but who's the guy?
keen summit
whos the guy?? ik space ranger and venture but who's the guy?
mystery tank hero
we saw their icon
weary slate
another one
keen summit
looks like a guy
weary slate
im bout to tweak the fuck out
grand wedge
Green Mohawk
keen summit
im bout to tweak the fuck out
but yeah that means we know all the heroes for this year
grand wedge
Yeah
grand wedge
Looks like he has Garrosh jaw tho xD
grand wedge
Yes
keen summit
illari got trailer 3 days before and origin story AFTER she released
grand wedge
Look, we’re going to have a Peru map AFTER Illari was out… come on
keen summit
lw was only shown cuz leaks. rama and mauga i wont count cuz switched
grand wedge
Imagine the Peru map before Illari?
keen summit
Look, we’re going to have a Peru map AFTER Illari was out… come on
mauga wouldve had the same
keen summit
Imagine the Peru map before Illari?
yeah, with hints of what had happened
or just map changes in general
grand wedge
Yeah, but Mauga was a known character for years
keen summit
imagine ayyuthaya wouldve been starting to be reconstructed by vishkar
grand wedge
Like, Petra? Venture is probably one of the guys digging there
keen summit
and lw had enough that time
keen summit
Like, Petra? Venture is probably one of the guys digging there
blaise probs
grand wedge
And we’ve had Petra for YEARS
keen summit
thats the one we dont know much of
but they couldve like instead of showing venture couldve idk opened the bag of Blaise
and showed a drill or sum
grand wedge
Yeah
grand wedge
But nope. Too much leaks, so let’s just drop that at Blizzcon so we’re safe…
keen summit
instead it was just here u go these are our heroes
or for space ranger on Lijang you add some mars colony reports
get us interested first, make the hero exist FIRST instead of after
grand wedge
Yes
keen summit
kiriko and lw are the biggest offenders of that, ashe too from ow1
"well they actually were very important people or people connected to them but nobody ever mentioned them!"
atleast venture IS connected to someone thanks to hamid being a trusted person for Ana
grand wedge
See, when you look at declassified and at the short stories comming out… we know Declassified was written for YEARS. Finished in January 2021( I think from the author Twitter)
And in it : a slight thing about the colony and Lijiabg
keen summit
also little thing, its so sad to me that venture is just another canadian
grand wedge
Like the lore wasn’t developed yet
keen summit
they couldve had more middle east or african representation
grand wedge
But, we have a full Kiriko build up, Ram is clearly fully build, there are short story with the junkers and NJC….
keen summit
the last middle eastern hero was ana, the last african hero was fucking doom
grand wedge
Yeah…
keen summit
illari to me in lore is just SO bad. its fine but no connections. kiriko instead feels like an OC
kiriko like most OCS are forcefully put into an existing story line, often a populair one, has a bland and cliche story + personality is supposed to be cool. also is almost fucking perfect in the eyes of most of the castr
aka a BAD oc, u can have good OCS,
grand wedge
Illari came from a newer dev. Definitely some « filler » because they have to bring more heroes to life, but ne unfortunately, the character suffer from no teaser nor impactful reveal
Which suck.
The Orisa / Doom buildup was GOOD
keen summit
the problem with kiriko is their choice to make her a childhood friend yet not sticking it
grand wedge
Misleading us into believing Doomfist, but no! Genius girl build a robot on her own to protect her city of doom
keen summit
aka wanting her to still be young too, not at all touching on the impact her "friends" had and yknow the idea one of them was presumed dead, killed by the other. not talked about her father being a fucking hostage
keep in mind, kiriko hasnt ONCE showed concern about the wellbeing of her father since the letter
grand wedge
Please, the bio/Sojiros death is still very messed up
keen summit
her dad is held captive and she never shows any concern
grand wedge
The dates don’t fit - unless she got stuck in time somewhere ne didn’t age (wich they already did with Tracer and Mei btw)
keen summit
how did her mom not even KNOW about the fox spirit
grand wedge
her dad is held captive and she never shows any concern
Because they forgot about him lol
Yep, doesn’t make sense
keen summit
Asas mom had the fox spirit too
but no, drama
and i wouldve expected SOME comment on yknow, genji being a cyborg
grand wedge
Definitely yes
keen summit
kiriko wouldve been way better if she was JUST the child of asa, so all she knew of the shimadas was from stories
grand wedge
Thing is, I feel that the fans got a better knowledge of the lore, because the devs that joined the team were just… not aware of everything
Or just forgot.
grand wedge
Yes
keen summit
New things is fine
Like for example the iris
grand wedge
Even the hamster had a better build up, come on
Yes, the Iris is good
Too much mystery around it, and clearly they thought things through with it.
So when they delivered, it landed good
grand wedge
Ram could have been greater even… if only he came after the story missions it would’ve been perfect!
keen summit
Yea
twilit patrol
The fact that Ram came out before Mauga is kinda sucks
It kinda ruined the surprise
Idk how to explain
golden oak
Huh
twilit patrol
Yes exactly
keen summit
If he cane after mauga he wouldve been more hype as we wouldve been wondering what his deal is
peak escarp
and i wouldve expected SOME comment on yknow, genji being a cyborg
Kiriko doesn't know Genji is alive
azure bluff
As much as I love Sombra, she had way too much buildup with the ARG
golden oak
Kiriko doesn't know Genji is alive
It makes sense but still feels weird when you hear their interactions in the game all the time lol
Does rein know Ana and Jack are alive
grand wedge
As much as I love Sombra, she had way too much buildup with the ARG
Agree. And now, we have absolutely no build up 😢
twilit patrol
Wait I think cass mentioned Jack in Toronto mission
Jack is off chasing ghosts
golden oak
I’m guessing he would tell rein about Ana because she matters so much to him
golden oak
Yeah
I wonder if kiri will be mad at Hanzo at first until he tells her the truth
He “killed” her childhood friend after all
twilit patrol
worthy rose
Does rein know Ana and Jack are alive
Well Cass got told by Ana to be the new commander of Overwatch, I'd imagine he'd spill the beans on that.
And they know that Jack is off doing his own thing for a while.
Kiriko doesn't know about Genji most likely. If Hanzo didn't know that Genji was a member of Overwatch this whole time, Kiriko definitely doesn't know
Hanzo might tell Kiriko in their story
golden oak
Well Cass got told by Ana to be the new commander of Overwatch, I'd imagine he'd...
I think he rejected that position since Winston is in charge
worthy rose
He might have given command to Winston after they reuinited, but he was at least commander of his squad, being Hana, Zarya, Bap, and Pharah
peak escarp
Well Cass got told by Ana to be the new commander of Overwatch, I'd imagine he'd...
she didn't tell him to be the new commander
she told him to recruit people
Winston is the new leader of Overwatch
Sojourn might step in to help lead since she has experience
golden oak
Why they make echo fly the ship and not tracer who was literally a pilot 😭
peak escarp
because they needed Tracer on the mission?
past copper
You know Echo learns fast right?
Out of everyone she literally the only one who can learn to fly the fastest
tulip quest
Rock
past copper
Besides that, they didn't have Bap or Pharah at the time they were in Rio
rare forge
acoustic ice
is winston a supporter of genetic modification? and would his fellow gorillas aboard the horizon lunar colony be the same?
peak escarp
we don't know his opinion on genetic modification, but we do know he and the other specimens hated the experiments and tests
and the other apes rebelled and killed the scientists over it
golden oak
Then we have Hammond who says that ignorance was worse
keen summit
None
She has a novel
Hero of numbani
She never has been in cinematics or in any short
She'll be part of a short story batch in march
hushed jetty
i hope every character has a cinematic focusing on them one day
coarse musk
i hope they expand on the genji and hanzo story
surreal thicket
can someone send me a google doc going into deep fixation abt the lore pretty please 🥺
surreal thicket
Could reaper even be turned back into reyes?
i doubt it moira a bitch she wouldnt change him back
worthy rose
i doubt it moira a bitch she wouldnt change him back
I'm talking about if someone else could
Like mercy
surreal thicket
ermmm well she'd be a mega babe if she could but i dont think she'd be able to , moira's science and mercy's are completely diff , if she saved reaper thatd be cool though in like a comic
peak escarp
can someone send me a google doc going into deep fixation abt the lore pretty pl...
there's resources in the pins on this channel
surreal thicket
WOOHOO
keen summit
ermmm well she'd be a mega babe if she could but i dont think she'd be able to ,...
they arent exactly super different
moira's purple is HIGHLY implied to be mercy's tech but.. reversed
surreal thicket
true
also like i just thinking would the spawn be built out of mercys tech because like we die over and over and she can res so wouldnt she have to build like a safe zone so we could come back
my brain is working too hard rn
keen summit
also like i just thinking would the spawn be built out of mercys tech because li...
pvp isnt like, canon unlike valorant
surreal thicket
maybe he ate emily we dont know
stuck stump
The bananas weren't enough
acoustic ice
is there a third los muertos weapon?
peak escarp
only 2 are shown
worthy rose
What is Los Muertos
peak escarp
the gang in Mexico that Sombra worked with when she was younger
also Soldier fought them in the short "Hero"
worthy rose
Oooh cool
past copper
So. Next theme is Mythos. Cool
Kinda thought that was a dead thing, but hey. Happy to see it come back as something
I’m a bit of a fan of H.P. Lovecraft stuff
peak escarp
mythos?
past copper
Ancient dark cosmic gods like Cthulhu for example
past copper
Basically, cosmic dark gods like these. One of which is a Torb n Zen based skin
The literal most iconic one is always Cthulhu
golden oak
Kinda thought that was a dead thing, but hey. Happy to see it come back as somet...
No, Lovecraft mythology is still really popular
merry token
The angel lifeweaver is nice, especially with the eyes on his wings
tepid edge
since pvp isnt canon
i heard a headcanon once that the PVP is a simulation copy of the real world run by Athena to test how different heroes would perform against each other
hushed jetty
interesting headcanon but i dont think its true
past copper
Believing a headcanon is the equivalent of thinking fanfiction is canon
I wouldn’t believe a word of it
hushed jetty
it holds up maybe for the overwatch heroes and some of talon but why would athena know who illari is
or like, put her in a simulation
merry token
i heard a headcanon once that the PVP is a simulation copy of the real world run...
PvP just isn’t canon. That’s the simplest and only explanation needed
tepid edge
yea I know but it’s fun to think otherwise
dreamy shoal
Is it true that reaper is not even a human anymore but just a bunch of dust trying to stay together?
spiral river
basically
spare fox
He's a bunch of enhanced human dust trying to stay together, basically
peak escarp
his cells are constantly decaying and regenerating
merry mason
it holds up *maybe* for the overwatch heroes and some of talon but why would ath...
For all we know illari is well known in story
peak escarp
not likely
spare fox
Her incident just happened in the timeline
merry mason
Or I should say she’s not completely unknown, if Athena or whoever else made a list of all potential recruits and/or people of interest she’d be somewhere on there. So in “simulation theory” Athena could have noticed her and put her in the simulation
past copper
I highly doubt it. Her people seemed relatively isolated from the rest of society
In fact, I don’t think we actually know what they did before the incident beyond training to be solar energy wielding warriors
hushed jetty
Or I should say she’s not completely unknown, if Athena or whoever else made a l...
assuming that the simulation theory is true yes
but thats assuming
spare fox
Tbf I think the Hero Mastery is the canon simulation
Would it be like a holo-deck kind of thing or a highly interactive VR type thing
hushed jetty
yeah hero mastery seems canon ish
i assumed its like, a room that can be adjusted to fit the hero's training needs
blazing talon
does tracer age? isnt she like stuck in a time loop or smthin so like wouldnt she be in a different temporal state than the rest of ow/the world
hushed jetty
yes she ages
peak escarp
the amount she goes forward and backward probably cancels each other out
she didn't age for the 2 years she was lost in time, but she does age normally besides that
keen summit
Or I should say she’s not completely unknown, if Athena or whoever else made a l...
Why would athena know of her
ruby ridge
keen summit
Mhm.
golden oak
Never meet your heroes I guess
keen summit
eachother? no. others outside the cast? yes
pharah mercy and genji mercy have had implications but NEVER outright said
tracer has a gf, torb has a wife
soldier used to have a bf, but long time ago, reaper had a wife but well hes presumed dead
mhm, no heroes in game are dating eachother
its not apex where almost everyone wants to fuck eachother no
some implications exist
lw-bap, pharah mercy or genji mercy, mauga bap in the past but thats REALLY uncertain
absolutely not
widow still mourns her dead husband
and reaper stalks his ex
presumed
yes
the entire world believes reaper and soldier are dead
same with ana
nah not cuz of that
its cuz reaper and soldier were in a n explosion
and the base falling down
ana was shot IN THE EYE
but was her prosthetic one so it stopped the bullet
robotic eye was hit
ruby dew
Do you think Venture will have a connection with Ana? I tell myself that because excavations in Egypt are often things like this
keen summit
Do you think Venture will have a connection with Ana? I tell myself that because...
we KNOW
they do
hamid faisal is connected to ana and to the org venture is part of
ruby dew
Oh okay okay
But for the healer...I wonder who he will be in contact with
Winston and Hammond ? There is not necessarily a link but since one looks like an astronaut and the other 2 we were in space...that makes it a bit of a link
keen summit
But for the healer...I wonder who he will be in contact with
its speculated mei
cuz mei has a friend at lijang and mars colony is owned by lijang interstellar
ruby dew
Mhmmm
I didn't know that
It's quite a shame that there is almost no one related to Winston and Hammond
A special discussion related to their transport in space..Or something like that
keen summit
It's quite a shame that there is almost no one related to Winston and Hammond
...
winston is like
connected to half the cast directly
winston is the main character
ruby dew
Yes
keen summit
sooo ur point is??
but no, sadly all these new heroes are kinda nobodies, no teaser no nothing
ruby dew
Afterwards it's just ideas
peak escarp
D.Va wasn't connected to anyone else in the cast until New Blood
Lucio wasn't until the Hero of Numbani
Symmetra wasn't until Stone by Stone
if they release unconnected heroes (like Illari, Venture, Space Ranger) it's likely they have plans to connect them in the future
keen summit
oh i know, i just miss build up
and sym and lucio were both connected to vishkar
and from masquerade that made vishkar well, part of talon
golden oak
D.Va wasn't connected to anyone else in the cast until New Blood
Damn that’s a long time
I mean at least she had her group, Illari has no one
craggy thistle
azure bluff
Sombra had too much build up and it kinda spoiled it
Although she released the day before my birthday and ended up becoming my most played DPS by far so all is forgiven
vast swift
they should make more disney-style cinematics (like recall / reunion)
CHANGE MY KIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it would revive overwatch if they made a netflix series or smth
merry token
Like how LoL had arcane? (Although that was not canon to the main story)
hushed jetty
i wouldnt call those "disney-style" but yes id appreciate more 3d cinematics
i reckon everyone would
worthy rose
Bastion's cinematic was more disney style
dreamy shoal
I really wish blizzard went into more detail as to how mercy's whole resurrect thing works. I mean you gotta admit being able to resurrect dead soldiers or just dead people in general sounds like a pretty amazing ability and it's like we never get an actual explanation or the science around it
I would love to see maybe an official comic or an animated short that shows how it works cuz it definitely needs to be explained and explored. I mean they did show off what kiriko can do with her kitsune powers in her cinematic so it's not like it's impossible.
dreamy shoal
Honestly im surprised mercy doesn't have her own cinematic to herself cuz she's always featured in other characters cinematics. I don't see why, she's a very popular character and makes blizzard so much money.
peak escarp
because they don't make shorts just because the character is popular
Mercy has only appeared in one cinematic
dreamy shoal
Mercy has only appeared in one cinematic
She appeared in the pve storm rising game mode with tracer genji and winston, she was in the cutscenes as well
peak escarp
okay if you're counting those then she was in more
but those aren't usually counted as cinematics
worthy rose
I really wish blizzard went into more detail as to how mercy's whole resurrect t...
Mercy's ressurect isn't a canon ability iirc
And she uses nanotechnology iirc
worthy rose
How it should be ingame ngl
tepid edge
honestly I feel like a film or a streaming series is the only thing that can actually restore fans’ faith in the franchise atp
the lore expanding with the PVE was the top selling point of OW2 from the start
spare fox
agreed, and there's no doubt that the fanbase LOVES these heroes
it's such a waste that they have a "let's save it for later" attitude towards the story, and then later it gets cancelled or gutted
I'd love even a series of shorts along the lines of A Good Day short, where it's short, progresses the plot a bit, and we get bits of character and story from one or a couple different characters
hushed jetty
im telling u we MUST get a short set during the golden age at some point
dare i say a series
iirc there have been None set during that time
peak escarp
technically The Last Bastion is
but it doesn't have anything to do with Golden Age Overwatch
hushed jetty
ye so it doesnt really count
past copper
So since this is the next collab, who think getting the skins?
My guess is this
Jet = ???
Cassidy = Spike
Faye = ???
Sombra = Edward
past copper
I don’t know bout Jet. You would think Doomfist, if he hadn’t already gotten a Saitama skin and if his rebel skin didn’t look so close to Jet already
hushed jetty
to be fair kiriko was in both collabs so far so its not super far out there to imagine doom might get 2 skisn
past copper
past copper
i know exactly nothing about cowboy bebop sadly ,
You should watch it. Classic anime with great stories and adventures
keen summit
I don’t know bout Jet. You would think Doomfist, if he hadn’t already gotten a S...
Maybe mauga?
nimble bluff
I wanna talk about lore
keen summit
I wanna talk about lore
Talk then
past copper
I can't see Sombra as Edward
I mean, Sombra and Ed are both unrivaled hackers, makes some sense
past copper
Well, I mean they’re kinda limited on who can be who here with these collabs
They can’t just keep using the same heroes for each one
But they don’t have much option when it comes to what the collab is 🤷♂️
And to be fair, Genji didn’t look like Genos, but that didn’t stop them
past copper
I think it really depends on what key aspects they use for the heroes and anime characters
Tracer would make sense given the playful personality, but Sombra makes sense because she’s the only hacker. So really, it’s hard to about the two
peak escarp
I think they consider appearance more than personality/skills
past copper
And I was thinking Bap as Jet too. I just see some similarities. Minus the arm
peak escarp
at least that's how it seemed for OPM
Zenyatta would have been a better match for Saitama, personality wise
past copper
Well, that’s why I see D.Va as Faye. Her mecha looks very similar to Faye’s ship. So close enough appearance to be Faye Valentine
peak escarp
that is a pretty good match
before you pointed that out I was thinking Widowmaker, because sexy lady
but D.Va works better
past copper
And Cole as Spike… well that’s just a no brainer
past copper
We will see tho. I kinda think there’s not a solid chance of someone being Ed
peak escarp
possibly
peak escarp
you think they could do Julia?
past copper
Hmm. Maybe. I would not rule her out as Ashe
keen summit
I think they consider appearance more than personality/skills
Appearance but also their core kinda who else pubches hard
vast swift
agreed, and there's no doubt that the fanbase LOVES these heroes
literally someone asked to marry mercy xd
hushed jetty
ive seen some people say venture would make a good ed if they were out at the time of the collab
hushed jetty
plot twist the venture weekend playtest goes live the same time as the collab, and they allow people to buy the venture skin before they're even out
[coping]
keen summit
plot twist the venture weekend playtest goes live the same time as the collab, a...
Ngl would be HELLA smart
Super good sells tactic
So not sum blizz would do
Blizz never does smart stuff like that
But cuz people sre yhen blinded by hype theyll just buy it even if they end up not liking venture
New hero + populair collab hype
spark veldt
I'm gonna use primal on homeless people
Game company's should release shit on weekends
Istg there concurrent players will be so much higher
Like imagine releasing a big update on Tuesday bruh
peak escarp
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keen summit
Game company's should release shit on weekends
Do u nkt realie they too have work days
spark veldt
Do u nkt realie they too have work days
Like friday
peak escarp
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upbeat kayak
There are lots of guns that don’t use regular gunpowder and steel bullets, what do they use? Is the ammo made of hard light like the suppressor in Halo? Is it plasma like laser guns?
limpid echo
What’s the in-universe explanation for the magic that Hanzo, Genji, Kiri, and Zen can do?
Zen can float, kiri can tp, and the brothers have dragons
upbeat kayak
Hanzo and Genji’s was originally supposed to be hardlight AI that’s encoded to only work with their family’s genetics, but when they added Kiriko it kinda… messed with that and now it’s likely just magic
Zen I’m not sure, likely something to do with magnetism, but again now with Kiriko it could be just actual magic from the Iris
I think it was in Kiriko’s short stories that they confirmed the fox and dragons to be actual spirits
peak escarp
Hanzo and Genji’s was originally supposed to be hardlight AI that’s encoded to o...
incorrect
Genji and Hanzo's dragons being AI/Hardlight was a fan theory
their origin was never confirmed
Zenyatta gets his power from the Iris
Kiriko, Genji and Hanzo get their power from spirits
silk lark
Kiriko, Genji and Hanzo get their power from spirits
Pretty sure they’re all Yokais
Could be wrong
peak escarp
spirits, yokai, same difference
silk lark
But I believe that would be like the legitimate name
peak escarp
yeah
silk lark
I know hardlight was like a theory a long time ago
Zen is the iris
As is ram
Ram seems to only use discord
Or negativity
silk lark
Not to mention zens abilities aren’t canon
peak escarp
yeah
silk lark
the hardlight theory was... okay
I think it was near
Neat*
But it just didn’t make sense
hushed jetty
Not to mention zens abilities aren’t canon
this is like. the lamest thing in the lore tbh
they couldnt find a way to explain it so they made it noncanon
boooooo
hushed jetty
but they're LAME
they couldve just said "the iris lets him do that" and never elaborated and it wouldve been slightly better
peak escarp
lots of heroes have abilities that aren't canon
hushed jetty
abilities that are explcitly noncanon or just ones we havent canonically seen yet
peak escarp
explicitly noncanon
hushed jetty
which ones?