lore-discussion

[dense nebula]

When he just has the pure sadistic grin

Not a happy enjoy the moment grin

I mean the devil’s smile like in that one highlight intro

[keen summit]

ngl, that seems like his fun style

[dense nebula]

he knows what he’s gonna do, and he’s gonna fucking enjoy it

[dense nebula]

Nah his fun style is just a “teeny” bit more light hearted

that’s more for when he’s essentially cornered his prey

They have nowhere to run

Nowhere to hide

[hushed jetty]

that's why i HAVE to wonder how the hell he went from fighting to protect his land from environmental harm to this

like holy fuck CHILL

[dense nebula]

I’m sure he still cares about nature

[keen summit]

again, imagine getting BLOWN UP

[dense nebula]

After all, he keeps making references to the beauty of life

[keen summit]

and then just being bacdk

[dense nebula]

“What a beautiful day”

[keen summit]

would u take life that serious

[hushed jetty]

Always living on the edge of death taught Mauga to live every day like it might be his last.
like? oh my god

[keen summit]

imagine basiclaly dying

coming back and getting twice as strong

[dense nebula]

Friendly reminder after he got brought back his first instinct was to kill

[hushed jetty]

[but still having to get upgrades all the time to avoid his hearts giving out]

[keen summit]

i mean if you already had some tendencies

i know it myself cuz id probs be the same

if you already have SOME tendencies of violence

[dense nebula]

But yeah I think Mauga has 3 states to him, each worse than the last

[keen summit]

and then came back, after getting blown up, twice as strong

[dense nebula]

Chill fun mode for your usual job

Sadistic pleasure when he really gets to enjoy the moment

Then when you fuck up and his grin is gone n

[keen summit]

yeah

thats more accurate

cuz sadistic is often his second stage

[dense nebula]

Bap is teetering between state 2 and 3

he’s one more explosion away from Mauga just saying screw it

[keen summit]

and the reason why i say hes a psychopath not sociopath is that well, the fact they are people is kinda the point for him

he ENJOYS taking the lifes away

[hushed jetty]

i have to wonder if he did kill baptiste, would he care

i like to imagine he would, but WOULD he

[keen summit]

he sees them as people as he says "there are no good people left, so how about we have some fun"

[dense nebula]

Prob in the sense how a master hunter hunts the trophy game

[hushed jetty]

bc like baptiste was his bestie we know this
but also he's nuts and is very clearly willing to hurt him

[dense nebula]

he sees Bap as a game to him

A goose chase

[keen summit]

again, i think he'd act like he forgives bap and then try to kill him as soon as he tries to shake his hand, make bap feel the betrayal he felt

just to rub it in

[kind mauve]

.

[dense nebula]

You and I both know that Bap isn’t going to fall for that thing so I doubt Mauga’d try it

[keen summit]

he'd probs then just kill him

[hushed jetty]

yeah lmfoa

bap knows damn well mauga isn't over it

[keen summit]

i think he would try it, then go if bap doesnt "okay nevermind then!"

i doubt tho he'd go for guns first

[dense nebula]

Nah, when he gets close to his prey he doesn’t show mercy even if fake

[keen summit]

no no, meant, nevermind then and then ru nat him

mauga would defo want to well fuck him up mentally too

[dense nebula]

I’m saying in the sense he wouldn’t even do the fake apology thing

He’d go straight for the kill

[keen summit]

ig more accurate be that he'd think that

[dense nebula]

If anything, Mauga would play mind games setting the arena up

[keen summit]

would go "Hm, ok." and run at him

[dense nebula]

Coin trolling the battlefield to make the circumstance perfect for himself

After all his ult is all about trapping people and giving him the upper hand

Would make sense for him to not jump out right away

[keen summit]

ngl, we basically know bap doesnt stand a chance vs him

[dense nebula]

Yeah

So that begs the question

[hushed jetty]

not unless bap does something crazy again

[dense nebula]

How tf is Bap gonna survive

[hushed jetty]

maybe overwatch jumps in to save him

[keen summit]

i honestly think that the convrontation will be with ow close

so thats why i think he'd try to seem as if he forgives him

[dense nebula]

We all know he knows where he is

[keen summit]

cuz others DONT know him

[dense nebula]

At this point it’s a matter of time

Hell maybe Sombra’ll do something to stop Mauga from getting Bap

but that comes with risks of its own

[keen summit]

so bap would go that he cant be trusted and maybe another would be more like he seems geniune cuz GOD

[dense nebula]

Big one being the possibility of having Talon turn on her

[keen summit]

but the most likely way is that winston stops him

shows him that hes outmatched

[hushed jetty]

wiggles her fingers and turns his hearts off /j

[keen summit]

sombra ngl i doubt she would go against him

cuz again, sombra is mainly self preservation

she knows how dangerous it is to annoy mauga

[hushed jetty]

but would she just sit there and let mauga get bap

ok i guess she did the first time.

[keen summit]

well, probs yes actually

why wouldnt she

[dense nebula]

Steal the prey from a hungry tiger, and you become the prey

[keen summit]

sombra rather would have mauga kill overwatch and then take their data

[dense nebula]

Wait I just realized

[keen summit]

if bap is a good distraction for overwatch to try and stop mauga she could just.. sneak in and get data

[dense nebula]

Why tf did they send Reaper to steal the data of OW members back in the recall cinematic

Sombra would’ve been the smarter option

[keen summit]

isnt it obvious?

[dense nebula]

Bruh

[keen summit]

ohhh

[hushed jetty]

did they send him or was he just doing that

[keen summit]

u meant reaper particularily

[dense nebula]

I believe he was indeed sent there

[keen summit]

uhh well ig cuz winston

if winston has his tesla, he could possible yknow

FRY SOMBRAS CPU

[dense nebula]

Godamnit

[keen summit]

i think thats why, its the only reasonable thing. however its actually more likely that he did go himself

why? doom wasnt in charge at the time

[hushed jetty]

ah true

[keen summit]

he was still in prison

[dense nebula]

I was thinking of the Here’s Johnny scene from the Shining and replaced the two with Mauga and Bap

And in my head instead of Here’s Johnny he went “HEEEEY BUDDY”

[keen summit]

yes doom had people in the prison to give info

but reaper is likely in charge of overwatch hunt so most likely as most talon council members he did his own thing

i HIGHLY doubt letting sigma mainly research was doom's idea for example

cuz sigma is proof of his theory even if hes unstable

moira is the type to go bout that.

[dense nebula]

Doom’s theory about human evolution?

[keen summit]

volskaya attack probs was doom tho, as in called by him.

[dense nebula]

Cause a lot of OW heroes prove that right

Like, almost all of them lol

Well, not almost all

A good few

[keen summit]

yes. and sigma is even bigger of that. imagine a small black hole lettign u afterwards CONTROL AN THING OF PHYSICS

[hushed jetty]

sorry to change the topic but it still flabbergasts me that mauga used to be normal shaped

[keen summit]

not just being stronger which is obvious

[hushed jetty]

like who the hell is that

[keen summit]

it is quite logical tho, 2 hearts means more bloodflow potentially

[dense nebula]

Tracer, Torb, Genji, Hanzo, Mauga, Himself, Cassidy, Reinhardt, Soldier, Reaper, Moira, Bap, and so on

[keen summit]

so ur body COULD grow cuz of that, we dont have irl proof obviously but would make kinda sense

[keen summit]

hanzo got weaker tho tbf

[hushed jetty]

this also begs the question where did the white streak come from
like did he dye it or did it just Appear

[hushed jetty]

did he?

[dense nebula]

Evolution is more than just a physical change

A mental one too

[keen summit]

conflict made him drop his sword

[hushed jetty]

oh right i guess he was better with a sword

yea

[keen summit]

he got depressed

[dense nebula]

You know what fair

[keen summit]

doom doesnt seem to think bout mental evolution either

[dense nebula]

Scratch out Hanzo

[keen summit]

cuz he says the weak are too plentifull

[dense nebula]

Also Mauga got big after just the first heart

He only got the second one because he enjoyed the rush

[keen summit]

mauga defo is an example

[dense nebula]

Genji too

[keen summit]

yeah

[dense nebula]

And Tracer

[keen summit]

but thats the thing

[dense nebula]

Her disability being turned into her superpower

[keen summit]

sigma is the most over the top of ALL of them

[dense nebula]

One which he exploited

Lmao

I think in terms of wisdom Doom is the smartest hero in the game

[keen summit]

and thats why if doom was in charge of that i doubt he would keep him liek that. i think they have autonomy over their own "sector" in talon

[dense nebula]

Zenyatta is just a big ball of life advice

[hushed jetty]

me when i experience an accident and become the embodiment of cosmic horror

[keen summit]

doom wouldnt care bout money AS WE KNOW

[dense nebula]

That’s Max’s job to worry about money

[keen summit]

so i think in reality like doom only like sometimes orders ground teams

and from what i think then reaper HIMSELF is in charge of overwatch hunt while doom leads ground missions

[dense nebula]

I never see anyone mention this about DF tho

And it annoys me

[keen summit]

doom is the general leader but if you talk devisions he'd do that

[dense nebula]

Cause I see it so plainly

He’s inspired by the Orisha of Storms Shango

[hushed jetty]

the orisa of storms

[keen summit]

i wouldnt know

[dense nebula]

Orisha is the name of Yourban gods

Here’s some tidbits and see if you see the connections

[hushed jetty]

doesnt he have a shango skin or am i insane

[dense nebula]

Most obvious thing being the element of lightning

Shango’s main colors were White and red

He was often depicted as a more tyrannical king

and was also prone to engage in wars

[keen summit]

yeah i can see it

[dense nebula]

Don’t that sound familiar

[keen summit]

but thats why i think tho that reaper went himself in lore. he probs leads the anti overwatch missions (ofcourse the real reason is probs just sombra wasnt shown yet)

[dense nebula]

Fair enough

[keen summit]

but reaper knows winston and knows well, u can easily get hurt v him

[dense nebula]

It’s 3 in the morning I need to sleep

[keen summit]

so my theory on the domains really are: Df: ground missions + talon leader (so the army too) moira is obv science, reaper is anti overwatch, sanjay might be tech cuz vishkar or whatever and max is obv money

and they all also work under doom

but from what we know, doom hasnt really like called any attacks on overwatch himself

if he'd want to get rid of anything it'd probs be orisa

and the Mondatta hit was VERY likely called by ramattra

most likely not at first in lore but from the lore we got now it seems very likely

[random sun]

can i get a TLDR for the overwatch lore pls, need it for my fanfic but im not watchingn a 3 hour video essay

[keen summit]

any specific topics?

[random sun]

just general story! also the groups if possible?

[keen summit]

ill just give you a very quick rundown. you have 3 main groups. null sector, overwatch and talon. talon is the evil org which believes in sparking a war for evolution, they work with null sector lead by just ramattra who wants to create a better world for omnics. overwatch was shut down years ago and is coming back now

lead by winston

ill keep it to modern things cuz if ur doing fanfic stuff i doubt u really want all the past stuff + thats A TON

[random sun]

actually if you'd like to, dm me!! i'd love any info you can give

[keen summit]

its more that its just alot and alot of stuff that goes everywhere. if u want some base lore watch genesis. its just like 20 minutes max i think when u watch everything. watch origin stories too

after that i can clear up any questionmarks

[random sun]

ty

[keen summit]

any questions?

sorry we had tons of people going on and on about " X lore " and i got quite tired of it cuz its too braod

[worthy rose]

sigma in lore probably stabilized his powers already.

from what i've been told, he never established his hyperspheres ability

and ingame, its just his "what if" variation on if he stabilized his powers

however...

the Mauga short story

literally showed him fighting alongside the others

wouldn't it be fine to consider the idea that he's being placed on the frontlines?

(we may see his first trials in PVE)

[keen summit]

problem is its not yet stated outright

im on the side that yes hes probs been in fights without knowing

[hushed jetty]

in the mauga origin story it was just showing that sigma is in talon

not that they wrre doing any particular fighting

[keen summit]

as its implied with him becoming a weapon, the origin story also implies battle etc and he looks serious there etc. however atm its JUST implied

im on the side that he likely has been used but atm we dont have solid proof on that. just implied

[worthy rose]

He's most likely being placed on trials by Moira and Doomfist.

[keen summit]

all origin stories are in the povs of the heroes tho so i do wonder how mauga would even know sig

[keen summit]

we dont know.

[worthy rose]

PVE will foresee Sombra leading/helping him in battle

maybe

who knows

[keen summit]

he could be send in as kinda a bomb

[worthy rose]

(i want it badly i love them 😭 )

[keen summit]

cuz he cant control it, he could just be sent in alone

wreak havoc, be retrieved

and placed back into the lab like nothing ever happened

[worthy rose]

A mission of Sigma, Moira, Reaper, and Sombra in pve would be pretty likely

Moira and Sombra help control the guy

[keen summit]

why would they do sigma??

mauga exists

[worthy rose]

Mauga doesn't outright help talon unless there's opportunity for chaos

he's basically like sombra, he has his own agenda

[keen summit]

mauga is part of talon, and most likely why wouldnt there be chaos

doom wants to create chaos

[worthy rose]

i mean he's there for particular missions

ones like recon for example

he wouldn't bother probably

[keen summit]

thing is, we dont even know yet what they want from zen

and we also know we arent playing talon there

[worthy rose]

Oh i know actually

Doomfist wants Zenyatta as a hostage for ramattra to obey him

[keen summit]

why? we saw widow grapple away in one of the early showcases as people followed him

[worthy rose]

because Ramattra went out of control

[keen summit]

doesnt make sense

at all

[worthy rose]

even to the point Doomfist can't control him

[keen summit]

ramas plan is perfect for doom

[keen summit]

and where did u get this from

[worthy rose]

Doom may fear Ramattra may kill him

[keen summit]

rama is weaker than doom

like

from what we know WAY weaker

[worthy rose]

a friend of mine, hes a huge theorist on here. Waffle.

[worthy rose]

????

[keen summit]

yep

ram isnt special

[worthy rose]

Doomfist, Mauga, and Ramattra are the same power level

apparently

[keen summit]

atleast not on his level

[worthy rose]

to some people

[keen summit]

WHAT

[worthy rose]

Mauga and Doomfist fought

[keen summit]

mauga and doom, yes.

[worthy rose]

and had a tie

[keen summit]

rama?

no

and this was probs before mauga got his guns

[worthy rose]

Ramattra's power is taken from the iris..

[keen summit]

god

[worthy rose]

so suppose

[keen summit]

no

the iris is just aurora

rama has nanites

thats it

rama is just smart, so is doom and so is mauga. ram is stronger than the average human but thats it. doom mauga are in the upper echelons. the strongest omnic is orisa

[worthy rose]

???

[lavish vessel]

We also haven’t really seen Ramattra fight in lore, we don’t know what he’s capable of

[worthy rose]

AVERAGE HUMAN?

WHAT

if he's the leader of the damn null sector

he has purpose on why he'd be the leader

besides just union

[keen summit]

you do realise null sector omnics are created by him

theyre drones

he controls them

talon gives him the resources

the only other sentient null sector omnic is a radical human hater: Kace

ramattra is from what we can speculate max top of mid tier in power

even if he has infinite nanites, lw and sym would do that better too

the strongest ones when we talk confirmed are winston, orisa, doom, mauga

theoreticals are sigma sym lw

doom v ram isnt even close if we look at his past shows of power, he destroyed 4 or15's, which were mainly good at stopping powerfull kinetic forces with just punches from his gauntlets, he created a huge crater in the ground, could predict tracer's movements etc

[keen summit]

but please, go on what makes ram better then

cuz the entire point of him is that he himself isnt that strong but hes leading a whole infinite army. zen tho could lead to ram which could mean they want to silence him so overwatch cant intervere with the war they want

[jaunty briar]

i miss when lore was simple

[keen summit]

and ngl, havent seen him ever

[keen summit]

it still is, look at illari

[jaunty briar]

i was actually just thinking abt illari

[keen summit]

there are just some that are more complex like ram, which is good cuz hes very well written

[jaunty briar]

i ditched ow for like two straight years so coming back to all this has been a trip LOL

[worthy rose]

@ruby ridge

[jaunty briar]

oh yeah im kinda still wrapping my head around ram's whole deal

since like. back in my day null sector didn't mean all that much

but i do appreciate his character a lot

nice to see a well-written fella

[keen summit]

you call that prominent?

[worthy rose]

YEAH?

[keen summit]

well null sector we only saw the first attack

[keen summit]

im ngl, ive barely ever seen him. but no theres no real evidence on ram being strong

[worthy rose]

There is one thing

[keen summit]

but if ur curious, when it comes down to it this is roughly what i think they are in strength for lore

[worthy rose]

in the ramattra novel, Zenyatta acknowledged his upbringing in power

[jaunty briar]

are you talking abt like the null sector thing in game ?

[keen summit]

uprising

yeah

that was the first attack

[jaunty briar]

mhm yeah

lot has changed since then clearly LOL

[keen summit]

rama also likely called the hit on mondatta

[worthy rose]

dude makes trees go up and suddenly he's top 3

[keen summit]

you do realise lw can create matter on the spot right?

sym can make an axe 1 km tall

[lavish vessel]

Zen would be stronger than normal ppl simply because he’s an omnic

[jaunty briar]

zen on the lowest tier is kinda funny

[keen summit]

and lw is the same in strength, likely a bit less

[worthy rose]

Reinhardt literally blocked a full blast from a titan, somehow less stronger than winston who struggled?

[keen summit]

in overwatch universe thats quite normal tbfg

[jaunty briar]

ow powerscaling 😍

[worthy rose]

also Sombra is quite a powerful foe

[lavish vessel]

But if he’s just compared to a normal person like a civilian he’d be stronger

[keen summit]

yeah. cuz rein has a shield that is made to hold alot of dmg. winston bubble is bigger and in a field so naturally is weaker

[jaunty briar]

i think theyre referring to like

offensive power

[worthy rose]

she can literally control all machinery with her fingertips.

imagine what she can do with the mind control thing on sigma?

[keen summit]

you realise that theres actually a lot less of that than u might think + we dont know to which extent

[worthy rose]

turn him against talon

[jaunty briar]

you can argue that in the long run a lot of characters could be 'more powerful' but that gets into a lot of subjectivity

[keen summit]

... mind.. control?

[worthy rose]

who knows

[keen summit]

my guy

[worthy rose]

the thing that's inputted in his brain

you didn't see the back of his head?

[keen summit]

thats not mind control

[worthy rose]

it's a glass panel

with wires

[keen summit]

yes? its never confirmed to be mind control

ever thought of oh idk, that he might use that to control his suit

[worthy rose]

??????

lmao

that doesn't make sense

maybe to control the shield

[ruby ridge]

ugh

It smells of sigma mains in here

[jaunty briar]

overwatch designs tend not to make a lot of functional sense

[worthy rose]

i main hanzo

[keen summit]

nor does mind control, he was fractured mate

[worthy rose]

😤

[jaunty briar]

i wouldnt get too wrapped up in it

[deft locust]

[keen summit]

we can talk bout counters n stuff n all im talking general stuff

[ruby ridge]

When did I say this

[keen summit]

for example widow could beat even peak power lw sym or sigma, IF she could surprise the mwith a shot

[worthy rose]

like

july

[ruby ridge]

Erm July I was new to the lore

Ramattra’s weak for all we know

Hee just a ordinary war Omnic

Most of the big cast could probably beat him 1v1

[jaunty briar]

oh ofc

[lavish vessel]

We don’t know if he does even have his nemesis form in lore

[jaunty briar]

yeah thats what i mean like

[ruby ridge]

Exacrly

[keen summit]

also btw, when he was in the asylum he ALSO had stuff back there

[jaunty briar]

when you get into 'well actually in canon x could kill y if x was in this specific situation' it gets a bit redundant

[ruby ridge]

All we know about sigma is he was still learning how to use his powers in code of violence

[keen summit]

nanites probs so yeah, he probs does. but even if he did it doesnt make him much stronger

[ruby ridge]

Where he was playing with some floaty balls I think

[worthy rose]

he most likely does, didn't you mention the time zenyatta talked about his muscles?

[lavish vessel]

True true, I just hope we get confirmation if he does actually have it soon, maybe in the coming pve waves

[keen summit]

illari is btw SO overrated

[worthy rose]

bro

she sucks

[keen summit]

in lore

[lavish vessel]

I was making a joke about shipping them lmfaoooo

[worthy rose]

lore wise

[jaunty briar]

like in terms of strength or

[ruby ridge]

We don’t know illari lore wise

Just that she sun nuked hee own village

[keen summit]

yep

[worthy rose]

she's just a stoic woman with no personality

[ruby ridge]

But we don’t know if she can do that on command

[jaunty briar]

illari has like. very little lore so far

[keen summit]

she didnt, her altar did

it was like overcharging a battery

[jaunty briar]

why hate on the new character like give them idk. 5 years to maybe give her a personality

[ruby ridge]

We know she can use her Gunn atleast so like

[keen summit]

shes not weak, she can fly which in a fight is already good

[worthy rose]

does it look like we have 5 years to like a character 😭

[keen summit]

but alot of people act like shes above everyone

like no

[worthy rose]

that's like asking us to take 8 years to like Spiderman

[jaunty briar]

doesnt matter, theyre gonna take 5 years regardless 🙏 god bless the ow writers

[keen summit]

im guessing illari will join overwatch cuz redemption

[topaz dome]

well if you read the recent runs

[keen summit]

so i doubt theyll give that much waiting time to her

[jaunty briar]

oh yeah atp everyones gonna join ow

[topaz dome]

is there an illari short

[jaunty briar]

omg hi ivan

kissies

[topaz dome]

hello

[jaunty briar]

oh sorry. should i not ruin ur good image on the ow server.

[topaz dome]

its fine

cough this is lore discussion

[worthy rose]

will mauga and rein get oiled up and have a wrestling session eventually

[keen summit]

nah more that it makes sense for her, shes searchign for redemption for what happened, the best way to flesh it out is make her join overwatch ,save lots of people and eventually realise it WASNT her fault

[jaunty briar]

im going to get reported its over

[topaz dome]

nobody cares since that one mod left

[jaunty briar]

i mean yeah thats the boring way

[keen summit]

its so cliche that i know itl happen

[keen summit]

and its illari

[topaz dome]

its overwatch bro

[keen summit]

do you really think theyll make it deep with illari?

[topaz dome]

idk about you but i aint here for plot twists

[keen summit]

yknow what i also had a writing tier list

[jaunty briar]

help rlly

[topaz dome]

still waiting on that third shimada brother

[jaunty briar]

lets see it

[worthy rose]

the only characters who had good writing was the original overwatch team from the omnic crisis

and Tracer

everyone else sucks

[jaunty briar]

wow thats

such a take

[worthy rose]

Yeah?

all the comics

going around them

[jaunty briar]

nods my head mhmmm yeahhhh . okkkayyyyy

[topaz dome]

is that an eren pfp

[keen summit]

ngl dont know where i had it

[worthy rose]

Rein
Moira
Reaper
Doom
Ana
Jack
Cassidy
Torb

[worthy rose]

yes.

[keen summit]

... i mean rein is there ig

best written are ram in number 1, then rein and then doom

like complexity, character, consistency

[topaz dome]

what character traits does rein have outside of being an uncle for torbs children

[keen summit]

everything

[twilit patrol]

Ram is the OW villain ever made

[topaz dome]

he has more than one right

[keen summit]

he has a shit ton

[jaunty briar]

literally im sorry rein is an incredibly basic character, esp for ow's standards

[topaz dome]

yea i like beer too

[keen summit]

he has that he tried to save civilians but got them killed, got kicked out cuz of it etc

[worthy rose]

Kiriko feels like that smug self insert who's absolutely obnoxious to everyone

she was so nice in the damn intro but not in the game?

[keen summit]

nah, then u havent read into him

he has a lot

[topaz dome]

i hope kiriko dies actually

[worthy rose]

true

[keen summit]

its just that the game simplifies him like most ones

[twilit patrol]

Rein was a jerk before

[topaz dome]

they should invent a reason to kill her

[jaunty briar]

true

[worthy rose]

the balance team wants to marry her

so

she doesn't get any nerfs

only buffs

[jaunty briar]

erm this is the lore channel /sar

[keen summit]

rein had character development, and then got punished by the world for wanting to do the right thing

[topaz dome]

is there a lore reason for reaper losing his grenade launchers after the first short

riddle me this

[keen summit]

nope

[jaunty briar]

he lost them

in lore actually

[keen summit]

didnt feel like using it

[topaz dome]

they were like underbarrel

for the shotguns

which raises many questions but that's not what we're after

[keen summit]

the first short honestly is so bad that i barely consider it

[jaunty briar]

yeah he had a bad day and destroyed them and then talon said that he couldnt be trusted with them anymore if hes gonna act like a big baby with them

[keen summit]

it still makes me laugh people take a kid saying others said that doom could level a skyscraper as the main piece of proof

like not only did a kid say it, who knows maybe he did research, but a kid said he heard rumors of him doing that

most underrated in lore strength probs are like sym orisa lw

[topaz dome]

nah be fr everyone loves sym lore wise

[keen summit]

maybe reaper too but hes weird cuz he doesnt die but also always loses every fight

[jaunty briar]

gonna need symm to go crazy and feral soon

[topaz dome]

oooo hard light

dude reaper

[keen summit]

i meant more like, people underestimate how strong she is

[topaz dome]

i wish they made him do something

[keen summit]

1km long axe

[jaunty briar]

what is with you and this axe bro

[topaz dome]

what axe

[keen summit]

i mean, imagine creating something that big just like that

[jaunty briar]

why an axe

[topaz dome]

dont need to imagine

[jaunty briar]

why not a lightsaber

[keen summit]

sym has said she can

[jaunty briar]

think abt it bro

[topaz dome]

if an axe is that big it stops being sharp in comparison to the small things it needs to cut

[keen summit]

so i use the axe example cuz thats whats been said

[topaz dome]

so might as well just make a hammer

see symmetra is kinda stupid in the lore for that

B tier at best

[jaunty briar]

symm with the hard light squeaky toy hammer

[keen summit]

keep in mind the reason she said an axe was cuz jq asked for an axe

she even mentioned it wouldnt be wieldable

[topaz dome]

wow. think abour it .

[jaunty briar]

the writers dont want you to know this one simple trick

[topaz dome]

symmetra is basically green lantern

except she does nothing about it

[keen summit]

samme with lw

[jaunty briar]

she's just a girl bro

[keen summit]

lw does it bur organic

[jaunty briar]

leave her tf alone

[topaz dome]

no shes evil

leave capitalism

[jaunty briar]

how dare you

[keen summit]

sym in theory could create a box around you, shrink it and crush you into a small little cube of human meat

[jaunty briar]

she's not evil she's LITERALLY being manipulated please explode

[keen summit]

she doesnt know how fucked vishkar is tbf

[jaunty briar]

this is kinda epic can this be the next highlight intro plz

[topaz dome]

how do u imagine that

[jaunty briar]

idk. lots of blood?

[keen summit]

im a psychopath

i mean

i am very creative

[jaunty briar]

girl not too much

[topaz dome]

a high functioning psychopath

haha get the reference

[jaunty briar]

no

[keen summit]

yes i do

but in theory lw and sym can do the most torturous shit ever

[topaz dome]

sad! you seem to be not very fitting for this channel 😟

[keen summit]

so we should be happy we dont have an evil vishkar person with talon hmmm (Sanjay)

[topaz dome]

and craig bro

[jaunty briar]

not craig !!

[topaz dome]

they should make a symmetra that makes evil fucked up shit

and get this

their constructs would be red

[jaunty briar]

she will be called asymmetra

[topaz dome]

and then an orange one whos really greedy and then

[keen summit]

you done?

[topaz dome]

no

[keen summit]

hardlight variations arent plentifull from what we know, lucio's is green, lw isnt hardlight its a variation called biolight and then normal vishkar hardlight is blue

[topaz dome]

theres gonna be these guardians

lucio's what

[jaunty briar]

can i talk about how much i dislike how they treated mercy and how lazy i find her character here bc this server better be ready

[keen summit]

lucios gun is from vishkar

partly

[topaz dome]

oh again

well it shoots sound dunnit

[keen summit]

kinda

it shoots hardlight

propelled by sound

or formed by it

[topaz dome]

where does it say that

[jaunty briar]

which part

[topaz dome]

hard light

[keen summit]

we know vishkar stole the tech and claimed it as their own and then lucio stole it back

[jaunty briar]

i think most can be assumed like. the gun is objectively stolen vishkar tech

[keen summit]

it was stolen from his dad, and then re-stolen by lucio

[topaz dome]

sound gun

[worthy rose]

So Lucio and LW basically stole Vishkar tech right?

Does Lucio have as many bounties as LW does?

I always thought about that. LW stole tech and he's a wanted criminal, but Lucio stole tech and he's a world renowned DJ?

[keen summit]

Lw stole it in a different way

Lucio stole a product

Lw stole all the research files he had made on biologht

Aka he broke the contract of all their research being for vishkar, lucio just stole an product

Biolight would mean vishkars hardlight could do everything

Attack, build, protect and then even heal and be organic

[valid acorn]

What faction does ball belong to?

(overwatch, talon, the junkers, etc)

[keen summit]

junkers

[valid acorn]

Even with the upgraded ball?

[keen summit]

hes the champ there

[keen summit]

we dont know what he does after

[valid acorn]

they need to show ball more love

frfr

[keen summit]

well hes getting 2 stories in march

yeah

2

so one is for junkers and one something with space

[jaunty briar]

wait srs lore discussion

why in the actual hell is JQ's real name Odessa. what about Odessa is remotely Australian. if you came here with that name, you'd be bullied mercilessly. does primary school still exist in the outback? if so, did she get bullied. i hope so

[keen summit]

outback has no school system

so

no

and if they did, she'd probs beat them up

[valid acorn]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

IM IN LOVE WITH BLIZZARD NOW

[jaunty briar]

Is this canon

Wow just like in real life Australia

Also this is genuine

[keen summit]

she litterally says so

[jaunty briar]

LMAO

[keen summit]

"we got an education systeM????"

[jaunty briar]

Ah yeah ok I vaguely remember reading that

Is Sydney canonically the only civilised place in Aus

[keen summit]

we dont know

we only have seen sydney and outback

[peak escarp]

the major cities are fine

it's just the outback that's gone Mad Max

[hushed jetty]

must be weird living in sydney knowing the Apocalypse is a hop skip and a jump away

[valid acorn]

is hammond forklift certified?

[full scarab]

@agile geode yo what happened to ur group

[rugged zenith]

🫃🏽

[smoky light]

Is oiled doom on the Beach cannon?

[ruby ridge]

I learned that torbjorn created Ana’s nano technology

[rare trail]

nano isnt canon iirc?

[ruby ridge]

idk but it’s on torbjorn shutting down a nanoed enemy voiceline

[dawn jolt]

Guys I actually think Hammond is secretly working with Talon

[spare fox]

They appropriated Dr. Ziegler's research against her wishes, too. It was part of Dr. Ziegler's agreement on joining OW that they wouldn't use it for harm

[worthy rose]

Does she actively hold it against them for that? I don't feel like I've seen that kind of interaction

[spare fox]

It did not help when she was questioned by the UN about OW

[peak escarp]

she objected to it when the weapon was prototyped years ago, so it's probably still a sore spot for her

[spare fox]

I'm pretty sure she's willing to put it aside in order to help people though

[peak escarp]

yeah

[golden oak]

He designed pretty much everything in Ana’s kit
Maybe except sleep but I’m not sure

[keen summit]

He atleast created anas rifle

Wasnt made for ana

[jaunty briar]

HELP

[keen summit]

Whywould u think that

[topaz dome]

i dont think he can work for shit hes a stupid little rodent

[jaunty briar]

This raises so many questions for me. What about Tasmania? Are they an autonomous region? What about Western Australia? They always threaten to become their own nation and I think at the time of OW they would be able to. Does Darwin count as a major city?

[topaz dome]

i dont think they know bro

[jaunty briar]

well I have QUESTIONS

[topaz dome]

email michael chu or whatever

[jaunty briar]

I literally will

[topaz dome]

oh hes gone nvm

well maybe bro still had ideas

[stable crag]

@sharp slate If I recall correctly the Iris is just Aurora

[sharp slate]

Ok

So still how do healing and discord orb work?

[stable crag]

Uhh

Ion even know tbh

[sharp slate]

Is it spiritual and something having to do with the iris and how according to the wiki Aurora transcended existence or something? Or is it done through technology?

[stable crag]

Healing orb prolly calming thoughts discord prolly anxienty

[sharp slate]

Since magic does seem to exist in the world of Overwatch(The fox spirit gives Kiriko her abilities and stops her from getting diabetes from eating nothing but donuts)

[stable crag]

Aurora was deletd to free all of omnic kind from Anubis and I THINK some omnic monks found a way to salvage her remnants to create the Iris

[sharp slate]

How did deleting Aurora free them from the anubis?

[stable crag]

She was the ONLY omnic with sentience therefore she wasn't corrupted by Anubis' code

[sharp slate]

Yes I got that much, how did deleting herself free the other omnics and make them sentient? Was it done in some technology way or did she just give her spirit to them or something?

[stable crag]

Was never explained in the shorts or well it was but vaguely. I'd just chop it up to her sharing her sentience code with every omnic and giving them a choice

[sharp slate]

Why did sharing her code delete her tho?

[stable crag]

Idek tbh I'd have to rewatch the shorts to see if they said why

[sharp slate]

Surely the scientists that made her would have had her code backed up on a USB stick or something and could've just used that

[jaunty briar]

aren't the healing and discord orbs not canon ?

same with the iris just as a general religious concept

afaik zen is literally just a robot monk in canon and has zero powers

[keen summit]

it was more like Uploading

she uploaded herself onto ALL the omnics, ulploaded her "sentient" code into all of them, at the cost of herself

like moving some stuff from a to b in your computer, it can sometimes no longer work then.

[worthy rose]

Zen has his floating orbs in canon. We see him meditating in the air with them when Talon arrives for him iirc

[keen summit]

floating isnt special ngl

like

we see tons of floating cars

[worthy rose]

And I think the Iris is a religious concept, just not a widely spread one. The monks don't seem to travel outside their monasteries except for Mondatta, who wanted to spread their message, and Ramattra, who lost faith in their cause.

[keen summit]

compare it to now it would be crazy, but to overwatch universe floating stuff is like super normal

[keen summit]

zenyatta

zen is the one who travels a TON

[worthy rose]

Yeah, I just don't think Zenyatta really spreads the Iris around as much as he just provides general guidance to those in need

[keen summit]

you have mondatta who wanted peace for everyone through words not actions, wanted to do it all peacefull and save EVERY omnic cuz of it
Ramattra who wants peace for everyone but does it through actions instead of words cuz hes seen it doesnt work for all omnics

then u have zen who focusses on induviduals

its why i never consider ram and zen mirrors of eachother

i called alot bout ram funnily enough

cuz i guessed that he would only use purple cuz we always saw mondatta with yellow and zen has both and he'll be a mirror of mondatta aka words arent enough

peace isnt an option etc

and look at that

[worthy rose]

I still think it would be cool if we saw a Transcendence and Annihilation clash where Zen and Ram have a debate-off during it. Just staring at one another during their ults

[keen summit]

thing bout ram is that he has no reason to argue with zen

nobody can argue with ram, cuz he IS right.

mondattas words didnt help, lots of omnics even opressed ones kinda just accept it and theyre all finite

he is right, problem is that hes now desperate for a fix and has decided this war is the only way of forcing humanity to do so as previous peacefull attempts failed (like the government plan for the omnium in australia and all of mondattas tries)

thats why hes such a well done hero, hes right, you cant help but partially agree when u know the lore

its not "humans need to die" its "forcing omnics to be free and forcing humanity to accept it"

thats also the thing, he doesnt hate all humans, he hates humanity. which is VERY different. humanity is the whole, the majority and sadly it seems the majority dont want omnics to be equals as there hasnt been a big project for omnics since the omnium incident in australia. all that exists is numbani and some countries where omnic hate is frowned upon, of which we know only japan

[jaunty briar]

I don’t really count the floating (of the orbs or himself) as a power

It’s def canon

Like he canonically floats

But the healing + discord orbs + his ult don’t exist in canon afaik

Which makes sense, since that would essentially make his religion real and tangible, and obv OW isn’t about to start a discussion over religion LOL

[rare trail]

healing is kidna canon iirc

theres a vl with mercy about it

and his religion is like canon

like aurora was real and the iris was real

[proud turtle]

hot take

if you ship widow with anyone you suck

[peak escarp]

hot take
if you ship you suck

[sharp trench]

mildly hot take

[lavish vessel]

Aww :(

I think shipping is fine, as long as u don’t try to push it as canon

[dense nebula]

Nah, I ain’t giving it even an inch

They’ll try and take a mile

[lavish vessel]

lol fair enough

[peak escarp]

I wouldn't mind it so much of people had respect for canon

but most ships completely disregard canon

[lavish vessel]

Ah yeah that’s true, I mainly find it problematic if it’s like soldier x a woman or something gross like that

[proud turtle]

it depends on what the canon is

[proud turtle]

this!!! shipping tracer x a man is weird, widow x anyone is weird (it’s literally her whole character that her husband died) moira x anyone she tests on is weird asf too

[peak escarp]

canon is anything officially published by Blizzard

[sharp trench]

Shipping sucks. End of story.

[proud turtle]

shipping is apart of a lot of fandoms, its bound to happen no matter what

and its okay to be like “omg theyd be cute together!!!”

[dense nebula]

Which is why groups who make the thing the fandom is surrounding need to snuff it out

[hushed jetty]

bro does not realize that people sometimes get remarried after being widowed

but either way yeah ships are almost always noncanon based

[spare fox]

Shippers gonna ship but there's definitely a line

Enjoying something is fine but harrassing other fans and creators is obnoxious at best

[hushed jetty]

yea

[worthy rose]

Depends

I seen a lot of Illari x Kiriko art and it's cute

I personally don't ship Pharmercy though

Their relationship is playful at best

[sharp slate]

Why not just ctrl+c → ctrl+v

[sharp trench]

ship bad. end of story

on G

[hushed jetty]

shipping is harmless if done tastefully

all in good fun

[azure bluff]

I don't think it has a place in Lore-discussion, that's my opinion

[sharp slate]

There's also stuff that I don't ship as in think it would actually happen in the current world but stuff I could see happening, like obvs rn it wouldn't work but I think a redemption arc would fit Sombra and then she would go be cute with Dva

[sharp slate]

But actually a Sombra redemption arc would be cool. You can tell she does have a heart/care about people from her interactions with Sigma and distaste towards Talon's treatment of him, she could break him out and that would be motivation to betray Talon.

[sharp slate]

She does have a heart she's just been in some difficult situations and put morals to the side. I could see her breaking him out, but she gets found out and has to flee, then, getting to view Talon from an external perspective instead of them being her group, she sees the harm they're causing the world and decides to help people.

[jaunty briar]

Damn. I must be old

Last time I remember it being talked about (years ago) they basically nixed all of Zen’s abilities in regard to canon

Man I gotta catch up on current canon this is ridiculous

[worthy rose]

The iris is real

And it's a tangible thing

We see it in the Invasion PvE

[rare trail]

zen doesnt really have any like powers

he can maybe float and heal

[worthy rose]

I don't think the iris is like

A living thing I think

[rare trail]

like transcendance isnt canon at least not to zen

[worthy rose]

The Iris is more of a state of nature or something like that

Not like a sentient god

I think

It was definitely created from Aurora if I remember

[opaque tundra]

yeah the iris is just a pretty floating blob of....something under(?) nepal

im sure we'll learn more about it bc the fact that it's been mentioned a lot makes me think it's gonna be important later

[rare trail]

it kinda like is aurora iiirc?

[opaque tundra]

i think that's purposely left ambiguous?

[rare trail]

iirc its kinda explained in genesis

and maybe in declassified idk

[jaunty briar]

'floating blob of something' is so real

[slate sable]

they teleport bread

and

then they

do it for 3 day

and then

scary moster bred comes in

they heft to kiel it

this is real lore

im serious

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @slate sable

[twilit nacelle]

@slate sable Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[slate sable]

damit namit

ok

[spiral river]

Really?

[worthy rose]

In the post credits scene

[spiral river]

ohhhh, when talon finds zen

but when do we see the iris?

like the triangle symbol we see on the map?

[worthy rose]

You can see it in the info gallery in the mission section

[spiral river]

oh

[worthy rose]

It's literally just an oversized orb of harmony

[spiral river]

oh lol

thats it?

just a big ball?

[worthy rose]

It's a big ol ball of yellow

[spiral river]

nice lol

[spare fox]

a big ball of yellow light

[spare fox]

just a bunch of re-occurring motifs:
light/energy/eyes
insects/hexagons (like a hive)

especially when it comes to omnics and sentience

[past copper]

I’d imagine standing in the presence of the Iris gives you this feeling of standing before something divine, but welcoming

I certainly hope Ram’s master plan doesn’t do anything that harms the Iris

[opaque tundra]

i think he'd actively avoid trying to harm it (but it would be wild and perfect karma if he does end up harming it unintentionally)

[acoustic ice]

two questions popped up in my mind

1. What was Soldier 76 doing in Cairo?
2. Is Reinhardt an informant with Sombra or at least connected? He seems to know her name in an interaction about his phone being slow

[peak escarp]

1. Soldier was hunting down Reaper, who had been seen in Cairo
2. in-game interactions are hypothetical, some heroes know other heroes they've never met

[acoustic ice]

i think it’d just be interesting if reinhardt happened to know sombra canonically

[peak escarp]

Sombra has apparently been working as an informant for Soldier though

which will be explored in the upcoming short story collection

[keen summit]

Its likely zarya would tell them cuz she does know

[little crest]

Me finding out Zarya is 30 💀

[jagged mortar]

I mean it makes sense, she looks 30

I'm really excited for the next PVE release bc of the zen ending

But it looks like its coming late with the layoffs

[topaz dome]

zarya should have a pink beard

[stuck stump]

Are Zarya and Brigitte comparable in strength

[jagged mortar]

No zarya is basically (not sure on the terminology but) a strongwoman, she lifted 512 pounds as her max and was going to compete in tournaments but the war started so she joined the military, and while Brigitte is strong, she is no where near as strong as Zarya

[topaz dome]

512 pounds

its kilograms bro

1128 pounds

[hushed jetty]

not even remotely

[stuck stump]

Is the k-pop music video canon

[fresh rock]

❌

[stuck stump]

Lol I wouldn't be surprised if they put their differences aside and just had fun

[valid acorn]

wait do brigg, torb, bastion and ball live in one household?

[grand wedge]

No

For now, Kiriko haven’t met any OW member

WB only knew Winston from their time shared on the moon.

[valid acorn]

then whats it with the interaction between brig and ball mentioning Ganymede?

[grand wedge]

In game interactions are not canon

[stuck stump]

Has Kiriko been trained with a sword

[grand wedge]

They reflect their personalities

[grand wedge]

Yes

[valid acorn]

still it implies hammond was around bastion's birb.

[worthy rose]

Zarya is (officially) the strongest woman alive iirc

[grand wedge]

It implies that if Hammond were living next to them, he would probably eat some Ganymede’ seeds.

That’s the difference.

[worthy rose]

There's also the interaction where Ram says he'll find seeds for Ganymede if he comes across any in their Bastion interaction

[grand wedge]

Yes. They haven’t met but if they met, Ram would show interest in Bastion’ bird and would indulge him.

[worthy rose]

Ram is generally very kind to Bastion and to nature in general

[grand wedge]

It’s to show his personality

[stuck stump]

D.Va must be a millionaire right

[worthy rose]

That's basically what the interactions are meant for

[twilit patrol]

Why should she?

[stuck stump]

She's a world famous esports player

[worthy rose]

Retired esports player

[twilit patrol]

Idk if esports players are usually millionaire

[worthy rose]

Depends on the game

LoL pros are millionaires

[grand wedge]

The only canon interactions are the ones from Story missions and other media that tell the stories of heroes. Not the PvP lobbies, because that’s non canon.

[twilit patrol]

I’m a bit surprised tbh

[worthy rose]

But Dva played Starcraft competitively, so I don't really think Dva ever gained millionaire status

[grand wedge]

There is no indication on the lore about Dva’s wealth

[worthy rose]

Also doesn't Dva stream her combat missions to her fans? At least before joining Overwatch

[grand wedge]

She didn’t. She was playing Macha Guardien VI ( not sure of the number)

[twilit patrol]

Idk

[stuck stump]

Does Overwatch pay their members

[twilit patrol]

Probably

[grand wedge]

Probably not now. Before the fall, yes

[worthy rose]

Overwatch is a self-funded vigilante group. And before that, they were funded by the UN

[twilit patrol]

Yea

[grand wedge]

We don’t know how they work financially

[stuck stump]

Is Overwatch in the right

Despite being criminals

[worthy rose]

Legally, no

[twilit patrol]

They aren’t allowed to do what they’re doing currently

[grand wedge]

Idk, it’s up to you.

[worthy rose]

You can always argue that Overwatch is causing more destruction than they're preventing

[grand wedge]

It’s like every other hero media.

[worthy rose]

It's the Spider-Man Vs. Jamison conflict

[grand wedge]

Some people say they do good, other they do wrong.

Morally right/ legally wrong

[twilit patrol]

Fact

[worthy rose]

Overwatch's downfall is basically the start of The Incredibles

[stuck stump]

Well they're definitely not doing as much harm as Null Sector and Talon

[worthy rose]

With a hint of Order 66

[valid acorn]

i was confused but now i understand that its hypothetical

so hyped for more ball lore

[grand wedge]

In March you’ll have some 😉

[valid acorn]

i know and im glad

[grand wedge]

Their cover operations

[worthy rose]

Blackwatch was a secret side to Overwatch that focused on espionage and legally dubious operations

[twilit patrol]

Is it Wrecking Ball from the hit game Overwatch 2

[valid acorn]

[worthy rose]

The pve mission we got for Blackwatch in the Archives event was the mission where Blackwatch was revealed to the world. That started Overwatch's downfall

[twilit patrol]

Yeah

Best mission actually

I miss it

[worthy rose]

They should've had those missions all available in the missions tab

[grand wedge]

Yeas

[worthy rose]

That tab is just empty with those 3 invasion missions

[twilit patrol]

It should be free

[grand wedge]

With the new dates and the Cassidy name change

[worthy rose]

I think that his name in the lore was originally still Jesse McCree

[grand wedge]

No

[worthy rose]

He just changed it after Overwatch was shut down

[grand wedge]

It’s a complete retcon

[worthy rose]

Ah

[grand wedge]

Yeah

[twilit patrol]

I thought he changed his name in the lore too

[grand wedge]

And bad timing with Deadlock Rebels novel

His name is full Cole Cassidy in his bio and in the latest book, Declassified

[worthy rose]

Honestly, kinda lame. I think it would have been cool for him to change his name to symbolize that he isn't the same man he was when he used to be part of Blackwatch. Which kinda coincides with the real life events?

[grand wedge]

In the french Deadlock Rebels novel, it got released a year after and with Cole Cassidy in it.

[twilit patrol]

It would be cool indeed

[grand wedge]

They just retconed it. Better get use to it.
I’d rather have him having go by the name Joel at some point (remember that old interaction with Sombra « my name is not Joel »)

[worthy rose]

I want a pve mission that's focused on Talon

[twilit patrol]

The mistake was to name the character with a real name

[worthy rose]

Maybe the next pve event

[twilit patrol]

Yeah

But I don’t think we’ll play a Talon heroes

[worthy rose]

I need more talon interactions. I need Moira and Sigma's fieldwork debuts

Get them mfs out of the lab

[twilit patrol]

Moira out of the lab?

[grand wedge]

Yeah. Break grandpa free. Make Sombra exfill him to OW for his sake because she care about him

[stuck stump]

What does Sombra want to know about? I know she wants knowledge but is there anything specific

[worthy rose]

A tank maybe, so Sigma or Doomfist

[grand wedge]

We have the next part of the cinematic from blizzconline

[worthy rose]

She wants to know who controls the world

[grand wedge]

In her origin story, it’s something along the lines of « who rule the world » or something

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/180471683759472640/1049410807642980362/he_protec_he_attak.gif

This gif

[stuck stump]

Has she made any progress towards finding out

[worthy rose]

Standing Zenyatta is still jarring

Lmao

[grand wedge]

It was an in progress cinematic back in .. 2020?

[twilit patrol]

No

It was in progress

[grand wedge]

I sure hope it’s finished by now

[twilit patrol]

A cinematic cannot be make in 2 seconds

I don’t joke

[grand wedge]

Sorry, I didn’t get the tone of your message 🫠

[twilit patrol]

I don’t want to bless you

At the same time we’re writing in the chat

[worthy rose]

The monastery mission will probably be Zenyatta, Genji, and two other OW operatives that followed Genji

[grand wedge]

Most likely Genji, Zen, and Zarya/Winston and for the other dps… I think it was shown Pharah back in 2020

I think Zarya and Winston were shown.

I just hope they don’t do to much heroes like the Toronto mission.

I enjoyed the Gotteborg much more lore wise

[worthy rose]

I think they should do this for more major missions

[grand wedge]

Having to play Toronto again and again for the codex was… tiring

[worthy rose]

Like when the OW team has to fight Doomfist and his army, should be like an Endgame moment lmao

Doomfist with his new gauntlet, might I add, if they're going that route

[twilit patrol]

I actually think it will happen after Null Sector

[grand wedge]

I’d enjoy Toronto more if like, one part of the city with one team, another one with another team saving someone else or something

[twilit patrol]

Overwatch vs Talon will be like the Endgame

[grand wedge]

It’s not Hero mission… replayability is not the point and they shouldn’t mix both just because they scrapped hero mission

For now OW are fighting Talon and Null Sector. But they must have some grander scheme at some point . Anubis is still there. And some God IA are still…. Somewhere

[twilit patrol]

Seriously they should have killed Anubis

[worthy rose]

Ram was right

[twilit patrol]

What?

[worthy rose]

Ram has an interaction with Pharah saying they should have destroyed Anubis

[twilit patrol]

Oh yeah

[worthy rose]

Pharah says that she didn't expect him to say that, he says that humanity makes a lot of assumptions

It's one of my more favorite Ram lines

Showing how much smarter he is and delivering a low burn in the process

[grand wedge]

Yeah

Ram is an amazing character and antagonist

[twilit patrol]

Ram is the OW villain ever made

[worthy rose]

They hit the ball park with Ram and Mauga character wise

Every other new ow2 hero minus JQ kinda shit the bed

Tho I like Sojourn's straight man attitude

[grand wedge]

Those characters all come from OW1

LW and Willard came from OW2

[worthy rose]

Kiriko is probably my least favorite character personality wise

It's not even that she's annoying, just inconsistent imo

[twilit patrol]

She’s a wasted character

[grand wedge]

That’s because she is written very inconsistently

[worthy rose]

I liked her a lot in the animated short

Ingame, she's treated more as a general trickster

[grand wedge]

And in Yokai

[worthy rose]

If we get Norse Mythology for the next season she's definitely getting a Loki skin

Give Rein a Thor skin

[twilit patrol]

It would be sick

[grand wedge]

Mercy and Pharah got their personalities butchered in OW2 imo

In the voicelines

[worthy rose]

I think Junkrat too

[grand wedge]

Idk, it’s just. Mercy is very mean sometimes and Pharah’s voice is more annoying

Junkrat, they just went crazy with his craziness

But it seems they tried to give him some … humanity?

[worthy rose]

I think Hog actually became a better character in OW2

I like his interactions

[grand wedge]

Hog is always good.

Don’t talk much, take no shit.

Hard to mess that up

[worthy rose]

I like how he sometimes shows his military experience

Especially with Ana

[grand wedge]

It subtile

[worthy rose]

"Watch the high ground."
"I didn't take you for a strategist."
"Hmph. Used to it."

[twilit patrol]

I feel like Hog hates his life

[grand wedge]

(That was a nice chat, gotta go, have a nice day y’all ! )

[twilit patrol]

See you ma’am

[worthy rose]

I have to go soon too

In like 15 minutes

[twilit patrol]

Work?

[worthy rose]

Yeah

[twilit patrol]

It’s illegal

[worthy rose]

If I don't, I'll never save enough for my PC

[twilit patrol]

Ohhh right

[stuck stump]

I bet Winston will be defeated in some way eventually

Probably not killed but

I wonder if Tracer tones up her happiness and positivity in public

[twilit patrol]

By who?

[smoky tendon]

doomfist

[rare trail]

he already beat doomfist in singapore iirc

[peak escarp]

D.Va definitely does

she's a lot more serious when not in front of an audience

[stuck stump]

She definitely has to deal with a lot for her age

[peak escarp]

Tracer does have a solemn side to her

she feels a lot of guilt over what happened to Mondatta

even though it wasn't her fault

[stuck stump]

I just thought she might have some trauma from the accident

[azure bluff]

As it turns out, "Jesse McCree" really was a terrible name for a cowboy...

[smoky tendon]

erm didn't they just change his name because of some activision blizzard drama

[azure bluff]

I like Cole, though it would've been cool if he was Joel instead, given that one Sombra interaction

[azure bluff]

That's the real life reason, but they wrote his name change into the lore

[smoky tendon]

erm i don't think that's true

[merry token]

Cole and Ashe, coal and ash

[azure bluff]

They really were meant to be /hj

[smoky tendon]

🤏

erm i don't believe you

i just believe the facts

[fresh rock]

???

[hushed jetty]

i can like, guarantee they didnt do that