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Cause well that was the main reason i was waiting for Overwatch 2
Any new héro soon ?
I heard about a dude using à drill for season 10
we just got Mauga, so the next hero (a Canadian nonbinary Damage hero named Venture) won't come until season 10
we also have 3 Japanese and 3 Australians and 4 Americans
Why would we need more French characters
Yeah but nobody like americans and everyone love japaneses
And australians are funny
Because best country
Best healthcare system of the entire world
Mercy should have been french
Are u french?
yeah but you're French
Canada has good healthcare without being French
Because I can see you’re not familiar with english
Yes because they took that from us
Personnally I want a Luxembourgish character
technically we took it from Britain
Hey i'm learning on my own
you're doing pretty good
Yes don’t worry
And from who they took that idea ? Ah yes...France
I’m curious to see how Luxembourg is in OW
He has* 😉
I was born in Luxembourg and I like this country
Even if it’s small
Baptiste is from Haiti, which is a former French colony
I have been...In Irland, England, Maroc, Belgique, Espagne...
so he speaks English, French and Haitian Creole
Ah yes that's true
if Pharah went to school in Canada, she would know basic French too
Sojourn would too
Yes but sadly she didn't
I don’t like the fact that everyone in OW is speaking english like their natives languages
we don't know where she went to school
Sojourn should be abble to speak french actually
Well if everyone was speaking their native language in game it would be cacophonia
But basically, Korean people doesn’t speak english and D.va is speaking english perfectly?
don't Koreans take English in high school?
Imagine if 12 person speaking different language were in the same room
They aren’t familiar with English
It would be impossible to deal with
I don’t know if they study English in their country
I know high school students in Japan take English
But it’s like french people, we learn english but we arent familiar with it.
Why should they ?
Yep !
Maybe because English is crucial idk
I can assure nobody gave à crap about english classes
English is valuable as an international language
They are far from any english country
so it's taught in many non-English countries
So I want to understand how every character in OW speaks english very well like that
English is a language you hear anywhere
every hero has a plausible reason to speak English
Should i tell him ?
Go on
Well
I’m not going to learn arabic, I’m already focus on English.
But it’s not the topic
Yes ! Sorry
We’ve talked about the fact that what country we want to see
I'm hoping that Venture is Inuk, so we get some diversity in Canadian representation
So hum...Is D.Va legal ? Cause everytime i go on a reddit or discord linked to overwatch, i saw fanart of her but...It's scares that maybe people are drooling over a minor
She isn’t minor
(Brutal change of subject i know)
There’s no a single minor character except the animals
Ok so it's less scary
she was 19 in OW1
Hammond is 16 I think
Well i don't know she look like she's 15
But he’s not human so
Still not legal yet (just kidding)
The younger character is Illari (she’s 18)
the youngest heroes are
- Orisa (1)
- Echo (14)
- Hammond (16)
- Illari (18)
- Kiriko (21)
Yeah I meant Illari is the younger human
Moira mentionned to Echo that the doctor was working on a far more important subject that her so called "work of her life"
I suppose this is a voice line in game?
Moira is referring to Aurora
I can't wait for a non human character like...A mutant created in a laboratory, that would be fun
You know a failed experiment of Moira
Renember when Echo was strong ?
I mean
It can exist in the Overwatch universe, there are genetically modified animals, very advanced technology, a guy who controls gravity, guys who control mythical spirits
I think a Frankestein abomination like a homunculus could be cool
And can fit
.
What do you think ?
I don't think it would fit
and Reaper already fills the spot as "Moira's (failed) experiment"
Tbf, wouldn’t all here experiments be failed then?
She does call reaper on of [her] finest experiments
How Kiriko 21 yet trained with hanzo and gengi when both young but they are in their late 30s now
Pushing 40
Oversight by the writers
I think it would've made sense if Kiriko's mom trained Genji and Hanzo, but not with kiriko. If they just removed the part where she trained with Genji and Hanzo it would make much more sense
Kitsune magic
lol
that's the closest thing to an explanation we have
Ain’t no way
@analog delta what do you think of mercy x genji
Cuz she needed to be "relatable
orisa is like 2 months old
i think
iirc shes 1 year old
close enough ibr
echo is 14
Robots dont count ig
Robots and animals
Orisa and echo arent sentient so yeah
I do wonder, were the awakened omnics immidiatly like around idk 15 or sum to be able to choose or were they babies who decided to either foght or help
Cuz like what makes rama and zens age different then
I mean there’s no a single human minor
yh
what’s the world population count in ow2’s present day?
and how much of it has been wiped out by both omnic crises and whatever talon does?
i’m thinking the omnic crisis killed off maybe 3 billion?
Apparently the crisis killed off 1 billion within 2 years
That's a lot
The global scale of the crisis makes me wonder what made it go on for 2 years. How did it settle into a war of attrition when the omnics had the reach to hit major population centers and supply lines?
You could destroy all the highways and major infrastructure and a lot of cities would just implode
question is all of australia destroyed or is that just the outback when the omnium exploded
bc i swear there’s a map of sydney for the summer games and it looks very modern and not wastelandy
unrelated to my omnic crisis question: how many different plant species do you think lifeweaver is capable of inventing
like could he invent an entirely new kind of fruit
Yeah jist the putback
Only the outback. Australia's urban centers are all still around, it's one reason why Junkertown and the wastes are a sparsely-populated no-man's-land, most Australians haven't been directly affected by it all that much.
thank uuu
how many people has mercy bodied
like her bodycount
she probably killed a few people during the Storm Rising mission
no her body count
?
whats her body count
like I said, we don't know how many people she killed
probably not many - she is a field medic, but she would have to defend herself
as a last resort
that's a weird question
I don't think it matters
hi
What is that question??
Who cares about that
Who cares. Besides, it’s highly doubtful she even had time for simple pleasures since Angela seems the type to focus more on her work and goals than something trivial
Being a phenomenal doctor has its drawbacks after all, but that’s the decision she made
Genji did tap that tho
Would tracer be in her 30s now
Tracer is 28
Anyone know if there are any translations of that kiriko manga
So we all understand Ramattra is just an allegory for Malcom X right?
maybe not "just" but i guess if you squint they're somewhat similar?
i guess the first difference is that malcolm x wasn't a terrorist,
I'm not saying it as a negative thing and maybe not Malcom X exactly but he's clearly ment to be a Black revolutionary like they literally gave him dreadlocks
No but the government classifies him as one
ah yeah then i see that
I guess I just wish that they could be more open about his inherently black inspiration
none cause they arent real ong
Doctor_Six staring at the bullsh!t messages on lore-discussion for the 32318th time
what bullshit messages?
All of them
He has tons of inspiratiobs tho
He even seems to take very loose inspuration from Moses, yknow the whole taking his peolle to the promised land, herder staff, even his cloak
You can have multiple inspirations, orisa follows a centaur and african tribal warriors for example
Yeah but I'm saying that he is very heavily inspired and Is Cleary being used as an alogory for black revolutionaries that's the only point I'm trying to make about his character the fact that he has dreadlocks isn't the crux of my argument how he's treated in the story is
Well ngl
Revolutionaries are very common
Again even his story influence has tons of possible inspiration points
The whole reason he's a revolutionary is because his people (a race that was previously inslaved and treated as less then human by their oppressors) are as a result of said oppression dying in the street by the droves (because the race that where oppressing them still don't see them as equal for the most part) and to slove this problem he is fighting back with violence as opposed to other members of his people who believe in non-violence because they aren't getting shit done fast enough he's clearly ment to be a black revolutionary you'd have to be stupid to not see what's going on here
Again yes but this story has veen done more and even ALL THAT could also be based on Moses funnily enough. Even how he does it with the pharaohs curse, ties to egypt and ramattra saying theyre treated as slaves. Im just saying that there can be multiple inspirations
Oh ok that's fair
I personally think for inspiratiom he simply is based on a ton of revolutionaries
i swear on everyones lives in this server im not lying
excuse me guys, may someone give me nitro ? (its for my girl please dont let me down im tryna impress her)
Thats why he has multiple inspurations, a cloak amd a staff, Moses is known for that, dreadlocks, something seen in more black culture, robot, thats very obvious cuz we zeen tons of those
Ok but like the omnincs are a previously inslaved race that are being killed and treated differently because of their previous inslavement this is exactly how black people are treated in modern day America sure he has other inspirations but he takes the most from black ones
I know. But let me say this, if theyd be vocal bout the inspirations theyd get backlash no matter what
Ture
true
imagine saying the MAIN VILLAIN is based either on a balck revolutionary or an important part of the bible. both would get backlash especially in the states
i will say mei actually has use to overwatch for tracking rama down
his base is probs in antartica from the description and climate anomalies that have been happening
Seems like an inconvenient location even for a machine. It’s so cold there that a lot of machine parts need constant maintenance to keep them functional
Not to mention the lack of access to any ore or fuel deposits, all raw materials would need to be shipped in.
thats exactly why its there tho.
we know its VERY VERY COLD
The Taiga or Arctic tundra would make more sense, it’s not nearly as brutally cold and it’s not completely isolated from anything useful
The thing is that exactly round that time anomalies happened in antartica
Hmm. Maybe Blizzard didn’t do research
Well it did create if im c9rrect huge amounts of pollution and heat so its probs that they heat it all
Yeah, but if it’s been sitting abandoned for years since the crisis, the cold should have damaged a lot of important parts. And you’d need to ship in both metal and fuel to build anything
And cargo ships aren’t exactly inconspicuous
And look what we have in antartica
An abandoned cargo ship
Meep @keen summit
Yea she did
worst written hero by far imho. she feels like an self insert. age is all wrong, timeline dont add up. she has magic
Grew up and trained as kids with hazo and genjinor are 30 smth and 40 smth I think
shes insanely badly written but tried to be like relatable ig? which is logical cuz if u add some anime tropes to the first buyable hero itll be more populair than say an australian muscular woman or a black cyborg canadian
Jq isn't that good of a character but I like her background
she has the thing dva and arguably mei also have, their characters just change
dva in cinematic is a hardworking young woman who cares alot about others and feels alot of responsibility, shes even a bit of a mechanic working on her own mech at the end. in the comics shes much the same, she has a sense of duty.
dva in game: EEEEEEEEEEEEEW cringggeeeeeeee, NERF THIS! etc
i also never count bought voicelines to good or bad writing
I don't take a lot of the gameplay into account for writing cause things change but I gotta agree
Least they can't ever screw up my fave character bastion tho
Literally just beeps and boops for voice lines
gameplay is part of it. but imho one of the best things is when they make their gameplay fit their personality
Yea, that's one of the reasons junkrat has always been a favorite for people aside from bombs
mauga in the kit concept fits his can get carried away, massacres people but thinks ahead style. ramattra fits his calm demeanor hiding immense rage that he lets out, jq fits that shes just overwhelm your opponents etc
welllllllllllll only more winton content
Ik Hammond is new but that's about it
actually
technically we do have some in declassified probs
but winston lore is already VERY well established
Wdym?
things like tracer comic, pve etc all featured winston as an important character
winston is the main character of ow
Yea, the fact his ult goes with the lore behind his glasses is really cool
Ah right
I never read any of the comics
eh most imho arent that great
Ah
best reads imho are ramattra mini novel, i liked the new bastion mini novel
I'll check em out
Gotcha also Ik we learned more about how Australia came to be how it is but what's with road hog
Never understood him that well
Or at all
well we dont know THAT much but hes one of the people who attacked the omnium
afterwards he well became a junker.
Gotcha
Oh did we ever find that omnium in Antarctica?
Or is that still a TBD kinda thing
Oh, I thought it was the whole reason mei was stationed out in nowheresvill
no she was stationed there for climate change research
ecology
funnily enough what anubis used to do
ill give u a quick rundown. anubis is an god program, there were 4 big ones in different parts of the world for different purposes. anubis was in egypt and was the god program of ecology. it deemed humanity and the future of earth not being able to coexist so decided to wipe out humanity. thats how the omnic crisis started
Jeez I've missed a lot of lore apparently
if you want basic rundown watch overwatch genesis
genesis was a big bomb
declassified too but also just reshelled alot of stuff
declassified is btw an in universe history book, so it for example purposfully got some stuff wrong like for example soldier 76 and reaper being dead
Right
Give me a day or so of research and learning up on this stuff and we can have a legit combo instead of me picking your brain
for now if u want to learn about the crisis watch overwatch genesis
Got it I'll go ahead and do that
declassified is best used to bolster your already existing knowledge imho
cuz it basically gives you a lens to what the world knows aswell
as the earlier example with reaper and soldier 76 for example
you never hear bout for example sombra or widow, only bout the most well known talon member who is doom
That would make sense if they're operating like black watch used to
Operating in secret for the most part
yeah
as most evil orgs do
vishkar is something i wanna know more of
like sanjay aswell
I know very little about vishkar and nothing about sanjay
But yea give me a day or 2 and we can have a real talk bout the lore
welllll vishkar is just construction company with alterior motives. if its money power of geniunely wantign to create a perfect world is unknown
I'm betting on power and money
sanjay is part of talon council, my theory is that he actually believes in a perfect world too but much like doom and moira believes it wont come without cost
thing is wanting perfection has been shown with lw etc to be as bad
we already have money in the council too
so honestly im kinda leaning towards perfection for atleast sanjay
We'll have to wait and find out
why is there pc na and eu but console have mixed channel server?
we need eu console channel-
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is it true that roadhog survived a point blank nuke
Did the Devs Remove the Flirting Voice lines between genji and Mercy?
No more than any of the Australian Rebels/Junkers when the omnium blew up
Hog doesn't seem to have too much visible scarring or burns. Though he's had a lot of Radiation exposure
The Hogdregen helps with that
No, I’d say to compare it would be more like if he lived nearby Chernobyl when it exploded
Btw Moira thought it was petrol for some reason but imo it’s iodine since it’s yellow and iodine actually helps with radiation exposure
Oh yea Iodine should definitely be in Hogdregen even if not the only ingredient.
I love that voiceline conversation
I feel like moira should’ve known that
id like to think with PVE, every Talon Member would slowly Betray Doomfist, like Widowmaker wakes up, or Sombra Betrays talon (yk cuz shes rly only using their resources), Reaper stops being Emo
cuz were gonna play as every hero at least once right?
Not exactly a nuke
There could always be a mission like maugas recent animated short
I hate to break it to you, its lean
Is doomfist a bad person? He’s like thanos no? Positive motive with questionable methods.
Lean is purple
Yes
It has to be piss then
Depens on your morals
Who has the fattest cheeks in lore
Hammond obviously, he’s a hamster so he can store a lot of food in his cheeks
As an ashe man can confirm I vote ashe
no - not all heroes will be featured in Story Missions
well thats too bad cuz all my favs are in talon
there may be Talon missions in the future
I think someone said there will be talon missions
Maybe as event missions like underworld??
maybe
That would be so cool, I hope we get a new event mission next season
Mauga in pve? 👀
I’d love to see that
i NEED mauga in a cutscene idc for what i need him
i really want the next Missions, the Nepal one looks so exciting
I think we'll see him without any doubt
I need friends lol all mine basically ignore me now
ASHEEE
@mortal saddle @cloud moat add me on disc i need to dm u
!lfg
Very likely cuz mauga already knows bap is at gibraltar
Does anyone Know why Reaper became so Pale?
Like he was Brown skinned as gabriel and now hes like an Olive White
You can see part of his arm
Not dead but decaying
Oh you mean this part? Reaper was a hero concept before overwatch was even a thing so most likely they came up with him being Mexican after this design was already created and they forgot to change it or something
Didn’t

Resurrection isn’t possible
However if someone has like mortal wounds it is possible to save them with cybernetics in Genjis case or with the solution moira used to upgrade Gabriel (but a higher dose)
Reaper talking about his death is more like the death of his previous identity because he let people believe he died there in Switzerland
Does genji and hanzo have actual magical dragon powers or are they future tech?
And why does kiriko's mother have hanzo's sword
and mercy took that personally
why is Almost every character in the game a Criminal 💀

hold on in PvE database are the new writers actually trying to Erase Gency 😭
man i wish the mode wasn't dead, i just wanna chill and try and get legendary done
she cant do it either, rez isnt canon its just a burst of heal in the lore
besides even if it was id say she would consider it unethical
i just want more missions
That or Moira’s experiments slowly turned him pale
We’re getting some more hopefully sooner rather than later this year, I’m also hoping for archives return
They’d fit perfectly in the event missions tab
No cuz we see part of his face in one of his sprays and it’s normal Color
Reapers design is really old and haven’t changed much since it was created so I think they just forgot to change that
Honestly surprising they didn't put the diablo crossover mission in. Should make it a hub for PvE game modes, instead of arcade.
Same with the Kings Row mission, they should of just kept it around
Yeah agreed, it’s the perfect spot for them
i'd be happy with just 1 event mission a season, and rotate daily between them, the archive missions, the modifiers etc
That would be a good idea, or just make it so that some are always there like archives
It's why I was looking forward to the hero missions. Literally a random generator:
- Pick map
- Pick enemy type
- Pick heroes
- Pick objective type
Look I understand it takes time and effort to ensure AI pathing etc works on maps.
But the modes they made for hero missions literally seemed to be almost procedually generated
yea ik, im really looking forward to Nepal mission with Zen and genji
with Widow and Sombra
Widow: suppressed emotions
Also widow:
That’s in suravasa
oh god i thought it was an Extension of Nepal sanctuary
Nope, I believe you can even find that place teased on the map
im pretty sure it was the Ramattra and Mondatta cutscene that fooled me into believing it was the sanctuary
Besides it makes sense for zen to be in suravasa because he went on a pilgrimage like Aurora so it makes sense for him to be in suravasa
We know zen left shambali
istg i hope the ending of the story is wortht he money
that's subjective
Doubt
she could prob feel negative emotions much easier
since its easier to make someone Angry
I already consider the story missions worth the money
No, the whole point of this was so she doesn’t feel remorse
and that statement doesnt make her feel remorseful, either way we saw her at Gerards grave so she must feel some level of Remorse
Wasn’t it stated somewhere that she didn’t feel anything when visiting
from what ive seen in the Trailer, we are getting Paris, Ilios, Busan, route 66
those were for Hero Missions
Tbh it would make sense if whatever moira did to her to suppress her emotions is slowly losing effect because I think in ow2 interactions she shows emotions pretty often
thats why i feel like if it were to fully wear off she would betray talon
all the characters are playable, has Blizzard ever killed off a Playable character in their games?
she's still responsible for the murder of a lot of people
Yeah she has nowhere to go and also she likes what she does
That's very possible due to the team comp.
1 tank, two dps, one support
that's why she went back to Talon - she couldn't go anywhere else
technically 2 tanks are part of Talon
actually 3
if u count Ramattra
note the end of the Storm rising mission
I don’t think talon trusts ram enough to take him on talon missions
out of all talon members, whos most likely to betray the Group
Sombra
Sombra, Mauga, Max
Sombra, it makes sense.
technically she already has
by sabotaging the Volskaya mission
but I would also argue she isn't loyal to Talon, and is just using them for her own goals
Max kinda when he gave up dooms location when he was threatened
if u think about it, blackmail is better than killing
Why did they want to kill her btw
because she wasn't cooperating with Talon
anyone here wanna do legendary missions xD
Tbh if there was a similar situation where mauga had a different goal than talon he’d most likely betray them too
Reaper and Widow and Moira are all just using Talon for their resources
Moira’s goal align with Akande’s so
But she does seem independent
I would say Widow and to an extent Reaper are being used, more than them using Talon
And of course Sigma is 100% being used, almost no question about it
Reaper just wants revenge on overwatch I guess
I think he wants to kill Jack
he wants to kill everyone
He was hunting Ana too
Who is everyone
yes
Alright guys we need more Hammond lore
I don’t think so
I think we’ll learn more about him in Heroes Ascendant
Yeah I’d hope so him and junkerqueen
2 of my favorite tanks
But I doubt we’ll see them in PvE
I feel like we’ll only focus on the new Overwatch agents
The PvE is focus on the main story
God damn it
And there are some characters like the junkers who aren’t in the main story
roadhog has some lines that imply there might be a junker themed mission at some point
Hammond boss fight lol
I’d hope to see other storylines that aren’t just the Overwatch agents like they can get help from Hanzo or some bs
Because Zen has been taken away and is probably being shown doom fist only fans
Please don’t let sym have any love in Overwatch PVE
What?
it absolutely is his goal
No I think not
It’s Ramattra
No it’s about Reaper
But you’re right anyway
Ram doesn’t want to kill all humans
Same for Reaper
Me either but I know that he doesn’t want to kill everyone
Long before time had a name
There was a young 2016 me I was happy then that monster
Rain hellfire upon all my games
I'm watching all of the cinematics and the lore is so goodaughh
Too bad the game gives me aids 💔
So real tbh, I love all the og ones but the Kiriko cinematic is probably my fav
I also love the JQ one because she's hot asl
Gives me a boener
I cried the first time I saw it
I knowww i love ganymede
Hes my favorite robot with ptsd
But it's unfair that we don't have more bob in the cinematics, one isn't enough
we need a bob origin
both
Ana slideshow origin
Frrrr hes a cutie pieeeeee
We need some sigma cinematics bro
arent the next set of missions about talon?
Probably not
all we know is Talon is targetting Zenyatta for unknown reasons
I mean talon will be present but i dont think it will be from talon’s perspective
There is also that midtown mission coming
It might be a Talon mission first in India, than back to Null Sector
Possibly in New York
What the third mission might be is unclear
It all really depends on what Talon is doing under Null Sector’s invasion
Well its vs talonz we saw a scene at a blizzcon of widow grappeling away in suravasa with special animations
I really dont know why zen got targeted tho, mondatta made sense cuz rama saw him as an obstacle but zen?
Zen isnt important enough to the greater world and rama actually cares bout him
does disney still exist in the year of ow2
If they did in any way, do you honestly think this game would still be alive right now?
Disney gets off on suing and shutting down anyone who uses anything with their brand
Hence, this is why Blizzard World exists
No one talks about how mei invented a Torture Device
??
Cuz its cold? My guy like tons of overwatch weapons are able to torture
her gun bro
im aware, however Most of the Weapon roster can kill you instantly
with Moira and Meis Weapons you are experiencing a Slow and Painful death
Winston
And so can mei
i was just Mainly pointing out ones fromthe top of my head
Ashe dynamite mauga incindiery everything from torb
frostbite my man, its like Knives stabbing you all at once
She CAN also do ucicle to the head
those kill you a lot Quicker
primary fire is what im talking about
i know
meanwhile illari who legit burns your skin
i wonder how its even an Ethical way to Kill soldiers
moira legit just Sucks your soul out slowly
but thats moira
like
ethical and moira
mei also hasnt ever used it on living people, omnics dont get frostbite from what we know soooo
Ana in the Comic knew that Bodyshots will cause them to Experience Pain, so she Headshots them in order for them to not experience pain
i mean either way Her Sniper was So OP so either way Instant death
like its a Kinamura
but again, mei never used it against people
prob cuz she hasnt foughten people yet
mei mainly used her weapon for well, climbing and even in battle didnt use it much v omnics
id like to see how talon troopers feel after being Blizzard on
again tho, winston
id say dont think bout it too much
mei would probs in lore like "lower the amount of cold to just slow them down"
i dont even think theres a temperature level on there 💀
Shes a scientist with a group of various scientist
in pve i really wanna see New Overwatch's Reaction to the Founders actually being alive
You mean soldier and reaper?
specifically Jack and Ana
They do know they’re alive, Cassidy said “jack morrison is off chasing ghosts” and he also met with ana in new blood comic
Im pretty sure he Meant that hes Dead
cuz i would also Say That about someone i knew was allegedly dead
Idk maybe, but I’m pretty sure in mercy’s short story “Valkyrie” she met with soldier and ana too
was it before or after the fall of Overwatch
After
then whys no one mentioned them at all 😭
It was after their “deaths”
Not sure, hopefully it’s talked about more in the next batch, I’d love to see a reunion with them all eventually
i need the Zen and Genji vs Widow and Sombra mission already
Yeah I can’t wait for that
i have a feeling its Every 3 seasons they release a new Batch
i hope its season 9
I paid good money for that Invasion pack
I think it should be every season/ every other season at some point, this next wave is just taking a while since they wanna get feedback and perfect the pve packs
with Blizzard CEO gone their Shackles must have been erased right?
I really hope so
thing is at Blizzcon we saw that the Mission right after Gothenburg is Done
clearly with the Visuals
so i wonder what the Next mission after that one is
Apparently it’s Suravasa, circuit Royale and midtown
omg i cant wait for Circuit Royale
Same, hopefully we get more max lore
witht the Skill trees, shouldnt they have just GIven us what they have Done?
like they have Genji being able to Throw out Slices of his Dragon
Mercys Instant and Mass rez
I do wish we got them cos they could be fun for the main missions, they were only gonna be used for hero missions tho
Mei instant freeze with ice block
Yeah there were so many cool abilities shown that we might just not get
Or the cool ass Rein 360 shatter
That was so so cool
there was an animation with Widow being able to Grapple someone and kick them
Echo throwing out her wings like Frisbees and it bouncing off of targets
Maybe that could still come in the form of a widow boss fight, but that’s very wishful thinking
cassidy already knows
he met ana
in new blood
Sigma lifting the Enviornment around him and throwing it
like bruh there was a lot that was done that they couldve used
oh well
pulse bomb chain reaction couldve been lit
no use fretting over things that are gone
Or the Mercys Staff being able to shoot bombs
... illari
they coulda just used what They had
what couldve been cool was Whenever Moiras Orbs bounce, they multiply into smaller Orbs
moira should get ejected off the face of the earth
The thing is, it sounds like that they didn't have a lot. What we saw in the previews were very much just proof of concepts, the actual systems behind them had yet to been created
at least as of the halloween mode, we know they have the tech in the engine to support ability/weapon upgrades
Be cool if they'd just give us access to all of this via the workshop
workshop in general could use updates
like for example allowoing us to change ROF, falloff, switch abilities etc. tons could be done to give us more freedom and ease of use
what id think would be a Cool gamemode is Classic Mode, which is bring back Every ability from 2016, 6v6
why are the people fighting in the game? ik why overwatch exists in the lore but if overwatch is one side of the game than who is the other side? and why do both sides have robots if one is overwatch and one is fighting for the omnics?
pvp isn’t canon
no way
Sometimes in pvp you act out the scene that haven’t even happened like
In junkertown they didn’t even get past the gate but in the game you deliver the payload all the way to the queen
also overwatch is not fighting "against" the omnics
yeah theyre fighting null sector but theyre not anti omnic
huh? then why does it exist?
currently theyre fighting to take down null sector. maybe talon too idk
but null sector is not All omnics
its just one guy and his minions that he built
most omnics are not affiliated with null sector
i thought this series' entire plot was about the omnics rebelling and like some junk city
The actual overall plot is how Overwatch is reactivating against the Petras Act in order to fight for humanity once again
Ramattra’s civil war is just one major fight that they happen to be fighting atm
nah
junkertown is rather irrelevant actually
why is there a literal hamster and ape on overwatch
because they did animal experiments on the moon
but why would you get a hamster if its in a robot that does the job
and what the hell were they doing to them
and youre willing to tell me that a hamster knows war tactics?
why would it know war tactics?
because its fighting in a war
what war?
idk man whatever overwatch is fighting for
Winston is the new leader of Overwatch
wdym gray
i guess whatever he is because he does not look human colored
also im colorblind
he looks human coloured to me
ah, to me he looks very gray
were you maybe seeing his toasted skin? where he's covered in soot
perfect, thanks
no, i meant classic skin. it makes sense that that is ash from his bombs
me looking for overwatch characters with personality or story beyond one event/cliche (there are none)
what
that's just not true
name one character with a deep personality
ur the one thats just not Digging in
Ana, Sombra, reaper, a lot of characters have Depth
isnt she just "asian gamer girl"?
shes Very young and has to Carry a Large responsibility of Protecting the entire country of Korea
she has weight on her shoulders
if you saw Shooting stars you would know
okay, i can agree with that
she also has a lot of Pride and doesnt Ask for help
she's a former pro-gamer forced to fight for her country who puts on a public persona for her audience but is actually fiercely protective of her country and would sacrifice herself to save people
blizzard actually wrote a character once
Yeah there’s a lot of stuff like comics, short stories, cinematics that u should check out since their whole personality isn’t shown from just in game
Sombra had to go into a life of Crime and joined with the wrong group of people when she was young
Don’t forget bastion
apparently not i legit couldnt draw anything outside of a stereotype or one trait from the game/a few shorts
they seem like shallow characters if all you see is the game
but the lore gives them depth
Interactions already gives them some depth
Not counting the missions of course
how did you think i found out Sombra has a soft side
the one time i noticed that was retconned and it was mercy talking to reaper
another note: reaper isnt Emo, hes actually experiencing pain
that wasn't retconned
blame moira for that
Technically none of the interactions are canon
This is just what would happen if they interacted
could have been mercy, give her some depth
she has depth without being involved in Reaper's creation
Moira wants the Best for Humanity by making them as Strong as Possible, but her Methods are too Controversial and Unethical, so she was Silenced which made her more and more Psycho
she kinda just exists and wants to heal people
Basically the means aren’t meeting the ends
Mercy has strong moral objections to her inventions being used to harm (like with Ana's rifle)
shes also a Pacifist
she's not a pacifist
well through her dialogue it seems like it
she just objects to the weaponization of nanobiotics
she literally has said "must violence always must be the solution?"
this went from a joke to a massive debate
its also cuz u spouted the statement that no one has depth
There’s literally a zen interaction with soldier that goes
S:these days, pacifism is foolish
Z:what makes you think I am a pacifist?
S:you sure talk like one
Z:perhaps it is assumptions that are foolish
i legit made a spongebob joke with the characters not having much personality/backstory and now theres like four people talking
like I said
serious discussion channel
it's quiet here until people have something to talk about
it was a joke, and i know that obviously some have depth because its a story that needs characters. what i was saying is that most dont have much, and thats not very hard to dispute. for example, what is tracers personality? torb? winston? theyre like elsa from frozen; there IS a personality, but its not very deep or well-defined
ill never cope with the fact that Tracers Age is Relative
What
her Chronal accelerator
I thought it just made her LOOK young
shes constantly using it
Goddamn
so it would mean
her age stays the same
cuz shes always going Forward and Backward
Oh tracer ages basically normally I’m pretty sure
i dont think overwatch characters age do they?
has her being a lesbian ever affected the story or herself much/at all?
they all aged 2 years between OW1 and OW2
Yeah it can be seen from the time gap between ow1 and 2
Sojourn turns 52 in a few days lmao
Other than the fact she has a gf, Emily, not really
how would it affect the story?
no she just happens to be lesbian
idk, maybe shes in love with an enemy character?
Tracer's girlfriend has as much impact on the story as Tobjorn's wife
I KNEW IT
Hell, Pharah is too, just doesn’t have a known love interest
wow, another reason i dont like torb
i hope emily makes an appearence in the story
She has an implied crush on mercy
istg if they try to sabotage Gency for Pharmercy ill never forgive the new writer
No
Same, I was hoping she’d show up in underworld, but at least we got iggy instead
like Sharing Chocolates? writing letters to each other? mercy says shes seeing someone?
Mercy and pharah have a pretty big age gap
Eh, kinda
well would u date someone when you knew them when they were a child
Mercy was a child then too
well she didnt look like it

shes part of OG overwatch so how would this-
there's 9 years between my brother and his wife
she's not a part of OG Overwatch
she joined 10 years after the crisis ended
That’s also kind of a gap
I'm just pointing out that it's not unusual for couples to have a few years between them
well mercy and pharah dont have chemistry
TRUE
so 5 years between Mercy and Pharah isn't really an argument
gency better
the only reason its shipped cuz they have Synergy in a teamcomp
the lack of chemistry is a better argument
yall they both shared the same oxygen
I am a Pharmercy DENIER
not in game tho, I’m a Pharah main.
they still have more than Hanzo and Cassidy
Exactly
hanzo x cassidy is something ill never forgive this community for
FUCK HANZO x CASS
WE DONT LIKE IT
they've never even met
EXACTLY
What other ships does the community have that don’t make sense
yall seen the image with the OGs
who is the Guy next to reaper
in a mohawk
and can he be a new hero pls
Emre Sarioglu
pls dont tell me hes dead

he was the first person recruited to Overwatch after the omnic crisis
we don't know where he is now
there's a theory that he might be one of the people seen on the Talon council in Masquerade
SIGMA LORE ON TOP BTW
I don't know how they could have a boss fight with Doomfist that makes him seem like enough of a threat
I’m of the opinion that we’ll get an opposite side to the missions where he play AS talon members
aside from just giving him a lot of hitpoints
just make him deal more dmg
That would be better than just “fight these people”
so we know Suravasa and Circut royale is done so can they just- give us the next batch soon
love how in Blizzcon they Barely mentioned pve
Because they’re ashamed they had to cancel the full thing
they just said we cant tell you yet, but its gonna be good
NOW WHERE HAVE WE HEARD THAT BEFORE
Wonder what the third one will be
Busan Question mark
they will do extensions so like
if they could find a way to connect All 3 busan Maps and make us go through a long line that would be cool
some open world stuff
yk they couldve just given us 3 talents minimum for every hero
i want at least one redemption arc ( i dont want sombra or reaper to die)
If you could have ONE character die, who would it be and why?
For me it’d be rein
Because he’s trying to protect everyone
Maximilien
hmmm
its actually a hard question
Gothenburg was supposed to be a 2CP map, but that mode got retired
I was thinking more on the playable side
I don't want any playable heroes to die
cuz i want a betrayal arc for some talon agents
well other games have done it
But if it had to happen
Who would it be
And why
other games have done a lot of things
Honkai impact got ppl Traumatized
doesn't mean Overwatch should
well has blizzard ever killed off a character thats playable
It’s a hypothetical
If it WERE to happen
Not saying it should nor it will
Just who would make the most sense?
It’s doubtful Overwatch will kill off a playable hero
It just wouldn’t make sense as they don’t make playable heroes if the character is dead
So if they did kill somebody in Story, they’d either be contradicting this or they’d have to remove the hero from roster
Neither of which is a good move
the only scenario in which it would probably happen is if the VA dies which is not something to be excited about
I don’t see them killing a character bc of the VA
They’d probably just get replaced unfortunately
Didn’t Soldier’s VA die a couple years ago?
I don't see a hero getting killed off happening any time soon, but eventually if the story is drip fed long enough, it might happen
Torbjorn french VA died too
i know it's not likely, i was just stating the most likely scenario in which it'd happen imo
moira
or rein
rein going down in a blaze of glory, akin to his mentor
and moira dying bc she couldnt master atrophy in time, and her self experiments proves lethal too soon
Rein
I would imagine they would probably just keep their voicelines for the character to immortalize them, no?
Like I doubt they would remove a hero from lore for that reason
I doubt they would record all the voice lines again
Probably just hire a new actor with a similar voice for the new ones
Unless it’s a relatively new hero maybe
Hey guys I got a question for you who is your favorite character in the lore for me it will have to be reaper
its close between hanzo and genji
I love both the shimada bros equally
.
yooo i have a dps character idea would anyone be interested in hearing it
I like lifeweaver a normal amount
overwatch ain't getting to thata point of traumatizing pretty sure
doomfist
i think that theoretical hero design ideas do not belong in #lore-discussion lol
my bad is there somewhere else i can post this
What’s this about a secret organization that’s more dangerous than Talon
Not sure what they are talking about
probs someone not from talon, just doesnt make sense in their themes. most likely would be echo imho but not killed more like she sacrifices herself
theyre talking nonsense, probs saw ascendent cover and made a headcanon
and why the fuck would reaper and widow join overwatch
its a person who truely dont get the lore and story or just dont understand writing
im really interested in learning about the lore of overwatch in more depth its so interesting and fun, im still pretty new to the game so would anone be interested in going over it brefily or is it far too complex by now?
It's not too complex, I'd start by looking up the comics and reading those if you want to know the lore better, I havent read them in years so I don't remember the lore super accurately just kinda the main points
if you would mind could you dm them to me, only if your bothered
thxx!
you can find links to all the lore in the pins on this channel
Rein
undisputably
The conspiracy that Sombra uncovered. The reason Sombra went to ground, disappeared and reappeared with a new alias.
whats their deal anyway
Idk what would have to happen to convince widow and reaper to join overwatch and overwatch accepting them
is the part abt reaper and widow joing ow speculation
bc of it is then its not happening'
widow maybe if she got the redemption arc that everyone wants her to get
REAPER is crazy though
I could see Reaper going with Ana and 76 tho
i couldnt. he wants them dead
I feel like his relations with Ana are still better than with Jack
Since he had no beef with Ana
And Ana had a similar fate (also being abandoned by her colleagues) so I think he sympathises with her

they expect me to believe they grew up together
If its the fox spirit-
probably
How old was Hanzo and Genji when they stopped talking?
I actually don’t know
Does anyone ever wonder why everyone just randomly got new outfits
Genji was "killed" around 12 years ago
timeskip
Kiriko would've been 9 at that time
What 😭
or there's some explanation of why she is 21 when she should be 24 at minimum
I'm not that in touch with the lore
She looked around 7 when the shimada brothers looked like they were in their mid teens
art is subjective
but yes
I think it's unlikely to be a mistake, since there have been other mistakes with ages (Sojourn's age, for example) which have been fixed
so why not fix this one?
that tells me that the error is intentional and there is an explanation for it... we just don't have the explanation
Overwatch has some booty lore
If she were younger or older it would make even less sense
Cuz how would a 4 year old train
some children start kendo training as young as 3 years old
And kiriko would be too old for timeline reasons
particularly in traditional Japanese families
Theyre a little too deep in the future to be traditional
some traditions have persisted for centuries? maybe a little adjusted here and there but still
they're the shrine keepers for a fox deity
traditions don't die just because it's the future
it's only like 50 yrs into the future too
traditions aren't the same thing as trends
ow lore is good 
but they need to expand on heros
I wanna know more about lucios dad and how his tech got stole by sym's dad 
Sym's dad?
Lucio's dad worked for Vishkar, and made the sonic tech for them
Lucio says it's stolen, but he doesn't really understand how intellectual property rights work
I thought they stole it omfg
LMFAOO omfg
Sanjay is Symmetra's boss, not her dad
Holy shit
So did LW attend Vishkar or was it unrelated schooling? their voicelines about being dormmates
yes he was part of Vishkar's academy
Just learned they released a manga with Kiriko’s backstory
Is that true???
Yeah I don’t know where to buy it besides Amazon though
