#lore-discussion

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steady cargo
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Okay !

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Cause well that was the main reason i was waiting for Overwatch 2

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Any new héro soon ?

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I heard about a dude using à drill for season 10

peak escarp
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we just got Mauga, so the next hero (a Canadian nonbinary Damage hero named Venture) won't come until season 10

steady cargo
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But...We already have a Canadian

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I mean we need more french

peak escarp
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we also have 3 Japanese and 3 Australians and 4 Americans

twilit patrol
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Why would we need more French characters

steady cargo
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Yeah but nobody like americans and everyone love japaneses

And australians are funny

steady cargo
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Best healthcare system of the entire world

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Mercy should have been french

twilit patrol
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Are u french?

peak escarp
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yeah but you're French

steady cargo
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Yes

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Oui les gars

peak escarp
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Canada has good healthcare without being French

twilit patrol
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Because I can see you’re not familiar with english

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twilit patrol
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Personnally I want a Luxembourgish character

peak escarp
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technically we took it from Britain

steady cargo
peak escarp
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you're doing pretty good

twilit patrol
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Yes don’t worry

steady cargo
twilit patrol
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I’m curious to see how Luxembourg is in OW

steady cargo
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Baptiste is...Well he have a french name

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Never been there

twilit patrol
twilit patrol
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Even if it’s small

peak escarp
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Baptiste is from Haiti, which is a former French colony

steady cargo
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I have been...In Irland, England, Maroc, Belgique, Espagne...

peak escarp
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so he speaks English, French and Haitian Creole

steady cargo
peak escarp
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if Pharah went to school in Canada, she would know basic French too

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Sojourn would too

steady cargo
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Yes but sadly she didn't

twilit patrol
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I don’t like the fact that everyone in OW is speaking english like their natives languages

peak escarp
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we don't know where she went to school

steady cargo
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Sojourn should be abble to speak french actually

twilit patrol
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That’s something I don’t understand

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Maybe the system evolved in OW idk

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twilit patrol
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But basically, Korean people doesn’t speak english and D.va is speaking english perfectly?

peak escarp
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don't Koreans take English in high school?

steady cargo
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Imagine if 12 person speaking different language were in the same room

twilit patrol
steady cargo
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It would be impossible to deal with

twilit patrol
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I don’t know if they study English in their country

peak escarp
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I know high school students in Japan take English

twilit patrol
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But it’s like french people, we learn english but we arent familiar with it.

steady cargo
twilit patrol
steady cargo
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I can assure nobody gave à crap about english classes

peak escarp
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English is valuable as an international language

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peak escarp
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so it's taught in many non-English countries

twilit patrol
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So I want to understand how every character in OW speaks english very well like that

twilit patrol
peak escarp
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every hero has a plausible reason to speak English

steady cargo
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Should i tell him ?

twilit patrol
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Go on

steady cargo
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We hear more arabic than english in France

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So english is like a myth

twilit patrol
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Well

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I’m not going to learn arabic, I’m already focus on English.

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But it’s not the topic

steady cargo
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Yes ! Sorry

twilit patrol
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We’ve talked about the fact that what country we want to see

peak escarp
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I'm hoping that Venture is Inuk, so we get some diversity in Canadian representation

steady cargo
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So hum...Is D.Va legal ? Cause everytime i go on a reddit or discord linked to overwatch, i saw fanart of her but...It's scares that maybe people are drooling over a minor

twilit patrol
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She isn’t minor

steady cargo
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(Brutal change of subject i know)

peak escarp
twilit patrol
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There’s no a single minor character except the animals

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peak escarp
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she was 19 in OW1

twilit patrol
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Hammond is 16 I think

steady cargo
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Well i don't know she look like she's 15

twilit patrol
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But he’s not human so

steady cargo
twilit patrol
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The younger character is Illari (she’s 18)

steady cargo
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She look like she's 22

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But yeah...

peak escarp
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the youngest heroes are

  • Orisa (1)
  • Echo (14)
  • Hammond (16)
  • Illari (18)
  • Kiriko (21)
twilit patrol
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Yeah I meant Illari is the younger human

steady cargo
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Moira mentionned to Echo that the doctor was working on a far more important subject that her so called "work of her life"

twilit patrol
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I suppose this is a voice line in game?

peak escarp
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Moira is referring to Aurora

steady cargo
steady cargo
twilit patrol
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Perhaps

steady cargo
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I mean

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It can exist in the Overwatch universe, there are genetically modified animals, very advanced technology, a guy who controls gravity, guys who control mythical spirits

I think a Frankestein abomination like a homunculus could be cool

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And can fit

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What do you think ?

peak escarp
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I don't think it would fit

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and Reaper already fills the spot as "Moira's (failed) experiment"

short holly
acoustic bramble
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Pushing 40

short holly
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Oversight by the writers

jagged mortar
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I think it would've made sense if Kiriko's mom trained Genji and Hanzo, but not with kiriko. If they just removed the part where she trained with Genji and Hanzo it would make much more sense

jagged mortar
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lol

peak escarp
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that's the closest thing to an explanation we have

empty echo
cloud smelt
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@analog delta what do you think of mercy x genji

vocal cairn
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i think

rare trail
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iirc shes 1 year old

vocal cairn
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close enough ibr

rare trail
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echo is 14

keen summit
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Robots dont count ig

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Robots and animals

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Orisa and echo arent sentient so yeah

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I do wonder, were the awakened omnics immidiatly like around idk 15 or sum to be able to choose or were they babies who decided to either foght or help

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Cuz like what makes rama and zens age different then

twilit patrol
acoustic ice
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what’s the world population count in ow2’s present day?

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and how much of it has been wiped out by both omnic crises and whatever talon does?

twilit patrol
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Good question

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I'd say 10 billions

acoustic ice
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i’m thinking the omnic crisis killed off maybe 3 billion?

mellow stratus
twilit patrol
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That's a lot

muted kite
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The global scale of the crisis makes me wonder what made it go on for 2 years. How did it settle into a war of attrition when the omnics had the reach to hit major population centers and supply lines?

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You could destroy all the highways and major infrastructure and a lot of cities would just implode

digital linden
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question is all of australia destroyed or is that just the outback when the omnium exploded

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bc i swear there’s a map of sydney for the summer games and it looks very modern and not wastelandy

acoustic ice
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unrelated to my omnic crisis question: how many different plant species do you think lifeweaver is capable of inventing

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like could he invent an entirely new kind of fruit

muted kite
digital linden
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thank uuu

arctic geode
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how many people has mercy bodied

arctic geode
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like her bodycount

acoustic bramble
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Genji I say

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If you count his robotic prosthetics

peak escarp
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she probably killed a few people during the Storm Rising mission

arctic geode
peak escarp
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?

arctic geode
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whats her body count

peak escarp
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like I said, we don't know how many people she killed

arctic geode
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oh

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whats estimate

peak escarp
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probably not many - she is a field medic, but she would have to defend herself

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as a last resort

arctic geode
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oh yeah that makes sense

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so how many people she slept with?

peak escarp
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no idea

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why?

arctic geode
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my friend ask

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@edgy drum

peak escarp
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that's a weird question

arctic geode
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yeah

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but hes too shy to answer

peak escarp
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I don't think it matters

arctic geode
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ok

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@edgy drum @languid depot it doesnt matter

slow shadow
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hi

mellow stratus
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Who cares about that

past copper
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Who cares. Besides, it’s highly doubtful she even had time for simple pleasures since Angela seems the type to focus more on her work and goals than something trivial

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Being a phenomenal doctor has its drawbacks after all, but that’s the decision she made

stuck stump
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Would tracer be in her 30s now

peak escarp
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Tracer is 28

merry mason
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Anyone know if there are any translations of that kiriko manga

worthy rose
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So we all understand Ramattra is just an allegory for Malcom X right?

merry mason
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I think that’s kind of reductive to Malcolm x

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And ram too tbh

hushed jetty
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maybe not "just" but i guess if you squint they're somewhat similar?

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i guess the first difference is that malcolm x wasn't a terrorist,

worthy rose
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I'm not saying it as a negative thing and maybe not Malcom X exactly but he's clearly ment to be a Black revolutionary like they literally gave him dreadlocks

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No but the government classifies him as one

worthy rose
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I guess I just wish that they could be more open about his inherently black inspiration

sharp trench
vapid tusk
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Doctor_Six staring at the bullsh!t messages on lore-discussion for the 32318th time

peak escarp
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what bullshit messages?

worn latch
keen summit
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He even seems to take very loose inspuration from Moses, yknow the whole taking his peolle to the promised land, herder staff, even his cloak

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You can have multiple inspirations, orisa follows a centaur and african tribal warriors for example

worthy rose
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Yeah but I'm saying that he is very heavily inspired and Is Cleary being used as an alogory for black revolutionaries that's the only point I'm trying to make about his character the fact that he has dreadlocks isn't the crux of my argument how he's treated in the story is

keen summit
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Well ngl

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Revolutionaries are very common

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Again even his story influence has tons of possible inspiration points

worthy rose
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The whole reason he's a revolutionary is because his people (a race that was previously inslaved and treated as less then human by their oppressors) are as a result of said oppression dying in the street by the droves (because the race that where oppressing them still don't see them as equal for the most part) and to slove this problem he is fighting back with violence as opposed to other members of his people who believe in non-violence because they aren't getting shit done fast enough he's clearly ment to be a black revolutionary you'd have to be stupid to not see what's going on here

keen summit
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Again yes but this story has veen done more and even ALL THAT could also be based on Moses funnily enough. Even how he does it with the pharaohs curse, ties to egypt and ramattra saying theyre treated as slaves. Im just saying that there can be multiple inspirations

worthy rose
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Oh ok that's fair

keen summit
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I personally think for inspiratiom he simply is based on a ton of revolutionaries

light pawn
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i swear on everyones lives in this server im not lying
excuse me guys, may someone give me nitro ? (its for my girl please dont let me down im tryna impress her)

keen summit
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Thats why he has multiple inspurations, a cloak amd a staff, Moses is known for that, dreadlocks, something seen in more black culture, robot, thats very obvious cuz we zeen tons of those

worthy rose
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Ok but like the omnincs are a previously inslaved race that are being killed and treated differently because of their previous inslavement this is exactly how black people are treated in modern day America sure he has other inspirations but he takes the most from black ones

keen summit
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I know. But let me say this, if theyd be vocal bout the inspirations theyd get backlash no matter what

worthy rose
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Ture

cosmic sentinel
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true

keen summit
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imagine saying the MAIN VILLAIN is based either on a balck revolutionary or an important part of the bible. both would get backlash especially in the states

keen summit
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i will say mei actually has use to overwatch for tracking rama down

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his base is probs in antartica from the description and climate anomalies that have been happening

muted kite
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Seems like an inconvenient location even for a machine. It’s so cold there that a lot of machine parts need constant maintenance to keep them functional

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Not to mention the lack of access to any ore or fuel deposits, all raw materials would need to be shipped in.

keen summit
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we know its VERY VERY COLD

muted kite
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The Taiga or Arctic tundra would make more sense, it’s not nearly as brutally cold and it’s not completely isolated from anything useful

keen summit
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The thing is that exactly round that time anomalies happened in antartica

muted kite
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Hmm. Maybe Blizzard didn’t do research

keen summit
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Well it did create if im c9rrect huge amounts of pollution and heat so its probs that they heat it all

muted kite
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Yeah, but if it’s been sitting abandoned for years since the crisis, the cold should have damaged a lot of important parts. And you’d need to ship in both metal and fuel to build anything

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And cargo ships aren’t exactly inconspicuous

keen summit
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An abandoned cargo ship

dim flicker
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Meep @keen summit

keen summit
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alright so kiriko

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wellllll she bascially retconned the no magic thing they said

dim flicker
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Yea she did

keen summit
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worst written hero by far imho. she feels like an self insert. age is all wrong, timeline dont add up. she has magic

dim flicker
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Grew up and trained as kids with hazo and genjinor are 30 smth and 40 smth I think

keen summit
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shes insanely badly written but tried to be like relatable ig? which is logical cuz if u add some anime tropes to the first buyable hero itll be more populair than say an australian muscular woman or a black cyborg canadian

dim flicker
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Jq isn't that good of a character but I like her background

keen summit
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dva in cinematic is a hardworking young woman who cares alot about others and feels alot of responsibility, shes even a bit of a mechanic working on her own mech at the end. in the comics shes much the same, she has a sense of duty.
dva in game: EEEEEEEEEEEEEW cringggeeeeeeee, NERF THIS! etc

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i also never count bought voicelines to good or bad writing

dim flicker
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I don't take a lot of the gameplay into account for writing cause things change but I gotta agree

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Least they can't ever screw up my fave character bastion tho

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Literally just beeps and boops for voice lines

keen summit
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gameplay is part of it. but imho one of the best things is when they make their gameplay fit their personality

dim flicker
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Yea, that's one of the reasons junkrat has always been a favorite for people aside from bombs

keen summit
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mauga in the kit concept fits his can get carried away, massacres people but thinks ahead style. ramattra fits his calm demeanor hiding immense rage that he lets out, jq fits that shes just overwhelm your opponents etc

dim flicker
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Yea

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Oh! Did we ever get more winton lore?

keen summit
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welllllllllllll only more winton content

dim flicker
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Ik Hammond is new but that's about it

keen summit
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actually

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technically we do have some in declassified probs

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but winston lore is already VERY well established

dim flicker
keen summit
# dim flicker Wdym?

things like tracer comic, pve etc all featured winston as an important character

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winston is the main character of ow

dim flicker
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Yea, the fact his ult goes with the lore behind his glasses is really cool

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Ah right

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I never read any of the comics

keen summit
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eh most imho arent that great

dim flicker
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Ah

keen summit
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best reads imho are ramattra mini novel, i liked the new bastion mini novel

dim flicker
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I'll check em out

keen summit
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new blood is good too

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lastly retribution is really good

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masquerade is cool aswell

dim flicker
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Gotcha also Ik we learned more about how Australia came to be how it is but what's with road hog

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Never understood him that well

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Or at all

keen summit
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well we dont know THAT much but hes one of the people who attacked the omnium

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afterwards he well became a junker.

dim flicker
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Gotcha

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Oh did we ever find that omnium in Antarctica?

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Or is that still a TBD kinda thing

keen summit
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its a theory

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its my theory specifically as it seems to point to it

dim flicker
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Oh, I thought it was the whole reason mei was stationed out in nowheresvill

keen summit
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no she was stationed there for climate change research

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ecology

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funnily enough what anubis used to do

dim flicker
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Anubis?

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I think I remember that name

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Wasn't phara guarding it or smth?

keen summit
keen summit
# dim flicker Wasn't phara guarding it or smth?

ill give u a quick rundown. anubis is an god program, there were 4 big ones in different parts of the world for different purposes. anubis was in egypt and was the god program of ecology. it deemed humanity and the future of earth not being able to coexist so decided to wipe out humanity. thats how the omnic crisis started

dim flicker
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Jeez I've missed a lot of lore apparently

keen summit
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if you want basic rundown watch overwatch genesis

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genesis was a big bomb

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declassified too but also just reshelled alot of stuff

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declassified is btw an in universe history book, so it for example purposfully got some stuff wrong like for example soldier 76 and reaper being dead

dim flicker
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Right

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Give me a day or so of research and learning up on this stuff and we can have a legit combo instead of me picking your brain

keen summit
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for now if u want to learn about the crisis watch overwatch genesis

dim flicker
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Got it I'll go ahead and do that

keen summit
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declassified is best used to bolster your already existing knowledge imho

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cuz it basically gives you a lens to what the world knows aswell

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as the earlier example with reaper and soldier 76 for example

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you never hear bout for example sombra or widow, only bout the most well known talon member who is doom

dim flicker
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That would make sense if they're operating like black watch used to

keen summit
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well theyre not like blackwatch but yeah secretive

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they want influence

dim flicker
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Operating in secret for the most part

keen summit
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yeah

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as most evil orgs do

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vishkar is something i wanna know more of

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like sanjay aswell

dim flicker
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I know very little about vishkar and nothing about sanjay

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But yea give me a day or 2 and we can have a real talk bout the lore

keen summit
keen summit
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sanjay is part of talon council, my theory is that he actually believes in a perfect world too but much like doom and moira believes it wont come without cost

keen summit
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we already have money in the council too

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so honestly im kinda leaning towards perfection for atleast sanjay

dim flicker
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We'll have to wait and find out

still drift
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why is there pc na and eu but console have mixed channel server?

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we need eu console channel-

peak escarp
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!!loreonly

twilit nacelleBOT
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This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

ruby ridge
acoustic ice
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is it true that roadhog survived a point blank nuke

vast thicket
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Did the Devs Remove the Flirting Voice lines between genji and Mercy?

viscid flame
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No more than any of the Australian Rebels/Junkers when the omnium blew up

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Hog doesn't seem to have too much visible scarring or burns. Though he's had a lot of Radiation exposure

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The Hogdregen helps with that

golden oak
golden oak
viscid flame
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Oh yea Iodine should definitely be in Hogdregen even if not the only ingredient.

I love that voiceline conversation

golden oak
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I feel like moira should’ve known that

vast thicket
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id like to think with PVE, every Talon Member would slowly Betray Doomfist, like Widowmaker wakes up, or Sombra Betrays talon (yk cuz shes rly only using their resources), Reaper stops being Emo

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cuz were gonna play as every hero at least once right?

rare trail
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widow isn’t really “asleep”

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she chose to go back to talon after killing Gerard

keen summit
lavish vessel
silver viper
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Is doomfist a bad person? He’s like thanos no? Positive motive with questionable methods.

golden oak
silver viper
sage dagger
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Who has the fattest cheeks in lore

lavish vessel
sage dagger
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As an ashe man can confirm I vote ashe

peak escarp
vast thicket
peak escarp
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there may be Talon missions in the future

golden oak
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I think someone said there will be talon missions

lavish vessel
peak escarp
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maybe

lavish vessel
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That would be so cool, I hope we get a new event mission next season

golden oak
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Mauga in pve? 👀

lavish vessel
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I’d love to see that

hushed jetty
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i NEED mauga in a cutscene idc for what i need him

vast thicket
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i really want the next Missions, the Nepal one looks so exciting

twilit patrol
hoary shale
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I need friends lol all mine basically ignore me now

wheat estuary
rancid juniper
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@mortal saddle @cloud moat add me on disc i need to dm u

acoustic crown
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!lfg

keen summit
vast thicket
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Does anyone Know why Reaper became so Pale?

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Like he was Brown skinned as gabriel and now hes like an Olive White

golden oak
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Um we didn’t really see much of his face

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After becoming reaper

merry mason
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You can see part of his arm

ionic jewel
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he’s dead

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a corpse

golden oak
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Not dead but decaying

ionic jewel
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he’s definitely dead

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he died during the explosion

golden oak
# merry mason You can see part of his arm

Oh you mean this part? Reaper was a hero concept before overwatch was even a thing so most likely they came up with him being Mexican after this design was already created and they forgot to change it or something

golden oak
ionic jewel
golden oak
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Resurrection isn’t possible
However if someone has like mortal wounds it is possible to save them with cybernetics in Genjis case or with the solution moira used to upgrade Gabriel (but a higher dose)

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Reaper talking about his death is more like the death of his previous identity because he let people believe he died there in Switzerland

tiny star
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Does genji and hanzo have actual magical dragon powers or are they future tech?

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And why does kiriko's mother have hanzo's sword

vast thicket
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why is Almost every character in the game a Criminal 💀

twilit patrol
vast thicket
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hold on in PvE database are the new writers actually trying to Erase Gency 😭

jolly vapor
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man i wish the mode wasn't dead, i just wanna chill and try and get legendary done

golden oak
dense nebula
lavish vessel
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They’d fit perfectly in the event missions tab

golden oak
jolly vapor
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Same with the Kings Row mission, they should of just kept it around

lavish vessel
jolly vapor
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i'd be happy with just 1 event mission a season, and rotate daily between them, the archive missions, the modifiers etc

lavish vessel
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That would be a good idea, or just make it so that some are always there like archives

jolly vapor
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It's why I was looking forward to the hero missions. Literally a random generator:

  • Pick map
  • Pick enemy type
  • Pick heroes
  • Pick objective type
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Look I understand it takes time and effort to ensure AI pathing etc works on maps.

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But the modes they made for hero missions literally seemed to be almost procedually generated

vast thicket
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with Widow and Sombra

golden oak
vast thicket
golden oak
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Nope, I believe you can even find that place teased on the map

vast thicket
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im pretty sure it was the Ramattra and Mondatta cutscene that fooled me into believing it was the sanctuary

golden oak
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Besides it makes sense for zen to be in suravasa because he went on a pilgrimage like Aurora so it makes sense for him to be in suravasa

vast thicket
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istg i hope the ending of the story is wortht he money

peak escarp
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that's subjective

golden oak
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Doubt

vast thicket
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since its easier to make someone Angry

peak escarp
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I already consider the story missions worth the money

golden oak
vast thicket
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and that statement doesnt make her feel remorseful, either way we saw her at Gerards grave so she must feel some level of Remorse

golden oak
vast thicket
peak escarp
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those were for Hero Missions

golden oak
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Tbh it would make sense if whatever moira did to her to suppress her emotions is slowly losing effect because I think in ow2 interactions she shows emotions pretty often

vast thicket
peak escarp
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the problem with that is

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where would she go?

vast thicket
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all the characters are playable, has Blizzard ever killed off a Playable character in their games?

peak escarp
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she's still responsible for the murder of a lot of people

golden oak
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Yeah she has nowhere to go and also she likes what she does

fresh rock
peak escarp
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that's why she went back to Talon - she couldn't go anywhere else

vast thicket
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actually 3

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if u count Ramattra

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note the end of the Storm rising mission

golden oak
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I don’t think talon trusts ram enough to take him on talon missions

vast thicket
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out of all talon members, whos most likely to betray the Group

peak escarp
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Sombra

golden oak
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Sombra, Mauga, Max

fresh rock
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Sombra, it makes sense.

peak escarp
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technically she already has

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by sabotaging the Volskaya mission

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but I would also argue she isn't loyal to Talon, and is just using them for her own goals

golden oak
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Max kinda when he gave up dooms location when he was threatened

vast thicket
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if u think about it, blackmail is better than killing

golden oak
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Why did they want to kill her btw

peak escarp
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because she wasn't cooperating with Talon

jolly vapor
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anyone here wanna do legendary missions xD

golden oak
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Tbh if there was a similar situation where mauga had a different goal than talon he’d most likely betray them too

peak escarp
#

not that surprising

#

Talon isn't exactly known for its loyalty

golden oak
#

Reaper and widow are loyal for sure

#

Not sure about moira tbh

peak escarp
#

Reaper and Widow and Moira are all just using Talon for their resources

golden oak
#

Moira’s goal align with Akande’s so
But she does seem independent

azure bluff
#

I would say Widow and to an extent Reaper are being used, more than them using Talon

#

And of course Sigma is 100% being used, almost no question about it

golden oak
#

Reaper just wants revenge on overwatch I guess

twilit patrol
#

I think he wants to kill Jack

ionic jewel
#

he wants to kill everyone

golden oak
#

He was hunting Ana too

twilit patrol
ionic jewel
#

yes

twilit patrol
#

Why he wants to kill everyone?

#

It’s not his goal

fallow moon
#

Alright guys we need more Hammond lore

twilit patrol
#

I don’t think so

fallow moon
#

Have him be the one that blew up Gibraltar

#

Even though he’s in space

twilit patrol
#

I think we’ll learn more about him in Heroes Ascendant

fallow moon
#

2 of my favorite tanks

twilit patrol
#

But I doubt we’ll see them in PvE

fallow moon
#

I feel like we’ll only focus on the new Overwatch agents

twilit patrol
#

The PvE is focus on the main story

fallow moon
#

God damn it

twilit patrol
#

And there are some characters like the junkers who aren’t in the main story

hushed jetty
#

roadhog has some lines that imply there might be a junker themed mission at some point

fallow moon
#

Because Zen has been taken away and is probably being shown doom fist only fans

twilit patrol
#

Genji will save him

#

Overwatch will come in India

fallow moon
#

Please don’t let sym have any love in Overwatch PVE

twilit patrol
#

What?

ionic jewel
twilit patrol
#

No I think not

#

It’s Ramattra

#

No it’s about Reaper

#

But you’re right anyway

#

Ram doesn’t want to kill all humans

#

Same for Reaper

#

Me either but I know that he doesn’t want to kill everyone

fallow moon
#

Long before time had a name

#

There was a young 2016 me I was happy then that monster

#

Rain hellfire upon all my games

hearty jewel
#

I'm watching all of the cinematics and the lore is so goodaughh

#

Too bad the game gives me aids 💔

ionic jewel
#

facts

#

the animation is nice

#

doomfist’s is my fav

hearty jewel
#

I also love the JQ one because she's hot asl

#

Gives me a boener

ionic jewel
#

kirikos was really good

#

the og animations give me disney vibes

hearty jewel
#

I cried the first time I saw it

hearty jewel
#

Esp the bastion one

ionic jewel
#

his was so pretty

#

and so violent

hearty jewel
#

I knowww i love ganymede

#

Hes my favorite robot with ptsd

#

But it's unfair that we don't have more bob in the cinematics, one isn't enough

ionic jewel
#

we need a bob origin

hearty jewel
#

I love him

#

He's so silly

fallow moon
#

Be so cool

ionic jewel
#

both

merry token
#

Ana slideshow origin

lime gyro
native moat
#

We need some sigma cinematics bro

rare trail
#

arent the next set of missions about talon?

golden oak
#

Probably not

peak escarp
#

all we know is Talon is targetting Zenyatta for unknown reasons

golden oak
#

I mean talon will be present but i dont think it will be from talon’s perspective
There is also that midtown mission coming

past copper
#

It might be a Talon mission first in India, than back to Null Sector

#

Possibly in New York

#

What the third mission might be is unclear

#

It all really depends on what Talon is doing under Null Sector’s invasion

keen summit
#

I really dont know why zen got targeted tho, mondatta made sense cuz rama saw him as an obstacle but zen?

#

Zen isnt important enough to the greater world and rama actually cares bout him

acoustic ice
#

does disney still exist in the year of ow2

past copper
#

Disney gets off on suing and shutting down anyone who uses anything with their brand

#

Hence, this is why Blizzard World exists

vast thicket
#

No one talks about how mei invented a Torture Device

fresh rock
#

??

keen summit
vast thicket
vast thicket
#

with Moira and Meis Weapons you are experiencing a Slow and Painful death

keen summit
#

And so can mei

vast thicket
#

i was just Mainly pointing out ones fromthe top of my head

keen summit
#

Ashe dynamite mauga incindiery everything from torb

vast thicket
keen summit
vast thicket
vast thicket
keen summit
#

i know

vast thicket
#

she could just M1 and then slow and then Headshot you

#

but this aint ow1 mei

keen summit
#

meanwhile illari who legit burns your skin

vast thicket
#

i wonder how its even an Ethical way to Kill soldiers

#

moira legit just Sucks your soul out slowly

keen summit
#

but thats moira

#

like

#

ethical and moira

#

mei also hasnt ever used it on living people, omnics dont get frostbite from what we know soooo

vast thicket
#

Ana in the Comic knew that Bodyshots will cause them to Experience Pain, so she Headshots them in order for them to not experience pain

#

i mean either way Her Sniper was So OP so either way Instant death

#

like its a Kinamura

keen summit
#

but again, mei never used it against people

vast thicket
keen summit
#

mei mainly used her weapon for well, climbing and even in battle didnt use it much v omnics

vast thicket
#

id like to see how talon troopers feel after being Blizzard on

keen summit
vast thicket
#

weve already seen how that plays out in Recall

#

not very Coolio

keen summit
#

id say dont think bout it too much

#

mei would probs in lore like "lower the amount of cold to just slow them down"

vast thicket
#

i dont even think theres a temperature level on there 💀

keen summit
#

Shes a scientist with a group of various scientist

vast thicket
#

in pve i really wanna see New Overwatch's Reaction to the Founders actually being alive

keen summit
#

You mean soldier and reaper?

vast thicket
lavish vessel
#

They do know they’re alive, Cassidy said “jack morrison is off chasing ghosts” and he also met with ana in new blood comic

vast thicket
#

cuz i would also Say That about someone i knew was allegedly dead

lavish vessel
#

Idk maybe, but I’m pretty sure in mercy’s short story “Valkyrie” she met with soldier and ana too

vast thicket
lavish vessel
#

After

vast thicket
#

then whys no one mentioned them at all 😭

lavish vessel
#

It was after their “deaths”

lavish vessel
vast thicket
#

i need the Zen and Genji vs Widow and Sombra mission already

lavish vessel
#

Yeah I can’t wait for that

vast thicket
#

i have a feeling its Every 3 seasons they release a new Batch

#

i hope its season 9

#

I paid good money for that Invasion pack

lavish vessel
#

I think it should be every season/ every other season at some point, this next wave is just taking a while since they wanna get feedback and perfect the pve packs

vast thicket
#

with Blizzard CEO gone their Shackles must have been erased right?

lavish vessel
#

I really hope so

vast thicket
#

thing is at Blizzcon we saw that the Mission right after Gothenburg is Done

#

clearly with the Visuals

#

so i wonder what the Next mission after that one is

lavish vessel
#

Apparently it’s Suravasa, circuit Royale and midtown

vast thicket
#

omg i cant wait for Circuit Royale

lavish vessel
#

Same, hopefully we get more max lore

vast thicket
#

witht the Skill trees, shouldnt they have just GIven us what they have Done?

#

like they have Genji being able to Throw out Slices of his Dragon

#

Mercys Instant and Mass rez

lavish vessel
#

I do wish we got them cos they could be fun for the main missions, they were only gonna be used for hero missions tho

vast thicket
#

Mei instant freeze with ice block

lavish vessel
#

Yeah there were so many cool abilities shown that we might just not get

vast thicket
#

Or the cool ass Rein 360 shatter

lavish vessel
vast thicket
#

there was an animation with Widow being able to Grapple someone and kick them

#

Echo throwing out her wings like Frisbees and it bouncing off of targets

lavish vessel
keen summit
#

he met ana

#

in new blood

vast thicket
#

like bruh there was a lot that was done that they couldve used

keen summit
#

oh well

vast thicket
#

pulse bomb chain reaction couldve been lit

keen summit
#

no use fretting over things that are gone

vast thicket
#

Or the Mercys Staff being able to shoot bombs

keen summit
vast thicket
#

what couldve been cool was Whenever Moiras Orbs bounce, they multiply into smaller Orbs

ionic jewel
#

moira should get ejected off the face of the earth

jolly vapor
#

at least as of the halloween mode, we know they have the tech in the engine to support ability/weapon upgrades

#

Be cool if they'd just give us access to all of this via the workshop

keen summit
#

workshop in general could use updates

#

like for example allowoing us to change ROF, falloff, switch abilities etc. tons could be done to give us more freedom and ease of use

vast thicket
#

what id think would be a Cool gamemode is Classic Mode, which is bring back Every ability from 2016, 6v6

dusty snow
#

why are the people fighting in the game? ik why overwatch exists in the lore but if overwatch is one side of the game than who is the other side? and why do both sides have robots if one is overwatch and one is fighting for the omnics?

rare trail
#

pvp isn’t canon

ionic jewel
#

no way

golden oak
#

Sometimes in pvp you act out the scene that haven’t even happened like
In junkertown they didn’t even get past the gate but in the game you deliver the payload all the way to the queen

hushed jetty
#

yeah theyre fighting null sector but theyre not anti omnic

dusty snow
hushed jetty
#

currently theyre fighting to take down null sector. maybe talon too idk

#

but null sector is not All omnics

#

its just one guy and his minions that he built

#

most omnics are not affiliated with null sector

dusty snow
#

i thought this series' entire plot was about the omnics rebelling and like some junk city

dense nebula
#

The actual overall plot is how Overwatch is reactivating against the Petras Act in order to fight for humanity once again

#

Ramattra’s civil war is just one major fight that they happen to be fighting atm

hushed jetty
dusty snow
#

why is there a literal hamster and ape on overwatch

peak escarp
#

because they did animal experiments on the moon

dusty snow
#

and what the hell were they doing to them

peak escarp
#

it's not a robot

#

it's a mech

#

with a limited AI

#

like Jarvis for Iron Man

dusty snow
#

and youre willing to tell me that a hamster knows war tactics?

peak escarp
#

why would it know war tactics?

dusty snow
peak escarp
#

what war?

dusty snow
peak escarp
#

Hammond isn't part of Overwatch

#

he's a Junker

dusty snow
#

ah

#

what about winston then

peak escarp
#

Winston is the new leader of Overwatch

dusty snow
#

why is junkrat gray?

#

ik why widow is purple but why is he gray?

peak escarp
#

gray?

#

what do you mean gray?

vast thicket
dusty snow
#

also im colorblind

peak escarp
#

he looks human coloured to me

dusty snow
#

ah, to me he looks very gray

spare fox
#

were you maybe seeing his toasted skin? where he's covered in soot

dusty snow
spare fox
#

yeah his ow1 skin has (different) soot patches from the new one

dusty snow
#

me looking for overwatch characters with personality or story beyond one event/cliche (there are none)

peak escarp
#

what

spare fox
#

that's just not true

dusty snow
vast thicket
peak escarp
#

D.Va has a pretty complex personality

vast thicket
#

Ana, Sombra, reaper, a lot of characters have Depth

dusty snow
vast thicket
#

she has weight on her shoulders

#

if you saw Shooting stars you would know

dusty snow
#

okay, i can agree with that

vast thicket
#

she also has a lot of Pride and doesnt Ask for help

peak escarp
#

she's a former pro-gamer forced to fight for her country who puts on a public persona for her audience but is actually fiercely protective of her country and would sacrifice herself to save people

dusty snow
#

blizzard actually wrote a character once

vast thicket
#

Ana-

lavish vessel
#

Yeah there’s a lot of stuff like comics, short stories, cinematics that u should check out since their whole personality isn’t shown from just in game

vast thicket
#

Sombra had to go into a life of Crime and joined with the wrong group of people when she was young

short holly
dusty snow
peak escarp
#

they seem like shallow characters if all you see is the game

#

but the lore gives them depth

vast thicket
short holly
vast thicket
#

how did you think i found out Sombra has a soft side

dusty snow
vast thicket
#

another note: reaper isnt Emo, hes actually experiencing pain

peak escarp
#

that wasn't retconned

vast thicket
short holly
#

Technically none of the interactions are canon
This is just what would happen if they interacted

dusty snow
short holly
#

And kinda for sig

peak escarp
#

she has depth without being involved in Reaper's creation

vast thicket
#

Moira wants the Best for Humanity by making them as Strong as Possible, but her Methods are too Controversial and Unethical, so she was Silenced which made her more and more Psycho

dusty snow
short holly
peak escarp
#

Mercy has strong moral objections to her inventions being used to harm (like with Ana's rifle)

peak escarp
#

she's not a pacifist

vast thicket
#

well through her dialogue it seems like it

peak escarp
#

she just objects to the weaponization of nanobiotics

vast thicket
#

she literally has said "must violence always must be the solution?"

dusty snow
#

this went from a joke to a massive debate

peak escarp
#

that happens a lot around here

#

this is a serious discussion channel, after all

vast thicket
short holly
dusty snow
peak escarp
#

like I said

#

serious discussion channel

#

it's quiet here until people have something to talk about

dusty snow
# vast thicket its also cuz u spouted the statement that no one has depth

it was a joke, and i know that obviously some have depth because its a story that needs characters. what i was saying is that most dont have much, and thats not very hard to dispute. for example, what is tracers personality? torb? winston? theyre like elsa from frozen; there IS a personality, but its not very deep or well-defined

vast thicket
#

ill never cope with the fact that Tracers Age is Relative

short holly
#

What

vast thicket
short holly
#

I thought it just made her LOOK young

vast thicket
#

shes constantly using it

short holly
#

Goddamn

vast thicket
#

so it would mean

#

her age stays the same

#

cuz shes always going Forward and Backward

short holly
#

Yeah

#

I get that

lavish vessel
#

Oh tracer ages basically normally I’m pretty sure

peak escarp
#

she does age

#

she's 28 now

#

she was 26 in OW1

vast thicket
#

i dont think overwatch characters age do they?

dusty snow
#

has her being a lesbian ever affected the story or herself much/at all?

peak escarp
#

they all aged 2 years between OW1 and OW2

lavish vessel
#

Yeah it can be seen from the time gap between ow1 and 2

short holly
#

Sojourn turns 52 in a few days lmao

lavish vessel
peak escarp
vast thicket
dusty snow
peak escarp
#

Tracer's girlfriend has as much impact on the story as Tobjorn's wife

dusty snow
vast thicket
#

Emily is a Civilian so

#

not rly

short holly
#

Hell, Pharah is too, just doesn’t have a known love interest

dusty snow
vast thicket
#

i hope emily makes an appearence in the story

lavish vessel
vast thicket
short holly
lavish vessel
vast thicket
#

Mercy and pharah have a pretty big age gap

peak escarp
#

5 years

#

not that big

short holly
vast thicket
#

well would u date someone when you knew them when they were a child

peak escarp
#

Mercy was a child then too

vast thicket
peak escarp
#

she was 17

#

Pharah was 12

short holly
vast thicket
#

shes part of OG overwatch so how would this-

peak escarp
peak escarp
#

she joined 10 years after the crisis ended

short holly
peak escarp
#

I'm just pointing out that it's not unusual for couples to have a few years between them

vast thicket
#

well mercy and pharah dont have chemistry

short holly
#

TRUE

peak escarp
#

so 5 years between Mercy and Pharah isn't really an argument

ionic jewel
#

gency better

vast thicket
#

the only reason its shipped cuz they have Synergy in a teamcomp

peak escarp
#

the lack of chemistry is a better argument

vast thicket
short holly
#

I am a Pharmercy DENIER
not in game tho, I’m a Pharah main.

peak escarp
#

they still have more than Hanzo and Cassidy

short holly
vast thicket
#

hanzo x cassidy is something ill never forgive this community for

short holly
#

FUCK HANZO x CASS

vast thicket
#

like WHERE

#

DID THIS COME FROM

short holly
#

WE DONT LIKE IT

peak escarp
#

they've never even met

short holly
#

EXACTLY

vast thicket
#

crap

#

so like

short holly
#

What other ships does the community have that don’t make sense

vast thicket
#

yall seen the image with the OGs

#

who is the Guy next to reaper

#

in a mohawk

#

and can he be a new hero pls

peak escarp
#

Emre Sarioglu

vast thicket
short holly
peak escarp
#

he was the first person recruited to Overwatch after the omnic crisis

#

we don't know where he is now

short holly
#

Probably dead

#

Hopefully dead

peak escarp
#

there's a theory that he might be one of the people seen on the Talon council in Masquerade

vast thicket
#

i need more Talon lore

#

i main a lot of ppl in talon so like-

short holly
#

SIGMA LORE ON TOP BTW

vast thicket
#

Doomfist pve bossfight anyone?

#

that would be epic

peak escarp
#

I don't know how they could have a boss fight with Doomfist that makes him seem like enough of a threat

short holly
#

I’m of the opinion that we’ll get an opposite side to the missions where he play AS talon members

peak escarp
#

aside from just giving him a lot of hitpoints

short holly
#

That would be better than just “fight these people”

vast thicket
#

or give him like 3 more abilities

#

its a AAA company im sure they could do it

short holly
#

OR

#

we just play as team talon

#

Ez

vast thicket
#

so we know Suravasa and Circut royale is done so can they just- give us the next batch soon

short holly
#

Yeah

#

They said we’d get it 2024

vast thicket
#

love how in Blizzcon they Barely mentioned pve

short holly
vast thicket
#

they just said we cant tell you yet, but its gonna be good

short holly
vast thicket
#

Circuit royale is the mission im looking forward to

#

so is Suravasa

short holly
#

Wonder what the third one will be

vast thicket
#

Busan Question mark

short holly
#

Eh

#

How would a map like that work?

vast thicket
#

they will do extensions so like

short holly
#

Could also just be an entirely new map

#

Like they did with Gothenburg

vast thicket
#

if they could find a way to connect All 3 busan Maps and make us go through a long line that would be cool

#

some open world stuff

#

yk they couldve just given us 3 talents minimum for every hero

#

i want at least one redemption arc ( i dont want sombra or reaper to die)

short holly
#

For me it’d be rein
Because he’s trying to protect everyone

peak escarp
#

Maximilien

vast thicket
#

its actually a hard question

peak escarp
short holly
peak escarp
#

I don't want any playable heroes to die

vast thicket
#

cuz i want a betrayal arc for some talon agents

vast thicket
short holly
#

Who would it be

#

And why

peak escarp
#

other games have done a lot of things

vast thicket
peak escarp
#

doesn't mean Overwatch should

vast thicket
#

well has blizzard ever killed off a character thats playable

short holly
#

It’s a hypothetical

#

If it WERE to happen

#

Not saying it should nor it will

#

Just who would make the most sense?

peak escarp
#

Sigma

#

because he's the oldest

past copper
#

It’s doubtful Overwatch will kill off a playable hero

#

It just wouldn’t make sense as they don’t make playable heroes if the character is dead

#

So if they did kill somebody in Story, they’d either be contradicting this or they’d have to remove the hero from roster

#

Neither of which is a good move

vapid tusk
#

the only scenario in which it would probably happen is if the VA dies which is not something to be excited about

opaque tundra
#

I don’t see them killing a character bc of the VA

#

They’d probably just get replaced unfortunately

past copper
#

Didn’t Soldier’s VA die a couple years ago?

peak escarp
#

his Italian VA

#

Mercy's Brazilian VA was also murdered

past copper
#

I knew bout the Mercy VA

#

I remember retweeting that one

#

RIP to both of them

spare fox
#

I don't see a hero getting killed off happening any time soon, but eventually if the story is drip fed long enough, it might happen

twilit patrol
#

Torbjorn french VA died too

vapid tusk
cunning burrow
#

or rein

#

rein going down in a blaze of glory, akin to his mentor

#

and moira dying bc she couldnt master atrophy in time, and her self experiments proves lethal too soon

merry token
#

Like I doubt they would remove a hero from lore for that reason

golden oak
#

I doubt they would record all the voice lines again

#

Probably just hire a new actor with a similar voice for the new ones

#

Unless it’s a relatively new hero maybe

dry knoll
#

Hey guys I got a question for you who is your favorite character in the lore for me it will have to be reaper

hushed jetty
#

[hides my server name] youd never guess who mine is

#

ok thats a red herring

vapid tusk
#

I love both the shimada bros equally

night summit
#

.

slow nymph
#

yooo i have a dps character idea would anyone be interested in hearing it

worn latch
small wadi
vapid tusk
slow nymph
acoustic ice
#

What’s this about a secret organization that’s more dangerous than Talon

leaden galleon
#

Not sure what they are talking about

keen summit
keen summit
#

and why the fuck would reaper and widow join overwatch

#

its a person who truely dont get the lore and story or just dont understand writing

modern cedar
#

im really interested in learning about the lore of overwatch in more depth its so interesting and fun, im still pretty new to the game so would anone be interested in going over it brefily or is it far too complex by now?

supple osprey
modern cedar
supple osprey
#

Just scroll all the way to the left and they are labeled in order

peak escarp
muted kite
hushed jetty
#

whats their deal anyway

golden oak
#

Idk what would have to happen to convince widow and reaper to join overwatch and overwatch accepting them

zenith mango
#

is the part abt reaper and widow joing ow speculation

#

bc of it is then its not happening'

hushed jetty
#

widow maybe if she got the redemption arc that everyone wants her to get

#

REAPER is crazy though

woven jewel
#

I could see Reaper going with Ana and 76 tho

hushed jetty
#

i couldnt. he wants them dead

golden oak
#

I feel like his relations with Ana are still better than with Jack

#

Since he had no beef with Ana

#

And Ana had a similar fate (also being abandoned by her colleagues) so I think he sympathises with her

vast thicket
#

hanzo is 40, genji 37, kiriko 21

#

somethings not adding up

peak escarp
vast thicket
#

they expect me to believe they grew up together

peak escarp
#

yes

#

there is an explanation for Kiriko's age

vast thicket
#

If its the fox spirit-

peak escarp
#

probably

little crest
vast thicket
#

I actually don’t know

#

Does anyone ever wonder why everyone just randomly got new outfits

peak escarp
little crest
#

What 😭

peak escarp
#

her bio says she was 12 when Sojiro was killed

#

they messed up the timeline

vast thicket
#

The fox spirit balanced her Blood sugar so hard she stayed young

#

(OBVIOUS JOKE)

peak escarp
#

or there's some explanation of why she is 21 when she should be 24 at minimum

little crest
vast thicket
#

She looked around 7 when the shimada brothers looked like they were in their mid teens

peak escarp
#

art is subjective

#

but yes

#

I think it's unlikely to be a mistake, since there have been other mistakes with ages (Sojourn's age, for example) which have been fixed

#

so why not fix this one?

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that tells me that the error is intentional and there is an explanation for it... we just don't have the explanation

little crest
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Overwatch has some booty lore

vast thicket
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Cuz how would a 4 year old train

peak escarp
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some children start kendo training as young as 3 years old

vast thicket
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And kiriko would be too old for timeline reasons

peak escarp
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particularly in traditional Japanese families

vast thicket
hushed jetty
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some traditions have persisted for centuries? maybe a little adjusted here and there but still

peak escarp
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traditions don't die just because it's the future

vapid tusk
sick phoenix
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but they need to expand on heros

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I wanna know more about lucios dad and how his tech got stole by sym's dad masettvGahdamme

peak escarp
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Sym's dad?

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Lucio's dad worked for Vishkar, and made the sonic tech for them

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Lucio says it's stolen, but he doesn't really understand how intellectual property rights work

sick phoenix
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LMFAOO omfg

peak escarp
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Sanjay is Symmetra's boss, not her dad

sick phoenix
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Ohhh

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I thought her dad owned Vishkar tbh

peak escarp
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nope

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she came from the slums and Vishkar took her away from her family

sick phoenix
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Holy shit

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So did LW attend Vishkar or was it unrelated schooling? their voicelines about being dormmates

peak escarp
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yes he was part of Vishkar's academy

golden oak
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Just learned they released a manga with Kiriko’s backstory
Is that true???

viral tendon
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Yeah I don’t know where to buy it besides Amazon though

peak escarp
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it's published online

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「OVERWATCH2」の公式コミカライズ読み切りまんが!!
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彼女は育った土地である鉄坂(カネザカ)を守るべく、人知れず悪と戦い続けている。
これはカネザカを守る一人のヒーローの物語――。

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there's a fan translation on the forums

golden oak
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Omg thanks

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I’ve heard it has yokai backstories also

peak escarp
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eh

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kinda

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it just shows some of them meeting Kiriko for the first time

acoustic ice
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vishkar?

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more like fish car