lore-discussion

[peak escarp]

Mauga has nothing

there's your lore accuracy

[past copper]

Guy needs to take their shitposting elsewhere

Than don’t come into a lore discussion with this nonsense

[worthy rose]

Right ok. So when reaper died, or turned into that thing, why did he turn evil, and if so what does black watch even do? What's the difference between them and overwatch, I understand they're evil, but why? What is reapers motive

[peak escarp]

what makes you think any of the heroes have a canonical penis size?

this isn't that kind of game

[worthy rose]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-tom-hardy-max-rockatansky-thats-bait-bait-gif-4987723

[high vault]

[worthy rose]

Thought reaper and soldier 76 where best friends and they go way back

[peak escarp]

they were

but their friendship fell apart after Ana died

[high vault]

i dont think they were ever like BEST friends

[past copper]

They were as close as soldiers

In other words, fight together die together

This is lore discussion. Not game development

[high vault]

jb yapping

[worthy rose]

But ana didnt die, or did she pretend

[high vault]

faked

[peak escarp]

she had amnesia for a while

but when she recovered her memories she stayed "dead"

[worthy rose]

I like reaper, hes just a broken guy that lost everything

Yea

[peak escarp]

what

I don't know what that is

[worthy rose]

What are you talking about?

[past copper]

Ok. I will say this as nicely as possible. Nothing your asking is relevant to Lore-Discussion in the slightest and I think everyone here wants it to please stop

[high vault]

im curious about what an extension is

[past copper]

Drugs or surgery

No. It’s not. It’s shitposting

[peak escarp]

based on their earlier questions, it's probably something penis related

and I will remind you that NSFW is not allowed on this server

[past copper]

I don’t think they get it

[high vault]

back to lore guys!

do u think roadhog and junk would have any lore significance in the near future

[past copper]

Yes

[peak escarp]

not likely

[past copper]

They’re in the coming book

[peak escarp]

they are comedic relief

[high vault]

yea thats what i was thinking

[peak escarp]

that's not lore signifigance

all the stories in that book are about heroes who aren't signifigant to the main story

it's always been like that

[past copper]

All the Junker heroes are about to get more lore in the book this coming year

[high vault]

in the present no maybe in the past

[peak escarp]

no

[high vault]

probably before his militia days? if anything

[peak escarp]

no

[high vault]

he could hook sure

[peak escarp]

maybe

but he doesn't have one currently

[past copper]

Hog only cares about money and himself. Junk stands in the money part

[peak escarp]

the only heroes with known significant others are Tracer and Torbjorn

[high vault]

soldier had a boyfriend at one point iirc

[past copper]

I kinda think Ashe and Cole had something

[peak escarp]

in the past, yes

[past copper]

And Jack and Ana are married. Gabriel was…

[peak escarp]

Ana was married

she and Sam split

Jack was never married

Gabriel was married, but his wife thinks he's dead

Widowmaker was also married but she killed her husband

[past copper]

I could have sworn Jack was married

[peak escarp]

no

[past copper]

Before his “death”

[worthy rose]

Jack had a bf

[peak escarp]

he had a boyfriend during the omnic crisis, but they split because Jack was too busy with Overwatch

[worthy rose]

Idk if they were married

What do you think black watch wants with zenyatta after they killed his master.

Like widow and sombra in that clip

[peak escarp]

not Blackwatch

Talon

[worthy rose]

Yea lol

[peak escarp]

I don't know what they want, but they won't get it

it's from 2021

the Blizzconline panel

they showed a lot of unfinished clips

[wind wind]

what you think genji v sombra widowmaker whos winning?

[worthy rose]

How did ram react to his master being killed

[wind wind]

that is if zen donest back him up

[worthy rose]

Genji will win

[peak escarp]

Overwatch will back Genji up

[wind wind]

but idk if zen even fights never looked into his lore

[peak escarp]

Ramattra hated Mondatta after he denounced Null Sector following the King's Row uprising

he'd be happy to see Mondatta dead

[worthy rose]

Dam, I thought he was a pretty nice and frienely guy, kinda cold by ram ngl

I'd be interesting to get more info on winton and hammond lore tbh.

Been here before but left the discord

The ow discord I mean

[past copper]

So back to the idea of winter skins for those who didn’t get one

I’m thinking Lifeweaver be a perfect Jack Frost

Making ice flowers

Don’t know so much about Junker Queen, Ramattra, or Mauga

Maybe tanks are tougher to think of?

[peak escarp]

just general Christmas/winter themed skins would be fine

they don't have to be specific characters

Ramattra would look cool carved out of ice (similar to Genji's Ice Wraith)

[past copper]

Hmm. Maybe. Tho, I kinda see him wielding a giant candy cane

While I think Queen’s Mob Boss skin could work as one, I don’t know bout Mauga

Maybe something that relates to him burning things?

[worthy rose]

no

rudolph ramattra

[humble vigil]

Question about Ramattra lore

Why did Ramattra’s staff look a lot different back then when he was in shambali monastery?

[opaque tundra]

because it was most likely a walking stick rather than a literal weapon

[twilit patrol]

The difference is he was a monke when he was in Shambali I think

And when he created Null Sector, I think he got improve himself

[peak escarp]

what

oh a monk

[humble vigil]

But why would he need a walking stick? Especially a fancy one?

[twilit patrol]

Wait I think I'm saying bullshit

[opaque tundra]

its been mentioned somewhere (one of the ram dev updates i think?) that he traveled a lot so having a hiking stick would be useful

[twilit patrol]

Ok I missed the word ''staff''

[humble vigil]

Oh actually that makes a lot of sense

[twilit patrol]

I should stop reading fast

[humble vigil]

But how come he doesn’t use his current staff as a fighting stick? It would be cool if he can use it as a melee in game

[twilit patrol]

What do you mean?

He use it

[humble vigil]

He does but as a weak ass gun

With slow bullets

[twilit patrol]

Yeah he could use it as a melee in game

But he doesn't

Because the game

[humble vigil]

But just imagine how awesome if he can just pull up with fighting staff combos in the battle field

[twilit patrol]

Agreed

He has a big potential

[humble vigil]

Plus he’s a monk, wouldn’t he know the skills of fighting and martial arts?

I’m pretty sure zenyatta does too since he can literally boot people off the map

[twilit patrol]

He isn't monk anymore?

[peak escarp]

not all monks are trained in martial arts

that's a D&D thing

[twilit patrol]

It's just in game

[humble vigil]

But have you heard the interaction voicelines of zen and ram?

[twilit patrol]

I doubt that Zen could boot people in the lore like he does in game

[twilit patrol]

Which one?

[humble vigil]

The ones where he says “you must learn to block brother” “someone has forgotten our lessons” and “now mondatta’s lessons have betrayed you too” were all from when Ramattra kills zenyatta in the game

[twilit patrol]

Oh I didn't hear

I don't play Ram so much

[humble vigil]

Also

When ram melees zen in his omnic form he says “you taught me that one”

So they must know how to fight

[twilit patrol]

Wait, so Zen taught to Ram the melee?

[humble vigil]

Yeah

His omnic form melee

Specifically

[twilit patrol]

That's weird because Ram should already know how to fight

He was build to lead an army

[peak escarp]

leaders don't always know how to fight

and omnics mostly fought with weapons, not hand-to-hand

[humble vigil]

He was given a gun though

That’s all he knew when he was manufactured

He was just built to be very big, strong, and very strategic

[twilit patrol]

Yeah

[humble vigil]

Do y’all think he can take mauga in a fight if he was in nemesis or omnic form?

Not in game btw

[twilit patrol]

I'd say it's 50/50

But we do not know if Nemesis is canon

[humble vigil]

Why wouldn’t it be though?

[twilit patrol]

We just don't know actually but we know that he made improvements

[humble vigil]

If it weren’t canon it doesn’t make sense for it to be in the game

[twilit patrol]

A lot of abilities aren't canon

[humble vigil]

Like?

[twilit patrol]

Sigma ultimate

[humble vigil]

Oh

Maybe he just hasn’t used it at all

We just haven’t seen much of sigma

[twilit patrol]

Actually we do not know if Sigma's abilities are canon.

[humble vigil]

Because there isn’t enough of him in the animated shorts or cutscenes

The only thing that shows his true lore is the character origin where he experiments with the black hole and goes insane

[twilit patrol]

Yeah we didn’t see a lot about him

[humble vigil]

Neither did we see much of Ramattra either

Because he’s a new character and a mysterious villain that suspiciously look like a jojos character and the predator alien

[twilit patrol]

Ramattra isn’t really new tbh

We saw him a years ago

He is a recent hero in game I agree

But in the lore he isn’t. He is in the Stom rising cutscene when Doomfist suggested to help Ramattra

[humble vigil]

Oh yeah the one where he takes off his cloak

Tbh I did not know his lore was released years ago before the actual character in the game

[twilit patrol]

We just saw the scene when Ramattra accepted the help of Doomfist (6 years before the recall)

[humble vigil]

I see

But does Ramattra hate doomfist now? When Ramattra kills doom in the game he says “your scheming ends now”

[twilit patrol]

VL in game are hypotetical

But most of time it doesn’t really fit the lore

But since I’ve seen the last short I’m asking some questions

Talon members have literally stolen the data from a Null Sector ship behind Ramattra’s back

[humble vigil]

EXACTLY

WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT??

When I saw the comments on the video of the mauga short, no one has ever questioned why they were stealing from null sector even though they work together

[twilit patrol]

Yeah me too

They are just like ‘´Oh this short is nice’’

I don’t like this new short

I want to know why

Doomfist is the one who suggested his help to Ramattra

And they stole the data from a ship

[humble vigil]

But why?

[twilit patrol]

I don’t know

I want to know why

[humble vigil]

Did Ramattra reject his offer?

[twilit patrol]

No he didn’t

He accepted his help

[humble vigil]

Did they eventually break parts?

Like they had conflict?

[twilit patrol]

I don’t think so

[peak escarp]

it seems like Talon is going behind Ramattra's back to steal from him

[humble vigil]

Actually that makes some sense

[peak escarp]

probably because Doomfist isn't trustworthy

[humble vigil]

Doomfist does a lot of schemes

So it would make sense why he would want to do that

So when Ramattra finds out about that he’ll probably change his mind about working with Talon

[twilit patrol]

Probably

[humble vigil]

I have a weird question about Ramattra

[twilit patrol]

Go on

[humble vigil]

Do y’all think omnics have favourite foods?

I know that zenyatta like to serve his guests vegan food

[twilit patrol]

Idk tbh

[humble vigil]

People say Ramattra’s favourite food is human burgers💀

[hushed jetty]

its not like they can eat

[peak escarp]

omnics can't eat

[twilit patrol]

[humble vigil]

We know

But it’s hypothetical

If they could eat, what would they want to eat?

My guess would be anything metal

[twilit patrol]

Do u really think that Ram could eat ‘’humans burger’’

[humble vigil]

For Ramattra it would probably be eating humans

[twilit patrol]

I doubt

Huh

[humble vigil]

He hates humans

So it would make sense for him to do that

[twilit patrol]

He hates most of humans

But not everyone of them

[humble vigil]

I mean baptiste was one exception

[twilit patrol]

Idk

Well now I’m sleeping

It was good to talk

Night

[humble vigil]

Yeah

Good night

[twilit patrol]

If u have another question u can ask here next time

[analog rampart]

Doesn't he look for peace, but the only reason he'll be violent is if they don't understand.

Like one of his voice lines is "I'll speak in a language you understand, violence"

[humble vigil]

You’re right but he has too much anger and rage built up inside which has driven him mad

[analog rampart]

Yeah, I think that's only because he's sees how humanity will treat him so there is no point being peaceful

Which is understandable 😅

[humble vigil]

Yeah

He’s basically saying “if they hate us for no reason, we will give them a reason to”

But he’s tried multiple times to protest and make peace but that hasn’t worked

[analog rampart]

Yeah it's pretty cool, I live by that ramattra philosophy

If you make the problem worse and bring violence into it, "I will tear victory from your grasp"

[humble vigil]

I wanna be part of Ramattra philosophy too

[analog rampart]

Yeah it just makes sense

[humble vigil]

If you will not understand what I say and comply “I will speak to you in a language you understand; ** V I O L E N C E**”

[analog rampart]

Yeah, I've had to deal with idiots all my life and I've got problems with more idiots (it's a long story) and it so fits the ult line.
"SUFFER AS I HAVE"

Especially when I kick their ass if they come up to me

Ramattra is so relatable

[humble vigil]

The voiceline say a lot about his backstory and lore

[analog rampart]

Yeah it's so cool. I love using it in game mostly because of that line!

[humble vigil]

Because he is giving oppression to his enemies as he has gotten oppression as an omnic

Wow I think there should be a channel for Ramattra philosophy

And maybe zen philosophy too

Sigma rocks

literally rocks

[analog rampart]

Agreed

Idk, 50/50

[humble vigil]

Sigma is kind of like our current president with super powers, he does not know how to make decisions as a leader

[analog rampart]

The only thing I can relate to with sigma is "what is that melody!" 💀

[humble vigil]

He’s just a scientist

[humble vigil]

“What are those?!!!”💀

[analog rampart]

😅 exactly, I can relate

[analog rampart]

Best line 😂

[humble vigil]

“Agony is grape flavoured”💀

[analog rampart]

But I just have to say ramattra is the best put together hero

Yeah true

[humble vigil]

Reaper is also good, he roasts everyone he kills💀

[analog rampart]

I gotta say I like kiriko as well, apart from that age gap problem with hanzo, etc 💀😂

[white carbon]

is there a lfg custom i missed?

[humble vigil]

Zen is always so calm but he still roasts people in the nicest way

Passive aggressive

Without any kind of tone

[dreamy shoal]

How does healing even work in this game? Why is it yellow? Why not use band-aids and other first aid things?

[humble vigil]

It’s just how their colour scheme goes, yellow is healing and harmonious, and purple is harming and damaging

#1 rule of playing Zenyatta, always discord the tank

2nd rule of playing zenyatta, become zenyatta

3rd rule of playing zenyatta, kick people off the map

[graceful stag]

Sorry that I’m nearly 12 hours late, but basically Reaper was originally the captain of Overwatch, but after his motives looked sketchy they kicked him out and promoted Soldier to captain, this enraged Reaper so he made Blackwatch purposefully to rival Overwatch. Reaper’s motive was to get rid of Overwatch which is what he did when he exploded an Overwatch base which had Soldier in it, killing both of them.

Reaper now works for Talon with Doomfist, and soldier turned into a vigilante trying to find him for revenge for ruining his life

[tranquil belfry]

Lmao

[muted kite]

Reaper formed Blackwatch as a covert branch of Overwatch because he got frustrated with "red tape" having to follow international law. They weren't strictly evil, but they were doing illegal scientific research/experiments and black ops.

Some time later, Reaper met Doomfist who radicalized him to Talon's cause because Overwatch hadn't brought down the corrupt elites and businessmen who Reaper saw as the real source of society's problems. Then Reaper betrayed Overwatch and joined Talon.

[worthy rose]

Thanks

[rare trail]

nuh uh

i love lying

for fun

blackwatch was a group within overwatch

they werent a rival group

blackwatch was just like overwatch but they did more shady stuff

overwatch got shut down because blackwatch killed an important guy and overwatch got investigated

then reaper and soldier were at swiss hq which got blown up "killing" them both

they both survived but reaper got turned into the weird wraith ghost thing he is now by moira then and joined talon

but like the public thinks theyre dead

[peak escarp]

Reyes wasn't "kicked out" - Morrison was made Strike Commander of Overwatch because he had better leadership skills, and Reyes didn't like the responsibility of command so he was happy to take a lesser role. He created Blackwatch as a subdivision of Overwatch because it suited his combat style better - with espionage and targeted strikes, rather than open warfare.

[left nova]

Where do people get majority of the lore from considering there isnt much in-game
and even out of game we mainly just have cinematics

[peak escarp]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit?usp=sharing

here's the list of all the lore sources

[left nova]

cool

[golden oak]

Still can’t accept the fact that Rein is racist for omnics 😭

[twilit patrol]

What

But.. they're just machine

[fresh rock]

We've already been over this one 🤦

[hushed jetty]

tbf we havent seen him interact with any omnics except bastion

so maybe he's not omnicphobic just bastionphobic

[peak escarp]

he called the omnics "just machines" in the story mission cutscenes

[twilit patrol]

Yeah and he just was afraid of Bastion

[worthy rose]

Well... Zen is in omnic and i love zen as a master, so i love omnics... well, the good ones anyway

And ram is pretty cool also, love that guy.

[hushed jetty]

oh!

then maybe he's a little omnic-racist
an ounce

[golden oak]

He also said if they can’t just restore that omnic’s soul from a backup

[lavish vessel]

Idk if it counts but he also tried ripping the device off of the omnics head using brute force

[golden oak]

It’s more of ignorance but it’s still rooted from him thinking they’re just machines

[golden oak]

What is this from

[peak escarp]

Reflections [2016]

[merry token]

The kid next to him is wearing a similar outfit to the winter concept genji skin 🥺

[lavish vessel]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

[lavish vessel]

The saddest comic :(((

That one image of reaper looking at his ex wife is from it

[spare fox]

I wanted a Reflections 2 this year so bad but oh well.. maybe next year

[golden oak]

Where Can i read it

[spare fox]

Playoverwatch.com/media

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/stories/reflections/

[lavish vessel]

Ooooo yes, I’d love that

[left nova]

Bob is ashes family?

[merry token]

In a sense, yeah

[tepid edge]

anyone else just get sad asf sometimes thinking about how much blizzard ruined the potential of the story and lore

like they could have deadass made a whole series about it on top of the PVE but just fumbled so hard

[neat dirge]

I just like funny monke shooter

[spare fox]

It's like they have a perpetual "saving it for later" mentality about the story

But really they just keep adding more and more questions

[carmine remnant]

I wish hanzo would join talon

[torpid copper]

No.

[jagged mortar]

I just wish he would be more involved, either with talon or overwatch or whatever

[jagged mortar]

so true

[peak escarp]

hard to say they wasted the potential when it's not finished yet

[past copper]

I prefer having more questions than answers

It leaves room to add more lore

Otherwise, the story of OW would end faster than an animated Disney series

[eager fog]

weeny winston

[jagged mortar]

I think its more that they're increasing the potential but -for lack of a better word- not using the potential

[safe knot]

Slatt *!?+

[worthy rose]

i like the lore from fnaf ngl

[topaz dirge]

I wish the opposite tbh

It’s not Hanzos nature to join something like Talon imo

[twilit patrol]

Why Hanzo would join Talon?

[potent zephyr]

Guys what’s talon

[solid pagoda]

What if ramattra have doom ability in nemesis form ?

[left nova]

there should just be a overwatch anime

[peak escarp]

what would it be about?

[twilit patrol]

I don’t want an OW anime without a good plot

Seriously I don’t even know if that’s necessary

[lethal nova]

Mauga vs doom

Who would win

[lethal nova]

Stopping doomfist from being evil

[hushed jetty]

they literally fought canonically, it was a tie

[twilit patrol]

Doom

Oh?

[hushed jetty]

mauga challenged doom to a no rules 1v1 and it was a tie. doom was impressed so he invited mauga to join talon

[lethal nova]

L maugq

Mauga*

Doom is still betta trust 🙏

[hushed jetty]

i dont think a tie is an L if its doomfist 😭

[lethal nova]

Doomfist held back

Trust

[past copper]

Doom didn’t have his full enhancements yet

Even more doubtful he had the gauntlet upgraded at the time

Since it was some time after he killed his predecessor

[past copper]

No. They ended in a draw

And I think it really say something when a man with a thrill for action can’t compete against a space ape to beat Doomfist

Wonder if that mean Winston can fight Mauga and win

[merry mason]

Neither did maug

[hushed jetty]

yes he did
he had 2 hearts at that point

[peak escarp]

Mauga has his 2 heards, and Doomfist had his gauntlet

[hushed jetty]

i imagine he's only gotten stronger since then but still

[warped tartan]

Is Dva transgender

[peak escarp]

no

[warped tartan]

I saw a article saying that Dva is trans

[peak escarp]

don't trust everything you read on the internet

none of the current heroes are transgender

Venture (the next hero coming in season 10) will be the first

it's not any valid speculation anyway

[zenith mango]

Go to the practice range, turn out master volume to 100, sound effects to 0, music to 0, and in-game voice volume to 100. Choose sigma and use his rock, grasp and ultimate

[peak escarp]

?

and?

that's been there forever

what question?

[lavish vessel]

Oh that’s sick, I don’t play sigma like at all so I’ve never heard it lol

[past copper]

That’ll be interesting

[fresh rock]

https://tenor.com/view/not-quite-my-tempo-jk-simmons-fletcher-whiplash-thats-not-my-tempo-gif-18304680

I think it's a bit unnecessary

But if we learn more about the Yokai gang, that would be nice

[peak escarp]

it's set before the gang was formed

Ryouta, Nobuto and Sakura don't recognize Kiriko

https://www.corocoro.jp/episode/14079602755562986214

it's only in Japanese, but I was able to read it

[worn latch]

Still waiting for the lw sym comic about Vishkar academy smh

[past copper]

It’ll come out in English eventually. But regardless, cool to gain some lore on this little group

[golden oak]

Mercy to Moira: “omg how can you be so cruel?!”

Also mercy to junk who has serious complications from exposure to radiation: “SHUT UP 🤬”

[twilit patrol]

[ruby ridge]

I just realised

Is Ashe supposed to be albino?

[dense nebula]

Probably

White hair

Red eyes

Pale skin

[golden oak]

And a hat

[dense nebula]

And a coat

[hushed jetty]

and a gun

[twilit patrol]

And a bomb

[lavish vessel]

And a B.O.B.

[golden oak]

https://tenor.com/view/hair-bob-hair-bob-neck-dance-gif-15060329

[lavish vessel]

LMAO wrong bob

[ionic canopy]

Mei got that dark backstory ong no wonder she's a demon in game (I posted this in the wrong discussion lmao)

[lavish laurel]

Oh dude I never thought of this

[clear marlin]

LOL

[worn latch]

Huh

That's actually interesting

[ruby ridge]

I just noticed the similarities today

[honest trail]

How did people never notice that?

[clever basalt]

yknow
replaying the OW2 story missions makes me question is overwatch ever gonna defeat null sector

[hushed jetty]

presumably

[clever basalt]

hope so, cuz i dont think destroying one big ah robot is enough to say ''the invasion is over''. It'll be more like ''the invasion is over...for now''

[spare fox]

I have noticed a trend with a lot of recent villainous characters having red (iris) eyes

Mauga, Junkerqueen, Ashe

Not a lot but it's weird it happened 3 times

And Sombra has purple eyes which is unusual

[merry token]

I mean, genji has red eyes too

[spare fox]

Yeah? I thought they were brownish from what I remember

[cinder belfry]

i think it depends on which skin you took if i remember well

[spare fox]

In Dragons they're brown with maybe a little hazelish

[cinder belfry]

Yeah but i feel like they change his pupils every human like skin shown

[merry token]

They were red in blackwatch, def could have changed though

[echo monolith]

She taking her anger out

[golden oak]

Also Moira, Well 1/2

[worn latch]

She got the Bowie eyes

[tacit stirrup]

Can we have a serious discussion about the ethical and moral implications of Null Sector's invasion in Overwatch 2? We know that Null Sector is a militant omnic liberation group that utilizes violent methods to achieve omnic rights. Its forces are almost entirely comprised of robotic drones manufactured in an omnium under the direction of Ramattra, one of its original founders and currently its sole leader. They were decried as terrorists by the Shambali Order following the King's Row Uprising, going underground until their re-emergence. How far is too far, and do you think Null Sector's use of violence to achieve their ends is justified?

[peak escarp]

I don't think their use of violence is justified

negotiating peace and equality without violence is possible

[spare fox]

I agree with Doc, however I do want to present the issue that omnics are a finite race. They can't just settle for scraps and crumbs of justice in hopes that their children's or children's children will one day be allowed at the table. If they are killed to violence against omnics, that's the omnic race getting just that much smaller. That's why Ram is taking such a drastic measure and taking away free will from omnics

[peak escarp]

even more reason Ramattra shouldn't be provoking violence against omnics

the average person won't know that all his units are drones - they're going to assume it's omnics attacking humanity again, and retaliate against innocent omnics just trying to live their lives

just look at the reaction some people had after 9/11 - how countless Middle-Eastern and Muslim families were discriminated against

heck even Sikh people suffered, which shows you how little people care about being accurate with their racism

Ramattra should be doing his utmost to preserve what few omnics there are, not inciting violence against them

[hushed jetty]

i think him being so drastic makes a lot of sense and is just a tiny bit based if it weren't for the fact that he's. basically anubis 2

[haughty drift]

No, Null Sector's use of violence is not justified. Violent methods only cause more violence and suffering, and it is essential that humans and omnics communicate peacefully and understand each other's perspectives to reach out a sustainable solution. Null Sector's actions are detrimental to the progress that can be achived through nonviolent means, as they sow the seeds of division and misunderstanding that prevent productive dialogue.

[opaque tundra]

I’m predicting it now: this is the exact point Zen is gonna bring up and Ramattra has to learn it the hard way

[haughty drift]

I kinda think this is where we'll get to see Ramattra's character develop and learn the lesson Zenyatta already knows

[muted kite]

Honestly, I think his decision to take free will away from omnics is the most poorly-written aspect of his character by far. It makes no sense for his character, felt like the writers just made him do it so the audience knows he's bad.

[spare fox]

I think Ram is doing it to take control of them and get them to "fight for their rights"

And I'm not saying it's the right thing to do

[muted kite]

What good is a bunch of soulless automatons going to do for him though? If he needs more footsoldiers, he has an apparently-limitless supply of omnic drones and carriers.

[spare fox]

Idk and it kind of sucks there's an undetermined amount of time before we find out why

[muted kite]

And the invasions simply don't make sense strategically. The invasion of King's Row was ostensibly to create a safe haven for omnics, but even though Ramattra now has an army that seems to rival the combined militaries of entire continents, he doesn't use that army to actually help omnics in any discernible way.

[spare fox]

He thinks he's saving omnics, it's already been brought up by characters that it doesn't make sense so it's been flagged

We never seem to get the whole story, which can be infuriating and frustrating when a part of the story doesn't progress for years

[muted kite]

I have a feeling it's going to be a disappointment. I mean, there are real-world rebel groups that fought for their people's liberation- and won- and were better off for it. Null Sector isn't being framed like that. The atrocities they're committing- especially against their own people- would make most of those groups look soft by comparison.

[spare fox]

Yeah it's hard to make a call on the quality before we get the whole story

But instead of disappointment, we get frustration at the long tracks of time between things being progressed and even longer before any resolution

[pastel stirrup]

nah i don't think he'd need to use civillian omnic bodies to fight for him when he's already got more powerful null sector bots
we heard torb say 'it's like the essence of who he is, is gone' when trying to remove the device on that one omnic's head so
my speculation is that ramattra's plan is to use those devices to stow away all the omnic 'souls' on the planet while he can wreak havoc on humans without worrying about omnic collateral
and then put the souls back in their respective bodies when the war is over ig. something like that

[pastel stirrup]

what do you think abt this as a plan^^

[hushed jetty]

thats not a bad theory actually

[keen summit]

hes not anubis 2 at all totally different motives

[hushed jetty]

not in terms of motive but in the sense that they're doing similar things

army of mindless drones attacking the entire world

[keen summit]

well sparking a war yeah

[keen summit]

yea

[hushed jetty]

in case anyone wanted it i added mauga to the birthday calendar

[lavish vessel]

He’s so lonely in August :(

[past copper]

Merry Christmas! Feliz Navidad! Happy Kwanzaa! Happy Hanukkah! Hope everyone has enjoyed their holidays and hope they have a Happy New Year!

[fresh rock]

As to you, friend. 🙏

[hushed jetty]

venture better be another august baby fr

[cedar stump]

do we know anything about venture yet besides the archaeology site in Petra

[merry mason]

Canadian

[quick grail]

christmass and navidad is the same

[hushed jetty]

canadian

that's it

[past copper]

And…? Is that all…?

[quick grail]

Yes, what else?

[wraith cloak]

Oooo apparently Mei has a new voice line where she mentions a friend named Jiayi that works for Lucheng Interstellar, the company that made Horizon. Could that be space rangers name?

[spare fox]

It's possible

[peak escarp]

not likely if she's from the Mars colony

[ashen quail]

I would think so

[ashen quail]

CANADIAN les a go we need more 🙂

[peak escarp]

I'm hoping they're first nations or metis or inuit

[stray nebula]

Lf plat tank/Diamond

[jagged mortar]

wrong channel

[nimble dagger]

Okay so, I do have a question regarding Junkerqueen’s lore. Most people know that she just despises omnics, but is there some point in her lore that tells us why? Or does she just hate them for the fun of it? Id really appreciate an answer because this has had me curious for a while!!

[jagged mortar]

Not very knowledgable with lore but heres what I know:
The australian government took land from farmers and people living some areas and gave them to the omnics as a form of peace, the people didnt agree so they attacked the omnium which is the omnics factory, and it resulted in a nuclear device in the factory exploding destroying the entire area. So she hates omnics because they caused all that destruction and the wasteland that formed following it.

[nimble dagger]

OHHH THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! I never knew that even happened, tysm for the response! I really appreciate it

[jagged mortar]

yw

[keen summit]

I disagree, new countries should be represented, we got another aussie, another japanese and one canadian. Lately we've gotten 2 new nationalitues, one again canadian and 1 samoan (forgot about the supports i just realised)

[keen summit]

U mean venture? Sadly confirmed canadian

[fresh rock]

See, that's a problem. Saying that means we'll most likely keep getting brand new characters.

[peak escarp]

yes

Venture is Canadian

but they could be First Nations, Metis or Inuit, based on their appearance

[keen summit]

I know. But they could just introduce them beforehand

Build em up

[fresh rock]

I see your idea.
But the problem is that they tend to not do that.

[keen summit]

They jusr arent building them up for no reason

I mean. Venture is canadian and not truely built up

[fresh rock]

Obviously because some are last second

Illari IS last second

Sigma IS last second

[keen summit]

Yeah where was it confirmed illari was

[fresh rock]

Both have convoluted lore, and are moreso just 'there".

A great example of a new hero we got is Mauga.
New Nationality + in lore presence

[keen summit]

Hes also the only one with buikd up to release

[peak escarp]

giving Venture a different ethnicity would help give them a different identity from the other Canadian hero

[keen summit]

Eh its not hard to be different from soj

Her everything is basic

Personality n stuff

[peak escarp]

being Metis or Inuit would also make them different from Pharah

[fresh rock]

Most likely due to him being replaced in 2019. Without that, he'd simply go hand and hand with Baptiste.

[keen summit]

That too

But he also was supposed to be s2 hero

Rama wouldve made much more sense in s8

[fresh rock]

Season 6.

[keen summit]

Nah, give people time to speculate

If you release the main villain with it it destroys mystery

Give people time to go who is this

It kinda ruined the allure in the second mission

But mauga is the only one with any build up which is sad

[fresh rock]

I feel as if, for 2024, once they release the second batch of PvE, they should do it without the hero in the Battle Pass

[keen summit]

Unless u count the peru poster

[fresh rock]

Evens out the hype.

[keen summit]

Tbf i think it was very obvious what they were doing

[fresh rock]

Also, hope we get snippets of lore from the three coming this year before they release

[keen summit]

S6 was meanf to be the big season, notice how every season was either hero or map / ganenode? S5 had none of either and s6 had hero, mode, and pce

They likely moved flashpoint to s6 to make ot extra big, so i think there will be a "big season tm" each year

[fresh rock]

It was hyped up, yes, but the outcome was a bit messy.

This next batch could be good though.

[keen summit]

Ngl tho still crazy that mauga was this long in the works yet has no legendary base skins

[fresh rock]

Shhhhh

We'll get it next season.

Mid season earliest.

[keen summit]

Still crazy

Like

Again just doesnt make sense

Epic skin missing for a not hyped hero

Sure

Like illari got her origin story later than release so i kinda exoect it. But mauga was very built up, very long dev time and 2 really solid lore skin choices which most base legendaries are

[fresh rock]

Pshhhh you're going off

They're most likely saving the Hawaiian shirt for Sunmer Games

[keen summit]

Nah doubt it

[fresh rock]

Talon suit makes sense for the two legendaries

[keen summit]

We havent gotten any lore skina in shop since ow2

[fresh rock]

And an epic skin for his actual Talon work (Black shirt, shades..)

[keen summit]

We have actually seen 2 hawaiiab shirts

In his sprays he has a blue one too

Hawaiian is likely base, talon will be in a talon mega bundle thing is what im guessing

IF they add both

Cuz well, the only kinda lore skin was more of a reference with the wibston harold skin

[fresh rock]

I was a little frustrated when the Twitch Drop was the Sombra Talon skin, I was hoping for the Talon Mauga skin, but alas, it's fine

[keen summit]

Pn that note

They also stopped doing that. With rama snd kiriko u could get free legendary twitch drop

For the recolors of base legendary

Blozz didnt adress it either

But ngl most boring release was still illari, awfull marketing, awfull lore relevence and her kit is basic as hell

[fresh rock]

She's freelance

[keen summit]

I mean she has potential in lore to be like dva, no connections but koins ow

Still dont getcwhy some say "i think she might join talon cuz shes a serial killer" like buddy, no

[mental gale]

That’s the twitch drop for this season?

[fresh rock]

Mmmmhm

First half supposedly

[fresh rock]

Highly unlikely

[keen summit]

Her entire character is redemption, joining overwatcg seems like most likely path

[jagged mortar]

I agree with all your points except the boring part, I gotta say illari is extremely fun to play

[jagged mortar]

Yeah rn what I want most is illari lore

[keen summit]

No no shes fun, hrr kit is boring in design

[jagged mortar]

And I wanna know what happened in the zen cinematic at the end of PVE

[jagged mortar]

Yeah its kinda basic, true

[jolly vapor]

Sounds like they aren't really going to be doing that sort of PvE anymore, at least not on a regular basis

[keen summit]

Nah they likely are we just atent getting anythibg promised cuz last timr backfired

[quick grail]

Feel lucky if we have one pve mission in 2024,they are just doing nothing

[leaden galleon]

I wouldn't just confidently say they're doing nothing

[twilit patrol]

We’re not even in 2024

But you always come here to say something like ‘’they’re doing nothing’’

I can’t do something for you

[quick grail]

Well I wouldn't say they are doing nothing if they just show something, the "we are doing a lot but is a surprise and don't want to show it" excuse I don't buy it

[past copper]

Seriously get this guy outta here. Acting like an entitled to knowing everything and claiming nonsense when they don't get what they want. Ridiculous fr

They are working on PvE and if they want to surprise the player base with them, they can

Given they already dropped a decent amount of info regarding an upcoming map and heroes, then please let the PvE be a surprise to us

[tepid edge]

honestly I just want blizzard to at least pretend they care about the story of the OW universe and all the characters in the franchise

if that means they do a 180 with the PVE then so be it

[peak escarp]

what makes you think they don't care?

is 8 years of lore content not enough?

[past copper]

If they didn't care, why drop lore on a decently monthly basis

[tepid edge]

The PVE and the story was why the vast majority of ppl wanted to get the game

Over promising and under delivering on what they announced destroyed a lot of people’s trust

That was their main way to get as much of the lore out as they can since those animated shorts only come out so often

[peak escarp]

that doesn't mean they don't care

corporate is to blame for under delivering, not the devs

[past copper]

Which they ARE getting and in a better way compared to an entire story that would be played ONCE n never touched again

[peak escarp]

the devs did the work, and had it mostly ready

[tepid edge]

I mean the game as it is now is just a reskin of the original with different monetization, the invasion events aren’t much different from the archives events

[peak escarp]

it's a sequel

it's not going to be a completely different game

[tepid edge]

I’d love nothing more than to be wrong ofc and they turn it around sometime soon

But honestly the way they just broke a lot of people’s trust is why I have my grievances about this game and about blizzard

[past copper]

The Invasion Missions are bigger than archive, which was literally just the maps as they are

Example being Toronto being bigger than its regular map

And the Underworld mission using a new area that was locked before

And next PvE missions are bound to be big too. You can see the India map is big already

And broke people's trust?

[peak escarp]

the story missions we're getting are the same story missions they promised us

[past copper]

You acting like Blizzard did the same thing as those people who dropped that recently released than removed game

[peak escarp]

the only thing missing is the hero missions

[past copper]

What was it called again

The Day Before

Devs said they worked on it for YEARS n what they released was nothing they showed in the teasers with multiple problems

Removed after 4 days but nobody got their money back as the team who made it declared bankruptcy. They scammed everyone wanted to play it

Blizzard didn't do that with Overwatch 2. So please stop acting like they have

[spare fox]

I wish there was a little more transparency on the story/lore. It's almost always randomly dropped and you never know what it's going to be next or when it'll be released. I really appreciate them branching out into other mediums- I actually love that - but more consistency would be welcome

[merry mason]

Yeah

[outer forge]

yes king

[quick grail]

why you keep acting like everything i said is an invention made by me? isnt true nothing was announced at blizzcon and they stopped even mentioning pve after the awful missoins they have already made in 2019? isnt true the incompetent executive produceer had an interview last week where he pretty much said pve is death and there is no plan for a constant relase of missions or story or lore or anything and if we have one single missions some year will be the same thing of archive with nothing special added? why you trust blizzard after they lied for years about pve launch? why im the person who is on the wrong for not being a fool trusting blizzrd? hell, he said they are still experimenting on this game and have still no clue what to do, he said it, not me, is not an assumption

https://www.dexerto.com/overwatch/overwatch-2-producer-reveals-what-to-expect-from-pve-modes-in-2024-2437094/ dont trust me, trust the executive producer who says nothing at all

[ruby ridge]

Read your own source like?? “It’s not known exactly where the devs intend to take the story considering Invasion ended with a cliffhanger, but previously released footage has given players some ideas of what the next mission could be.”

[peak escarp]

isnt true nothing was announced at blizzcon and they stopped even mentioning pve after the awful missoins they have already made in 2019?
Incorrect

isnt true the incompetent executive produceer had an interview last week where he pretty much said pve is death and there is no plan for a constant relase of missions or story or lore or anything and if we have one single missions some year will be the same thing of archive with nothing special added?
Incorrect

[silk lark]

PVE was said to be continued later in 2024, why would they talk about something a year out

[past copper]

Bro just get a mod to either permanently mute or kick them for spamming false info

I don't know where they think they're getting their info from, but nothing they say is the least bit accurate or true

[quick grail]

why would they promote pve and the campaign when they already cancelled the thing months before ow2 launch?

[quick grail]

but them what they show at blizzcon? "we are working on it" is not a thing

[quick grail]

neither incorrect or correct, im assuming things? maybe, they have show im not correct? no

[quick grail]

the blizzcon and the interview with the executive producer, they show nothing

[twilit patrol]

[peak escarp]

you said they stopped mentioning PvE after 2019. they did not
you said Jared Neuss said PvE was dead. he did not

[twilit patrol]

[silk lark]

how is it cancelled if it released?

They stated late 2024 more content would release

[twilit patrol]

Yeah they're just taking their times to release them

[past copper]

Seriously, bro is just flat out denying PvE even exists

Oh wait, what’s that released in August and still available in shop? Invasion? Yup it is. And they stated first hand upon releasing Invasion that more PvE would not be released until late 2024

So. You’re wrong and should just stop while you’re ahead. Actually… you’re months behind on the PvE Cancelled argument

[merry mason]

Yeah I don’t understand how people still say PvE still doesn’t exist. Can you say it sucks or it’s disappointing? Yeah. But it literally is right there in the game you can play it whenever you want. Is it lackluster? Yes, but it’s at least there.

[ruby ridge]

anyone else feel like venture will have ties to the tank coming

idk I feel like the tank feels very mole like

And venture being the whole underground thing aswell

The duo relationship went really successful with baptiste and mauga everyone liked it so

Could maybe be the same with them and the tank

[twilit patrol]

The problem is that he won't listen to us

He came here to tell bullshits thrice

[quick grail]

so, what they show on blizzcon?

[twilit patrol]

They just said the next is coming in 2024 that's all

If we'll get more it will be later

[past copper]

Sure. Let’s talk bout Blizzcon months after they’d already said PvE was for later in 2024. Let’s listen to the guy who clearly gets a majority of info from streamers instead of the actual people who make the game

[spare fox]

Heroes Ascendent is scheduled to be released early March so that is likely putting other minor characters in place during the events during Invasion

They've been surprising us with content a lot so probably something games wise after that. Not right after but after that

[noble pendant]

Is Illari a Talon associate in some way?

1. She is young and in an emotional state so easy to take advantage of
2. Sombra interaction about her being worried that Illari is "taking on to much" and that she'll "send her the relevant details"
3. Multiple elimination voice lines, healing voice lines and other mid-combat lines where she recognizes Moira and acts as if she's been experimented on

[opaque scroll]

Voice line implication is not part of the lore, and she has not been implied to be such in official lore bits afaik

Voice lines are sort of "what ifs"

[hushed jetty]

i certainly wouldnt ignore the voice lines though bc they do seem to imply something

i just am not sure what

[gritty pendant]

Not sure about it, but it would be interesting

[spare fox]

she has likely asked Sombra to share dirt she has dug up on Porterro/Lumerico and Vishkar

just a guess since the two companies are working together and branching out and both companies have checkered pasts and influence in the energy and light resource area, same as the Inti people

[leaden galleon]

Her voiceline for eliminating Reaper would suggest she at least knows that he's suffering from being experimented on by Moira or she knows his backstory

But keeping in mind what Veskari said here #lore-discussion message , it probably means nothing as far as where she falls in the lore

[twilit patrol]

Reaper is suffering of his powers?

[leaden galleon]

He has interactions with Moira where he talks about being in pain, yes

[twilit patrol]

That's weird

[leaden galleon]

Moira brushes it off as no big deal

[twilit patrol]

It's like he got used of this pain

[lavish vessel]

He’s in a constant state of his cells decaying and regenerating, that interaction with moira is one of the cooler ones imo

[twilit patrol]

I don’t really remember that interaction

I didn’t put the game in english

Only the text

[sinful wolf]

Rein’s origin story is extremely cool

[vivid harbor]

Picture of Cassidy on Route 66 lore

[heady sentinel]

60 second lore on kiriko?

[quick grail]

now you spread false information, you should be baned, i never used streamers as info and i will never, i hate streamers, i literally used official info from the godamn executive prducer, a person who i think or should be making the game, even if he seems so out of touch with the game

[past copper]

You can’t prove anything you say, not a single person believes you, and you should be banned for both spreading false information and not including anything in lore discussion. All you do is come in here to bitch at all us for disagreeing with you and your false information

[quick grail]

Are you implying the executive producer is spreading false information? But you said we can trust him

[past copper]

You clearly have no proof of anything you say. Give it up and go home

[quick grail]

So the interview and blizzcon didn't happen? Funny, I could swear I saw the one hour long interview and the blizzcon presentation where nothing about the pve was announced

[past copper]

Funny. We keep seeing you bitch about something that does exist. Invasion. PvE. Story. And you denying it exists. Show proof of it being dead or shut up. Nothing wrong with giving up with dignity

[fresh rock]

Must you lash out at the lore community?

[past copper]

And funny thing. The PvE they wanted were the hero missions. Not lore related at all actually. So it’s curious what they’re doing here in lore-discussion with such nonsense

[quick grail]

Wowow insults, you are breaking the second rule, you should be baned. The archives missions we should get in 2020-21-22 sold for $15 wit no replay value are not the pve promised, ergo don't exist, but I'm not even talking about that I don't know why you mention that, I'm talking about future pve, nothing announced. Is that a lie? And no, the "we are working on it" don't count, I said the same thing to my thesis assessor and didn't took it on account

[past copper]

Okay. Sleep on whatever you want. Nobody is on your side in here. You only come here bc you know nothing you say will be acknowledged anywhere else on this server

[gritty pendant]

If there would be an OW series (like the one about first Omnic Crysis), whose lore or look on the situation would you like to see the most?

Or would you like a few perspectives or just each episode only about different hero?

I know it's kinda old question, but kinda wanna know

[indigo skiff]

tbh everything like the whole time line of events

what about you?

[gritty pendant]

To me, I would like to see sorta two series. One would be with only hero's lore episodes, and second, well, the timeline as well

It's much, but it would help in establishing the whole picture and why some things are there

[spare fox]

I like the idea of a series of shorter vignette-style stories focusing on one or a couple heroes at a time that all come together to tell a larger story. Like the recent Mauga one for example.

[soft spindle]

I like this style.

[spare fox]

Yeah kind of like the MCU but instead of full movies, just 5-10 min shorts that are all part of a bigger story altogether

I guess Arcane kind of did similar but they were edited into more traditional-style episodes

[muted kite]

I can't say I like OW's storytelling, for the most part it's been all setting and no plot. It's been 7 years and we've only recently progressed past Winston's Recall.

[spare fox]

I do like it but what I don't like is how they hold soooo much back

[soft spindle]

I like shorts that culminate to something because they are strong standalone, but can later be mashed together for an enjoyable watch.

[spare fox]

Like they're saving it for later but later never comes and instead more loose ends and unanswered questions get added to the pile

8 years later there are still unanswered questions and loose ends from even before launch

[muted kite]

Yeah, that's what happens when your story is all setting and no plot. Characters are introduced and then left in stasis for years at a time.

There's rarely, if ever, an interest in trying to tie it all together into a cohesive, condensed narrative.

[spare fox]

Right, for instance Zenyatta, who has been there from launch, is still one big question mark. We know more about roadhog, who just wants to be left alone, than we do about Zenyatta

[peak escarp]

I used to say "what's there to know?" since Zenyatta was just a monk (and only 20 years old)

but they've made him older than the crisis now and alluded to his past somewhat, so now I'm curious about his past

hopefully they go into it when he gets featured in the story

which we know he will be soon

[vapid tusk]

me when i realize 2024 can be considered "soon"

[peak escarp]

?

[spare fox]

I get it both ways lol 2024 is literally next week. But also, if they don't follow up on the Zen story from the end of Gothenburg mission soon, it wouldn't be the first time they didn't "immediately" follow up on something they set up

[peak escarp]

it would be weird to leave the story missions off on that cliffhanger then go do something else in the next mission

Zen's in trouble in India? next mission is in Midtown

[lime dirge]

Heyy

[twilit patrol]

Who knows

[hushed jetty]

ngl id prefer it to be about the golden age of ovw

we currently dont have any cinematics set during that time

[peak escarp]

I agree

we have basically the entire omnic crisis explained in Declassified

we know very little about Golden Age missions

[spare fox]

See, I'm ok with filling that info in as the "present-day" story progresses

I don't think we need another Genesis-style short

[twilit patrol]

Reinhardt cinematic?

Even if it's just one

[hushed jetty]

that is not during the golden age

[peak escarp]

?

[twilit patrol]

huh

My bad

[hushed jetty]

that is during the crisis

[peak escarp]

yeah that's set during the crisis

[twilit patrol]

Yeah I thought it was the crisis

[peak escarp]

but I guess there isn't much to tell during the Golden Age

successful missions aren't as interesting

[hushed jetty]

there's gotta be something, we just got a whole bunch of info from declassified im sure theres some story to tell

[peak escarp]

as controversy and missions that went sideways

[hushed jetty]

maybe like

ok bear with me here

a series where each episode focuses on one member of ovw during the golden age

[twilit patrol]

But yeah I agree

[hushed jetty]

could be documentary style, could be something else

[peak escarp]

if they were going to do a GI Joe, "Monster of the week" style series it would probably be set in the Golden Age

canonically, such a series exists in-universe

it's called "Overwatch Adventures" and it's the show Efi grew up watching

[hushed jetty]

they could just give us the canon overwatch cartoon 💀💀

[peak escarp]

although Winston is the main character in that series, so maybe it's not quite Golden Age

more like a fictionalized version of Golden Age

I doubt a kid's show would show the reality of the Venice Incident and other controversial missions

[hushed jetty]

it wouldnt be very helpful for lore but itd be funny

[ruby ridge]

LUCIO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TALON

WAAAAA

IM SHAKING AND CRYING RN

[golden oak]

Huh

Where you got that info from

[ruby ridge]

His concept ser

ser

Att

[peak escarp]

he was not

his concept art doesn't mention Talon at all

[ruby ridge]

I’ve been misinformed

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-falling-breaking-bad-dm4uz3-gif-18078549

[golden oak]

TikTok’s another victim

I could only see junkers being in talon, or Ashe

[ruby ridge]

twitter this time

by a avid Lucio main

[peak escarp]

he also wasn't "originally Canadian"

as many people claim

he likes hockey because the devs like hockey (and because he has skates)

[leaden galleon]

I don't think it would make sense for the junkers to work with Talon. Ashe is a bit more complicated, but I'm leaning towards her not being a good fit either. Heroes Ascendant might give us a better idea

[peak escarp]

Ashe likes being her own boss

she wouldn't fall in line with Doomfist

although he might recruit her as an ally and equal

[golden oak]

Oh right I forgot junkers are racist and there’s max in talon

[leaden galleon]

That and Null Sector

[golden oak]

Ram isn’t technically a part of talon

[leaden galleon]

He's not, but he essentially agreed to work with them

The junkers wouldn't approve of the relationship

[merry token]

Which one

[twilit patrol]

Yeah and in the last short, they litterally stolen the data from a Null Sector ship.

That's really weird

[past copper]

Well, he mention Doom wanted to use it for something

What that something is remains unclear, but given it’s something Doom is planning to use…

That thing could power an entire ship. If Talon gets it, there’s no telling how they could utilize it

[soft spindle]

This is my favourite channel to read so far.

[half ocean]

Fr

[half ocean]

I want to know how it works like i wish ow provided more info about the little details and non character items

[past copper]

Well, maybe little things don't matter until they're absolutely relevant

Currently the only relevant thing is stopping Null Sector than soon enough dealing with Talon

[half ocean]

Yeah but still :>

[sullen ingot]

Is junker queen the only character who can canonically break the 4th wall?

[hushed jetty]

why is everyone so caught up on the fact she breaks the 4th wall in her cinematic

[fierce depot]

https://tenor.com/view/junkerqueen-overwatch-overwatch2-junkerqueen-overwatch-junker-queen-overwatch2-gif-25976330

[sullen ingot]

Because nobody else does it

I don’t think so anyway

[hushed jetty]

yeah but i dont think its a canon piece of lore

just a storytelling device

[sullen ingot]

It’s canon in my eyes

[golden oak]

I think it’s just to highlight her personality

[noble pendant]

a lot of cinematics are more serious bits of lore and it's been a while since they tried to actually have some fun

but the queen cinematic is strange cause they have elements of seriousness but also borrow a lot of the style from the junkrat and roadhog in-engine cinematic (or maybe I just like australians)

on another note, I've been looking into Illari a lot and it feels like people missed stuff with her since the invasion stuff came out pretty much at the same time

[twilit patrol]

I don't think she really brakes the 4th wall

For me it's just a cinematic that's all

[past copper]

I kinda think it’s a small reference to Jinx

Technically in that one animated short with Jinx talking to the 4th wall via camera

The two characters share similarities after all

[lavish vessel]

They should give her an rocket launcher in game so she’s even more similar

[past copper]

They won’t

[lavish vessel]

Yeah ik

[noble pendant]

maybe for april fools

[lavish vessel]

Yesss, I’d love if they just swapped all the heroes weapons lol

[noble pendant]

queen just has pharah's launcher

oh god

[past copper]

Highly doubtful. Only AF is googly eyes

[noble pendant]

and ult voice lines

[peak escarp]

it's just for the short

she's not Deadpool

[spare fox]

it's just because she didn't have anyone to talk to and rather than having her narrate the exposition, they just had her talking to the camera

fwiw, it's been done in the comics before - Ana, Cassidy, Symmetra, and Roadhog all from what I remember do the 4th wall breaking in the comics

or rather, just narrating through their thoughts - but similar

[peak escarp]

that was narration, not fourth wall breaking

[twilit patrol]

Exactly what I think

It’s just for the short

[peak escarp]

also JQ doesn't look anything like Jinx

[twilit patrol]

And she’s the only character who brakes the 4th wall in a OW short

(I think?)

[past copper]

Technically, didn’t Sombra break the 4th wall

[twilit patrol]

I don’t think so

[peak escarp]

Sombra did with her boop at the end of Infiltration

[past copper]

Exactly

[twilit patrol]

Yeah I don’t really consider that scene like breaking the 4th wall

[past copper]

She’s not looking at a camera or another person. She looking dead at the audience

That’s breaking the 4th wall

[covert marsh]

I think its just a creative touch. I mean the same could be said about JQs cinematic. She was literally narrating the whole short

Talking to a audience

[spare fox]

Yeah but again, I just think it's a storytelling choice, like Genesis being in documentary style

[noble pendant]

Sombra booping the camera feels like a deliberate bone chilling touch to the short

JQ talking to the audience throughout the short feels lazy and breaks the rule of "show, don't tell"

[golden oak]

Why mercy has an “U” on her blaster button in the back

[past copper]

Bet the Scarab unit will appear in the New York story mission

[floral imp]

Orisa but melee?

[past copper]

Appears to be a medium sized unit with a pair of blades and speedy attack patterns

Probably the Null Sector equivalent of the Talon Assassin

[urban reef]

im lore and u are discussion

[hollow summit]

winton is monkey

[twilit patrol]

No joke

[golden oak]

Actually he’s a gorilla
And a scientist

[hollow summit]

monkey mhm

[golden oak]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-crying-walter-dying-gif-20964719

[hollow summit]

thank you snookums

[half ocean]

wow really 0-0 *shocked

[young mulch]

why does overwatch keep kicking me out the game saying rendering loss????

[zinc jackal]

I needed to scream somewhere so...

In a bout of frustation at my latest match as rein I decided to do some googling. Rein is 7'4" while wearing enough armor for him to be classified as a litteral tank. This gargantuan man wields a equally large hammer that is propelled by rockets, to be specific 3 separate ones on the back of the hammer. Rein deftly wields this hammer with the power of said rockets to destroy swathes robots as if their nothing in the animatics (the same robots as bastion who you need to hit 3 or so times in game to kill).... Genji is a scrawny 5'6" Japanese man who wields a knife, a sword, and some shurikens. With the knife and the sword he can block many things in the game, like fire and Rein's likely several ton rocket hammer

i dont like this game

genji does the equivalent of me pushing a full speed car coming straight for me to the side like an anime character several times in a row without moving at all

this is a good game that makes complete sense

[hushed jetty]

if the game was 100% logical it would be ass

[vapid tusk]

pls rant on #overwatch-serious not here

[merry token]

Tbf genji is not scrawny and he’s mechanically enhanced

Technologically enchanted?

I understand it’s still unrealistic, it’s just that you’re butchering down genji to being less than what he is

[solemn turtle]

winton

[keen summit]

Genji can block literal gravitational vortexes, but cant deflect a rock

Stop thinking with logic

[past copper]

Why is there game talk in #lore-discussion

[keen summit]

Genjk can stop a winston primal punch but cant stop doom punch while prkmal is strobger

[keen summit]

Cuz hes talking bout the fame with lore

How it doesnt make sense genji can block rein strikes

[past copper]

And? Ping them elsewhere and talk there

[keen summit]

I replied to the message

I just explained that lore doesnt always apply to game

I talked bout game and lore differences, as well thats the thing theyre different

[steady cargo]

I have question about Sombra, she's obviously evil, about wanting to control everything, blackmail people and stuff

But of she's really like that why is she so nice toward Sigma ?

[desert yacht]

because evil isn't a black and white thing

she isn't some cartoon villain she's a character with greyscale morality

[steady cargo]

That's why i love Rammatra so much

[desert yacht]

she'll do terrible things to advance her own goals but she also has a ton of goals in the interests of others

especially the elderly and victims of oppression

she's definitely a villain in some rights but she has a number of heroic traits as well

if this was dnd alignment i'd put her chaotic neutral leaning slightly towards evil

[steady cargo]

Yeah

And in a sense they don't show her blackmailing innocent people, more like the powerful

But about mmorality and Grey zone i think Rammatra is really interesting too

[light pawn]

Hello guys, may someone please give me nitro so I can gift it to my friend?

[fresh rock]

Why are you.. asking the.. Lore channel?

[latent scarab]

doomfist or sigma

[robust gate]

The rock is really big to be fair

[pallid garden]

Is Mauga part of Talon or a random merc

[fresh rock]

He's in Talon, yes.

Currently freelance

[vocal cairn]

doomfist can destroy skyscrapers, but can't destroy a small wall of ice

[teal kiln]

Ice has density that can / and do wreck ships easily

[wheat estuary]

What can I say except

[vocal cairn]

theres a difference beetween an ice wall and an iceberg

[teal kiln]

That’s true, but we need to take into account that Mei has used it to fix infrastructure at her old lab

[vocal cairn]

fair

[keen summit]

he cant

atleast

its never shown

a KID said people SAID that he could

besides destroying skyscrapers is less impressive than u might believe

[vocal cairn]

i get what ur saying but destroying a skyscraper and not being able to punch through a wall of ice just doesn't add up

[peak escarp]

it's because of game balance

canon DF could easily punch through an ice wall

[rare trail]

canon DF Can punch through concrete without the gauntlet

[keen summit]

i know, but tbf like tons of shit dont add up

[acoustic ice]

i'm really starting to miss when season pass legendary skins had voice lines

when will they have voice lines again

it just feels so empty without them

just so mad since season 5 it's only the mythic skins with voice lines

[tacit stirrup]

We know that Soldier 76 takes his vitamins once a day, just after his steak dinner. But what vitamins does he take?

[spare fox]

So then why is his hair so brittle 🤔 /joke

[lime gyro]

Where do i read the comics

[twilit patrol]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/media/

[fiery lance]

@misty geode

[misty geode]

?

why did i get tagged 15 times

[steady cargo]

How does Doomfist finance the army, the giant warships that Rammattra uses for his war? Because from what we know there are drones and combat robots of all kinds at the cutting edge of technology and in immense quantities

I mean...Literally almost every capital city in the world is under attack from Sector Zero armada

That must cost a lot...

[peak escarp]

Talon has investments everywhere

[spare fox]

There's a lot of rich and powerful people in talon and connected to them

[peak escarp]

plus crime

[steady cargo]

Yeah but so much is just ridiculous

I know Vishkar is helping in secret

[peak escarp]

we don't know that for sure

[steady cargo]

But still it's a litteral army to invade on a global scale

[peak escarp]

we only know that Sanjay is a Talon leader

[steady cargo]

A dude working for Vishkar have been seen in a reunion of Talon during a comics

[spare fox]

I mean to an extent you do have to suspend your disbelief

[peak escarp]

yes

[steady cargo]

Yzah that dude

[peak escarp]

but only him

it's unknown whether the rest of Vishkar is working with Talon, or if Vishkar even knows of Sanjay's extracurriculars

[steady cargo]

I feel like all the 1% are investing into Talon, i mean...Weird

Rich people are weird

[peak escarp]

we haven't seen many rich people

[steady cargo]

I know that Doomfist is rich

[peak escarp]

Ashe's parents, but they're not working with Talon (that we know of)

Doomfist and his family

Maximilien

that's kinda it

[steady cargo]

They're at best bourgeois but not the 1%

Ash' parents

[steady cargo]

Yeah French for the win

[peak escarp]

how are they not 1%?

[steady cargo]

Not all bourgeois are part of the 1%,

[peak escarp]

they're the extremely wealthy owners of an arms company

[steady cargo]

Ah...

I thought they had ranches or something

[peak escarp]

they're also financial advisors to other rich people

Born into a wealthy family, Ashe grew up surrounded by privilege. Her parents owned the Arbalest Arms Company, a family business which had grown in power and scope during the Omnic Crisis. While the couple had little interest in weaponry or tech, they had become highly sought-after business consultants and coaches for the global elite.

[steady cargo]

I hate rich people

That's why i always had a pleasure to focus every Ashe in every games i saw one

But anyway ! I didn't know she was that rich...

[steady cargo]

?

Don't work for me

[peak escarp]

"You have to watch out for the 1%."

although that quote is probably about the 1% of bikers who are violent, not 1% rich people

[steady cargo]

Is Ashe an albino ?

Because...Red eyes, white hair, pale skin

[peak escarp]

it's never been clarified if she is or not

she could be

[steady cargo]

Funny

Would have been the first time i saw one in a vidéo game

.
Why is Lifeweaver not using his name in the english version ?

I play in french and his name is Vitali for me

[peak escarp]

not sure

[steady cargo]

What is the Anunis ?

I heard it was an AI

They're is many part of the lore i'm not aware of

[peak escarp]

Anubis

it's the god program that took control of all omnics and caused the omnic crisis

[steady cargo]

What ?

But...It means that Omnics don't have true sentience

I thought it was because of the Iris

[peak escarp]

that was before they gained sentience

they gained sentience through Aurora's sacrifice, which allowed them to break free of Anubis's control

[steady cargo]

And who is Aurora ?

I feel i missed a lot

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/a1rtqzDttrQ

this will explain it

[steady cargo]

K

But about Overwatch 2

Given that the PVE is canceled

Then no more lore ?

[peak escarp]

it's not canceled

we already got the first part

[twilit patrol]

And then the next is coming this year