lore-discussion

[dense nebula]

Cause no one got a Hou Yi skin

Even tho Hanzo would be perfect for Hou Yi

I know Chinese mythology better than I do CNY

[past copper]

Hoping to see these Talon units in the next story missions

The one with the shield looks like he uses a something like a frag launcher

Think they’d call that unit Talon Grenader

Idk for sure bout the drone. But if Null Sector has vultures, Talon could something like a drone too

[leaden galleon]

It would be a welcome addition to fighting them but I doubt they've worked on that stuff

Before Kaplan left he said they spent most of 2020 working on Null Sector

Probably takes a ton of time and resources to diversify PvE enemies even further

And knowing their priorities now (PvP first) they probably haven't done anything there

[past copper]

You do realize they are clearly working on Story Missions since there is literally a India Temple mission and one in Midtown right?

That features Talon as the enemies

They wouldn’t just use the same old Talon units if these maps are being used

[leaden galleon]

Yeah I saw

I'm not gonna be optimistic about it though because it's clear they just can't put in that same amount of effort anymore

[past copper]

And the few new units in New Blood wouldn’t have been shown if they weren’t on the concept board

They can. Bc they don’t have a greedy CEO holding them back anymore

[leaden galleon]

Kotick leaving is good but it's not gonna magically change everything overnight

I hope things will be better a year from now

[past copper]

They literally said Story Missions will return next year and given they will clearly focus on Talon, it only makes sense they have them working on the missions now

PvP and PvE teams work separately after all I believe

[leaden galleon]

They actively have to work on:

1. New heroes
2. New maps
3. Collabs
4. Battle Pass and Shop skins
5. Game and balance design

In addition to all the elements of PvE: Cutscenes, enemy art and AI, etc.

We'll see though. All I'm saying is I wouldn't have high expectations for PvE when you consider all the other stuff they're working on, and these things have higher priority

[past copper]

You do realize the collab ones are rare. They haven’t even said a collab every season

Not to mention, Mauga is the last hero for now until next year. All we have to go on the other two is concept and one kit

[leaden galleon]

Even if there's a collab every three months, there's still the work that goes into all the battle pass content. That's every 2 months

It's a heavy demand for the art team but they've been doing an incredible job so far

[past copper]

And they haven’t really said anything about a new map right now. But even then it could just be Gothenburg since it looks like either an escort or Push map

Not to mention balances only come after receiving feedback on certain heroes or bugs

[leaden galleon]

They're working on Hanaoka the clash map, as well as a push map for Peru

No idea if they intend to have Gothenburg be a PvP map

[past copper]

I keep forgetting Hanaoka. I’m just glad they’re bring back Hanamura in some form

[leaden galleon]

New maps would be for Season 9 and 11, respectively

Hopefully we get more Illari lore upon the release of the Peru map

[past copper]

I guess. Don’t get me wrong. Illari is fun to play, sometimes, n her background is interesting

But I need more lore before I can really like her. Where does she stand in the OWU

[gilded bloom]

I do hope so too. I’ve been waiting forever for more Illari lore.

[leaden galleon]

There's definitely more to her than what we've been given so far

Like the writers are apparently in love with what they've done for her

[peak escarp]

I'd like to see her become involved in the main plot

or at least connected to someone else

[gilded bloom]

I think about this often too because her lore is a bit isolated (both universe and herself) but if she were to join, it’ll be overwatch. I mean she hates Moira a lot (based on kills and when she heals)

Yeah, waiting for the day she’s more involved in the plot

[gilded bloom]

They also showcased a lot behind the scenes stuff too which is always cool to see

[leaden galleon]

So I never watched Illari's gameplay trailer before she came out, until now. Do they bother to make the teams in these trailers lore-accurate or no?

[leaden galleon]

Where?

[leaden galleon]

Probably just a coincidence and means nothing but 3 of her 4 teammates in the trailer are Talon affiliated

[peak escarp]

vaguely

just along good/bad lines

so Illari is more bad-aligned

[past copper]

It’s hard to tell. I mostly some the heroes up in these categories

It’s pretty simple to place members of Overwatch and of Talon, but others are trickier

For example, Ana would be neutral good while Jack I believe might be… chaotic good?

I think it depends on where his mentality currently stands right now in his hunt for those who brought down Overwatch

Others like Hanzo, Symmetra, Zenyatta, Lifeweaver, n Illari I think all stand in neutral. For now

[peak escarp]

those alignments are very subjective

[urban reef]

what's the meaning of lore?

[golden oak]

To give context why are the heroes fighting, give characters some depth

[worn latch]

Lifeweaver in chaotic good imo 🗣️🗣️

[peak escarp]

controversial take: Moira is chaotic neutral

[hushed jetty]

i dont think there's a single lawful hero in ovw 😭

[hushed jetty]

true i think

[peak escarp]

I would put Doomfist in Lawful Evil

he has a code that he follows

[hushed jetty]

ah true

[peak escarp]

Symmetra is definitely lawful neutral

[hushed jetty]

i forgot lawful isnt always Literally the law

[peak escarp]

order is her whole deal

yeah

"lawful" can mean the law, a code, or set of ethics, or just the concept of order

Ramattra would probably fall under LE too

most of the heroes would be NG or CG

[golden oak]

Why neutral

I feel like sombra would be chaotic neutral

[peak escarp]

because she doesn't care about the outcome of her experiments, she just does them for the sake of knowledge

[golden oak]

Isn’t that evil tho

[peak escarp]

evil intends to do harm

[worn latch]

No it would be evil if she wanted there to be a negative outcome

[peak escarp]

Moira doesn't intend to do harm

it just happens

[golden oak]

So why ramattra evil then

If he wants peace

[worn latch]

Because he's still actively trying to hurt people

[peak escarp]

because Ramattra is killing people to do it

[worn latch]

He wants people to get harmed because that's the only way he veiws it being able to get peace

If that makes sense

[golden oak]

But moira’s experiments were also harmful

[worn latch]

Yes but she doesn't actively intend for them to be harmful...

She just wants to experiment

I wonder if you'd consider junkrat chaotic evil or chaotic neutral

[golden oak]

Ok but like, if you don’t care then you kind of allow it

And she knows for a fact what she does can bring harm

It’s all in her voice lines even “pain is inevitable”

[golden oak]

Evil, he and Junkrat are terrorists

I mean he and Roadhog

[worn latch]

I don't think that fits Moira at all

[leaden galleon]

Sounds more like Mauga

[worn latch]

Mhm

[golden oak]

Well if that’s the case then ram shouldn’t be evil either

[worn latch]

This is CHAOTIC evil

[golden oak]

Because he has a cause

[worn latch]

Ramattra is LAWFUL evil

Lmfao

[golden oak]

So what is lawful

[worn latch]

Sometimes I really think ur trolling

[worn latch]

Bro...

Did u just ask me what lawful is

[golden oak]

Lawful evil I meant

[worn latch]

Okay

It's someone who has their own set of rules/code and will adhere by it no matter what other people think and if it goes against morals or human decency or whatever

It doesn't matter if it's evil or not

Like

[golden oak]

That sounds like moira then

[worn latch]

No..

She doesn't have a code

Or rules

She just likes to experiment

[golden oak]

Her code is human development isn’t it

I mean it can be a simple rule right

[worn latch]

That's more like a motivation I'd say

[hushed jetty]

that's not a code thats her goal

[worn latch]

Yes

[golden oak]

Ok then ram doesn’t fit because he has a goal and not a code

[hushed jetty]

a code is more like doomfist's philosophy of "conflict is the only way to make humanity evolve"

[worn latch]

I guess neutral evil could fit ram then

Maybe

But I still feel like lawful fits much better

[hushed jetty]

could put him under chaotic good tbh

[worn latch]

Absolutely not

😭😭😭

[golden oak]

I mean you could argue moira’s code is that scientific development shouldn’t be held back by moral rules

[hushed jetty]

he wants the best for his people but is willing to do whatever the fuck to get there

[worn latch]

Chaotic good literally is described to be morally good even if it doesn't fit the law

[golden oak]

Bruh this alignment doesn’t do well with overwatch heroes

[worn latch]

Yeah a lot of them don't fit well

[hushed jetty]

thats what happens when you have complex characters lmfao

[worn latch]

For example lifeweaver is 100% chaotic good

Like

There's no argument

[hushed jetty]

thats one way to describe it i guess

[golden oak]

Ok so what about Sombra? Chaotic neutral?

[hushed jetty]

im thinking of chaotic more as "doesnt follow a specific code" rather than just ignoring the law

[worn latch]

That's quite literally the definition

[hushed jetty]

prob

according to whom

[worn latch]

Chaotic GOOD

Killing humans and starting another war and being a terrorist isn't good !!

Just sayin

[hushed jetty]

i think that definition describes ramattra fairly well???? but whatev

[worn latch]

I mean if u think so

I just don't see him being aligned with anything "chaotic"

[golden oak]

Hammond would be just neutral, he’s just a hampter

If lawful is more like personal rules and beliefs then can someone who like committed some crime to do something good or like is a vigilante, be lawful good?

[worn latch]

Well

Lawful good is someone who shows that the law itself is necessary?

If that makes sense

Like Superman

I don't think anyone in ow is lawful good

[golden oak]

Pharah before joining overwatch

Because she was like a cop kinda

[peak escarp]

like I said, alignments are subjective

everyone interprets them differently

[golden oak]

Alright I did one with characters I think fit best each one

(Pharah before joining ow)

[peak escarp]

Orisa would fit lawful good

[golden oak]

Right I forgot about her

And probably a better example
But pharah was serving a similar purpose before so

Good neutral could be also any other ow vigilante

A lot of heroes would be good neutrals I feel like

[golden oak]

Alternative version

[hushed jetty]

seeing mauga in that picture was such a jumpscare idk why

[tacit stirrup]

Putting Orisa in lawful good after the things she's done to countless people in QP and comp is a crime

[hushed jetty]

talking abt lore not gameplay

[golden oak]

Ik but it’s lore channel 😭

[tacit stirrup]

You right you right

[golden oak]

The way sigma would be impossible to align

[fresh rock]

It's because of the saturation

[golden oak]

Because he’s being manipulated so

[golden oak]

Why they always make the most evil villains so attractive tho

[hushed jetty]

thats what im sayin.... like mauga?? RAMATTRA????? damn......

[dense nebula]

Sigma would be… neutral

But idk which neutral

[dense nebula]

True neutral? Because he believes they are simply supplying him with resources for his studies?

[golden oak]

Ik but like talon is using him to do evil possibly

[dense nebula]

But, he is unaware of it

[golden oak]

Yeah but that dynamic makes it not possible to align him because he’s just doing what talon orders him without his own will

Almost like he’s a tool and not his own person

[dense nebula]

That would place him true neutral then

Since he does not do it for good or evil, only doing what he’s ordered and unaware of the consequences of it

[golden oak]

Hmm

What about zen

[worn latch]

Lifeweaver mentioned

[worn latch]

Neutral good maybe?

[vivid storm]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[peak escarp]

I'd call him neutral good

[lost helm]

is s76 like a bad guy

actually tbh is s76 part of the new overwatch or is his sole purpose just to hunt reaper

[hushed jetty]

no to all 3 of those

he's a vigilante hunting the people who brought down the original overwatch, which includes reaper alongside many others

he's not part of the new overwatch at the moment but i wouldnt be surprised if the writers found a way to bring him back

[dense nebula]

Seems like they want to keep most of the OG members out

Sojourn, Torb, Soldier, Ana

Reaper for obvious reasons

[hushed jetty]

well rein is there but i see your point

[dense nebula]

Reinhardt only returned because he’s honoring his master

[lost helm]

isnt torb coming back

[dense nebula]

Nope

He flat out said he’s staying out in the PvE mode

[lost helm]

i couldve sworn i saw him in the recall trailer tho hm

guess i imagined it

[dense nebula]

He was in Recall

[lost helm]

eh

[dense nebula]

Just because you got called back doesn’t mean you respond to it

Sojourn is a prime example

[lost helm]

oh

ohh faham faham thank you

[topaz dirge]

Last thing I would think is soldier being a bad guy tbh

[past copper]

Again, I just think Jack is chaotic good right now

He’s hunting down anyone who had a hand in destroying Overwatch

And doing just about everything illegal to do so

Pretty sure thing only thing keeping him somewhat grounded his Ana

But keep in mind, people who walk a path of revenge always hurt others to achieve it

[topaz dirge]

Idk. When I watched soldiers cinematic the last thing I would think is him being bad. The man is fighting himself not to be good. That’s what I think at least.

[keen summit]

probs cuz he actively kills people, overwatch often second guesses it

[lost helm]

if im not mistaken didnt overwatch ( or blackwatch rlly ) panic when reaper shot the guy in the cinematic

maximillian or smth

but s76 is a vigilante kinda guy now right ? so it makes sense he doesnt have much qualms about killing

[past copper]

Depends. He hasn’t hurt anyone innocent yet, that we know of

But really, there’s no telling who all he’s hunting. Mostly appear to be Talon and anyone affiliated with them

[hushed jetty]

it was not maximilian, max is an omnic

the guy reyes shot was uhhhhhhhhh

antonio

[past copper]

But given the number of people on Talon’s payroll, it’s almost like anyone in positions of power is connected with them

But who knows. We won’t know much more about either Jack or Ana until the next novel drops

[topaz dirge]

Why is Widow in Talon even

Like what does she want

[hushed jetty]

she was kidnapped and turned into a sleeper agent to kill her husband

[topaz dirge]

Ik but does she gain anything

[hushed jetty]

after doing that she went back bc she had nowhere else to go, and she was conflicted abt the fact that killing him felt Really good

she's there bc what else is she supposed to do

[topaz dirge]

Ig so

[past copper]

She doesn’t have much choice. Talon turned her into a killing machine and it’s highly possible she’s trying to run from her actions to the only place she can

[topaz dirge]

Just some ppl in Talon benefit a lot more than others it seems

I personally do think that Sombra is inherently good. She does work for them but she isn’t a bad person per say

[past copper]

Well, Widowmaker and Sombra are just field agents really. The people who really gain anything are the council and, as we’ve seen in Baptiste’s stories, the people who raid homes of all their valuables

[topaz dirge]

Idk. Sombra seems to gain a lot more than widow does. She’s playing mind games with Talon

[past copper]

You have to understand, Talon is a terrorist group with people only out for themselves

[topaz dirge]

Ig so yeah

[past copper]

Hell, it’s not clear what named people in Talon want. Such as Reaper and Sanjay

[keen summit]

Not necessarilly

Doom himself us for humanity's evolution

Sanjay COULD believe in vishkars "perfect world" but thinks the old world needs to ne gone for it

Would be fitting

[topaz dirge]

Still Sigma/Sombra interactions are so sweet wth . Unexpected

[past copper]

Doom doesn’t give a damn about anyone. If he did, he wouldn’t want to start another war and go through with what is essentially mass genocide of the weak

Or turn an entire city built on peace between humans n omnics against each other

[keen summit]

Thats the thing tho, he wants humanity to evolve through ut, which has happened before with tech and its an martial artist type mindset. He wants humanity to be stronger as a whole

Sombra is more likely with talon cuz well, mire connections and she can be more covert without repercussions

[topaz dirge]

And thus he will never stop war since in his head humanity wil always have a room too “evolve”

[past copper]

She’s not covert. The council is more than aware of her actions after Reaper put a bug on her from their mission in Russia

[keen summit]

I meant in public eye

[past copper]

They just don’t care bc whatever she wants doesn’t affect them or their plans

[topaz dirge]

In reality i don’t think Doom cares at all about humanity

[keen summit]

And that there are missions that she can just get new contacts with

[past copper]

Doom certainly doesn’t seem to care about anyone as long as he can use others to get what he wants

[keen summit]

He cares about his types, peopld like reaper, moira, mauga, people who are stronger than normal

[topaz dirge]

He likes them yeah. Does he care about them. I highly doubt that.

[keen summit]

Basically he thinks the weak are worthless, its very cliche but it shows that he has a flawed mindset

[keen summit]

Oh no i dont mean care like would protect them

[past copper]

He’s tried to turn a peaceful city against each other through fear. He’s manipulated Gabriel into turning against Overwatch. And he’s obviously only using Ramattra to get the war he so desperately wanted

[keen summit]

I meant those are the type of people he thinks about

[topaz dirge]

Oh yeah

[keen summit]

Mauga was a normal ripped human

But cheated death and became huge thanks to enhancements

That doom would see as evolving

Think of it like this

If humanity cant won vs null sector, humanity would lose against their own creations, doom sees it like that, they got weak

[past copper]

Well, there’s little we actually know about Mauga. Although, I believe he may have been the milestone in creating Heavy Assault units

But that’s just a guess

[topaz dirge]

Ironic he got his ass handed to him by a monkey:)

[keen summit]

Humanity almost went extinct vs their own creafions

[past copper]

Doomfist is basically Thanos. Wanting to cause mass genocide so that the world may grow and adapt from it

[keen summit]

Thing is we were told hes this big cuz of two hearts. Its likely why he doesnt take death seriously anymore, he cheated it and became "better"

[keen summit]

Yea, big thing is that most of the cast follows that kind off theme of: do something for the future
That is the theme of overwatch

[topaz dirge]

Meanwhile Hanzo is too depressed to join any cause

[keen summit]

For your own future, for the whole world etc

[keen summit]

He seeks redemtion

[hushed jetty]

i imagine its both that and whatever they give to heavy assault units

[topaz dirge]

Ngl I do feel bad for Hanzo

[keen summit]

And redemption is from the future

Same with illari

Illari and hanzo have the exact same motivation

[topaz dirge]

Idk anything about Illiary tbh

[keen summit]

The outliers are the ones who dont fight for the future, like sombra and orisa, orisa protects numbani NOW and seeks to keep doing it

[topaz dirge]

Idk. You never know with Sombra tbh

[keen summit]

Her tribe underestimated her power, made her go through ceremony too early, big bang cuz she couldnt contain it, everyone she knows dead. Now seeks redemption because she blames herself

[topaz dirge]

Ouch

That’s rough

[keen summit]

I think she'll join overwatch eventually for redemption

But rn shes the only completely disconnected hero. Nobody knows she even exists

[topaz dirge]

I was thinking that if they made a movie the overarching story would be Hanzo getting over his depression and joining Genji in OW eventually

[keen summit]

Sombra seems to want a world without secrets, but she just says "in my world there are no secrets" she seems to just want to know everythibg and have power in that way

[keen summit]

Hanzo isnt interesting enough for it i think

[lost helm]

has there been any showcase of how strong zen is

[topaz dirge]

Well with the right writing it could be interesting idk

[lost helm]

like lorewise

[keen summit]

Hanzo also feels more fit for personal redemption, forgiving himself

As illari seems to just be built to join overwatch so she can save as many as "she" killed

Hanzo feels more like seeking personal redemption

Traditional way yknow

[lost helm]

[keen summit]

And we are getting hanzo content in ascendant

[lost helm]

ascendant?

whats that

[topaz dirge]

No clue tbh

[keen summit]

None, the abilities may be nano bots like rama

[keen summit]

Book with multiple stories dropping in march

[lost helm]

also whats all the talk ab widow and sombra vs zen

[lost helm]

ohhh i see

[topaz dirge]

I need to read the comics and stuff. I’ve only seen the cinematics

[keen summit]

Yes also sombra and soldier meeting

[lost helm]

kiri looks like ash from pokemon lowk

[topaz dirge]

Oh wow. Sym looks like she isn’t a bish. Who knew

[keen summit]

Working in vishkar uniform woth lw too

And the junkers seem to be invading a null sector ship

And with space ranger ball may have more with the lijsng tower one

But unlikely cuz this is releasing marcg and ranger is still in art not certain

[vivid storm]

Junkrat has no purpose in the lore

he's literally worthless

doesn't provide any meaning whatsoever

[keen summit]

Yet

At the start he was to show junker culture

[topaz dirge]

I kind of like that Junk is just there tbh

[keen summit]

Junk WAS to show junker culture

As hog didnt really

[lost helm]

i always felt that hog and junk show like the fallout of the omnic crisis

based off how the radiation messed up hog and kinda fucked junks mind

[past copper]

No purpose? Then who the heck is dat in the top middle pic?

Not to mention, he’s literally the first one to declare Junker Queen in her animated short

And his and Hog’s as well as the rest of the Junkers show that places and people are heavily diverse

Besides that. Junkrat n Roadhog still have more lore than some heroes

Junker Queen, Kiriko, Lifeweaver, Illari still have very little lore to them

Well, actually Kiriko has a bit more lore then the others given her connection to Genji n Hanzo

[vivid storm]

where can I watch a video on all of this

and what cinematics should I watch

[keen summit]

Watvh all and watch all origin stories

[vivid storm]

link

[keen summit]

Youtube.com

Crazy

Or go to overwatch, media

[past copper]

All animated shorts are easier to find on YouTube

Some people even made hour long videos with each short in them

[keen summit]

Yeah but i just hate those cuz its 0 effort stealing

[topaz dirge]

React content lmao

[keen summit]

Just find overwatch 2 cinematic playlisy

Its on their channel

[past copper]

Not sure if one was made up to either Wastelander or Lifeweaver’s origin story

[keen summit]

Ah yes "overwatch movie" i hate those titles too

[keen summit]

Thats why i always say just use the playlist, lw origin story qasnt even on the site of overwatch

Also, when watching origin stories remember these are from THEIR pov

If someone like illari blames hersrlf, it doesnt mean she did it on purpose, she just blames herself

[past copper]

Also, for anyone still wondering about the story of OW so far

[keen summit]

Best examples are ramattra and sogma for the its their pov things

Rama in his origin story fets framed as a hero

Everything about him seems heroic except his deaign and the ships u see

[past copper]

Still kinda surprising the Omnic Crisis was only 2 years. Seemed like it was longer than that

That said, my math is kinda bad. I’m not certain how long Overwatch was active after the Crisis

[leaden galleon]

Is 'Present Day' in the same year that the recall took place?

Or is it 1 year later?

[past copper]

No. I believe that’s 1 year after the Recall

[wooden sleet]

Does sojourn have any voice Lines or dialogue about her story in overwatch

[potent briar]

Not a lot

[wooden sleet]

That's sort of depressing. Finished reading it and honestly I can understand why she is so stiff in terms of dialogue in game.

[potent briar]

Yeah…

[wooden sleet]

Why do they keep on saying lagos like laa-gos.
It's pronouced laygos

[golden oak]

No?

[wooden sleet]

It's in the audible version of the sojourn where she keeps on saying laagos

[worthy rose]

Just heard a new widow voiceline from when she dies from a genji deflect

"Ugh, his brother should've finished the job"

[golden oak]

Yeah, it’s quite rare I think

For some reason certain voice lines have low probability occurring

[merry token]

Some stuff that triggers the voicelines just don’t happen that often

Like a nano’d sombra killing a pharah giving the “haha your mom helped me do that” voiceline

[peak escarp]

love that one

[gilded bloom]

Whenever Illari dies to Dva bomb and she says “it’s like I’m reliving that day again…” in the saddest tone I just

[distant sparrow]

L

[bleak root]

omg thats so sad

[golden oak]

Why moira says “such misplaced optimism” when killing LW

Does arcology and oasis have beef maybe?

[merry token]

She offered him a job in the past or smth

And he rejected the offer

[golden oak]

Is that a fact or are you just guessing

[rare trail]

i thought they mention it in a voiceline?

[peak escarp]

it's a hypothetical

[worn latch]

No. Lifeweaver and Moira just have extremely opposing morals and they don't get along

So they kinda have beef

Even if it's one sided

[golden oak]

Uhh, still don’t get why she’d say that

[worn latch]

Because she thinks he shouldn't be so optimistic all the time

[golden oak]

No, that’s not what misplaced mean

It means he should be optimistic about something else

[golden oak]

If that was the case she would say “such pointless optimism” or something like that

So my theory is she meant misplaced optimism is coming to arcology where scientific research has moral restraints probably and not oasis where there’s no boundaries

[worn latch]

All we know about the arcology is that it's centered away from any law so idk if that's correct

[vivid storm]

no one should be.

[peak escarp]

why not?

optimism is better than pessimism

[vivid storm]

I don't think so.

[worn latch]

No one asked tbh

[vivid storm]

Did I ask you?

[worn latch]

You responded to my message 🤔

So I think the answer is yes

[lost helm]

does anybody wanna discuss what injuries genji sustained from hanzo

during their fight

im bored in my lecture rn

[jolly ginkgo]

I personally like to imagine he has a lot of burn scars, idk why but I always imagined Hanzo and Genjis dragons were hotter than fire

[merry token]

Stuff

[ruby ridge]

I assume she’s talking about how she believes the scientific community could betray lw the same way it betrayed moira

[still heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PlfTjO4Hes

[lost helm]

maybe bc hes so upbeat all the time

i can def see how itd annoy someone like moira

[lost helm]

looks like both legs as well as the right arm...ouch

plus the dragon probably is like fire which explains the burn marks

[golden oak]

I mean oasis made her a minister

[simple night]

Doomfist is a doo doo fart 😔

[worthy rose]

a lot of new voicelines can only be heard on push maps

the widow voicelines there have so much emotion

does this mean that she'll get a redemption arc?

[dense nebula]

Why does everyone want a redemption arc for Widow?

She’s not capable of redemption

Need I remind you she went back to Talon because she missed killing?

[worthy rose]

i dont

[rare trail]

she went back to talon for a lot of reasons not just because she missed killing

there werent many options for her

[dense nebula]

Yeah but she still went back to kill more

Cause in her own words killing is when she feels the most alive

Truly someone capable of being treated and brought back to society

[peak escarp]

even if she wanted to be redeemed, she killed a lot of people

[dense nebula]

And she doesn’t exactly show remorse for the people she killed either

[peak escarp]

that's not going to just be forgiven

she's going to be locked up forever

[dense nebula]

But hey she deserves a second chance look at how cute she is

[lavish vessel]

She’d be fine as long as she has Reggie as her lawyer

[peak escarp]

I think multiple first-degree murder charges are a bit above Reggie's pay grade

[dense nebula]

I wonder how big Reaper’s list of crimes is

Probably a lot of murder and vandalism

[rare trail]

maybe some terrorism?

[dense nebula]

Maybe a tiny dash of Terrorism sprinkled in there

[potent briar]

He's literally labeled as a terrorist in his bio

[rare trail]

what has he done thats terrorism?

the museum ig?

[dense nebula]

Terrorism at its purest is simply committing acts that terrorize the public in the name of a belief or goal

I’m paraphrasing

But that’s essentially it

[lavish vessel]

Aww :(

[keen summit]

Big

Very very bog

Blackwatch alone already adds alot

[muted pecan]

What are the chances of seeing new origin stories like the ones we’ve received for new heroes being released for existing heroes? I know we have Tracer and S76’s origins but I think it would be really cool to have the same for all heroes. Obviously it would take a lot of time and effort to record stories and make new artwork etc. but I wouldn’t mind seeing a few images (e.g. in Moira’s origin story, we can see her and other members of Blackwatch on one of her slides) be recycled if it meant we could get more lore content

[peak escarp]

probably not

if they were going to they would have done them already

[keen summit]

Alot of them would be excessive

Origin stories are mainly there to introduce their story fron their pov

Most of the cast we already know that

[topaz dirge]

How would widows redeption arc even look.

[potent briar]

Two ways that I can see it:

1. Gerard comes back (basically pulls a "somehow palpatine returned" so unlikely that he actually will) and tries to make her see some sense… which will take like 10+ seasons

2. Mercy finds a way to reverse the neural programming that made her a sleeper agent, seeing as she states in a voice interaction that she knows Amelie is still in there and that she just needs to run some tests

[hushed jetty]

gerard coming back would be crazy

[potent briar]

It would go a lil hard but they’d have to pull some miracle out of their asses to make it make sense

[hushed jetty]

im sure theyd find a way to bs it

[potent briar]

Yeah probably

[keen summit]

Yeah if they wamt to

[peak escarp]

neither of those scenarios would redeem her

she's still guilty of a lot of murder

[keen summit]

They obv mean the "redemption" of characters in stories were suddenly shes good

Not actual proper redemption

[peak escarp]

her being a sleeper agent isn't even relevant anymore - that was just for killing Gerard

[topaz dirge]

Thats not redemption in my eyes tbh.

The only scenario i can even picture is her "somehow" coming back to her senses and saving either Pharah from grave danger or Ana herself.

If it's the Pharah then afterwards she could serve as a bridge for Ana and Pharah to finally mend their relationship thus redeeming herself at least in Ana's eyes.

I never read the comics btw so my bad in advance.

[peak escarp]

unlikely

[topaz dirge]

Ik. I was just looking for a way lol.

[golden oak]

It should’ve been a ram mythic 😭

[fresh rock]

..?

[golden oak]

Let’s just hope it has more customisation than Hanzo

Wait, wrong channel
My bad

[rare trail]

isnt pharah and anas relationship pretty good rn?

[topaz dirge]

I don't think it is but again i'm not a comic reader.

[rare trail]

like in new blood didnt they talk

[golden oak]

Yeah it’s better than it used to be

[golden oak]

They did

[peak escarp]

they're working on it

[rare trail]

does orisa use halt shield or supercharger in hero of numbani?

[peak escarp]

yes

all 3

[rare trail]

so orisas old kit was fully canon?

[peak escarp]

yes

[rare trail]

i wonder how much will become canon in her thing in heroes ascendant

the art shows her spear so i assume at least javelin will be confirmed

[wind wind]

just came from a break

do we know if illari knows moria?

[peak escarp]

probably not

[lost helm]

lets talk about lore NEOW !!

mb

[past copper]

Welp, I’m man enough to admit I was wrong bout Hog getting the Mythic skin

But to be fair, there’s only so many tank heroes

[lost helm]

its okay tho bc orisa's mythic is shit

[past copper]

Orisa’s skin looks awesome. People who keep crying recolor are blind haters

People who really call this a recolor obviously don’t know what that means

[leaden galleon]

Wouldn’t say it’s their best work but it’s tolerable for a mythic skin imo

I understand having high standards for mythics but

Just annoying to see people hate on it

[dense nebula]

Why spoiler tag it? It was officially shown

[worn latch]

People just hate orisa

[leaden galleon]

That too

[worn latch]

I personally think the skin is super cool

[gilded pike]

I assume so!!

Because she has a lot of voice lines to moira (enemy moira) saying stuff like "I will not be your guinea pig"

so My best theory is illari is vaguely aware of talon & what moira has done

To avoid her

[merry token]

A lot of characters that haven’t met have voiceline interactions

[gilded pike]

I didn't say they met

I said she's vaguely aware of her

Moira is well known in the ow universe as well

[vivid storm]

like who

[leaden galleon]

Most of the cast has never met Doomfist in-person

Yet he has a good amount of interactions with a wide variety of characters

Same with Ramattra

Also, are they going to be adding new interactions each season? Might get some new ones for Season 8

Wait nvm they're definitely gonna add some for Mauga

[gilded pike]

I'm pretty sure they'll be adding new ones for the upcoming battle pass too

!!

especially with Orisa's mythical and (I think!) Jq's legendary

So I'm excited for that

I wish the mythicals had unique interactions w eachother though

😞

[leaden galleon]

I'm just hoping we get more involving Illari

We know more about Mauga than Illari

[gilded pike]

YEAH TBH

illari has had such little lore since her drop

It's disappointing

like PLSS i want to know more abt ber

[vivid storm]

where can I watch the overwatch cinematics

so I can get some idea of the lore

[leaden galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAYFVhxsaqDuOh4Ic5mRu5CiZVKCMVv66

[jagged mortar]

I really want to know what happened after she got her powers

[leaden galleon]

She has an interaction with Sombra asking for information on something

It's unclear what she's trying to do, but Sombra shows concern for her wellbeing

https://twitter.com/mushroomiiee/status/1711879438739149190

[jagged mortar]

Yeah I remember hearing it ingame

[jagged mortar]

Its so hard to distinguish between canon dialogue and non-canon dialogue ingame

[jagged mortar]

like is this illari one canon?

some other one's are more obvious like characters that haven't met each other

[leaden galleon]

Generally, interactions are made for players to get a feel for the characters' personalities

Or who the character's allies and enemies are

But I don't think they're meant to develop the story further, like how a cinematic or comic would

[jagged mortar]

so is it safe to say that all dialogue is not canon?

[leaden galleon]

Yes

[hushed jetty]

some is canon adjacent

its all hypothetical

[leaden galleon]

Yeah, much better way of describing it

[keen summit]

Basically its like if they would talk and talk bout that topic, this is what they would say

[spare fox]

I think of it like: if the heroes are talking about something that happened in the past, then it's canon
Like LW and Sym being roommates and him not doing dishes
But if it's happening in the spawn/setup then it's hypothetical but true-to-character, like LW complimenting Lucios music. LW would say that but they've never met

For instance, I think of the Sigma-Mercy interaction. They did meet for lunch years ago, but they are not having that convo right now in-lore because they are not together in canon right now

[hushed jetty]

i personally think that there might be SOME kind of canon beef between illari and moira that we dont yet know about, bc imo the lines btwn them are a little too pointed to just be normal "oh moira is evil" type lines

[leaden galleon]

Yeah, it certainly is unusual for Illari to have so many different voicelines with killing, healing, or being healed by Moira

[keen summit]

Its weird yeah

But could also just be cuz well ger people practically expiremnted with her cuz she was the youngest

[golden oak]

LW and Lucio would be such besties, both being Vishkar haters and stealing from them

If I had a nickel for every time a support male hero stole from Vishkar I’d have two, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice

[spare fox]

My theory is Illari is soliciting help from Sombra for dirt on Lumerico-Vishkar, possibly suspecting they had something to do with what happened at her ceremony

[golden oak]

Yeah that Sombra Illari interaction feels almost canon, like she would actually do that

[spare fox]

Last we heard Lumerico was entering into agreements w Vishkar, Vishkar is known for doing whatever it takes to come out on top, Inti warriors and tech are competition for security and energy resources

[golden oak]

I mean finding Sombra might be tricky for her but it’s more about if Sombra wants you to find her or not and I feel like Sombra would be interested in Illari

[spare fox]

Yes definitely

And doing common people dirty is something that if she knew about, she'd do something about it

I don't think Illari caused the incident because she was too powerful, I think she survived it because she was so powerful

[golden oak]

Yeah, or Lumerico/Vishkar’s sabotage just failed to kill her too

[spare fox]

True

[golden oak]

That shrine had like something like a bubble around her, maybe this was protecting her from the explosion?

[spare fox]

Possible - hope we get more details (crumbs) soon

[jagged mortar]

Is it revealed that vishkar or lumerico have interfered with Peru?

[spare fox]

No

It's just my theory

But Inti are about tech from (sun)light and don't need outside help. Vishkar always want to expand their reach and are known for taking drastic measures to do so (see A Perfect World comic). Lumerico is also morally questionable at best and is also expanding and teamed up with Vishkar recently

And Sombra has a beef with Lumerico

And lots of info on them

That and the Illari-Sombra interaction has lead me to that theory anyway

[jagged mortar]

the fact that all the inti-warriors are gone now makes me think that vishkar/lumerico might want to take the opportinuty and go to peru

[spare fox]

For sure, and if my theory turns out to be incorrect my money is on Vishkar swooping in in the aftermath of the Inti incident

"Oh hello Ms Illari nice to meet you. Very sorry for your loss. Very sad. Anyway, we can help out with energy, tech, and protection all at the low low cost of all the Inti tech you can spare! (And if the gov has any spare cash we'll take that too)"

[jagged mortar]

YUP

I have a question about sombra

how far does her "hacking people" ability go?

Like can she read minds, or can she just disable physical abilities?

Lore-wise not ingame

[spare fox]

No, no body or mind manipulation, just tech

And even tech I'm sure it's all plot-relevant

But I wonder too: would she be able to like kill someone with a pacemaker, or control cybernetic eyes?

[jagged mortar]

True

She can kill Genji immediately probably

[spare fox]

Could she literally hack an omnic to death?

If she wanted to that is

[leaden galleon]

I've seen people jump the gun and say she's working with Talon because of the interaction, but I seriously doubt she'll ever find herself working for them

[jagged mortar]

Maybe not omnics since they are "sentient" but robots like orisa or echo maybe

[jagged mortar]

No way illari is with talon

[leaden galleon]

Not right now, no

People thought she might be b/c of the gameplay trailer as well

But if the theory that Vishkar was behind the tragedy ends up being true, I can't see it happening lol

You got a Vishkar employee on the Talon council still

[jagged mortar]

yeah

[spare fox]

I could see maybe teaming up with them for info or to double cross but I don't think her goals would align with them
But rn she's grieving still as far as we know

She seems like a "good" character but who knows, she's also young and broken

[keen summit]

Im wondering, in lore say someone dies who other than orisa could just canonically come back

[woven yew]

so mercy and pharah are a thing yes

so was genji and mercy a hit and run

[ruby ridge]

She has a interaction with sombra that made people thought

[ruby ridge]

Nope, omnics are too hard to hack

[ruby ridge]

Never confirmed

Both can exist

Mercy and pharah and mercy and genji could have been a thing

[woven yew]

like a

oh i thought you said

Pharah genji and mercy

[dense nebula]

If you wanna go by stuff given in BPs, it’s Mercy and Genji

There was a Valentine’s BP with the titles “Mercy’s Angel” and “Genji’s Peace”

[peak escarp]

that wasn't in the BP

[dense nebula]

It wasn’t?

[nova field]

Big balls

[dense nebula]

It just came alongside that BP then?

[peak escarp]

it was from a non-canon dating sim outside the game

[dense nebula]

Oh

[grizzled jackal]

it was event from dating sim

[dense nebula]

God damnit

Those damn rats

[peak escarp]

it doesn't mean anything

[golden oak]

It was genji and mercy icons and titles because those were the dating options in the simulator
(Well technically also Hanzo but he got a special icon too)

[wind wind]

that and she does have a vl with sombra

but ig sombra knows everyone

[stark forum]

Looking for playing ?

Players

Any players ?

[fresh rock]

Not the channel for this.

[wooden sleet]

Is illari augmented?

[rare trail]

wasnt the solar threading thing like putting stuff into her skin

[potent briar]

Pretty much yeah

[wooden sleet]

Oh cool

[wooden sleet]

I honestly thought she was just getting a super expensive magical tattoo

[rare trail]

i think it probably helps her channel sun energy or something

[wooden sleet]

Built in solar panels

[dense nebula]

Does that mean she gets nutrients via photosynthesis?

[golden oak]

Nah, no chlorophyll present

[merry mason]

I don’t think chlorophyll is strictly necessary for photosynthesis, at least in a theoretical sense

[zealous knoll]

Its funny to now see more new characters with futuristic traits such as augmentations than before.

Illari and Sojourn have robotic augmentation, Mauga body altering augments

[wooden sleet]

honestly I wouldnt really expect augmentation to be really popular in the future

[merry token]

Sojourn mainly got hers due to a health condition. Other stuff was added by Liao for combat improvement

[wooden sleet]

Yeah. Just generally feels like it's not something worth getting on less your life is on the line or you really want something that augments can give you

[peak escarp]

you need chlorophyll for photosynthesis

[dense nebula]

All this over a sun joke

[past copper]

Jokes ain't funny here

On a lore note, how you think the next OW novel starting out

[leaden galleon]

Sombra has information on almost everyone, but she has only a few friends. Illari may be one of them

Sombra upon eliminating illari by melee: “Lights out, amiga.”

[echo shoal]

Anyone have a good lore video from start to now

[leaden galleon]

Check pinned messages for a youtube video and other stuff

[echo shoal]

How do I do that

[woven jewel]

On the top right of the screen there should be a pin button

@echo shoal

[peak escarp]

she calls everyone "friend" or something similar

doesn't mean they're actually friends

[leaden galleon]

Doesn't she consider Bap a friend?

She's at least on good terms with him

[ruby ridge]

Yes

[cedar stump]

good terms with bap and sig, rest of people she calls friends is artificial (?) please correct if wrong

like the russian lady she blackmailed into being her “friend”

[worn latch]

Her voice line with illari does make it seem like they know each other but

Idk

[wind wind]

hoesntly between the moria one

she could have something to do with talon or expereince with them

maybe were get more vls from them in the future

[leaden galleon]

I'm sure the writers are well aware we know very little about her atm

[golden oak]

Yeah or other pigment

[lost helm]

i think her powers are natural fam

[peak escarp]

she is augmented

she was undergoing the solar threading ritual when she went supernova

[past copper]

So, think we’ll ever get another Overwatch base map?

[zealous knoll]

I don't think there are anymore in the lore (I THINK)

[past copper]

There were multiple OW bases around the world

Some are abandoned. Others appear to be guarded by Helix or other security

[hushed jetty]

it might be nice if we did but i dont think so unless one of them turned out to be significant in the current lore

[past copper]

Considering Cole and Jack have both broken into and stolen stuff from bases before I’m sure one will be eventually

[golden oak]

No because they’re not official anymore

They will just use Gibraltar as their hideout I guess

[jagged mortar]

Its possible later in the future after the story progresses and (I'm assuming) overwatch comes back and is accepted, they make more bases and we got a map of them

[golden oak]

Probably only after pve story ends when overwatch shows they’ve helped humanity by stopping null sector

But last 2 control maps we got feature former ow bases

(Samoa Vulcano used to belong to ow)

[worthy rose]

https://tenor.com/view/lifeweaver-overwatch-ow2-new-hero-gif-16471439194334720686

what are those things on his forehead

[potent briar]

His forehead

idk what they are

[worn latch]

They're just implants. He has them all over his body. But those ones my favorite because they actually go into the back of his head and it's like a ponytail holder it's cool

[worthy rose]

what are they for?

[worn latch]

There's not any known reason

They're just to make his design more interesting most likely

[worthy rose]

ohh

[potent briar]

I feel like some people in the OW universe wear cybernetics like it's jewelry or some thing

[golden oak]

Most needed them, only Sombra, Ana (in the past), possibly symmetra and weaver didn’t need them to function normally

Although not sure If that weaving hand for sym and lw are gloves or cybernetic arms?

[worn latch]

Sym is 100% a prosthetic

I think it's mentioned in her origin

Lw is a little more complicated to figure out

I personally think it's a prosthetic but there's arguments for both sides

[potent briar]

His arm is definitely a prosthetic

But that's just my opinion. I can see how people would theorize differently.

[worn latch]

He has a human arm in his summer sprau

Like flesh n stuff

So it's kinda strange but I think that blizzard is just a lil stupid

[potent briar]

Wouldn't be the first time they've messed up character aspects

like Kiriko’s age

idc if I’m beating a dead horse, whoever decided that failed a lot of math classes

[golden oak]

Don’t they hire the same artist for concept arts and sprays,

?

[peak escarp]

not always

a lot of sprays are outsourced

[golden oak]

Might be the artist just not knowing about the cybernetic

[worn latch]

But yeah I've ranted about the lifeweaver prosthetic so many times I have a whole ass little essay thing in my notes

[potent briar]

Damn fr?

[worn latch]

Yeah...

[potent briar]

How "little" is this essay?

[golden oak]

Was sym accidental or voluntary

[worn latch]

Not very long

[worn latch]

Voluntarily

[potent briar]

I feel like it would be voluntarily

[golden oak]

Then LW probably has a cybernetic too

[rare trail]

dont all hardlight architects have prosthetics?

[potent briar]

I'm not sure if all vishkar architects use prosthetics for hard-light weaving

Is Sanjay an architect?

[rare trail]

this image seems like all the architects have prosthetics

[worn latch]

If you look back at Lifeweavers vishkar pictures it absolutely looks like a prosthetic 🤷

[potent briar]

Or is he just a diplomat or whatever

[potent briar]

I genuinely forgot about that image

[rare trail]

i dont think sanjay is an architect

isnt it like a pretyt rare thing to be able to manipulate it?

[worn latch]

Syms backstory made it seem like only some people can manipulate hardlight

[potent briar]

It would take a lot of skill, I'd assume

[golden oak]

He is

[potent briar]

I doubt it’s like they're training to be the Avatar

[golden oak]

Pretty sure

[hushed jetty]

sanjay doesnt have a prosthetic iirc but then again when was the last time we got an image of sanjay

[potent briar]

I just want more hardlight-themed/vishkar affiliated heroes

[worn latch]

Real

[potent briar]

Doesn’t have to be Sanjay even

[worn latch]

I love lifeweaver we should just get more lore on him

[potent briar]

That would be sick

[worn latch]

No other characters matter

Just be dishing out lw lore

[potent briar]

I can see Lifeweaver making an appearance in Missions

Him and Lucio would get along rq

[worn latch]

I mean maybe

But I doubt it

[potent briar]

And, well, I kinda have a feeling LW and Bap would too

[worn latch]

No fr?

[potent briar]

Because I said so

👀

[worn latch]

Crazy assumption tbh

[potent briar]

Yeah pretty bold of me

I know

[worn latch]

Would've never assumed

[potent briar]

I was in the minority when I theorized this

[golden oak]

I think the black arm might be prosthetic

[potent briar]

That's possible

[golden oak]

Cuz like, why would that sleeve be a different Color

[worn latch]

Idk it could show his rank

🤷

[hushed jetty]

maybe he just has a weird fashion style

[worn latch]

Actually

[worn latch]

If you go back and look at this

Everyone has it

It seems

[hushed jetty]

must be the vishkar uniform then

[worn latch]

Sorry I have 1 data bar

[golden oak]

Wait that’s the regular architech attire

All of them have one sleeve black

[worn latch]

Mhm

So he's probably an architect

[rare trail]

is sym left or right handed?

[peak escarp]

she seems to be left handed

[rare trail]

her prosthetic is on her left right?

[hushed jetty]

her right iirc

unless i am recalling incorrectly

[rare trail]

nah its on her left

idk if that would mean left or right handed because like i would assume she wouldnt want to amputate her dominant hand

but if the prosthetic is good enough it might not matter

[golden oak]

Doesn’t light weaving take precision?

[golden oak]

Look, all of them have right arms robotic

So they probably do replace the dominant one

[wooden sleet]

the employees of vikshar must be devoted if they are willing to cut off an arm

especially their dormant one

[keen folio]

Thats toxic

[wooden sleet]

is it really now?

[worn latch]

Yeah Vishkar is a terrible company LMAO 😭😭

[golden oak]

Are you surprised

That’s not even the worst thing they do

[wooden sleet]

I know their evil, but like to convice people to cut off their arm willingly to be more effective at work is just damn.

[peak escarp]

it's probably "get this prosthetic or we kick you out and you'll probably be poor because our school is super expensive."

[worn latch]

Kinda tragic tbh

Imagine being forced by ur parents to go to this expensive school and they cut off ur fucking arm 😭😭

[wooden sleet]

oh thats even more depressing, I was expecting the students to be like, I'm willing to cut my arm off for the prestigousness of being in vikshar

[peak escarp]

some of them probably believe in Vishkar

[wooden sleet]

wont be surprised.

[peak escarp]

we have Mauga's full name

[fresh rock]

Huh

Neato

[hushed jetty]

his name is reallll similar to the name of a volcano

[golden oak]

Weird that they don’t have some master control over those prosthetics like if someone were to rebel or try to steal their stuff (looking at weaver) they could just turn it off for that person and make them unable to use hardlight

But then LW wouldn’t have a place to be I guess

[worn latch]

Lifeweaver isn't using the same prosthetic as he was when he was at Vishkar

[golden oak]

So they had to add that plot hole

[peak escarp]

I dont think cybernetics work like that

[worn latch]

And he's using modified hardlight

It's not what they have control over

[golden oak]

So he changed it?

[worn latch]

Yes...

[peak escarp]

if cybernetics could be controlled remotely then Sojourn and Genji would be huge security risks

[golden oak]

Yeah, but it does seem like a Vishkar thing to do

To have control over their employees

[worn latch]

Well I think cutting off their hand is a pretty good sign of their control

[peak escarp]

maybe, but it probably isn't possible whether they want to or not

[golden oak]

That’s more like, devotion

[peak escarp]

so they control their architechs through indoctrination and financial burdens

[worn latch]

Man 😭😭

Vishkar sucks

Smh

[golden oak]

Does that mean cybernetics can’t be hacked either?

[peak escarp]

probably not

we've never seen it happen

we've only seen omnics be hacked

[golden oak]

Let’s wait for Sombra to hack genji or sojourn and break the lore’s rules

They will fight next mission so who knows

I mean Sombra and genji

[peak escarp]

still don't think it's likely

[worn latch]

I don't understand how that would even be possible

Like realistically

[golden oak]

She only needed to touch that Volskaya mech to hack it

[peak escarp]

mechs are different

they have onboard computers

Mauga's age and birthday

[hushed jetty]

https://fxtwitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1730293034275803469?t=5uX0evpk1JXwmrSbY_BjIA&s=19

age and birthday

i beat you to it

L

[peak escarp]

I was first

[wooden sleet]

interesting QnA

[wind wind]

yall are hounds damnnn

[golden oak]

Why did I think this was Ashe at first 😭

[hushed jetty]

EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP. NEW SHORT

https://fxtwitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1730301441238299019?t=esZd3nqpU7xnnIcBb4bi6A&s=19

[potent briar]

I SAW

LESSGOOOO

[rare trail]

i love how they worked in mauga not being a dumb bruiser and being really tactical and smart

[hushed jetty]

i am in LOVE with mauga after this for REAL

[past copper]

So, who was it that said Mauga didn’t have any brains?

Bc he just proved em wrong lol

[peak escarp]

I was waiting for them to show it

and now they have

so I'm satisfied

[past copper]

It also is… enlightening

Why would Talon have to steal from Null Sector if they’re working together? Curious

[peak escarp]

DF doesn't trust them

I guess

[past copper]

Although certainly proves Talon didn’t provide Ram with his ships

Makes me wonder just what DF actually gave Ramattra then

All I can guess is they came to some sort of agreement. DF wanted a war and Null Sector was the perfect solution to obtain it

Although, I wonder if in exchange for Ramattra’s efforts, Doomfist would provide for him his friend, Zenyatta. Just a guess

[fresh rock]

Beautiful.

But, does this mean Mauga is fired? Did he quit? Or is he still apart of the team?

[past copper]

He’s on a well deserved vacation

[peak escarp]

he's freelance

[fresh rock]

Oooh okay

Well

I loved that

Watching that really felt

AWESOME.

And, there's the animated short we got

I hope we see him in the missions though

[worn latch]

DUDEEEEE

That was sick

[hushed jetty]

that's the lead narrative writer. what are they cooking...

[umbral sky]

Manifesting for Overwatch anime

[opaque tundra]

closest thing we have so far is genesis

[rare trail]

a great day is pretty close too

[past copper]

To be fair, it comes as no surprise if Talon plans to double cross Null Sector

You honestly think after all is said n done with the war, DF would just let Ram live in peace with every omnic he subjugated?

[tender ridge]

Ramattra when the shady evil organization betrays him

[golden oak]

talon provided resources

[golden oak]

this is so good

why was it posted on playstation youtube and not playoverwatch tho???

[tender ridge]

mauga forgor

[keen summit]

Im willing to bet the shirt skin was base skin

But it does show that hes actually smart

He just seems to be the definition of idc bout what others think

[keen summit]

They never outright showed it, they said hes actually cunning af i was willing to believe it and now we KNOW

However, with this info this means talon actually may be playable cuz they also have null sector as an enemy secretly

[past copper]

I don't think this counts as that. I highly doubt Talon will be playable

Mostly bc it seems Talon always has 2 or 3 on a mission

And the game so far has always been teams of 4 in PvE

[keen summit]

Thing is with mauga we can easily have 4, moira mauga reaper spmbra/ widow

[wooden sleet]

I'm impressed he isnt a complete idiot just a wild card

[keen summit]

Hes smart, but seems as i said psychotix

He has a disregard for death and danger, even reaper, literal smoke, hides in cover

Afterall he cheated death atleast twice at this point

Who would take death serious if they spat in the face of it TWICE

[potent briar]

That's true

[dense nebula]

Is that on YouTube as well?

[wooden sleet]

Depends was the person really spitting death in the face or they just managed to make it out alive with life nearly beaten out of them

[hushed jetty]

no idea

[leaden galleon]

What's the "new power thingy" that Doomfist wants to build?

[keen summit]

Thing is, mauga survived well an explosion, got significantly stronger, survived another

He likely went psycho after thecfirst, the second only solidified his believe

[keen summit]

The core mauga got

[wooden sleet]

That is still not spitting death in the face

[keen summit]

Second time was

[leaden galleon]

Oh wait never mind

[keen summit]

He legit, got blown up

Straight, up

And survived, same as ever

[dense nebula]

Mauga casually proving that he’s the best thing to ever happen in Overwatch

[leaden galleon]

Doomfist wanted to build his own version, but Mauga just ended up stealing it?

[keen summit]

Yep

[wooden sleet]

I'm not surprised the modified mam survived an explosion after he was modified after a previous one

[dense nebula]

He only survived cause Bap used his immortality field on the second one

[wooden sleet]

Spitting death in the face is like Trevor Belmont vs death

[keen summit]

Doom thought getting the plans was better, while mauga was like, "why get the plans if u can get it itself"

[keen summit]

Pretty sure he didnt

[wooden sleet]

Didn't bap himself say that he doubt the explosion would actually kill him

[keen summit]

He said "knowing him, he probally survived"

So immort would gaurantee, line doesnt make sense then

[keen summit]

Ig, i meant that he's been cheating death basically

Nobody who cheats death, takes death seriously

[past copper]

Ok, but we won’t bc teams have always been 4 in PvE n lore wise, Talon only sends in 2 or 3 members

[wooden sleet]

Oh. Alright, I agree

[hushed jetty]

bap didnt use that on mauga, he used that on himself

[keen summit]

Generally they do

Bit

Easy to add an excuse

Just say that it was higher risk

[past copper]

No. Not really. Doomfist clearly isn’t leaving where ever he’s squatting in, Sigma isn’t going to be released into the field

And we don’t even know where Moira is or if she even works in the field anymore

[keen summit]

I meant as in mauga, 2 dps and we have 3 talon dps

[keen summit]

And sigma actually may be in the field now

Look at mauga prigin stort

[dense nebula]

Then nvm

Mauga’s just a chad

Imo, Sanjay makes sense as the next Talon support

Whenever we’re due for the next support

[past copper]

Unless there is a lore reason for Talon to have 4, we won’t see a Talon playable mission

[keen summit]

"Hpw to let loose with friends" we also see sigma, mauga wouldnt see in the lab as letting loose sooo

[past copper]

Especially since players wouldn’t have a large choice in heroes to pick from

[keen summit]

Its now very very likely sigma does as i speculated with the description of his own story that he is in thecfield when that other sidectakes over

[peak escarp]

the trailer isnt literally saying he has been in the field with every one of them

it's just showing the known members of Talon

[keen summit]

It implies it, im not saying confirmed

[past copper]

It really doesn’t imply anything

[peak escarp]

there is no "other side"

[keen summit]

Just like how the description says sigma is turning into a weapon

[past copper]

Sigma is just a playable hero like the rest of Talon heroes right now

[keen summit]

Hidden meaning of violence.

[peak escarp]

Sigma's trailer was heavily stylized

[keen summit]

Sorry true meaning of and then it cuts off to violenxe

[peak escarp]

the devs confirmed he doesn't have multiple personalities

[keen summit]

Each origin story is from the characters perspective

[keen summit]

For me the odd part still is his description ngl

[past copper]

Look, whatever the case, we won’t be getting Talon Story Missions. It just isn’t likely

[keen summit]

Not anytime soon no

They COUKD add an excuse tho is my point

They could easily go "this is more risky send 4 in" and bam done

Will they? Eh depends on honestly if they think its cool.