lore-discussion

[twilit patrol]

They won't drop all missions at the same time

That's all

[quick grail]

full campaigns are not relased in parts, 30 minutes of gameplay every n years

[twilit patrol]

Next missions are coming in 2024

[twilit patrol]

While that's their way.

[quick grail]

literally never say anything about a date

[twilit patrol]

They said a while ago that the next missions are coming in 2024.

[peak escarp]

gautier, he's not going to listen to reason

[quick grail]

when

[peak escarp]

best to just ignore and move on

[twilit patrol]

You're right

[quick grail]

oh well, some people are so scared of being dissapointed they cant see the truth, i didnt lied at all, im saying what happen and what didnt happen, there is no proof or anything happening anytime about the pve

[twilit patrol]

Well it will be my last reply: There was a livestream in August and Jared Neuss was the guest. He said that there will be no more story missions in season 7 and 8.

[quick grail]

yeah thanks, already noticed

so they say missions will come in 2024 or not?

[lean talon]

bastion

?

[golden oak]

Shut it already

[quick grail]

im going to shut because nobody ever give a straig answer about the pve beyond "they said" im right and is important to accept blizzard is incompetent and liar and will never deliver anything like they promised

[golden oak]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-we-do-not-care-steelers-pnc-laaabaseball-gif-22526899

[lost helm]

ow lore goes crazy bro i want hanzo dead in genjis arms

with his shirt off and sweaty abs

[dapper grove]

sombra op in the lore

[spare fox]

I do want to know if Sombra could totally shut down and even kill people with cybernetic vital organs, like Sojourn or Genji

Just by hacking them

[dapper grove]

She probably can

She’s 30 snd she’s a walking computer

[peak escarp]

I think it would depend on how those cybernetic organs are controlled

but I think it would be possible

whether she actually would is a different story

[spare fox]

Yeah just wondering if it'd be possible or not. It'd be pretty messed up and not her style... she more weaponizes information

[mellow grove]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JDbbtHdAShM?si=a62PSTQCcJcXcSGe

[worn latch]

I second this

[vapid tusk]

i don't think sombra would do that considering she's not really evil

[keen summit]

We dont know, if there are no computers controlling it then theres nothing to hack

If its controlled by their brains, she cant really hsck it

If its some kinda future mechanical system, then it also shouldnt

You cant hack an make-break contact u can hack the system that says "if its open then:"

[golden oak]

Can she instantly kill an omnic by EMPing

[keen summit]

We dont know emp is an actual emp

Meteor strike isnt a literal meteorite strike

[lost helm]

but it does break barriers tho

i would think its somewhat like an actual emp

[azure bluff]

Is EMP an actual canon ability?

And if so, how does she avoid frying her own cybernetic enhancements?

[lost helm]

good question

gen question tho does an actual emp like deactivate itself after being used

[azure bluff]

There's also the radiation to consider

[golden oak]

Idk, she didn’t use it in the comics

Pretty sure

[azure bluff]

I'd lean towards it being a gameplay ability then, the real world science of EMPs wouldn't translate that well to how she uses them in-game

[keen summit]

Yes however could be her just overloading the systems or sum with hacks or whatever

[dense nebula]

So it’s a dos attack then

[vast swift]

BOB IS BOB

[potent briar]

Sombra did disable Lynx in the Zarya comic by hacking them. But she didn't kill them by doing so, so ig she could incapacitate omnics/cybernetically-enhanced individuals with EMPs

Like Genji, Sojourn, probably Mauga

[hushed jetty]

sombra hacking mauga's hearts is so funny to me

[potent briar]

Ik his 2nd heart is cybernetic so it would do some hefty-ass damage to him if hacked

[hushed jetty]

both are cybernetic actually

he got the other replaced as well

[potent briar]

Oh

[hushed jetty]

beep boop beep and he fucking dies

[potent briar]

I just thought the first one was biologically enhanced

My bad

[hushed jetty]

he got the second one after Exploding, and then he went back to samoa and got the original replaced and both upgraded

[potent briar]

Gotcha

[wooden sleet]

damn so a single emp or hack can kill him?

[golden oak]

Love them

[dense nebula]

Both of them are

He got the second one after he enjoyed the rush the first one gave him

But you aren’t technically wrong either since he got one before the other

[potent briar]

Canonically, it could give him a heart attack/failure and considering he has TWO hearts, it could be even more lethal.

[wooden sleet]

geez

[potent briar]

Look at these friends. This is the kind of group to never splinter under any circumstance, and to almost never experience any type of trauma, betrayal, or even close calls with death!

: D

[vast swift]

**is soldier good or bad? **hes a recruit vigilante in my acc so does that mean hes bad?

[hushed jetty]

i dont think he really fits into solely Good or Bad

that simplifies things a little too much

[vast swift]

like symmetra?

[hushed jetty]

like yeah he's a vigilante but he's killing people who arent doing great things

[hushed jetty]

yeah

[vast swift]

oke

if talon and ow recruited ever every between them, where would symm and soldier go?

[potent briar]

Soldier is extremely anti-talon

[hushed jetty]

soldier would absolutely not join talon

sym idk

prob overwatch

she doesnt like chaos

[potent briar]

Sym disagrees with Doomfist's philosophy

[vast swift]

oke, but lucio does hate symm

and lucio in ow2

[rare trail]

yeah

[hushed jetty]

because she's vishkar, thats the only reason

[potent briar]

Because Vishkar fucked over his dad

[vast swift]

oh

[potent briar]

And Lucio stole back his tech

His dad invented sonic technology

[hushed jetty]

but i think theyre lowkey hinting at sym leaving vishkar at some point, or at least questioning their motives/methods

[vast swift]

so nothing person between lucio and sym

[hushed jetty]

no nothing personal

[vast swift]

oke

[potent briar]

I feel like when Sanjay's true colors are finally shown, Sym will finally leave

Or Lifeweaver talks some sense into her

[vast swift]

whos sanjay

leader of vishkar?

[potent briar]

Vishkar member who is on Talon’s inner council

[vast swift]

oh oke

will they add him as a hero?

or not

[potent briar]

I can see it

But not soon

[vast swift]

dam

WAIT

[potent briar]

Unless they start teasing him out of no where

Because he doesn’t have much story to him

Same with Maximilien

Or Emre/the mohawk guy from Ana's photo

They finally confirmed it

[vast swift]

moira experiment on san and he becomes a worse hard light architect and has fortified cells (tank btw)

[vapid tusk]

not likely to happen

seeing as we already got a Talon hero that's coming soon

[vast swift]

oh yh

i dont like mauga tbh

other than moira are there any talon support heros?

[dense nebula]

Nope

Bap was former Talon

But I doubt he counts as a Talon support

[hushed jetty]

he counts if you travel back in time like 6 years

[past copper]

Only likely candidate for a Talon Support hero

For now

[dense nebula]

Supp mains’ll wah wah if he does shields more than healing

But I for one would absolutely love a shield support

[past copper]

It’s not gonna happen

Wouldn’t make sense to give a support a shield other than Brig

[dense nebula]

Not that kind of shield

[past copper]

Even then, a support with a shield is too much. Hence why you have tank

Besides that, saying you want a support with a barrier is like saying you want this

[hushed jetty]

they didnt say Barrier they said Shield

like shield health

[dense nebula]

Bruh

I’m talking shield health

[boreal terrace]

Zen has shield

[dense nebula]

Turning team health into shields

Amplifying sheild regen

That sort of stuff

Maybe give him old Symm ult

The sheild generator

[past copper]

Zen doesn’t have shield

[rare trail]

zen has shield health

[past copper]

What he has heals you fast, but doesn’t protect

[past copper]

They already gave someone Sym’s old shield

Sigma

[dense nebula]

Bruh

Are you understanding

Anything

I’m saying?

[past copper]

Here’s what you’re not understanding

[dense nebula]

Here’s what you’re not understanding

[past copper]

They’re not giving two heroes the SAME ability

[dense nebula]

I’m not talking that shield ability

I’m talking the old Shield Generator ult

That gave everyone on the team 50 shield health

I want a support that’s all around shield health

Not barriers

Shield health

Cause surprise surprise there’s a difference

And Sanjay would be perfect for that

We still need a second Talon support

[wooden sleet]

I dont think its impossible two give two heroes the same ability

[past copper]

It is. A small point of each hero in the game is to be unique

[boreal terrace]

pretty sure like 75% of his hp is shield

[wooden sleet]

some heroes have similar passives

[past copper]

Passives aren’t the same as actual abilities

[wooden sleet]

doom and ramattra both have a block ability the only difference is the duration between the 2

sigma, orisa and d.va both have a sort of matrix, that has small differences between them

[past copper]

Doom and Ram block isn’t remotely the same. One gains power in his other abilities

The other doesn’t

[wooden sleet]

it still serves as an ability to reduce dmg in the direction you are facing

[past copper]

Sigma, Orisa, n D.Va abilities not remotely the same as they’re literally different and meant to eat shots, minus counters

Regardless, this getting off topic here

This ain’t lore

👆

Exactly

There’s Space Ranger and Venture

[potent briar]

From the lore

[past copper]

Only thing I’d think we can connect Venture to is the ruins of Petra

[potent briar]

Space Ranger MIGHT gave a connection to Winston/Hammond

Seeing as she’s from a space colony

But on Mars, not the Moon

[rare trail]

didnt they say a while ago theres no plans to add meka people

[potent briar]

The Yōkai designs go hard

[past copper]

There’s very little to no chance of MEKA

D.Va kit is a nightmare to deal with

So adding more would be much worse

[hushed jetty]

id love one of the omnic yokai tbh

[potent briar]

Saaame

I also like the Tanuki one

The way their mask and hair looks kinda reminds me of Octane from Apex

I really hope we get more info on Yōkai

[rare trail]

wheres that from?

[past copper]

We could potentially see Yokai be heroes

[potent briar]

A Hashimoto hero would go hard ngl

[dense nebula]

Besides her

They were all cool designs

Besides

Her

[past copper]

Yokai weapons. Two Kanabō, gunbai fan, rifle, umbrella, n shield

[potent briar]

That parasol weapon looks sick

I've been wanting a hero to have an umbrella type of weapon/ability

[hushed jetty]

aw hale naw the splatoon brella

[past copper]

Yōkai Members and Weapons
Kitsune, Kiriko — kunai
Tanuki — rifle
Amabie — gunbai
Kappa — shield
Kasa-obake — umbrella
Oni — twin kanabō

I don’t see a tank among them

Tho, Tanuki could be tank. He looks like the biggest out of them

[potent briar]

Because they have a shield?

They’re themed after actual japanese spirits/yōkai

[hushed jetty]

thise are not names

those are animals/spirits

[past copper]

That’s not their names. That’s the yokai masks they wear

[potent briar]

I just remember that one of them is canonically named Sakura

[past copper]

He is way too small to be a tank

He a support at best

[potent briar]

The only named members of the Yōkai, other than Kiriko, are Ryōta, Sakura, and Nobuto

[past copper]

A Japanese war fan

[hushed jetty]

that looks sick wtf

the fact the kappa guy is an omnic implied he got his face changed to just. look like that. instead of wearing a mask

[potent briar]

I would

If I was an omnic I mean

[past copper]

No. Gotta be a mask since these guys are unknown to their enemies

[potent briar]

Turtle

[past copper]

Gotta keep their identities secret

No technically speaking. A gunbai was used by leaders to signal troops

[hushed jetty]

kiriko's thing does not cover any of her face 😭

[past copper]

But imagine if she can do this

[past copper]

I mean, she either probably wants them to know who she is and why she hates them

Or anime protagonist rules. Nobody knows them

I don’t think they even knew her father had a kid?

I mean, they can’t add multiple heroes all at once

A LOT of work goes into making a new hero

[dense nebula]

Meanwhile I made a pretty cool kit in like half an hour

Sent

I also have an ai generated image for a general idea of what he would look like

why ai? Too lazy to draw it right now

[past copper]

Making a new hero takes time. They gotta make the concept, the abilities, their place in lore. Then put all of it together for the game and test them. This takes a LOT of time

[dense nebula]

Their place in lore looks at Kiriko being like 21

Your dms

[past copper]

Look. Age really doesn’t matter. Hero ages have confused players n sometimes the team since 2016 when the game didn’t have a well made story yet

[dense nebula]

You think I’m dumb enough to drop it here?

If they do all I ask is that they give me a free legendary skin and make his dance the opening of Peacemaker

[peak escarp]

"making a hero" doesn't mean coming up with some abilities and random numbers

it means months of design iteration, testing, programming, redesigning, retesting - and that's before the art or story team does anything

[dense nebula]

Yeah true

I still think what I made was pretty damn cool

[past copper]

The best thing about testing now tho is public can expect to play test every new hero moving forward for a limited time

Honestly, smarter decision then allowing only streamers or OWL pros to beta test a new hero

I personally think that wasn’t giving them the best feedback

No offense if anyone here is/was one

Regardless, streamers alone didn’t represent the entire OW player base

What they did with Mauga was much better

Bc not only did they show off a new hero and his abilities n lore, but also get quality feedback on him from a majority player base

[golden oak]

I think she might be Mei’s friend

[twilit patrol]

Space Ranger?

[golden oak]

Because on lijiang map Mei mentions her friend there

[potent briar]

Placeholder name for the new support in S12

[twilit patrol]

Hmm ok

[peak escarp]

this is Space Ranger

[twilit patrol]

That's right

She's from the Mars colonny

[potent briar]

She's supposed to be very mobile

[fresh rock]

well, I know Venture is going to give us some new lore

which is nice

but Space Ranger, do you think they'll mention characters like Winston, Hammond, or maybe Sigma?

I say mention because even though they're on different colonies.. maybe they visited?

[hushed jetty]

i imagine she might have at least some connection to lijang

[golden oak]

Yeah, could be mei’s friend

That she mentioned

[dense nebula]

Looks too young to be her friend

Remember Mei is technically a decade older than she looks

[merry token]

I mean, Space Ranger could be older than we think

[dense nebula]

With that face?

She looks like she’s Dva’s age

[golden oak]

Asian people tend to look younger than they are

[dense nebula]

You telling me a late 30 early 40 woman looks like an 18 year old?

[golden oak]

Yeah, since the art style also tends to make them look younger

Would you say moira was 50 if she didn’t have that grey strip of hair?

[peak escarp]

she doesn't look that young to me

[proven fox]

Is space ranger the official name or just a development thing?

[peak escarp]

I'd guess she's in her 20s or 30s

[golden oak]

She has like no wrinkles

[peak escarp]

it's her development name

[golden oak]

Still think it could be Mei’s friend

Because characters who are linked to existing heroes are more hype

[peak escarp]

she could be connected to someone else

[golden oak]

I know but Mei makes most sense

[peak escarp]

Sigma or Winston make the most sense, since they have space connections

[golden oak]

Mei said she has a friend in lucheng

[peak escarp]

and?

[golden oak]

On lijiang map

[peak escarp]

My friend Jiayi works here. She and I had a lot of fun in grad school. Maybe too much. *giggle*

[golden oak]

The Mars colony probably belongs to lucheng as well

[peak escarp]

Sigma has spent a lot of time in space, it's likely he has been to the Mars colony

[golden oak]

Winston didn’t leave hlc before escaping right

[peak escarp]

the fox spirit made her younger

she's 21

but chronologically she should be older

because she was 12 when Sojiro Shimada was killed, which was 12 years ago

meaning she should be at least 24, not 21

what do you mean how

I'm saying she should be older, despite looking young

because the timeline they gave us doesn't make sense if she's chronologically 21

the only explanation I can think of is that she's actually 28-ish but the fox spirit made her physically younger

her mother was their swordmaster

[floral furnace]

Arent they cousins?)

Does anyone know if kiriko knows what hanzo did to genji

Or is she just like “cool robot suit😄👍”

[peak escarp]

they're not cousins

[floral furnace]

Wait??

I thought they were cousins for the longest time

[peak escarp]

no

they're not related

[floral furnace]

I need a second to think about this

[floral furnace]

Yeah i know about that

They shouldnt have made genji and hanzo so old

Cause tbh kiriko being upbeat and having her young personality fits her

They couldve easily been early to mid 30s and it wouldve fit

[peak escarp]

it's not that she knew them when they were kids

she knew them when she was a kid

they were always older than her

[dense nebula]

But the gap is a bit too large even then

[peak escarp]

in this image, I would guess Kiriko is 5, Genji is 13 and Hanzo is 16, which would give them an age gap of 8/11 years respectively (so her current age should be 29)

that age gap would work

not 16/19 years

[lost helm]

will my ex come back to me if i hit plat with genji

[keen summit]

Same for my opinion, though i still think shes badly writtrn they just devided to want to make her be 21 for relatability ig?

I wouldve preferred if kiriko just heard stories iof them from her mom

Cuz then it wouldve made sense why genji and hanzo NEVER mentioned her

[peak escarp]

that's not a very good argument

Cassidy never mentioned Ashe, but they were close friends

[keen summit]

Oh no no no

I wouldve preferred it

[peak escarp]

Symmetra never mentioned Lifeweaver, but they were roommates

[keen summit]

But tbf with ashe and cass they became enemies, sym and lw, well sym doesnt really talk bout her personal life much

Let alone if its a criminal

I just prefer it when if feels logical for them to not talk bout them

Or never be mrntioned

[peak escarp]

it's still a bad argument

[keen summit]

Its just that i prefer thaf

Not an argument of why its good or bad

As i wouldve also preferred if lw was mentioned before

[worn latch]

LIFEWEAVER MENTIONED

[worn latch]

I just don't understand where he'd come up in conversation

?

[keen summit]

Maybe idk if she was confronted by someone boyt vishkar hunting a person down for "stealing tech"

[peak escarp]

like Lucio?

[keen summit]

Or pharah who recognizes lw

[peak escarp]

there were plenty of opportunities to mention Lifeweaver, since his situation is so similar to Lucio

[keen summit]

Yea

I prefer if they do talk bout someone but in general with ow2 there are less hints

Less as in, theres no real buikd up, with mauga a little ig tho

[worn latch]

My only thing is that I doubt anyone really knows that sym and lw are friends

Idk tho

[keen summit]

Thats why i said make it just be someone saying bout a vishkar ex member bekng a criminal to tease her

[worn latch]

Lifeweaver isn't a super important part of the lore and he's not affiliated currently with anything like talon/overwatch so it makes sense he wasn't as teased as someone like Mauga. But I also think that lifeweaver wasn't originally going to be apart of Vishkar and that was added later on? Don't quote me on this I need to relook at the wiki tho

And it's not like they teased at every character with voice lines

That's reserved for really lore important characters

Methinks

[keen summit]

Thing is rama also wasnt teased

[hushed jetty]

technically he was in storm rising but thats eh

[peak escarp]

he was

yeah

[keen summit]

Well i meant teases

[keen summit]

Oh no no no i know

I meant as in to his release

Think doom

[hushed jetty]

ah right

[keen summit]

Like yes he was teased in first trailer technically

But i love it when they build up to release

[hushed jetty]

mauga only got so many teasers bc theyve bamboozled us abt his release like 3 different times

[keen summit]

All the ow2 releases just happened

[hushed jetty]

so they wanted us to be hype for his actual release

[keen summit]

Thats why i only counted the shirt and room

[peak escarp]

it's understandable why they didn't tease Ramattra leading up to his release - it was supposed to be Mauga

[hushed jetty]

that too

[keen summit]

Where has this even been officially stated? Was it in blizzcon?

[hushed jetty]

yes

[peak escarp]

yeah

[keen summit]

Ah missed that thrn

[hushed jetty]

the s2 tank was supposed to be mauga but they replaced him with ram bc mauga wasnt ready yet

[worn latch]

I thought that was sigma

Oh wait

No that's kit

Mb

[peak escarp]

it would have made a lot more sense to release Ramattra after Invasion

[keen summit]

Nah so mauga got replaced twice

[keen summit]

True

[hushed jetty]

yeah lol

[keen summit]

I found it weird too

[peak escarp]

but he was the only other tank they had ready enough to be released

[keen summit]

As it wouldve made us go "whos that"

And get interested rtc

Wouldve been the best build up

[hushed jetty]

it also wouldve made the torb mission cutscene ram's first appearance

or... second i guess

and we all wouldve gone Gasp. Zen lore!

[keen summit]

The weird thing tho was that in 2019 they actually saw a silhoette of a mage like character

[hushed jetty]

ram has been in the works for a loooong time i think

[keen summit]

Also in toronto

[peak escarp]

they have heroes in development for years in advance

[keen summit]

Yeah but big man wasnt mentioned

Maybe cuz they wouldve recgnised him

[peak escarp]

yes

Sojourn and JQ weren't in that lineup either

[keen summit]

Nah they said that there was a tall woman

Likely jq

Cuz the next few also arent that

And jq is less recognizable

Than two big gatlings

[past copper]

You know what wow be a cool theme in a season? Hawaiian Gods

I legit believe most people don’t even know about them

[ruby ridge]

I didn’t know they existed until now

[shrewd anvil]

if reaper has to piss

like his bladder is filled to the BRIM

and then he wraiths

what happens

[cunning burrow]

same thing as the rest of his organs

his blood dosent spill out when he wraiths

[keen summit]

What i do wonder is if mauga is very important in talon now cuz his origin story seems to indicate it

[silver dock]

probably since talon asked him about bap

[keen summit]

Well no that wouldnt suffice i think

I think its more cuz hes an absolute beast AND smart

[shrewd anvil]

piss and blood are different, given that one is essential and the other is a waste product

i don’t see why he’d retain waste

[keen summit]

He doesnt have waste

[shrewd anvil]

it seems so, yeah. obv he’s designed to be on the frontlines but i doubt some guy who is just kinda good at his job would met all of talon’s officials

let alone work with them

he’s gotta play a more vital role

[keen summit]

Hes probs like sombra and widow eank, powerfull assets, not council tho

[shrewd anvil]

i’m sure so, yeah

it’s interesting to think about why he’d be in that position though

[keen summit]

Well probs cuz he performs really well

[shrewd anvil]

does he just excel at his job and was selected because of that?

maybe

[keen summit]

He already in what you left behind got send in basically alone

[keen summit]

Likely, powerfull and smart

[shrewd anvil]

it is probably that

i guess he stands out in a lot of other ways

it’s not too hard to figure that out

[keen summit]

We know mauga is very tactical

We dont know how the system works in talpn

[shrewd anvil]

i love how a lot of people working with Talon (Baptiste, Sigma, most of the grunts and nameless soldiers) do/did so because they were manipulated in some way

but Mauga’s just a terrorist

[keen summit]

Mauga is complicated too

[shrewd anvil]

true, yeah. i kinda wish we could learn more about them

[keen summit]

Mauga used to fight about a good cause

[shrewd anvil]

there’s keeping Talon mysterious and there’s remembering Talon is in the Overwatch universe

[keen summit]

But lots of the people he fought with died, and he cheated death. Obv u wouldnt take death serious

[shrewd anvil]

(Blizzard for the love of god PLEASE milk the lore to death already)

[keen summit]

Talon tho has so many smart people

Its kinda surprising of the ratio

[shrewd anvil]

*shit, i probably should’ve read the comics before actually trying to talk about lore

i always forget about them*

[keen summit]

Moira, doom, mauga, sigma, sombra all are very smart

Only leaves reaper and widow

Maximillian is also quite smart bit mainly money wise

Sanjay we can assume he is

[shrewd anvil]

even then, Reaper was in charge of Blackwatch for a reason

[keen summit]

While ow has... mei winston mercy

[keen summit]

Mainly cuz he was more gut feeling

[shrewd anvil]

but we all know how that ended up

[keen summit]

And was very syrong + actually stronger than soldier 76 at first

So logical chooce to make the strong but bad with media person be in charge of ir

[shrewd anvil]

how does Overwatch even get by lol

[keen summit]

Reaper wasnt exacty like above normal smart

[keen summit]

Well cuz they know what to do

[shrewd anvil]

i’m surprised Talon hasn’t wiped them out already

in a world where Overwatch weren’t the protagonists that HAD to live i’m convinced they’d be in an even worse position tbh

[keen summit]

They dont need to be insanely smart

[shrewd anvil]

not because they’re dumb, but moreso outnumbered

funny monkey bubble can only protect you so much against 500 nameless idiots with guns

[keen summit]

Yeah, likely just cuz theyre not hunted down yet

[keen summit]

You seem to forget that overeatch heroes are insanely powerfull compared to those

[shrewd anvil]

isn’t there a short where reaper and widowmaker attack winston at Gibraltar?

[keen summit]

We killed tons in tetribution as reaper genji cass and moira

[keen summit]

Just reaper

[shrewd anvil]

i’m more behind/forgetful on most lore than i’d like to admit btw

[keen summit]

Winston beat reaper + 4 troopers

[shrewd anvil]

i had a feeling i was wrong

might’ve merged two of their missions together

[shrewd anvil]

and as far as i know, they haven’t moved their base of operations at all

[keen summit]

Infiltration was widow sombra reaper, maybe u meant museum thing which is questionay canon

[keen summit]

And we KNOW talon knows

[shrewd anvil]

exactly

[keen summit]

Mauga has a picture with baptiste next to Gibraltar

[shrewd anvil]

on april first they should pull up with one footsoldier

[keen summit]

Its more that doom likely wants to crush them in public to stir unrest

[shrewd anvil]

lure as many agents out as they can

and sneak about 200 more inside

[keen summit]

Nah if he plans an attack

[shrewd anvil]

fair point

[keen summit]

Expect the experts to go

Mauga especially

Mauga easily rivals most of ow in pure strength

[shrewd anvil]

if we get two more talon supports they can wipe out Overwatch with GOATS

or just enslave lucio and brig ig

[keen summit]

Keep in mind overwatch only has winston for upper power level in lore

[shrewd anvil]

genji seems like a good contender but i have very little faith in anyone else

[keen summit]

With agents overwatcg iscoutmatched

[keen summit]

Glass cannon

[shrewd anvil]

✅

[keen summit]

He can deal alot but take almost nothing

However

Ow has more

[shrewd anvil]

that short where he gets one shot by doom

[keen summit]

Notice how he never gets hit otherwise, thing is tho Mauga is super tsctical so he could probs hit genji too

Doom hit genji cuz he outsmarted him

If genji cant dodge hes out

[shrewd anvil]

shit, sorry. i’ve just realised it’s really late for me

i’m tired, so i’m going to head to bed now

cutting things short sucks lol

[keen summit]

Mauga id probs put in power level above lots but still below the upper level

[shrewd anvil]

yeah i can’t see him competing with the most OP characters but he is an absolute unit

terrifying

[keen summit]

Just cause doom, orisa, winston, sigma (potentially), lw and sym (both potentially) are all on different levels

[shrewd anvil]

ok me bye

good talking !! Indeed

[keen summit]

Above rein for sure, hes likely the strongest one right below it just cause hes tactical + power

[shrewd anvil]

i’m guessing you might continue for a bit but i just won’t respond

[keen summit]

This guy dropped into a church window

[shrewd anvil]

||been thinking about that scene this whole time lol||

[keen summit]

Yeah to explain Further incasec someone picks it up

Mauga cheated death atleast twicectoo

Not as insane as reaper survival but reaper just has that he doesnt die, thats all really. Compared to others thays not enough

[rare trail]

mauga is probably like top 7

[keen summit]

Power levels who are complete mysteries: aka no real lore showcase if power and no way to say that it could be more powerfull.

Illari; we dont know if she can do the burst on command now, if she can shes defo up there.
Ramattra: what can he do with his nanobots, how strong is nemesis etc
Zen: we just dont know anything combat wise. He could use bots like rama which makes sense thematically

[rare trail]

top 7 is kinda generous

[keen summit]

Then u have, strong humans, these are legit just humans who are better than others

Aka cass, ashe, bap

[keen summit]

Yeah

Hes up there tho

Id say top of the like lets say A tier of power

[rare trail]

yea

he isnt beating like orisa winston sigma sym lw reaper doom

[keen summit]

Hes powerfull, borderline unkillable, but compared to creating matter , controlling gravity, insane offensive power, litterally power and immivable object

[rare trail]

but he probably beats most of the cast

[keen summit]

Reaper we really dont know

[rare trail]

reaper is like almost unkillable

[keen summit]

As reaper consistently gets beat by einston

[rare trail]

winston is top 4

mauga would get beat by winston

[keen summit]

We know but he also barely beats anyone

[keen summit]

Yeah

[rare trail]

thats just because hes the villain

[keen summit]

He still had trouble with the volskaya mechs

[twilit patrol]

Mauga get beat by Winston?

[keen summit]

He probs would yeah in lore

[twilit patrol]

I think he's very strong

Yes

[keen summit]

Winston could rival doom in lore in strength

Doom is the strongest from what we know in pure physical strength

[rare trail]

idk

primal rage winston is probably stronger

[twilit patrol]

True

[keen summit]

Its similair keeping at that

We dont know

As he likely punched doom in the face

Not on the fist

Why would he

Doom tho os only strong in one arm while winston with both

Mauga is very powerfull tho

Easily beats most of the talon and even ow agents, just the most important ones not, and sigma potentially

Makes sense tho cuz that seems to be what he does in talon, he gets send in alone to "take care of a situation" clears it out and goes back, not like sombra where its stealth and intel covert stuff, widow assasination, reaper anything that takes risks, mauga is just the powerhouse you send in

One u dont have to command either cuz he is tactical aswell

But thats likely the entire idea, both sides have a powerhouse bit winston is considered the strongest (till we get confirmed about limits of sigma and vishkar stuff) so talon has another powerhouse and 1 potential weapon

[peak escarp]

Winston has defeated Doomfist

Orisa was specifically built to defeat Doomfist, and forced him to retreat when they fought (with Lucio's help)

Mauga isn't that strong, he's just psychotic and has two very large guns

[keen summit]

Thats what i meant

Hes nowhere near doom

So hes in a potential attack mainly to take care of the otherw

[peak escarp]

Mauga is just a weapon

[past copper]

So, in the case of Egyptian Mythos theme, who’s more likely to be Ra? Pharah or Illari

[keen summit]

Ramattra

Atleast if its mythic it wouldnt surprise me

[past copper]

Nah. Ramattra might be someone else

Maybe Sobek

It depends tho. Pretty sure only gods with familiar names would be made a skin

Anubis, Ra, Bastet, etc.

[keen summit]

Nah honestly rama will be ra or anubis

Rama anubis would govhard

Rama was at first egyptian inspiree

[past copper]

I doubt Ram would be Ra

Ra is represented as an hawk and god of the sun. So either Pharah or Illari would fit

Although, imagine if Illari was released in the Shinto theme. She would’ve been Amaterasu for sure

[dense nebula]

Reminder he is also a skilled tactician

Not to Doom’s level but he’s not an absolute mindless imp running in guns blazing majority of the time

[peak escarp]

when did they say that?

[dense nebula]

When they were revealing him at Blizzcon

They mentioned that his fun loving carefree attitude is a facade he puts on to hide how how deadly and intelligent he really is

[peak escarp]

sounds like an exaggeration

[dense nebula]

May be

But he’s not an idiot

according to them anyways

[peak escarp]

if he's a brilliant tactician and more than just a psycopath, they have yet to show it

[dense nebula]

Surprisingly enough it’s shown pretty well in his gameplay

You have a be smart and approach from a distance with him at first, and only going in fully when he has a failsafe or he can wipe them out

[peak escarp]

how does that show Mauga being smart?

[dense nebula]

Maybe smart wasn’t the right word

More

Tactile

According to Blizzard he’s a skilled tactician who hides his tactical prowess under a mindless buffoon facade

[peak escarp]

that's what they say

but they haven't shown it

[dense nebula]

I guess we’ll find out more come the PvE missions

Those are supposed to be talon themed right?

[peak escarp]

they could say Cassidy is a genius but unless they show it I'm not going to believe it

[keen summit]

Countless times

[hushed jetty]

it was also mentioned in wylb that mauga is smarter than he acts. he puts on a facade

[peak escarp]

he says that about himself

[hushed jetty]

no it was baptiste that said that about him

[peak escarp]

it's still us being told he's actually really smart

instead of showing him being smarter than he looks

which is bad storytelling

[hushed jetty]

to be fair we've only seen him like twice

but ig i get what you mean

[uneven isle]

So does he have two hearts?

[azure bluff]

Yeah

[uneven isle]

Is that why he’s so big?

Or did he just work out a lot

Cuz he was already big before

[hushed jetty]

he was proportional before but he got 2 hearts so he got Bigger

[uneven isle]

Ah

Isn’t junkrat also like really smart. Didn’t he teach himself auto engineering?

He just acts stupid

[hushed jetty]

junkrat is smart but he's also nuts due to radiation i think

so a bit of both

[uneven isle]

Ah

[vapid tusk]

I’ve also heard this about Mauga

Blizzard will probably get to the demonstrating part soon tho

Im not saying that blizzard is wrong but like the description, all we’ve seen so far is the facade side

[keen summit]

Hes dumb in anything but bombd

[golden oak]

Is it possible we’ll see mauga in talon council soon?

[peak escarp]

not likely

[hushed jetty]

doubt

[dense nebula]

Mauga doesn’t seem like one of the big elite

He’s more like the weapon you send in when you want shit done

[uneven isle]

So he’s just a brute?

Does he have any kind of rank?

Or special status

[opaque swan]

I think that he’s known as the “Big guy” like his special status is what people say about him and what it means if he’s called in

[uneven isle]

Ah I see

[cunning burrow]

he's the talon equivalent of a foot soldier

[dense nebula]

Not really

He’s way more than that

[past copper]

Not really. Mauga is probably sergeant. But that’s still a grunt

[peak escarp]

he's definitely not a leader

[worthy rose]

i like overwatch

[sick oyster]

i like mercys huge ass on my screen

[worn latch]

Ok bro

[wheat merlin]

Someone explain the overwatch lore from start to present

[past copper]

The world was once a peaceful place with a company, Omnica Corp., building machines to help the world. That is until the company was shut down for corruption. However, the factories suddenly started back up and began building killing machines. A war broke out without warning. A God Program, Anubis, went rogue and took over all omnic minds to wipe out humanity. This would become known as the Omnic Crisis

All looked bleak, until a special operations strike team was formed. Overwatch. Soldiers, scientists, oddities worked together to stop fight back against the omnics and eventually contain Anubis when the first sentient omnic, Aurora, sacrificed her life to free all omnics from Anubis by giving them her sentience, thus bringing the war to the Crisis to an end

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/4wVaqOQS-xU

[cunning burrow]

too controversial

[ruby ridge]

I gave each hero a dC lantern corp

thoughts and onions??

J didn’t add life and death they’re boring

[hushed jetty]

i have No idea what any of this means i wont lie to u

[ruby ridge]

Oh…

[peak escarp]

I'm vaguely familiar with the lantern corps and I disagree with Symmetra being orange

she is not greedy

[ruby ridge]

I wasent really sure on what to put her as

Maybe compassion but

[peak escarp]

hope fits well - she wants to make the world a better place

[ruby ridge]

That would work well

[worthy rose]

Love how hanzo is on fear😭

(Im a hanzo main)

[amber yarrow]

Mauga could go in love (for himself)

[wheat merlin]

Woah thanks man. Is Anubis in the game a character or a thing

[twilit patrol]

No

[rancid fjord]

yes

[silk lark]

both

Anubis is the program that took over I believe

[peak escarp]

Anubis is the god program that caused the omnic crisis

[twilit patrol]

Can we consider a god program as a character?

[dense nebula]

Depends, did it have a personality in the lore or comics

[peak escarp]

yes

[silk lark]

if its sentient yes

even if it isnt actually

[peak escarp]

Anubis isn't sentient

[silk lark]

yeah ik

thats why I said if it isnt

Id count it as a character tho

[peak escarp]

but neither is Echo or Orisa, so that's not really a determining factor

[silk lark]

Yeah thats why I took it back

forgot abt them

would ball be sentient

not the hamster

but the ball

[peak escarp]

no

it's just an AI

[rancid fjord]

Lore

[past copper]

You welcome, but the story goes further then that

I just passed out before I could finish explaining

Short version is, after the war, OW operated as a global defense force against terrorist/extremist groups and criminal organizations for a few years until getting shut down for rumors over keeping secrets from the public n abusing their authority

Now, a new threat has emerged in the form of Null Sector and it’s up to Overwatch to fight them. With what few resources and members they have. All while Talon is pulling the strings from the shadows. Only thing we currently know of them RN is they’re possibly aiming to capture or eliminate Zenyatta

[vivid storm]

what's the whole deal with ramattra and zenyatta?

are they evil?

[final willow]

anyone got a good like video or reading that explains the whole current lore/history

ping me if you got one thanks a ton

[vivid storm]

https://youtu.be/4wVaqOQS-xU

[leaden galleon]

Zenyatta isn't evil

[vivid storm]

explain yourself

[silk lark]

Like yin and yang

[leaden galleon]

Extended answer:

In the first omnic crisis, Dr. Liao's newly invented omnic Aurora gave up her life in exchange for all Omnics gaining sentience. This allowed them to choose peace instead of continuing to fight in the war. Not only did this end the crisis but Omnics now were looking for a purpose in their life as Aurora once did. People were still hunting Omnics after the crisis though because most of them were solely designed for war. Ramattra was a Ravager omnic, which was one of these said designs. When Ramattra heard about Aurora, he went to the Shambali Monastery where he met Mondatta and learned the importance of coexisting with humans. While travelling the world to spread his message of peace, Ramattra met Zenyatta and recruited him into the Shambali. At some point Ramattra became frustrated that his missions of promoting peace between Omnics and humans made no progress, so he resorted to more violent means in hopes of giving Omnics a better life.

Zenyatta on the other hand remains true to what Aurora wanted: Choosing peace, and teaching it. I don't think there's much else to him besides that yet.

[vivid storm]

fucking loser lol

ramattra is so based

[past copper]

Ramattra only wants his people to live without prejudice

Nothing wrong with that since that’s what most people want in life

[wheat merlin]

Who’s operating Anubis tho

[wheat merlin]

Talon? And why zenyatta? Sorry for all the questions

[past copper]

Talon is a global terrorist organization that’s been operating since the end of the Omnic Crisis that Overwatch has been trying to put a stop to for years. Their goal, under Doomfist’s leadership, is to begin another global war to strengthen humanity

It’s very likely they’re using Ramattra and Null Sector to achieve this. Why they’re targeting Zenyatta now is unclear and we won’t find out until next year

[hushed jetty]

anubis was contained by helix security (the people pharah worked with) iirc

[dense nebula]

Pretty sure Ramattra doesn’t even like Anubis

in one of his dialogues with Pharah he mentions Pharah should’ve destroyed him

[hushed jetty]

anubis isnt even "dead" though so in theory it could be released again

i wonder how tht would turn out

[dense nebula]

Imagine if Anubis got a host

Or a vessel to control as its actual body

potential Anubis hero in the future for an Omnic Civil War?

[hushed jetty]

waitttt that would be sick

[orchid crag]

Probably a boss or something. I doubt a playable character.

Since it’s the entirety of the omnic crisis in a box. How would they balance that?

[hushed jetty]

idk but itd be cool

[orchid crag]

Of course I didn’t mean to shut you down.

Sorry

[dense nebula]

I could see them pulling a Three Vikings for Anubis

Controlling 3 different Omnic hosts each pertaining to a role but keeping the overall role’s identity

[leaden galleon]

They're likely targeting him for the same reason they assassinated Mondatta. If you want to create conflict, you silence the strongest advocates for peace

[hushed jetty]

its not like zenyatta is a global figure like mondatta was though

zenyatta is just some guy

i imagine its bc ramattra doesnt want zenyatta getting accidentally subjugated or something

maybe to try to convince him to work w null sector

[dense nebula]

Ram is working with Talon right now isn’t he?

So that would make sense

[leaden galleon]

That sounds more plausible actually

[orchid crag]

How? I don’t think Zen would hover over to Null and be like, “waz up!” And join.

Why would he?

[dense nebula]

try

[orchid crag]

???

Try what? The food?

It’s not that good.

[leaden galleon]

Well it sounds better than what I said originally. I didn't consider that Zenyatta isn't a known figure in the way Mondatta was

[dense nebula]

[leaden galleon]

Obviously it sounds like an offer Zenyatta would decline but Talon would try to force him into it or kill him

[hushed jetty]

im pretty sure ||genji jumps in to save him anyway||

[orchid crag]

Probably

But Zen can hold his own especially in the mountains. (Zen kick)

[leaden galleon]

Yeah, ||Genji and Zen are gonna be playable|| in the next mission, whenver it comes

There's some scraps from online Blizzcon 2021 that we haven't played yet

[orchid crag]

I need to go buy the story mission pack…

I don’t know what’s happening.

[hushed jetty]

im so excited for the next missons tbh. i NEED talon content

mauga BETTER be there

[leaden galleon]

Unless they scrapped it already, they're gonna be doing a story mission for ||Midtown|| at some point

You can see sketches of it briefly in their 2021 showing

The thing is about Talon content, what kind of enemies would they face? The only PvE enemies we've seen thus far are Talon and Null Sector soldiers

[hushed jetty]

vs overwatch i guess

it would be interesting to fight ai overwatch heroes

maybe if the ai was. better.

[past copper]

Examples of likely new Talon enemies

The guy with the shotgun and the fat one with the shield

Original Talon Enemies:
Trooper
Enforcer
Assassin
Sniper
Heavy Assault

New Enemies Based off the New Blood Comics:
Security Drone
Talon Lieutenant (big guy with shotgun)
Talon Grenader (fat guy with shield)

[vapid tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mighty-eagle-says-no-eagle-says-no-meme-mighty-eagle-says-no-meme-angry-bird-eagle-says-no-angry-bird-mighty-says-no-gif-17303753736437070323

[echo shoal]

Was soldier and reaper a part of the same experiment

[verbal canyon]

Did talon learn widow to be a great sniper or?

[leaden galleon]

Yes, they trained her to be a sniper

[leaden galleon]

They both were participants in the super soldier experiment

They weren't the only ones, but they were among the handful of people who survived it

[echo shoal]

Thnx

[keen summit]

Yeah its also what i wonder

Maybe police forces but thats all that there are

Vishkar is with them too

Talons only enemies are overwatch and very VERY maybe shambali but they likely dont care

Maybe theyll say "torbjorn has re-engineered null sector robots to work for overwatch" or sum

[keen summit]

Thing th9 its likely talon missions as in vs talon

I do wonder what they were going to zen for, mondatta hit was likely called by rama but zen? He still likes zen as a person

Maybe try to kill zen and then pin it on humanity to make ramattra moee angry?

Ofcourse theyd fail cuz tho i dont think its out of the question someone will die, its more that they wouldnt do it that early as mission 4-6

[ruby ridge]

J really wanna play as talon

I really

[keen summit]

But what could the enemies be

It wouldve been for hero missions

[ruby ridge]

Could be unrelated

Like a stealth mission

Or ppl like voldkaya

Volskaya

[keen summit]

I just dont see what u could make them

And still have them feel interesting

I think for pve we'll stay on overwatch side cuz they dont want to do that much so keeping it to what we have rn makes sense

[merry mason]

Make them fight helix

[keen summit]

I mean igbut gow much can u truely do withcthar

[worthy rose]

I don’t think reaper really had a choice 😭 bro was half dead

[keen summit]

uhhh nmo???

reaper was in the expiriment before overwatch existed

[worthy rose]

Moira had found reaper

[rare trail]

the super soldier experiment wasnt done by moira

it wasnt what turned reaper into reaper

[worthy rose]

she is responsible for Reaper's medical condition that gave him his abilities, in an effort to save his life after injury. ??

She went to black watch because of a damaged reputation eventually going to become a falcon council member

[rare trail]

its called talon not falcon

and the super soldier program is different

[worthy rose]

Auto correct-

I know it’s called talon

[worthy rose]

I never mentioned the super solider tho. Reaper is totally different

[rare trail]

you were replying to someone who mentioned it

the super soldier program happened before overwatch to gabriel and jack

moira wasnt involved

what caused gabriel to become reaper and get his wraith powers isnt the super soldier program

[worthy rose]

They mentioned reaper and solider

I was talking about reaper

[worthy rose]

I know this 🤦

[rare trail]

so then what does this mean?

you were responding to the super soldier thing but he wasnt half dead for that

[worthy rose]

Bro. They said “They both were participants in the super soldier experiment” responding to a comment that said “ Was soldier and reaper a part of the same experiment”

I was talking about reaper

And all I said was he didn’t really have a choice

[rare trail]

the way you worded it made it very confusing

[worthy rose]

Ohhh

[dense nebula]

You know I’m starting to wonder if Roadhog is all that intelligent based on some of the plans he agrees to do with Junkrat

[spare fox]

it's more that he thinks the world is so shite it deserves to get wrecked by someone like Junkrat

[dense nebula]

You think he actually enjoys the heists or is he just in it for the money?

HOW THE FUCK IS ROADHOG ONLY 550lbs?

[spare fox]

imo probably both - guy likes a good time but he's not as energetic as junkrat, and who doesn't enjoy money especially at the expense of those who in his opinion ruined the world

[peak escarp]

what do you mean only

550lbs is a lot

[dense nebula]

Surely he’d be heavier

at least 650lbs

Maybe even 700lbs

[peak escarp]

he's heavy enough

[spare fox]

and idk, does it really matter? lol he's huge, who cares what the number is

[dense nebula]

So we had a discussion last night regarding Anubis, he’s not dead is he?

[spare fox]

just quarantined

[dense nebula]

So theoretically, he could return, maybe as a PvE exclusive villain?

[keen summit]

i mean he COULD

but that would be a whole new storyline

[dense nebula]

But do the devs want to bring him back is the better question

[keen summit]

and i heavily doubt theyd want to create more than the normal one

[dense nebula]

Cause personally, I’d love to have Null Sector get into a civil war against Anubis and his Hivemind army

[keen summit]

thing is

it seems more like an extra threat after null sector is dealt with

like a "this story is over but bamn new antagonist"

it would feel unsatisfying if rama and espec doom were built up, just for the main villair to become anubis again

[dense nebula]

I mean he could serve as Ram’s antagonist

A foil to him

[keen summit]

that was mondatta

hes dead

[dense nebula]

Where Ram seeks to end oppression of omnics, Anubis simply seeks to wipe out humanity and those that are of individual thought

[keen summit]

mondatta was ramas foil

they arent even close in motivation

anubis and doom are more similair than anubis and ramattra

[dense nebula]

Then have him be Doom’s antagonist idfk

Where with Ram he has a bit more control and reason compared to Anubis’s “lmao just shoot them all”

[keen summit]

it would fit more, but the real question is why

[dense nebula]

Have it be a true test of his entire philosophy

[keen summit]

you do know why anubis is doing it right

[dense nebula]

Not entirely

[keen summit]

humanity and ecology werent able to coexist in its opinion. they cant both have humanity keep existing and keep the world healthy, so it chose to kill humanity

[dense nebula]

Sounds like a run of the mill logic fueled ai villain alright

[keen summit]

it legit decided "humanity does too much pollution, destroy humanity"

[twilit patrol]

Agreed

[keen summit]

except that the reason it happened was cuz people got over reliant and just went eh its fine. anubis was actually one of the FEW who did sum bad

[twilit patrol]

How many deaths in the crisis?

[keen summit]

the one from finland was such a sad end

apologizing as it went away

[dense nebula]

You know what would be a nice extension of Anubis’s motive?

If he saw the new awakened omnics to be as bad as humans and go after them as well

[keen summit]

thing is]

anubis has no place in the current storyline

like legit

it would feel like unnecessary addition to pad it out

[dense nebula]

They just have him behind emergency glass when they need a new villain

[keen summit]

thats how i see it yeah

after doom and ram are dealt with they then have 1 more villain they can use as the driving force

[dense nebula]

I’m just saying through pure theoretics that Anubis would make an excellent antagonist and foil to Doom

[keen summit]

so it would likely go ram gets what he wants by working with overwatch and turning himself in, then ram gives info on doom, they get talon, then oh no no more main villain bam anubis escapes and now we wait 4 years till new story

[twilit patrol]

Anubis is back?

[keen summit]

very, VERY loosely, but no more than most others.

[keen summit]

no

its just not destroyed

[twilit patrol]

I still wonder why

[keen summit]

anubis, like 90% of the cast is for a better future, for what they believe in, for the future

[dense nebula]

Plot relevance

[keen summit]

theyre studying it

[twilit patrol]

[keen summit]

thats why, theyre studying it so it cant happen again

thats why it wasnt destroyed

[twilit patrol]

Yeah hopefully

[keen summit]

but id say that if anubis returns, itll be AFTER the main story, or after ram gets defeated

so it can be a new "threat" we wont deal with for 5+ years

[dense nebula]

We need more big threat villains imo

[keen summit]

but thats the thing, thanks to how theyre releasing pve i doubt theyll do what i thought at first, do it in chapters like null sector, talon etc

[dense nebula]

We got Ram, and we got Doom

[keen summit]

which is enough for a long while ngl

[dense nebula]

Depends on how long they milk both of them for story

[keen summit]

we dont need more till those are dealt with

[keen summit]

not even

it would be more annoying if say we are mid arc vs rama and suddenly "oh btw guys this is uhhh an inca tribe close to the inti tribe of illari, theyre planning to like, make the world a sun"

"hey guys remember the hashimoto?? yeah alright ull be fighting those guys over hanaoka"

[spare fox]

it's like they're making sure we know that these factions exist so that later on when they need some kind of enemy it doesn't feel like such an ass pull

[keen summit]

Yea

But thats the thing

For now, talon is the actual big bad, rama seems to be the road to it and then talon is tied to other stuff

[golden oak]

Why torb says (through brig) that many missions with cass failed when cass was with the blackwatch team and torb was with overwatch team?

[rare trail]

i thought they like were pretty close?

theres a lot of pictures with cass and the rest of overwatch so i think they mixed

[ruby ridge]

Pretty sure cass went to the default ow team after black watch disbanded

[golden oak]

After blackwatch disbanded, overwatch disbanded soon as well

Because blackwatch was the thing that got overwatch shut down

[distant sparrow]

550lbs of muscle

can roadhog swim or does all the muscle force him to hop off the bottom like a hippo

[leaden galleon]

I'm kinda bummed Space Ranger isn't going to be a villain

She reminds me a lot of Team Galactic

[peak escarp]

how do you know she won't be a villain?

[stuck mist]

Can someone tell me why talon wanted sigma again? His gravity powers?

[distant sparrow]

his research iirc

[fresh rock]

We aren't 100% sure if she is or isn't. However, based on design alone, she doesn't seem villainy.

[leaden galleon]

If she's Dr. Chao I'm 99% certain she's not a villain unless they go the "big bad CEO" route

There's a room in Lijiang Control Center with a wheelchair (presumably her office) that has a picture of baby Winston with Dr. Harold Winston

[keen summit]

shes MOST likely the friend mei mentions or nobody

she could be a villain still, we dont know

[leaden galleon]

Jiayi and Dr. Chao could be and most likely are the same person

Yeah, I'm not gonna say 100% because they haven't confirmed anything yet

[keen summit]

however its likely not chao

cuz WHEELCHAIR

[leaden galleon]

The wheelchair I think is a nod to Mercy and Winston's voicelines on Dr. Chao from Storm Rising

[keen summit]

why would it be a nod

its one of the few confirmed things bout chao

[leaden galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXb51WNJtcc&t=457s 7:14

[keen summit]

i know

[leaden galleon]

So why do you say it's not her then

[keen summit]

because again, she IS in a wheelchair, it may be her but we really have no clue

it could be her, it could be a lw situation where its JUST a person in the company

[rare trail]

the voiceline kinda gave me the impression the wheelchair might be temperary until she regains bone strength

[keen summit]

thing is she still has it rn

after how long storm rising is

so i think its actually that she didnt take it seriously and broke them

thats why mercy says "remember dr chao" because she didnt take it seriously and it cost her

makes more sense than "are u taking it seriously? remember this person is taking it seriously"

[peak escarp]

it's not likely to be Dr. Chao

first off, she uses a wheelchair

secondly, she would be much older than Space Ranger

[keen summit]

it wouldnt make a good example

if u said say with money
"you are spending to much, remember Bernard?"

what would feel more logical, if bernard spend money relentlessly and it cost him or that he is actually being smart with it and has a set budget?

[peak escarp]

Dr. Chao had poor bone density from too much time in low gravity

so Mercy is warning Winston to take his supplements so he doesn't end up like her

[keen summit]

my point

[leaden galleon]

The Space Ranger concept art had me thinking that the abnormally large shoes were meant to help her fly/levitate around since she couldn't walk due to bone density issues. And when not using them, she'd get around in a wheelchair. This was just my attempt to try and piece stuff together to make the case that SR is in fact Dr. Chao, but I was probably too confident that I was right on this when I shouldn't have been

Reality is that we just don't have enough information on her yet

[dense nebula]

I bet it’s not DR Chao but her daughter

she looks way too young for how old Dr Chao should supposedly be

Since we know both she and Mei went to Lijiang together

And Mei got frozen for nearly a decade

[leaden galleon]

If it's Mei's grad school friend Jiayi, then she's probably going to be in her early 40s.

[peak escarp]

Space Ranger is from the Mars colony

[leaden galleon]

Meaning she grew up there?

[peak escarp]

possibly one of the first generation born there, if she's young

[dense nebula]

Adding to my theory of it being Dr Chao’s daughter

[peak escarp]

how

[dense nebula]

idk

[peak escarp]

Dr. Chao is on Earth

[dense nebula]

Right now I theorize she helped form the colony on Mars then she had a daughter up there

That’s the best I got

[peak escarp]

and is probably in her 50s

[dense nebula]

So chances are Space Ranger has no relation to Dr Chao?

[peak escarp]

probably not

[dense nebula]

Speaking of relations, I remember watching a video detailing the cultural references in some Chinese New Year cosmetics and according to him, based on Mei’s Victory pose where she’s holding up letters all bearing the same character, she’s married

cause apparently it’s a tradition for married couples to give out letters during Chinese New Year

[peak escarp]

what if those are ones she recieved

not ones she's giving away

[dense nebula]

Be weird she received letters all with the same character

But I know two things about CNY

Jack

And Shit

[peak escarp]

those red envelopes usually have the same character on them

[dense nebula]

So she could have received them

[peak escarp]

it means "good fortune"

Mei isn't married

[dense nebula]

He also mentioned how she got the Chang’e skin who was married in mythology. But that seems less connected