lore-discussion

[keen summit]

They are

[proper cloud]

does he say it with the bath skin too? bc his feets are exposed?

@chrome plover

[golden oak]

Why
They missed out on an opportunity to give him a Native American name

Lucheng and oasis maybe

[potent briar]

I kinda wanna see more info on the Oasis Ministers

[keen summit]

Imagine being named english

[potent briar]

Because Moira is the Minister of Genetics

[potent briar]

Still not over this btw

[potent briar]

But what about the other ministers

[keen summit]

No wonder they took anas name

[potent briar]

Fareeha Amari sounds better than Fareeha English

[keen summit]

Could happen eventually

As she talks blut scientific community going against lw

[potent briar]

Guess he won’t be the minister of botany anytime soon

assuming there isn’t already one

Oh hey there is some info on another minister

[keen summit]

I wouldnt know havent researched em

[potent briar]

Anya Al-Shahrani is the minister of geology and helped found Oasis

That’s basically it

💀

[keen summit]

My book is coming next week so ill be recapped and added to my lore knowledge

[potent briar]

Other ministers are unnamed

[potent briar]

You should send me one

Because I want one too

[twilit patrol]

What one?

[keen summit]

Well we know venture is connected to petra excavation

[keen summit]

Overwatch declassified

[twilit patrol]

Oh I see

I didn’t buy it yet

It came out nov 2 for me

[potent briar]

It could be possible that Venture is linked to the Ministry of Geology

Not as a future minister but a member

[twilit patrol]

Idk if I should take it

[keen summit]

My point exactly

[keen summit]

I just enjoy merch and having something to reference

[potent briar]

Or at the very least a Ministry of Archaeology if that exists

[twilit patrol]

It is the Overwatch past so it may be interesting

[keen summit]

If i dont know for sure i cab reference a source i know is credible

[keen summit]

With mew things

So ill be reading up on it

[potent briar]

Iirc it tells the lore of what happened prior to Recall

[golden oak]

We know 2 other i think

[twilit patrol]

I just don’t use to read a book

[potent briar]

I mentioned one but idk about a second one besides her or Moira

[keen summit]

Wasnt moira exiled from oasis thi

[potent briar]

No idea

[keen summit]

Cuz her expiriments were inhumane, thats why she was asked by blackwatch

[potent briar]

Considering Oasis has as much morals as a group of dolphins, it wouldn’t put it past me if they didn’t care much

[golden oak]

No

[potent briar]

Oasis doesn't believe in limitations when it comes to science

[keen summit]

Oh then mb

[golden oak]

^

[potent briar]

They also have wolfbats 💀

Wolfbats

[golden oak]

There’s even her recent interactions with LW which hints that she’s still at oasis

[golden oak]

Junkertown has double cows

[potent briar]

She also offers a job to Mercy for Oasis

[potent briar]

Yeah but what would be more intimidating

Fallout cows or flying wolves

damn it now I wanna see a hero with a wolfbat companion

stop giving me ideas, ow lore

[keen summit]

hm

I mean

[cunning burrow]

damn you ow lore

[potent briar]

always giving me impossible ideas

[cunning burrow]

we need a show for ow lore

[potent briar]

: (

[keen summit]

I wouldnt mind another minister, but the tiugh part is that theyl need to be well done so they dont feel like moira 2

[cunning burrow]

i want more sigma lore and i want it NOW

[potent briar]

I want more villains

[keen summit]

Cuz oasis' ideas are legit what moira represents

[keen summit]

You just got the most unapologetically evil guy

[potent briar]

Ik

I want more tho

[keen summit]

Same

[cunning burrow]

why does echo sound so confused when she says maugas name lmao

she's like mau nga?

[keen summit]

However i feel like the ministers might be too similair

[potent briar]

Sanjay, Max, one of the rogue apes from the moon

Planet of the apes mf

[keen summit]

Proper way of saying it

[golden oak]

That’s the correct pronunciation

[cunning burrow]

when are we adding balderich as a playable character

[cunning burrow]

no ik that

[potent briar]

He's dead

[cunning burrow]

but she sounds so confused

[cunning burrow]

i know but shut up

a man can dream

[golden oak]

When they invent actual resurrection

[potent briar]

Of a skeleton?

[keen summit]

Imagine anubis in omnic form

[potent briar]

That mf never left Eichenwalde

[cunning burrow]

make mercy res canon thx

[potent briar]

Oh god

[cunning burrow]

actually
skeleton rein would be a sick skin

[keen summit]

Or another god program

[potent briar]

He’s got a Draugr skin

[golden oak]

Balderich would just be rein 2.0

[keen summit]

Fun fact, anubis was the program of ecology

Anubis likely saw humanity as pollution

[cunning burrow]

yeah but i want a full on skeleton

[keen summit]

So decided to wipe them out

[potent briar]

They were cooking

[cunning burrow]

whats anubis

[golden oak]

What if Mei created Anubis and she made it kill humans on purpose because she’s actually evil

[potent briar]

I knew it

[cunning burrow]

mei is evil

noone can prove me wrong

[potent briar]

No one with morals giggles at freezing people to death

[cunning burrow]

ong

[potent briar]

That would be excruciatingly painful

[cunning burrow]

tbf i love good meis
makes rein so fun

[potent briar]

I wish rein was more fun

Anyway off topic

[cunning burrow]

im a rein otp

[potent briar]

Uhhh

[cunning burrow]

💀

[potent briar]

There are other god programs iirc

Based on deities of different cultures

[golden oak]

And now she joined ow so she can know their secrets and sabotage their missions

[cunning burrow]

whats you guys favourite ow short

[cunning burrow]

holy shit mei lore

[potent briar]

Snowball is made as housing unit for the trapped souls of the dead ecopoint scientists

[golden oak]

Wdym

[potent briar]

Hmmm

[cunning burrow]

whats your favourite short

[golden oak]

What short?

[potent briar]

Cinematics

[golden oak]

Oh

[potent briar]

For me it would be the one with Cassidy, Ashe, and Echo

I forgot what it was called

[cunning burrow]

oh thats a good one

mine is honor and glory

brings a tear to my eye every time

"die with glory,old friend"

and the symbolism behind rein giving balderich his hammer 😭😭😭😭

[golden oak]

I don’t like the way young rein looks

They did him dirty

Wild how balderich is the only human character we saw dying in the cinematics

[cunning burrow]

true

[cunning burrow]

wdym

he looks fine

hes pretty much how id imagine a young rein

[golden oak]

Idk, looks weird to me

Personally prefer this version of him

[rare trail]

how old is he there?

like 36?

[golden oak]

No

[rare trail]

uhh 41?

that picture was 22 years ago right?

[golden oak]

Here he should be late forties

Or over 50 maybe

[rare trail]

mercy is 17 in that photo right?

[golden oak]

Yes

[rare trail]

so then he should be 41 in that photo

because mercy is 39 now so if she was 17 then it was 22 years ago and rein is 63 now

[peak escarp]

that old art was weird

[rare trail]

i assume ages werent fully nailed down yet?

thats from ana origin right?

[peak escarp]

they had a rough idea

[rare trail]

i see a ton of people bring it up as evidence they changed mercys age and shes supposed to be 50 before they changed it for pharmercy but like she doesnt look 30 there so idk

[golden oak]

How come reaper and rein have like no interactions

[azure bluff]

You know, I hadn't noticed that until you brought it up. It's very odd.

[peak escarp]

they weren't close friends

[azure bluff]

Even so, you would've thought there would be some interaction

[rare trail]

rein and moira have a few interactions right?

[peak escarp]

they haven't changed Mercy's age, those people are just trying to start trouble

[azure bluff]

Does Rein have much dialogue with Genji or Cass?

(I haven't played the PVE missions, so forgive me if they're together in one or more of them)

[golden oak]

I wonder why
Especially when they had mutual friends (Ana, Jack)

[peak escarp]

could be that Reinhardt found his methods dishonorable

[azure bluff]

That's my thought too, which is why I asked about the other former Blackwatch members

I know he and Moira have some antagonistic interactions

But given Rein's sense of honour being the foundation of him as a person, it wouldn't surprise me if he completely disapproved of Blackwatch as a whole

[golden oak]

Lijiang?

[peak escarp]

Hanamura

it's the Blackwatch mission to take down the Shimada clan

[golden oak]

Genji casually arresting his family lmao

Btw why did genji approve of assassinating Antonio

[peak escarp]

because he's used to being an assassin

[golden oak]

He was almost assassinated tho

And then approves of vigilante assassination, doesn’t add up

[peak escarp]

Genji wasn't almost assassinated

Hanzo attacked him

Hanzo wasn't trying to kill him, but nearly did anyway

[golden oak]

Are you sure?

[dense nebula]

I’m more confused about Pharah in the photo

To me that doesn’t look like a 12 year old

[peak escarp]

the clan elders told him to straighten Genji out

[dense nebula]

Looks more like a 6-8 year old

[peak escarp]

not to kill him

[peak escarp]

art is subjective

[dense nebula]

Makes finding out ages a bitch though

[peak escarp]

just trust the numbers

[dense nebula]

Look at Kiriko

[peak escarp]

don't worry about the art

Cassidy in that image certainly doesn't look 17

the only art of young Cassidy that actually makes him look his age is the cover of Deadlock Rebels

[golden oak]

Oh but he pulled out his sword and everything?

[peak escarp]

you can fight someone without trying to kill them

[golden oak]

Yeah, with fists

[peak escarp]

Hanzo and Genji are both trained swordsmen

why would they fight with fists

also, if Hanzo was trying to kill Genji why would he feel remorse for it

[golden oak]

Cuz with swords you can leave someone permanently injured and that’s exactly what happened

[peak escarp]

it still wasn't an assassination

Genji would have no objection to performing assassinations himself

[golden oak]

Ok but I still think genji should’ve been more appalled by that

[peak escarp]

yes the literal trained assassin should have moral issues with assassinating a Talon leader

makes sense

[golden oak]

Doesn’t matter who it was
It was vigilantism

[peak escarp]

and?

why would he care about vigilantism

[zenith mango]

Hanzo lore is so interesting

[merry mason]

because black ops soldiers are famous for hating extrajudicual killing

[golden oak]

Cass went through the same training

[peak escarp]

Cassidy wanted to kill Antonio but Reyes said no

then Reyes killed Antonio anyway

that's what Cassidy is mad about

not the fact that they killed him, it's the fact that Reyes made a plan to kidnap him then threw the plan out the window

[golden oak]

He still hated being in blackwatch
Even said he will never forgive himself for what happened In Hanamura

[peak escarp]

okay? what does that have to do with Genji?

also Cassidy did not have the same assassin training as Genji

[golden oak]

Would current genji do that? He did say he was blinded with rage during blackwatch times

[peak escarp]

current Genji wouldn't

he has come a long way since then

[golden oak]

He was also put in a situation with only two options
Joining blackwatch or being disabled

[ruby ridge]

Really makes me wonder

After every omnic gained sentience which were just ai, why didn’t the good programs also gain sentence?

sentience

[peak escarp]

omnics aren't just an AI in a robot body

there's more to them than that

AI and drones are unable to be awakened

[chrome plover]

Idk. I dont have those skins

[golden oak]

I guess the exception would be bastion?

[peak escarp]

yes

and it's a major mystery as to why Bastion was able to be awakened

[golden oak]

What if bastion could be a key to understand this whole awakening better

Torb is already examining that

And they’re trying to figure out those helmets null sectors put on them

Which somehow took away their souls

[keen summit]

Always thought he counted as awakening omnic but was just asleep

[peak escarp]

Declassified goes into it a little

[quick grail]

i need the whole page of that because i know is the only page pharah is even mentioned in this book, dissapointed as always, at least a page for every hero to tell their basic backstory

[peak escarp]

the book is a history of the Overwatch organization - it wouldn't make sense to have pages for non-Overwatch members

[quick grail]

doesnt mean is less crap no one else is mentioned, 200 pages come on

dva, pharah, zarya and batiste are on the godamn cover

[peak escarp]

I don't have the book, I don't know if Pharah is mentioned anywhere else

also D.Va, Zarya and Baptiste aren't mentioned as far as I know

[quick grail]

somebody on twitter said zarya only appears on an image at the end, so im assuming no one else besides the original ow have an entry in the book

and the other book which is about stories, not just lore, actual stories with beginning and end will dont have her either

[peak escarp]

Pharah isn't a very important character

she's part of the story missions, but that's about it

[quick grail]

neither kiriko and she is the face of the game right now

thanks to remind me how pissed im pharha have like two voice lines in thw crap pve and no pve in sight at all

[peak escarp]

how is Kiriko the face of the game?

[golden oak]

What are cassidy’s talents doomfist is talking about

[golden oak]

I guess because she gets a lot of love with skins and stuff
She sells the game

[peak escarp]

I mean that I don't see her being used as the face of the game that much

[golden oak]

Also she’s attracting weebs to spend money on the game so it all makes sense i guess

[peak escarp]

maybe an ad here or there, but other heroes are on the ads too

[golden oak]

Yeah maybe not in advertisements but she’s a popular character for sure

[azure bluff]

It kinda feels like Kiriko has been pushed more than all the other new heroes

[golden oak]

Definitely

[azure bluff]

But this isn't really lore stuff

And honestly, her lore is kinda lame?

[golden oak]

“Overwatch again Cassidy? Haven’t they proven unworthy of your talents?”

[azure bluff]

I'd presume it'd be about his skills as a gunslinger. I don't think he's implied to have any other "special" skills

Unless being able to roll through a nuclear explosion unscathed is canon.

[golden oak]

Yeah, only other thing I can think of is him being able to gather a team

[azure bluff]

I wonder if Cass will take up a leadership role in the future

[merry mason]

It would make sense since he has seniority over most people there

[merry token]

Just a few pictures afaik

[quick grail]

she got a lot of attention compared to any other ow2 character, gets skin everytime, third character to get a mythic above any ow1 character, she appeared on a lot on seasonal events, first ow2 event she was there, then the prop hunt, now the kpop, she stealed dva place on arcade icon in the menu

[merry token]

The people I’m getting the images from don’t seem to want to release more other than some images of their favorite characters

[peak escarp]

I don't think he wants to be a leader

[peak escarp]

Hasn't Pharah also gotten a skin almost every season?

[merry token]

First image is Ana and Pharah at Liao’s funeral

Genji, Reinhardt and Soldier 76 are also shown but cut off by the picture taker

[quick grail]

which i like everyone else find very strange but so what, skins is not the same as kiriko gets

[peak escarp]

eh, I still don't think Kiriko is getting any special treatment

[quick grail]

brigitte stole pharah place as reinhard honorary niece, pharah never gets anything

[merry token]

What

[peak escarp]

Pharah got a whole short story about being gay

[quick grail]

gay is not personality or lore, unecessary info, is not like pharmercy would be canon, and the story was batiste pov, pharah was just there, we dont know what pharah was thinking

[quick grail]

you cant not see kiriko is the character with more attention

[peak escarp]

but you still can't say pharah never gets anything

[quick grail]

she already got more in one year than hanzo in 7, by the way, where is hanzo, what is even hanzo doing, he has been in shock 7 years in hanamura because genji is alive

[merry token]

He’s going to be in the comic anthology next year

[peak escarp]

short story anthology

but yes

[quick grail]

finally, after 6 year, but barelly, skins, a very short story where she is not protagonist and event where she is the narrator but dont have interactions like the halloween modes

but kiriko already got more in one year than a lot of charcters

[peak escarp]

Pharah has gotten a skin in every OW2 season except season 4

same as kiriko

[quick grail]

forget about skins, is not about skins

is the attention the character gets

[peak escarp]

Pharah has been featured in the story, kiriko has not

[quick grail]

she only have two voice lines, one in cinematic, one interaction with sojourn, thats it, at least mention something about basketball, sojourn likes basketball, is from canada, pharah like basketball, grew up in ow with ow agents, she was in canada some time, do some thing writters

[peak escarp]

Pharah has had 2 comics

[quick grail]

and no cinematic, no special event dedicated to her, no novel, no short story focused only on her

im talking about pharah but this apply to almost every character and the lore in general

if the pve is death make more lore damnit

[peak escarp]

kiriko doesn't have a novel either

[quick grail]

not yet, give it time

[peak escarp]

the PvE isn't dead, there are still more missions coming

including missions with Pharah

[quick grail]

nothing announced, and this wouldnt be the first time some concept is wasted and cancelled

[peak escarp]

nothing has been announced because they said they want to keep the story missions a surprise

[merry token]

Seeing echo with that wip face threw me off 😭

[quick grail]

yeah sure, thats the reason, i trust them. they show in advance three heroes but not even a concept art drawing of an asset for the pve

[ruby ridge]

New hero
She’s only gotten a short story and cinematic

[peak escarp]

they literally said before the panel that they were only focusing on PvP for the panel

[ruby ridge]

• Kiriko and hanzo are getting a comic together

[ruby ridge]

They will slowly fix these things eventually,

They’ve given big lore to Lucio, ramattta, sojourn and the ironclad gang in pve, and rhey’ll give it to zenyatta soon

And more eventually

[quick grail]

why? because no pve

[ruby ridge]

It just takes a while

[peak escarp]

isn't it exhausting being so negative?

[quick grail]

three events

[ruby ridge]

They literally already have the next pve missions basically ready, they’re just polishing it and reworking something with the feedback they received with current pve

[quick grail]

we have been waiting 4 years, how long? 2024 seems very mid in content

[quick grail]

since 2019 because they were the future achives missions already planned, the only feedback would be put a skill tree and make them free

[ruby ridge]

We barely know what’s in 2024 aside heroes and season themes (which are very cool themes imo)

They’ll show more stuff eventually when they release a roadmap

[ruby ridge]

Pve shouldent be free?? The game is free

[quick grail]

is not my fault the game is full of negative things, i want to have hope but i cant trust them anymore

[quick grail]

10 minutes missions with no replayability and no rewards, archive events that were free, if they are not going to do more than that its scummy to sell them

[ruby ridge]

And they’re adding some skill trees elements by giving heroes buffs in certain modes like the newest Halloween one, and skill trees are just completely a waste of time after you finish the hero mastery, and every hero with 30 augments would be hard to sustain

Especially with reworks, if skill trees existed at the time of sombras rework they’d have to do that as well

[spare fox]

bruh you sound like "why don't they come out with limitless content featuring ONLY my favs and for free!!"

go touch some grass

[quick grail]

they are not adding anything yet, you are assuming they will

[ruby ridge]

In ow1, the game ws paid so you got stuff free, pve isn’t scummy bevwuse you know exactly what your getting when you buy it

They literally have??

[quick grail]

selling 10 minutes missions with no replayability and no rewards for real money is not scummy?

[ruby ridge]

Not to mention specific pve voicelines for new and old heroes which shows they’re working on all of them

[ruby ridge]

They’re 25 minutes, you get rewards in game + it’s not scummy bevwuse you literally know what your buying upfront

They don’t force you to buy it

You don’t have to buy it

[quick grail]

what specific voice lines? a lot of characters have no voicelines in the pve, the free pve in kings row, which was terrible by the way, a lot of characters were mute

[quick grail]

10 minutes of gameplay, cinematics dont count

scummy doesnt mean "you are buying something without knowing what is"

[ruby ridge]

Roadhog got pve voicelines for Hammond, junker, and junkrat, lifeweaver for symettra, and every other hero as well,

[quick grail]

not because you know what you are buying means is not scummy

[ruby ridge]

Cinematic are like 20% of the actual mission?? Most of it is gameplay

[quick grail]

so 12 minutes of missions for real money

[quick grail]

what are you talking about

[ruby ridge]

You aren’t entitled to anything when your playing a free game, they announced the changes to pve months before so you knew exactly what you were buying, they arent forcing you to buy it, if you think you won’t enjoy it then don’t buy it, people who know they will enjoy it will buy it happily

[ruby ridge]

Every hero has voicelines for pve which means they’re gonna add more lore to those heroes eventually

[quick grail]

once more, scummy doesnt mean "you dont know what you are buying" selling crap for high pricess is scummy even if you know what is

[quick grail]

not true, a lot were mute

[golden oak]

Although he gathered a new team, I’d say Winston is going to lead

And yeah, Cassidy doesn’t want to be the leader pretty sure

[ruby ridge]

It’s still not scummy tho? You’re getting a whole other ooption for gameplay, people who actually enjoy the lore will enjoy it

[ruby ridge]

I don’t know what game you play then, where the missions were 12 minutes and you had no VOICELINEs

[peak escarp]

enough

[quick grail]

20 minutes of cutscenes with a lot of characters doing nothing, i didnt enjoy it and i love the lore

[peak escarp]

if you want to argue take it somewhere else

[quick grail]

in the paid pve a lot of characters don talk, dont interact, and barelly have voice lines about gameplay events

[peak escarp]

this channel is for discussing the lore, not for discussing questionable business practices

[lavish vessel]

That last bit is still so sad

[spare fox]

"hotwiring motorcycles" SIR you were robbing banks and trains and weapons

[stuck sentinel]

Anyone else feel like sombra only aligns with talon because they enable her to work on her personal objectives and isn't inherently evil?

Ex: the mission at Gibraltar

[peak escarp]

yeah

she is just using Talon for her own goals

[stuck sentinel]

I feel like overwatch would be completely against hacking

[spare fox]

and I'm pretty sure Talon knows this but like there's nothing they can do vs her

[peak escarp]

Doomfist knows

[stuck sentinel]

She's the worlds best hacker right? She's irreplaceable

[peak escarp]

but Sombra is useful despite her lack of loyalty

and he's confident he can deal with her if/when she betrays them

[azure bluff]

Ah, ironic given their history in game...

[spare fox]

lol he thinks
like physically maybe but it's more a factor of her being sneaky AND having a lot of friends or "friends"

[wooden sleet]

Um does anyone know where I can buy overwatch declassified

[hushed jetty]

amazon mostly

[wooden sleet]

I was checking audible and I didn't see it

[peak escarp]

I don't think there's an audiobook version

there is hardcover and ebook

[hushed jetty]

yeah i dont think theres an audiobook
yet anyway

[ruby ridge]

Do you think doomfist’s fist would realistically kill someone instsntly irl

[peak escarp]

probably

[ruby ridge]

Damn

[peak escarp]

it would be like getting punched by a hydraulic press

[ruby ridge]

There’s some weapons in overwatch that I wonder how much really hurts

Like lifeweavers thorns, does it actually attack with enough force to enter your body and leave through the other side

Or is it like a porcupine quills

Mei would probably feel like that freezy freezy nitrogen chemical thing

[lavish vessel]

Yeah meis would probably be pretty deadly

[rare trail]

reins hammer

[wooden sleet]

Lucio wep could leave you deaf right?

[rare trail]

wep?

oh weapon

[wooden sleet]

Weapon

[peak escarp]

also probably rupture internal organs

[rare trail]

yeah it could probably burst eardrums

is it used in hero of numbani?

[peak escarp]

yes

[wooden sleet]

What happened when it was used?

[peak escarp]

let me check

nothing specific

it just shoots sound pulses

[wooden sleet]

Oh. Well that's alright I guess.

[peak escarp]

Efi does reconfigure the concert's speakers into a giant sonic amplifier, which shattered windows and knocked people off their feet

[wooden sleet]

Oh that's pretty cool

[worn latch]

He's buff and trained in boxing and that gauntlet is HUGE so most definitely

Like if you've seen real boxing

With a huge ass glove too

Absolutely could kill someone

[wooden sleet]

So like I read this before but I've forgotten but why is doomfist obsssesed with starting another world war

[worthy rose]

How strong is Genji and Hanzo in comparative with the other heroes? I know for fact that Sigma has to be the strongest but I don’t know about everyone else

[twilit patrol]

Because without conflict, there's not future.

[worthy rose]

I just feel that the dragons are broken

[twilit patrol]

That's what he's thinking

[wooden sleet]

Oh i forgot how... interesting his motiv is

[spare fox]

if you read about DF gauntlet in Declassified it's pretty good: it reads like a legend because, well, it is

but the og doomfist single-handedly (lol) protected a city from anubis's attack

[rare trail]

sigma isnt necessarily the strongest and genji is probably like top 10 in power

hanzo is a lot lower though

we've never seen dragons like actually do much and hanzo is just kinda a guy with a bow outside of that

genji still gets beaten by like sym orisa winston sigma doom reaper though

dragons are weird

in the cinematic they seemed to like drain hanzo of his energy?

but also genji was probably going easy on him

and in zero hour genji called it out and then sliced through a metal hand so it probably gives him strength or something?

and kirikos kitsune seems to give some sort of like stamina boost or like second wind to people

but i dont think we've ever seen any spirits actually attack anyone they've just like made people stronger or drained peoples energy

[spare fox]

I mean, all the special abilities are kind of subject to deus ex machina in cinematics and comics

[worthy rose]

I mean I’m basing my thoughts in game abilities

Like the dragon spirit on hanzo and genji is like a boost of stamina and strength (hanzo throwing arrows faster and genji blade having more strength) but I don’t know if the dragons are actually a thing. Does other people can see the dragons or are they just like a visual effect for us?

[spare fox]

makes sense, kiriko's kitsune makes everyone shoot faster

[wooden sleet]

wait is this only in declassified, I feel like I've heard about this before with OG df

[spare fox]

it's in Declassified

it takes what we know and goes into even more depth

[worthy rose]

I don’t think they are just visual effects tho

[azure bluff]

The Japanese heroes just get high and hallucinate while they go ham with their skills.

That's my headcanon

[worthy rose]

^

[robust gate]

Is that the book?

[spare fox]

yes

[vapid tusk]

the least lethal overwatch weapon would be Brig's Brig's rocket flail imo

[karmic turret]

man im loving the overwatch declassifed book

[merry mason]

Best parts?

[karmic turret]

still making my way through it

up to the new york attack

[woven hornet]

l

[wild jacinth]

Wth is declassified?

[twilit patrol]

A new book

It is talking about Overwatch past

[robust gate]

It’s so new I can’t even find pdfs of it online

[dense nebula]

Why would that be?

[rare trail]

i think zens orbs are least lethal

[peak escarp]

it came out on the 7th, and my copies are delayed until the 14th

[hushed jetty]

i have it so if anyone wants lore tidbits,

[sudden trail]

Any mei lore?

Or antarctica, china lore?

[twilit patrol]

If I remember, she slept for 9 years and her friends died.

[zealous knoll]

she was just studying some conspiracy about the climate changing with her teams research and that's about it

maybe not a conspiracy but they were doing research and found something to report back to overwacth but they all ded

[karmic turret]

i like how the book is written like it would be inside the universe

[merry token]

Does this mean Pharah being an accident baby is just known to the public 😭

[karmic turret]

hahaha probably!!

[vapid tusk]

Being a what now

[peak escarp]

it doesn't say she was an accident

it just says that Sam and Ana's relationship progressed when Ana became pregnant

[karmic turret]

the first doomfist looks so cool

[merry token]

I just inferred that she was an accident baby as Sam and Ana weren’t fully in a relationship in the text, my bad

[cunning burrow]

who tf is sam

[peak escarp]

Pharah's dad

his name is Sam English, he's a Canadian diplomat

wow

I've never seen someone do that before

yes

you'd be surprised how rare that is

thank you

[honest spear]

I'd choose to keep my name Amari too tbh

[peak escarp]

apparently she did use her father's name until she was 18

then chose to change it to Amari

[hushed jetty]

fareeha english 💀 💀 💀

[merry token]

What was the message

[peak escarp]

they were shitposting, realized it was a serious channel, then apologized and deleted all their messages

[merry token]

Oh

[peak escarp]

I don't know why they deleted them

guess they were embarassed

[dense nebula]

You know what I find absolutely hilarious?

Sojourn’s cinematic has been out for months and only has around 650k views

Mauga’s gameplay trailer released only like a week ago and already surpassed 1.5million

[hushed jetty]

people have been waiting for mauga for 4 years so 😭

[worn latch]

Justice for my girl sojourn

[spare fox]

Don't forget it was shown in-game only for the longest time before officially being released on Blizz YT

So everyone either saw it in game or on unofficial YT channels

And those got the views not the official one

For a while anyway

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @worthy rose

[twilit nacelle]

@rustic perch Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[dreamy onyx]

was maugas augments or robotic parts shown in the Baptiste thing?

[hushed jetty]

no, that design of him is pretty outdated

[spare fox]

He's strategically wearing a big ole Hawaiian shirt in it

[keen summit]

We never see it, but its always covered

Thats why they likely made them be there, so the old design still fits

[golden oak]

Do we know if rein was also modified in some way, or had some steroids or something
We know for a fact soldier enhancement programs exist so

[keen summit]

Germans.

[dense nebula]

Precision German Bodybuilding program

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Rein is pure natty

[golden oak]

Love this interaction

[fresh rock]

That was beautiful.

[frosty gale]

What is he saying?

[golden oak]

Keep frowning and you’ll end up looking like me

[wild jacinth]

One detail i really like about mauga is thar his primary colour is now orange which is opposite to blue which is baps primary colour

[elfin blade]

🤯 Bro I think your on to something

[golden oak]

He used to have an orange scarf

[wild jacinth]

Ino he used to but blue is his primary colour

[potent briar]

How do you think Symmetra would react when she finds out Sanjay is on Talon's inner council?

[twilit vortex]

[twilit vortex]

Ur right

What is this overwatch politics

[spare fox]

It'd confirm the feelings she is having at the end of A Perfect World: the seeds of doubt about Sanjay/Vishkar are already sewn in her. She will definitely turn against them no doubt but yeah, I'm definitely curious if she leaves Vishkar altogether or if she rebels against them and tries to change the org from the inside

[worthy rose]

Idek

[twilit vortex]

I agree

[worn latch]

I wonder if that's what the symweaver story will be about in the new book

[spare fox]

that's almost a guarantee! I can't wait to see where it goes!

same thing with A LOT of the stories in HA that's coming out-

Soldier and Sombra! What's going to happen after he finally tracks her down!

And wtf are the Junkers going to do (besides wrecking ball, I don't really care about him lore-wise lol)

Orisa is 99.9% joining up with OW

Kiriko is almost as guaranteed as Orisa due to how popular she is, and will Hanzo kind of take her place as city protector or will he go to OW as well?
I'm starting to sound like a back cover blurb lol

[peak escarp]

I don't think Kiriko will join OW

she's dedicated to protecting Kanezaka

[vapid tusk]

bc it would take more to kill me

[spare fox]

That's always possible, but I think prior to New Blood we would have said the same about Zarya and Dva about their respective homes so anything's possible. Add to that how super popular she is and I doubt they want her to be relegated to a character we see every 5 years

[peak escarp]

Zarya and D.Va are leaving behind whole militaries to protect their homes

Kanezaka only has Yokai, and without Kiriko that's 4 people

[spare fox]

pretty sure Japan also has a military
and I'd think the story could go either way, either Hanzo taking up and protecting his home again/driving out the Hashimoto or they're going to to the same as D.Va with the Meka squad where the Yokai hold down the fort

[peak escarp]

another difference with Zarya/D.Va is that they had someone from Overwatch directly recruit them

it's unlikely anyone will recruit Kiriko

[worthy rose]

It could either genji or someone else because of a genjis recommendation

I see it unlikely tho

[spare fox]

Again, that's not something that happened until New Blood. Before New Blood the exact same thing could be said about Dva, Zarya, even Pharah

[peak escarp]

sure

but it doesn't look like Overwatch is going to Japan any time soon

[spare fox]

I'm just saying it's not so out-of-the question

[azure bluff]

I mean, Cassidy already regrets how Overwatch/Blackwatch interfered there. I don't think he'd allow them to repeat the same mistake twice

[spare fox]

Yes, true and that may be the case: maybe Kiri won't join. Korea and Russia also were not on best terms with OW either, however, and yet here are Zarya and Dva

Honestly I think the writers build in the "will they/ won't they" factor for both intrigue as well as to give them more options: no guarantees

If for example, Kiri was a total flop and the fans were entirely indifferent to her character, they have the "she's protecting her home" angle

they're doing it right now with Sojourn:
She's perfectly fine protecting Toronto and even has moral reasons against what OW was. Will she brush that aside and realize that as a leader she can right the ship? Or once the ship is righted will she politely hand off to Winston/someone else and go back home?
Either are on the table story-wise

either way there's no "no reason" if that makes sense?

[next jewel]

From what I heared, D.VA got permison to join Overwatch, and Zarya did not and if she returns home she will be in trouble

[peak escarp]

https://vxtwitter.com/seananmcguire/status/1723056396638314544

the author gives an explanation for why Sam's surname is English

[wild jacinth]

dudddeeee I really want the combat medic skin for bap soooo bad

[fresh rock]

❌

[dense nebula]

How likely is it for there to be Omnics who wouldn’t stand with Either Zenyatta or Ramattra

[rare trail]

you dont really stand with zenyatta

like he’s just a random monk

[dense nebula]

I guess I should say his ideals

His vision

[peak escarp]

there's probably a lot of omnics who just want to exist

they don't care about equality or whatever

[dense nebula]

Cause I have this idea for an omnic hero that believes the true path to peace is extinction of all to start new

I make hero concepts a lot ok, don’t shame me. I do it to practice my own writing and idea making

[vapid tusk]

same

how would ana's bullet feel like? Would it have the same impact as a regular sniper rifle? would it damage or heal you if it hit?

[peak escarp]

it's like a dart

[merry token]

It’s a dart

[peak escarp]

she swaps between healing and harming darts

[merry token]

Oops

[cunning burrow]

ram:

[next jewel]

Ramattra doesn't want extinction of all, he just wants to shove humans into theyre place with help from Talon

[gaunt island]

honestly y'all should stfu sym fr bends reality.

Sym has the best lore imo

[orchid bear]

Hey

its just a theory

https://tenor.com/view/game-theory-game-theory-its-just-a-theory-game-theorists-gif-20883020

[zealous pumice]

Zenyatta made Sym not a total ass

Zenyatta sweep

[golden oak]

Reggie
He’s just a lawyer dude

Doing lawyer stuff

[night coral]

What was talon’s purpose?

Like what were they trying to do?

[keen summit]

were or are?

[night coral]

Idk

[keen summit]

cuz we dont know before doom ever got to power, when doom was in prison their goals were MONEY

[dense nebula]

I would pay to watch this show

[keen summit]

now talon is creating a new war for human evolution

[dense nebula]

A lawyer trying to do his job having to deal with the absurdity of the world he’s in

[zealous pumice]

Better Call Saul

[livid elbow]

question, what would a battle between Soldier 76 and Tracer or Genji look like? Do you think he could stand a chance in story/lore?

[peak escarp]

Soldier has more experience, and knows Genji/Tracer's fighting styles

I think he'd do fine

[livid elbow]

fair assessment

plus he managed to fight against someone like Reaper who would have similar experience and more powers.

[cunning burrow]

When are we adding reggie as a playable character

[ruby ridge]

please we don’t have to make every lore character a hero

[peak escarp]

Reggie is a noncombatant

[hushed jetty]

Reggie is just some guy

[potent briar]

Reggie is a god

[distant sparrow]

reggie caused the omnic crisis

[vapid tusk]

who is reggie

[distant sparrow]

the saul goodman bot in the pve, toronto

[hushed jetty]

i will never understand why he VOLUNTARILY gave himself a receding hairline

like he picked that hairstyle he put it himself, i don't think omnics have male pattern baldness

[rare trail]

wrong chat sorry

[vapid tusk]

a receding metalline

[peak escarp]

maybe he saw TV lawyers and thought that's what all lawyers look like

[honest spear]

Omnics! Did you know you have rights?

[dense nebula]

Iris says you do

Hi I’m Saul Goodbot

[wild jacinth]

really excited for the talon missions to come out hope it'll give us more of an idea of what the main members of talon actually want

[fresh rock]

Yeah! Me too.

[wild jacinth]

Question?

Has cassidys arm ever been explained ?

As in how he lost it?

[worn latch]

Nah

[wild jacinth]

Dude idea Blackwatch flashback they get caught by a young doomfist and he rips off cassidys arm

Or something like that

[fresh rock]

That doesn't add up.

[peak escarp]

Cassidy lost his arm after the fall of Overwatch

[wild jacinth]

Did he?

Bro I didn't know thattttttt

[keen summit]

Secretly controlled by anubis

I meam amubis is in ehyptian myth the one of justice

And anubis in ow is ecology who probs "judged" hunanity as a threat

[potent briar]

He was cooking

Overwatch should've let him cook

[limpid echo]

Lucio lore?

[little ferry]

nuh uh

[outer tendon]

Everyone knows he doesn’t deserve lore and that’s why he doesn’t have any :)

[worn latch]

Erm..

Lucio best character

[rare trail]

hes in hero of numbani and pve

thats kinda it lol

[desert valve]

Uh, been wanting to ask this but is there any lore of Gabriel's family, like his wife and child? Like was it good or bad? Anything note-worthy or significant in the books or anything before he became Reaper?

[peak escarp]

his wife's name is Martina - he met her in Mexico after the crisis

they seemed to have had a happy marriage

their son's name isn't given

[fallow nymph]

@weary ice

[desert valve]

Thanks man 👍

[fallow nymph]

genji father

@peak escarp

[peak escarp]

Sojiro Shimada

Dr. Mina Liao

[fallow nymph]

are you a bot

[peak escarp]

no

I just have all the answers

I would tell you to google it, but honestly google would probably give you the wrong answer

[fallow nymph]

fr

[hushed jetty]

OH HEY DOC did you see in declassified that we know exactly why rein was retired now

[peak escarp]

yes

[hushed jetty]

they did him extraordinarily dirty

[peak escarp]

Reinhardt deserved better

[hushed jetty]

literally

[worthy rose]

Are the old voice lines from overwatch 1 still part of the lore?

[peak escarp]

yes

[distant sparrow]

why was he

[hushed jetty]

im paraphrasing really badly but basically there was a terrorist that had stolen data from several countries and taken hostages. overwatch had some direct orders on how to handle the situation, but the terrorist began killing hostages, so rein took matters into his own hands to rescue the hostages. in the process, the terrorist escaped with the data, and the people who owned the data were VERY unhappy. it damaged overwatch's reputation a lot. in order to try and clean things up without causing any more trouble, they forced rein to retire

[distant sparrow]

oh ok

[worthy rose]

hey random question but how do yoiu use the lfg tool correctly?

[keen summit]

Can u tell me

Im getting it tuesday but now im curious

[cunning burrow]

wrong channel

[gaunt island]

My only question is, how is tracer so fast😭

[rare trail]

its explained in her origin

[gaunt island]

Oh

[rare trail]

she can control her time kinda

[gaunt island]

true

[rare trail]

so blink is just like her jumping forward like a second

[gaunt island]

yeah because she is a athlete? I think she is

[rare trail]

she cant time travel in the traditional sense though

[gaunt island]

yeah

are u on rn

Wanna play

[rare trail]

she was a pilot before

[gaunt island]

Ow

[rare trail]

im not on ow rn

[gaunt island]

yeah

Okay

[rare trail]

tracers one of the few characters where all their abilities are canon

[gaunt island]

yeah cass is too

it's showed in the cinematic I think

[rare trail]

well kinda

[gaunt island]

Not his ult

[rare trail]

magnetic grenade isnt exactly canon

[gaunt island]

yea

[rare trail]

rein has all canon abilities

genji has all canon abilities

[gaunt island]

soldier might I think I don't watch lore that much but I'm pretty sure that soldier and hanzo

[rare trail]

not hanzo but soldier yeah

[gaunt island]

Are canon

[lavish vessel]

Reaper aswell

[rare trail]

teleport is canon?

[lavish vessel]

Yeah I’m pretty sure he uses it in code of violence

[gaunt island]

That's what I'm saying

torb isn't canon right

[rare trail]

wdym?

[gaunt island]

his kit

[rare trail]

turret and scrap gun is

not overload though

[gaunt island]

yeah

[wooden sleet]

lucio healing isnt canon right?

[wooden sleet]

I always though overload was similar to winston primal rage, its just hit being really angry

[lavish vessel]

Nope

[wooden sleet]

then how did they escape that fight in the first pve mission unscathed

both mercy and brig were in the ship

[lavish vessel]

Plot armour I guess lol

[wooden sleet]

lmao

[dense nebula]

The gimmick isn’t canon but it is canon how he uses his music to hype up and inspire those around him

[wooden sleet]

speed boost 24/7

[golden oak]

Not another f*cking Junker 😭

[dense nebula]

It’s not

Colors are off

Plus I don’t see a giant ass turtle shell on Greta Thunberg over there

Also if you notice

He’s between Sigma and Winston

So his name starts with an S, T, U or V

[peak escarp]

they don't look anything alike

[dense nebula]

Calling it now

His name is Testudo

So I’ll call him that until proven otherwise

[peak escarp]

why would he have a Japanese name?

[dense nebula]

Apparently it’s in Esperanto

I thought it was Italian

[peak escarp]

also any name he has is probably a placeholder, not his final name

[dense nebula]

Oh it’s Latin

I knew it

[peak escarp]

same with Space Ranger

[dense nebula]

just because it fits the turtle/tortoise theme I’m gonna call him it until we get his real name

[lavish vessel]

Is venture a placeholder or is that her actual name??

[peak escarp]

just call him hero 42

[lavish vessel]

Their*

[peak escarp]

Venture is their hero name

[dense nebula]

Lemme have my fun smh

[peak escarp]

we don't know their real name

[lavish vessel]

Ah okie

[peak escarp]

or call him turtle tank

[wooden sleet]

torterra!

[dense nebula]

Turt the tank

Watch him not even be a turtle

And he’s actually like a Pangolin

Or an Armadillo

[wooden sleet]

or an echinda

[karmic turret]

inb4 blizzard sorts out kirikos age

[wooden sleet]

like that is ever gonna happen

they could always just change it from childhood friends to just being someone hanzo and genji doted over

[karmic turret]

i'll be honest

they need to go and have a redo of peoples ages lmaooo

[livid elbow]

if anything, I want to know who that missing overwatch member from the ana origin story when all the overwatch agents were together

[karmic turret]

which one?

[livid elbow]

the one with the mohawk

[karmic turret]

thats Emre Sarioglu

[wild jacinth]

kinda want reaper to get a talon skin based on the talon shotgun agents from the missions

OR

[potent briar]

So basically Makoa from paladins

[wild jacinth]

For that one talon shotgunner from the comics with the goalie mask

[peak escarp]

Kiriko is the only one that's wrong

the rest are fine

they even fixed Sojourn's

so there's hope that they'll either fix or explain Kiriko's age too

[dense nebula]

How old did they say she was and now how old is she?

[wooden sleet]

41 changed to 51 I think

[peak escarp]

47 to 51

47 was a problem because it meant she was 19 at the start of the omnic crisis

with 4 years of military experience

and worse, her twin sister had a 5-year-old daughter at 19

[wooden sleet]

lol that was such a funny time

[peak escarp]

changing the age to 51 made her 23 at the start of the crisis - much more reasonable

[livid elbow]

That is? Is there any source on that?

[peak escarp]

Overwatch: Declassified

[livid elbow]

Huh, I thought he would be like from New Zealand or something like that.

[peak escarp]

mohawk guy is Emre

[livid elbow]

Yeah, i just found that out, just saying i thought he would be from New Zealand or something like that

[peak escarp]

why

[livid elbow]

I don’t know, just had a feeling is all.

[wooden sleet]

why does his mohawk look nice and then theres roadhog

[golden oak]

Who is soldier calling

Wait that’s not soldier 💀

[peak escarp]

that's Emre

[vapid tusk]

😂

[vapid tusk]

I thought technology would look more futuristic

[peak escarp]

it's not that far in the future

the omnic crisis is only about 30 years in our future

the older heroes are part of gen alpha

[karmic turret]

honestly i think 32 is a good age for kiri to be

[livid elbow]

Then there is the mars colony with the space ranger!

[rare trail]

i think 32 would be a little too old

i think 26 would be good

especially because it works with sojiros death in her bio

[golden oak]

Why’s rein much more charming and attractive as an old guy

[azure bluff]

Because he's not seen as a cocky young recruit

[worn latch]

Dilf

[fresh rock]

He's matured.

[golden oak]

That’s a good point

[tacit stirrup]

Goddamn

I feel so bad for this man

[peak escarp]

at minimum she should be 24

I think 28 would be better

based on how young she looks compared to the brothers in her origin

[zealous knoll]

yeah it is a junker cuz its not that image specifically but there is a green hair junker on one of the posters of new junk city

[fresh rock]

I don't know why but tanks tend to be the best additions

[dense nebula]

I agree

Supps are usually the worst

Besides Brig and Bap

[next jewel]

Tanks are just awsome in general, not one of the tanks is boring tbh

Maybe because tanks are important in the game because now we only have one per team

[woven jewel]

Arguably Orisa but that's a discussion for a different channel

[livid elbow]

Idea for a Hero, Talon from Italy called the “Illusionist”

he is responsible for Widowmaker’s conditioning.

He is a Support type and his abilities are based on mental/conditional manipulation.

Ranging from hallucination inducement, perceptual enhancements, his weapons can range from a standard pistol to firing darts that causes emotion stats against enemies. His Ultimate can be “Brainwashing” where you take control of an enemy player.

[frozen galleon]

hell no

[woven jewel]

All he gotta do is type in chat

[livid elbow]

Why not?

[woven jewel]

Visual Clutter to the max

Taking Control of an Enemy Player can be cool but could be executed poorly in so many ways

[frozen galleon]

Extremely annoying and unnecessary

sombra is enough

(annoying)

[woven jewel]

(and unnecessary)

jk

[frozen galleon]

the ultimate is pretty much making it 6v4 that's just absurd

imagine going reaper and someone takes over control and youre like

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-24935909

ok

[livid elbow]

I guess I should has specify on some abilities such for hallucinations as in like creating a false character as a decoy. And of course the ultimate is not permanent as that would be overpowered

[frozen galleon]

Still those seconds are enough, 6v4 is a team kill

[woven jewel]

Still incredibly annoying (decoy, too)

[frozen galleon]

imagine controling the tank

[woven jewel]

Esp if you steal their ult

[livid elbow]

I mean, that can be difficult if the tank is with a full team, I try to take into consideration of conditions, like if against a full enemy team or heroes that can hard counter and by one self it can be overcome by numbers. I try to balance things out in that case.

[frozen galleon]

imagine going full communication well structured team and then someone takes your tank

hijack

[livid elbow]

Sure but like if Sombra hacks the controlled tanks and the others gang up

[frozen galleon]

a whole team relies on sombra

[livid elbow]

There is also Kiriko that could overcome the brainwash too

[frozen galleon]

either way 6v4 shouldn't be a thing

[livid elbow]

Just an idea

[peak escarp]

firstly, losing control of your character or being forced to switch teams mid-game would be very unfun to play

secondly, that's not lore

[potent briar]

Absolutely not

[neat pivot]

I swear I've seen the concept art for next year's tank somewhere before (maybe a prior blizzard stream, maybe amongst a whole bunch of other art)

This guy: https://i.imgur.com/aChGtqv.png

[woven jewel]

I actually just now realized they didn't post this in #overwatch-serious lol

[livid elbow]

What is that lore?

[peak escarp]

lore is the story and characters of the game

[livid elbow]

I know that but about the instant of Widowmaker being brainwashed by Talon?

[peak escarp]

what about it?

[livid elbow]

Like is there lore bits about how or who brainwashed her in Talon?

Ooooh, I get what you meant there that this is not to be added in this section

Sorry

[peak escarp]

she's not brainwashed

she was conditioned into a sleeper agent to kill her husband, and returned to Talon willingly afterwards

Moira altered her genetics, but that's about it

[livid elbow]

Ah, bummer, I tried to incorporate what i thought was in the story to make a character believable.

Though there is the thing where Widowmaker at her husband’s grave

[peak escarp]

she visits his grave

she remembers loving him

[livid elbow]

Yeah

[twilit patrol]

Poor Amélie

[worthy rose]

I didn't think I can hate moira more

[dense nebula]

You have

At the very beginning

I don’t have img perms so I gotta dm it

[neat pivot]

I got your pic via DM, let's talk about it here

You reckon it's the red guy?

[dense nebula]

Yep

Gotta be

Similar build

Similar small bead

Only difference is color scheme and added shell

Not to mention Sound Quake Lines up with being between Sigma and Winston

[peak escarp]

we don't know what soundquake looks like

[neat pivot]

I read people saying that, but it's a big stretch imo

[peak escarp]

there haven't been any images of him

[dense nebula]

The name may not be it

[neat pivot]

also I meant specifically that picture of the new tank - I thought I had seen that specific picture (or something super close to it) before

[dense nebula]

But you know who we’re referring to right?

From the very beginning?

[neat pivot]

You mean big red guy yeah?

yeah from the intro

[dense nebula]

Yeah

Missile McGee

[peak escarp]

this guy?

[neat pivot]

I don't see any similarties tbh between him and the new tank image

[dense nebula]

Because they were made years apart

But the fit the similar silhouette

[peak escarp]

that's Wildebeest, and their concept got turned into Reinhardt and Orisa

[dense nebula]

The silhouette could still be used for this new guy

[peak escarp]

they don't look anything alike

[dense nebula]

Man I thought I was creative with my search and here you go blowing holes in it

[peak escarp]

that's what I'm here for

[neat pivot]

I mean the new tank might end up being Soundquake, but yeah ^ they really don't look anything alike

[dense nebula]

Damn, gatekept by the Loremastee

This truly is my canon event

[neat pivot]

if we go by just that OG poster, the guy on the left (mohawk) and the green-jaw guy on the right look more similar

though again, what i originally meant was, I am sure I had seen that specific image somewhere before

[dense nebula]

Ngl he gives off heavy Savannah/Zulu vibes

The cow skin shield and mace with the animal fur and horns

[neat pivot]

I am having some kind of deja-vu event here? Nobody else seems to think they've seen that tank picture before

[peak escarp]

nowhere I can remember

[neat pivot]

I reckon I saw it as part of a biger picture or collection of other concept art, officially

but yeah, maybe it was just deja vu...

possibly sometime in the past 2 years along the lines of "here's a whole bunch of shit we've worked on" as opposed to "here's a spotlight on one or two hero concepts"

[dense nebula]

I kind of hope Turt the Tank is not a barrier based tank

We have enough barrier tank heroes imo currently

if it is Soundquake having an earthshaking sound based tank would be cool

Cause we have Rein, Sigma, Winston, Ramattra and soon Mauga with his ult

[neat pivot]

I want to see them revive the corpse of the first Doomfist, Big Boss-style

though of course, that won't happen 🤣

[dense nebula]

You know who I could see him be played as?

Do you remember the game Gigantic?

[neat pivot]

not really

[dense nebula]

There was a dude in it named Rutger

Mole/armadillo looking mf with a beaver tail

he was heavily earth based and could cause shockwaves by slamming his hands to the ground, could raise rock walls and I think even burrow

ofc we know who got the burrow ability

Then he could also ball up and roll around

I’m imagining this new tank being a ground manipulator brawl tank who could also do a bit of dive

[worthy rose]

Ty

[vapid tusk]

im confused by this topic even when trying to get context

i thought mauga was confirmed as the new tank

[peak escarp]

there was another tank teased during the Venture gameplay demo

hero 42

[zealous pumice]

Green Mohawk guy, right? He looks like a junker but I hope he isnt

We already have 3 junker heroes, 2 of which are tanks (and if you count Wrecking Ball, that's 4 with 3 tanks)

[vapid tusk]

he looks more like a crusader

to me at least

[zealous pumice]

I'm not opposed to another Crusader, or Crusader apprentice hero

Would be cool to flesh out the group more outside of Rein, Baldriech, and Brig

[vapid tusk]

does overwatch count as military?

i assume it would but i never heard any military terms said among the members

[peak escarp]

yes

[vapid tusk]

I feel like they need to expand more on the new characters' lores before introducing more characters unless they plan on using said characters to connect everything which is highly doubtful

I dislike the fact that while most of the cast have some connection with at least one other character, recent ones have close to none

[peak escarp]

only Illari has no connections to anyone

[zealous pumice]

It's really only Illari

[vapid tusk]

reading that again, "one other character" and "close to none" are basically the same thing

but you get what i mean hopefully

[hushed jetty]

even lw is the only character with just one connection

[peak escarp]

and Lifeweaver has other connections outside of playable heroes

so far he's our only hero that connects to the Atlantic Arcology

[hushed jetty]

jq - both junkers (and all of junkertown)
sojourn - all of overwatch
ramattra - zen (okay i'll give you that but he's also the fucking leader of NS)
kiriko - the shimadas

[zealous pumice]

Like, JQ has ties to Junkrat, Hog, and Ball.

Kiri has ties to the Shimada bros.

Sojourn has ties to old Overwatch in general (Soldier, Cass, Winston)

Ram has ties to Zenyatta, as well as Doomfist and Talon

Lifeweaver has ties to Sym

[vapid tusk]

the thing is im a perfectionist so if the connection web doesnt resemble a Dr. Strange type magic spell i will never be satisfied

[vapid tusk]

does mei have connections apart from ow

[peak escarp]

there's your web

[vapid tusk]

out of the playable heroes

[hushed jetty]

no afaik

[peak escarp]

she has friends and family

[zealous pumice]

Mei's connections were put on ice

[hushed jetty]

boooo

[vapid tusk]

talon logo looks kinda ugly ngl

i thought brig and mei would be friends

[zealous pumice]

That web should really have a loose connection between Sig and Horizon Lunar Colony. He's visited it before at least a few times

[zealous pumice]

They probably haven't had enough interactions in canon for us to judge for sure

[peak escarp]

eh, that's a very loose connection

[vapid tusk]

they are both pretty friendly and they were shown together when Genji returned and fought TITAN

or whatever that big robot's name is

[peak escarp]

it's just a titan omnic

[zealous pumice]

It's not an Omnic, Null Sector uses non-sentient robots

[peak escarp]

whatever

[vapid tusk]

would ow wiki be as credible as wikipedia

[peak escarp]

yes

which means it's not very credible

[vapid tusk]

alr

[hushed jetty]

ow wiki is a lot less credible than wikipedia i reckon

[peak escarp]

a lot of it lacks citations

[vapid tusk]

i dont see who wouldve manually controlled the thing tho

[hushed jetty]

bc at least wikipedia cites tf out of things

[peak escarp]

and someone keeps adding a fake name for Mauga

[hushed jetty]

ow wiki is a fandom page

[hushed jetty]

ho'okano headass 💀

[vapid tusk]

i just call him maui

[zealous pumice]

That's, strange. That kinda conflicts with what Null Sector's lore is. Like yeah other Titans from the Omnic crisis would be Omnics. But unless Ram convinced them to join, or forcibly gutted and hijacked old Titans, his Null Sector Titans have to be non-omnic robots

Like how all his other robots are non omnics. The troopers, slicers, subjugators, etc

[hushed jetty]

they are in fact non omnics

that page is Wrong

[vapid tusk]

the conecpt of this is pretty weird if you think of a human parallel

[hushed jetty]

but ig its easier to just include them w omnics

[zealous pumice]

It definitely is, which is kinda a problem I have with the story; but whateva

[vapid tusk]

any further context to this?

[peak escarp]

the colossus is what MEKA fights against

it has been attacking Korea every few years since the omnic crisis, learning the defenders' techniques every time

MEKA used to use drones, but the colossus adapted to it and hijacked the frequency