#lore-discussion

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woven yew
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but he joins ow?

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how and whyy

keen summit
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reaper is with talon

woven yew
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so he's just a bad guy

keen summit
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let me explain, not all the heroes in overwatch are part of overwatch

woven yew
keen summit
keen summit
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u have for notable orgs, talon, overwatch, null sector, junkers and vishkar

woven yew
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but why are they in the same ship like

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yk

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why doesnt reaper just kill monkey

keen summit
keen summit
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its honestly simple as that

woven yew
keen summit
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all the heroes do

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why didnt widow kill tracer? same thing

woven yew
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lol

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so who else is in talon

keen summit
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its simply cuz they dont want that. they also almost never kill people

keen summit
# woven yew so who else is in talon

from what we know in lore: from the cast
reaper, moira, widow, sombra, sigma, doomfist (leader)- ramattra is allied
in lore characters: maximillian, Mauga (likely next hero), family member of efi (creator of orisa) Sanjay (high ranking vishkar exec)

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baptiste is a former member

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Talon is under the leadership of doomfist, who has the motivation of "through conflict we get stronger" which tbf has been proven in history that progress often gets faster around wars. so he wants to start a war to catch out the weak and make the strong get stronger

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Most of the heroes fight for something they believe is better for the future, which is the central theme of overwatch

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further smaller characters in lore: Kace, connected to null sector
iggy: leader of the underground in kingsrow
i forgot the name but archeologist from petra

keen summit
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maybe? idk

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but it makes sense for a person who did martial arts his entire life and had parents with a prosthetics company

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it tracks for him

golden oak
keen summit
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moira is for future of science for example

golden oak
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Yeah but if there’s a war, people often shut an eye on unethical research happening

golden oak
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I think only time talon members disagreed on something was when Sombra interrupted Katya’s assassination

keen summit
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Sombra doesnt fit talon, she just knows they got contacts

stark wharf
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a\

potent briar
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Tf were you trying to do?

ruby ridge
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Didn’t know about this

peak escarp
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her cousin Bisi

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who was arrested and put in jail in The Hero of Numbani

golden oak
peak escarp
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Efi isn't part of Talon

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the list was for Talon members

ruby ridge
nimble iron
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ok serious question why is torb so small is it because hes swedish

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because brigitte is also sweedish but shes tall

sick surge
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I think it's because he's blonde

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Or he didn't eat his vegetables 😓

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Hope this helps 🙏

nimble iron
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i guess it does thanks

sick surge
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Np

tranquil quest
peak escarp
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Brigitte didn't inherit it from him

zenith mango
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“Considering this size of papa. I’m already much taller than expected”

twilit patrol
nimble iron
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???

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i just wanted to know why torb was small

next jewel
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Dwarfism

nimble iron
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thank you xx

next jewel
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Idk if that is true tho

peak escarp
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yes

ruby ridge
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Zenyatta in suravasa

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They know..

peak escarp
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that is how the last story mission ended

ruby ridge
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When does blizzcon ow party even start again?

peak escarp
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<t:1699034400:f> Day 1 Opening Ceremony (hero reveal and maybe cinematic)
<t:1699047000:t> OW Deep Dive (hero origin cinematic)

<t:1699124400:f> Day 2 Starts
<t:1699129800:t> OW What's Next
<t:1699141500:t> Community Night
<t:1699146900:t> Le Sserafim

vapid tusk
peak escarp
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it should show your own time zone

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opening ceremonies is 11am for me

lavish vessel
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Yeah mine says 6pm

hushed jetty
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i am PRAYING for a full on cinematic

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preferably for one of the ow1 heroes that never got one

vapid tusk
hushed jetty
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yes yes yes yes yes

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hushed jetty
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ANA CINEMATIC WOULD GO SO HARD

peak escarp
hushed jetty
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ana's origin story is mostly a slideshow

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peak escarp
hushed jetty
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what ow heroes dont have a cinematic or short story/comic

peak escarp
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only Sombra and Doomfist's were animated

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all of the heroes since Ana have an origin trailer, plus Soldier, Tracer and the Junkers

hushed jetty
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i mean cinematic cinematic

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not origin story

peak escarp
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most of the heroes don't have cinematics

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some of the cinematics have multiple heroes

hushed jetty
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im asking bc if someone gets a cinematic tomorrow it should be someone who hasnt appeared in much, or any, lore

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so for fhese purposes im counting "appears" as "is the focus of"

peak escarp
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it could be anyone

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even someone who has been in cinematics before

hushed jetty
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this is true but im hoping for some New and Spicy lore

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it could also be a cinematic for the new hero

opaque tundra
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im hoping for the ram/zen cinematic teased back when ram came out

rare trail
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?

hushed jetty
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when dkd they tease a cinematic?

opaque tundra
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there's concept art in one of this lore vids

rare trail
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i dont think that video is teasing a cinematic

opaque tundra
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yeah it could just be concept art or in-game cinematics but i still like to be delusional

hushed jetty
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ye looks more like concept art

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id love a cinematic that takes place in the past instead of post recall

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like imagine if it was blackwatch, or golden age overwatch

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or talon, pre-baptiste leaving???? sheeesh

spare fox
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the heroes that have gone the longest without any updates as to where they are in the lore
Hanzo - last seen in 2016 Reflections comic
Junkrat and Roadhog - though they did get cameos in the JQ cinematic, that took place 10ish years in the past so most up-to-date in the lore-timeline we have is Junkertown The Plan (2017) where they failed to get back into Junkertown after getting kicked out

I guess Wrecking Ball hasn't been given any updates other than traveling the world after becoming champion but... god I hope the cinematic isn't about Wrecking Ball >_>

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other than those characters, we know what everyone is doing and where they are post-Recall timeframe up to Invasion timeframe iirc

hushed jetty
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ooo a hanzo update wojld be sick

spare fox
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I just heard a voiceline for Hanzo during setup on Esperancza where he said assasins tracked him down there but I'm assuming he has that line on a couple maps maybe? Can anyone confirm?

past copper
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Betting the cinematic for Mauga being what happened right after he was blown up by Baptiste

spare fox
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that's a safe bet I think

past copper
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If he survived, you think he needed extensive treatment for his injuries

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Guy not invincible

hushed jetty
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thatll be in his origin story i imagine yeah

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he's beefed af but an explosion is an explosion

past copper
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We don’t know. His armor probably took the blunt of the blast, but his face wasn’t protected

spare fox
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there's something that's considered a biohazard involved with it and his in-game kit most probably

hushed jetty
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im hoping it has something to do with the supercoral mentioned on the samoa map

past copper
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Hmm. Well, biohazard material is probably related to his ult. So going by that, Tank with barrier and machine(s), with biotic ult

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Sounds balanced

hushed jetty
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i guess technically he might not have a barrier since his previous kit was given to sigma

spare fox
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it's kind of cool how this time tomorrow we will know

past copper
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It depends how much time has gone by for him to change up his style

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Personally, he’d probably dump one mini gun to use only one for more mobility

spare fox
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right, the short story did mention a shield on him but that could have been scrapped entirely or it might be part of his kit still

hushed jetty
spare fox
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other than new hero I'm hoping for a new roadmap for the first half of 2024

past copper
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True, but they might change his barrier. Most of them are different after all

spare fox
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with or without a barrier/shield wouldn't surprise me honestly. True neutral on it ig

past copper
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Plus, depending how hero balances go, a new barrier tank wouldn’t be a bad call

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We haven’t had one since Sigma

hushed jetty
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ramattra-ish

past copper
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I mean, Ram is kinda eh with his barrier. I really think devs might scarp the barrier at some point in the future, but that’s just me

spare fox
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I find it so difficult to place Ram's barrier because I keep wanting to treat it like Sigma's mechanically

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so I pull it up and oops it's on the other side of the map

past copper
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Heck. The fact devs showed off an experimental version with his barrier to punch across the map shows even they aren’t happy with it

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Not anymore anyway

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Regardless, we’ll see what Mauga has to offer as a hero soon enough

spare fox
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All the third party merch is being posted: youtooz and gaming chairs themed after dva and kiri

vapid tusk
keen summit
keen summit
placid vessel
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Where can I find all the ow news being shown tmrw?

peak escarp
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Twitch

Overwatch™ is a highly stylized team-based action game set in a future worth fighting for. Every match is an intense multiplayer showdown pitting a diverse cast of heroes, mercenaries, scientists, adventurers, and oddities against each other in an epic, globe-spanning conflict.

▶ Play video
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or Blizzard's twitch channel

fresh rock
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Cool!

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I'm excited

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Not gonna be much, Saturday will be even bigger

keen summit
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New hero is shown today with other big surprises

fresh rock
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I thought new hero was shown tomorrow!

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Ooooh boy

keen summit
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Nope today

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In 6 and a half hours

tired crescent
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ight time to stay up

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like usual

keen summit
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Roughly, as the hero gets shown in opening ceremony and then we get deep dive

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The deep dive has origin story so the opening ceremony woth ow is either an cinematic or a s8 trailer

round bramble
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is there a lore reason why kiriko is an unlikable brat

next jewel
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Na, I don't think so, maybe because she grew up with Genji and Hanzo?

keen summit
round bramble
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true

round bramble
golden oak
golden oak
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At least thanks to kiri, Hanzo will get new lore 🤷‍♂️

rare trail
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today is hanzos birthdy

cloud summit
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Hello 👋

zealous pumice
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Kiri really is just a massive zoomer in all of the worst ways

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She's the anti-Soldier, with her lines kinda just being about her being young and energetic

potent briar
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No mfin way nintendo switch fucked up-

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That’s all I'm gonna say

keen summit
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oh no i know

potent briar
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I just don't wanna get in trouble for saying too much

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||idk how y'all feel about leaks||

peak escarp
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do not share leaks here

stiff zephyr
peak escarp
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that's fine

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I was more talking about the new hero

stiff zephyr
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Sweet

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Emre is finally confirmed as the mohawk guy, took long enough

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Really hope they're the next DPS hero

worn latch
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DID MAUGA JUST GET LEAKED OR R THOSE NOT REAL

peak escarp
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shh

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indoor voice

worn latch
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Sorry 😓😓

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Did mauga get leaked or are those fake?

keen summit
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yes

worn latch
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OH MY LORDDD

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He's shirtless we won

peak escarp
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I repeat

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do not share leaks here

keen summit
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thought i was in serious

keen summit
spare fox
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can we talk about it after he's officially released or is this total spoiler-free zone?

peak escarp
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after the official release is fine

keen summit
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aka few hours

spare fox
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okie, didn't want to spoil unintentionally

worn latch
keen summit
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btw

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blizz themselves basically confirmed we are getting a cinematic

worn latch
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so excited

stiff zephyr
keen summit
stiff zephyr
peak escarp
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the French version of the book released yesterday

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the English version doesn't come out until Tuesday

worn latch
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I THOUGHT IT CAME OUT IN MARCH???

spare fox
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if you have a nearby bookstore, check it sooner because sometimes bookstores don't care about release dates if it isn't a major title

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I got two of my OW anthologies early that way

rare trail
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overwatch declassified isnt overwatch ascendant

spare fox
worn latch
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Oh

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Teehee

spare fox
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Declassified is basically one big worldbuilding info dump

worn latch
dapper magnet
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I heard that bap is from Haiti

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Is there any mention of Dominican Republic at all in the lore

humble escarp
dapper magnet
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I know close to nothing outside of the shorts

humble escarp
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have yall seen the new hero leaks?

dapper magnet
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Apparently can't talk about it here

humble escarp
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aw ok

rare trail
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baptiste is haitian yeah

dapper magnet
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I saw his reveal trailer and I didn't see anything about Haiti. Is it from a comic or just someone recognized his ult is in Creole?

hushed jetty
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we always know where each hero is from

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generally

peak escarp
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from his hero bio

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wooden sleet
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um pardon me for disturbing but I wanted to ask is the image of ana with young fareeha with a bunch of overwatch agents stil canon or not?

rare trail
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yeah

wooden sleet
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okay thanks

rare trail
fresh rock
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Canon

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I think we have everyone here

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Now that the guy on the left is named.

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"Emre"

rare trail
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he is? in what?

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declassified?

fresh rock
peak escarp
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seems to be, yes

worthy rose
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The way they made pharah was older that she was supposed to

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I like it tho

peak escarp
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how did they make her older?

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they made everyone older by 2 years

merry token
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Emre Sarioğlu

peak escarp
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in OW1 she was 32

worthy rose
rare trail
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no

worthy rose
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Because she should be around mercy and Cassidy age in that picture

rare trail
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shes 12 in that picture

peak escarp
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in that picture Pharah is 12, Mercy is 17

rare trail
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cassidy and mercy are older than her

worthy rose
peak escarp
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still a 5 year difference

worthy rose
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I thought she wasn’t older than 10 there

peak escarp
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currently Pharah is 34, Mercy/Cassidy are 39

worthy rose
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Yea that makes more sense

dapper magnet
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Who's the gal next to McCree?

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To the right

next crater
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Soujorn

peak escarp
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Sojourn

next crater
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Presumbly

rare trail
# rare trail this?

from left to right
emre(?) reaper ana pharah soldier rein torb mercy cassidy sojourn

keen summit
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TOLD YOU THAT WAS HIS VOICE

hushed jetty
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i need that hero deep dive asap bc wtf do you mean BOTH hearts

rare trail
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now that maugas gameplay trailer is out can we talk about him?

vapid tusk
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Hammond + Reinhardt

past copper
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Welp, I love Mauga already and I haven’t even played him yet

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He seems a LOT chiller in the game then he sounds in the short story tho, doesn’t he? Or is that just me

quick grail
vapid tusk
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where do you see cass

quick grail
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the cover of the book have dva pharah batiste and zarya in the cover, the people mcree recruited, but the book seems only about the old overwatch, the original members

worthy rose
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whats the relationship between mauga and baptiste

past copper
dense nebula
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It’s more complicated than that in all honesty

past copper
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Mauga made it a point to hunt down Bap to bring him back to Talon or kill him

dense nebula
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Because Mauga is sadistic and enjoys his work in Talon

quick grail
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of course a couple, no friends, friends dont exist in ow, everyone is in love with another

dense nebula
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So it already puts him at odds against the more compassionate Bap

opaque tundra
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im thinking about what mr. keller said about mauga

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the way he phrased it makes me think mauga has some depth or hidden tragedy to him

dense nebula
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Besides getting blown tf up by one of his only friends?

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dense nebula
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Bruh

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Why’s it always romance these days

merry token
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I’m just pointing out that that’s how their author intended to write them 😭

dense nebula
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Are they actual exes or is the circumstances of their friendship similar to one

merry token
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Doesn’t mean it’s going to be canon

dense nebula
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Because I’m getting tired of the exes trope in stories these days

dense nebula
hushed jetty
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in game, if there's a baptiste he has an interaction where he says "you and me, baptiste. you and me."

prisma adder
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i wonder if thats gonna stir up some drama with Lifeweaver bc Bap and LW have been flirting in voicelines

dense nebula
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LW can have Bap

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I want Mauga

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platonically

prisma adder
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lmaoooo fair

dense nebula
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And also it’s always the same ol with writers these days

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Hence the why am I not surprised statement earlier

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If there’s friends turned rivals there’s always a romantic element to it these days

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Can’t ever just be friends or brothers anymore

prisma adder
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yeah but with those type of stories theres always an underlying tension of sorts

merry token
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Like I said, just because Alyssa wrote them like that doesn’t mean that Blizzard intends on making the implied romantic aspect canon

dense nebula
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Doesn’t need to be a sexual or romantic tension

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And btw, I don’t hate the romance thing, I just hate that it’s overused

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One of the best examples of it imo is The Lego Batman movie

prisma adder
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hehe yeah

dense nebula
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Which, granted, slams it in your face like a semi going 90mph

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But ever since that it’s been cheap copies of the design

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Gets boring

worn latch
dense nebula
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LW can have whoever he’s a waste of a slot imo

prisma adder
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im just a sucker for that type of stuff so as long as its interesting enough ill like it

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dense nebula
prisma adder
dense nebula
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prisma adder
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if we're gonna talk about rivalries in OW reaper and soldier are the OGs lets be real

dense nebula
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I can’t see Reaper the same anymore after all the videos of his in game quotes by players

prisma adder
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lmao what was he been saying

dense nebula
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I would say

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But I’d get banned

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It’s that messed up

prisma adder
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oop

dense nebula
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Using in game quotes that you can get mind you

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As in they splice different quotes to left her to say this stuff

prisma adder
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OHHH i know what ur talking about yeah thats shits annoying

dense nebula
hardy creek
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@tall zenith Are you in the lore?

tall zenith
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what

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shut the hell up

hardy creek
tall zenith
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no

worthy rose
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the new dps is on dva's squad right

peak escarp
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no

dense nebula
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Ngl, that support looks so out of place in OW2

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Honestly they both do

rare trail
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have they said anything about the new dps and supp or just shown the concept art?

peak escarp
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just the concept art and names

dense nebula
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What are their names?

peak escarp
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the damage hero is Venture

dense nebula
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That explains the drill

peak escarp
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the support hero is codenamed Space Ranger

dense nebula
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Oh codenamed

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I was about to say

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If that’s her actual name

peak escarp
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so she'll have a different final name

dense nebula
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Ngl, I expected Mauga to have darker skin based on some of the art he was in

spare fox
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They look like 2 more "Illari"'s that don't have any current connections

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From looks alone

dense nebula
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Now I await the next tank to be added

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Hopefully with a greatsword

peak escarp
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Venture has the symbol found on computers in Petra on their jacket

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the archaeology faction seems to be called Wayfinder

dense nebula
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Same group that Indiana Jones guy is a part of?

peak escarp
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Hamid Faisal, yes

spare fox
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Archeological digs currently going on in: Illios, Petra, Ayuthattya

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Wonder what they're looking for...

spare fox
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Venture reminds me of one of Mei's original concepts

worn latch
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Lifeweaver has a voice line when he pulls mauga

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"a big ?hug? For a large friend"

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Don't quote me on that tho

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I'll go look at it in replay

pallid garden
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what exactly is mauga and bap history

golden oak
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Why do I feel like they made Mauga more friendly

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golden oak
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He seems like a cool guy

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pallid garden
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why does bap ask if mauga is still mad at him tho

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golden oak
worn latch
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worn latch
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I wouldn't hold a grudge move on mauga 😒

hushed jetty
golden oak
wooden sleet
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they low key just said omnic dont have souls

rare trail
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?

wooden sleet
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watching the hero deep dive, they were talking about how an omnic was going to be the one tattooing him, but the cultarist they spoke to said that it had to be a human, someone with a soul.

peak escarp
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someone who isn't familiar with Overwatch lore would see a robot and think, no, they don't have souls

wooden sleet
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yeah, but its still hilarious

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how they kinda lowkey just said yeah, omnics have no souls

peak escarp
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it's more about respecting tradition

azure bluff
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I mean, what is a soul?

peak escarp
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it's still debatable whether humans have souls

worn latch
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"there, we can protect each other now"

next jewel
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So, I've noticed something while playing Mauga, he says something about "both hearts pumping hard" or smth like that, does that mean he has two hearts instead of just one?

worn latch
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Idk if these r character specific it's just when I lifegrip mauga

rare trail
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mauga is playable?

next jewel
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Not for long, limited time Mauga

lavish vessel
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U can also hear both heartbeats during the ability

worn latch
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Did Moira do that?

lavish vessel
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I assume so, or one of the other doctors from his orin story

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Origin

next jewel
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Btw, Mauga's charge can be stoped by another Mauga charge

spare fox
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Ha that scale

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Tracer is 1m???

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Hope no one takes that as fact.. or I didn't see it properly...

rare trail
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what scale?

spare fox
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Ok I kind of read it wrong but the way they have it viewed is stupid

dense nebula
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Wait am I hearing something wrong in Mauga’s trailer?

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When he does the Cardiac ability I swear I hear him say “both hearts pumping”

peak escarp
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he has two hearts

dense nebula
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Who tf does this man think he is a Space Marine?

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Does he have 3 lungs too?

peak escarp
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cybernetic hearts

dense nebula
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Well I guess that’s because he went boom

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Kinda wish he was more cybernetic on the outside too

keen summit
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Confirmed now that sigma DOES join missions

distant sparrow
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is mauga insane

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i mean as in mentally, not good ingame

rare trail
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it got confirmed? does mauga have a voiceline or smth?

spare fox
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Join missions?

fluid plover
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Remember when Gavin said Shambali monestary had a teaser for a future hero like a year ago

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And the new damage hero is a mountain climber and uses a drill

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It's been right in our face all along

dense nebula
ruby ridge
dense nebula
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Also yeah I’m pretty sure Mauga isn’t all there in the head

ruby ridge
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Like the mastermind

dense nebula
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I’m pretty sure he’s some level of Psychotic

rare trail
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not that mauga exists

golden oak
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I think he’s bigger than rein

dense nebula
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I’m pretty sure he is too

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If not taller

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Then for sure wider

keen summit
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Mauga is now confirmed to be a bit higher up than we thought tho as doomfist acjnowledges him

dense nebula
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Yeah he’s a full on elite to my knowledge

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And also psychotic

peak escarp
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Sigma was included because he's a Talon member

golden oak
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Did y’all notice they did Mauga in game kinda like they did Junkrat.
In lore they’re criminals doing evil for fun
Meanwhile in game they’re friendly guys, even wholesome sometimes

peak escarp
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a lot of heroes are like that

golden oak
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I feel like they’re making them friendlier in the game

peak escarp
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well yeah

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they want them to be appealing to players

golden oak
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I mean there’s few characters that don’t seem friendly

dense nebula
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They need to pull a Warhammer

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Sometimes being pure evil is fun

golden oak
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Also wild how they (probably) used Rein’s scrapped charge for Mauga’s charge

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In early stages of development, rein had a charge like that where we would just run

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keen summit
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The scary thing bout them is that yhey can be sitting next to you, a nice barman etc and u wouldnt go "theyd kill people"

dense nebula
#

Like, it’s not even funny how psychotic Mauga is

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Actually

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It’s very funny

keen summit
#

Sadly thats wgat war often does

peak escarp
#

oh huh

keen summit
#

As the origin story shows he was in battles befire

peak escarp
#

Venture is enby

dense nebula
#

Oh

peak escarp
#

neat

keen summit
#

Aha, cool how we get gameplay tmrw

dense nebula
#

So instead of giving any idea on gameplay for Venture they tell us Venture’s pronouns

peak escarp
#

they were specifically asked

#

and the person who answered is a character designer, not a gameplay designer

dense nebula
#

Well in that case I guess it makes sense

golden oak
dense nebula
#

Tho I’d very much prefer gameplay details over anything else

peak escarp
#

is enby considered trans?

keen summit
#

Venture is legit bekng shown off with early gameplay tmrw

dense nebula
#

unless Venture still releases in two seasons

golden oak
keen summit
worn latch
#

GRAAHHHH

worn latch
#

We won

peak escarp
#

hm

dense nebula
#

Won what?

golden oak
#

So yeah, that includes nonbinary people

dense nebula
#

Exactly

peak escarp
#

okay, wasn't sure

worn latch
#

I'm so happy

dense nebula
#

I mean it was inevitable

#

don’t know why that’s so surprising

worn latch
#

I'm still happy

dense nebula
#

I guess

golden oak
peak escarp
#

tbh I'm glad it's not one of the existing heroes retconned

dense nebula
#

at the least

peak escarp
#

any trans character should be designed as one from the get go

dense nebula
#

But when work needs getting done

#

Let’s just say he enjoys it a bit too much

keen summit
dense nebula
#

Mf got two hearts just to be more effective

golden oak
dense nebula
#

I mean when you wake up to the power of two hearts pumping your body

#

Chances are you’re gonna react aggressively

rare trail
#

why

golden oak
#

Didn’t he request that?

dense nebula
#

I’m

#

Not sure

peak escarp
#

it seemed like they did it to save his life

dense nebula
#

Made it seem like he was basically dead since the explosion

#

And that’s what brought him back

golden oak
dense nebula
#

I said basically dead

#

Not actually dead

golden oak
#

Was the explosion the one Baptiste did?

peak escarp
#

no

dense nebula
#

That one is later

#

After he got the Space Marine treatment

golden oak
#

So he only joined talon after he was modified

dense nebula
#

Yeah

#

That’s where he met Bap and

#

depending on who you ask

#

Either became good friends or a thing

#

Imo they were just friends because random romances are boring and overused

golden oak
#

Bap in game is like
“I know I blow you up, but hope you’re not mad at me 🥺👉👈”

dense nebula
#

Mauga is the sort to say I’m not mad while trying to strangle Bap with both his tree trunk hands in the calmest, warmest tone

golden oak
#

Also idk if anyone mentioned here but something I predicted just got confirmed
We will get heroes and villains role swap (probably as BP theme)

dense nebula
#

Good guy Reaper

keen summit
dense nebula
golden oak
keen summit
peak escarp
#

Aaron Keller mentioned it during Blizzcon

dense nebula
#

I’m pretty sure Mauga’s body is as tough as Kevlar

keen summit
golden oak
#

We’re also getting ancient Egyptian BP

peak escarp
#

he listed some upcoming BP themes, including eldritch horror, egyptian mythology, witches, and mirror universe

keen summit
dense nebula
#

….

keen summit
#

Ra-mattra mythic

dense nebula
#

Sobek Mauga

peak escarp
#

either Pharah or Ramattra need to have the mythic for that season

golden oak
#

If Ana didn’t have a mythic already she’d probably get

#

I want it to be ram but probably pharah

dense nebula
keen summit
dense nebula
#

Better be Ramattra

peak escarp
#

so what if she gets a lot of skins

#

mythics are a different tier

keen summit
#

And blizz dont follow logic with em

golden oak
#

Eldritch horror so lovecraft?

peak escarp
#

pretty much

dense nebula
#

Osiris Reaper

golden oak
#

We already have Cthulhu zen

dense nebula
#

Yes yes I know

#

ironic

#

If anything Reaper would be Set

#

And Soldier 76 would be Osiris

peak escarp
#

the obvious choice for mythic for an Egyptian mythology themed BP is Anubis Ramattra

dense nebula
#

Yeah

#

Shepard of souls to the afterlife

#

Shepard of Omnics to a better future

#

Osiris Ram would work well too

#

Or Horus Ram

#

Bes Torb needs to happen tho

golden oak
#

I didn’t catch that there will be witch themed bp

dense nebula
#

unless they decide to do cool warlock skins too

peak escarp
#

Witch Moira

golden oak
#

If mercy didn’t have witch skins already I’d say it would be mythic witch mercy

dense nebula
#

If we are to get another mythology themed BP

#

I want a Yoruban one

#

Shango Doomfist

golden oak
#

Witch mythic could be any female hero tbh

dense nebula
#

Ngl, recent OW hero releases haven’t felt like OW heroes besides Ram and Mauga if that makes any sense

golden oak
#

Characters I could see having witch mythic: Moira, Mercy (this one I kinda doubt tho), Echo, Mei, Sombra, Symm, Ashe

#

Although both symm and Ashe already have a skin in that theme sort of

#

Technically also moira if you count wicked

dense nebula
#

So what you’re telling me is

#

The Witch BP is a complete waste

rare trail
#

doesnt mei have a witchy skin from the dnd season?

golden oak
#

A lot of heroes already have a skin in that theme

golden oak
#

I wouldn’t count

dense nebula
#

Alchemy is just science magic

golden oak
#

Ehh

#

It’s not as close to witch as Ashe warlock or Symm conjurer

#

Imagine Cthulhu Winston as eldritch horror mythic PogChimp

#

You can turn his jet pack into wings

#

Give him octopus beard, and done

#

I could also see wrecking ball being in this bp as some kind of eldritch eye

#

Like his mech having an eyeball or being an eyeball

merry mason
#

Witch is too specific for a bp

peak escarp
#

could be expanded to a general magic theme

golden oak
next jewel
#

Wizard Ramattra

ruby ridge
#

We’re getting lots of horror related season themes next year

#

And I’m excited

#

Eldridct horrors ❤️ or joever you spell it

#

Joever

#

However

dense nebula
#

It’s so Joever

#

there’s nothing we can do

void flax
#

So why did mauga become a fun loving guy

dense nebula
#

One must imaging Lore discussion happy

dense nebula
#

look at John Kramer

void flax
#

Oh is that it? Thanks for ur help. I thought it was something bigger/less obvious lol

keen summit
dense nebula
#

Nah

#

He got blown up and nearly died

void flax
#

I thought the operation like made him a monster, bc he choked the doctor

dense nebula
#

Now he has 2 hearts and is a diagnosed Psychopath

keen summit
dense nebula
keen summit
#

But now he felt invincible, ge survived an explosion, then how much can he fo

dense nebula
#

He’s survived two now

keen summit
#

Yea

dense nebula
#

and I doubt he’s looking to make amends with Bap

#

Considering

#

Ya known

#

He’s the one who blew him up the second time

keen summit
#

We dong know where in talon he stands now bit it wouldnt surprise me if hes quite high ranking

dense nebula
#

Chances are he’s actually a member of the elite

#

Because he keeps the angry berserker attitude as a facade

keen summit
dense nebula
#

He’s actually a highly dangerous and intelligent tactician

keen summit
#

Imagine if hes one of the empty seats of the council now

#

Unlikely

#

More of an important asset like sigma

#

But, it would be funny

golden oak
#

He was a lot smaller before

dense nebula
#

Sigma is what I would consider a wild variable for Talon

dense nebula
keen summit
keen summit
golden oak
#

He’s so handsome ngl

dense nebula
#

Well duh

#

He’s Samoan

#

Everyone knows Samoans have a hidden passive of always being attractive

golden oak
#

Moira could’ve rebuild him without all that metal

dense nebula
#

My question is tf did they do to juice him up so much

golden oak
#

Steroids

keen summit
dense nebula
#

Mf earned his name of Mountain

keen summit
#

But knowing his line of "work on me" it would probs mean steroids, implants etc

dense nebula
#

Obv implants

#

Given the whole two hearts thing

keen summit
#

What does weird me out in the origin story is that his silhouette is with the glasses

dense nebula
#

but surely two hearts wouldn’t do all that right?

keen summit
dense nebula
keen summit
#

We see stuff everywhere on him

golden oak
#

It’s not just his muscles getting bigger tho, but like whole body

dense nebula
#

Besides his head

#

Y’all ever play Battleborn?

keen summit
dense nebula
#

He reminds me so much of Montana in that game

#

Which is hilarious cause both their names mean Mountain

keen summit
#

Mauga when killed hy doom has a line where he says "you put this challenge on yourself" roughly

#

And rama calls it muscles tho

#

So its unckear

golden oak
#

Would you like to see my muscles

dense nebula
#

No

golden oak
#

You shame yourself

dense nebula
#

I have no shame

#

For all I bear is confidence

golden oak
#

This is no time for diplomacy

dense nebula
#

If we ever get a Warhammer 40k crossover bp

#

I need me an Ork Mauga with dual Dakka

golden oak
#

No

dense nebula
#

Yes

golden oak
#

I want the story behind that white stroke of hair

keen summit
#

Gotta admir, tanks are always lucky with the hero releases

#

I mean, mauga, jq, rama and even hammond all were anticipated chars, orisa was properly built up and sigma has one of the best origin stories

next jewel
#

Probably because tanks are very important in both game and lore

dense nebula
#

Notice how it’s always supports getting the “garbage” releases

#

Kiriko, Illari, Lifeweaver

next jewel
#

I don't even know how Illari and Lifeweaver were announced, I just heard about Lifeweaver being added and Illari came out of nowhere for me

rare trail
#

illari was teased a while before she released

next jewel
#

I never heared about Illari or any teasers about her

golden oak
rare trail
#

there was like a silhouette of her

next jewel
#

Also, is there a lore reason behind Illaris abilitys, I mean the jump and her ult

#

Because I get the sun theme, but how does she fire a supernova

golden oak
next jewel
#

Ah

#

It's somtimes confusing with what abilitys are canon and what abilitys are not

#

Like, Anas Nano Boost is just next level temporary steroids

hollow tinsel
#

Ok but like blizzard should make a collab with Disney, and make a Mauga-Maui skin

#

This guy

#

Oh wait

#

I don't have reg

#

Nvm

next jewel
#

And then make The Rock actually record the voicelines

hollow tinsel
#

That'd be awesome

next jewel
#

And I know Maui, I think most people do, funny demi-god

zealous pumice
#

Is it canon that Mauga and Bap were a thing, some of their lines are, saucy

next jewel
#

They actually already have pre-match interactions?

zealous pumice
#

I've seen at least one where Bap is all flustered and like hope you aren't still mad

#

Plus some of the lines when Bap is killed by Mauga

#

"Lookin sultry buddy"

next jewel
#

Maybe it's just how Mauga talks to his buddys, and maybe Bap is very sorry

hushed jetty
#

Mauga: "You and me, Baptiste. You and me." after the match starts

next jewel
#

I mean, they did make a terrifing duo

#

In the lore

hushed jetty
#

Baptiste: "Well, this is awkward. (nervous laugh) Are you still mad at me? Don't answer that." prematch

next jewel
#

I mean, it would be awkward to be in the team with your friend who you blew up

keen summit
worn latch
#

I wonder what sombra thinks of Mauga

#

Since she has that one kill line with him

#

It doesn't seem like she likes him

zealous pumice
#

I assume she doesn't because she's on good terms with Bap

next jewel
#

What does she say when she kills him?

zealous pumice
#

HE FUCKING CALLS LIFEWEAVER PRETTY WHEN HE KILLS HIM, AND WEAVER SAYS THE SAME THING ABOUT MAKING IT UP TO HIM THAT HE SAYS TO BAPTISTE

#

Mauga is definitely a little fruity

next jewel
#

Wtf did Moira do with Mauga

hushed jetty
#

we dont know but when trapping her mauga says "how bout you be the test subject for once?" so maybe she did some evil scientist shit like she always does

zealous pumice
#

Maybe she had something to do with his hearts? I know she wasn't the one who implanted them, but maybe she developed them? Or modified them after he joined Talon?

worn latch
worn latch
#

I'm not sure

hushed jetty
#

he got the natural one modified at some point so maybe she helped with that isk

hushed jetty
merry token
#

Their writer wrote them as romantic exes

#

Or, heavily implied at least

dense nebula
#

writers really are running out of ideas huh

worn latch
#

It's not even a bad thing

#

It adds more to their relationship

#

It's interesting

proven fox
#

Who voices mauga?

dense nebula
#

Don’t know why it always has to default to romance

#

But desperate people be desperate to write love

worn latch
#

Do u just hate gay people

dense nebula
#

No

#

What gave you that dumbass idea?

worn latch
#

There's very few romantic relationships between characters

dense nebula
#

I just hate overused romance in general

worn latch
#

Idk what ur talking about ngl

#

There's anahartd, gency, pharmacy

#

That's basically all

dense nebula
#

And I dislike them all

#

And much more outside of OW

worn latch
#

Alright this is an overwatch server so I'm not thinking of anything outside of overwatch

dense nebula
#

Fair enough

#

But you get where I’m coming from though right?

peak escarp
#

I dislike romance being put in the game too

dense nebula
#

Hell there’s only like one video game romance I actually like

#

Mainly because I love both the characters

#

Wainwright and Hammerlock in BL3

worn latch
#

Idk I think them being bitter exes is interesting

#

It adds more character than them being "brothers"

dense nebula
#

I think it’s generic and predictable

worn latch
#

There's already a lot of sibling like relationships in overwatch

dense nebula
#

Besides they literally just started hinting at LW and Bap not too long ago

worn latch
#

Siblings and family members that don't like each other

dense nebula
#

Why now have Bap have something with Mauga

worn latch
#

Genuine question

#

Those both have more lore

dense nebula
worn latch
#

They have a singular interaction tho

dense nebula
#

and honestly because I forgot he fliteled with Sombra and Arthur Morgan

dense nebula
worn latch
#

Bap calls sombra sweetheart in one 🤔

#

In the short story he's basically asking if Cass is single

dense nebula
#

I feel like asking someone to dinner > calling someone sweetheart

worn latch
#

And baptiste and lifeweaver don't know each other in lore

#

So it's not going to go anywhere

#

Most likely

#

Unlike the other romantic relationships like gency

dense nebula
#

Well writers have shown they do romances between characters because they think it’s “cute”

#

Wouldn’t put it past the OW writers

worn latch
#

I mean I'd you make two flirtatious characters interact with each other

#

What do u expect

empty crescent
#

I know what’s going to happen to LW in lore

#

He is going to get ignored and left to dust cause he is not part of overwatch or talon 😭 (see Hanzo and Sym).

#

Hanzo no lore development since 2016 I think

worn latch
#

Obvi

spare fox
#

fans get too worked up about relationships - both ways
the mad crazy frothing at the mouth shippers are annoying, then the anti-shippers over-correct to the point that they're annoying too

empty crescent
#

FR tho I feel like they need to expand beyond omnics, talon, and ow sometimes

#

To make world more big and lively

worn latch
#

Justice for my boy

#

They only like him for ship content

#

😞💔

worn latch
spare fox
#

idk it seems normal and expected for a whole cast of characters to have some romance/sexual relationships in it, but at the same time the whole "pair everyone up" gets a bit annoying too

#

plus, I like what Michael Chu said years ago that most of the OW characters are "married to their jobs"

worn latch
#

I don't mean to be one of those people but I doubt lifeweaver would have time for a relationship between healing the world with biolight and also being a fugitive

spare fox
#

plus, I kind of like Bap and Mauga being exes - it's a dynamic we haven't seen yet and we have seen quite a diverse amount of dynamics for the cast

#

in the beginning of the fandom around release, Soldier/Reaper and Widow/Tracer kept getting the "exes on bad terms" treatment by fans and it just... didn't work and felt so forced
At least Bap and Mauga have actual canon history implied

dense nebula
#

Reaper/Soldier and Arthur Morgan and Ashe being the two most prominent

#

Sure not romantic yet they fulfill the same idea

spare fox
#

Reaper and Soldier were never romantically involved. They were friends.

spare fox
#

and Cassidy(I think that's who you mean?) and Ashe are ex-partners in crime

#

they're all quite different

dense nebula
#

So why add another with the only twist being “this time they may or may not be exes”

spare fox
#

because it's... different

dense nebula
#

Not really

#

You can change the backdrop but the idea would remain the same

spare fox
#

but it is, because it's not the same

#

how characters react with different characters is what makes a narrative dynamic

#

Lifeweaver, Mauga, Soldier, Sym, and Roadhog ALL would react to situations differently

#

and they would react differently with different characters as well

empty crescent
worn latch
worn latch
#

(I'm biased cuz lifeweaver)

empty crescent
#

Yeah it has a lot of potential that’s getting, unfortunately, ignored

#

I guess we should be happy that OW is trying to expand lore I guess.

#

The PVE cutscenes were great ngl

spare fox
#

I hope we get more.. they were conspicuously silent on PvE today...

merry token
hushed jetty
peak escarp
#

there aren't currently any canon relationships between playable heroes

#

only between playable heroes and NPCs

#

and mostly in the past tense

#

the only heroes currently in a relationship are Tracer (girlfriend Lena), and Torbjorn (wife Ingrid)

merry token
dense nebula
#

Ofc they were shipped

#

tho if you ask me Tracer is mid af

spare fox
#

I suspect it was the Alive cinematic that sparked it

dense nebula
#

Really

peak escarp
#

yeah

dense nebula
#

What gave that away?

peak escarp
#

the Cassidy/Hanzo ship started because they were the only two young(ish) male heroes on the roster at the time

dense nebula
#

Man I’m really cranky at night aren’t I?

peak escarp
#

the Pharah/Mercy ship started because they both fly

dense nebula
#

Don’t even get me started on the Roadhog/Mercy ship

#

Or Gency

peak escarp
#

Gency was at least supported by in-game voice lines

dense nebula
#

Even then

#

I find it weird for a doctor to fall in love with her patients

rare trail
#

roadhog mercy is partially blizzards fault

peak escarp
#

and I thought that was the way it was going, until the change in OW2

worn latch
#

Tracer 🔛🔝

dense nebula
#

See I can play these meaningless games too

worn latch
worn latch
merry token
worn latch
#

Yahhh

dense nebula
#

Enemies to lovers sucks as a trope to begin with

worn latch
#

Enemies to lovers can be good in SOME instances

peak escarp
#

it does

dense nebula
#

Imo

peak escarp
#

it's very unrealistic

worn latch
#

I'm more fond of friends to lovers teehee

dense nebula
#

Ah yes this individual and I have tried to kill each other for three years

#

Let us now bury the hatchet as we “bury the hatchet”

peak escarp
#

I'm more fond of friends to pseudo-siblings

dense nebula
worn latch
#

I ship almost nothing in overwatch because even tho they're all consenting adults...age gaps... It's just not for me personally

#

Anything more than 3 years makes me feel icky

dense nebula
#

I think the very idea of shipping is dumb

#

And I look down on people that take part in it to an unhealthy degree

worn latch
#

Understandable

#

I can't count how many times I've seen people get mad at mauga ALREADY for "messing with their ship"

#

Y'all r weird if that's the only thing u care about

peak escarp
dense nebula
#

Thank God

merry token
peak escarp
dense nebula
#

I consider anything above a 6-7 year gap in the uncomfortable zone

#

past 10 and you earn my glare

peak escarp
#

weird to judge consenting adults

worn latch
#

It's still a personal opinion

#

Not like I'm going around shaming real people lol

dense nebula
#

No I get that, but I still have my… restrictions?reluctances? Hesitations?

#

Am I finding the right for this yet?

worn latch
charred crescent
# dense nebula past 10 and you earn my glare

I would say that it also definitely depends on how that compares to the ages of the people in question, in terms of… well, 75-85 is relatively speaking a lot less of a gap in terms of, not just age and development, but also life experiences, as opposed to something like 20-30.

vapid tusk
#

That’s all based on societal structures though

vapid tusk
peak escarp
#

unfortunately

#

despite never getting anything to support it

charred crescent
#

Sounds like a…

Rah, rah-ah-ah-ah
Roma, roma-ma

cosmic echo
#

has bliz still explained the mercy and pharah age issue

#

or is it just retconned

peak escarp
#

it was never retconned

#

there's no issue

cosmic echo
peak escarp
#

they're 12 and 17

cosmic echo
#

I see now tho

cosmic echo
peak escarp
#

the writers said so

past copper
#

Without question, this man is an absolute unit

#

Hmm. Too bad we don’t know what’s with the bio material in his home

peak escarp
#

it was cybernetic hearts

hushed jetty
#

like. extras?

past copper
#

Odd. Pretty sure anything with radiation would be a poor choice to use for hearts

hushed jetty
#

its not a radioactive symbol its a biohazard symbol

past copper
#

But given what this man uses, probably only way he can be this deadly

#

Hmm. Wonder if it’s like that for all Talon Heavy Assault

hushed jetty
#

i dont think they all have 2 hearts

past copper
#

You never know. You got people like Moira in Talon, it’s not outta the question there’s more messed up people like her

#

Who go the extra mile to make improvements to their units

hushed jetty
#

from what i got from the origin story he got the second heart after almost dying, not from being in talon

past copper
#

I mean, you can’t look at the doctor who performed the surgery and tell me he couldn’t be apart of Talon

zealous pumice
#

I mean, man's dead now soooooo does it matter?

hushed jetty
#

i really must ponder what exactly made mauga snap after getting injured

past copper
#

Technically, we don’t know if he’s dead

hushed jetty
#

knowing mauga he probably is

past copper
#

And it’s probably not that he snapped. Mauga just seems to love the thrill of a fight

#

And getting upgraded just made it worse

#

He’s basically a child playing a game. A child with very big guns

hushed jetty
#

so maybe he was always kinda nuts but he stopped taking things seriously for some reason

zealous pumice
hushed jetty
#

i find it interesting that in the origin story we hear a flatline while he's being operated on - idk if that means he was straight up Deceased for a bit or if its just bc they were doin heart shit on him

dense nebula
#

He’s actually a very intelligent strategist and tactician

#

He’s just also completely psychopathic

past copper
#

It’s not much of a facade if you love doing what you’re good at

#

And he definitely loves what he does best

#

Fighting and killing

#

Hope I get the chance to play him tonight while there’s still time, bc I wanna experience this new monster in a fight

#

At least before they tweak his kit

spare fox
#

I know it's not going to happen but they pull a 'Dragonheart' and make like he's a ruthless killer bc of the cybernetic heart(s) but actually he was just a ruthless killer all along

paper gazelle
# peak escarp and I thought that was the way it was going, until the change in OW2

Admittedly I hadn't been keeping up with the latest OW lore happenings, though I did know about some of the pharmercy "hints" which I initially thought to be just a measure to please the pharmercy fans and give them false hope as part of "striking the balance" and keeping both the gency and pharmercy fanbases invested in the game. And then I heard about the PvE subway voiceline, but I just passed it off as just sarcastic banter, though I do feel it's a tad off and Genji & Mercy ceasing to write letters to each other is quite concerning

But then today I've read about evidence that Gavin has a bias towards pharmercy and the writing team hired interns who also supported the ship, and some of the skin artists, who are also apparent pharmercy supporters, have prioritised making Pharah skins seemingly linked to the ship to the point where she has gotten new skins during 6 out of 7 seasons, amongst other allegations. And oh, Gavin is also close friends with a hardcore pharmercy stan!

These are where I got the info from: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch_Memes/s/HB4ccxHKHM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch_Memes/s/zZBvtYWJxW

Though I'm not too sure about some of the allegations as I've taken a break from OW until recently. So I would like to verify if Genji's and Mercy's interactions were indeed totally deleted from the game (update: I've just seen plenty of comments talking about the removal of the interactions and now I feel it is indeed legit), and whether Gavin actually blocked gency shippers and blocked those who questioned the changes.

Either way, all these shit and having such devs already make me seriously worried about the state of Overwatch lore and its future.

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(And apologies for the lengthy message)

paper gazelle
golden oak
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Is the volcano facility on Samoa also Mauga’s

keen summit
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Its importabt that you are in the same stage of life

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Thats why in younger years age gaps are smaller, cuz at 18-20 some already work while say 16 most are still in school

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So its weird, but after 25, MOST are already working and very well aware of their life

keen summit
dense nebula
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Blizzard needs to fire the corrupted employees

ancient flax
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honestly blizz is prob scared to officially confirm anything as they make more money making people guess and come up with head canons for ships by keeping it vague

stiff zephyr
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If you start confirming ships, people get mad and engagement eventually drops

teal jetty
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My lord I look in here and see sigmas balls is typing 💀💀

paper gazelle
paper gazelle
teal jetty
next jewel
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Did yall already hear the Mauga voicelines for trapping certain heros in his ult?

next jewel
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Mostly Talon members

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Reaper: Can't escape death, remember?

teal jetty
fresh rock
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Ay

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You know what this means

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With Mauga, we'll be having more brute force in these Talon missions

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I find it odd though

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Mauga's silhouette has shades on