@celest dirge what do u think of this
#lore-discussion
worn latch
rare trail
no
celest dirge
the nemesis form
worn latch
Oui
celest dirge
i guess yeah if you wanna think like that
it could be like
mcu iron man type stuff
nanotechnology
pallid garden
didnt doomfist get handled by winston and orisa on seperate occasions
worn latch
I think it's a cool theory
worn latch
https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-suit-up-avengers-infinity-war-iron-man-gif-25653...
No imbed perms L
worn latch
empty crescent
didnt doomfist get handled by winston and orisa on seperate occasions
Probably then lol. I am not a huge lore nerd but hypothetically Illari and Sigma should be the strongest
rare trail
nanites are also tiny robots
celest dirge
im not gonna go out and say that nemesis form ISNT canon bc we don’t have direct confirmation yet
it could just be a game balancing thing
nothing more
empty crescent
Although Doomfist gauntlet said to level skyscrapers so that’s why I thought he was really strong
pallid garden
ram uses nano tech right? nemesis form is prob canon if u ask me
rare trail
he hasnt been shown to use nano tech in lore
worn latch
schrondinger’s canon
Ok sigma
quasi sparrow
Isnt rams staff also shoot nano stuff
celest dirge
technically it is nano tech
worn latch
Pew pew pew
quasi sparrow
technically it is nano tech
Ye
celest dirge
i refuse to say it’s canon until blizzard does too
pallid garden
his arms and nemesis form could 100% be nano tech
well where else would they come from is how im thinking about it
quasi sparrow
It could also be like spiritual omnic stuff
celest dirge
well where else would they come from is how im thinking about it
right???
celest dirge
It could also be like spiritual omnic stuff
i was gonna say no but i remembered kiriko existed
guys remember when blizzard said there would be no magic
haha
quasi sparrow
Like zen floating and being invincible during ult
empty crescent
https://tenor.com/view/aba-anime-battle-arena-gif-23309485
Gameplay Doomfist be like:
rare trail
i thought the yt channel had something about this
quasi sparrow
And doesnt he have extra arms during ult
celest dirge
Like zen floating and being invincible during ult
i thought blizzard said this wasn’t canon
or am i tripping
peak escarp
it's not
pallid garden
Although Doomfist gauntlet said to level skyscrapers so that’s why I thought he ...
less dmg than helix grenade
quasi sparrow
Oh
peak escarp
it represents Aurora's transcendence
celest dirge
yeah a lot of the stuff in game is not canon in lore
obviously sombra can’t hack people and stop them from running
quasi sparrow
obviously sombra can’t hack people and stop them from running
Really?
celest dirge
yeah bro
quasi sparrow
I though she could
celest dirge
empty crescent
less dmg than helix grenade
If we are going by gameplay ana solos all. She is literally meta no matter what
quasi sparrow
😲
fresh rock
Not from running.
celest dirge
yeah
quasi sparrow
No i know…
fresh rock
If we are going by gameplay ana solos all. She is literally meta no matter what
Ana.. she has a good eye.
peak escarp
Sombra can only hack things that have computers
quasi sparrow
Oh eas that sarcasm
Yeah…
celest dirge
i think that’s also the case w a lot of the healing stuff too
worn latch
Mb 😓😓
celest dirge
like how mercy beam heals omnics
which logically shouldn’t be possible
but it’s in the game bc it’s a game
empty crescent
Or how Sigma gets caught on junkrat trap when he is floating
celest dirge
imagine actually not being able to heal omnic characters as mercy
quasi sparrow
And like mercy bringing people back to life 💀💀💀
rare trail
celest dirge
yeah her Rez was never canon either
quasi sparrow
Did we forget that
celest dirge
harmony and discord orbs aren’t canon
quasi sparrow
Tru
celest dirge
so with this in mind
quasi sparrow
In lore zen is useless
peak escarp
in lore Zen is just a monk
celest dirge
ramattra nemesis form COULD be canon if we wanna go with nano tech
but with the way the game works
it could also just not be
rare trail
did soj get changed?
peak escarp
Sojourn was fixed
empty crescent
Trying to bring game into it just complicates things cause there is a lot in the game that don’t make any sense
rare trail
most in game stuff isnt canon
celest dirge
if everything was lore accurate the game would suck
it’s just the truth
sometimes blizzard just has to pull things out of their ass to make it work
quasi sparrow
Sojourn was fixed
How old is she now
peak escarp
51
empty crescent
if everything was lore accurate the game would suck
I mean yeah. I completely ignore gameplay in these discussions
quasi sparrow
So her sister had a kid at 16?
rare trail
top 4 strongest in lore are winston orisa sigma and sym btw
quasi sparrow
Not much better
rare trail
i remember someone asking earleir
peak escarp
So her sister had a kid at 16?
18
celest dirge
top 4 strongest in lore are winston orisa sigma and sym btw
erm Hammond is right there!!!
quasi sparrow
top 4 strongest in lore are winston orisa sigma and sym btw
Why sym
quasi sparrow
Why any of those except sig
rare trail
winston and orisa beat doomfist
peak escarp
!!shitposting @celest dirge
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rare trail
sym has hardlight
worn latch
top 4 strongest in lore are winston orisa sigma and sym btw
Lifeweaver ends sym easy 🙏🙏🙏
north dune
This ain't lore
quasi sparrow
What was the shitpost
north dune
Bruh
rare trail
if we go based off stuff they've actually done in lore then just winston and orisa would be there
quasi sparrow
Well
empty crescent
if we go based off stuff they've actually done in lore then just winston and ori...
just in lore gameplay Orisa also be like:
peak escarp
based on only canon examples, no speculation, the top 3 strongest are Winston, Orisa and Doomfist
worn latch
No sigma?
celest dirge
those three do have the top feats right?
quasi sparrow
What about wifow
celest dirge
i don’t think widow is on par with doomfist and Winston
worn latch
Oh that's true
fresh rock
Sigma has no recorded fights. Nor has he ever really fought someone. He's simply been there.
quasi sparrow
Oh ttue
quasi sparrow
Lets instead go off of theoretical power
worn latch
Sigma lore when
fresh rock
I do truly hope we see Sigma in the next batch of story missions.
rare trail
most sigma did was like float some spheres in code of violence
celest dirge
Sigma lore when
his lore was being dutch
quasi sparrow
his lore was being dutch
RIP
fresh rock
Considering we'll be fighting Talon for the next batch.
quasi sparrow
Bro was already mentally ill
worn latch
his lore was being dutch
His villian origin story
I hope we see lifeweaver (please I'm begging pls)
celest dirge
Considering we'll be fighting Talon for the next batch.
we already got the genji vs widow/sombra leak i think
place y’all’s bets rn
worn latch
we already got the genji vs widow/sombra leak i think
WHAT
fresh rock
we already got the genji vs widow/sombra leak i think
Yes, that will happen.
But it wasn't a leak.
worn latch
Oh
rare trail
i remmeber the gif was posted here a few times
fresh rock
It was a tease at.. Blizzcon, was it?
peak escarp
celest dirge
who’s winning y’all
empty crescent
we already got the genji vs widow/sombra leak i think
Genji is gonna solo because Overwatch wants to appease his anime fanbase 
peak escarp
yes, Blizzconline
fresh rock
There it is
rare trail
genji probably
quasi sparrow
They should make ow anime
celest dirge
They should make ow anime
who’s gonna tell them
quasi sparrow
The fist one was really good
worn latch
They should make ow anime
They did
rare trail
genesis
quasi sparrow
Oh sh
fresh rock
Judging from the positions, this is most definitely the beginning of the cutscene from the mission.
celest dirge
zenyatta jus chilling there bruh 💀💀
quasi sparrow
Instead of those lame regular people
peak escarp
Zenyatta is unbothered
fresh rock
zenyatta jus chilling there bruh 💀💀
Zenyatta isn't a fighter my friend.
celest dirge
we don’t know yet
quasi sparrow
Hes a lover 😍
worn latch
🧍♂️
celest dirge
didn’t zenyatta like
golden oak
If Sombra hacks his deflect he’s dead tho
celest dirge
beat up ramattra in the monastery or something
quasi sparrow
Oops
celest dirge
he’s definitely got hands
golden oak
beat up ramattra in the monastery or something
?
fresh rock
If Sombra hacks his deflect he’s dead tho
? How would she be able to do that ?
rare trail
they did sparring
peak escarp
Genji is a cyborg
quasi sparrow
If Sombra hacks his deflect he’s dead tho
His deflect cant be hacked
celest dirge
i think it’d be funny if zenyatta was better at hand to hand combat
golden oak
Robotic hands
quasi sparrow
Or foot to foot
celest dirge
lmao
fresh rock
stop him from moving
Oh.. hold on.. that's very interesting..
celest dirge
i think when they made his body they had that in mind no?
like he’s probably got hacking defenses
peak escarp
maybe
celest dirge
echo has hacking defense
golden oak
like he’s probably got hacking defenses
Yeah but Sombra is one of if not the greatest hacker
celest dirge
so who’s to say genji doesn’t?
celest dirge
Yeah but Sombra is one of if not the greatest hacker
she struggles w echo firewalls
golden oak
she struggles w echo firewalls
That’s non canon voice line
celest dirge
it’s a hypothetical
fresh rock
It's possibly hypothetical.
empty crescent
It would be really funny if blizzard confirmed Zen was the most powerful character in the lore but we are never shown because zen does not fight
golden oak
But echo was designed with lots of kill switches so she doesn’t go rogue
celest dirge
i think even so when they made genji’s body they knew the risks at the time
they knew like “omg what if he gets hacked” and they made sure that he was equipped with all kinds of defense
limpid agate
It would be really funny if blizzard confirmed Zen was the most powerful charact...
Zen does fight. His bio explicitly states this.
celest dirge
we’ll know when it happens
golden oak
We don’t know
celest dirge
Who made them?
i might be tripping but i think angela had a hand in it
limpid agate
When necessary, however, he will fight to protect the innocent, be they omnic or human
Zenyatta continues to forge connections and impart knowledge worldwide, and when necessary, he will fight to protect the innocent, be they omnic or human.
golden oak
i might be tripping but i think angela had a hand in it
I don’t think she knows how to build cybernetics
empty crescent
> When necessary, however, he will fight to protect the innocent, be they omnic ...
“Or human” huge zen w
celest dirge
I don’t think she knows how to build cybernetics
probably not but her expertise on the human body would definitely play a role
golden oak
All mercy did was save him from death
empty crescent
Also am I tripping or did they retcon mercy making reaper?
celest dirge
All mercy did was save him from death
his cybernetic body was the very thing that saved him no?
celest dirge
Also am I tripping or did they retcon mercy making reaper?
when was this
golden oak
Genji got his cybernetics because he was willing to join blackwatch I think
celest dirge
peak escarp
Also am I tripping or did they retcon mercy making reaper?
no
golden oak
his cybernetic body was the very thing that saved him no?
Bro, he had a regular body
empty crescent
when was this
I swear like way back when overwatch released it was said that mercy had a hand in making reaper
celest dirge
im tripping?
empty crescent
But it’s gone now it seems
peak escarp
his cybernetic body was the very thing that saved him no?
Overwatch/Mercy saved his life first, then offered him a cyborg body in exchange for his help taking down the Shimada family
celest dirge
ohhhh
golden oak
He has cybernetics now because he was mutilated by Hanzo
peak escarp
the fight with Hanzo left him paralyzed and clinging to life
golden oak
Yeah I don’t think mercy designed his cybernetics, probably just helped put them on him
empty crescent
Yeah it’s moira now but it was a common belief that mercy made reaper or smt.
empty crescent
I guess not a retcon since it was implied?
golden oak
Moira used mercy’s research to create reaper
I wonder if any of the heroes has cybernetics from doomfist’s family business
pallid garden
I wonder if any of the heroes has cybernetics from doomfist’s family business
junkrats peg leg
stronger than the doomfist
golden oak
Imagine if in the fight with doomfist, he sees genji and says “looks like someone has my prosthetics”
pallid garden
would make sense for sym's left to be doomfist tech but idek what vishkar is in lore
worn latch
That's actually a good theory?
golden oak
Vishkar works with talon
So they could possibly made a deal like doom makes them prosthetics and talon gets money from them
Or something
zenith mango
How is Genji up there
rare trail
dragon
zenith mango
He barely beat hanzo
And got destroyed by doom
He barely beat him with cubernetics
He lost brutally without them
Cinematic
It was close
That’s just not true
If hanzo knew Genji was a shimada it wouldn’t have ended how it did
The whole thing was he didn’t know Genji could control the dragons
Agree to disagree
Wait wait wait
Did u put Genji over sym?
How so
He doesn’t
In what way does he have hard light
Wdym
What part is make
Magic
merry mason
It might be magic
zenith mango
What are you implying is hard light?
fleet dust
Hello
zenith mango
Those are spirits
Source for hard light?
I know how to settle this
@peak escarp I summon Thee, hear my cry and assist me.
Now we wait
Not a friend
They are the lore master around here
Source?
Source for it’s not who wants to be a millionaire?
woven jewel
jvne has chosen to decline a million dollars, onto our next lore participant
zenith mango
Exactly
woven jewel
woven jewel
True
zenith mango
Yeah
zenith mango
The only way this will be settled is when the doctor comes in
woven jewel
I'mma find a source on the Hanzo wiki rq
Or Genji
Or Kiriko even, I'd argue the fox is a spirit, too
woven jewel
depends on how you define magic
test
If by magic you mean supernatural, yeah
But I doubt the spirits are visible to everyone
Only its effects are felt
Would be similar to praying for someone and them benefitting from it
there was no fox in the cinematic I think
They felt the presence of it tho
The gates is the main thing yeah
Alright found confirmation that Hanzo and Genji's dragons are spirits
The in-game description for the achievement
ig spirits can be visible, ig it's kinda common in Anime
Blizz is prob working on a technicality but want to limit magic as much as possible
I wasn't here for initial discussion lol
hushed jetty
Alright found confirmation that Hanzo and Genji's dragons are spirits
to be fair thats just what they're called, doesnt necessarily mean theyre actual spirits
that said theyre definitely actual spirits bc like. kiriko exists and her spirit fox is the same thing
i do wish blizzard would actually just confirm wtf is up with the spirits
maybe when heroes ascendent comes out
limpid agate
The in-game description for the achievement
That's... That's the name of the ability
That's like saying this is proof that magic exists.
Or this
woven jewel
I see
So Zen's balls don't have discord servers loaded
Tbf I never really cared about the topic, but I don't see why they're not spirits
What's the alternative? I haven't heard of it
rare trail
there was a hardlight theory
woven jewel
I have never heard about that till they mentioned it a bit ago
Just looked it up, sounds interesting
rare trail
fr
sudden crystal
Ramattra follows the teachings of Mao
hushed jetty
ramattra really gets my goat bc he has such a good point but he's also insane
and a hypocrite (bro is LITERALLY anubis 2)
rare trail
yeah the stuff in toronto with the taking over omnics brains seems a lil out of character
i guess it doesnt hurt them though
like the omnics that have the purple stuff on their heads are fine
hushed jetty
"fine" is certainly a way to describe it
theyre certainly not Dead or Physically Injured
rare trail
idk ram probably has some way of just like taking it off
worthy rose
is there any overwatch hero who smokes pot?
worn latch
Lifeweaver
oak patio
zenyatta def hits that wisdom weed
oak patio
roadhog has his little vape lol
worn latch
peak escarp
canonically, no
oak patio
fr tho, probably pharah now that I really think about it. Probably not on a regular basis but has def tried it
spare fox
probably all the humans except maybe... sym and mei
sym is too perfect and by-the books, and mei is too "oh my gosh"
hushed jetty
wdym all 😭 i do not personally imagine mercy busting out the blunt
spare fox
I think yeah Angela, Fareeha and Illari are runners up because they're so rigid but
the possibility is there i guess
vapid tusk
Genji might have in his rebellious days
spare fox
I'd be very surprised if he didn't
woven jewel
Cassidy would never smoke tho/j
distant sparrow
yeah the stuff in toronto with the taking over omnics brains seems a lil out of ...
i saw it as him making sure they wouldn't get in the way of his army, and releasing them when toronto was conquered
but they were never released cause we won in toronto
spare stump
Who’s the strongest
rare trail
sigma orisa winston and orisa
based off stuff they've actually done winston orisa though
rare trail
why are you not counting sig
ruby ridge
We’ve never seen sigma in lore and we don’t know if half his abilities are actually canon
ruby ridge
Plus from code of violence it seems like he was just in the starting steps of being able to gravitate stuff
Symettra has a interaction where she said she can make a huge axe and like
rare trail
if youre going based of interactions sig has a ton
ruby ridge
I’m pretty sure vishkar said architects can make sky scrapers in seconds too
golden oak
same with symmetra
We saw almost all sym abilities in more
ruby ridge
Yeah that too
golden oak
Didn’t she also make a bridge out of hardlight
That’s what her tech is for so definitely
Possible
worldly oyster
Hum
rare trail
i dont think what she does in that comic alone would make her top 4
ruby ridge
But it’d not just that tho, we know she’s like the best in hardlight construct
And we know vishkar architects can make huge stuff in seconds for protection
And offensive
spare stump
based off stuff they've actually done winston orisa though
How’s kiriko
rare trail
idk illaris most offensive thing we've seen her do is explode
kiri is probably weaker than genji
uhhh maybe top 15?
spare stump
Shit
ruby ridge
I feel like illari and lifeweaver is really strong but we just haven’t seen them in lore yet
Junker queen, junkrst and rosdhog are on the lower spectrum
We don’t know if illari in lore can bring out her sun powers for like captive sun whenever she wants
I assume if she dies her body just does a huge explosion or something
Also I wonder if illari can use her powers during nighttime
rare trail
i feel like the only offensive thing shes done is like blow some people up one time
ruby ridge
From her origin story we saw that all the intimwarriors powers came from the gun
I imagine if she Dosent have her gun she’s just like
useless
spare fox
I know I'm kinda new here, but I think it'd be neat if there was a bot command for "who's the strongest" which would generate a random hero from the roster as an answer
fresh rock
Random?
spare fox
discussion afterwards optional
yeah because an argument could be made for just about anyone, some a stronger argument than others
steel cosmos
hammond stronger than doomfist
spare fox
idk if you really wanted to leave some heroes out, go for it
but it just gets asked a dozen times a day
if hammond wanted to he could create a mech that would instantly counter doomfist and disable the gauntlet, then he'd be a genius hamster with an unbeatable mech and doomfist's gauntlet
ruby ridge
I feel like we ignore that most heroes in the game can be killed rather easily
Like widowmaker can kill any of the humans, zen, probably Winston and Ramattra too
Maybe orisa
spare fox
I'm sure in lore Sombra could hack Orisa and just make her a pile of scrap metal standing there
ruby ridge
We can all say that lifeweaver can make a huge ass evil carnivorous plant that munches on his enemy
ruby ridge
I'm sure in lore Sombra could hack Orisa and just make her a pile of scrap metal...
Not too sure, I’m pretty sure in lore omnics/ai are extremely difficult to hack
Interaction with echo and sombra too
spare fox
yeah and Sombra isn't just any hacker, she's the best hacker in the world that knows everyone's secrets
and in the extended lore, the novels and comics, short stories, etc, hackers in the OW universe are a dime a dozen
it's basically the shoplifting of the future, but Sombra is THE BEST of them
I know the common ask is usually "without tech and weapons etc etc, who is the strongest?" but that's one of the appealing things about OW is that you don't have to be the strongest to be a hero and make a difference
knotty relic
idk if this is the right channel but does orisa count as good?
I mean she did fight doomfist who is in talon
worn latch
We can all say that lifeweaver can make a huge ass evil carnivorous plant that m...
I love lifeweaver
knotty relic
Orisa won against doom
shouldn't that make her good then
worn latch
Not too sure, I’m pretty sure in lore omnics/ai are extremely difficult to hack
At least some of them have built in security systems that make it so you cant
Not sure what they're called
knotty relic
but she isn't in overwatch right?
ruby ridge
But I don’t think this means that she is stronger in terms of everything but that’s because Orisa is literally made to be the doom counter
ruby ridge
but she isn't in overwatch right?
Nope
knotty relic
I still barely know what people are in talon, what people are in overwatch and who is on their own 😭
spare fox
at the end of Orisa's novel it's strongly implied that Efi and Orisa are being recruited by OW for something
worn latch
https://discord.com/channels/94882524378968064/180471683759472640/10642363818592...
Do you know if there's an updated one with lifeweaver?
serene pasture
has the whole conflict with zen vs widow and sombra ended
like when they went to confront him
peak escarp
vapid tusk
Just place her alone and isolated from everything else
worthy rose
so
does hammond by any chance
like to be petted
by his teammates
so to say
👀
ruby ridge
does hammond by any chance
!!loreonly
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rare trail
I’m pretty sure@the person above kiri here is her mom
bleak shell
It is her mother, Asa Yamagami. Blue lines in the graph say family.
ruby ridge
I’ve always wondered who this dude is
peak escarp
we don't know yet
golden oak
Probably one of those less known agents that showed up when Winston did the recall
merry token
I honestly find it really cute that you put efi+orisa and Ashe+bob with the family line
peak escarp
family is more than just blood relations
worthy rose
family is more than just blood relations
My Dog agrees
subtle pasture
I’ve always wondered who this dude is
looks like male zarya
spare fox
I remember waaayyyy back right before we got Brig, we got some teasers, one of which mentioned a mission and an unimportant character named Emre was mentioned in passing.
Every friggin youtube video used for a title image that guy, circled in red with arrows pointing at him with "EMRE???"
for the longest time everyone just assumed that that was Emre (it's very likely not)
actually I think Chu confirmed it wasn't Emre iirc
twilit patrol
!!loreonly @steel hedge
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worthy rose
I’ve always wondered who this dude is
that dude is me
distant sparrow
I love lifeweaver
im sorry for you
please, consider therapy and a possible lobotomy if this crippling disability continues
fresh rock
That's not lore.
distant sparrow
my sincere apologies
worthy rose
I feel like im crazy but i think widow is overcoming her mind control lol
based on her voicelines
peak escarp
she's not being mind controlled
worthy rose
well her brain washing
rare trail
shes at talon by choice
peak escarp
she's not brainwashed either
worthy rose
shes at talon by choice
no she isnt?
worthy rose
dude she was kidnapped was she not?
worthy rose
check her bio
where
lavish vessel
And was kidnapped but returned willingly
peak escarp
With few other options left, Amélie returned to Talon, chasing the high that had both thrilled and terrified her. At her behest, she was given extensive training in the covert arts and agreed to participate in an experimental marksman program.
lavish vessel
```With few other options left, Amélie returned to Talon, chasing the high that ...
Btw where is this from?? I wanna read the whole thing
worthy rose
```With few other options left, Amélie returned to Talon, chasing the high that ...
exactly what i was gonna adk
lavish vessel
Oh thx
worthy rose
After several unsuccessful attempts to eliminate Gérard, Talon decided to change its focus to his wife. In the dead of night, Talon operatives kidnapped Amélie and subjected her to an intense program of neural reconditioning, in effect creating a sleeper agent. Gerard devoted Overwatch’s every resource to recovering his bride, and it wasn’t long before the operation produced results. His agents saved Amélie, and a medical and psychological evaluation after the kidnapping found her to be apparently no worse for wear. Their official assessment proved fatally inaccurate two weeks later . . . when they discovered she had killed Gérard in his sleep.
neural reconditioning
moira literally brainwashed her
peak escarp
Moira didn't do that
also that was just to turn her into a sleeper agent
after killing Gerard, she returned to Talon on her own
worthy rose
Moira: You've been distant, Lacroix.
Widowmaker: By your design.
Moira: Pondering anything unusual? Dangerous?
Widowmaker: No. Never.
she brainwashed her
peak escarp
Talon’s geneticist, Moira O’Deorain, altered Amélie’s physiology to improve her aim, drastically slowing her heart, which turned her skin cold and blue, and numbed her ability to experience human emotion. It dulled the pain of what she’d done, while heightening the charge she felt on the hunt.
worthy rose
by her design
peak escarp
Moira altered her biology to make her a better sniper
she was not responsible for the neural reconditioning
worthy rose
dulling her human emotion
rare trail
Moira O’Deorain, altered Amélie’s physiology to improve her aim, drastically slowing her heart, which turned her skin cold and blue, and numbed her ability to experience human emotion.
peak escarp
Moira is a geneticist, not a hypnotist
rare trail
moira only did stuff to widow after widow chose to come back
moira wouldnt have been in talon yet
when widow was kidnapped originally
worthy rose
can you guys look at this
Talon decided to change its focus to his wife. In the dead of night, Talon operatives kidnapped Amélie and subjected her to an intense program of neural reconditioning, in effect creating a sleeper agent. Gerard devoted Overwatch’s every resource to recovering his bride, and it wasn’t long before the operation produced results.
PLEASE
rare trail
what about it
worthy rose
she is literally reconditioned
rare trail
ok
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
NEurologically
peak escarp
nothing there says Moira did it
worthy rose
nothing there says Moira did it
that wasnt my main point
peak escarp
Moira is not a neurologist
worthy rose
its that you said she wasnt brainwashed
ruby ridge
moira wouldnt have been in talon yet
This reminds me of the theory where Moira was a double agent in black watch and talon
worthy rose
not for her returning to Talon
if before she was a normal person and was conditioned neurologically to be a psychopath and then killed her husband then has nothing left to do with her life now since she has no one and is crazy
Why wouldnt she go back to talon
ruby ridge
I feel like talon was keeping tabs on the overwatch headquarters and since doomfist already met reaper they went there to go and retrieve his body like really quickly?
peak escarp
Why wouldnt she go back to talon
exactly
she had a good reason to go back to Talon, but it was still ostensibly her choice to go back
peak escarp
she never lost her senses in the first place
worthy rose
she never lost her senses in the first place
bruh i think her mind may be going back to normal
worthy rose
maybe she's not as numb as she was before
thats my point
you can literally hear it in her voicelines
rare trail
idk she always had some emotion
worthy rose
the way she acts in the comics
rare trail
like she visisted gerards grave
worthy rose
why would she go to a grave of her husband
rare trail
because she still has emotions
peak escarp
because she remembers the good times
worthy rose
because she still has emotions
it just said it nullified her ability to have emotions
worthy rose
numbed
rare trail
but not gone
worthy rose
sure
peak escarp
she can still remember what it feels like to love him
worthy rose
ok
Widowmaker: Our foes make such a nuisance of themselves.
Moira: Is that an emotion I detect, Lacroix?
thats a voiceline
moira is acting as if she has no emotions
all of their 2 voicelines together its moira checking up on widow like she some experiment where she is getting rid of widows emotions
shes*
worn latch
im sorry for you
☝️🤓
distant sparrow
why are you pointing at your own name
worn latch
Ok buddy
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
are you a mod?
worthy rose
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031319998569918464/1157790931114803282/1...
whys it so choppy..
vapid tusk
Why does the lore channel face so much shit
golden oak
fuck wrong link
Wrong channel too
worthy rose
Who would be better at arcade games, D.Va or Echo?
dva
also idk why but i feel like widow would be good at video games
and cassidy
golden oak
Who would be better at arcade games, D.Va or Echo?
Pretty sure echo didn’t have much experience with games or even gamers so I’d say dva
golden oak
Yes, I think it was even stated that she’s so talented at using hard light tech because her moves are dance-like
Because you gotta do some hand movement in order to create something with hard light I guess
golden oak
They use special prosthetics or gloves so you can create something with hard light
And also other equipment like photon projector
steel cosmos
does lifeweaver use hardlight for his pedal/grasp
peak escarp
yes
golden oak
He was a Vishkar student
spare fox
well biolight but idk how diff that is from hard light
golden oak
It’s alive apparently
spare fox
carbon-based light lol
worn latch
well *bio*light but idk how diff that is from hard light
I assume he uses both?
Or at least he can manipulate biolight to act more like hardlight
golden oak
He can definitely use both, biolight is just his invention and that’s why he uses it in game
Because it’s just something new
fallen sigil
merry token
Who would be better at arcade games, D.Va or Echo?
I feel like genji (in his prime video game era) vs dva would be a better question
spare fox
Probably. Maybe Hardlight™️ is specifically Vishkar property but biolight is LW's but vishkar is doing that thing that companies do where anything you make while working for them is contractually theirs
merry token
We’re going to ignore how I wrote genji twice ☠️
golden oak
Probably. Maybe Hardlight™️ is specifically Vishkar property but biolight is LW'...
That’s how it is
spare fox
Yeah
worn latch
Probably. Maybe Hardlight™️ is specifically Vishkar property but biolight is LW'...
Yeah lw is wanted because Vishkar is claiming biolight as theirs
That's canon
golden oak
Mercy says biolight has agricultural potential, does that mean you could create edible biolight
golden oak
What if parting gift was like a biolight fruit/flower that healed you
worn latch
Is that not what it is?
golden oak
In game yes
In lore I guess you’d have to eat them or something but idk
Mercy can heal people just by touching them while she wears her suit
Can you actually feed people with biolight creations tho
And would it be like nutritious enough or like not really
worn latch
Yeah ⁉️😭
You can stand on hardlight too
It's called hardlight
Hard
But I'm just wondering how you can eat it
Like
It's not because of it's consistency
Just because it's not really something that should be edible. Maybe I just don't understand biolight enough 😓😓
(I'm failing biology)
merry token
Just because it's not really something that should be edible. Maybe I just don't...
Do you think it would just go through you
Like gum
golden oak
Weird how mercy is the only person who calls Sigma by his first name
golden oak
He calls her doctor
And he’s older than her
But tbf sigma is really laidback so he could say “just call me siebren” or something
vapid tusk
I wonder why there’s no one called Delta or Omega
worthy rose
I wonder why there’s no one called Delta or Omega
why no alpha
opaque hemlock
I just love how all of talon calls sigma doctor
vapid tusk
why no alpha
bc alpha is overrated
worthy rose
I just love how all of talon calls sigma doctor
what does widow call him
opaque hemlock
i dont think she has any interactions with him
hushed jetty
they have interactions but i dont think she calls him anything
ruby ridge
I assume he uses both?
Nono
They confirmed in the dev thing on how they created lifeweaver that even his thorns are bbioligjt
Bio light
golden oak
I just love how all of talon calls sigma doctor
No? Moira calls him dr de kuiper, sombra calls him viejito, reaper calls him old man
opaque hemlock
Moira calls him doctor most of the time reaper calls him only doctor
Sombra is the exception
ruby ridge
Pretty sure all his kit if bioligjt
I think the platform being touch sensitive and having little flames is also somehow unique bioligjt traits
golden oak
Moira calls him doctor most of the time reaper calls him only doctor
He has a line “this time stay focused old man”
golden oak
I think the platform being touch sensitive and having little flames is also some...
Plus it’s deployed as a seed that turns into a flower once it touches ground
ruby ridge
Yeah
golden oak
worthy rose
It pretty
golden oak
Why does his hand got cracks
worthy rose
I think he has robo parts like Sym
golden oak
Yeah but I thought only the hand he’s healing and damaging with
worthy rose
It looks like one is meant for healing and damaging, and the other is meant for lifegrip and platform
Whatever is fueling both is in both. Ig kinda like Moira hands in a way?
twilit vortex
Rah what’s actually the beef between Hanzo and genji
worthy rose
Rah what’s actually the beef between Hanzo and genji
You should watch the cinematic it's pretty good
worthy rose
Oooh I thought it was just that tbh cuz like.... A brother killing a brother just because he was told to is crazy.
Genji was mad about it at first but I think that's where Zen comes in and he was able to come to terms with himself. I think Hanzo feels bad about the whole thing but hasn't gotten over it. I could be wrong. I don't pay attention to lore a lot but I sometimes pay attention to voice lines.
worthy rose
Hanzo nearly did kill him. If Mercy hadn't gotten to him, he'd probably be dead. She managed to help him n shit and that's why he has robot parts. She badass doctor lady.
golden oak
Overwatch offered him prosthetics if he helped take down shimadas
worthy rose
Yeah we pewpew the shimadas on sight
ruby ridge
Why does his hand got cracks
I feel like almost everyone in the ow universe has body enhancements
Kinda like cyberpunk
It’s just very common
golden oak
Well this is a sci fi game after all
stuck stump
Have any good characters killed humans before
twilit patrol
Widowmaker too
golden oak
“Good”
fleet pewter
Widowmaker was good, but then Talon got their hands on her
fleet pewter
golden oak
Didn’t all her assassination attempts failed except mondatta?
golden oak
Or did she shot someone in masquerade, I’m not sure
fleet pewter
I dunno
What was the thing that Winton made for Tracer to stop her from moving in time?
stuck stump
Chronal accelerator
fleet pewter
Thank you!
stuck stump
cedar granite
Where do you guys speculate zen orginated from?
opaque tundra
Somewhere near the shore probably
drifting epoch
A factory
cedar granite
@opaque tundra Why the shore?
opaque tundra
He has spawn voice lines where he mentions being born near the ocean
drifting epoch
I remember waaayyyy back right before we got Brig, we got some teasers, one of w...
I know this is an old text but there's a whole subreddit dedicated to this guy https://reddit.com/r/EmreMains/s/VrEpYBynN7
worthy rose
Where do you guys speculate zen orginated from?
A mid discord
empty crescent
Emre in that overwatch photo also looks like that spike hair dude guy from the recall winston video.
I think he was supposed to be a hero but was scrapped
golden oak
Somewhere near the shore probably
Theres an omnium in East China Sea
golden oak
Btw is Gwishin with null sector or are they their own thing
Cuz like, Anubis and crisis have been dealt with right
Also the omnics attacking russia
twilit patrol
I don't think Gwishin is with Null sector
true roost
lf player to 1v1 just for fun and to get better silver/bronze/gold
steel cosmos
this is lore my guy
golden oak
I don't think Gwishin is with Null sector
Where did they come from then
twilit patrol
golden oak
Did they just come up with random rogue omnic group just so dva and zarya have some threat to fight?
pastel dirge
Pharah made reinhardt wear pink (spark) cuz hes her stepdad
rare trail
what?
pastel dirge
Anahardt lil bro
steel cosmos
isnt today ashes birthday
merry mason
Did they just come up with random rogue omnic group just so dva and zarya have s...
Gwishin was a thing before null sector was so there wasn’t a single “bad guy omnic” group then.
steel cosmos
tomorrow is syms
woven jewel
My two ex-mains back-to-back
distant sparrow
is junker queen the most racist
rapid vapor
What…
digital forum
is junker queen the most racist
well she does dream about killing omnics daily sooo
And of course slaughter feral omnics daily
woven jewel
She feels comfortable sharing it with Bastion so maybe she's trying
But then again in-game interactions aren't canon
lavish vessel
is junker queen the most racist
Probably, the junkers despise omnics
U can see on junker queens clothing that she has like omnic parts all over her
fresh rock
Sweet! That definitely confirms something.
worn latch
I'd take the best nap of my life there bro
But I'm actually so excited for Mauga
Was he in baps short story?
I haven't read it yet
peak escarp
Sweet! That definitely confirms something.
confirms that Mauga is Samoan
peak escarp
Was he in baps short story?
yes
worn latch
OOO I gotta read it now
keen summit
It makes mauga more likely for sure
fresh rock
confirms that Mauga is Samoan
I suppose so.
vapid tusk
imagine if it's just mauga's friend or something
worn latch
Don't even say that bro 😭😭
vapid tusk
yk what now im hoping that happens so i can laugh while others cry
peak escarp
it would be hilarious
tough sleet
no
worn latch
No
fresh rock
it would be hilarious
It would hurt
So much
Yes, it would be funny
But I would never look at it the same.
peak escarp
makes no difference to me
keen summit
It would be funny, but painfull and dissapointing
past copper
Honestly, another phenomenal map
hallow shuttle
The volcano that made The Rock
past copper
Also, looks like Mauga might have voicelines for a certain soldier
Hint: the poster beside the door
past copper
Seems Mauga has a favorite person
quick grail
the art department keeps doing their job, the only division left
vapid tusk
Honestly, another phenomenal map
stable --> can be unstable --> radioactive --> mauga uses radiation?
let's wait and find out ig
keen summit
Also, looks like Mauga might have voicelines for a certain soldier
Yeah he probs cuz shes a weight lifter admires it a bit
Steengtg
keen summit
stable --> can be unstable --> radioactive --> mauga uses radiation?
I mean defo wouldnt be out of character, if he like throws mini nukes yknow as it would be ficking brutal
Or maybe cybernetics cuz temember explosives
keen summit
Honestly, another phenomenal map
I love how thd biggest psychopath has shark slippers
hushed jetty
and a stuffed turtle
merry mason
stable --> can be unstable --> radioactive --> mauga uses radiation?
No then it would have a radioactive ☢️ symbol not a biohazard ☣️ symbol
keen summit
eitherway
bio weapons do fit him
as yknow hes likely the most brutal of most people we know
keen summit
Honestly, another phenomenal map
but tbf it makes it even more likely now cuz mauga room was specifically drawn attention to
potent briar
i've waited four years to see Mauga become playable
worthy rose
Seems Mauga has a favorite person
Zarya for being world's strongest woman
Baptiste because Baptiste
And I presume the other talon members
gilded zinc
sigma has the most sad backtory imo
ruby ridge
I don’t think sigma is the saddest
How I slee knowing we’ll get a new talon hero
(Lore on talon finally)
lavish vessel
And hopefully we’ll get a lot more with the coming pve stuff
lavish vessel
Samoa
paper ocean
Is it old or new?
paper ocean
Ohh sweet!
twilit patrol
Reinhardt ?
hushed jetty
defo not illari
brotha illari killed an entire room of people on accident
golden oak
defo not illari
Bro what, her whole family and friends died because of an accident and she blames herself for it
golden oak
brotha illari killed an entire room of people on accident
Not just any people, those were her relatives
hushed jetty
yuh
all the children of the sun
idk if she killed the whole town or jusy the children of the sjn
golden oak
Just the people present at the ritual
hushed jetty
ah
golden oak
Balderich was a friend and mentor of Reinhardt (arguably you could say he viewed him as family but that’s a stretch)
And that’s just one person
golden oak
Possibly but we don’t know
spare fox
Balderich is just who we know bc he (Balderich) was originally recruited for original OW
Yeah we don't know but it's extremely plausible
gilded zinc
Bro what, her whole family and friends died because of an accident and she blame...
from what i remember it isn’t her fault, so logically right sigma has the most sad backstory
i can be wrong about illari’s story kinda forgot it
rare trail
she blames herself though iirc
lavish vessel
Yeah she does
golden oak
Ramattra tho
Being the one and only sentient generation of omnics, watching your Kind get murdered and hate crimed every day
And also being a ravager model which were soldier bots made by anubis, which a lot of people hate
rare trail
her bio talks about it "the guilt-stricken Illari"
yeah rams is pretty bad
same with zen
and i guess bastion too but he seems pretty unbothered
rare trail
oh yeah they mentioned that in reflections
lavish vessel
Ramattra tho
Being the one and only sentient generation of omnics, watching you...
I’d say Ramattra has the saddest backstory honestly, especially after reading his short story
golden oak
from what i remember it isn’t her fault, so logically right sigma has the most s...
Bro, all her relatives died and she blames herself for it
rare trail
at least sigma didnt kill anyone so he doesnt like feel guilty
golden oak
Being mentally unstable must be tough but it’s nowhere near of the pain Illari went through
rare trail
most heroes have a pretty bad backstory
bad in the sense of like traumatic not like poorly written
brigs is pretty happy though
golden oak
Besides Illari did something that was thought to be safe since all her relatives did it and were fine
Sigma was doing dangerous experiments and pushing boundaries
rare trail
yeah
golden oak
Yeah it’s tough what happened to him but he’s kinda just facing consequences of not being careful
rare trail
who has the least sad backstory?
tracer? brig?
bastion seems pretty happy too
but idk
golden oak
I’d say Orisa
rare trail
hmm maybe
golden oak
She was created recently
rare trail
she does kinda remember herself like dying so that would be kinda truamatic but she seems pretty unbothered
golden oak
And she’s really happy
rare trail
how long ago did jq become queen?
i saw something about it not making sense that junkrat was like an adult in the cinematic
golden oak
Brig and Lifeweaver also doesn’t have much sad in their past
rare trail
so then junkrat wouldve been 15?
golden oak
17
rare trail
hes 27?
worn latch
Brig and Lifeweaver also doesn’t have much sad in their past
Idk I think being hunted by one of the richest companies and being a wanted criminal for trying to save the world while also being cut off from his family is pretty upseting. Definitely not the saddest tho
golden oak
Idk I think being hunted by one of the richest companies and being a wanted crim...
He didn’t seem to like his family
worn latch
Probably because they forced him into Vishkar
But it still hurts to get cut off like that
golden oak
Maybe but he’s not the type of guy to be bothered much tbh
rare trail
his childhood doesnt seem super happy either
golden oak
He’s got that golden retriever energy
golden oak
I’d say lifeweaver’s story is still one of the least tragic ones
Plus he’s not that bothered by it either, like if sym had to leave vishkar, she’d be devastated
rare trail
yeah
worn latch
his childhood doesnt seem super happy either
He looked so sad in his flashback I doubt he had a good childhood.
distant sparrow
Idk I think being hunted by one of the richest companies and being a wanted crim...
good, common lifeweaver L
distant sparrow
lifeweaver is garbage
worn latch
Nobody cares bro
distant sparrow
i do
golden oak
He looked so sad in his flashback I doubt he had a good childhood.
Ok but like, he still has parents and they were rich on top of that
distant sparrow
clearly you do if you're arguing
worn latch
Skull emoji
rare trail
he didnt really like his parents
worn latch
Also his parents cut him off from their wealth when he left Vishkar
And rich parents doesn't mean a good childhood
distant sparrow
good
digital relic
And rich parents doesn't mean a good childhood
yeah just take ashe for example
distant sparrow
Holy fuck why r u obsessed
i just dislike this character immensely
merry token
I don’t get why people call lifeweaver a twink ☠️
worn latch
yeah just take ashe for example
Poor Ashe bruh
worn latch
i just dislike this character *immensely*
Go complain somewhere else ur taking up space here
worn latch
I don’t get why people call lifeweaver a twink ☠️
He's feminine so obviously he's a twink /j
golden oak
And rich parents doesn't mean a good childhood
Not saying that, just that they had enough for proper care and I’m sure they meant well for him (they wanted him to be an architech which is a really good job in overwatch)
merry token
The main issue was it wasn’t a path he wanted to take
Hence the voicelines about “growing into who you truly are” and him traveling and creating biolight
worn latch
I feel no shame
worn latch
Not saying that, just that they had enough for proper care and I’m sure they mea...
Even if their intentions were good they didn't go about it very well
Sorry my messages r taking so long to send I have 1 bar
golden oak
Yeah but that’s still like first world problems
worn latch
And I'm not arguing he has the saddest backstory but even "first world problems" can still be upsetting 😭😭
He's also a wanted criminal and currently on the run in 17 countries
The only place he's actually safe is the Arcology
golden oak
He's also a wanted criminal and currently on the run in 17 countries
“Oh no, I can’t travel” is still a first world problem
Besides it’s a white collar crime
worn latch
"oh no I can't travel or else I'll get literally captured and turned in to Vishkar"