lore-discussion

[hushed jetty]

in bap's short story iirc he has two miniguns and a shield that can reflect projectiles

thats aboit all we've got, but they could easily change those

only thing id bet on is the dual miniguns, personally

[worn latch]

I know I'm probably so late but my friend sent me this a while ago and i wanted to know if it was legit

They wouldn't tell me where they got it 💔💔

Also I was guessing that the mystery people are
Kiriko, lifeweaver and ?sombra?

[spare fox]

I believe it's on the Amazon page for Heroes Ascendent

That's the description of the short stories in that anthology

[worn latch]

GAHH

[rare trail]

yes

theres probably gonna be 8 stories in it

[worn latch]

Oh I didn't even see the cover

Guys I'm so smart I guessed that all on my own

GAHHH IM SO EXCITED FOR THE LIFEWEAVER SHORT STORY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

[peak escarp]

that cover art looks so anime

[worn latch]

I actually really like the style

[fresh rock]

It's like RWBY.

Especially that shot of 76.

[spare fox]

I wonder if theyre all illustrated by the same artist

It's 256 pages according to Amazon,
Subtract maybe 20 off that for front and end matter
236/8 stories is 29.5 pages per story

Even if each story has a title page and an end buffer page before the next story, those are pretty beefy stories

[worn latch]

GAHHH

29 pages of lifeweaver content

I'm so normal

[brazen tendon]

wait WHAT

im hopping in this convo, i crave lore speak

[glossy idol]

no ur not

[worn latch]

SHUR UP DANI

[glossy idol]

erm

[worn latch]

Anyways...

I was thinking about the little discussion about if lifeweavers parents are in Vishkar

And then I REALIZED

Both of their left arms (which are the arms that Vishkar employees use)

Are just like conveniently hidden?

I was wondering if that was on purpose

Or if it's just a design choice

[celest dirge]

its likely intentional

or blizzard is just being lazy again

and didnt feel like doing the second arm

[worn latch]

I wouldn't. Even be surprised

[celest dirge]

LMAO

[brazen tendon]

lifeweaver looks so sad :(

[worn latch]

I mean he was basically forced into Vishkar and then got his arm cut off

I think I would be sad too

[brazen tendon]

i mean duh but i just never noticed that

[celest dirge]

tell lifeweaver's mom to hmu

[worn latch]

I'm blocking you

[brazen tendon]

LMAO

[celest dirge]

[worn latch]

Shut up Evan I hope you die

Anywahs

[brazen tendon]

u take his mom, i take his dad 😼

[celest dirge]

20 shaboingboings

[worn latch]

LEAVE HIS DAD ALONE. HE'S SO FUCKING UGLY

OH MY GODDDD

[brazen tendon]

BWHAHWHA

[worn latch]

He looks like Ken from toy story

[brazen tendon]

HELP

[fresh rock]

Woah fellas, calm down now.

Get back to the lore.

[worn latch]

Sorry I got a little carried away

😞😞

[brazen tendon]

[worn latch]

Anyways back to this

I don't think they're actively apart of Vishkar

I think they have strong connections at least

[brazen tendon]

im sure they were apart of it at some point

[worn latch]

Maybe we'll find out in the short stories

[celest dirge]

his family is wealthy they probably fund it

[worn latch]

Yes that's what I was thinking

[brazen tendon]

🤷

[worn latch]

I have my doubts about them being apart of Vishkar because of how long it took Before they finally sent lifeweaver to Vishkar

Because I would've thought that Vishkar would've been their first option if they worked there

Idk

I overthink these things

I like lifeweaver

[glossy idol]

i dom’t 😡😡😡 /j

[worn latch]

Eats you alive

[glossy idol]

rahhh the flower boy

[worn latch]

I luv flower boy

[celest dirge]

flower boy

[brazen tendon]

yeah ur prolly right on that

[celest dirge]

omg

[glossy idol]

i love pharah

[celest dirge]

u should tell us theories for the upcoming shortstories

[glossy idol]

[brazen tendon]

YES

[celest dirge]

or specifically the lw sym one

[worn latch]

Holy guacamole

Don't even get me started man

[celest dirge]

nahhhh cmon

[glossy idol]

gets you starte

[celest dirge]

tell me

[worn latch]

GAHHH

Okay

[brazen tendon]

go off

[glossy idol]

[worn latch]

Let me get my paragraph

[celest dirge]

oh shit

me waiting

[worn latch]

Whatever I can't find it

Anyways

I've actually been less thinking about what's going on and more excited for any crumb of lifeweaver

Buttt

Shit man

[glossy idol]

this is not normal seek help

[worn latch]

I can't think of anything

[glossy idol]

[worn latch]

I HATE YOU

[glossy idol]

NO U DONT 😡

[worn latch]

Blocked

[glossy idol]

ugh

u wojld never

i still have u in my discord as 5 yr old

[brazen tendon]

i think its odd they say retrieve, maybe flower boy's in trouble and sym has to try to get him out of whatever situation?

cuz i mean knowing hes wanted and such

[celest dirge]

u still havent told us ur theories

unless im like

tripping

@worn latch

[worn latch]

😞

I don't have any

Sigg

I'm not a fake fan

[celest dirge]

aw

[glossy idol]

realest fan eva

[worn latch]

WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION☹️☹️☹️

That one singular sentence doesn't spark my creative muscles

[glossy idol]

Lifeweaver marries nico in the lore and its canon now i think

[celest dirge]

its crazy how lifeweaver is new but we get more lore abt him than zen

[worn latch]

This is true

[glossy idol]

me thinks

[worn latch]

I've been thinking mainly about his childhood tbh

[celest dirge]

zen lore when

i hope they expand on zen's relationship w ram as brothers

[worn latch]

I don't think zen will ever get confirmed backstory

It would take away from his mystery

[celest dirge]

yeah but

it also feels lazy

LMAO

i know i keep saying that abt blizzard

[worn latch]

Yeah that's understandable

That's because blizzard is lazy

[celest dirge]

i just want them to talk abt ram and his brothers more

[glossy idol]

experience mystery

[worn latch]

Understandable

[celest dirge]

the brothers ever omg

[worn latch]

Ram and zen lore when

[celest dirge]

zenyatta bullied ts out of ram in the monestary definitely

[brazen tendon]

real

[glossy idol]

zen and i are canon guys

[worn latch]

😭😭

[celest dirge]

so true

[worn latch]

Eats you alive

[glossy idol]

i got 3 hoes

pharah, zen, and genji

[celest dirge]

fight to the death

[worn latch]

I do want to know more about how Ram and Zen even got into the monnestary

[celest dirge]

i'll take ram thx

[celest dirge]

ram found zen first

[worn latch]

I don't know how to spell that

I'm sorru

[worn latch]

Oh fr?

[celest dirge]

ram was in the monastery before zen

[glossy idol]

monastery

[celest dirge]

and ram found zen and was like "wanna join my emo band"

and zen was like "lmao yeah sure"

[glossy idol]

My chemical overwatch

[worn latch]

LMAO

[celest dirge]

and then they became brothers

[worn latch]

I didn't even know that

[glossy idol]

system of a monk

[worn latch]

It's cuz I don't care about ram enough to look

[celest dirge]

LMAOOOOO

[worn latch]

He's gay

I hope he dies

[celest dirge]

for me

[worn latch]

Holy.moly

[celest dirge]

holy moly

[glossy idol]

i wish i was this car

[worn latch]

Ugghh

[glossy idol]

CAT

i said chat 💬

[worn latch]

I'm pretty sure the Sombra and Soldier mini story has something to do with reaper

[celest dirge]

no ramattra short story im so sad

but we get null sector

so uh

probably a mention

[worn latch]

Im excited for hanzos dad

[glossy idol]

basically so i’m blizzard and here’s how this goes

[worn latch]

Okay

[glossy idol]

reaper and soldier are gay

[worn latch]

WHAT

😨😨😨

Omg...

[glossy idol]

confirmed bu blizzard (me)

[brazen tendon]

me after ram pve cutscene

[worn latch]

Blizzard make lifeweaver kiss me in canon

[glossy idol]

yes nico bico

[celest dirge]

so true

[celest dirge]

no wayyyyy

[worn latch]

Ok guys let's talk about lifeweaver instead

[celest dirge]

no lets talk abt ram

[brazen tendon]

i agree!

[glossy idol]

can we talk about pharah

[worn latch]

Shut up evan

[celest dirge]

[worn latch]

Yes we can talk about pharah

[pale mountain]

OMG I FOUND IT

[celest dirge]

ur a hater!!!

[worn latch]

HI KENJI

[pale mountain]

HI

[glossy idol]

Hi goody

foofy

[worn latch]

Anyways

[celest dirge]

AAAAAAAAAAA

[glossy idol]

goody

Goofy

[worn latch]

Let's talk about lore

Or we'll get banned

[celest dirge]

oh yeah

[pale mountain]

reaper

[glossy idol]

okay true

[celest dirge]

someone on reddit said that

[glossy idol]

i think pharah’s lore is actually so sad

[celest dirge]

ram mightve orchestrated the assassination of mondatta

[glossy idol]

it hurts

so much

[worn latch]

Fr 😭😭

What happened to pharahs dad??

[pale mountain]

no wat

[glossy idol]

her relationship with ana is so constrained and sad

[brazen tendon]

wait what?

[worn latch]

I saw that theory omg

[celest dirge]

bro its like

[pale mountain]

i dont think he would

[glossy idol]

i think (bc of a voice line) ana faked her death

[celest dirge]

its plausible but its not??

[pale mountain]

eh

[worn latch]

Yes that happened

That's canon

[celest dirge]

yeah pharah's dad went to get the milk or something

[glossy idol]

ye

[worn latch]

Did u read the comics

[glossy idol]

no i didnt waaaa

cries

[worn latch]

Her and anas short story?

It's on the official website

[glossy idol]

oh the short story ya

[worn latch]

For free

Actually it's comica

I lied

[celest dirge]

at least pharah can have rein as a dad

probably

[worn latch]

Anaheartd so true

[glossy idol]

ana x me guys i pull the whole family

[celest dirge]

peak

[glossy idol]

[brazen tendon]

lmao

[worn latch]

Okay pal

[glossy idol]

i got two phones

[celest dirge]

i hope we get a short story with just ram and zen and mondatta being brothers

bullying each other

mondatta is probably

50

[worn latch]

Blizzard is too evil

[brazen tendon]

old man

[worn latch]

They won't ever let ram be happy

[celest dirge]

i will

when we get married

[glossy idol]

my father is older

[worn latch]

Whatever you say buddy

I have to watch what I say in here because they keep removing my messages

[celest dirge]

ramattra and i are gonna get married and we're gonna move away to somewhere nice

[worn latch]

Shut up Evan

[celest dirge]

do not talk to me with that status

[worn latch]

☹️

[worn latch]

Who wants to hear me rant about lifeweavers prosthetic

[celest dirge]

go ahead

[pale mountain]

ok

[worn latch]

Okay let me pull out the picture

So in the summer games spray he has NO prosthetic which really threw me off

Because when you look at all the other characters

They have their prosthetics

So I was wondering if he didn't even have a prosthetic and it was just a sleeve?

[brazen tendon]

lifeweaver good ending

[worn latch]

But I was looking at it and I doubt Vishkar would give him the choice

It's all about uniformity and allat

So they all have to be exactly the same

And if Satya has a prosthetic then I bet everyone else does too

[celest dirge]

i think

correct me if im wrong

[worn latch]

Hm

[celest dirge]

that satya or someone else said that they gave up their arm to be in vishkar or whatever

i think its safe to assume its a requirement

[worn latch]

Oh?

Yeah yeah

Im like 80% sure it's required

[brazen tendon]

i think i remember hearing that somewhere

[worn latch]

And since Niran was basically forced into Vishkar I doubt he did it willingly

And he was so young too

Cries

[celest dirge]

idk if it was u who said this or someone else but the prosthetics seem to be what give them the ability to "manipulate" the tech

[worn latch]

Yes

They use the glove or whatveer it is to harness hardlight

And that got me thinking about how in his origin it seemed to look like a prosthetic

But ingame it looks more like a gaunlet?

So either it's just blizzard sucking or

[celest dirge]

its blizzard so yeah

[brazen tendon]

is his other arm prosthetic too? cuz on the skin it looks like theres some tech parts to it, but idk

[worn latch]

Maybe he purposely made it look less like anything Vishkar would've made him wear

[brazen tendon]

mainly on his hand

[worn latch]

No?

He just has enhancements

He has them all over his body

On his chest, legs and his head

[brazen tendon]

just wondering

[worn latch]

Yeah it is kind of interesting to look at tho

I doubt it's a prosthetic and more like what sombra has on her back

[brazen tendon]

ohhh gotcha

i was always confused on that part about him, made me think for a while how much of him was manipulated and changed

cuz i mean even on his legs he has modifications but thats prolly how he dashes

🤷

[worn latch]

Yeah

And his petals

Those are connected to a backpack thing tho

I think that he got more modifications in a way to sort of

Like

Break away from Vishkar?

I don't know if that makes sense

[merry token]

It’s honestly even more confusing considering they gave him a spray where he has both flesh hands showing

[brazen tendon]

yeah bcuz he did a shit ton of stuff by himself huh

[worn latch]

YEAH I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT

[brazen tendon]

no it does

[worn latch]

He literally created a living light

I love my scientist boyfriend

[brazen tendon]

whens the wedding

[worn latch]

Next month

[merry token]

The way it could simply just be whoever made the sticker forgetting/not knowing lifeweaver has a prosthetic ☠️

[brazen tendon]

lifeweaver is a woman in stem

[worn latch]

That's what I personally think

They screw up too much tbh

It wouldn't be out of character

[worn latch]

So real

My wife

[glossy idol]

i love ur pfp

[merry token]

Tanks

[worn latch]

Deadlock my beloved

[merry token]

I love her more and I will leave it at that

[worn latch]

I believe you

[peak escarp]

they don't screw up that much

a lot of it is people mistaking fanon for canon

[worn latch]

I wouldn't hold it against them tbh

I'm not sure

I bet it's a prosthetic

I think it would honestly be kind of strange if it wasn't

[thin thistle]

What about the gouge marks all over his skin why hasn't anyone mentioned that yet how do you think he would have gotten those.

[worn latch]

?

Wdym

Bro pls tell me what u mean 😭😭 I actually have 0 idea

I'm losing my mind over this

[pale mountain]

huh since when did he have marks

[worn latch]

I DINT KNOWWW

[grand wedge]

Who are you talking about?

[worn latch]

Lifeweaver

Methinks

[twilit patrol]

What

[copper spire]

HIÌ

[twilit patrol]

Hi

[merry token]

Are you talking about the cybernetics(?) on his legs???

[worn latch]

That's what I was thinking?

I'm super confused

[twilit patrol]

Oh yes I don't know how he has gotten those legs

[woven jewel]

I always thought he never lost any limbs and those were just devices to ease the use of biolight

[grand wedge]

There are augmentation and some cybernetics that are not whole limbs

(Like Sombra)

[worn latch]

That's what we were just talking about

I'm not sure if it's a prosthetic or not

I'm about 80% sure it is

Because sym has a prosthetic and I doubt they'd give them the option to keep their arm or not

Who knows tho

I'm just guessing

[rare trail]

its probably a prosthetic

especially with like the finger joints

[worn latch]

If you look in game it looks just like a gauntlet

But if you go to his origin and look at the prosthetic he was wearing then

It looks like a real prosthetic

I was thinking that he purposely made it look like the exact opposite of Vishkar's given prosthetic

[worthy rose]

so I talked with a friend in terms of how Reaper would be against characters in lore.

does this seem accurate?

and made this because why not

[vapid tusk]

I think in terms of skill alone, Reyes and Morrison would be kinda equal (cuz same program) but Morrison's memories and emotions would hold him back

[limpid agate]

Winston is stronger than Doomfist

[worthy rose]

What no

[limpid agate]

Aside from that the order is accurate

[worthy rose]

Reaper sort of

got him

under circumstances

[limpid agate]

Winston punched out the Doomfist Gauntlet

Barehanded

[worthy rose]

Ah

[limpid agate]

Winston is stronger

[worthy rose]

Wtf

How the fuck can a gorilla fight doomfist

[limpid agate]

!!loreorigin

[vapid tusk]

genetically enhanced

[twilit nacelle]

ORIGIN TRAILERS:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Echo: https://bit.ly/2IYIwRq
Sojourn: https://bit.ly/3KH4lmY
Junkerqueen: https://bit.ly/3tKMPrA
Kiriko: https://bit.ly/3qTLZXv
Ramattra: https://bit.ly/3U5M47C
Lifeweaver: https://bit.ly/3A3f4Et

For Cinematic Shorts, use !!loreShorts
For other videos, use !!loreVideos

[limpid agate]

Doomfist

Oh this wasnt updated

[vapid tusk]

winston is not an ordinary gorilla

also what do you think of my analysis @worthy rose

[worthy rose]

Reyes has the power of surprise and teleportation.

Morrison can't shoot him while he's in wraith form

because despite Morrison being emotional, there's other things that bring him down.

Reyes got alot stronger than Morrison with the experiment conducted on him by Moira

He himself was already a super soldier alongside Jack, but imagine probably doubling or tripling that strength

that could suggest how he was able to handle things with ease like:

• Winston's Primal Form

• Body being burned to a crisp by the alt fire

• Fighting large scale mechs triple his size and destroy then without a scratch

[dim cove]

Hello guys can I fined code for Ana sleep ?

[vapid tusk]

but morrison's not stupid enough to get too close

and he's a better strategist

like rock lee vs sasuke type battle lol

[vapid tusk]

???

[rare trail]

in old soldiers reaper would've won against soldier if ana werent tehre

[vapid tusk]

i tried to look up reaper vs soldier 76 and got a frickin rap video

[vapid tusk]

i haven't read the comic but didn't soldier sort of hesitate?

or in better terms was reluctant to go all out

[dull oasis]

have you seen the new comic, echo got that ushy gushy oil leakage ass

[lavish vessel]

Lmaoooo I love that one

[rare trail]

reaper caught soldier by surprise and wouldve killed him if not for ana

there isnt anything suggesting soldier was holding back

reaper is like a contender for 5th strongest in lore but soldier isnt

[vapid tusk]

ok fine i admit defeat

[ruby ridge]

I think symettra’s str9mger then both reaper Orisa doomfist and soldier

[twilit patrol]

That moment hurt

[rare trail]

probably reaper doomfist and soldier but idk about orisa

[merry token]

Wrong channel. YouTube should have it though

[past copper]

Looking forward to this new map

Don’t know if this confirms Mauga, but it do look like somewhere he would stay for vacation

[worn latch]

That looks so pretty omg

[past copper]

Blizzard always come with it when they make new maps

[merry token]

I love that Chu scoured Reddit and found the post talking about how the hangul on Busan’s shrine was done a bit oddly and fixed it

[twilit patrol]

Mauga

[worn latch]

GAHHHH I'm so excited for mauga

[quick grail]

Make a new push map, I'm so bored of the same three, one year already Jesus

[worn latch]

Make Atlantic Archology a map

[past copper]

I don’t think making a push map is simple. It takes time to figure out the best map to try it with

[golden oak]

Next hero will be tank so 99% it’s mauga

[golden oak]

I feel like blizzard realised push wasn’t liked so they didn’t make more push maps

After first season we didn’t get new push maps, instead we got shambali and then Antarctic, and then a new mode

Also, flashpoint maps probably took a lot of time to make since how big they are, I don’t see them making a new one soon

[fresh rock]

I assume the next map will be leaning towards Hybrid.

I like Hybrid :]

[twilit patrol]

I like Push

[hollow tinsel]

...

That's crazy

Atleast you don't like flashpoint

Right? 😳

[twilit patrol]

???

Flashpoint is very good

You don't know how to play in it that's all

[hollow tinsel]

😭😭😭😭

I hate flashpoint

I either always lose badly or win super easily

[vapid tusk]

Same but this isn’t lore

[hollow tinsel]

Yeah mb

Sorry

[vapid tusk]

I honestly think as good as Mauga or any new character added would be good, more lore for certain characters that don’t have much should be prioritized more lol

[fresh rock]

With Mauga lore comes Bap lore.

Just remember that.

[spare fox]

I wish that were the case historically with OW, and HOPEFULLY that might change but in OW1, we had a ton of heroes that were just -there- like Dva, Lucio, Zarya, Symmetra etc who had absolutely no connection to anyone or anything in the lore, maybe only slight tangents at best
Then along comes Ashe who gets featured in a whole cinematic and then gets a FULL NOVEL not too long after, or Baptiste who gets his own short story while Lucio and Zen got nothing even after being in the game from launch

[quick grail]

this game needs a lot more maps, bring back assault

[ivory parrot]

they are in season 7

[past copper]

It’s a control map

[keen summit]

I like flashpoint ngl.

[keen summit]

Zarya was still important cuz we knew more bout hatred to omnics and lucio and symmetra atleast connected to eachother

[keen summit]

I meab the plan is every unever season new map

[quick grail]

is not enough, the seasons get boring very quick, you play one week and you already experienced everything the season has to offer, one map is content you enjoy one day, season 5 didnt have a map, was the worst season ever

[worthy rose]

would Tracer make a good tank if she was fat asf

[past copper]

Hanzo: 40 - 25 = 15
Genji: 37 - 21 = 16
Kiriko: 21 - 5 = 16

[peak escarp]

I think your math is a little off

also why are you bringing this up again

[past copper]

I just see why people getting confused by this

[peak escarp]

clearly they have made a mistake somewhere

there's no point harping on it

[past copper]

The mistake being adding Kiriko to the hero roster with half baked lore

[peak escarp]

sure

you just have to be patient and wait for them to either correct the mistake or explain it

[lavish vessel]

They already fixed sojourns so I’m sure kirikos will be sorted out soon enough

[past copper]

I mean, if they had time to fix Sojourn’s age, how hard could it have been to fix Kiriko’s too?

You press a couple of numbers

[peak escarp]

well first they have to figure out what age she should be

she could be anywhere from 24 to 31

[limpid agate]

Sojourn's primary age problem was just her being a captain and a line about her sister having a kid

Kiriko's problems are much larger

[golden oak]

I really hope “fan favourite modes return” means archives missions since I really wanna play them

[charred dune]

why does reinhardt need a hammer if he uses his hammer

nervermind

.puerge 1 billion

[lavish vessel]

I really hope so, I don’t know what else it could even be tbh

[golden oak]

Archives are (I think) the only event modes that didn’t return and they were definitely fan favourites

[lavish vessel]

Yeah I’m pretty sure, I wonder if they’ll be updated. Like uprising might use the newer null sector bots mechanics.

Either way I can’t wait for their return hopefully

[spare fox]

Idk if it makes sense to use updated bots since it takes place in the past

[golden oak]

Yeah

[lavish vessel]

Yeah that’s a good point, probably will be the same then

[golden oak]

They have better bots now cuz they got talon funds

[mellow stratus]

They should put Archives for ever in the missions section

Free of course

[twilit patrol]

So true Idk why they don't bring back those

[mellow stratus]

When you go in the missions section, you have the 3 missions just on the left, they could put Archives just above.

[twilit patrol]

I agree

[rapid vapor]

I’m looking into widowmaker’s story and I’m wonder if there is anything we are missing or people are glossing over, due to me making a essay— I want to get every lore right. I have fandom wiki and some videos but that’s really it.

[fresh rock]

What are you struggling on?

[rapid vapor]

I mostly wanna see her life in a order, or Atleast something more about her past. I’m doing a kinda video essay so

[shadow marsh]

Unfortunately knowing Blizzard it is unlikely archives would be brought back. The reworked Orisa and Bastion would mess up the code in Uprising and not to mention Retribution Dialogues regarding McCree

[mellow stratus]

I don't think so

[shadow marsh]

They're not gonna bring Archives back

[mellow stratus]

Yeah but the reworked Orisa and Bastion wouldn't mess up the code

I don't see why

[lavish vessel]

Surely they could just reuse the old Orisa and bastion, just like how for valentines game mode Hanzo had scatter arrow

[mellow stratus]

And they could replace the dialogues in Retribution

They did it with story missions

[golden oak]

They have old mechanics still in there somewhere

[peak escarp]

that dialogue was already removed when Archives ran in 2022

and like others said, they could just use the old versions of the heroes as enemy units

[rain shoal]

im gonna be mad if they dont return

yes i played them to death and have almost every achievement but i wanna try them with the new heroes assuming they make them playable in the all heroes versions

[peak escarp]

my hope is that they get reworked and improved to fit the new game engine and expanded maps

[stiff zephyr]

I recall Stylosa saying that they were testing the Archives missions in the preview servers they run for content creators

... Don't think he was supposed to say that, lol

I can imagine them adding them back as a free permanent missions to give players a taste of what PvE is like

So hopefully they'll buy into the next PvE drop

[peak escarp]

that would be nice

[rain shoal]

oh dear...

[rain shoal]

im kinda glad he said it though lol

[vapid tusk]

how much do you want to bet the collab is disney related

[peak escarp]

the collab was already leaked

[ruby ridge]

I did a list rq

Red: parents are confirmed dead
Yellow: Parents are probably dead
Blue: parents are confirmed alive

Anything I should change??

[vapid tusk]

well i didn't look at the leaks nor was i interested in them

so it was purely a guess
are you proud

[peak escarp]

Symmetra's parents aren't confirmed dead

[ruby ridge]

Anything else??

[peak escarp]

why is Brig yellow

[ruby ridge]

Oops

@lemme fix that

[vapid tusk]

i said are you proud doctor

[ruby ridge]

Lifeweaver parents are alive

[peak escarp]

of what?

[ruby ridge]

Do we know about kiriko’s dad?.

[peak escarp]

he's alive

[vapid tusk]

me guessing Disney collab without knowing about the leaks

[peak escarp]

why would I be proud of that?

[ruby ridge]

Do we know anything about tracers parents

[vapid tusk]

you're mean

[vapid tusk]

wasn't kiriko's dad kidnapped by the hashimotos

or was that someone else

[peak escarp]

I think she mentioned her dad in London Calling

[peak escarp]

I would be impressed... if you were right

Winston, Ramattra and Echo should be red - their parent figure/creators are dead

[ruby ridge]

Alright

[peak escarp]

Orisa should be blue

[ruby ridge]

Zen too?

[vapid tusk]

when the season's released and i am right, im going to come back to this channel to show my triumph

[vapid tusk]

who are winstons and ram's parent figure

[ruby ridge]

Winston is Harold

The scientist

[peak escarp]

Harold Winston and Anubis

[ruby ridge]

Oh so not zen

[vapid tusk]

zen is like a brother

[peak escarp]

I wouldn't consider Mondatta a parental figure

[vapid tusk]

why anubis over mondatta

[peak escarp]

because Anubis literally created Ramattra

[ruby ridge]

Is ashe’s parents alive

[peak escarp]

yes

[ruby ridge]

Alright so she too

Should torbjorn count as bastions parental figure now?

I’m not too sure about junkrst

[peak escarp]

Junkrat is unknown

his family is never mentioned

[vapid tusk]

i am dva's father

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @vapid tusk

[twilit nacelle]

@vapid tusk Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[vapid tusk]

oh mb lol
i was just saying that cuz we're both korean

anyways

[ruby ridge]

Actyslly

Is illari parents confirmed to,be dead

[peak escarp]

no

[ruby ridge]

Or was it just the inca members

I should swap that then

[peak escarp]

just the rest of the Inti Warriors

[vapid tusk]

would zen's figure be mondatta?

[peak escarp]

we dont know if her parents were among them

[ruby ridge]

I’m pretty sure mondatta id more of a

Master

Mentor

Then a paternal figure

[vapid tusk]

zarya's naturally blonde right

[peak escarp]

seems so

[vapid tusk]

i would assume that sombra's is dyed

[ruby ridge]

Sombra was a orphan from the crisis

[vapid tusk]

idk why im talking about hair color all of a sudden but ehh

[ruby ridge]

It’s comfirmed in her origin story

Confirmed

[vapid tusk]

im talking about her hair color lol

[ruby ridge]

Oh so yeah it’s black/brown

Black actyslly

[vapid tusk]

JQ's is also black?

with blue dye?

[ruby ridge]

Hair color isn’t the same in ow universe I’m pretty sure

[vapid tusk]

i can kinda see the roots

[twilit patrol]

What you mean

[vapid tusk]

her hair color

[twilit patrol]

Oh

[ruby ridge]

Like there’s naturally occurring white hair in overwatch universe since you’ve been born

Like with lifeweaver

Or ashe

[vapid tusk]

do you think maybe in like the futuristic timeline the genetics have maybe changed so that people could have hair color that we know as "unnatural" in our timeline?

isn't natural white hair a form of albinism or whatever it's called

[ruby ridge]

Considering people modify their bodies easily I do think natural hair dye would be easy to add into a human body

[peak escarp]

parents confirmed dead: JQ, Ramattra, Winston, WB, Zarya, Echo, Genji, Hanzo, Sombra, Baptiste, Mercy
parents likely dead (due to age): Reinhardt, Sigma, Ana
parents confirmed alive: D.Va, Orisa, Ashe, Pharah, Tracer, Brigitte, Kiriko, Lucio

[ruby ridge]

Yeah but albinism would affect Lifeweaver’s skin color and it dosent and there’s also other stuff

[peak escarp]

everyone else is unknown

[ruby ridge]

Like blue eyes

[twilit patrol]

Omnics has parents ?

[vapid tusk]

parent figures

or creators

[peak escarp]

well

technically Anubis isn't dead, just quarantined

but he's as good as dead

[ruby ridge]

For confirmed alive I add lw yes?

[twilit patrol]

I wonder why they didn't killed Anubis

[peak escarp]

we only saw his parents when he was a kid

[ruby ridge]

Dosent he mention them in a voice line with Ashe

[peak escarp]

we dont know if they're still alive present day

[ruby ridge]

“They’re always trying to help”

[vapid tusk]

well anubis is a program not an omnic

right

so it can't really "die"

[twilit patrol]

Yes but you know what I mean

[rain shoal]

Disney is in shambles rn

[peak escarp]

they probably figured Anubis was too powerful/useful to delete

[twilit patrol]

Wtf

Anubis has killed millions of people in the world

Perhaps hundreds of millions

[peak escarp]

🤷‍♀️

[twilit patrol]

Great mystery then

[rain shoal]

hundreds of millions is wayy too much tbh, i imagine it to be less but idk

[twilit patrol]

I think this war did more damage than the two worlds wars put together

And this is normal

[vapid tusk]

to this day i'm still wondering what the point of John Cena's overwatch ad was all about

[peak escarp]

marketing

[twilit patrol]

Yeah

They didn't add him

And they won't

[hushed jetty]

i cannot believe john cena is not the next tank

[mellow stratus]

It is John Cenigma

[hushed jetty]

unless theyj jumpscare us and he voicecs mauga

[peak escarp]

god I hope not

[twilit patrol]

Wtf

Why he would voice him

[vapid tusk]

Dwayne Johnson should voice mauga

[twilit patrol]

No

[hushed jetty]

it would be funny

[ruby ridge]

This is the worst possible hero,ever

No irl person should become a hero

EVER

[ruby ridge]

No

Grab someone talented

[vapid tusk]

also if the Overwatch x Disney collab did come into fruition
which ow characters would be tied with the disney characters?

like personally i think widow would be good as rapunzel

[peak escarp]

Dwayne Johnson at least has Samoan heritage

[ruby ridge]

Idk Disney is wide, Disney has marvel and a bunch of other stuff

[ruby ridge]

Yeah but it’d also be so expensive, it’s easier to just hire a less known artist and boost them as well

[vapid tusk]

maybe tracer could be that glitch racecar girl from wreck it ralph

[vapid tusk]

yk i never really took "black and Samoan in my veins" seriously until you said that

[twilit patrol]

I don't really know who should voice him

[peak escarp]

I don't either

[twilit patrol]

I don't know so many voice actors

[vapid tusk]

have there ever been a cinematic with mauga involved?

[peak escarp]

I'm just saying he's the better choice between the two of them

the only lore Mauga has appeared in is the short story What You Left Behind

[lavish vessel]

Lmao that would honestly fit so well

[peak escarp]

Cassidy as Flynn Ryder

[woven jewel]

yoooo

[twilit patrol]

Hey

[peak escarp]

dashing scoundrel with a fake name... it's a perfect fit

[lavish vessel]

Yessss

[vapid tusk]

this inspired me to make a list now so i'll be back

[vapid tusk]

wait i just noticed something
Towards the end of the Dragons cinematic, Genji sort of 'poof'ed and disappeared leaving behind a sparrow feather
and in the Kiriko cinematic, she was able to teleport while fighting the Hashimotos
since the similarity between the two is that they have a spiritual connection of some sort and they're ninjas
would this mean that Hanzo also has that ability?

[peak escarp]

Kiriko can teleport because of the kitsune

Genji's "teleport" is just a ninja distraction technique

[vapid tusk]

But hanzo’s also a ninja

So wouldn’t he have the same technique

[drifting acorn]

i think her tp is more of a kitsune skill than a ninja skill

[worn latch]

Idk if this is the right place to post it but I'm working on an analysis for ramattra

[golden oak]

Echo should be red

Why’s brig yellow

Also LW confirmed alive

[worn latch]

Lifeweaver mentioned

[golden oak]

Ashe’s I think are alive

And cass probably dead

Kirikos both parents are alive too

Father is with hashimotos

[worthy rose]

Sup guys

Im really intwrested in the OW lore.

[worn latch]

Ur pfp ☹️☹️

[worthy rose]

?

[worn latch]

A good place to start is the overwatch wiki tho

[worthy rose]

Whats wrong with it

[worn latch]

Sigh

[worthy rose]

Mod why did you warn me

I dont get why

[worn latch]

😞

[peak escarp]

the wiki is okay, but it's better to get your lore from primary sources

you can find links in the pins

[vapid tusk]

I love how the pinned message for the canonical abilities, it just says
Zenyatta:

[golden oak]

Sojourn orb was shown in her cinematic

You can update that

I forgot how it was called

Her E ability

[vapid tusk]

The disruptor shot

[peak escarp]

it hasn't been updated in years

[rare trail]

is sleep dart canon?

i guess its kinda in old soldiers but i thought it was just a reg pistol there

[peak escarp]

she tried to use sleep dart on Reaper

it didn't work

[inner python]

Hello

[keen summit]

Hanzo is mainly samurai honestly

Samurais quite often used bow and arrow yes.

Certain even used firearms

Genji is most ninja like as hes an assasin type more or less

But now we know the leak was true

Well samoa map will either confirm or absolutely deny mauga for s8 cuz now the only tease we got, samoa poster, mightve been for map

[keen summit]

But

If no teaser on that map for samoa. Then dont expect mauga

[golden oak]

She uses it a lot in new blood

In the Cassidy and pharah comic

[round bramble]

reaper is a bitch

[twilit patrol]

That's all ?

[zenith mango]

Is resurrect canon

And when do the hanzo stuff come out

[lavish vessel]

No, ‘resurrect’ in canon can be seen in zero hour when mercy helps out Mei I’m pretty sure

[ruby ridge]

March 10th

I wonder how much control lifeweaver has over his powers

We know his thorns are made out of bio light yet they damage instead of heal

Maybe he can just toggle

[twilit patrol]

No

[rare trail]

"From the streets of Numbani to the alleys of Junkertown, the highest floors of Lijiang Tower to the stars themselves"
which story could be lijiang tower

ana maybe?

[ruby ridge]

If not ana it’s lw

Ana/soldier

[rare trail]

yeah theyre the only two we dont know where they take place

[zenith mango]

So this comes out in march

[rare trail]

yeah the amazon page says march 5th 2024

https://www.amazon.com/Overwatch-Heroes-Ascendant-Story-Collection/dp/195691630X

[hushed jetty]

its a "resurrect" not in the sense of bringing back to life but healing someone who's been downed super fast

[golden oak]

I’m guessing it could prevent someone with lethal wounds from dying, like genji

[potent briar]

It's always genji

[worn latch]

It comes out right before my birthday

Best birthday gift EVA

LIFEWEAVER CONTENT

[ruby ridge]

Was mercy just like

Waiting in the clouds

[peak escarp]

gotta have a dramatic entrance

[spare fox]

I'm pretty sure Wrecking Ball/hammond will be Lijiang Tower due to the logo

[rare trail]

i think he'll be on the lunar colony because of the among the stars thing

[spare fox]

Tbh it might be both. I think WB's solo story is going to be a bunch of vignettes about his adventures and puts him where he's going to stay in the lore bc let's be real, he's not going to be relevant to the lore
The others in the HA book are like a step above him more likely to have their pieces pushed towards the main story line with their HA stories but Hammond, I really don't think so

[fresh rock]

I assumed so..

[potent briar]

He's gonna fight Winston

[potent briar]

Who doesn't love superhero landings?

[zenith mango]

U guys know that voice line on the train when u have Genji and mercy on the train during liberation

Was that casual flirting or real fight

[sharp trench]

probably just talking

[merry token]

It was just playful banter

[vapid tusk]

why is mercy called a valkyrie

[peak escarp]

her suit is called the Valkyrie Suit

[vapid tusk]

so it's mainly cuz of the suit then? cuz imo she's nothing like an actual valkyrie (Norse mytholgy-wise)
Also is her pistol canon?

i remember reading something about how she doesn't want to be violent so she didn't want to have a weapon even if it was like Ana's biotic rifle

[rare trail]

yeah

Ziegler was opposed to the organization's militaristic approach to keeping global peace.

[peak escarp]

she does carry a pistol in combat for self defense

[rare trail]

Ziegler sought to leverage her work for healing in frontline crises. The result was the Valkyrie swift-response suit, which Ziegler herself piloted on many Overwatch missions.

[peak escarp]

she's just opposed to the weaponization of her biotic healing tech

[potent briar]

Yeah like the healing sniper/dart rifles

[golden oak]

Is nanoboost canon?

I haven’t seen it in any comic

[merry token]

I, I guess not?

She does say a line similar to her ult line in a comic, though, while shooting what’s most likely just her normal darts

[ruby ridge]

Maybe check her design in comics

If she has the nano boost thin on her arm

It’s probably canon

[keen summit]

She was looking like "aight lets wait till someone us injured"

[keen summit]

Sunday if we get mauga teasers im basically certain its him

[hushed jetty]

we will know for certain once blizzcon happens, they said theyre revealing the tank there
but i wouldnt be surprised if theres a hint here and there while they discuss teh map on sunday

[keen summit]

well yeah but it seems quite likely, even the style of the panel fits him

[coral timber]

"ram has the saddest lore!"

"widow has the saddest lore!"

illari fucking killed everyone she knew and loved cause she was a lil too happy 😭

like just SNAP u incinerated ur entire civilization cause of it

[keen summit]

yeah

its just that illaris stuff has less bigger implications and kinda feels tragic for the sake of tragedy. which yes isnt bad but unlike widow who was connected to overwatch, rama who is also very sad and connected to almost everything

it makes illari lore be less impactfull

[worthy rose]

Don’t forget Mei either

[twilit patrol]

Most of them have a sad lore

[spare fox]

https://twitter.com/transjunkrat/status/1707655651466338446?s=19

evil shadow skull (@transjunkrat)

my favorite useless overwatch fact ever is that lucio's kitchen is the EXACT same from the lucio-oh's commercial from 2018. which means he filmed this commercial in his own house

Likes

370

Twitter · Sep 29, 2023, 7:16 AM

That's a pretty cool detail

[golden oak]

I really wanna have some Lucio-ohs rn

[worn latch]

You need a tragic backstory for the motivation, I think. Because you can't make a character and put it into the lore if they doesn't have goals.

And especially in overwatch because it's based around heavy things like war and terrorism

Having characters that are happy just wouldn't make sense

[spare fox]

If they're happy they have no motivating push to change, internally or externally

[worn latch]

Yeahhh

[golden oak]

Brig?

[worn latch]

Hmm I wouldn't say here was traumatic but it definitely gives you motivation to see your childhood hero break down in battle y'know

And that was after a pretty nasty fight with the Dragons

[unkempt talon]

So what’s the lore behind Lucio?

[peak escarp]

he led his neighbourhood in an uprising against Vishkar when they moved in to gentrify his neighbourhood

he was also a mildly successful DJ, so that incident gave him global fame

[golden oak]

Moira has no tragic backstory tbh

[peak escarp]

she was disgraced and thrown out of her scientific community

heroes don't necessarily need a tragic backstory, they just need motivation

[golden oak]

But isn’t she in oasis

[peak escarp]

yes

Oasis is full of unethical people

[golden oak]

Yeah but

[golden oak]

Moira is generally happy

[peak escarp]

so is Mei

so are most heroes

[golden oak]

Mei has trauma for sure

[peak escarp]

having trauma doesn't mean you can't ever be happy

[golden oak]

Where moira’s motivation comes from then

[peak escarp]

science

she wants to push the boundaries of scientific advancement

[golden oak]

So her motivation was getting kicked out of scientific community

For not sticking to boundaries

Is moira the only oasis resident we know of?

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Oasis#Known_Residents

[golden oak]

Not much known about them, shame

I wonder if lifeweaver could have ties with oasis since he said scientific community is on his side (I know he probably meant the arcology but who knows) hopefully the upcoming lifeweaver story will give us some insight

[worn latch]

We don't talk about Moira

I just LOVE having zero lore about such an interesting character

[golden oak]

Moira?

[worn latch]

We don't know anything about how she turned out the way she did

Like was she just born like that??

😭😭

[peak escarp]

I don't think there is a why

[worn latch]

[peak escarp]

some people are just like that

[golden oak]

Btw, I know that autistic people being geniuses is a stereotype but could moira be autistic?

[peak escarp]

not likely

[humble dome]

isnt sym autistic?

[golden oak]

Yes

[humble dome]

like canonically?

cool

[golden oak]

My arguments for moira would be having special interest and sensitivity to sounds (she has a line on midtown saying she dislikes loud places like this)

[peak escarp]

that's not really sensitivity to sounds

New York is a loud place

even by normal standards

[north dune]

Am back

So why does rienheart and soldier have numbers on their suit and armor?

[peak escarp]

Soldier's number was his number from the soldier enhancement program

Reinhardt's number is the version of his armor

[north dune]

Ohh

I thought they were like numbered

Also what's up with the invasion? I had ow 1 but didn't do anything with the lore or followed the lore

Ik that they came to kill everyone and then the OW saved them

But then they booted them away thinking they were bad guys

That's what I got from the pack at least

[golden oak]

Basically null sector got bread from talon which allowed them to execute an invasion in order to “liberate” omnics

[north dune]

Who's talon?

[golden oak]

Doomfist’s group

Terrorists

[north dune]

Wait doomfist is bad??

[golden oak]

Organisation

[north dune]

Who's on the good side

[golden oak]

Yeah

[north dune]

So theres Winston, tracer, rien, lucio

[golden oak]

Overwatch members and some other heroes

[north dune]

Dwarf man

[north dune]

So how come we play as doomfist?

I thought we played as OW members only

[peak escarp]

no

[golden oak]

You can play as villains also

[north dune]

I just played for the game play okay 😭😭

[north dune]

So who are all the villains?

[golden oak]

Talon and null sector

[north dune]

Ik but I'm talking about characters. I'm guessing moria, doomfist, Junker queen, junk rat

They all look like villains

[golden oak]

Junkers are neutral

[north dune]

Really? Junker queens kinda a dick

[golden oak]

I guess you could argue Junkrat and Roadhog are villains since they did heists

[north dune]

Same with Mcree and Ashe

[golden oak]

She’s a racist to omnics but that’s all

[north dune]

Damn.

[golden oak]

Cassidy (McCree) had a redemption, Ashe is still a criminal

[peak escarp]

Cassidy is a member of Overwatch

[north dune]

objection????

That's cool

[peak escarp]

Ashe is a criminal, but she's not affiliated with Talon

[north dune]

How come he's not named Mcree anymore?

[north dune]

Ye with Bob

[peak escarp]

huh

guess that's not the right command

idk

[north dune]

No access?

[golden oak]

There was a scandal with a blizzard employee he was named after

[north dune]

Ohh

Wait the dude that touched ppl?

I thought that was someone else

[golden oak]

It was SA case afaik

[north dune]

Damn

Well are all the staff members in the server?

[peak escarp]

no

this is not an official server

[north dune]

I wanna say that I bought ever last merch I could.

[north dune]

Oh dam

How come they don't got an official

[golden oak]

Heroes ascended will be online story or physical book?

[peak escarp]

physical book

[golden oak]

Damn

They’re not gonna publish a scan online?

[peak escarp]

there will probably be an ebook version

[golden oak]

Hopefully, since it probably won’t be available in Europe

[north dune]

Wait, was the cool fight scene between hanzo and genji in the last game for the story or just for hype?

[peak escarp]

it was part of the story

[merry token]

It’s kind of difficult to have an official part of the dev team also moderate a discord server frequently

E,g Valorant’s server used to be run by actual Riot employees but they got too busy so they passed it off to non-Riot employees

Now only like one of the mods is actually a dev at Riot

[peak escarp]

the reddit isn't run by the dev team either

but a lot of people think we are

[north dune]

Dang

[north dune]

Which one better tho

Dragon sword or dragon bow

[worldly talon]

i love when complete randos msg me and ask to play and then they act like its not because of the pfp

[fresh rock]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[fresh rock]

Why do they ALWAYS go to the lore channel??

[vapid tusk]

no idea

[vapid tusk]

Currently, Genji would beat Hanzo

[spare fox]

genji did beat hanzo in the short, turned the dragons right back on Hanzo

[north dune]

Dang

He done reversed it

[quasi sparrow]

Thats crazy

[quasi sparrow]

What happened

[pallid garden]

is there a lore accurate strength tier list

kinda wanna know how strong ram is

[fresh rock]

Nothing.

[rare trail]

he isnt that strong

nemesis form isnt canon

[worldly talon]

i did not mean to put this here

i meant it for one of the other channels LMAO

[empty crescent]

Illari and Sigma are probably the strongest. Followed by Doomfist maybe.

[rare trail]

why illari

[quasi sparrow]

Yes it is

[empty crescent]

She literally has the power of the sun

[rare trail]

wheres it shown in canon?

[worldly talon]

I SWEAR I CLICKED ANOTHER CHANNEL IDK HOW THAT HAPPENED

[quasi sparrow]

Mhm

[fresh rock]

OH-

It is a COMMON misunderstanding

[rare trail]

the "power of the sun" is pretty vague she hasnt really done much in lore

[worn latch]

I hacked u

[rare trail]

she blew up people one time

[fresh rock]

Guys let me be honest

[rare trail]

but she needed a pretty big machine to do that

[quasi sparrow]

Shit u got me there

[rare trail]

orisa and winston have both beaten doomfist

[fresh rock]

I just want Sigma to say; "The power of the sun in the palm of my hands" when he absorbs Illari's ult.

It has nothing to do with actual lore but

I feel like it would be.. good

[worn latch]

Nemesis isn't canon imo because where TF do his extra arms come from

They just appear bro

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His nanites

[rare trail]

nanites or smth

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What is that

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like tiny robot

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Oh

[lavish vessel]

Sudden growth spurts :)

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So true actually

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His nanites are how he does his pull and his ult

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Hm

[fresh rock]

Nanobots.

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Wasn’t Orisa before Doomfist got his gauntlet