#lore-discussion

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rare trail
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and widow isnt in constant pain

exotic root
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Widow worse imo

rare trail
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why

exotic root
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Widow was kidnapped blud šŸ’€

rare trail
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not by moira

exotic root
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She was kidnapped by talon and brainwashed by Moira

rare trail
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no

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moira wasnt in talon at the time

exotic root
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Ight

rare trail
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widow was brainwashed and kidnapped by talon but moira wasnt in at the time

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"Talonā€™s geneticist, Moira Oā€™Deorain, altered AmĆ©lieā€™s physiology to improve her aim, drastically slowing her heart, which turned her skin cold and blue, and numbed her ability to experience human emotion."

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i think what moira did to gabriel was worse

exotic root
rare trail
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no

exotic root
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Ight

rare trail
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after killing gerard widow went back to talon

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and moira joined talon after gerards killing

exotic root
rare trail
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we dont know who specifically

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just a vague "talon operatives"

golden oak
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Yeah Probably just talon goons

ancient terrace
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Mchanzo supremacy

peak escarp
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!!shitposting @ancient terrace

twilit nacelleBOT
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@ancient terrace Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

ancient terrace
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Huh?

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But i werent shit posting

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Eh whatever

gritty wave
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I think itā€™s that Yeehan has nothing to do with lore at least I think

ancient terrace
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Right right

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Fair point

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My bad

gritty wave
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Itā€™s all good

worthy rose
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Who wins sorjun or ash

ancient terrace
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Sojourn clearly

gritty wave
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Depends if Bob is anywhere within ear shot, but bets on Sojourn

ruby ridge
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We donā€™t know how good Ashe is at shooting

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We know sojourn definitely is

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In a 1v1 sojourn wins

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In a 1v1 with Bob idkā€¦

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We donā€™t know how exactly fragile omnics are

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Mondatta got one shot but then would Bob also get one shot

rare trail
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i would assume bob and survive more

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ashe did lose with her whole gang to just cass though so i think soj def wins

ancient terrace
ruby ridge
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Like she wanted to win but not kill him

rare trail
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i dont think cass really wanted to kill her either

ruby ridge
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I want to know more about what happened between cass and Ashe after the sting operation

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Because as far as we know he didnā€™t rejoin deadlock

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And by reunion itā€™s been time since theyā€™ve last met as Ashe said ā€œpromised youā€™d writeā€

gritty wave
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Ashe and Cass have a weird amount of lore for who they are in comparison to the rest of the game. Not complaining tho bc I love my yeehaw lady

ancient terrace
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We need more zen lore tho frfr

rare trail
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we should get some more given the final pve ending cinematic

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i wonder what ram wants him for

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maybe he wants zen to join him?

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or to keep zen safe?

gritty wave
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If they donā€™t have a reconciliation Iā€™m gonna be a sobbing mess

woven jewel
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Happy to read her lore back when I mained her

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Have not read any other chars lore really in depth

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Just overview or skimming

young lily
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How tall is sigma

rare trail
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6'4? idk where im getting that number from though

peak escarp
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we don't have an official height for him

worthy rose
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uys

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guys

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what is Torb to rein??

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friend?

frosty seal
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Yes

rare trail
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yeah theyre friends

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rein is brigs godfather iirc?

frosty seal
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Yes

peak escarp
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correct

full hinge
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reaper is from america, right? cuz, in the overwatch oficial page, says that he is italian

merry token
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I think it just means heā€™s in Italy currently

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Like how Dvaā€™s gives a former location for the meka base

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But now sheā€™s in Gibraltar

rare trail
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what even would reapers former location be?

mint sable
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Winton

full hinge
merry token
rare trail
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why la?

merry token
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He was in LA

worthy rose
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How much does doom weigh

golden oak
peak escarp
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it says Bast of Operations

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not hometown or birthplace

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Reaper's base of operations is Rome because that's where Talon HQ is

golden oak
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Weird how thereā€™s no talon references in colosseo map

peak escarp
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they're probably well hidden

golden oak
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No I donā€™t think so, I like to run around the maps in custom game when Iā€™m bored and pretty sure I would notice

peak escarp
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I mean, well hidden so they don't appear on the map

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or they just aren't near the colosseum

golden oak
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Oh

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I wonder if weā€™ll get one of those gladiators from that map as a hero

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Most likely a tank hero

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Since thatā€™s what the colosseo map is mainly focus I feel like

woven jewel
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Does Malevento or Rialto have clearer references?

limpid agate
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Rialto

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Malevento has one little Talon safehouse

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Rialto has an entire boardroom and armory

golden oak
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Yeah Final building on Rialto is literally a talon base

warm scaffold
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He would so have an iguana and name it Luna

peak escarp
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who

verbal osprey
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I genuinely do not understand how kiriko knew genji and hanzo when they were kids despite their age difference

peak escarp
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the writers made a mistake

deft rose
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That doesnā€™t really make sense to me

limpid agate
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Read the comment immediately above yours

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Which answers that exact question

deft rose
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Oh real

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I swear that there was talk about lore issues before the ages even dropped. Idk why they didnā€™t think to recheck them before making them official. I totally think kiri could be older tbh.

limpid agate
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Yeah, we kinda knew how young she was when she released

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From some shitty Youtube Short they put out saying she was like... 9 when Genji's father died or something like that.

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So we already knew that the years were fucked up because Genji "died" and Hanzo left not long after that

deft rose
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Everything with Kirikoā€™s character seems to be off. She seems so different personality wise from the short and the whole age thing is just icing on the cake. : (

limpid agate
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Overwatch 2 in general has just been a huge mess story wise

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In OW1, it was weird that Shooting Star was the one short where the character in it and the character in the game had drastically different personalities.

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In OW2, Sojourn's short is the one short where the character in it and the character in the game are actually the same character

deft rose
limpid agate
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D.Va is unrecongizable, and that whole short is just terrible even aside from that

deft rose
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Doesnā€™t Dva just have that personality as a faƧade? Like, her bratty one

limpid agate
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No

deft rose
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Man

limpid agate
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Junkerqueen they turned into an idiot

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And Kiriko they turned into the worst addition to the franchise

deft rose
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Not wrong about that. I thought all junkers were supposed to be somewhat odd, though.

limpid agate
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No

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Bruce was shown to be normal.

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Roadhog is also pretty normal, he just hates the world

deft rose
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So itā€™s just junkrat? šŸ¤£

ruby ridge
worthy rose
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they better not be doing this

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they were pretty much canon

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now the one voice line they have makes them look like exes

distant sparrow
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not ingame but personality and voiceline wise

jolly flame
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fr

rare trail
chilly dome
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bruce

twilit patrol
golden oak
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I hope heroes ascended brings some character to kiriko

twilit patrol
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Why ?

rare trail
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i liked her character in her short

golden oak
median roost
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Look for clip 4kill minimum + 3d view for community edit thx to pm me

golden oak
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What if they have different directors for cinematics and in game voice lines, thatā€™s why theyā€™re so different?

signal mantle
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Ok so why is Hanzo dating Kiriko

paper crane
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Whatā€™s the deal with the junkertown characters joining overwatch? Like how did that happen

fresh rock
fresh rock
spring pebble
paper crane
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so why are junk, hog and JQ in the game

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does junkertown even have a purpose? Idk lore at all

rare trail
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being in game doesnt mean theyre in overwatch

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they arent in the overwatch group

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like ashe isnt in overwatch

peak escarp
paper crane
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oh I was wracking my brain tryna figure out how any of them got there

peak escarp
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also Junkrat found a secret that might be important later

paper crane
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Thatā€™s actually good then because I donā€™t need to write much of a backstory for my character

shadow marsh
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It's crazy that Ram is confirmed to be a little brother to Zen

golden oak
golden oak
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Just for the vibe

paper crane
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thatā€™s perfectly fine

shadow marsh
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Also reminds me of Madmax

paper crane
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i am making a character to possibly send to blizzard but I couldnā€™t figure out how the hell they ended up at overwatch from junkertown so I neee to ask cause Iā€™m stupid and didnā€™t sleep

golden oak
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And yeah, theyā€™re also pretty funny characters

paper crane
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true, my character is either gonna be a younger sibling to JQ or just grew up around junk and hog

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It makes more sense to know the character

golden oak
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Or at least were

shadow marsh
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Zen is older than Ram

rare trail
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ok

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theyre effectively the same age though

peak escarp
# golden oak Where was this

He came to notoriety when he discovered an extremely valuable secret in the bones of the omnium. Though few knew the nature of what he found, he was nonetheless pursued by bounty hunters, gangs, and opportunists wherever he went, until he made a deal with the Junker enforcer Roadhog, who grudgingly agreed to be his personal bodyguard in exchange for a fifty-fifty share of the spoils. After a string of offenses against the Junker Queen, Junkrat and Roadhog were officially exiled from Junkertown.

golden oak
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Well that was kinda obvious since ram was created by Anubis and zen was probably a servant omnic created by humans

rare trail
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like zen and ram have been sentient for the same amount of years

peak escarp
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it is likely related to omnic sentience, since Dr. Liao worked in the Australian omnium, and that's where Aurora was built

golden oak
shadow marsh
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Yeah right, just saying that I find it adorable that it turns out our omnic extremist is years younger than Zen. I guess age doesn't matter to omnics since awakening

peak escarp
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age doesn't matter to omnics because they're created as adults

shadow marsh
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Anyways, I'm curious to know about everyone's thoughts of Kiriko's age now that it's.. confirmed

golden oak
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Reggie was created already balding ZaryaLUL

rare trail
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genji doesnt look like hes in his twenties in kiris origin

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it will probably be changed

peak escarp
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it should be changed, but I don't know if it will

shadow marsh
rare trail
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24 wouldve been fine i think

spare fox
peak escarp
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it was mentioned in the Sojourn novel

spare fox
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Oo that's probably why I can't find it since I can't search that

peak escarp
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Chase stays up until the early hours of the morning with Jack, Liao, and the engineers, planning their mission proposal in detail. They carefully study everything they can find from the archived files that Liao manages to source from her days at Omnica Corp. They contain manuals and schematics, detailed layouts of the Outback omnium in Australia, where she was stationed. It isnā€™t the same as Detroit, but they all follow the same core functionality and use the same tech.

golden oak
peak escarp
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researching?

golden oak
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What were they studying

peak escarp
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they were planning to attack the Detroit omnium, to disconnect it from whatever is controlling it (they didn't know it was Anubis)

golden oak
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Ohh

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Btw how many omniums were there

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In the world

peak escarp
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we don't know

golden oak
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So the ones we know are Australia, Antarctica, Detroit

peak escarp
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Siberia, East China Sea

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Nigeria

golden oak
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Yes

peak escarp
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the two maps are made inside the destroyed omnium

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you can see "Omnica Corporation" on some of the walls

golden oak
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Also you can see the dome on the new map that is on junkertown map

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I assume bomb flats were created after junkers moved in

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Because why would they have bombs in an omnium

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Idk why they called it ā€œOLD bomb flatsā€

viscid flame
# peak escarp comedic relief

And they are a cool way to expand the setting of the story, and giving us third party crime factions that aren't associated with the 3 main organizations

golden oak
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Yeah, it would be boring if everyone was either talon or overwatch

viscid flame
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Agreed, it would make the world feel very flat and uninteresting

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The contrast of the different characters and locations is very well done

ruby ridge
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They donā€™t visibly age

limpid agate
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They still gain years of experience

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And the years indicate when they were built

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Zen was built pre-crisis

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Ram was built mid-crisis

violet ferry
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they dont visibly age anyways

paper crane
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They rust

peak escarp
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not if they take care of themselves

floral raptor
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they probably oil themselves up on the daily to avoid rusting eh

lethal steppe
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How does cassidy know sombra? From their interaction sounds like they have know each other for awhile

hushed jetty
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idk if they met there or knew each other previously but eh

lethal steppe
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Ahh the comics, the one thing i havent gone through

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Thanks

rare trail
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i dont think they've ever met or are friends, the closest we see to that is reflections i guess? but cass is unconscious there

hushed jetty
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i think the implication is that theyve at least spoken enough to be familiar with each othee

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thats whats implied by reflextions + the voics lines anyway

rustic ermine
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What ethnicity is illari

peak escarp
north shore
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Even if no one important to the OW storyline know sombra itā€™s a high likelihood she knows them lol

peak escarp
worthy rose
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add burger king to overwatch

merry token
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They definitely at least have a Tim hortonā€™s parody in the game

zenith mango
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Who is Antonio

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And why is doom sad abt him

merry token
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Antonio Bartalotti established Talon

limpid agate
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I don't think that's accurate

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He was leader 10 years ago

viscid flame
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I always read it as she found out about Cass from snooping on Gabriel's information and his Blackwatch days and found him interesting/curious. Most of her lines seem to say she finds him funny or interesting to learn about

zenith mango
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!!loreonly

twilit nacelleBOT
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This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

peak escarp
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he did not

old star
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oh

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i thought he did in the cinematic

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mb

peak escarp
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they're enemies

old star
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why

peak escarp
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because Doomfist is starting a global war

old star
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oh

hollow tinsel
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I just noticed. REAPER IS 60??? THATS CRAZY šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­

peak escarp
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why is that crazy?

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he led Overwatch during the omnic crisis 28 years ago

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and he was a successful cop and soldier before that

paper needle
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F

merry token
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Ig if we go off of visuals weā€™ve only ever seen his full face in his younger form

dusty rapids
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it just feels odd

vapid tusk
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You know what's crazy though? The age gap between Kiriko and the Shimada bros

peak escarp
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yes

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we know

vapid tusk
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lol i only mentioned it cuz that's all ive been seeing on my tiktok

peak escarp
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it's all I've been seeing everywhere

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it's been discussed to death

vapid tusk
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sorry doctor, i'll halt your suffering

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^ sounds like something Moira would say for some reason

peak escarp
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lol

vapid tusk
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do you have any clues as to when the next cin is?

peak escarp
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Blizzcon probably

vapid tusk
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only a month away lets goooooo

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If they introduce another frickin character im going to cry

peak escarp
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we're getting a new hero in season 8

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a new tank

vapid tusk
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im going to cry

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too many characters to keep track lorewise

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ugh

peak escarp
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eh, it's not that hard

quick grail
vapid tusk
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wait so what was the order of the ow2 released heroes again?

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there was sojourn and junker queen

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and then kiriko...?

peak escarp
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Sojourn, Junker Queen, Kiriko, Ramattra, Lifeweaver, Illari

vapid tusk
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got it

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welp im off to bed so good night (this is definitely related to lore, as most of the characters in Overwatch do sleep)

fresh rock
mental gale
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The age difference between mercy/pharah APPEARS to be

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Like 5-7 years in game

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But In lore, you can see mercy as an adult while pharah looks to be 10-12

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Granted mercy does look like she aged, but she looks in her young to mid 20ā€™s Iā€™d say

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But iirc hanzo/genji/kiriko and mercy/pharah are the only ones with a weird age difference between game to lore

lavish vessel
# mental gale

Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s said that pharah is 12 here and mercy is 17

lavish vessel
mental gale
mental gale
lavish vessel
# mental gale Fr?

Yeah, now that we know the ages she wouldā€™ve been 19 in her book at the start of the crisis and so would her twin sister. She has a 5 year old daughter which means she had her at 14

lavish vessel
mental gale
high yoke
lavish vessel
high yoke
high yoke
lavish vessel
lavish vessel
spare fox
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DVa has always been 19 in OW1, and like all the OW1 heroes (except Zen whose age was retconned), she's 2 years older now since OW2 is two years later

rare trail
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yes

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ive heard before that she was like 16 pre release but they changed it later but ive never found a source for that claim

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pharah and mercy age is fine

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12 and 17 in that photo is believable imo

ruby ridge
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Mercy was 17

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Alongside cole

mental gale
rare trail
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why?

mental gale
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Does that make ashe the same age as them both too? (Give or take a few years)

rare trail
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Ashe is older than both

lavish vessel
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Yeah ashe is two years older

little blaze
opaque scroll
mental gale
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Sorry Iā€™m really bad at English

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It seems young in comparison to people like Moira/ana and everyone else around her

rare trail
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yeah most of og overwatch is pretty old

mental gale
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I considered mercy to be part of og ow

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But I think she might be the youngest (?)

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From og ow

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Cause iirc she was around when ana was still operating as a sniper

rare trail
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i dont think she fought in the crisis

mental gale
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The Omnic crisis was 30 years before the present day, so Mercy would have been 7 at the time, and much too young to have joined Overwatch already. According to her bio, she later became the top surgeon of a Swiss hospital, and a renowned researcher; she may be a genius, but that would still take a while.

-Reddit user in 2016

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Yeah

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Then I guess sheā€™s second gen ow?

rare trail
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that reddit user isnt fully correct

mental gale
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Cause she was around for og overwatch, but she wasnā€™t around for the crisis, right?

rare trail
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the crisis started 28 years ago

little blaze
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i think shes in between the two gens joining right after the end of the crisis

mental gale
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Tracer is second gen though, right?

rare trail
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yeah

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she joined like 12ish years ago?

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i forget

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tracer joined 7 years ago

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mercy joined 15 years ago

ruby ridge
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Reinhardt too

mental gale
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Liao

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Uh

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She made echo

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And that one omnic that ramattra talks about

ruby ridge
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Then second generation is moira, mercy, winston I think

ruby ridge
mental gale
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Moira is second gen?

ruby ridge
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Yes

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She was in blackwatch

mental gale
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Blackwatch is second gen?

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So reaper is first and second gen ??

ruby ridge
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Yes

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Yes

mental gale
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And pharah is now third gen?

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Pharah tracer?

ruby ridge
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Yes

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Tracer was second generation if k rmemeber collector

mental gale
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I love how youā€™re just saying yes and itā€™s making sense

ruby ridge
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Correctly

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First generation was the ppl who defeated Omnic crisis

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Then second was overwatch peace keeping until it got disbanded

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Third gen is this

rare trail
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yeah third gen is recall

peak escarp
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First Gen: Soldier, Ana, Reaper, Torbjorn, Reinhardt
Second Gen: Sojourn, Mercy, Moira, Winston, Tracer, Mei, Cassidy, Genji
Third Gen: Baptiste, Pharah, Zarya, D.Va, Lucio, Brigitte

lavish vessel
blazing shore
peak escarp
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the photo is supposed to be 20 years before OW1, Mercy was 37 in OW1

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37 - 20 =17

rare trail
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so orisa was built mid time skip?

mental gale
rare trail
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yeah

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in new blood she was recruited

peak escarp
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she was recruited in New Blood

mental gale
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Wasnā€™t Bap part of talon?

rare trail
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"Zarya was persuaded to offer her strength as part of the reformed Overwatch,"

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yes

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but like a minor foot soldier

mental gale
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Ah

rare trail
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i wonder how many heroes each hero has met

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like in game

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like lifeweaver has only met sym

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so he would have 1

peak escarp
spare fox
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oh yeah there should be a line between Vishkar and Lumerico - I just noticed it on a newspaper in Castillo last night when I was hunting around maps

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I'm working on a list of things that I found or re-found that still have loose ends in the story

spare fox
# peak escarp

why is there an "it's complicated" line between dva and king?

golden oak
# peak escarp

Red is Mutual dislike and orange is like dislike from one side?

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Like, Hammond hates Winston but Winston doesnā€™t hate Hammond

peak escarp
spare fox
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ah ok makes sense

peak escarp
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I didn't want to make a separate category for rivals, so I stuck it under "it's complicated"

golden oak
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Why is bastion and torb orange

peak escarp
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Torbjorn adopted Bastion

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sorta

golden oak
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Also shouldnā€™t yokai group and hashimotos be enemies?

spare fox
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ok and I remember hearing Torbjorn adopted Angela when she was orphaned, but I don't remember if that was fanon or canon and if it was canon, is it metaphorical or legal?

peak escarp
peak escarp
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all we know is they're close family friends

spare fox
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ok, yeah I couldn't remember

golden oak
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Wait, wasnā€™t kirikos father kidnapped by hashimotos or something

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I just remembered

peak escarp
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yes

rare trail
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what are these two?

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golden oak
peak escarp
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top is Hashimoto, bottom is the Yamagami family

rare trail
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ty

golden oak
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I wonder if they can actually summon the tiger spirit

peak escarp
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I hope not

golden oak
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Lol, everyone in japan can suddenly contact spirits

rare trail
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what counts as family for robots?

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peak escarp
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made by the same creator

woven jewel
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Siblings

golden oak
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Only alive people are present in that tree right?

peak escarp
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yes

azure bluff
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Bold of you to put Mercy and Genji as a "romance" given how far they seem to be pushing Pharah and Mercy...

ruby ridge
# peak escarp

Are you gonna update this by just slapping. A picture of illari on some empty space??

peak escarp
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pretty much

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I do plan on redoing the whole map so things aren't quite so tight though

ruby ridge
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I wonder if illari is getting some short story/comic sometime soon

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Like they just jump scared us with the echo comic like a month ago

rare trail
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i wonder if she'll be in heroes ascendant

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shes not on the cover

ruby ridge
rare trail
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her mom i think

ruby ridge
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She looks young in there

peak escarp
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yeah her mom

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I should use a different picture

ruby ridge
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I see

golden oak
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What is even a cavalry

rare trail
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people on horses

lavish vessel
rare trail
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cavalry is soldiers on horseback

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it was very strong before more modern warfare

golden oak
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Whys tracer saying it, makes No sense

rare trail
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cavalry was a very powerful soldier so like when the cavalry got there you had basically won the fight

golden oak
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Oh

lavish vessel
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Torbjorn jokingly said it when tracer arrived to the drop ship for her first mission (uprising), tracer then adapted the catchphrase to be her own

vapid tusk
rare trail
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no

vapid tusk
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ahh

potent briar
# vapid tusk didnt he die

Yeah he got hit by a grenade in the Baptiste story but it was heavily implied that he lived and an old OW1 interaction between Baptiste and Sombra basically confirmed that Mauga's alive and "eager to see him again."

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Willing to bet money he's the next tank for S8

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Dude's built like a mountain and he even uses a "reflector shield" in the short story

golden oak
potent briar
#

I know

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That's part of the reason why I'm convinced Mauga is finally coming

golden oak
#

This canā€™t be a coincidence

mellow stratus
potent briar
#

Mauga denier

potent briar
#

imagine it's mfin King Howl from the JQ cinematic

golden oak
#

How was his relationship with Baptiste

golden oak
potent briar
#

They were definitely fuckin they prolly just friends turned enemies

potent briar
mellow stratus
#

Baptiste and Mauga were friends ?

potent briar
#

The fact that they even showed him in the last shot gives me a vibe that he'll return

golden oak
#

Heā€™s still with talon right?

mellow stratus
#

yeah

potent briar
#

Mauga? Yeah.

#

Mauga's pretty much the only talon grunt in the lore that I can see become playable

#

Nguyen could also be possible (not likely imo) but well his only memorable traits I remember was him being an analyst and popping mfs with a sidearm

#

And I mean grunt as in not high ranking

#

I still think Maximilien and Sanjay could become playable at some point too

twilit patrol
#

Maximilien won't be playable

#

He shouldn't

potent briar
#

Ya mama interesting argument

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But ik the sole person who deserves playability

#

Mama

#

Hong

golden oak
#

Iā€™d say next hero is mauga and another one will be the gladiator from colosseo map

potent briar
#

I am hoping for a melee based dps hero

#

Torb doesn't but also does count because hammer kills are amazing

limpid agate
#

Max is a non combatant

#

Sanjay was basically pushed aside for Lifeweaver

#

Mauga is basically guaranteed

#

Nguyen would be really cool

#

Nobody else is relevant/alive

twilit patrol
#

It's better for Max to remain a NPC

golden oak
#

Wait, if you think about it
Doom was kinda melee dps

#

The only ranged thing he has going on is his primary but it doesnā€™t do much damage apart from close range so I wouldnā€™t count that

#

Melee dps would have to have some good mobility like doom and genji in order to be even viable pick

#

Unfortunately I feel like this would cause the same issues as with doom and genji where theyā€™re either underpowered or overpowered

golden oak
#

So we got null Ana but I also want an alt universe where Ram is good, Zen leads null sector and Mondatta is alive

twilit patrol
#

Zen leads Null Sector DeadCube

spare fox
#

Twist of the century: Zen DOES lead null sector lol

grave anchor
#

dave

stuck mist
#

I now this is probably not something that is canon/relevant to lore but where the hell does bob come from when ash summons him

#

Because he literally just spawns in and runs at the enemy lol

spare fox
#

it's just video game logic

#

same as how they all have infinite ammo and come back seconds after dying

worn latch
#

Idk if this is something thats actually answerable but where do hanzo and Ashe rank as snipers. Like in comparison to ana and widow? Do we know that?

limpid agate
#

Ana > Widow > The other two

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Probably Ashe > Hanzo

#

Hanzo isnt a marksman, the other 3 are

hidden garnet
#

so ana went to junker town

#

did she do anything else there?

#

pls tag me in the response

nimble sandal
peak escarp
#

Red Ned

hidden garnet
#

so only what we hear

nimble sandal
#

Maybe a lil more. Every junker town character seems to know her

#

Also

#

Have y'all talked about the ages of characters yet?

peak escarp
#

extensively

hidden garnet
#

all i know is that d va is around 18ish

peak escarp
#

she's 21

hidden garnet
#

ah

nimble sandal
peak escarp
#

why?

hidden garnet
#

ball is like the same age as winston right?

peak escarp
#

no

hidden garnet
#

oh

peak escarp
#

Ball is 16

hidden garnet
#

i thought he was lmao

nimble sandal
#

As far as I understand of the overwatch timeline, it doesn't make sense that ball and Winton were friends

peak escarp
#

why not?

nimble sandal
peak escarp
#

they were together on HLC for 2 years before they left

hidden garnet
#

ah

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so not the whole time

nimble sandal
hidden garnet
#

kinda makes sense

peak escarp
#

Winston (and Hammond in tow) left HLC 14 years ago

nimble sandal
#

My understanding of the lore is overwatch launched about 15 years before the present, no?

peak escarp
#

no

#

Overwatch started during the Omnic Crisis, 28 years ago

nimble sandal
#

Ah

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Hmm

#

Ok Hammond is fine nvm

#

Kiriko tho...

peak escarp
#

yes, we know Kiriko and Sojourn's ages are wrong

nimble sandal
#

Yeah lmao

#

It's kinda crazy tho

peak escarp
#

give it time, they might fix it

nimble sandal
#

I believe they will

#

This is Dva's 2nd age up iirc

hidden garnet
#

also

nimble sandal
#

She was originally like 16?

peak escarp
#

no

#

she was originally 19

nimble sandal
#

Wait I'm dumb šŸ˜­

peak escarp
#

she aged up with everyone else for OW2

nimble sandal
#

Lmao

hidden garnet
#

nvm

nimble sandal
#

I somehow forgot that lol

#

Ya know who's age I feel is too old tho

#

Phara

hushed jetty
#

how old is she?

nimble sandal
#

34

#

It makes sense but also doesn't

hushed jetty
#

that . is older than i expected

#

ig it makes sens3 but it Feels too old to make sense

nimble sandal
#

Like comparing it to Ana, 34-62 is fine, probably bigger than the gap between most people's parents and them

peak escarp
#

why

hushed jetty
#

actually no nvm im silly

#

if ovw started 28 ish years ago and pharah was a child then, 34 works

nimble sandal
# peak escarp why

It's kinda like the reverse of kiriko where she kinda just acted like she's in her 20s so I guess most of us assumed so

peak escarp
#

Pharah acted like she was in her 20s?

hushed jetty
nimble sandal
#

Exactly

desert yacht
#

so they designed her to be 19 instead

nimble sandal
#

Idk

peak escarp
nimble sandal
#

In my head, Phara was like the same age as tracer and shit

#

Not 6 years old

peak escarp
#

they were exploring ideas of having a mech-driver that was a child, but decided not to have a child being shot at - this decision was made before D.Va was designed

nimble sandal
hushed jetty
#

p sure we see pharah hanging around the ow peeps at a Way younger agr than tracef

nimble sandal
#

Yeah

peak escarp
nimble sandal
#

Yeah tracer isn't here which makes sense

#

She'd be like...a toddler or something

#

Probably not that young but still

peak escarp
#

this photo is 22 years ago, so yeah Tracer would be a toddler

nimble sandal
#

Also Ana aged hard

#

Not that she looks bad or anything

#

Just crazy to think about

worn latch
#

Do we know him?

peak escarp
#

we don't know yet

worn latch
#

Ohh oka

peak escarp
#

but since everyone else in the photo is a playable hero, he'll probably be important eventually

nimble sandal
#

Wait I just realized Hammond designed rockets from birth wtf

worn latch
#

He's built different

nimble sandal
#

Real

peak escarp
#

from birth?

#

he didn't design the escape pod until he was 2

nimble sandal
#

There's like a line where Hammond and Winston are talking about why they fell off as friends and one of the things Hammond mentioned is how Winston "stole his rocket design"

peak escarp
#

yes

nimble sandal
#

Which(as far as I know) would mean he designed it from 0-2

peak escarp
#

well, he was being genetically enhanced from 0-2

nimble sandal
#

"from birth" was an exaggeration as for a hamster 2 is fully grown

#

That too

peak escarp
#

for a normal hamster, "adult" is 4-6 weeks

nimble sandal
#

Yeah

#

They usually are dead by 2

peak escarp
#

so he was likely an adult hamster by the time they started experimenting on him

nimble sandal
#

Yeah most likely

#

He's old as shit for a hamster now

keen summit
#

Thats the point

peak escarp
#

but he acts like a teenager

solid apex
#

Did 9/11 happen in the overwatch universe

rare trail
#

presumably

shadow marsh
#

Seems like today is Roadhog's birthday

#

At least in my time zone

proper crystal
#

how did hanzo, genji sparr with Kiriko and her mother when Genji is 37, Hanzo is 40 AND kiriko is 21?

#

she is half their age

merry mason
#

Weā€™re going on comic book time now

proper crystal
#

nuh uh

rare trail
twilit patrol
#

Overwatch take place in our world but in the future

#

But thereā€™s magic

rare trail
#

kiri should be like at least 26ish

twilit patrol
#

Hmm

#

Yeah

rare trail
#

like genji isnt in his twenties here

training.png
golden oak
#

Idk Hanzo kinda looks like young master skin here

proper crystal
#

funny how genji was the one being goofy in that pic but he is the only one wielding the katana in current time

#

Kiri got kunai and Hanzo bow

proper crystal
#

and hanzo looks older

rare trail
#

i dont think genji looks the same age as kiri

golden oak
#

Kiri could probably use a sword too then

golden oak
# rare trail

I wish Sojiro had traditional clothes too, he looks like an Italian mafia here, not Japanese

mental gale
grand wedge
#

The problem is the biography. When Kiriko was out, there was a YT short that told she was 6 when Sojiro died. And that the Hashimoto have ruled for 12years according to Asaā€™s letter.
But when the biography was out months later, it says that she was 12 when Sojiro died.

So they must change either her age or the bio so itā€™s not weird for the timeline

golden oak
#

Why did Sojiro died so young?

grand wedge
#

Killed

golden oak
#

By hashimotos?

vestal path
golden oak
#

They messed up big time

fresh rock
#

It's a little... scrambled.

vestal path
#

fr

mental gale
#

And how would he(

#

Like lore wise

rare trail
#

he can die

fresh rock
#

Yes, but how?

rare trail
#

if he gets hurt a lot

#

like hes durable but he isnt invincible

proper crystal
#

just shove his smoke in a jar

#

and burn it

#

im pretty sure he is flamable

twilit patrol
mental gale
golden oak
#

I mean he does age, right?

rare trail
#

didnt the old lead writer say that all heroes age normally?

lavish vessel
#

Yeah they do, only one who is slightly different is mei cos she was in Cryosleep for 9 years, her age in the pins is right tho biologically

rare trail
#

im confused about orisa and soj

#

orisa was built mid timeskip ig

lavish vessel
#

Just cos of how much it messes up their lore

rare trail
#

yeah

#

soj should be bumped up by like 10 years and kiri should be bumped up by five imo

fiery echo
lavish vessel
lavish vessel
golden oak
#

Tracer has like few seconds erased from her life whenever she recalls
Ultimately making her aging a little bit slower than others

lavish vessel
peak escarp
woven jewel
#

Mercy ages normally but just appears younger than she is cuz science or something right?

#

I remember reading something like that

golden oak
#

Sheā€™s 39

#

Sojourn is almost 50 and she doesnā€™t even have wrinkles

#

I think itā€™s just the cartoonish style making them look younger than they are

ruby ridge
#

Idk aging isnā€™t too visible unless they want it to be visible

#

Look at Ashe

#

Sojourn

distant sparrow
#

how old even is ashe

rare trail
#

41

#

does deadlock rebels talk about ashes childhood? im a little confused on when she got bob

ruby ridge
#

He was always the big Omnic butler to ashe

#

And friend

rare trail
#

or when she was 13

#

i dont think the lore timeline in pins is updated

lavish vessel
ruby ridge
#

Iirc didnā€™t ashe have a line in her book that says as far as she remembers Bob was the only one ever there for us

rare trail
#

bob first shows up in this shot

image.png
#

hmmm

#

omnics gained sentience 26 years ago right?

#

i could believe ashe is 15 here

#

hmmm

ruby ridge
#

B.O.B. had been by Asheā€™s side for as long as she could remember, a

#

Thatā€™s from the deadlock comic

rare trail
#

which comic?

ruby ridge
#

Unless she started getting memories at idk 11??

ruby ridge
#

Story

rare trail
#

weird

#

for as long as she can remember bob was advanced and sentient?

#

because that would've been when she was 15

#

uhhh

#

maybe he became sentient later? like he wasnt sentient and was just like a robot butler and then the crisis happened and he uhh ???? then came back sentient?

ruby ridge
#

Yeah thatā€™s what happened

#

He was just a ai butler

rare trail
#

i thought heroes ascendant said it was going to have a pre crisis story with them

ruby ridge
#

Then after Omnic crisis

ruby ridge
#

Something also

rare trail
#

so did he just leave during the crisis? or?

ruby ridge
#

Itā€™s weird thag omnics like bastion/Bob donā€™t speak even after being sentient

ruby ridge
#

Then he came back ā€œyearsā€ later

#

In new ways Ashe never understood ( his sentience)

rare trail
#

its a little weird to say "by her side for as long as she could remember" when he left for like two years

#

ig they hadn't nailed down when sentience happened?

#

idk

ruby ridge
#

All the monks

#

But not Bob?

#

And wait

rare trail
#

maybe he doesnt want to?

#

maybe bastion cant?

#

but torb could upgrade him if he wants

#

and it kinda seems like bastion is speaking some language

#

from voicelines

ruby ridge
#

All of them could speak

IMG_9433.webp
#

And that big one looks like a Bob mode

unkempt abyss
mental gale
#

:3

mental gale
unkempt abyss
mental gale
#

She does?

#

Thatā€™s so sweet omg

unkempt abyss
fiery sinew
#

wait now i wanna know how they interact

unkempt abyss
fiery sinew
#

ty

hushed jetty
#

bastion is understood perfectly well by other omnics, i imagine his inability to speak english is either bc of his whole pod malfunction thing or just an E54 thing

#

in the in-game lore codex we see him Trying to talk to zarya and i think he like. does have the intention to say actual words? but it only comes out as beeps and boops

#

so idk

grand wedge
#

E54 were warmachines (and not supposed to have AI when they were designed by Torb) so he probably doesn't have a voice box. And I hope he never will, because bastion is too cute with his "bip" and "boop"

golden oak
#

Just different language

gentle nova
#

Happy birthday roadhog!!!

spare fox
#

šŸŽ‚ get him a big ole cake and then leave him alone lol

hushed jetty
#

yes, with a pachimari topper

mellow stratus
#

Roadhog rework soon

#

that's cool

viscid flame
#

Bastion definitely only communicates via beeps by choice, he was with Torb for years and received plenty of other upgrades and new parts. Torb wouldn't have skipped a voice-box upgrade unless Bastion turned it down

quick grail
spare fox
#

Oh yeah was anyone able to confirm if there was anything in game like an interaction or anything for Roadhog's birthday?

hushed jetty
#

playing rn. there was not

cold flare
#

Goku is in the echo lore

vague nova
#

What about jojo

vague plume
#

YO IM NEW TO OVER WATCH AND WHEN I WANT TO ENTR THE GAME THEY TELL ME (SMS PROTECT IS REQ TO PROTECT YOUR ACC) AND WHEN I JOIN THE THING THEY TELL ME EROR 403 I CANT PLAY THE GAME WHAT CAN I DO TO FIX IT

twilit patrol
#

!!loreonly

twilit nacelleBOT
#

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

keen summit
fresh rock
#

Why do they always ask the lore channel šŸ¤¦

twilit patrol
ruby ridge
#

idkā€¦

spare fox
#

well they don't know what "lore" means and they don't know how to solve their problem so logically the lore channel must be the one to ask?

fair void
drifting epoch
hushed imp
#

the 18+ content has better lore

peak escarp
#

!!loreonly

twilit nacelleBOT
#

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

unkempt abyss
twilit patrol
#

Stay in the lore

unkempt abyss
#

besides he came back its not like he just dropped her

rare trail
#

she would've only gotten bob when she was like 9 though iirc

unkempt abyss
#

who do you think lore wise is the mustiest

rare trail
#

mustiest?

unkempt abyss
#

reapers gotta smell bad i think rein might take it

#

or hog

peak escarp
#

Hammond

lavish vessel
#

Iā€™d say hog, Hammond would probably smell terrible tho too lol

lavish vessel
distant sparrow
#

tho it is hard getting into a shower and cleaning yourself off when you are 600+ kg so understandable

unkempt abyss
lavish vessel
unkempt abyss
#

dvas gotta have that egirl stench

#

spends all day in a mech or gaming eating junk food

lavish vessel
#

I feel like all the ow members would be quite clean

peak escarp
#

they would

#

but Hammond and Winston would have natural animal musk

#

regardless of how clean they kept

unkempt abyss
unkempt abyss
#

especially reinhardt with his closed armor

peak escarp
#

Cassidy probably smells like leather and bourbon

glacial lily
#

and pie

marsh sphinx
#

Y'all think widow smells like Dior or bien-etre

lavish vessel
lavish vessel
ruby ridge
#

the smelliest person is probably.

#

genji mains

#

In terms of hero

#

Probably roadhog

lavish vessel
#

Yeah Roadhog or Hammond

ruby ridge
#

Torbjorn beard is probably smelly tho

#

Same with rein

worthy rose
#

no

it'd be lifeweaver

he's literally homeless

ruby ridge
#

Me when I donā€™t read lore

worthy rose
lavish vessel
real fern
#

Reaper is literally a decaying skeletonā€¦

peak escarp
#

he's still human

distant sparrow
peak escarp
#

he's not homeless, he lives in the Atlantic Arcology

twilit patrol
#

Next map maybe ?

distant sparrow
peak escarp
#

rude

twilit patrol
distant sparrow
#

i pray for the day he is horifically murdered

#

INGAME***

twilit patrol
#

Hmm

#

We're talking about lore, not in game.

distant sparrow
#

in lore aswell

ruby ridge
#

I feel like lifeweaver would be used for a shock death if overwatxh was a drama series

#

Like idk some vishkar mercenary shoots him and thatā€™s what convinces sym to become good

distant sparrow
#

good

#

remove sym aswell i hate her

twilit patrol
ruby ridge
#

Actually whoā€™d be most likely to die in lore?

#

Reinhardt is up there, maybe ram

#

Zen

twilit patrol
#

Nobody

#

They don't have reason to kill off Ram and Zen

lavish vessel
distant sparrow
#

i hope the next tunguska event hits pharamercy's houses and they have to watch

#

maybe thatll give them an incentive to run - and this time not to the fridge

twilit patrol
#

Ramattra would probably be jailed

#

But not killed

twilit patrol
lavish vessel
# twilit patrol How could Ana die ?

No clue, maybe an attack on where she is rn by null sector and since itā€™s only her (unless soldier is still with her) sheā€™d be overrun

twilit patrol
#

Well

distant sparrow
lavish vessel
#

Sheā€™s only 62

twilit patrol
#

62 means we're young ?

distant sparrow
#

"only"

#

mf a gust of wind hits her too hard and she collapses into dust

lavish vessel
distant sparrow
#

ok a stroke then

twilit patrol
#

Reinhardt I can only see him to sacrifice

lavish vessel
twilit patrol
#

Nothing else

lavish vessel
twilit patrol
#

Apparently it's not in their plan to kill off a single hero

ruby ridge
#

Or they kill zenyatta off to make Ramattra even angrier or something idk

ruby ridge
#

I would be so happy to see hanzo finish the job with genji

lavish vessel
twilit patrol
lavish vessel
#

Yeah ik but it would still feel weird

twilit patrol
#

That's true

mellow stratus
#

but they never said they won't kill off characters right ?

fresh rock
#

They said they don't have it in their plans.

spare fox
#

Years ago they (Jeff iirc) said if they did kill off a character in lore, they wouldn't be removed from the game

twilit patrol
mellow stratus
#

but when ??

fresh rock
#

I think a good idea for a PvE cutscene is to have Bap sacrifice himself and be taken in by Talon. He's constantly being hunted, there outta be some idea dwelling. Especially since the next missions are Talon related.

mellow stratus
ruby ridge
#

Hereā€™s some characters I can see dying for shock or just lore wise, lw, zen, ram, rein, reaper, soldier, genji or hanzo, moira maybe

rare trail
fresh rock
#

Right!

ruby ridge
#

If illari ever becomes relevant I could see she making some big sacrifice and nuking everything like she did

fresh rock
#

He SHOULD be in the game by then.

twilit patrol
#

YES

peak escarp
#

why would Talon want to capture Baptiste

ruby ridge
#

Donā€™t they wanna capture him??

peak escarp
#

they already sent squads to kill him

ruby ridge
#

Oh yeah

#

Kill

#

Not capture

#

Oopsie

#

Didnā€™t he create his immortality field? Maybe theyā€™d want that technology

twilit patrol
#

It isn't canon

ruby ridge
#

I see

peak escarp
#

it is canon

#

he used it in WYLB

twilit patrol
#

Really ?

peak escarp
#

it's why he doesn't die when he blows up Mauga

ruby ridge
#

Iā€™m surprised we donā€™t have a talon engineer hero

#

Kinda like torbjorn

#

But evilā€¦.

twilit patrol
#

Oh ok

#

My bad

peak escarp
# 
ā€œDonā€™t shoot!ā€ Baptiste shouted. ā€œIā€™m coming out there!ā€ He extended his arm out in the open, holding his
breath. No bullets followed, so he slowly edged out from behind the shipping container.
Mauga waited a few yards away, sunglasses on. His weapons were still aimed straight at Baptiste. The
ocean breeze blew through his hair and he grinned that wide, wide grin. ā€œFinally come to your senses, buddy?ā€
ā€œNot really,ā€ said Baptiste, whipping his rifle out from behind the shipping container. He threw the disc into the air and unloaded his clip into the fusion-energy charging station beside Mauga.
The resulting explosion shattered the air. The middle of the pier was blown into the air, chunks of concrete raining into the bay. Some crashed into the decks of nearby boats, capsizing them. Seagulls scattered overhead, shrieking.```
twilit patrol
#

Was Baptiste in critical condition ?

peak escarp
#

When the smoke cleared, Mauga was gone. Baptiste lay on one end of the pier, battered but breathing. The prototype device hummed in the air, emitting a protective field of energy around him. It was the only thing that had kept him alive.

fresh rock
twilit patrol
#

ok

#

I didn't know it was canon CubeThink

mental gale
#

How does Illari know about Moira? How does illari know that reaper is in constant pain and suffering?

IMG_9423.png
#

Sheā€™s like the only overwatch character without a solid connection to any other one, or so I thought

peak escarp
#

in-game voice lines don't indicate actual relationships/knowledge

#

they're hypothetical

hushed jetty
#

i imagine there might be some hidden lore with her and moira specifically bc illari seems. very specifically unhappy with her

fickle flame
hushed jetty
#

and not just in a "oh moira is evil so illari dowsnt like her" way

fickle flame
#

big lore

peak escarp
#

don't see how that would be possible

mental gale
#

They sound personal

#

ā€œYou will not experiment on me!ā€

#

Like ????

#

Why is she so aggressive with them

peak escarp
#

if Illari knew Moira and knew her reputation, that's what she would say

lavish laurel
spare fox
#

I think if Illari has any connection to anything lore-wise, I theorize it'd be Vishkar... they're known for taking out rivals in big explosions, forcing destruction in order to force growth to their liking and in line with their technology but it's just a guess on my part

peak escarp
#

Illari doesn't do any of those

spare fox
#

No I mean that Vishkar had a hand in the Inti destruction

peak escarp
#

why would they?

spare fox
#

Influence in the area

peak escarp
#

Illari's explosion was an accident

#

unless Vishkar was somehow able to overload her with solar energy undetected

spare fox
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So was the explosion at Calado contracting that also conveniently took out the favela

peak escarp
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that wasn't an accident

spare fox
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We know that, Sanjay and Sym knows that, but it's in-universe on the books as an accident

peak escarp
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it was still an intentional explosion set with regular explosives

spare fox
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Or unrelated act of violence, my point being it's not what it seems

peak escarp
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Illari's accident was an overload of solar energy

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there's nothing to suggest it was caused by sabotage

spare fox
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Ok

peak escarp
spare fox
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Well, we know what Illari knows

ruby ridge
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We should see Sanjay in the talon missions

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Or at least I hope

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Heā€™s the only talon inner council never to be seen in game Iā€™m pretty sure?

peak escarp
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correct

fresh rock
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I'd like that :]

ruby ridge
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Lifeweaverā€™s blossom, tree and grip is bio light but what about his platform, itā€™s hard light right?

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Alongside his thorns

worn latch
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His thorns are hardlight yes

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I'm not too sure about his platform though.

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I think that's just ingame stuff it doesn't really have anything to do with lore

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It's just there

peak escarp
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hardlight makes sense, since he was a Vishkar student

golden oak
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Idk, the platform is a seed that sprouts into a petal

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Wouldnā€™t be surprised if all his powers are biolight

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But I guess not all of them have to be canon
I mean is symā€™s teleport canon?

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Thatā€™s not his name anyways

worn latch
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ā˜¹ļø

wind wind
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cassidy and echo a W duo

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hopefully we get like some cowboy comic on them

peak escarp
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!!shitposting @worthy rose

twilit nacelleBOT
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@solid ether Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

peak escarp
golden oak
spare fox
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I just finished re-reading A Better World and some of the things Symmetra can do with hard light is wild - I wonder if it's based off of pre-release concepts of her

unkempt abyss
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lore wise who is racist and who isnt

spare fox
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like she's able to build a bridge between buildings, she can drain energy

unkempt abyss
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are omnics a race?

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is rammatra speciesist for hating humans

spare fox
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basically yes, they are just as sentient as people and in most places they are considered people

unkempt abyss
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so zarya rein the junkers are all racist?

golden oak
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I need to know if Lifeweaver can create animals too or just plants (but Iā€™m guessing only plants since thatā€™s all he does in game)

unkempt abyss
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its hardlight mixed with plant life

peak escarp
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probably just plants

golden oak
golden oak
spare fox
unkempt abyss
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is reaper racist?

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he has a line calling bob trash

golden oak
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Reaper hates everyone

golden oak
spare fox
unkempt abyss
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in that case rammatra is racist?

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speciesist

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humanist

spare fox
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idk, maybe just anti-human

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he would say he's anti-human supremecy though