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#lore-discussion
ruby ridge
nocturne cliff
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Ik but he kinda forgets the fact that he’s a war or in the last bastion
ruby ridge
He completely missed the iris’s message since he was dormant during those years
So when he awoke he remembered his mission to destroy but then when Ganymede continued with him he started feeling true emotions
Which led to him turning good
And he got ptsd since he can feel emotions and it felt like his friends died yesterday for him
nocturne cliff
The point is that him being forced to do something that his commands don’t want him to do slowly forces him to develop a learning AI
paper ocean
Does Bastion have PTSD?
ruby ridge
Yes
nocturne cliff
So when he awoke he remembered his mission to destroy but then when Ganymede con...
I know, but it feels very “bad guy forget command = good guy”
rare trail
he doesnt forget
fresh rock
Does Bastion have PTSD?
It's a possibility.
nocturne cliff
he doesnt forget
No but he very quickly abandoned his command in the last bastion,
ruby ridge
I do think bastion has ptsd since when he got flashbacks he looked visually scared, and when loud sounds happened he started to shoot
rare trail
most omnics stopped fighting after they became sentient
ruby ridge
No but he very quickly abandoned his command in the last bastion,
Because he didn’t know he was sentient at start, only after Ganymede first landed again did he feel his first emotion
Which causes him to deter from his mission
nocturne cliff
Because he didn’t know he was sentient at start, only after Ganymede first lande...
Which doesn’t feel like him developing a character, it feels like the character was developed for him
I like the concept of him slowly learning around his commands more than his sentients being given to him but that’s just me
paper ocean
Who's Ganymede, is it the turret, torb has? I never really knew who Ganymede was
rare trail
the bird
ruby ridge
Who's Ganymede, is it the turret, torb has? I never really knew who Ganymede was
Bastion bird
Yellow one
nocturne cliff
I don’t like Ganymede
paper ocean
Oooh
rare trail
ganymede
ruby ridge
paper ocean
Cute!
rare trail
he had like 15 years
nocturne cliff
How old is bastion
rare trail
33?
paper ocean
How old is our friendly 'ol robot
nocturne cliff
33?
Oh he’s way younger than I thought
I though he was like 50
How long was he inactive
ruby ridge
he had like 15 years
?
rare trail
the crisis started 33 years ago so he couldnt be any older
nocturne cliff
I’m stupid
rare trail
he was inactive for like 15 years then woke up and wandered for 18 years then got picked up by torb this year i think?
ruby ridge
I don’t think the last bastion was ever confirmed where in the timeline
rare trail
doctor six said 15 years ago iirc or 18
ruby ridge
But I don’t think 18 years would work because he was spotted by some teens
He couldent
Oh
nocturne cliff
How come the bastions and the OR14’s have orange camo
ruby ridge
Makes me wonder how bastion stayed hidden for 18 years
nocturne cliff
Makes me wonder how bastion stayed hidden for 18 years
Dirt
rare trail
theres a lot of forest in europe
rare trail
and people still knew about him he was like a legend
nocturne cliff
He so sneak
Also the fact that he was virtually buried
ruby ridge
Oh yeah and bastion was waterproof so he could stay with the fishies
rare trail
i wish we got the octopus bastion as a skin
ruby ridge
Same
ruby ridge
I think the point of bastions design is that he can be cute and intimidating
rare trail
i love this sm
nocturne cliff
I think the point of bastions design is that he can be cute and intimidating
Idk, smth about having a gut turret head on a way machine with a mini gun on it’s back who also turns into a tank and mortar launcher is so badass to me
Are the bastions configurable
Like if a bastion loses an arm, can they take one from a dead bastion as a replacement
Or like if a bastion doesn’t have enough fire power, can they swap arms with another bastion to have two gun arms?
Also if bastion can shrink his mini gun barrels down so that his can turn into the turret easier, how come he doesn’t do that all the time
rare trail
i love bastion sm
nocturne cliff
It looks like he’s wearing a crown
paper ocean
I'm hearing all this good stuff about bastion, but the main reason we're here is because of the sombra and bastion situation....i'm a sombra main....
shadow marsh
Sombra even said that Bastion has good encryption
Said to one of their in-game interactions
paper ocean
Sombra even said that Bastion has good encryption
Did u hear the one with her and Echo. So good!
nocturne cliff
Sombra even said that Bastion has good encryption
Exactly, that’s why she would need to deactivate his kill switch before she could turn him against overwatch
Because if she didn’t hack him in time she would just get shot
Imagine if there was a character who had Winston’s shield, but on their back, so when it was active it was a bubble of protection that they could move around with
shadow marsh
Basically April Fools Winston
paper ocean
Imagine if there was a character who had Winston’s shield, but on their back, so...
Zarya?
0-0
nocturne cliff
Zarya?
Kinda, just good
I have never played against zarya without winning the fight
paper ocean
I have never played against zarya without winning the fight
Use Sombra, or Symmetra. Good counters
nocturne cliff
I always beat zarya’s, I don’t have to worry about them
paper ocean
Oh I thought u said u haven't won against her, my bad
But still those two are good counters
nocturne cliff
I want to play as rienhardts master
Larger and more durable shield
Way larger health pool
Dual wield hammers
Throw hammers
Boost drifting
Jump attacks
Attacking while boosting
Throwing enemies at other enemies
If he existed and all his abilities were from thing he did in the cinematic he would be OP
I also want to play as an OR14, they have lazer swords, infinite ammo with no cooldown
ruby ridge
Erm
peak escarp
Mercy and Baptiste are the only ones with any medical training
paper ocean
Does Lucio even heal?
peak escarp
the rest either use tech/magic to heal, or don't heal at all
peak escarp
Does Lucio even heal?
nope
paper ocean
I'VE BEEN LIED TO
peak escarp
he just encourages people and provides a rhythm to fight to
paper ocean
I honestly thought Moira had medical training, because she's a scientist
peak escarp
she's not a medical doctor though
paper ocean
dang
peak escarp
she's a geneticist
paper ocean
the rest either use tech/magic to heal, or don't heal at all
Magic?
peak escarp
Kiriko
paper ocean
Does sigma's ability counts as actual superpowers?
Because everyone else, rely on thier tech, but sigma is a questionable one
and kiriko
merry mason
Don’t scientists still need to go to med school if they want to experiment on humans? That being said Moira probably would just do it anyway
ruby ridge
Does sigma's ability counts as actual superpowers?
I do think so yes
honest spear
Every other society has hardlight tech of some kind, idk why they can't just say the spirits are the Japanese version of hardlight. Maybe they look so detailed because building hardlight has become an art or something.
actual magic animal spirits & some kind of transhumanist cyber-enlightement (the Iris) don't mix lol
limpid agate
There was a change in writers
They used to be not magic
Now they are magic
Illari also seems to be some kind of magic or magic-adjacent system
They use tech to imbue warriors with Solar Threading but she had solar energy stored in her body and seemed to be capable of using it before going through any of the procedures
Her story doesnt really make much sense
peak escarp
Every other society has hardlight tech of some kind, idk why they can't just say...
because Kiriko uses it as a child, with no visible emitters or possible source for hard light to come from
paper ocean
Illari also seems to be some kind of magic or magic-adjacent system
She got her powers from the sun god(ess) I think
peak escarp
even the idea of "hard light emitting tattoos" was a stretch
peak escarp
She got her powers from the sun god(ess) I think
they never said that
limpid agate
Like
They really described it as a science
But a lot of the stuff that happened has like...
paper ocean
they never said that
oh then how did she get her powers?
limpid agate
Just inexplicable, she has innate power
And was able to use Solar Energy before the Solar Threadding
paper ocean
TThe Overwatch 2 Illari cinematic began with the hero recalling the days when solar energy fueled all of her people's needs. However, only select individuals had the ability to wield the sun's power. These were the Inti Warriors. Illari called them the Children of the Sun. They were providers, healers, and protectors who harnessed solar energy.
paper ocean
Damn...
limpid agate
Its something they mostly explained as a science, but then Illari acts as some kinda weird special case I cant explain and doesn't make sense.
peak escarp
magic is one thing, but confirming the existence of gods would be going too far
Illari already doesn't fit the setting
paper ocean
So where Illari DID live, was that like the healthiest place in lore, because they used only solar
paper ocean
oh ok
limpid agate
I would speculate that it is something derived from a similar tech to Hard Light, as both are photonic energies
But I doubt Blizzard put any thought into it other than just "Its Solar Energy"
paper ocean
it says video is not available
peak escarp
works for me
merry mason
Just inexplicable, she has innate power
She has the most potential, but I don’t think they said anything about her having powers before
golden oak
And was able to use Solar Energy before the Solar Threadding
No, I think the ritual makes you able to accumulate solar power in your body and thanks to that she can power her weapon and pylon (like we see when she’s reloading) I’m guessing since she’s from the family of inti they were teaching her how to use those equipment before her ritual with already charged ones
limpid agate
In the short, the gun doesnt charge until after she grabs it
In the same way she does in game
golden oak
Really?
limpid agate
Which is through channeling her solar energy
golden oak
What is the ritual for then
limpid agate
And also, the whole idea that she had some inner power
That blows up the ritual
Makes no fucking sense either
merry mason
Maybe it’s genetic or something
limpid agate
Its out of place is what it is.
Aside from Ramattra, every hero since Kiriko has been disappointing.
merry mason
Not really, we have other characters that are just better at their tech before, like sym
quick grail
They used to be not magic
and what hanzo and genji dragons are? the cinematic made very clear the dragons were real and not something like symetria
limpid agate
Kiriko fucked up the whole universe, Lifeweaver was disappointing, and Illari feels like she shouldn't even be here.
limpid agate
and what hanzo and genji dragons are? the cinematic made very clear the dragons ...
The way they behave in the short and the way Symmetra's hard light energies behave in the comics are identical
So it was speculated they were hard light
quick grail
the way hanzo talks about the dragons, the way the cinematic shows the dragons make them look magic
limpid agate
Hanzo is a traditionalist, you cant take what he says literally.
Or at least we couldnt
But the way the cinematic shows them is identical with Sym in the comic
merry mason
Yeah but overwatch is a strictly sci-fi series so we didn’t believe them
limpid agate
Both of them were semi-transparent blue constructs that phased through people and inflicted a form of energy drain.
Gameplay wise, both were also semi-transparent blue projectiles that phased through matter (walls for Hanzo, barriers for Sym) to inflict penetrating damage. But gameplay isnt lore.
And in an interview that no longer exists, the former lead writer explicitly said that the Dragons were not magic.
quick grail
even if the dragons arent magic there is still zanyata thing, nobody knows what he does or how, some interactions have characters asking how he heals or how he floats
paper ocean
Illari doesn't tie into the lore whatsoever
limpid agate
We have a ton of things that just float in Overwatch
Some even without those uhh... Whats the word
Pulsers?
merry mason
But they point out the floating is different
limpid agate
The things under cars
Who points out the floating is different
Mercy pointed out she didnt understand his healing.
merry mason
It’s propulsior I’m pretty sure
limpid agate
And he in turn said that he didn't understand hers.
But I dont recall any interaction about the floating
paper ocean
Mercy pointed out she didnt understand his healing.
Mercy is a human, and zen is a robot...
merry mason
Sigma says he can’t detect any propulsors
limpid agate
That's post-Kiriko
That wasnt in OW1
Since the writers changed and Kiriko introduced magic
They've been going back and making the questionable but still science explainable heroes as just
"Nah its magic"
merry mason
you know kiriko doesn’t need to be magic
paper ocean
The only people since Kiriko, that actual is part of the lore, is Sojourn, Ramattra, and Kiriko
limpid agate
Sojourn was before Kiriko
quick grail
im pretty sure the interactions of mercy asking zenyata how his heals works, or was moira, were in ow1
limpid agate
The Mercy interaction was in OW1
paper ocean
Sojourn was before Kiriko
I meant as a playable character
limpid agate
For like
merry mason
Beta
limpid agate
Half a year in two betas
Sojourn > Junkerqueen > Kiriko > Ramattra > Lifeweaver > Illari
paper ocean
ohhh
quick grail
sojourn was playable since 2019 but for no reason was hold until 2022
paper ocean
What the hell was JQ for?
limpid agate
The Blizzcon build only had Toronto
merry mason
The Blizzcon build only had Toronto
Other beta
limpid agate
I wasnt talking to you
merry mason
Sorry replied to the wrong guy
quick grail
there is a 2021 video of toronto gameplay with sojourn already complete
limpid agate
sojourn was playable since 2019 but for no reason was hold until 2022
I was replying to this
limpid agate
there is a 2021 video of toronto gameplay with sojourn already complete
- Yes. Not 2019
That wasnt from Blizzcon 2019
merry mason
What the hell was JQ for?
I was replying to this
limpid agate
That was from BlizzConline
quick grail
if she was complete in 2021, she was being worked on since 2019
limpid agate
She's there because she was a highly requested character, and the leader of the faction
quick grail
junker queen was too much, i like the character but we didnt need a third junker
paper ocean
I want more Vishkar heroes tbh
limpid agate
Fourth Junker
quick grail
like we didnt need a third ninja
quick grail
at least sojours is part of the lore
limpid agate
You can expand the world without making up bullshit with no relation to anything
Like Baptiste
paper ocean
i consider the rat more from the moon like winston
Same he wasn't born there, he isn't really a Junker.
quick grail
batiste was part of talon, he is part of the lore
he have ties with widow
or reaper
limpid agate
He also introduced the idea of the Caribbean Coalition
He has no ties to either of those
His ties are to Sombra only, among the playable cast
Until OW2
Where he joined Overwatch through Cassidy's recruitment
paper ocean
Why was Sombra such a stall?
quick grail
whatever batiste is part of the lore, he wasnt made out of nothing, an ex talon foot soldier
limpid agate
Yes, he wasnt made out of nothing
And he expanded the world
It was a character from an unrepresented place in the world who also expanded more on how that part of the world handled the crisis and post-crisis, and also explored more into the roots of how Talon came to be what it is today
paper ocean
Is this god related?
merry mason
The Caribbean coalition that was never ever brought up outside of batiste working there?
limpid agate
Yeah.
merry mason
Is this god related?
No he’s just named after a god
paper ocean
Ah
quick grail
but he didnt came out of nowhere, he is a soldier from talon that leave, is not like illare that really out of nowhere there is a neo pagan inca fanction that use the power of the sun
quick grail
but he has relation
paper ocean
Wonder what the next hero could be. Would they be DPS or Tank? Better not be another fucking support.
merry mason
They’ll be Mauga baptiste’s friend
paper ocean
What if it was someone from, like Meka Squad, or another Vishkar
limpid agate
He was an ex-Talon mercenary. Lifeweaver is an ex-Vishkar plant based pansexual
I would argue Lifeweaver has no relation to anything.
quick grail
i hope is not muga
paper ocean
I would argue Lifeweaver has no relation to anything.
Symmetra
limpid agate
Its almost certainly Mauga
limpid agate
Wonder what the next hero could be. Would they be DPS or Tank? Better not be ano...
Already confirmed to be a tank
merry mason
I would argue Lifeweaver has no relation to anything.
Yeah being college roommates isn’t much of a connection
quick grail
in vishkar, vishkar is part of the lore, so is a connection
limpid agate
Would you rather I added the word major or present.
Lifeweaver is an independant with minor former ties to Vishkar.
manic nebula
whos that in ur banner
limpid agate
Baptiste was an independant with former ties to Talon.
limpid agate
The point is getting too nitpicky and getting away from the original comment
Which was
manic nebula
whos that in ur banner
a'
quick grail
i honestly dont konw, i didnt saw his origins video, lifewave or whatever is called is one of the most boring characters, his only trait is filrt with everyone
limpid agate
manic nebula
pls respond 😭
limpid agate
Baptiste expands the world
manic nebula
na noway
limpid agate
Baptiste is not random bullshit with no relation to anything
limpid agate
Aisaka Taiga from Toradora
manic nebula
thanks
paper ocean
Are Chunky boi, and skinny explosion, dating?
merry mason
Honestly when characters like kiriko or LW come in like “I was super important to these characters the whole time and they never mentioned me!” Is much worse than someone coming from somewhere that simply hasn’t been mentioned yet.
quick grail
well lw and kiriko are not super important, lw is a dude sym know and for some reason its a criminal, and kiriko was the daughter of hanzo and genji master, which may be important for them but not for the big scope of things
kiriko is doing her business in japan and thats it
paper ocean
Did Kiriko know that the Shimadas were part of OW?
quick grail
only genji, and maybe?
merry mason
Probably not since not even Hanzo knew
quick grail
but genji have good reasons to not tell hanzo, to kiriko they are in good terms
paper ocean
So then why the hell did she join? When she said the Kanazaka, was under HER protection. She can't do much if she's not there
quick grail
now that you mention, kiriko have any idea what happened between genji and hanzo? she acts in game like she doesnt
she talks with hanzo and genji like nothing of it happened
paper ocean
About Hanzo trying to kill Genji?
quick grail
yeah
paper ocean
mmm
I wonder if there are any voice lines of Hanzo and Mercy, talking about Genji, and why he tried to kill him
quick grail
no
paper ocean
I know voice lines arn't canon, but it still be intresting
merry mason
So then why the hell did she join? When she said the Kanazaka, was under HER pro...
She hasn’t canonically done that, and I thought the same thing about Dva and zarya but here we are
quick grail
voice lines arent canon but for me they count as official, like what would happen in canon if those two characters interact
paper ocean
She hasn’t canonically done that, and I thought the same thing about Dva and zar...
EXACTLY
But im pretty sure at the end of Searching, Zarya said that she was heading back, because she lost Sombra
But D.va is a traitor😭
merry mason
“I have to protect this place I’m the only one who can”
“But what about other places”
“Lmao okay let’s go”
paper ocean
Is bio-light a skill, or simply just a gadget?
merry mason
But D.va is a traitor😭
She got permission
paper ocean
“I have to protect this place I’m the only one who can”
“But what about other pl...
Who's voice line?
quick grail
but dva and zarya got a comic before ow2 where they are recruited, so when ow2 got relased they were already part of ow, not like kiriko, and nobody in ow have reasons to know kiriko, only genji, and hanzo, what is hanzo doing anyway? we know nothing about him, he is still in shock in hanamura since 2016 after knowing genji is alive
merry mason
Is bio-light a skill, or simply just a gadget?
Just me simplifying the whole Dva/zarya recruitment situation
peak escarp
they aren't going to put a child in the game
paper ocean
It was a joke😭
peak escarp
this isn't the channel for jokes
paper ocean
they aren't going to put a child in the game
Let alone, someone who's deaf
damn my bad
peak escarp
eh, being Deaf is less of a problem
quick grail
i dont want mauga because we already know he could be a potential new character for years and knowing in advace who the next hero would be is boring
peak escarp
they could work around it
quick grail
now with null sector and the anubis thing maybe a new helix member would be a good surprise
paper ocean
This is a complete long shot, but wb Aurora? As a character in the future?
quick grail
a person pharah knows with no ties to anyone like sym and lw
paper ocean
a person pharah knows with no ties to anyone like sym and lw
Her mom is Ana
quick grail
uh
paper ocean
:/
peak escarp
This is a complete long shot, but wb Aurora? As a character in the future?
Aurora is dead
paper ocean
Oh nvm then
quick grail
nobody dies in overwatch
paper ocean
0-0 bru-
quick grail
3 ex ow members granted for death are alive and all the 3 of them are illegal vigilants
paper ocean
WHERE THE FUCK DO U THINK THE CREATOR OF ECHO IS
quick grail
maybe when making ana backstory they should think a little better
paper ocean
0-0"
merry mason
We knew they were alive from the start can you think of one person that we thought was dead but wasn’t
quick grail
when the game came out we didnt know about ana
paper ocean
idk
paper ocean
when the game came out we didnt know about ana
Why are u talking about Ana?\
quick grail
why not
paper ocean
Ok
paper ocean
But still, death is a thing in the OW world
paper ocean
didnt widowmaker was taken for death too?
She was porpusly kidnapped
quick grail
didnt tracer was taken for death in the plane accidet?
rare trail
So then why the hell did she join? When she said the Kanazaka, was under HER pro...
kiri isnt in overwatch wdym?
paper ocean
kiri isnt in overwatch wdym?
Why is she in game I meant
rare trail
?
paper ocean
talking to @quick grail
merry mason
Maybe he’s hanging out in the iris with aurora
paper ocean
He's saying that people didn't die in lore
paper ocean
Maybe he’s hanging out in the iris with aurora
.
quick grail
talking to <@612361692424175691>
what?
paper ocean
Do u think Mandatta is alive?
rare trail
He's saying that people didn't die in lore
what? thats ridiculous lol
quick grail
He's saying that people didn't die in lore
is a robot so was never alive
paper ocean
0-0
peak escarp
We knew they were alive from the start can you think of one person that we thoug...
Genji
honest spear
because Kiriko uses it as a child, with no visible emitters or possible source f...
it was the Omnics tricking her duh
quick grail
did you really took so literally the "nobody dies" thing i say?
paper ocean
Well ur kinda giving us excuses that people arn't dying in OW
peak escarp
when Hanzo was revealed in 2014, Genji was mentioned in Hanzo's backstory as the brother he killed
paper ocean
when Hanzo was revealed in 2014, Genji was mentioned in Hanzo's backstory as the...
air quotes killed
peak escarp
then in 2015, Genji was revealed as a hero
quick grail
and i was talking about the playable characters, a lot of them have backstories of being death but not really
paper ocean
and i was talking about the playable characters, a lot of them have backstories ...
Ig they dodged death
I wonder sometimes about Reaper, is he dead or is his name Reaper bc he has, somewhat, the abilities of a Reaper
merry mason
and i was talking about the playable characters, a lot of them have backstories ...
But none of them were established as being dead for years until they go “no actually their alive”
quick grail
omnics are alive
sentinent is not techichally alive
merry mason
We as an audience were never tricked
quick grail
im not saying that
rare trail
besides for genji ig? but thats like prerelease
quick grail
im not saying is a surprise they are alive, and thats the joke, nobody dies in ow, if someone is granted for death maybe they are not
merry mason
Yeah he knows
quick grail
as far as we know gerard may be alive, a grave, a funeral and people grieving is not enough proof someone is death in ow world
rare trail
yes it is
paper ocean
We all knew Tracer didn't die bc when her backstory came, it told that people thought she died, but then in the same cinematic it revealed she didn't
peak escarp
Mondatta, Dr. Harold Winston, Sojiro Shimada, Antonio Bartalotti
all characters who have died and stayed dead
paper ocean
Whos antonio?
rare trail
the guy reaper killed in retribution?
merry mason
Guy who got shot in retribution
peak escarp
the guy Reyes blasted in Retribution
paper ocean
Ah
rare trail
who is sojiro?
merry mason
Dad of shimadas
paper ocean
Harold I'm guesssing was like the father figure of WINTON
paper ocean
Did Sombra have any connections before Talon?
honest spear
imagine if there's an evil monkey that took the doctor's first name that's currently in charge of Horizon
merry mason
Did Sombra have any connections before Talon?
To the gang los muertos
honest spear
WinstYin and WinstYang
rare trail
this is winston
merry mason
Other way around tbh
paper ocean
Ohh
quick grail
sombra was trying to unmask a global conspiration about... who knows, the story never moved
quick grail
the conspiration involved every faction in ow
merry mason
That’s what we call whatever it is sombra found out about
paper ocean
but then for no reason she blackmail volskaya
she wanted "a friend"
quick grail
since sombra relase ow have to problem of expanding the lore too much for it own good, i bet nobody remember sombra conspiracy
not the developers or writers
merry mason
Maybe sombras just crazy
honest spear
Who is "the Eye"
The Iris, it's a religion that the omnics believe. Connected to the reason Omnics are as smart as humans. They all know about this mystery and call it the Iris. It gives Zenyatta and Ramattra power. The first omnic, Aurora, maybe created the Iris? It's unclear but the Iris appeared when she freed the omnics during the war
paper ocean
She said she'll find out who runs the world. Maybe that's why she went for Katya, because she called her the most powerful women in Russia
paper ocean
The Iris, it's a religion that the omnics believe. Connected to the reason Omnic...
The Eye, and The Iris? A possible connection maybe
honest spear
Oh I thought u were just mistranslating my b
quick grail
Maybe sombras just crazy
this could be a good plot twist and at the same time a lazy way for writters to erase that plot point, there was no conspiracy, just sombra was crazy
paper ocean
She said she'll find out who runs the world. Maybe that's why she went for Katya...
And considering Russia is pretty big, she could possibly run, PARTS of the world
warped oyster
Tell them to bring out the lobster
paper ocean
this could be a good plot twist and at the same time a lazy way for writters to ...
Why would Sombra be crazy?
honest spear
What would Sombra do if you jacked her into a Sandevistan from Cyberpunk
shed apagando the fuck out of some luces
paper ocean
lol
Sigma makes no sense...
He is a innocent scientist trying to figure out gravity and BAM an accident, and then becomes Sigma
like idk about yall, but that's kinda a goofy origin
honest spear
from the short it seems like if he ever got his sanity back he would quit talon, like he's gone Dr. Manhattan mode where he's disconnected from time
paper ocean
Is he the blue naked dude?
honest spear
yes lol
honest spear
Sombra is the only one who even tries to be nice to him
paper ocean
Why did Talon want people like, Sombra, Baptiste, or Sigma. They took Widowmaker, for an assasination, and then she wanted more, but why the others?
honest spear
Moira probably joined to experiment on everyone else
honest spear
he's trying to fulfill the original doomfist legacy and create a world defined by conflict
only the strong survive type of thing
I think he's the founder but idk
peak escarp
Sigma was stolen out of a government facility by Talon, and is kept in a lab to continue his research
ruby ridge
Moira probably joined to experiment on everyone else
Moira joined because talon funds hee
Sombra joins for information
Reaper and widow is there because they don’t have anywhere else to go
paper ocean
I thought Widow chose to be there bc she liked killing
ruby ridge
I would argue Lifeweaver has no relation to anything.
Symettra and the collective + Atlantic Arcology
peak escarp
I thought Widow chose to be there bc she liked killing
both are correct
paper ocean
Ah
ruby ridge
Honestly when characters like kiriko or LW come in like “I was super important t...
Characters start somewhere, and lw wasent super important to symanywya
They’re friend
rare trail
The Iris, it's a religion that the omnics believe. Connected to the reason Omnic...
the iris isnt a religion, shambali is a religion, the iris is like a state of being that aurora ascended to which gave all omnics sentience
ruby ridge
The iris is kinda like heaven but for omnics if I remember correctly yes?
distant raft
The iris is kinda like heaven but for omnics if I remember correctly yes?
More like the equivalent of reaching Nirvana I'd say
void vale
how strong is zen really?
like based off lore with his training
does he have any combat training or is he just a full on monk
hushed jetty
prettt sure he's just a monk
opaque tundra
Ramattra taught him how to fight so he at least has some self defense capabilities
shell elk
Its doomfist broken again?
rare trail
it kinda feels like theyre making ramattra like kick puppies in mind controlling omnics to convince you hes the bad guy
merry mason
Or maybe he is a bad guy
Did you consider that
Was the invading cities not enough proof
hidden dust
im just wondering why u read my messages but dont like me
mental venture
so, question, has illari lore ever been "released", like does she fit anywhere in the story or is that unknown for the time?
wise badger
so, question, has illari lore ever been "released", like does she fit anywhere i...
Her Origin Story is all we have.
Seems like her abilities are in that gray “technomagic” area that Kiriko, Genji, Hanzo, and Zenyatta’s abilities are.
hushed jetty
it kinda feels like theyre making ramattra like kick puppies in mind controlling...
i mean in his short story he made it clear that he wanted to liberate omnicd evrn if they "didnt deserve it" or if they didnt support him
so i dont think he was ever above mind control
im more surprised he doesnt see that he's literally Anubis 2
ruby ridge
how strong is zen really?
like based off lore with his training
does he have any...
He’s weak
He’s basically just a Omnic monk
gentle plover
Y'all think I could beat the shit outa mei?
wild sorrel
NO
rare trail
probably
she has very little combat experience
depends if she has her ice gun though
paper ocean
Mei is pretty badass, lot of people underestimate her. She may not be as smart, combat wise, but she is very smart in general
And her gun can destroy u
🙂
spare fox
Mei's got that "little sister" thing going on too where if anyone goes after her she's got a whole team of bros to beat them up lol
azure hollow
reinheardt 👍
peak escarp
Y'all think I could beat the shit outa mei?
you probably could, she's not much of a fighter... but why?
hidden dust
can someone help c
sad
i go outside
and im the only person here
where did you go?
where am i?
gentle plover
you probably could, she's not much of a fighter... but *why?*
Why is a silly question
bleak shell
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peak escarp
Mei is a sweet girl who has never done anything to deserve such violence
hidden dust
the aliens took
i went with them
they have my bff
i need help
i landed but i was the only one on earth
where are YOU?
paper ocean
Mei is a sweet girl who has never done anything to deserve such violence
So true🥺
paper ocean
WHAT YEAR IS IT?
🤔
paper ocean
um....
hidden dust
why do you hate me?
peak escarp
@hidden duststop
paper ocean
This is lore only channel bud
twilit patrol
hidden dust
myyyyy cpuu is too hot
paper ocean
?
hidden dust
why are u scaring mee'
twilit patrol
What ??
hidden dust
WHY
rare trail
theres a good chance you'll get muted if you continue
paper ocean
❤️
gentle plover
I think mei needs to experience the reality of life and war
paper ocean
0-o"
bleak shell
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paper ocean
I think mei needs to experience the reality of life and war
Why yall want mei to suffer
hidden dust
WHERE AM I
twilit patrol
paper ocean
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gentle plover
Why yall want mei to suffer
It's character development
hidden dust
I CAN GO OUTSIDE INTO A ROW OF HOUSES AND SCREAM AND NO ONE WILL HEAR A TINY NOISE
paper ocean
It's character development
👍
rare trail
mei is fighting null sector so she kinda is
paper ocean
Buddy, prob has Schizofrenea, or whatever
hidden dust
I AM A WHISOPER NOW>>>>?????? WHERE IS MY TEAMMM>?>>> WHERE IS MY TERAM>?>???? AHWAHEHTJMAO:L WHeRe?????
paper ocean
didn't her whole crew die
paper ocean
Okay
rare trail
i like the more unique parts of mei with like her ice building stuff i like that theyre leaning into that
paper ocean
Where did Ashe find B.O.B
rare trail
he was her butler right?
peak escarp
yes
paper ocean
yup
peak escarp
her family probably bought him
rare trail
so he like just got bought i assume?
peak escarp
before the crisis
paper ocean
oh
paper ocean
She could be a future hero?
peak escarp
maybe
paper ocean
(playable)?
peak escarp
although the community doesn't like snipers
peak escarp
people don't like one-shot abilities
paper ocean
Is Ashe, considered a sniper?
paper ocean
Yea ik
twilit patrol
people don't like one-shot abilities
Their positions are bad 
paper ocean
Widow mains actually have good positions, that's why they're so annoying to fight against, in my opinion. Because a good Widow main, always moves, so u never know where she could be
peak escarp
but anyway, I don't think Bars has much potential as a future hero
paper ocean
She's espescially lethal in like night time maps
paper ocean
but anyway, I don't think Bars has much potential as a future hero
dang
paper ocean
Where did u get that picture?
peak escarp
it was shown off at Blizzcon 2018
peak escarp
yes
paper ocean
kk
waxen viper
she doesnt oneshot though
AHA I found you 
vocal marsh
Isn’t Bars male?
I thought I heard an interaction between Cassidy and Ashe that he was male
rare trail
i hope they include ashe more in the story
maybe she gets attacked by null sector and overwatch helps or something
how old is bob? he was made by omnica not anubis right?
peak escarp
I thought I heard an interaction between Cassidy and Ashe that he was male
that interaction uses "she" for Bars
Ashe: She's not going to miss if you come 'round again.```Oh
gentle plover
Canonically who is strongest
hushed jetty
Canonically who is strongest
i swear to god, if i had a nickel
copper flume
Canonically who is strongest
Lucio
peak escarp
Zarya
mellow stratus
Reinhardt
peak escarp
?
twilit patrol
Lucio negs
copper flume
Negates
peak escarp
negates what?
mellow stratus
This guy is crazy
copper flume
The big buff Russian woman
peak escarp
they asked who was strongest, Zarya is the strongest woman in the world
copper flume
Lucio fucks her up ngl
mellow stratus
What ?
mellow stratus
😐
copper flume
Good talk
rose fossil
Canonically who is strongest
Torbjorn mega turret
young lily
Canonically who is strongest
Physically doom, powers wise sigma
gentle plover
Dooms power level is around 300
limpid agate
Physically doom, powers wise sigma
If you want to talk about physical power
Winston and Orisa are physically stronger
If you want to talk about strongest in terms of overall combat
The strongest hero is one of Winston, Orisa, Sigma, Symmetra, or Illari
Illari is a mystery but Solar Energy and her debut explosion paint a good enough picture to make her a contender
gentle plover
What if it's night time
rare trail
the torb mega turret is in ironclad pve mission i believe
gentle plover
But...
quartz vigil
the torb mega turret is in ironclad pve mission i believe
W 😫
golden oak
What is the relationship between Katya and Zarya
twilit patrol
Who's Katya
bleak shell
Who's Katya
Katya Volskaya the CEO of Volskaya Industries. She holds great political and social influence within Russia, and is regarded as a hero by the Russian people.
twilit patrol
Oh it's the woman from the cinematic
bleak shell
Oh it's the woman from the cinematic
Yep, that's her.
junior trout
is there a doc or some sort of timeline of all the overwatch lore? i know the basics but its actually interesting id like to find more
nvmmm pins werent loading but they are now 😓 mb
rare trail
is there a doc or some sort of timeline of all the overwatch lore? i know the ba...
yes in the pins
worthy rose
I wonder if widowmaker will be killed off?
peak escarp
it's unlikely that any heroes will die
twilit patrol
There’s no reason to kill off Widow
pallid light
I wonder if widowmaker will be killed off?
i highly doubt they'd kill anybody
worthy rose
@pallid light I dunno they did good killing my hopes this year
worthy rose
it's unlikely that any heroes will die
Moira hopefully i can’t stand her
woven jewel
If anyone, they'd kill one of the older members
Rein, Ana, 76, etc
Like a dramatic passing of the torch, or a redemption for 76/Ana or closing to their arc
Maybe Reaper redemption
I could see a bad guy giving their life for the good guys' cause as a dying redemption
past copper
This is blizzard we’re talking about. If they kill a hero they have to remove them from play
They won’t do it
That’s kinda the point why all the playable heroes are alive
peak escarp
they already said that if a hero was killed off in the story, they would remain playable
past copper
True, but still. It’s Blizzard. Like the game and all and enjoy the direction it’s going
But really, they seem to change what they’ve said in the past as of late
peak escarp
what do you mean by "it's Blizzard"
past copper
I’m just saying, sometimes Blizzard makes to progress Overwatch. I’m not gone bring up the whole thing about hero missions or whatever people have complained about over the months
But stuff like that has happened before for one reason or another
peak escarp
sure they change their minds sometimes, but they also follow through sometimes
it's not consistently one or the other
past copper
Still. I’d like to think Blizzard wouldn’t just up and kill off any heroes. Even for the story
peak escarp
no probably not
past copper
But you never know. Personally speaking, I’d think it would add an even better level of story telling if a hero were to sacrifice themself for their comrades
But I just don’t see Blizzard doing that. At least not unless it ended the war against Null Sector or something
peak escarp
if anyone, it'll be Bastion and he'll get rebuilt
past copper
Hmm. Wonder if Zenyatta has gotten so close to the Iris could he potentially bring about another Awakening like Aurora
peak escarp
probably not
past copper
Maybe. That would be an interesting way to stop the war and maybe make Ramattra see the error of his ways
His brother sacrifices himself to bring peace to the world to stop the conflict HE created
waxen kelp
peak escarp
a lot of people talk about lore
noble adder
i like lore
twilit patrol
But you never know. Personally speaking, I’d think it would add an even better l...
If the characters can die, I think there'll only be one.
Not even 2
twilit patrol
I can only see Rein dying, no reason for the rest.
limpid agate
They're not gonna kill off any heroes
If someone sacrifices themselves, itll be an NPC
mellow stratus
They're not gonna kill off any heroes
They said that before ?
limpid agate
Of course they didnt say that
They also can't say "We are never bringing Pink Mercy back"
They can only say things close to it
"We currently have no plans to bring Pink Mercy back"
mellow stratus
I see the difference
golden oak
Who’s the guy in the car of Hollywood payload
rare trail
onyx flax
when is illari playable in ranked?
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golden oak
Is he relevant
merry mason
Not outside of Hollywood
woven jewel
There's a decent summary under Missions and communications with Echo's timeline, though it doesn't give much info other than bare basics
In-game
rare trail
ok so this girl liao creats robots called omnics that are like butlers and stuff
then this god ai anubis takes all of them over, makes some new battle omnics and goes to war against the humans
overwatch is formed to fight against the omnics but theyre losing
liao creates a new robot called aurora who is sentient
aurora sacrifices herself and transcends into the iris which gives all other omnics sentience and basically ends the war because most omnics stop fighting
woven jewel
^ I call this OG Overwatch, has Reinhardt, Torbjorn, Soldier 76, Reaper, and Ana
rare trail
overwatch stays around and forms a super secret more shady group called blackwatch
blackwatch kills someone they get found out and overwatch gets dissolved and made illegal
winston recalls overwatch
woven jewel
^ I call this OG Overwatch, has Reinhardt, Torbjorn, Soldier 76, Reaper, and Ana
Back then 76 was Jack Morrison, Reaper was Gabriel Reyes
rare trail
talon is also kicking around and they like wanna do a big war to make humanity evolve or smth
and null sector is made because ramattra (an omnic) wants equal rights so he does a little terrorism
woven jewel
overwatch stays around and forms a super secret more shady group called blackwat...
The same era where blackwatch was made was when the Golden Age of overwatch was, and Mercy, Tracer, Winston, and Genji where recruited then. Genji was initially with blackwatch along Gabriel Reyes (Reaper), Cassidy, and Moira
woven jewel
Sojourn was recruited in golden age, too
But she worked with them in the og days as a Canadian Commander
After blackwatch was discovered, Moira left OW
An attack happens at HQ that presumably killed Morrison and Reyes
Widowmaker from Talon presumably kills Ana (only got her eye)
Sojourn is the next-in line commander and agrees to shut down overwatch
Or testifies against it or somthn
Once Null Sector's attacks (Ramattra's group) becomes more prevalent, Winston hopes a recall would be seen as necessary
Doomfist at one point takes over Talon, Reaper and Moira join Talon
Sombra kinda trolling everywhere but is officially part of Talon, though she's helped Cassidy recently by getting Echo's key (Used by Cassidy in his cinematic)
Tracer has been a vigilante in London
76 comes back to look for reaper, Ana is doing secret missions of her own, they meet each other, and agree to look for Reaper
Cassidy goes to recruit new people: Zarya, D.Va, Pharah, Baptiste, and recruits them for new Overwatch
He knows Ana and 76 are alive, and even has Ana convince Pharah to join
Then the PvE missions unfold
Other details are not as Overwatch related (Zenyatta being Genji's master, Ramattra and Zen are monastery brothers, Mondatta was their leader, Ashe is the leader of Cassidy's old gang, Shimada Family and Friends, Volskaya Industries, Korean Mekkas, EcoWatch [Mei], etc)
Also Mei joins new OW after surviving cryo-freeze accident in Anarctica
Also check pins
quick grail
didnt blizzard said they were going to relase a timeline or a codex or something to explain better the lore or i got gaslighted by them?
woven jewel
There's a timeline under Missions in one of Winston's messages from Echo
Though it's very simple
quick grail
of course, why i expected more?
peak escarp
didnt blizzard said they were going to relase a timeline or a codex or something...
they're releasing a book called Overwatch: Declassified later this year that will contain a timeline and lore codex
quick grail
so i have to pay for what they promised in the road map of season 7? why im surprised?
will not be on the gamae but external sources
why i cant post images
rare trail
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peak escarp
it is in the game - it's part of the Story Missions
and other things on that roadmap aren't free either
quick grail
i have to pay for sombra rework?
quick grail
you mean archives events
well whatever, why i expect anything? the timeline would be worst than the one on the overwatch wiki, they will not explain anything we dont know already or just confirm some fan interpretations, they will not even ad the ages of kiriko, junker queen
rare trail
we dont have confirmed ages for kiri and jq
er i think we know kiri is 24? or 27 after the timeskip? but jq is just a guess
peak escarp
the one on the wiki is made by the community, of course it's going to be bad
and no, I don't mean Archives events
I mean the Story Missions that started in season 6
quick grail
wich are nothing more than archives missions with nothing extra
quick grail
the one on the wiki is made by the community, of course it's going to be bad
im saying the wiki is better, because is made by gans is made with love, they have every info of the game, if there is an error or a contradiction is blizzards fault. like why we dont know the ages of the ow2 characters? is just an age, they dont have to think much about it right? or maye they have, kiriko act like a teenager but should be around the same age of pharah
and i think asking the birthdays of the characters would be too much
peak escarp
wich are nothing more than archives missions with nothing extra
have you even played them?
Kiriko is not the same age as Pharah
rare trail
we know the ages of most of the characters
peak escarp
Kiriko is in her early 20s, Pharah is 32
peak escarp
we have approximate ages for most of the heroes
rare trail
ow2 ages is that +3years?
peak escarp
I posted the wrong one
this one is more up to date, although I don't have Illari
the devs said she was the youngest hero they've added so far in OW2, so she would be around 20
rare trail
do we know the timeskip between ow1 and 2?
peak escarp
3 years apparently
rare trail
that seems really long
peak escarp
well the timeline in the lore codex added 3 years to some known dates, like when Uprising happened
Uprising is listed as 10 years ago, when it was only 7 years ago before
rare trail
i thought the crisis happened longer ago
peak escarp
it was always ~30 years ago
quick grail
Kiriko is not the same age as Pharah
in the kiriko origin story or in some piece of official media hanzo and genji were young kids training and you can see kiriko was there too, she was younger but how many years of difference? if genji was around 10 or 12 kiriko should be like 5
peak escarp
yes
quick grail
have you even played them?
not going to waste my money, already saw them on youtube, is the same as the free pve mission but a little longer
peak escarp
you must not remember Archives very well then
rare trail
is zen one of the founders of shambali?
peak escarp
the Story Missions are much better
peak escarp
is zen one of the founders of shambali?
no
well actually
let me correct myself
the Toronto mission is much better than Archives
quick grail
is literally the same thing, two cutscenes, fighting mindless bots, push a payload, survive a horde of enemies, interactions in game, thats everything
peak escarp
the other ones are about the same
quick grail
if you canpost the image i was talking about, genji, hanzo and kiriko as kids training, the age gap wasnt much
rare trail
yeah me too
quick grail
or bigger, we will never know, there is no concrete timeline
peak escarp
and Genji is 16, Hanzo is 19
quick grail
you dont know, you are assuming
peak escarp
I'm saying that's what they look like to me
rare trail
if kiri is 5 thats how old they would be
peak escarp
art is subjective
rare trail
or based on the sojiro thing
quick grail
is the same problem with pharah and mercy, they only have a 5 year gap but in the ana origin video pharah looks like 10 and mercy looks like 20 something
rare trail
genji is 11 years older and hanzo is 14 years older
peak escarp
rare trail
pre vs post puberty i think
quick grail
mcree is 17 and already have beard
peak escarp
Mercy is a student visiting from university
rare trail
mcree is 17 and already have beard
he doesnt really have much of a beard there
quick grail
it have much for a 17 years old teenager
peak escarp
Reinhardt is also massive
like I said, art is subjective
here's how another artist drew him at age 15
quick grail
this isnt about art style but the canon ages, kiriko cant be too much younger compared to genji
peak escarp
and him again around 17
quick grail
in that cover mcree actually looks like 15 years old guy
peak escarp
this isnt about art style but the canon ages, kiriko cant be too much younger co...
why not?
quick grail
im assuming like you
peak escarp
well then you can't get mad at Blizzard over something you assumed
rare trail
this isnt about art style but the canon ages, kiriko cant be too much younger co...
why?
peak escarp
the wiki gets so many things wrong
quick grail
i can get mad for not giving concrete answers, why its so complicated to give an age to kiriko or junker queen? sojourn there is no much mystery, should be close to soldier age, illari its so disconnected to the lore her age doesnt matter for now, ramatta is a robot so he is like 10 or something
peak escarp
I should make an account and fix them
rare trail
ramattra is 30
peak escarp
Ramattra was built during the crisis - he's around 28
rare trail
oh yeah 28 mb
rare trail
i can get mad for not giving concrete answers, why its so complicated to give an...
its not that complicated, early 20s and mid 30s
quick grail
then why dont give a concrete answer?
peak escarp
because they're putting the concrete answers in the book that comes out in November
quick grail
now we have to buy basic info of the characters
peak escarp
there has to be some incentive towards buying it (even though all that info will be on the internet before the end of the day)
not the first time lore has been paid for
there's 3 novels
quick grail
novels, original stories, not basic information
peak escarp
well clearly you won't have to pay for anything
you'll just have to wait for someone else to pay for it and put it on the wiki
quick grail
i have searched the novels on the internet they are ont avalible, nobody bothers to upload them
peak escarp
no but the details of the story are on the wiki
void vale
is the sheildmaiden skin for brig a reference to aloy?
peak escarp
Orisa was the first one
lavish vessel
Hero of NUMBANI right??
peak escarp
Hero of Numbani
lavish vessel
Idk why mine turned into caps 
ruby ridge
Hero of Numbani
I see
It’s a shame they don’t put this into ow media after like a month
rare trail
what is "this"?
peak escarp
they're not going to upload an entire novel for free
quick grail
they're releasing a book called Overwatch: Declassified later this year that wil...
jeje, they even delayed the novel, was going ot be relased in july, small indie company... wait a minute, 50 DOLLARS FOR THE DIGITAL VERSION, 70 FOR THE HARD COVER? better this thing have like 1000 pages at full color
peak escarp
are you here just to complain?
zenith mango
will that book have the hanzo thing
peak escarp
no that's the short story collection
quick grail
are you here just to complain?
i would love to not but blizzard dont stop giving me reasons, i love to discuss the lore, we were doing that before
desert valve
worthy rose
My initial idea is Reaper
limpid agate
It is Reaper
desert valve
that was my inital thought but making sure thank you
past copper
A dumb idea, but imagine if that was Ramattra’s master plan
Turning humans into omnics
golden oak
Skins aren’t canon, those are just “what if”
lavish vessel
I’m pretty sure the Ana one is, cos of the description that can be seen in hero gallery and she’s also deployed in underworld
desert valve
would be sick to fight them
vapid tusk
what would a Genji omnic look like
golden oak
I’m pretty sure the Ana one is, cos of the description that can be seen in hero ...
Underworld mission isn’t canon
golden oak
oh lmao nevermind then
Yeah, you won’t get to that part if you play on legendary, sadly
zenith mango
Underworld mission isn’t canon
im pretty sure they are, just the heroes you play as arent canon
at least the whats lore warlord told me and their word is law
sudden seal
Anyobdy else enjoying how the short films they've made are now coming together?
Also I've heard there's mangas or comics for overwatch origin stories. Where could I find them?
nvm found them lol
golden oak
im pretty sure they are, just the heroes you play as arent canon
Then Why would enemies be canon
woven jewel
The units, chars, and place are real, but the events and combination of them aren't
Something does happen underground with Tracer and Izzy (I think?) in the comics but it's not this
peak escarp
the scenario is set in canon, but the actual mission (and which heroes participated) is not
past copper
There does seem to be a lore challenge to it tho, but I’m not sure how that works
My best guess is key points around the map that reference the Uprising
peak escarp
correct
past copper
That’s cool. It’s like the challenge they had in last year’s Halloween event
gentle plover
Does overwatch come with health insurance?
woven jewel
Probably
Not anymore tho
They did have unlimited resources according to Sojourn
Also Mercy can just beam you
quick grail
Does overwatch come with health insurance?
no, with what happened to ana considering how important she was pharah should be rich with the life insurance. but then ana is an international criminal, so maybe she is wanted for insurance fraud
shadow marsh
I wonder if the A-7000 Wargod Unit is canon or not
mild sinew
If it is, we’re in store for some juicy lore based off of her unique voice lines
Then again, said voice lines might also be from the corrupted memories, and has nothing to actually do with the lore
ruby ridge
I wonder if the A-7000 Wargod Unit is canon or not
I think it is
It has the skin description
Shows up in underworld
Also underworld is canon, but I’m pretty sure the heroes canonically are just tracer and Winston alone
golden oak
It has the skin description
Well guess what, Halloween skins also have skin descriptions
And pretty sure every mythic has it, no?
ruby ridge
And pretty sure every mythic has it, no?
Nope
Sigma Dosent
Others don’t have either
Just Ana
golden oak
Well still, I doubt we’re getting null sector Ana in the lore
ruby ridge
I don’t think she’ll be important in lore at all, just like something that happened
golden oak
Just Ana
Maybe they just started adding them with Ana who knows, season 6 so far was the one they put the most work in so far
ruby ridge
Even in a lore point I’m surprised why theyd copy Ana, how would they have access to her memory file?
golden oak
Besides, Ramattra is disgusted by Echo mimicking humans
I know voice lines aren’t canon but I gives us insight of how the characters would view different things
limpid agate
He's not disgusted by her mimicking humans
Ramattra: Are you satisfied following humans around like an observant pet?
Echo: There's no shame in learning from others. Try it sometime!
That’s cos they gave their own seperate lore for junkenstein lore
golden oak
He's not disgusted by her mimicking humans
Learning is mimicking if you think about it
limpid agate
That's not the part he is annoyed by
Its the following around part
Not the observant part
He sees her acting as a pet that's playing in the humans hands
golden oak
Yeah but just saying, ram hates humans so why would he model his soldiers after famous human soldiers
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
limpid agate
Tell that to any form of espionage or tech theft in the history of mankind
Or the A-7000 Wargod
Which is rather explicitly an attempt replicate a famous human soldier
And canonically appears in Underworld
golden oak
Yeah but they didn’t say kings row mission is fully canon
limpid agate
The missions screen and lore codex treats it as if it is
golden oak
I would treat it more like junkerstein, so alt universe, spin-off kinda canon
golden oak
Did you notice how on missions screen the kings row mission is separated from the other missions?